Shocking Update on Philly House Of Horror! Proof of "Snuff Film"?

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Moore. I got to tell you, there are just certain cases that Brother Dave and I dig into when sometimes it feels as though that, I don't know, we've left ourselves and you wanting. One such case is... this case that has come to us out of Philadelphia and has been a big splash in the news, I felt it was necessary to get together with you folks and have a conversation about what we're looking at forensically here and maybe what the future holds in this case because I've got to tell you, this thing is multilayered and every single day it seems as though more information is disturbing information comes across my desk. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Body Bags. Brother Dave, this

thing has taken on a life of its own, which is quite tragic, you know, in the sense that the case has taken on a life of its own, but it is foundationally built on what I believe are very tragic deaths in some of the most horrific, uh, circumstances. I think that, that, uh, we could consider, and you know that here's the interesting thing, brother, we don't have definitive causes of death, but yet we see things at the scene, or we are being told about things that have been seen at the scene that, uh, would make the most resilient people out there buckle at the knees.

Because this stuff is, when they call it the house of horrors, they're not off by too much.

The scary part about this story, and we did cover this, right?

Yeah, we did.

Yeah, I thought so, just not that long ago, because it was such a horrific story. And this is an update. And the reason we're doing the update is because when we did the initial story, there was a lot of information that And some of it was factual, some of it wasn't. So we were very careful with what we put out. And it's only been in the last few weeks that it's come into focus as to what was taking place in the house. It's called the Philly House of Horrors. It's an area in Philadelphia in Olney. Isn't that what it's called? Olney.

Yeah.

I've been corrected several times on how we say things.

And Philadelphians are very particular about.

The way they pronounce things.

And we appreciate you.

Yeah, we do.

We really do.

It's just we're not from there. And it's kind of like here and where we are. Every city, every town has some unique name that is not pronounced the way it looks. And Philadelphia seems to have more of those. And it's not out of disrespect that we do it. But we have dealt with a number of stories out of Philly that have been shocking. Ellen Greenwood comes to mind.

And those case that case just still horrific, you know, but this case we're dealing with missing women and snuff films. A snuff film is a film of a murder that is sold to satisfy the prurient interest of somebody who gets their jollies by watching such a thing. some people will say they don't really exist. That's, that's just a, that's some kind of urban myth. Yeah. Urban legend type thing.

Hey, let me interject right here real quick. I got to tell you, brother, you probably wouldn't be because you know me and we know each other so well, but I cannot tell you over the years, how many people have come up to me and ask me this question. Are snuff films real? Now I don't know if I look like a snuff film producer or, Or I think that the idea is, do you have any evidence that you've worked cases where people have used a human being, a living human being, as essentially a prop in order to sell something to a group of people that are involved in what I would describe as, well, I'd say it's necrophilia, but necrophiles are individuals that engage in, um, in sexual activity with the dead that this, this snuff film,

you say, well, yeah, you got necrophilia, but let me tell you something that's worse than that. Oh my gosh. You know, where are you going to go with this Morgan? Well, the part of it is, um, apparently allegedly people like to see the life drained out of somebody because it excites them. Just, um, just imagine, uh, what a, What a base kind of, I don't know, worldview that is, you know, when you can objectify another human being like that.

Dying.

Yeah.

Being murdered.

Yeah.

And by the way, not just being murdered, but being murdered on camera. It's planned ahead of time. So there's a lot that goes into a snuff film. There was an idea that Berkowitz, the son of Sam Killings, that at least one of those was for a snuff film.

Yeah, I've heard that before. Yeah.

But in this case, we are dealing with a pornographer named Raymond Horsch and his son, Eugene. Raymond died a couple of years ago, and even on his deathbed, he was directing pornography shoots, okay, and was getting his jollies, according to one of the women who was... the subject matter that was being filmed photographed that he was getting his that he was excited while he directed he's you know 81 dying and he's that's who we're dealing with Raymond and Eugene now Raymond is dead the only reason we know of the story is his son Eugene who was caught as we covered in our first episode back in June where he was arguing with a woman and in a car and they were seen arguing. I believe the term was, you're going to hurt me. That was

what the woman was saying to Eugene inside the BMW, and it was a park ranger. It was right there in Philadelphia where they have a number of historically significant things, and in this case, park ranger was covering this area. He heard that you're going to hurt me, got involved in it, and that is what blew the lid off this case. We didn't ever. It was not the first time the residents had been in the police eyeline, okay?

But this is where Eugene Horsch, the son of Raymond Horsch, was actually arrested. It's where the current charges come from. The woman in the car had the ID of somebody who was missing. And that was what really began this where we are now. So far, we've got seven missing and or dead women attached to this one address. And when police began their investigation, if you remember, this house had multiple levels. And in the bottom, I was going to say the basement, but there is in this house, there is the first room, you know, when you walk into it like the living room, right? Well, upstairs is a dungeon. Not only when we think of dungeon, we think downstairs, but in this house, the dungeon is a set for taking film and pictures, and it's upstairs. Downstairs

in the basement is where barrels were found, and it appeared that somebody in the horse home had tied pipes into possibly the sewage drainings. And we have chemicals that are found. The chemicals could be used to disintegrate.

Render.

Yeah.

A human being into sludge.

Yeah. And that's, you know, that's really a disturbing thing. If you go back to horses' writings.

Oh, goodness.

He, you know, he had. written these kind of fantastical books. I think one in one book, he identifies himself as a, and I'm going to get this wrong. I know a sympathetic serial killer, um, you know, which is this weird turn, you know, um, here's the thing about it is that he alludes or has alluded at least at some point in time to using the substance, a lie, L Y E. Now, um, lies got a long history. in humankind. I mean, we've used it for years and years. My granny actually used lye soap. Okay.

That was what granny on the Beverly Hillbillies talked about. Lye soap. Yeah.

Because it was something that rural people in particular, and it was not just limited to the rural people. It's been used in all manner of things. It's actually still used in cooking, like pretzels, for instance.

What? Wait a minute.

Yeah, tortillas. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. But what they could produce it out of was ashes. And so if you have ashes, you can begin with this process of creating– creating sodium hydroxide is what it comes down to. And so it's at the opposite end of the spectrum from an acid, okay? So it comes in like a powder form. Acid, if you think about like hydrochloric acid, acid is what's referred to as it's in an aqueous state, just like water, okay? So if you use acid, hydrochloric acid, for instance, is used as a drain cleaner, It'll break down organics in there, has to be stored in plastic, those sorts of things. Lies at the other end of the spectrum, and it can, in fact, be utilized for the same purpose. So that's the big

conundrum here. And here's something interesting, Dave, from an investigative standpoint. I don't know if it makes any difference or not, but I got to tell you, I am not I am not going to, my eye is not going to necessarily be drawn to somebody that's going out to purchase lye. Okay. If you're buying acid, that really puts you on the radar, right?

Because lye has got so much utility. And number one is like a drain cleaner, because what it does is if you've got anything stuck in your drain, all that is required is to do the application of lye, and it begins at a molecular level to break down the fats. And so it literally dissolves things. So if you've got like grease, you've got, I don't know, you've trimmed off a steak, for instance, and it's gone into your drain, even hair, all this stuff, it will, and if you particularly, if you add water to it, it gives off a tremendous amount of heat. I mean, because you can be burned.

You can have lye burns. And this is something that, yeah, my granny, it's weird. I reflect back at this stage of my life, but I think about my grandmother in rural North Louisiana, and she talked about this.

I'm looking this up, and you can buy it.

I never thought that in my wildest dreams I'd be kind of revisiting this.

While we're talking, I'm looking it up online. Where could I buy lye? And it's right here. It's all... There are 10 places within five minutes of me that I can go to Amazon. Oh, yeah, yeah.

There's a physical location. There's any number of physical– but you can go out and you can buy acid as well. I just– I find it– if this is a substance that this individual was using, okay, I'm thinking about, well, how did he land on this to decide this is what he wanted to use? I'm referring to our seahorse right now. How did he land on this? When did he begin to formulate this in his mind? If, in fact, there are bodies that were, in fact, rendered with the substance.

So how did he get to that point? At what point in time along this twisted journey, if we are to believe everything that has been put out, and right now it's getting really, really dark, Um, I, you know, I, yeah, I'm, I'm thinking, you know, so why'd you go, why'd you go with a lie instead of going with hydrochloric acid here? Um, I don't know. I'm just, you know, inquiring minds want to know, I want to try to understand this. And then I think after the fact, cause this guy's, you know, dead as Julius Caesar now. So you can't go back and, you know, drag him up out of the grave and shake him, you know, what happened, that sort of thing.

So investigators are now left with these huge questions about all of the remnant that was down there in that basement. And Brother Dave, I got to tell you, right now, I have a lot of questions, but I also have a lot of suspicions as well. Music All right, so we've got this connected VAT system that's down there. It's the only way I really know how to describe it.

And I love the fact, and I've seen this in writing, but you and I, I think we talked about it a while ago, this term sludge. And if people don't know what sludge is, if you look at it, for instance, I'll give you an example. If you've ever seen like dirty oil that has been taken out of a car, for instance, It does have kind of a sludgy appearance to it. It's very thick. The term is generally viscous.

It's more viscous than water, which implies a level. As a matter of fact, motor oil companies, they will use the term, it's got a certain kind of viscosity to it. Well, that's viscous. So you're thinking thick. It's aqueous, but it's thick. So they've got multiple containers that they have found at this location. that contain, and they're describing it as a sludge-like substance, which means that it's not just pure liquid, brother.

You've got some particulate matter in there. I think the big question is, these have been sent off to a laboratory, right, in Chicago, from what I understand. Wouldn't you hate to be the one that had to transport that from Philly to Chicago? Somebody had to do that, just keep in mind. I don't think it was sent buy a mail service.

I don't think, you know, your local postal carrier, you know. Right. Dangerous stuff. And so I'm thinking, and this is a specialized lab. Well, they've had this stuff for a while. And I got to be honest with you, just from a, they will employ, I think, everything at their disposal in order to try to break the elements of this down.

I would not be surprised even if they might use electron microscopy here, Dave, if they can take a sample of this and look at some of this particulated matter that's in there. What we're looking at first off is there has to be a chemical identity of this stuff. What's the base chemical foundation of this? Are we actually talking about sodium hydroxide here? And can you still get to that point where you can understand it? Secondly, you're having to try to determine if they're, well, first off, you would have to determine what organic substances are in there.

And what I mean by that is like any kind of tissue. All right. Do we have hair? Do we have muscle tissue? Do we have fat? Do we have skin? Well, if you do that, we can't just say based upon that, that these are human remains. Can't do that. And it stand up in court. You have to take it another step and say, okay, we have definitively arrived at this location where we know that these are human remains. Well, where do we go from there? Well, whose remains are they?

And that's one of the big problems. Even if you get to that point, how are you going to determine whose remains are they? Because, brother, I got to tell you, I think that the DNA is going to be, potentially compromised here because of the way this stuff works i'm look i'm i'm a spectator here too with everybody else because i gotta tell you i've never come across a case like this i've never worked a case like this i've worked cases where bodies have been rendered but not would lie and so so i'm thinking i'm just i'm spitballing here with you right now we're you know we're chatting ways me doing most of chatting but i'm kind of thinking out loud You know, because you literally, I know forensically, you have to go through all of these

stages before you can definitively identify something.

Well, the one thing that we have, okay, when investigators went inside the house, you've got to remember that they knew about R.C. Horse, the, you know, pornographer, writer, whatever, weird guy, and his son, Eugene Horse, living in the same house. So it's not like the police didn't have an idea about, that there was some stuff taking place in this home, but they didn't know to what level. Now, in the case that has broken up, we've got missing women.

And in cases, and the reason we're talking about this is because there are over a million pictures, just to give you an idea, okay? A million photos. There's hundreds of hours of video. And most of it taken right there inside the home. And in some of these pictures, they have one of these missing women who is alive while they're doing a film. And then there's another photo that appears to show this person now dead. In one particular case, Joe, R.C. Horsch is taking photos of a woman who is alive, but then she is handcuffed by horse he has two cameras one is in his hand another is a static camera on a tripod filming everything he handcuffs the woman to the bed then uses a zip tie to strangle her filming it the whole while

Until the woman appears to be dead. This is what we are told is on this one video they found. In the hundreds, thousands of hours that they've got to go through.

Can I interject something real quick? Because I've got to tell you, man. I've seen Philly cops come up to the lectern with a microphone there. And you can see it in their eyes. I'm not real big on projection like this. But they're saying things like we've– and this is Philadelphia, dude. They've seen a thing or two. You know what I'm talking about, brother? And they're saying we've never encountered this. It's almost like the gaping maw of hell they've looked into at this point in time. And I know I'm being overly dramatic.

No, you're not. You're underplaying it. Believe it or not.

And God bless them because they're having to view this stuff. They'll never get out of their brain. But they're trying to make their way through it. You know, something I'm very curious about here, because we know that the feds are deeply invested in this case. And for any number of reasons, we know that the sun has been hooked up on weapons charges. There's also dope involved. So with that said, if you think about the digital evidence and this stuff is being distributed worldwide, okay, we know that the feds certainly would have an interest in this. I'm really wondering from a forensic standpoint with these images that they have, I'm wondering if biometrics is going to come into play here with these unidentified women's faces, you know,

and what kind of database do they have to draw upon here, you know, where they can go and validate, say, a living photo of someone that is missing. My sister Susie is missing, right? Here's a photo of her At 21 years of age, you see what I'm saying? They kind of draw this thing out like they do with biometrics, and they're looking for all those markers and everything, and then you've got the horse photo. And is there a way?

You know, we talk a lot about DNA, right? And admittedly, digital forensics is not my bailiwick necessarily. I know enough to be dangerous, but I'm wondering if there is a way biometrically if they can overlie these things or overlay them. Forgive me. And actually say definitively, well, within a reasonable scientific certainty, which is what we always have to say, that's caveat, is this Susie, the missing sister. And Dave, did you say that there were a million images?

600,000 images, digital. And then. But I say that because that's just, we're still estimating. It's more than 600,000. I did say a million. I was thinking collectively from the stills and the videos. 70,000 videos. 10,000 pages of manuscripts, Joe. Writings and drawings. And just that alone is a volume that most police departments don't see over 25 years. And they've got it in one house. Now, Again, the part that really got all this fired up is you've got at least two women who appear alive in pictures and video and then appear to be dead in pictures and video.

I described one to you that they actually have this video, but they can't just start Throwing names around. You know, investigators have to... You've got to contact family and everything else. It's a daunting task. But, Joe, we talked about... In the last episode, we talked about the laboratory downstairs and what it could possibly be used for. But when you reached out this week, it was because of R.C. Horsch having a relationship with a crematorium.

Yeah.

And it's a... A funeral home, or is it a funeral home, or are they separated? Is it a crematorium? And we've got bodies and body parts being sold, Joe. And we've got R.C. Horsch is somewhere in the middle of this.

Yeah, I think they're dust up with that particular service provider, if you will. That occurred back in like 2007, 2008. And this is coming from reports that we've recently received, I guess, within the last 24 hours. that Horsch had visited this location. And I'm trying to frame this out to understand, well, if they've been shut down in any way, is the physical structure still there? I'd seen one report, I think, that they said that he had visited as recently as right before his death.

Wow. Which was in May of 2025.

We do have urns in the house that contain cremains. We've got five. Two are unidentified. You know, for all I know, they're puppy dogs. Okay, I have no idea. But they have not been able to identify those. And you've got a couple of different things that are working here regarding trying to get IDs on a variety of these items that are found within the structure that is going to make this particularly difficult. So you've got these urns.

that contain apparently cremains, which means that they have been directly subjected to fire, right? Okay. We've talked about cremains before. And just to revisit that very quickly, we've got an oven, a crematory that will burn at about 1400 to maybe 1700 degrees. It's hot, baby. And depending upon the size of the body, They're going to be left in that oven for a particular, people hate the term oven, but it's a cremation device. They're going to be left within there as long as it takes to render the body down.

And many times that'll take a couple of hours, okay? So what are you going to have at the end of that? Well, after the body is cremated, it doesn't end there. They pass the body through an auger, which crushes anything that's left behind you know, contained within the cremains to make it powder. Now I've recovered cremains before Dave, and I got to tell you, I know they've either, I've had, they used to, they used to use opposing rolling stones. They're like heavy stone, like marble. And the remains would pass through there in these opposing stones rolling in opposite directions. And they would crush that way. They've also used augers as well. Um, To crush or pulpify, turn it into dust. Dude, I've looked through a lot

of cremains. I still see particulate bone. I've seen bits of teeth. Jewelry survives many times. Dental plates.

I got to tell you something, Joe, because when my mother was cremated and she wanted to have her ashes spread at Ocracoke Island, North Carolina, which is 20 plus miles off the coast. Anyway, we did it. And because I had only seen cremains being spread on TV, you know, and in films, I thought it was a cloud of dust, you know, that that's all it would be. And it would be this sweet moment. And what came out of the bag was not powder and sand. It was some pieces of bone and teeth that were recognizable as such.

God bless you, man.

And it broke me. I have warned people about this ever since. And granted, that was a long time ago, but because I wasn't expecting it, it was a kick in the gut that I, it took years to get over that.

Yeah, I bet it did. And, you know, and people are not prepared for that. They think that it is in a powder form. But you know, Dave, I've got to tell you, looking at that and what you have just described, therein might rest a little hope. Dark stuff, brother. Very dark stuff. You know, one of the things that that has been troubling me about this case is kind of the, cause I don't understand it. I hope that we'll see a rendering of it. Doesn't have to be photos, but just some kind of schematic of what they're talking about with this drum.

Yeah.

And I've heard it. I think I've heard it described as like a 50 gallon drum.

It's got, it's got, I've got questions. I got questions for you about this because we've got the one, we've both done this show with Nancy about the House of Horrors and I had a chance to talk with one of the victims one of the survivors and she described the house and described the smells and thankfully she only went to one floor just the opening floor in that house But when you came into that living room type area, it was set up to do photography. They got to remember, this guy is a porn photographer and videographer. And that's what that room was. Upstairs was a dungeon set. And then downstairs in the basement was this laboratory. And in that has been described a 55-gallon drum, a plastic drum,

like you would expect Johnny Roselli to be stuffed into in the golf. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there were other tubs, smaller tubs, that also contained a liquid that was like a sluggish, oily substance. Now, in that 55-gallon barrel, there was pipe going in and coming out. And, Joe, I mean, we're going to have to go there because there— we've talked around it. Look, he's dismantling these. The assumption here is that bodies were being taken apart and melted down.

And yet now we have, I can't figure out how he, they would do this. Okay. My only thing is, um, in, in, uh, the crazy TV show, um, where they actually did that, put a body in a plastic drum and put chemicals in it to melt them down to sludge, breaking bad. That's what I'm kind of picturing in my head, but you've got to have room to do that. And I'm thinking that these bodies have to be disarticulated.

Okay.

Yeah.

Good term. I like that. And that's been my question. How do you manage this? Because let's just say you have this chemical activity that is going on. We talked about sodium hydroxide, right? Right. Well, if you put the totality of an intact human remain into a barrel, okay, and you make this application of a lye, and we're just throwing it out there that it could be lye, okay, it ain't going to happen overnight. And there's also going to be fumes that come along with this. And is it aqueous? You know, because I don't, you know, you see in movies lots of times where they'll take lye, like somebody will commit a homicide. Or there's a famous scene actually in Full Metal Jacket where they have dug

a trench and there's a bunch of enemy that are dead or villagers, I think. And you can see them spreading lye on a body before they cover the thing up. That's a classic scene out of Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket.

I was thinking Fight Club.

Well, yeah, yeah, Fight Club too, but yeah, lies used to great effect, you know, in movies and whatnot, but from a practical standpoint, this is going to take some time to render a body down. You know who I would really like to consult on this and ask them this question because as much stuff as has gone on up there, I bet you dollars to donuts that the faculty and staff at UT at the body farm, they have applied lie to bodies because they do burn investigations too.

Matter of fact, there's a video, pretty infamous video out there of them actually showing how bodies contract and fire. They go into what's called the pugilistic posture. They bury bodies, put them in trunks of cars, all kinds of stuff. So I'd really like to know what kind of data set they have and trying to understand. Look, if you're going to put a, like if you have a grave that is dug and you place the body intact into a grave and you shower it with lye and then you cover it over, well, they would have to go back and measure that. And that's one of the things they do. I don't think that people understand that. They measure this. They would have to uncover it. They would have to be able to watch it. So with that said,

There have been other cases where lye applications have been used. I'm wondering if they have ever done this with human remains in, say, like a vat like this. How long does it take? What are the variabilities, the size of the individual, the temperatures, all these sorts of things that play into it? I'm keenly interested in that relative to this, and if that data exists, I can guarantee you that the FBI would have access to that data. Now, This is something, and we've got this kind of juxtaposition going on here because we've got the cremated remains that are there in the house, and then there is this term that's bouncing around right now called wet cremation.

Exactly. But before you go there, Joe, okay, the cremation or the body parts and things like that, all right, based on what I have learned from you, would there not be some type of body stuff, bone.

Oh, I see elements.

In the room, on the walls, on the ceiling.

No, that's an excellent point, brother, because if, let's just say, for instance, that you are attempting to render a body, and just for the sake of practicality, you're trying to get it to fit into a space, or you believe that with With the application of a lie or something similar to that, if you use a smaller component of a body, I'm trying to be as delicate as I can here, maybe a smaller component of the body, head, arm, hand, foot, whatever the case might be, it's going to break down faster, right? Right.

That's what I would think.

So I like what you've said here because if that rendering is going down and it involves tools, that's going to left behind– can potentially leave behind trace evidence. So you could still find things like bone dust, okay, or maybe, because it's not always dust. People think that it's dust. You know, in the morgue, we use an agitating saw, and it creates a cloud, you know, when you open the skull or, you know, these sorts of things. But if you're using a sawzall, for instance, it's going to leave chunks. And has all of that stuff been accounted for?

As horrible as that is, we're talking getting down on your hands and knees in a Tyvek suit and going inch by inch over this place. That's what they're into right now. So they're exploring this physical space where they, you know, where like the vat is and all these other little jugs. Was there another area, you know, one other component to this? By the way, I know I'm kind of jumping around, but that crematory that we were talking about, they got nailed for, selling human body parts to medical facilities to do research or whatever it was.

We've had cases that you and I, I know, have covered regarding the same thing. With that said, I think that there could be a sexual element to it because people, if they can see a body being rendered bit by bit, it's another element to this psychosexual thing that goes on in some people's... And this guy's a salesman. He's selling things that seem like they come from the pit of hell, but he is a salesman. He is serving a group of the population that wants to pay money for this stuff. And, you know, I don't know. I don't know what these communications are like. That's another part of the digital evidence as well, Dave. You know, has anybody written in and requested certain things from him?

And that's Again, now, you know, this investigation is going to go on for years, but I want to go, I want to go to something because we've got to wrap, but you were mentioning wet cremation a minute ago and I interrupted you, but talk to me about, no, I'm the one that interrupted you, not the, and I apologize, but what in the heck, cremation to me has always been a body goes into an oven and is rendered down to ash and that's it. And you, What is wet cremation?

That's a chemical reaction. And what did I say earlier about lye? Lye generates a tremendous amount of heat when it becomes aqueous. So if you apply water, if you apply water to dry lye, you better stand back. And so that's, you know... there's a couple of ways to look at it. You know, we've heard the term chemical burns for years and years. I've actually gotten acid on my skin before and it burned a little, little spot.

It's like a little droplet and it burns. I mean, it, it, it, it's painful. Okay. So if you continue to apply lye and keep it aqueous, um, you do create heat. Like if you could safely, I'm just saying, you know, because fire, we talk about fire in arson investigations, right? Fire itself, as we define fire, is an uninhibited chain reaction. Okay.

So you got to have elements, you got to have heat, you got to have oxygen, you got to have fuel. So it's uninhibited, right? As long as none of those things are disrupted, fire will go on, okay? Okay, well, you're generating heat from that. That's a product of this uninhibited chain reaction. It's the same principle that is applied to this so-called wet cremation. It's a curious term. I kind of like it from a chemistry standpoint because you are creating heat. So if you could stand back at a safe distance, brother, You could actually extend your hands like, and you could feel radiating heat coming off of this.

And dude, this is actually happening in this guy's basement. And there are the people that live around this place. All right. He's inhabiting the space with a son too. Now, I don't know what the son knows. I have no idea. Okay. But, you know, he's living in the space. I'm sure he's being pressed on all sides right now because he's this guy is the historian of record at this point. He's, he's one of these things along with all this other, these documents and everything that they're having to go through, you know, he can kind of take them on a guided tour here. But, you know, from a legal standpoint, again, not my bailiwick, but I'm just saying if people want to hold somebody criminally responsible, you can't, it's not like

Oliver Cromwell where you can go dig him up and, you know, and, charge him after the fact, okay? This guy, this guy's dead. Who are you going to charge? And how much energy, and I hate to say it this way, how much energy are prosecutors willing to expend on this? You know, you and I, we have an interest in the dead, okay? Prosecutors have an interest in prosecuting people, okay?

And you remove that element where unless they can tie the sun back to it, it's in the news right now. Okay. And I think that there will be a lot to explore. I want to see how the prosecutors deal with this in the future. Are they going to show it the same reverence or maybe not reverence, but I don't know, passion that when they have somebody to point the finger at and they say, we're going to put you on trial, how far are they willing to go with this? That's why I think this thing is kind of spider webbed out.

You got the sun And Dave, anybody that's consuming this stuff, anybody that's out there, anybody that's asking for specifics, they're going to track them down. They're going to be asking them questions. We'll see what happens. But I've got to tell you, out of all the cases that Brother Dave and I have covered, right now, forensically, this is one of the most intriguing because there are so many unanswered questions and we're kind of delving into a new area here.

particularly as it applies to this sludge that's left behind. I'm interested in seeing what the chemical analysis reveals. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Body Bags.

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