Happy New Year!

In This Episode:

• Why Teresa sunset the live deep-dive cohorts—and how on-demand and the new Discovery Habits Toolbox better support real behavior change.

• What leaders actually need to coach interviewing, assumption testing, and core discovery habits inside their orgs.

• Why training is shifting toward ongoing, leader-supported learning (and how AI will accelerate the shift).

• Teresa’s move into paid subscriptions and why AI content doesn’t fit the classic “design once, run for years” course model.

• A sneak peek into the AI tools Teresa is building for discovery work—from interview coaching to near-ready interview snapshot generation.

• Petra’s plans for the year: community building with Product at Heart, a new product leadership email course, her Product Leadership Wheel, and workshops launching in Cairo.

• The role of conferences and retreats in staying grounded, inspired, and connected.

• How Teresa is staying on top of academic research (and why “synthetic users” aren’t ready for prime time).

• The shared challenge of evaluating vendors and conference speakers making questionable AI claims.

Key Takeaways:

• Delivery models matter. Cohorts can be great, but some skills—especially discovery habits—require ongoing reinforcement inside the organization.

• Leaders need coaching tools, not just training. Teams can’t apply discovery habits sustainably without managers who know how to guide them.

• AI is reshaping how we teach and how teams learn. But it’s also creating a need for more rigorous evaluation of claims.

• Experimentation is the theme of 2026. Whether it’s AI workflows, new product formats, or rethinking GTM for teaching tools, both Petra and Teresa are leaning into exploration.

• Community still energizes. Conferences, workshops, and shared learning environments continue to play a key role—even for seasoned leaders.

Resources & Links:

• Follow Teresa Torres: ProductTalk.org

• Follow Petra Wille: Petra-Wille.com

Mentioned in the episode:

• Teresa’s website: Product Talk (producttalk.org)

• General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (gdpr-info.eu)

• Product Talk Academy (learn.producttalk.org)

• Deliberate Practice (producttalk.org/deliberate-practice-all-things…) - ATP episode where Teresa talked about the ending live cohorts for Deep Dive classes

• Teresa’s Discovery Habits Toolbox program

• Petra’s A 52-Week Transformation Journey (petra-wille.com/course-info-strong-to-exceptio…)

• Teresa’s Product Talk subscriptions (producttalk.org) (AI workflows + discovery content)

• Claude Code (claude.com/product/claude-code)

• The Interview Coach (learn.producttalk.org/course/story-based-custo…) by Teresa

• Product at Heart Conference (productatheart.com) (Hamburg)

• Petra’s Coaching Packages (petra-wille.com/coaching-packages)

• Petra’s Ways We Can Work Together (petra-wille.com/work-with-me)

• Petra’s Product Leadership Wheel (PLwheel) (petra-wille.com/plwheel)

• Petra’s Product Manager (PMwheel) (petra-wille.com/blog/the-pmwheel-a-compass-for…)

• Prdkt+ MENA Product Summit 2026 (prdkt.plus/summit26)

• World Beautiful Business Forum (houseofbeautifulbusiness.com/world-beautiful-b…) by House of Beautiful Business (houseofbeautifulbusiness.com)

• Melissa Suzuno (melissasuzuno.com)

• Vistaly (vistaly.com) (Teresa’s integration partner for some upcoming AI tools)

• Teresa’s Just Now Possible (producttalk.org/just-now-possible) podcast