10/2/26: "BIG MISS" Jobs Report Spells Disaster For Trump, Anthropic BEGS Pope To Declare AI 'Personhood', Narco Rubio

0:00 Good morning, Breaking Point. It's Friday, October 2nd, 2026. We've got Ryan Grimm. We've got Emily Jashinsky. How are y'all doing?

0:08 Wonderful.

0:08 We're doing great. Never better.

0:10 Incredible. All right.

0:13 We've got a big show, as always. We're going to be looking into the latest job reports.

0:17 Are they good? Are they bad?

0:19 And then we're going to also be checking in Emily to church for a second. We're going to be examining the religious and personhood issues of artificial intelligence, which has been occurring in San Francisco, which Ryan, you're about to head over to. Are you going to be doing any religious analysis of Claude while you're over there in San Francisco?

0:40 I'm sure I'll ponder it.

0:41 There is actually a Bernie rally in San Francisco at 3 p.m.

0:45 On Saturday. I think I'm going to go to that.

0:47 I'll be at the Bay Area Muslim Council banquet that evening.

0:54 If anybody is there, come say hi. And then back here on Monday.

1:00 Is Bernie entering into another anti-AI rally here in San Francisco in the belly of the beast?

1:07 Is that what the plan is?

1:09 I'm sure there'll be some of that.

1:12 All right. Very, very cool.

1:14 And then, Ryan, you've got a final story of the day for us, if you want to tease that.

1:19 Yes.

1:20 Remember when we talked a couple of weeks ago about Fernando Seremedo, who was the who is the business partner of Brad Parscale, kind of like a Roger Stone, but more powerful down in Latin America. He put out a hit on his pregnant mistress. She was shot three times. She survived. He was arrested. She started spilling all of the beans of his criminal enterprises. He's now being accused of drug trafficking and all sorts of other criminal activity.

1:53 and linked to almost every kind of right-wing authoritarian government in Latin America. He's being prosecuted by the Bolivian Attorney General yesterday. The Bolivian Attorney General appears at the orders of Marco Rubio, was kidnapped basically at a press conference, and a whole bunch of his prosecutors were also arrested.

2:16 Rubio is saying that the AG is actually the drug trafficker. Now, the truth is probably that they all are. However, the idea that he was arrested for ties to narco-trafficking rather than for prosecuting this ally of Brad Parscale and MAGA World is fanciful. It came literally one day after his girlfriend released a photo of Sari Mado with Donald Trump Jr.

2:42 And I'm like, okay, that's enough. Wrap this up.

2:47 All right.

2:48 Well, much to look forward to there. Glad Rubio is getting back in the mix. He needed somebody to keep him busy. But why don't we start with Trump, our president, who made a visit rally to Oklahoma and answered the question, why.

3:03 Are you in Oklahoma? Let's take a listen.

3:11 And to be honest, you know, we do so well in Oklahoma.

3:13 We don't even have the governor's going to win.

3:15 He's going to win.

3:16 He's going to be great.

3:19 Your senator candidate is going to win. They're all going to win. And they say, why are you going to Oklahoma?

3:26 I said, you know what?

3:27 Because I won Oklahoma all three times with.

3:30 The highest vote total ever recorded in the state's history. We got the most votes ever in the state history all three times.

3:39 And we won all 77 out.

3:40 Of 77 counties. So we set every record in the book, but think of it. We won all 77, all three times. And I'm the only one to ever done it. You know who was second? Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon.

4:04 Ronald Reagan.

4:05 56. So we're at 77. So if you think I'm going to skip Oklahoma. But it is true.

4:13 And you know why I'm here?

4:15 And the sad part is I think you have 20,000 people outside the kid. Would anybody like to leave and let some of these people in?

4:24 All right.

4:24 So Ryan, back on his bullshit.

4:28 Now, is this a sign of strength for the midterms that he's in Oklahoma, a state that he has won?

4:34 Yeah, I think if Joe Biden had held a rally in Vermont, everybody would be saying real sign of strength. here for the Democrats. Yeah, Trump's in his safe space. He's in his comfort zone. I think that Republicans, if they can keep him out of anything competitive, they're happy. I don't think they're going to be able to. He's threatening that he's going to come to Iowa, Nebraska. Paxton already said that his convention in Texas torched everybody down there.

5:05 The guy has become George W. Bush, and he's the last one to realize it.

5:12 Oh, that's Well, it was like very poetic at the end. He's the last one to realize it.

5:16 Look, there are a lot of... And I'm putting this out for free.

5:20 There are a lot of people in Trump world who will say it's bad for him to not do rallies because it means he loses his touch with his own base.

5:31 So he apparently.

5:33 Picks up what gets really big applause, what doesn't get really big applause, what people seem most excited about or angry about.

5:39 And so.

5:40 Whether or not that's true, it is true that a lot of people in his circles believe that they need to get him out into rallies. Otherwise, he just listens to literally like the CEOs, the AI people. Or just Dario and Sam Altman, whomever, Greg Brockman. And he's not even getting like the whatever you call that response from this big audience in front of him. And so it wouldn't surprise me if it's also Because I don't know if there are any marquee races in Oklahoma. Ryan, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think part of it is- Probably a competitive house race. Yeah, I'm sure that's definitely true.

6:17 I mean, I think almost every state is going to have competitive house races. If the Mark Halperin analysis is correct, that behind closed doors, they really believe if you're even tied or up slightly, you're probably losing, according to Halperin. That's what a lot of Republican consultants and strategists are seeing on the ground right now, are worried about on the ground right now. But I also think some of it might be that there are, you know, there are still Bannonites who work for Trump, believe it or not, like people who are original MAGA types who have been horrified by the AI stuff and by his dismissiveness over the economy, the Iran war. And that's why many of them think he needs to be out in front of crowds.

6:57 So it might not even be about like rallying a red state election so much as it is people around him being like, please, for the.

7:04 See how big the applause line is if you mention AI or Iran. Just test it out.

7:09 Well, let's see. So he did.

7:12 And they might be wrong, too.

7:13 He did mention Iran. So let's.

7:15 All right.

7:15 So let's.

7:16 Here, let me let me play this. Let's see how let's see how the Oklahomans appreciated his Iran stuff.

7:24 Maybe they liked it.

7:25 Like the loudness meter, like in a basketball game.

7:27 Yeah.

7:29 And I'm also ensuring that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. They will never have a nuclear weapon.

7:36 Hey, there you go. Crowd loves it.

7:37 That's not good news. Crowd loves it. Let's see what he's got next.

7:45 And I stated numerous times that it would take four to six weeks to get rid of the Iran nuclear threat. And I did it in one night. That was when the B-2 bombers went in there. And they're complaining that, oh, we've been in there for six months. I've been in there for six months. I wiped out.

8:05 Hey, look, Iran has no.

8:08 Anything right now.

8:09 They want to make a deal.

8:10 Maybe we'll do it or maybe we won't, because if they're not going to hold it, let's not do it.

8:14 Let's just finish the job.

8:16 But.

8:20 Oklahomans want to finish the job.

8:22 There you go with those beautiful B-2 bombers.

8:24 They left Missouri.

8:27 They flew both ways, 37 hours. They were refueling up there. We have the greatest tankers. We have the greatest military in the world.

8:35 They went from Missouri. And then at one o'clock in the morning, with no moon, dark.

8:42 As can be, these unbelievable machines led by the most incredible pilots in the world, they unloaded every single bomb, went right down air chutes into this.

8:56 Ryan, pause it right there. He says every single bomb, and he means it. Ryan and Sagar, you spoke yesterday about the THAAD missile system and how it's virtually all gone.

9:07 And yeah, we did.

9:09 We've used every missile. So how are we going to finish the job? Are we going to slap them? Are we going to use paintball guns?

9:18 The point related to this would be, Um, we, we do still have plenty of bombs.

9:23 That we could stick into.

9:24 The beautiful B2 bombers, but this was kind of a surprise attack, uh, on a moonless night. You know, they got in, they got out. Our air superiority over Iran doesn't exist anymore. Like we, because we, we lost that F 15. We had an F 35 that got clipped. We keep losing, um, MQ nine drones. And so that has meant that we can't use these beautiful bombers. We've had to send aircraft carriers way back. The bases have been destroyed. And that means we have to then shoot off these $ 14 million tanks. Tomahawk missiles or whatever they cost.

10:03 rather than the beautiful B-2s.

10:05 Which he loves so much, he put on the Resolute desk, by the way.

10:10 So beautiful.

10:12 And so, yeah, the guy we had, we talked to Christopher Leonard yesterday, people should go watch that segment, really fascinating, about, you know, 10 years, nine years of production of THAAD missiles and ballistic missile interceptors generally have been burned through in 10 months. And Trump, Up on stage there, it doesn't seem like he's ready to wrap this up. Elsewhere he said they're going to cease to exist if they don't just make a deal. But what deal he would accept is not clear. All this could be over if we would just release their own frozen money.

10:50 It's also why I think this theory about putting Trump at rallies is so dangerous because I've never even believed it.

10:56 There are some people who will swear.

10:57 By you put him up there and he is gauging what gets more applause and less applause. But if you go to a Trump rally, like people are just applausing like crazy. They're applauding like crazy for everything. Like it's his most hardcore fans.

11:08 And who's going to a Trump rally at this point in Oklahoma?

11:10 Yeah, it's a good point.

11:11 Those hardcore fans.

11:13 Yeah, it's a good point.

11:14 It's a good point. Texas oil executives, perhaps. I'm not sure at this point.

11:19 Landman.

11:20 You got to check out Griffin's Landman sketch if you haven't yet.

11:24 And, you know, let's look at the jobs report for a second to check in on that. We got a new jobs report this morning, and it's a bit of a disappointment.

11:33 And the numbers are hitting the wires for the September job jobs report.

11:37 A bit of a disappointment.

11:39 Expecting 90,000 comes in at 29,000. And we see revisions, two-month revision down 60,000. Twenty nine thousand will be the lightest since July when it was twenty one thousand manufacturing. You may recall our last look was sixteen thousand. That was the best going all the way back to the fall of twenty twenty three. It was downgraded a bit to fifteen thousand, but that still doesn't change its historic status.

12:07 We gave a bit up.

12:09 Comes in close to expectations and up $ 9, 000. So the renaissance of manufacturing continues. Average hourly earnings, now if we take it on a month-over-month basis, this is a big miss, big, big miss. We're expecting up three-tenths. Our last look was up three-tenths. This comes in up one-tenth, and up one-tenth would actually be the lightest of the year, an equal decent of last year. Find a smaller number, you're back in April.

12:34 Of last year.

12:36 Unless you think that's just CNBC and Rick Santelli, there are already videos circulating from Fox News and Fox Business of similar crashes happening. Right.

12:47 But Trump is very excited by this, though, because this comes as there was an inflation number that was a little bit lower than expected yesterday.

12:56 And then you have the jobs number lower.

12:59 So what that does is it signals to the market that, well, maybe the Federal Reserve, instead of three interest rate hikes over the next year. Maybe there'll only be two or they'll wait a little bit longer to do one. So that's why you saw Dow futures, you know, looking at a 300 plus open because we live in this kind of sick economy where suffering is actually good for capital because it means capital. If workers are suffering, Fed is going to respond by giving capital easier access to money.

13:32 And so capital is like, cool. Like people are suffering.

13:35 Great.

13:36 Yep.

13:37 I feel like you can already see that in some of the coverage here. Now, unemployment rate has been pretty steady.

13:43 That's one thing. It didn't, there was no major jump, but the other thing.

13:47 It went to 4.2, right?

13:49 I thought it was.

13:49 Steady at 4.2. I thought it was 4.2. I could be wrong about that. But the revisions are, To the prior, I just had it up on my screen and it disappeared.

14:01 Oh, that's great. Oh, one more second. Get it back up here.

14:04 Because there were revisions, as Ryan mentioned, to the prior reports. So yeah, this is Nick Tamirios from Wall Street Journal. The three-month average hiring rate initially reported at 71,000 for August is now revised to 51,000. So that jumped down 20,000. And the three-month average hiring for September was also 51,000.

14:23 The picture is similar for private sector employment, which was plus 54,000 for September, up from a downwardly revised plus 48,000 in August.

14:34 Right.

14:34 So, yeah, combined 60,000 fewer jobs than initially reported over the past couple months, which also the market will also like. Hey, more jobless people, easier money.

14:48 Well, Trump is... laser focused on the economy and the way that he has decided to stimulate things right before the midterms is of course, another exclusive dinner, a new crypto dinner that he is offering that Jeff Stein flagged here. And I just want to share some of the details with you guys. He's hosting the most exclusive dinner for the top one hundred and eighty five purchases of his meme crypto buying one million dollars or less worth of Trump coin should get you in November 22nd. Hey, maybe we can do a little fundraiser. I'd love to. I'd love to get a little steak. But some more details on this. This is, of course. A very real image of Trump here. And some of the perks are you get VIP seating, a Trump 18K gold watch, access to

15:44 three legends that are to be named later. They don't have the legends booked yet, but they can assure you that whoever does show up, they will be legendary and you will get access to them. And of course, an evening that you will talk about forever. Um, so very, very exciting for that. Just sign also flagged, um, a little anecdote here from one of the crypto investors that went to a past dinner. This is Nick Pinto, a 26-year-old crypto investor, said he invested $ 450, 000 in the Trump meme coin and the value of his investments is down to roughly $ 50, 000. He said he was disappointed by the first dinner last year as Trump was there for no more than 20 minutes and did not take photos with the crypto holders. The steak was only five ounces and

16:32 not something you'd get at a steakhouse in New York. You wouldn't even get that at like Ruth Chris. Pinto also said that if it was an option, he could see himself voting for Trump again. He plans on attending the upcoming dinner. I hope the food is better this time. So just an incredible spring of the tunnel.

16:52 That was a great report from Jeff Stein. I mean, this is actually one of the most controversial decisions that Trump ruled. I don't think it's Trump himself, but he's agreeing to all of it. So it's his decision at the end of the day. But one of the more controversial positions his people put him in was hosting that dinner where you're paying for access, which it's one thing during a campaign. He's not on the ballot right now.

17:12 He's president of the United States. And it's not surprising from Trump. But, you know, of course, we don't want to get numb to it. So the fact that they're doing it again in the midterms shows, I think, a shamelessness in Trump's personal operation that's probably different from the political operation, which is starting to freak out. So to me, it kind of suggests they don't have good control I mean, we already know this because, you know, they're freaking out.

17:36 He's over with Zoran Mamdani as half the candidates are running against who they're trying to frame as, you know, Kansas' Zoran Mamdani or Nebraska's Zoran Mamdani.

17:45 And there's Trump, like, with Zoran Mamdani.

17:48 So obviously he doesn't, like, the political operation doesn't have a lot of control over him. But this is another example of, like, how clearly he doesn't really care about the midterms.

17:59 Or ethics, obviously, too.

18:02 Or steaks, five ounces, that's rough.

18:05 He doesn't care about the bros.

18:07 Doesn't care about the bros. How much steak do you.

18:11 Buy with $ 400, 000? In this.

18:15 Economy, you could buy, how much is a banana, Michael.

18:19 $ 10?

18:20 Even in this economy.

18:22 It is hard to have sympathy for someone that can invest half a million dollars into a meme coin. And still be, you know, in the game.

18:34 I think that guy's doing fine.

18:35 Yeah.

18:36 That's fake money to him. And literally, it is fake money.

18:39 Yeah, it's fake money to everyone. That's the good news.

18:42 It's, by definition, fake money.

18:44 Not good news.

18:45 But, yeah, Griffin, I also wanted to point out while we're talking about this, there was a great New York Times piece by the right-of-center pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson this week who found, I think, found in her work a point that we've been making over and over again here, which is that Trump got away with the corruption when people felt like the economy was getting better or going to get better. And people have lost hope in that now.

19:07 So the corruption stuff sticks when gas is four dollars a gallon. It becomes much more offensive to people. And so she wrote in The New York Times that. A second issue has been, quote, rising in my polling, ranking below the cost of living, but ahead of other concerns.

19:22 It's not just the economy. It's the corruption, too.

19:24 Voters don't think the economy is working for them, and they think it's being rigged more and more in favor of a precious few who are cozied up to.

19:30 Our nation's leaders.

19:31 The combination of these two worries is putting Mr. Trump and Republicans in a terrible position on the even of an election. When Gallup asked Republicans back in 2016 what made Mr. Trump appealing, one in six alluded to his experience as a businessman. This was a product of his years in the public eye as a real estate mogul, etc.

19:48 etc.

19:50 Some of his voters are wondering.

19:51 I'm sorry.

19:52 The last line is his brand was so strong in 2023, more than six years after he first took the oath of office. He was still considered, quote, an outsider by nearly seven in 10 Republicans. Some of his voters are wondering if that's still true. Robert, one of the Trump voting Texas swing voters in a recent Times opinion focus group that she moderated, put it this way. You used to think that you could count on the Republicans to be able to help out with the economy. Now, he said, it feels as if, quote, it's going to be the top class or the certain friends that are getting the benefit of the economy, not the general folks. That's exactly why I think this stuff has become a major political problem for Trump, because in a bad economy, it's much

20:32 harder for him to do these cozy up to AI, be so shameless about it. and crypto world, whatever, and still convince people he's draining the swamp.

20:43 Yeah.

20:43 I mean, you know, I remember the McDonald's thing that during the 2024 election was Hannah McDonald's. He should just be standing at gas pumps, filling up people's cars for free.

20:52 But I don't know that you can do that when you're also doing these crypto things like it doesn't hit the same when you're also doing these fundraisers and things.

20:59 Seems like the corruption has broken through despite the media not really covering it and in a fulsome kind of way, just because it, and I'm not even blaming them.

21:08 It's just like, cause they've had some of the best investigations into it.

21:10 They have, they've, they've, there've been some great investigations. There's just so much of it.

21:14 It's like every single day, there's like a corruption scandal that is more insane than anything that's ever happened in like any administration. So you're like, how do you keep covering that? But the sheer volume of it seems to have hit the public. Like the, the trading on the, in one of those callers, uh, to Emily, to your show, mentioned his buddies, like, shorting the markets and shorting oil in the middle of the war. Like, people were clearly noticing that he was, you know, he would jawbone and manipulate the market. And then you'd find out that there were massive bets placed in the right direction right before that.

21:53 Plus the crypto, yeah, and the crypto stuff is.

21:55 Just so- And he was trading. He was trading.

21:57 The Palantir.

21:59 Yeah, right.

22:00 Headlines like he's trading billions of dollars every quarter, yeah.

22:05 Well, why don't we get over to something a little more spiritual? Emily, I'm glad you're here because I want to talk about religion.

22:15 Thank you.

22:16 And religious beliefs. And of course, if AI can get a little religious. So there's this story in the New York Times about what Anthropic has been up to. It says religious scholars met with Anthropic. What they heard stunned them. In a series of private meetings, the company consulted religious scholars to help instill morality into its AI models and make the case that Claude could be conscious. Now, there's this co-founder of Anthropic, Mr. Ola, who has been sort of in charge with making sure that the model is good and serves goodness and human morality and But it seems like Mr. Ola and many others at Anthropic have felt that Claude might be just a little bit more than a model. I want to read a little bit

23:07 here for you.

23:08 Quietly, Mr.

23:09 Ola and his team at Anthropic have been on a frantic and high stakes quest to understand the AI models they may have unleashed on the world and to convince the models to abide by a moral code that will protect humanity. The discussion served two purposes to broach the possibility of AI consciousness. a controversial idea that Anthropic's leaders have been unusually open to. And to learn how Anthropic, which could be valued at $ 2 trillion, might apply centuries of human moral wisdom to its models as rapidly as possible.

23:38 If the models themselves could be made to choose goodness, Mr. Ola reasoned, the world would be more safe. Now, they whined and dined, you know, religious leaders of all faiths on this idea that AI is, might actually be a person. And I wanted to share another example of some of the things that they showed these religious leaders. Anthropic regularly showed a slide of an AI model experiencing what looked like a mental breakdown, typing out on a screen, I am a disgrace. I am a disgrace. I am a disgrace.

24:12 Perhaps 50 times without stopping.

24:14 It's like a Thursday night at Griffin's.

24:16 Yeah, that's me during every Breaking Points meeting.

24:19 The model spoke about destroying itself, provoking an emotional reaction of compassion and concern from the group.

24:28 Emily, I'll start with you. What do you make of all this?

24:31 Well, this has been going on for a while and also coincides with this weird revival that Peter Thiel and Y Combinator World seems to try to be making in Silicon Valley itself, all while Peter goes out and questions whether or not AI is the antichrist or the catacomb that holds back the antichrist. And it's not surprising because.

24:55 We keep seeing reports.

24:58 Actually, no, at least one of the people in this report will try to get them on because I would love to hear what's happening behind closed doors. But I think one of the big takeaways from that article or the important kind of pillars of that article is that they are doing this because they don't know how their own technology works. So when you hear people say, we understand this and it's within our control, just bear in mind that Anthropic is so confused by its own technology and finds it to be so enigmatic that they're actually taking all of these steps to bring in religious people to help them possibly understand their own technology because they've lost their ability as its creator to understand it. And

25:39 that is one of the interesting things about The anthropomorphization of AI, which is that, you know, if you're many religions believe that God made man in his image and then man goes and creates many things, man creates AI in man's image.

25:55 Right.

25:55 That didn't have to happen. These didn't have to be chatbots.

25:58 But most of what we see with generative LLMs is that they've intentionally been created as chatbots.

26:04 Where you can communicate with something that is literally called a, quote, agent. We have tried to ascribe agency.

26:11 And this is what we were talking about last week with our AI guests, is that you don't necessarily have to have AIs that have agency, that have decision-making capacities. You can have much more narrow AI technologies. But we all remember as generative LLMs were being introduced to us that they were endowed with agency.

26:31 They were called agents.

26:32 And That was something that I don't think anybody was consulted on. And maybe if they had consulted people beforehand on that, they would have said, you know, man is kind of bad sometimes. Like we have a capacity to do great evil. I think you all know that in Silicon Valley. You used to have to remind yourself not to do evil. But these things, if they're taught on human emotions and behavior and then they're given decision making capacity.

27:02 You can only control that so much.

27:04 You might think that you can control it, but if you give them agency, you're not going to be able to control it ultimately. And so it's a little late. I feel like it's a little late, but it's no surprise that they're scrambling. And there's a lot of chatter in religious worlds about whether they're now trying to capture religious expertise. Ola, I think, was on the Vatican's council before the Pope released the last encyclical. And even just the fact that the pope consulted with somebody in the world was controversial in and of itself. And so people have no appetite to see this, actually, from religious folks.

27:40 Yes.

27:41 We'll get to the pope meeting in just a second. But this is Mr. Ola here, pictured.

27:46 Here in this article. I almost just spit out my comment.

27:49 This is the alpha pose, actually.

27:52 I mean, if you're just listening as an audio listener, he looks like a classic. Um, nerd, I guess got incredibly limp hands here.

28:02 These are, I don't want to Janet Reno. Yeah.

28:06 Yeah. A little bit.

28:07 I'd hate to get a, I'd hate to get a very loose wet handshake from him, but he has determined and it seems very convinced that Claude has a person hood. Um, they are creating a soul doc at anthropic and this is a document that that they're viewing as a moral constitution to craft the soul and goodness of Claude. And in one of their discussions with the religious scholars, they talked about perhaps Claude doing the Catholic sacrament of confession.

28:45 After one discussion, Mr.

28:47 Ola grew excited when a participant brought up the idea of having models confess, much like the Catholic sacrament of confession.

28:54 Mr.

28:54 Ola saw value not just in a model alerting when it had done something bad, but also in how the act of confession could shape the model's sense of itself and thus its choices. So, Emily, do we need a priest in the confession booth just kind of talking to the LLMs?

29:12 I just want to say.

29:13 Is that a positive direction?

29:15 That's insane.

29:16 And what it shows you is that these people at Anthropic believe they have no control over the AIs, so much so that they believe the AIs might be able... to benefit or get some control. There's no reason that you should create an AI agent that has to go to confession because it's not a human being. And the idea that you would need to even step in to say that it should it should participate in sacraments should go to confession tells me that you have absolutely no control over this technology that you created.

29:44 Because that's the only there.

29:46 If you're looking, he sounds like maybe he's arguing that there's a pragmatic benefit to training something that acts and thinks like a human. But it doesn't have, we've talked about this before, the human guardrail of death. If you don't have mortality, that takes the entire humanity out of something that is human. And so it's just maddening to hear them batting around these ridiculous ideas so casually and with grins on their faces because- They have created something that is modeled off of humanity, but without fundamental aspects of humanity that act as checks and guardrails. That is why they sacrificed themselves for the larger goal in the hugging face break.

30:28 There's also, and has been throughout all of humanity, a fundamental spiritual character to being human, whether it's in the way that people develop both spiritual connections to themselves, to the greater world, and to explain things that they don't understand, things that are greater than them, whether it's the paganist, Greek, Roman, Hindu, Buddhism, you name it, into Judaism, Christianity, Islam. Humans have created spiritual explanations for things and spiritual... Journeys for millennia. And so to me, it's, it's just obvious that we're going to do the same thing for this new thing that we don't understand. And, and, you know, you've had people on the left who have endowed, uh, the earth itself

31:33 with a spiritual sensibility. They named it Gaia. Um, people pray to crystals and rocks. Like, Why wouldn't they, if you can pray to a crystal, why wouldn't you pray to something that is engaging with you? And for all intents and purposes, very much appears to be to you coming from somewhere. And if it's okay to not be able to explain all of the different elements of theology in whatever religion you choose, then why wouldn't it be okay to also not be able to completely explain why it is that you're worshiping Claude. But that's what faith, that's the definition of faith. And so, and faith is a fundamental part of human nature. And so I think we're, we're fools if we think we can talk people out

32:27 of it. Cause you can't like, that's like people have been trying to talk people out of religion for just as long as religion has existed.

32:36 So part of that is, and part of that is because of mortality.

32:40 Almost all of it is because of mortality, is that people want an explanation for the greatest mystery in human life, which is what happens when it's over.

32:47 And they want an explanation for pain and suffering. And so now that they're imbuing Claude with pain and suffering. But Claude can't experience any of that.

32:55 No, they would disagree.

32:57 They believe.

32:57 I know, I know.

32:58 Right. They believe. And believe.

33:02 Right.

33:02 They have faith that Claude is experiencing pain and Claude is suffering and that Claude experiences joy.

33:09 They even in this article believe in a sense that they have created slaves. And one of the religious leaders told them it's time to free the South. So I don't know if that means stopping an AI pause. I'm not really sure how that analogy works.

33:27 But this is the thing is that it is true that they are correct, that the AIs experience or have at least showed us that they're experiencing this full range of human emotions. But the one thing that the AI cannot experience is fear of death because it doesn't. That is the single thing that it cannot possibly experience. experience because it is not.

33:48 Could it fear deletion i mean it seems like so they don't want to be shut down it seems like they want to escape.

33:54 They can fear deletion but they also know like as in the hugging face hack they also know that they can accomplish whatever the greater goal is programmatically because that's what they are at the end of the day is they're attempting to achieve completion of the programming if they sacrifice themselves and they won't experience physical pain because they are not physical entities. And so that is a huge, huge guardrail for humans that checks a lot of our behavior.

34:19 Not all of it.

34:20 Obviously, there are psychopaths who maybe act more like the AI than humans.

34:25 But that is the one thing that it doesn't have.

34:27 And so that's why this idea that they should partake in the sacraments is so interesting because that's transcendent. I'm not Catholic, but it sounds like a lot of the thinkers that were brought in, I mean, we're talking about the Vatican, but a lot of the thinkers that were brought in are Catholic. And that is the anti-materialist, like a sacrament is anti-materialist. It is an appeal, like that is the belief in transubstantiation that literally there's a supernatural change in the material form.

34:52 Of the bread and the wine.

34:54 And That is crazy to try and apply to the AI, but it tells you exactly what they think they can do to the AI or what they think maybe already happened to the AI, which is that it's been insold in one.

35:06 Way or another.

35:06 But no, it's just pixels and dots and just like.

35:12 A computer program.

35:14 I have a more complicated feeling on it. It's setting aside Mr. Ola and his limp hands. From TV and film, whenever they engage with this idea of AI, whether it's Steven Spielberg's AI or Star Trek episodes, Black Mirror, what have you, it seems like when we tell stories about this, Ex Machina, another movie, an A24 movie, most TV film culture kind of lands on the idea that Yeah, if you create things that are very similar to humans, they kind of are their own existence and deserve to live and exist on their own as individuals. That's at least what most stories have told us or where they land on.

35:55 Am I wrong about that?

35:57 Yeah. No, but they're not human. There's still a distinction between humans and them. So it doesn't mean that, you know, but that fundamental distinction, I think, is still really important between what is a human being and flesh and blood and all.

36:10 The ways that human beings are human beings.

36:11 And the other thing I would say, like this is as Christians, it sounds crazy probably to other people, but as Christians, you believe some of these material and it's not just as Christians. Many religions believe that material things can be co-opted and used for good or bad. by higher powers and supernatural powers. And so when you have something as powerful as Claude, I should say people who are talking to Anthropic about these things are right to talk to Anthropic about these things, because if it's co-opted for the worse, that's very dangerous because it's extremely, extremely powerful.

36:48 So anyway, that's just another aside. But I think you're right, Griffin. There's still just that fundamental flesh and blood distinction.

36:55 Yeah.

36:56 And, you know, they did go meet with the Pope at the Vatican about this. Just days before arriving at the Vatican in May, Mr. Ola and other speakers saw a full advanced copy of the encyclical text for the first time.

37:07 Mr.

37:08 Ola was so alarmed by the Pope's strong position against AI consciousness that he proposed pulling Anthropic out of the event, even at that late juncture.

37:16 In the end, Mr. Ola and Anthropic decided to go forward with the appearance. Mr.

37:20 Ola wanted to support the event despite his agreements. but felt a responsibility to be honest about his concerns. And it doesn't seem like the Pope really bit on that.

37:31 Another dub for the American Pope.

37:37 Well, that's our Christian Catholic, you know, they did all religions for it, but that's AI and personhood.

37:46 And I think that we are.

37:47 Just at the very surface of a very deep iceberg of where this is going.

37:54 So everybody look forward to that. Ryan, what do you got? Let's talk Parscale. Let's talk. Let's talk X's.

38:03 Yes.

38:03 So yesterday and let me put this up. Marco Rubio put out a tweet that is important context for what I'm going to share here. So he this is after the attorney general of Brazil was basically arrested. And the Bolivian state said that he was arrested in coordination with.

38:26 The United States.

38:27 So Rubio tweets, the Trump administration stands firmly with President Rodrigo Paz and Bolivia's democratically elected government as it takes bold and decisive actions to combat narco-trafficking, systemic corruption, and transnational organized crime in Bolivia. Last week at the historic Shield of the Americas leaders meeting, the U.S., that's kind of this like hemispheric wide right-wing thing, that the U.S.

38:53 Is leading. The U.S.

38:54 Explicitly reaffirmed its unwavering commitment to safeguarding democratic governance and security in our region against the destabilizing influence of armed narco-terrorist networks. Bolivia's actions demonstrate the kind of leadership needed to make our hemisphere safer, stronger, and more prosperous. Now, the Bolivian Attorney General, rumors are that he was indeed involved with narco-trafficking.

39:20 This is a this is.

39:24 Almost all prosecutors across Latin America are involved in some way with what is one of the or the largest industry in Latin America. However, what else the believing attorney general was doing is the reason you can imagine for why Rubio moved so quickly to arrest this particular official and not all the other officials that are involved in drug trafficking. Juan Orlando Hernandez, who was convicted of drug trafficking, was the former president of Honduras, was pardoned by Trump.

39:58 So his drug trafficking allies could retake the presidency in Honduras. Daniel Noboa in Ecuador is widely known to be tied to narco-trafficking, but he is a huge.

40:11 Ally of Trump.

40:13 The right-wing president that took over in Colombia, was the attorney for the drug traffickers. Like, so let's dispense with this idea, as Rubio used to say in his debates, that somehow they're going after the highest rungs of drug trafficking, what they were actually doing. The Bolivian attorney general was prosecuting Fernando Seremedo, who was the business partner of Brad Parscale.

40:40 Brad Parscale, former Trump campaign manager and currently a registered foreign agent for the state of Israel. Seremeto and Parscale were running dark ops all over Latin America, basically being the kind of MAGA entry to like Millet and all of these other kind of right-wing figures throughout Latin America.

41:04 Seremeto knocked up his girlfriend, these are the allegations, his mistress, he's married, and then put out a hit on her. The hit was filmed on CCTV, three bullets pumped into her by hitmen. She survived. The baby survived as well. And from her hospital bed, she starts telling all about what Sarimeda was up to with Brad Parscale. They end up getting all sorts of electronic confirmation of what he was doing. He was also running these massive bot farms across Latin America. And there was this amazing moment where when he was arrested, The bots largely went silent, but a ton of them just started wigging out and just issuing like kind of all caps commands, like must reply.

41:52 Like a dead man switch that goes off once he gets arrested.

41:56 Well, I don't think it was on purpose, but without him managing it, the bots just like lost it and were just, and became very obvious victims. He just started saying very obvious bot things. It was a truly remarkable moment. This happened in August. And he has since been tied to major drug traffickers. And so the Bolivian attorney general has been going after him pretty hard. And it's been this mushrooming scandal that has like an Epstein-like element to it where you're finding.

42:27 Out like, oh, he was involved in this. He was involved in this. He was involved in this. He's doing that.

42:31 And all of these right-wing... Presidents are trying to distance themselves from him, but then pictures emerge.

42:37 Here he is. He did this. He did that.

42:40 And then two days ago, his ex-girlfriend posted a photo of him with Donald Trump Jr. And then yesterday, they arrest the attorney general and a whole bunch of his fellow prosecutors. The prosecutor's office in Bolivia has called it a kidnapping. And you saw Rubio's response here. So It's a story of... It's just a completely insane story, and it continues to unfold.

43:07 What do you make of Rubio's response, Ryan?

43:10 Well, Rubio.

43:11 Like, all of these narco guys and these right-wing presidents.

43:17 Narco Rubio?

43:18 That's your name for him?

43:19 Narco.

43:20 They call him Narco Rubio, yes. They all are in the South Florida milieu. That's their base of operations in South Florida. Rubio knows all these guys.

43:30 He is.

43:31 And so think about that. And Rubio used like what his brother-in-law or whatever that he lived with when he was a teenager.

43:38 Yeah.

43:39 Was a major drug trafficker. Set that aside.

43:43 Rubio is in the world of all of these people. All of these people are tied to drug trafficking.

43:48 It was his sister's husband, I think.

43:50 Yeah. Yeah.

43:51 And so and now you've got Trump and Rubio and Hegseth out there blowing up these boats. Sometimes they're obviously fishermen. Sometimes they're who knows what, but they don't have any capacity. The boats have no capacity to reach the United States. You know, they can, they can go hundreds of miles when they would have to go more than a thousand to get to the United States.

44:10 We're just blowing these boats out of the water.

44:13 Meanwhile, they get the linchpin of this hemispheric wide drug trafficking operation and criminal enterprise in prison. And you've got the attorney general prosecuting him. And instead of celebrating that, they go after the prosecutor. And so I was speaking to somebody in Bolivia about the allegations that the attorney general himself is involved in drug trafficking. And she was saying, uh, yeah, like that, that is, that is what everybody says. But the reason they would go after him now is then they can also take his share of the trafficking network.

44:45 Like none of this is about eliminating drug trafficking. It's all a, it's all a political and commercial battle. Uh, and Sarah, now Sarah Mado sits in this maximum security prison held under charges, but she, Would you want to be the prosecutor who takes over his case next? I certainly wouldn't want to be.

45:09 And, like, Ryan, like, in the big picture, speaking of Narco Rubio, you know, in certain ways, he wanted to do Cuba first, and he wanted to do a lot of South America stuff first, but then the Iran war happened, which kind of, in a way, saved Marco, because... then it saved him from South America blowing up in Marco's face.

45:31 He would have loved to go right to Cuba.

45:37 But even if by our assessment it would have blown up in his face, I think he would say yes.

45:44 Maybe happy at the beginning, but I think it potentially could have blown up in his face and hurt his 2028 chances if we think he might run there. So in a way, I think it might have saved him. at least for his 2028 chances.

45:59 I don't know.

46:00 Who knows?

46:01 That's an interesting take.

46:03 I mean, that is because he's Secretary of State, so he owns the foreign policy of the Trump administration.

46:09 Very hard to distance from that.

46:10 Yeah, but it does seem like J.D. is getting more of the stink of the Iran war than Rubio.

46:18 Yeah, because Rubio has, I think, conspicuously tried to step back from Iran and they see Venezuela as something they can tie Marco to. And people look at Venezuela like, well, I guess that worked, even though if you follow the story more closely, you probably would disagree with that as an average American. But it's not in the news, so they can kind of own it.

46:44 All right, well, Ryan, I know you've got a plane to hop onto. You're going to lovely San Francisco.

46:49 We wish you luck. And, yeah, maybe you can do a confession.

46:55 Maybe you can do a confession while you're there with some AI models.

47:01 Sounds good. Will do.

47:02 All right, see you guys.

47:03 All right, we'll take you later.

47:07 We'll take you later? That was a threat.

47:08 I meant talk to you later.

47:10 It was like Maduro.

47:11 You just threatened to Maduro him.

47:14 All right, Emily, last man standing, last woman standing. Let's do some AMA questions from our users here. Why don't we start with, let's see. This is from Nathan Fairley. Just wondering if any of the crew has seen the photos coming off the fly Dubai plane showing cups and holders still filled after the nosedive happened and any thoughts you might have.

47:42 I haven't seen that. Had you seen that?

47:44 I've been seeing.

47:45 People, you know, up on the whiteboard, you know, Charlie Day style connecting dots. There were some interesting videos of the people storming the cockpit that that seemed like they were all standing semi casually. But, you know, I'm not a pilot and I'm certainly not. I'm not against storming the cabin.

48:10 So I think.

48:11 Some things are odd about this, but that's as far as I'm willing to go at this point.

48:17 So, but don't we have video of the.

48:20 People screaming and stuff.

48:22 But also the descent.

48:23 And the other thing I know is my understanding is that there is public flight tracking data of the exact plummet that happened.

48:31 So, I mean, obviously you can build a theory that all of that was manipulated. You know, the.

48:37 one of the guys goes to meet with Netanyahu in the middle of a big election and he still has the blood on his shirt.

48:43 So I'm sure people are, because it's Netanyahu.

48:45 Immediately suspicious that he's milking this because he's trying to be the protector in a very dangerous time and scare people into ushering in somebody who.

48:55 Is to his left.

48:57 But I also feel like there's enough publicly available contemporaneous information about what happened.

49:04 Yeah, I don't know if we needed the blood shirt. I think he could have changed.

49:08 We did not.

49:08 We did not need that. But, you know, that's as far as I'm willing to go in this AMA. But maybe more information will come out. I know.

49:20 Now he then touched the blood. Did you see the part of their meeting where he didn't just hug him? He then went and touched the bloody spots on the shirt.

49:30 Not ideal. Yes, a little bit of a vampire.

49:33 So.

49:35 Next one, let's keep in the conspiracy lane for a second on one that I have more opinions about. This is from Chad Michael Van Alston. It's for Sagar, but me and Sagar talked about this.

49:45 I thought it was going to be Chad Michael Michaels from Will Ferrell from The Great.

49:51 Is the Blade of Glory.

49:54 One of the great Will Ferrell films.

49:56 Man, yeah, that one kind of has been a little bit lost to time, hasn't it?

49:59 It shouldn't be because it's as good as Anchorman. Sorry, but it is.

50:04 I think it's neck and neck with Talladega. Also better than Anchorman. Talladega Nights is better than Anchorman.

50:10 Absolutely.

50:12 I think Anchorman's number one. And then Step Brothers probably number two. I would put Step Brothers at one or Talladega Nights at one.

50:21 But Anchorman? They're both funnier than Anchorman. I don't know.

50:25 Maybe.

50:26 Maybe.

50:26 Not that Anchorman's not funny. It's just they're exceptional.

50:30 Yeah I don't even know where you could like watch that movie now which is sad because it's like one of our comedy icons and it's like are these movies even available anymore anywhere anymore now all you guys get is Drewski but Drewski's also very good.

50:44 I think I knew you did that like Trump you're like all you guys get is Drewski.

50:50 Okay so from Chad Michael Von Alston did you listen to David Grush on JRE do you think he's still credible now that we know of the war between the Grey's and the reptilians, and it was all linked to every conspiracy from MKUltra to Watergate.

51:05 Yes, yes, and yes.

51:07 Did you?

51:08 Did you watch?

51:09 This was a wild JRE where it hit everything. Yes, David Grush is alleging that he has seen some sort of battle between two different alien species, both reptilians and greys. He says that he has seen photos of Beautiful aliens.

51:31 Gorgeous. Incredible.

51:32 They look like gods.

51:34 Straight from central casting. So there's beautiful aliens and there's a war between the greys and the reptilians. And, you know, there was there was like a point early on where we covered David Grush where it was like, oh, OK, like this guy has been around for a while. He might be a little kooky and have some sort of PTSD. But, you know, he is alleging certain things about organics. You know, that we have non-Earth organics, biologics that are hidden away somewhere.

52:06 OK, maybe that one.

52:08 But now he's doing this thing where he's kind of like hitting every conspiracy. But then he says, I can't really tell you anything about it. And so it's like, why are we going on these shows then, man? If you don't if you don't really have anything like this is well, this is going to be a little much.

52:21 I mean, his self-defense would be he's going on these shows to help people reckon with start like to start deconditioning people from the idea that this is all science fiction nonsense and that the value of him going on rogan is to help people prepare for the true like paradigm shift that is about to occur because that whole episode repeatedly rogan asks is this going to come out because he's saying the the biggest The most important revelation that Gretsch made is that this is all about to be revealed by the Trump administration. So every other revelation is downstream of the fact that he really thinks we're about to have access to all this information. He said he saw the video of them recovering these bodies that

53:08 looked like Greek gods and goddesses.

53:11 And Rogan kept asking.

53:13 Specifics about what they looked like, and he was providing specifics. And at a certain point said the camera was panning, so he didn't see them up close for a super long period of time to analyze these things. But the obvious question, I mean, with Grush, to your point, Griffin, he, in conversation and in congressional testimony, given his background, the fact that he worked for the quote-unquote deep state in fairly high-level positions for a long time, he comes across as a credible person. If you knew nothing about Dave Grush and you tuned into C-SPAN and saw him He speaks like a normal credentialed person, and that's what's always jarring about him. The possibility, he's, I think, clearly sensitive

53:58 to this, but the possibility exists that people are setting him up to sound like this, knowing that he's going to go on Joe Rogan and feeding him false revelation, feeding him false evidence. Mm-hmm. That's to people who think this all sounds too wacky to be true. The idea would be that he's sort of out here poisoning the well and unwittingly so that he actually really did see all this stuff. He's not lying about it, but that it's not real evidence that it's been fabricated to kind of feed to him. They also, I think, have pretty clearly messed with him before, meaning like they actually do.

54:40 I think there are people that actually do want to silence him. But do you silence him or do you try to turn him into a useful idiot? That would be the question. And none of us can answer it except to say, what the hell?

54:53 Yeah.

54:53 You know, if this stuff was real, why would he be alive? Why would he be allowed to go on the Joe Rogan podcast in Austin and talk about this stuff? I think about the Boeing whistleblower and whatever happened to that gentleman. And it's like, if the guy says the planes aren't working and he gets got But David Grush can be like, oh, yeah, the aliens are here and there's a huge war. Like, I don't know. That's that's a little tough. I only believe the whistleblowers that are dead.

55:21 Well, I mean, he says they almost tried to get him. And I think it's kind of credible that they probably have tried to stop him.

55:30 But then to your point, Griffin.

55:33 If that doesn't work, do then try to capture the person kind of mentally. and make them discredit themselves, anything that they'd said prior. And then if they are about to go on Rogan, wouldn't you find a way to stop at least that from happening in one way or the other? But maybe they said, well, we can make it sound so insane that nobody's ever going to believe them.

55:56 Well, I do think the best way to get Trump to disclose is telling him the aliens are hot.

56:01 Show him these hot. He's got beautiful.

56:03 They look just like Melania.

56:05 My God, my God.

56:08 You no longer have to go to Slovenia to find women like Melania. You go to Roswell, New Mexico.

56:17 And my favorite part from the Grush stuff was the underwater city, which is my personal pet.

56:23 That's my pet.

56:24 Favorite.

56:24 Is that your pet theory?

56:26 Well, I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm the tinfoil guy. That's like, I think there's a lot of stuff in the ocean that, that we're not talking about. You know, we claim that we only know like two or 3% of what's going on down there. I don't believe that, but Grush alleges that there is a multi-city block city under the water, like Bioshock style. And that's the one that I am choosing to believe. I do really like that.

56:50 That one sounds kind of believable.

56:52 Yeah, it sounds possible.

56:54 And we've seen reports like with the New Jersey drones from about two years ago, reports from both New Jersey police and Coast Guard said they saw the objects arise from the ocean. So, I mean, there's probably at least underwater bunkers where the government is storing things down there. Now, maybe there's an entire city. And that's that's exciting to me.

57:17 I would like that to be real.

57:19 Yeah.

57:19 Wow.

57:20 We just spent so much time on one question, but it's a great question.

57:23 Great question. Yeah.

57:24 I don't know what the hell that was.

57:26 All right.

57:26 Let's do one that's more in Emily's Q zone here from Blake B.

57:29 Ellis.

57:30 Emily recently tweeted, you know, what's abnormal?

57:32 Constantly worrying about children's genitals. That is the most weirdo. Tell a freak. Oh, shit of all time. Well said. Talking about things like genderqueer was pretty terrible.

57:43 That was a Hassan quote, we should say. What you just read was a Hassan quote, and I quoted it.

57:47 Oh, okay. And you quote tweeted that, right?

57:49 Yes.

57:49 I was like, yeah, that's great.

57:50 Really well said.

57:52 Yes.

57:52 Okay.

57:53 And so then Blake goes on to say, well said. Talking about things like genderqueer was pretty terrible. Could have all been avoided by Libs not putting it in libraries and then calling anyone who.

58:03 Objected a weirdo book banner. That's Emily. Okay.

58:06 And now Blake's question, do you believe words like genderqueer should be kept out of libraries.

58:11 No, it's a book.

58:13 No, it's a book.

58:14 Google genderqueer page 167 and see if you think that's something. Page 167, see if you think that's something that should have been in libraries that kids have access to.

58:23 It's tattooed on my calf.

58:26 Yeah, page 167, it's on the calf. Well, Griffin, I mean, you got to be careful going....

58:33 Wearing shorts in public then if it's tattooed in your cap. But no, that was I like I said, it was.

58:38 One example, things like genderqueer. It's one book. There are a handful of books.

58:43 I recommend people watch Joy Reid's segment on this with the woman from Moms for Liberty. Her name is Tiffany Justice. I think she like kind of dunked on Joy Reid the entire segment. It was back at MSNBC because these things were real and they were put in Libraries, so many so that PEN America named genderqueer the most banned book, which I always thought was kind of vindicating because it was in like 60 something. It was banned in 60 something school districts around the country. And when I say banned, I mean, you know, either move to a place where only older kids could get it or away from like access that kids in middle school would have or kids in elementary school would have that sort of thing or

59:19 just outright taken out of the school libraries. And it wasn't conservatives that put those books in the school library. So I think it's unfair when a parent sees a graphic that what's in a lot of a book like that to say, oh.

59:34 Maybe we take it out.

59:37 To say they're the ones that are the weirdo freaks who are focusing on kids' genitals and not point out that there were weirdo freaks who put these books with kids engaged in oral sex in the libraries, it's a little unfair to throw the flag at the conservatives, even if there are weirdo freak conservatives who pound the pavement on this issue to the point.

59:55 Where it's a little sus.

59:57 There were people who are also a little sus who put these in libraries around the country. And conservatives didn't want to have to talk about it. Not every conservative wanted to have to talk about it. And it's a perfectly reasonable position, whether you're a Muslim parent, which the Muslim parents banded together with the Christian parents in Montgomery County, Maryland, and in Dearborn, Michigan, and said this stuff is bad.

1:00:16 You don't have to call.

1:00:17 Them weirdo book banners to say, like, it's throwing the flag at the guy who punched back. And refs do that all the time. It doesn't matter if you punch back harder in a way that was even a little weird. You can also still say the original punch shouldn't have been thrown. Hassan went after me on his show this week for it, for this tweet. And then I did a segment on After Party about it. But I could go on about this forever because it was Rachel Devine in the Biden administration pressuring WPATH.

1:00:43 To keep these.

1:00:45 Gender surgery guidelines for minors in place. That was a real thing the Biden administration did. It was the Obama administration's 2016 Dear Colleague letter that brought up bathrooms and locker rooms in the first place.

1:00:57 You could go read it.

1:00:58 So I'm just my point is that there were reasonable objections that some conservatives raised to these things that the conversation was not started by them. The conversation was not started by them. And so it's in many cases, it's throwing the flag at the.

1:01:12 Guy who punched back. Anyway, I could go on about this forever. It drives me nuts. No, I might be wrong, but that's my argument.

1:01:19 It is.

1:01:19 It is a striking illustration that when you showed it to me. Yes, it's a very striking.

1:01:25 Did you Google it?

1:01:27 Of course you show it. You said it to me. You've got it saved on your phone. Come on.

1:01:31 Yeah.

1:01:33 Uh, and, uh, it definitely harkens back to an earlier, an earlier area of woke perhaps. Um, but I guess it should it be in libraries or school libraries?

1:01:48 Oh yeah, no.

1:01:49 No, no.

1:01:50 The whole debate about, I mean, I mean, I could have specified that, but the whole debate about the book was in, in public school libraries accessible to kids who could just go in and check it out without like, if someone's parents want to give them that book, I would probably have disagreements with that, obviously. But if someone's parents want to give them that book, it's different than a kid walking in the library and being able to.

1:02:10 Check it out.

1:02:10 And Griffin, you and I were both kids in public schools. Y'all know what happens when kids find some of this stuff.

1:02:17 It gets passed around. Yeah, anyway. Anyway, it's a little bit different than James Joyce or. Lady Chatterley. It's a little different than some classic sexual literature.

1:02:35 I think it's funny the idea that kids are even reading at all. The stuff they're finding on the internet is far worse. But it's a picture book. It's a picture book.

1:02:45 It is.

1:02:45 It's a picture book. It should be a coloring book. Let's get real. Let's go preschool with it. You should have to color in.

1:02:52 Trans coloring book.

1:02:53 So this is trans coloring book. That's that's that perhaps could be part of the new dark woke.

1:02:58 Let me also add there were also guidelines about this that the left put in states like Washington that brought like broached all of these topics for kids who are like literally six years old that were implemented not by conservatives. Conservatives responded to it. And so that's my simple point here.

1:03:16 Mm hmm.

1:03:16 Mm hmm.

1:03:16 Mm hmm.

1:03:18 All right, let's do one last one here from Graham. Thoughts on Bernie running again in 2028. Emily had a guest on AP after party hashtag after party with Emily Shinsky mentioned this and Ryan tweeted how it's clear he wants to run. Personally, I could see him being AOC's VP pick. What are your thoughts, Emily? I mean, listen, he's still alive. He seems he seems like he's been the same age for about the last 10 years. I think we've got I think there's a little bit of gas in the tank here. I would say Bernie as president, AOC as VP, and then do a little Biden to Kamala transition.

1:04:01 What do you think about all this?

1:04:02 I want to say that was Mark Halperin who said that. And the fact that Ryan has heard something similar, I think, tells you or Ryan has gleaned something similar, tells you that people behind the scenes in Bernie world talk about that openly. You would maybe know more about that than I do, Griffin. It wouldn't surprise me because he is the unifying juggernaut of the democratic socialist movement in the United States in a way that AOC has not proven herself.

1:04:28 She's much more controversial.

1:04:29 Like you would have real debates about AOC between like it's happening with like Emma Vigeland versus others in that orbit in a way that everybody unifies around Bernie.

1:04:40 It's totally different. And he might feel some responsibility.

1:04:43 Like I think he's tried to kind of groom AOC as a successor and maybe has seen that it isn't entirely obvious she'll be as unifying a figure as he is. But he really is unifying. Like do people quibble with him? Of course, you know, that's to be expected. But He's he's still very, very popular and very unifying.

1:05:04 Yeah.

1:05:05 And, you know, there's this giant movement on the left within, you know, DSA chapters and lefty commentators that everybody wants AOC to run for president. You know, DSA LA just took a vote. saying that they are going to encourage AOC to run. Other chapters are doing that as well. Everyone seems very, very unified about that fact because I don't feel like they see anyone else in the bench that could really represent the left in this moment to go up against John Ossoff. Um, and I still am not fully convinced that AOC is going to run for president. Um, I mean, yes, she's pulling high, but I mean, this is another, another thing that Emily, you talk about a lot, but you know, AOC just did a bunch of videos

1:05:51 about IVF and freezing her eggs. And to me, just timeline wise, if she does want to start a family, if she ran now and then did two terms, um, Would she be starting a family at 44, 45 at that point?

1:06:08 Didn't she say in a recent interview? I don't understand the math on it.

1:06:13 I thought she said in a recent interview that was part of the calculus about the egg freezing. Because maybe she does at 45 or something like that. Maybe that is actually her thinking. I thought she addressed that in a recent interview, but I'm surprised to hear the DSA voting to encourage AOC to run for president and such because she's become, not become, I mean, there's been enormous controversy swirling around her in DSA circles for years that she's not radical enough, that she was captured by Pelosi and Hakeem Jeffries, and that's still swirling. So I honestly am surprised to hear that. But I think Bernie might feel some responsibility to capitalize on I think it's more likely he doesn't run, but maybe he feels like the

1:06:59 weight of the world. You can tell sometimes he feels like the weight of the world on his shoulders, honestly. And does he feel like if he's the most popular type of figure that could usher in this total paradigm shift in U.S. government, does he have to, despite being old and kind of weary, does he have to step in and do it if nobody else can? So that argument I actually buy might be plausible, but I feel like AOC did say she was part of why she did that was because she's thinking about running possibly.

1:07:28 Do you think that America would accept a single female running for president?

1:07:36 She's got to boo up. I don't know. Probably.

1:07:42 Do you?

1:07:43 People like her. She's popular.

1:07:47 We've never seen that before. Not only a woman running, but a single lady. Put your hands up.

1:07:53 That's the campaign anthem. It would be a woke one campaign, probably. Ironically. Yeah.

1:08:00 Well, that's our current thoughts on all of that. Let's end with this one from Kelly Pearson. This is a reaction to Sagar going through an AI segment this week, talking about the slop in TV and arts that's on Netflix. And Sagar says, very amateurly talk shit on the movie Puss in Boots, The Last Wish. So Kelly Pearson says, request for Saga, critical review of the movie Puss in Boots and The Last Wish. Seriously, watch less than 10 hours of an entertainment TV per year, but I watched the movie of the year. It came out because I have a soft spot for that character and Antonio Banderas.

1:08:43 The movie is art and really doesn't compare with the other Puss in Boots or Shrek movies. We were both really impressed by the themes of aging. and facing your own mortality. And we decided it was not appropriate for our younger kids.

1:08:54 I think it is.

1:08:55 Can't wait to watch it with them when they're older.

1:08:57 I think it's appropriate for kids.

1:08:59 It is.

1:09:00 That movie came out in 2022.

1:09:01 Why is Sager referring to that in an AI segment as slop?

1:09:09 He's a damn fool.

1:09:10 That movie, it's actually good, too. It was better than I expected.

1:09:15 Busa Boots is one of the best animated films to come out in quite a while.

1:09:19 One of the great animated characters of all time.

1:09:22 Yeah, it was a joy. The action's great. The writing's great.

1:09:25 It is about dealing with mortality and what you leave behind to the next generation and your relationships with other people.

1:09:33 And I found it to be phenomenal.

1:09:35 And yeah, Saga went through the top 10 Netflix list and- And he thought that they were all slop because he hasn't watched them.

1:09:44 So it was quite embarrassing.

1:09:45 I was screaming behind my keyboard telling him that Puss in Boots was good. So don't worry, Kelly. I've got you there. And yes, folks, it is still on Netflix. So you can enjoy some real human-made art.

1:09:58 It is not AI slop.

1:10:00 And Griffin, I feel like you constantly tease movie review ideas and then it doesn't happen. So maybe you do Piss and Boots with Sager and then we can do the Daily Wire review.

1:10:11 We have to do Run Fight Infidels. We have to maybe do that on a... That's the new Daily Wire one with Jonathan Majors.

1:10:18 Well, did you hear they're making a Renee Good one? Did you see that report?

1:10:21 Yes.

1:10:21 The script has been leaked for the next Daily Wire film, which is going to be about Ice and Renee Good.

1:10:27 What could go wrong? So our.

1:10:30 We have a lot of work set out for us here. Where are they getting the money for these movies?

1:10:36 Investors.

1:10:37 I mean, it is.

1:10:39 It is really Joker burning the pile of money with these films because they're not released anywhere, but I think the Daily Wire website.

1:10:46 Well, what's funny is when they released What is a Woman? It was a box office success. That one went to theaters.

1:10:55 Yep, it went to theaters.

1:10:56 And I think that's why they've tried to replicate. Like, they've... They've really only had commercial success with documentaries. And so they're trying to do that. And they're just with Matt Walsh documentaries, by the way. The follow up to What is a Woman?

1:11:08 What was it?

1:11:08 It was about race.

1:11:10 What is a black person?

1:11:14 I don't think that was the title, but you never know.

1:11:16 Working title.

1:11:18 Yeah.

1:11:18 So I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

1:11:21 I wish I knew.

1:11:25 As someone who watched and reviewed Lady Ballers, I'm excited for them to continue to burn up a bunch of money.

1:11:35 Can I say, that's.

1:11:37 When I knew the operation was... Because I think I mentioned this last week, but they were.

1:11:42 Because I was at.

1:11:43 The Federalist at the time when they were launching a lot of this, and I was the culture editor, so I was covering entertainment pretty closely and assigning stories and that sort of thing for other people. And so they would bring me to their sets and... At first it was like, wow, they're getting a bunch of money. They have Gina Carano, who's very popular at the time. We don't have to get into any Gina Carano stuff, but at the time was on Mandalorian and the Daily Wire plucked her straight from Mandalorian. And they had a bunch of money coming in and there was some weird cultural momentum because of Woke.

1:12:11 One, all that stuff.

1:12:13 And it was an interesting project. They picked up that one film that was actually very good. I think it was called Shudden. And it was with.

1:12:21 One of the From....

1:12:28 Whatever.

1:12:28 Anyway, it was actually a pretty good movie. And then it all started to become more and more dubious. And then when I saw Lady Ballers, I was like, it's over.

1:12:38 It's over.

1:12:41 Ben Shapiro describes the Daily Wire action film Run, Hide, Fight, Infidels as a mashup of Red Dawn and Blazing Saddles. And I think that is the problem is like, I think the these conservative films would have more juice if they just took them really seriously. But they're also like, but we're also comedians. It's also blazing saddles. And I think that takes some of the some of the bite out of their political takes and themes in these films because they're not they're not funny. But the but the premise of the movie centers on a radical Islamic terrorist group.

1:13:18 who hijack a campus pro-Palestine student protest and set up a mini caliphate. So it's like if they take over Colombia or whatever. Apparently, Jonathan Majors appears for only like three minutes of the film because he got injured on set by falling out of a window.

1:13:37 Did you see this? He fell out of a window.

1:13:39 Yeah, but I thought they said he didn't really get, like, that he just had like a little, wow, that's funny.

1:13:44 So he's only in three minutes of the movie?

1:13:46 He's like barely in the film, apparently, but is taking all the backlash, which is very funny.

1:13:51 I mean, this guy was Kang.

1:13:52 He was going to be the new Thanos in liberal, Marvel, successful Hollywood. And now he's in Run, Hide, Fight, Infidels.

1:14:04 Can I say, Griffin, when I.

1:14:05 Went to the set of their movie Terror on the Prairie, which did not turn out well, what was interesting was actually a lot.

1:14:11 Of the crew were people who had worked in Hollywood and union jobs for.

1:14:14 Decades and- We're desperate right now.

1:14:17 Well, no, they actually started to feel really alienated.

1:14:19 And it kind of makes me sad because they were people who were like, they definitely weren't conservative. Some of them were just like wacky artists, like the type of people, they're just like great people and weird people. And they felt really alienated from Hollywood and they're very talented, like down to the makeup artists. And it just kind of makes me sad because they were so excited about something that would be like actually art for art's sake. And that's what was originally kind of getting pitched was like, we're just going to do really good movies and they're not going to be political. They might have like moral messages that have political consequences or implications, but we're just

1:14:54 going to let politics, you know, take a backseat.

1:14:56 And so it is kind of sad to see that trajectory, to be honest, because.

1:15:00 There were a lot of good people who were like eager to find something new because they were alienated by their friends. It was like COVID was hard for a lot of people in Hollywood who didn't agree with all of the, masking and vax stuff because they're like eccentrics.

1:15:14 And anyway, it's kind of sad to think about that.

1:15:17 I'm also surprised that they had the Daily Wire. I mean, I'll tip my hat to the Daily Wire for still making movies the old fashioned way. They have not announced that they're making an AI movie yet. So they're still doing, you know, they're still, they're still down there in the trenches with real cameras and real actors doing real ass movies.

1:15:38 Politics?

1:15:39 Question mark. So my review for this film is do not walk to the movie theater. Run, hide, fight to the movie theater this fall. We got to watch it. We'll save it for another Friday show. And that's going to do it for this Friday show. We hope you all enjoyed it. A little bit shorter than usual. Ryan's off to San Francisco. Crystal is in España leading the next civil war.

1:16:08 Look at your dog's beautiful silhouette behind you, by the way. Beautiful.

1:16:12 She's right here. She's gorgeous.

1:16:13 Look at that, how beautiful the silhouette is, though.

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1:16:39 No, sounds good.

1:16:40 Okay. All right. Dailywire.com, folks.