Caleb Pollan: Shmoners, Kiddush Clubs & the Five Towns

0:00 There's another podcast called Call Her Daddy. Oh my God. Oh, 3.8 million. I'm going to look like a idiot. What's the schmoner? Oh God, you want to get into this? I'd marry Dave. I'd convert for her. What makes a kiddish sick? Do you need an intervention? I need God. Love Island, but like Jewify it. Maybe like a pillow in between the two of you on the first night.

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1:11 Hi, Shefalaz. Today I have a really special guest. I'm sure you've seen him on Instagram. He's kind of everywhere right now. He's led a few different lives and he's only 24 years old. He went from yeshiva to aspiring golf pro and he's kind. Yeah, no, you are. You were. In the Jewish world, we'll take it.

1:33 Yeah. Correct. he's one of the very few Gen Z guys to actually put his face on social media and kind of become this influencer that we all know and love. And I think we should know this already by now, but my episodes are not for your children because we kind of just say what we want, say what we feel, and sometimes it's just not appropriate for little kids.

1:58 So not for Kindlele. When you say children, how old is that referring to? Say anything under like 16. Okay, valid. Yeah. I have a couple like 14, 13-year-old fans. Okay, maybe they have chill parents. Everybody, welcome. Caleb Pollan. Caleb, welcome to Miami. Thanks for having me. What brought you to Miami?

2:19 What brought me to Miami? Good question. Well, I live at home and I feel that it was getting cold. And when it gets cold, I get very just like sad and just like I need to get out and do content, play golf. And I think I was also just like running out of restaurants in five towns and... I work from my dad's office every day running other people's social media accounts, running my own account.

2:37 And I'm like, why can't I do this somewhere else? Branch out, meet new people, go on this podcast, which is thanks so much for having me. And just connect with new people, new golfers, restaurants, and also just the weather. And like Miami's Miami. Chicks. Yeah. You like the chicks here. Well, you're in Brickell, so.

2:53 I don't like the chicks. I love the chicks. Okay. Well, you're in the right city. Yeah. Everywhere I walk, bro, it's just... City, they're all covered up because it's a little chilly. You know what I'm saying? No, but you're in the city of Miami. You're in Brickell. Yeah. Brickell's like capital of like – Capital rocket.

3:11 It's the capital of – Yeah. Love it. All right, so we're just going to go over some things that we're going to talk about today. So I wanted to take a look a little bit into your generation because I quite just don't understand all of you. Ask what? And I'm not that old, but I feel like I'm getting there because I don't understand half the words you say.

3:32 How old are you respectfully? I'm 34. That's so chill. So, yes, I'm full 10 years older than you. Yeah. And I also have a lot of followers that they are a big age range. So I have people who are friends with my parents in their 60s. And then I have listeners that are in their early 20s and late teens.

3:53 Gotcha. So we kind of want to dive into what your dating life looks like right now. It'll be interesting. And yeah, we're just going to get into the ups and downs, work, social media, what's real life, just kind of really just get to know you. Cool. In like a very raw sense. Let's do it. But I just want to start off with something that you once mentioned.

4:23 It must have been on a story about Love Island and you love Love Island. Yeah. What about Love Island do you like? So I'll tell you, I was in 10th grade dating a girl, and she's like, yo, what shows do you watch? Classic question, good conversation starter. And I'm like, oh, this, that. And she's like, you should watch Love Island.

4:40 So I gave it a try, absolutely loved it. Drama back and forth. Huge yon-tiff over there. And then... Like when I got a little bit from in Israel, I kind of stopped because like you're just looking at chicks walking around in bikinis. And then like when I got back from Israel, started watching, started watching.

4:56 My sister, I put her on. And then my sister's like begging me to go on it. Oh. But I feel like if I go on it, I'm like just getting with a bunch of non-Jewish chicks and I might not be a great look for a religious boy from the Five Towns. So probably not going to give it a go, but it would be ideal. Like if I were just like sitting on the couch, go over to a chick, like I believe her a chat, you watch.

5:20 I watched a few episodes. I just feel there's like a lack of brain cells on the show. It's also very planned. It's not real. Oh, it's totally scripted. Like some guy, like the directors would be like, yo, go take that girl for a chat type of vibe. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I get that. All BS. Reality TV is all BS.

5:38 All dating shows are like that. All reality TV show is like that. But I just find it very interesting that I've never met a guy who actually liked Love Island. It's a bit family. Yeah. It's a little. So wait, I do have a question about Love Island. Ask away. If you were able to create your own version of Love Island, but like Jewify it, how would you do it?

6:02 And how do you think it would go? Oh, like Jewish people on Love Island. We could solve the shit crisis. Am I the producer of the show or a mama on the show? What would you rather be? On it. Okay. So you're on it. Birds left and right. And you call the shots. Yeah, bro. I think there would be like a Shabbos thing.

6:23 Like you have to pull a girl for like a Shabbos walk type of vibe. Obviously simmer down on like all those challenges where like you're just like licking Nutella off the other one's foot. I don't think that Jewish people should be doing that. No. I mean like behind closed doors for sure. But like reality TV if you're like, nah, I probably wouldn't do that.

6:43 That's probably how I would Jewify it. Okay. Yeah. It's a little summer campy. Yeah, and maybe like a pillow in between the two of you on the first night. You know what I'm saying? Oh, this is like starting to sound like very – We can make it happen, bro. You know what the problem is is that anyone who's going to go on the show, if they like don't end up with somebody – They're going to be like blacklisted.

7:06 You think single for the rest of their lives? Like for a while. Really? Yeah. I feel like for girls, it's a little more different than guys. And I don't mean to like. Guys get away with everything. Like, yeah, it's just what it is. Yeah. It's what it is. Guys come back from Yeshiva and they were crackheads in high school.

7:20 They flip out. No one cares. It's like a girl goes to Israel. Boom. Sucks. Yeah. There's a double standard. I hate to say it, you know. There is. There is. But that's the world we live in. Double five. How long are you guys married? We're married for like a little over four years. Okay. But it's also each of our second marriages.

7:38 Oh, okay. Yeah. So all my husbands are from the five towns. Gotcha. Lawrence, to be specific. Five towns, toxic place. Oh, we'll get there. We'll get there. I'm not hating. I love the five towns. Well, you live there too. Love, absolutely love. If you're 24 still living at your parents' house in the five towns, you like the five towns.

7:56 I like the five towns a lot, but there's just certain things that, like, obviously I would change, but nothing's perfect. And I would change it if I were to go somewhere. Like, Teaneck, I'd change everything about Teaneck, respectfully. Englewood, solid spot. But, like, you're always going to have problems with wherever you go.

8:12 But I just feel like it's you talk that people always shit on the five towns. Yeah. It is what it is. It is what it is. It's because they ain't us. So, Caleb, we know that you grew up in the five towns. Yeah. When you were in grade school, from elementary through high school, were you like a really popular kid?

8:31 Yeah. Honestly, yeah. I mean, I was on the hockey team. I was always going to open houses, hang out with people. I went to Camp Moreshaw, which is also, I would say, one of the most popular camps. I would say I was one of the popular kids in high school. I had so weird answering that question, but it's just honest truth.

8:47 I mean, I know I wasn't popular, but Zoli wasn't either popular. I think I was one of the popular kids. Okay. So did that give you enough confidence to download Instagram when you were like, how old? 11? No, I think it was more like... Everyone was doing it. I wasn't the most confident. I always had confidence, but I was always scared about what people would think.

9:10 And then I started posting content, and now I don't give a crap. Content changed my life. But back then, I was cool. I was confident. I was popular. But now, content's changed me forever. What gave you that boost to start just posting? I think that I've dated a lot of girls throughout my... high school, yeshiva.

9:29 And I was always doing things for my partner and sacrificing for them rather than putting myself first. And then once I was just single and had my freedom to do my own thing, I went on a Pesach program, made a hole in one. I was like, oh my God, I get to experience this by myself. I don't need to share it with anyone else.

9:47 And it felt so good to do something for myself for once in my life. And then I was just like, I want to be famous. I want to post like, this is what I've been wanting to do. And like, I think I was just held back by not only them but also like rebellion and like my religion and also like what my parents would think what my sister would think my sister hates it but like in the beginning and now like people come up to her and they're like oh like you're Paul and sister and she's like stop stop she loves it What do your parents think about this?

10:13 In the beginning, they were a little bit worried because I was just throwing out dumb videos. I wasn't really getting a lot of views or traction. But now I'm like, I'm going to Miami. I'm collabing with restaurants. I'm on a podcast. Like they see the vision. They're proud of me. My dad's been telling me to do this for years.

10:26 Like post your dumb Tatum videos. Post your Patrick Mahomes stupid videos. And then once I found my voice and I tapped into the Jewish things, I'm like, oh, wow. No one else in the world. can be doing what I'm doing. Everyone can be doing what I'm doing, but no one else is doing it. Right. Like, the way I look and the way I talk, and I'll just throw out, like, the word, like, Olam Haba.

10:47 Like, you're not expecting that from me. Right. You're not expecting the Sanhedrin from me. But I know those type of things. So I think that's why, like, yeah. You're super niche. I appreciate that. I'm just bawling. That's really it. But, like... Your content is so niche and yet your following has grown tremendously.

11:06 Baruch Hashem. It's all in the hands of God. And I mean like it's funny like when I watch your content, it kind of reminds me of myself where when I started this podcast. So I was never really like an influencer. Yeah. But when I started the podcast and I think people were kind of shocked first at the name and a lot of people didn't get the name of the podcast.

11:24 Yeah. And I'm just like, if I have to explain it, then you don't get it. I personally, with all due respect, don't get it. What do you mean? Like I know like the thing is like daddy and like. Right. So what's call her Tati? Wouldn't it be like call her like mommy? No. I'm sure there's a great. I'm just dumb.

11:42 What do you think Tati means? Daddy. Correct. So but you're her unless. What do you think that other podcast is called? Am I being dumb right now? Yeah. So Q give me the rundown? Her podcast is call her daddy. Call her daddy. Yeah. Call her Tati. Uh-huh. It's just a play on words. Gotcha. There's another podcast called Call Her Daddy?

12:03 That is the podcast that this is inspired by. Okay. I didn't know that. Oh, my God. Call her daddy? I know, like... Alex Cooper. Is she valid? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is a moment. Call her daddy. Oh, 3.8 million. I'm going to look like a f***ing idiot. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm the one posting content.

12:26 Oh, my God. I've never seen this girl in my life. What? This blonde chick? Yes. She's bad. Bad, like, good. Like, she's bad. She's married. God, that's... To a nice Jewish girl. Nah. I mean, like, just because there's a goalie doesn't mean I can't score. I saw a really funny thing, and people are not going to like what I have to say.

12:45 Don't let your husband... prevent you from finding your boyfriend. Don't let your husband prevent you from finding your boyfriend. Anyways, so... Why did you start posting content, if you don't mind me asking? Like, what made you, like, just be like, I'm going to start a podcast? I think it's really cool.

13:00 So, honestly, it's all Zoli's fault. I never wanted to be on camera like this. You're good at it. You're smooth. Thank you. Yeah, you're cool. He finds me very funny somehow, some way. He's like, I'm the funniest person in the world to him, which is great because I'm married to him. So he gets free entertainment for life.

13:19 But... I think when we came up with the name of the podcast and we thought about it, I'm like, it fits my personality so much. And he's like, we got to use it. Like, we just got to do it. He also owns a social media agency. Oh, yeah. So he produces it and edits and, you know, does this. So I was like, you know what?

13:40 Why not? What's your nickname for him? Z-Money? Z-Love? Z-Licious? It's not really appropriate for this podcast. Ooh. Zolita but that's a little feminine and poppy sometimes poppy are you like Spanish? no just poppy I mean I live in Miami everyone calls their boyfriends and their sugar daddies here poppy gotcha whatever I wouldn't hate it if a girl called me daddy why do guys like that?

14:12 it's a little creepy no? I don't know girls like things that are also creepy that I'm not gonna bring up on the pod skis but like you know what I'm saying? Some chicks aren't defeated. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand that. Yeah, me personally. Anyway, we're going to talk about the five towns. Let's talk about it.

14:30 Can you explain to somebody who's never been in the five towns what the five towns is like? The five towns, I would say, is like the Jewish Beverly Hills. Not with, like, money and fame and all that stuff. Just, like... No, that was the worst comparison of all time. I'm like, looking at you like, excuse me.

14:52 That was horrible. What I would tell a person, the five towns is just like, where you're going to get all your hock, all your information, shuls on every block, kosher restaurants, no problem. You need a nightlife. There's a little bit of action in Long Beach, 10 minutes away. Rocket city. And... It's a tough explanation, honestly.

15:16 It's just a good place. It's a very family-oriented place, kosher, religious-oriented. A little bit judgy, I will say. A little? A little bit. And that's honestly why I started posting content. I'm going to get deep for a second, by the way. There's another side to me, by the way. Okay. I started posting content to try to inspire and show people that to stop giving about what people think and just like rip the bandaid off and like we're all going to die.

15:44 So like who really cares at the end of the day if like some mom in the five towns is like looking at me and talk about me on a Friday night dinner table. Like go focus on other things like your kids. Look at your own life as opposed to on and hating on someone else. And I think like I just like I feel so much like better that like I can like just walk around and like I go to weddings and like obviously people love me.

16:06 Like I know people hate me and like I love that. I love that so much when people comment and they hate my stuff. It's like, yeah, you hate me for a reason, bro, because you can't do what I'm doing with all due respect, of course. I totally agree. I mean, I get hate all the time on this podcast, too. I'm like, okay, Moishi123 with no profile picture.

16:27 Yeah, PrincessLover69. So why does the five towns get a bad rap when, in theory, it should be so wonderful because of the conveniences in the community? I think there's a big narrative that people are always like, oh, what dress was she wearing? Whose bar mitzvah was better? Who sang? I think a lot of people do that though, but I think Five Towns, you probably see a little bit more of it.

16:57 There's also a lot of drama, but I don't know the drama in Teaneck, Englewood, Scarsdale because I don't live there and I'm not in that community. But the five towns, like there is drama. There is things that happen. But like that's also just life. Like that's not only the five towns. It's just because we live in our own bubble.

17:14 So we think that it's only us and people look at it and they hear certain things about us. I don't know. It's tough. I love my community. I'm not hating on my community. All five towns. I love you guys for life. But that is the narrative that people give off. And also just like the money. Like everyone's so obsessed about money and who's coach nicer and who wears the Montclair and the Canada Goose to school.

17:34 That's just the way it is. And oh, she was wearing the Van Cleef, which I see you got like three on right there. Shout out Zoli. They're my trophies. No, it's great. It's always a chick. Mostly my real estate ones. My mom also is very like, Stephen, time for a new bag. She's into that stuff also. It's girls stuff.

17:55 I'm not kidding. Yeah. I just like these things for myself. Me too. Not to show off. Like I'm not a... You ever heard of a Gen K? I do. I like that. It's a black diamond tennis. I tried it. You got a matching chain? Yeah, man. Oh. My mom got this for my birthday and Gen K... It's the goat. I notice you're a jewelry guy.

18:15 Yeah. About watches. I love watches, but I think God can afford it, but it would damage me a lot if I were to go drop the bag on a watch as opposed to dropping a bag when I'm, like, older. And I just, I don't need a watch right now. Yeah. No girl's going to go out with me because I'm wearing a Rolex as opposed to if I'm not.

18:33 Like, it doesn't make a difference to me. Okay, we're going to get back to the Five Towns spiel. Enough with the Five Towns. Is there any place you avoid in the Five Towns? Maybe, you know, if you go somewhere, people will, like... Pound you or like Central Avenue I try to avoid Just cause like I literally have people in my DMs Like yo like we go to Central During lunch just to see if you're gonna be there Like whatever I mean like they're just fans And like they also I'm giving them something that they've never seen before Yeah On social media and like I do have a public figure presence Per se I don't hate Central I love it I grew up on that street But I didn't grow up on that street other from Woodmere But like you know what I'm saying Yeah

19:15 But yeah, I try to avoid Central just because it's huge. Hawk Central. It's Hawk Central. Five top – sorry. Top five. Top five restaurants in the five towns. In the towns? Yeah. In the towns. Hmm. Number one – I feel like it's just like a no question can't miss whenever you're hungry. Are you asking like fancy or whatever?

19:40 All of it. Can I get a Nick rip before I answer this? Sure. Because I'm like I promote some restaurants. So like I need to like think, you know, I think holy schnitzel. Number one. Okay. Just doesn't miss. I'll go Doma at the two spot. Doma's a hot spot. Underrated spot. And I also love it because I play at the golf course called Lawrence Yachting Country Club.

20:02 They opened up a restaurant called MG Craft Kitchen. Phenomenal. Great restaurant. Phenomenal food. Great service as well. Four spot. Underrated. Slept on. Row Row Chicken. Row Row Chicken. It's kind of like... Damn, I'm blanking out. It's like Raising Cane's, but kosher. Oh. Chicken nuggets in like the bucket of sauce.

20:24 Yum. Very nice. Five spot. Maybe like a pizza place? I don't like pizza. I prefer salad. Really? Yeah. Interesting. Healthy. I try to stay in shape. Okay. Number five? Or maybe like sushi? Love sushi. Sushi Tokyo. Yeah, number five, Sushi Tokyo. Pokeball from Sushi Tokyo. Correct. Okay. One day you'll be a parent, God willing.

20:47 I'm here to share. And if you're in the five towns, where would you choose to send your kids to school? Hal, DRS. Okay. That was a very quick answer. Shout out Rabbi Komonetsky and Rabbi Fogle. Where is the best kiddish in the five towns? DSM Minion. Either John Globoff's house or Mike DX's house. Oh, you have this down pat.

21:10 Down pat. And I didn't even prepare for this. This is just where I went, you know? That's where I go. Happens to be. Oh, Stan Bischofsky also sometimes hosts. Sick kiddish. Sick kiddish. What makes a kiddish sick? Alcohol. Yo, that was the quickest answer ever. That was a good clip. You don't eat? No, like obviously I'm a big herring guy.

21:31 How are you? Like the lachmagin and like the fishes, but like the alcohol, bro. What's your go-to drink? Macallan 12. Okay. I don't like tequila. Vodka is like I can get by. Like the ALB vodka is the best. But like scotch, like my dad always like, not an alcoholic, but like he likes to have drinks in the house.

21:48 And like sometimes like Friday night, like we'll take a drink together every Shabbos. Like he goes home scotch and herring. And like that's just like what I grew up on. And like I kind of adapted to that. I'm not an alcoholic, but if there's alcohol in front of me, I will never say no. I grew up in a household where we always had alcohol.

22:04 But you know what's interesting? I find that if you grew up in a household where on Shabbos, if everybody's drinking at the table and you're not even 21 yet, but you're also like you're not getting into a car, you're not texting somebody, you're not doing anything. And maybe you're like 16 years old, especially for a boy.

22:20 If it's so exposed to you at such a young age, there's like so little motivation to go ham when you turn 21. Not me. Oh, I don't know. I mean, I feel like I feel like for me, I would like I grew up with it. So like when I turned 21, I'm like, oh, yeah, my first drink. No. Yeah. What do you mean? I would take a shot at 16 years old of like Glenn Livet, like, I don't know, whatever.

22:48 Mm hmm. And it was just like, okay. The thing is, I've been in between the fish and the soup. Yes, mix the scotch with the herring. Yes, of course. I've been going ham since like 18, like senior year open houses. Like just always just like, but now I'm like 24. Like it's hard. Like it does a lot to your body.

23:06 Like I can't just go out till 3 a.m., wake up at 9 a.m. the next day. Like I am a mess. 21, 22, I was sending every night bachelor parties, raves, Long Beach, Long Beach, Long Beach. Now it's like it does a lot to you. Yeah. No, alcohol, it really – I mean I've always been like a lightweight, which is great because after like one or two drinks, I'm done.

23:28 Yeah. But like you feel like garbage the next day. Yeah. You got to drink a lot of water and like you got to make a nice breakfast in the morning with eggs. Also eating when you drink also kind of helps. Yeah. I think also at the Shabbos table, if it's going to enhance your closeness to God and just put you in a better mood rather than like, oh, it's Shabbos and you get to just enjoy a little more and the alcohol is going to get you from there to there, I think 100%.

23:57 The spiritual experience. Yeah, I'm not recommending and advising people to do it, but for me, it's... Honestly, I'm lying. I don't do it to get closer to God. I do it for myself. I think there is a difference when people drink to enjoy the experience and, like, have a good time. And then you have, like, some of these guys who go to kiddish club and they get trashed.

24:17 Yeah. It's actually funny. My dad is, like, the number one, like... advocate of like have two three drinks vibe relax and like he always like gets mad at me because like when we do kiddush together like whatever like friday night like i'm just like i can't just have one two three i need to have like six seven eight you know what i'm saying he's like one two like feels good i'm like i want to i don't want to feel anything do you need an intervention i don't know i need god i need a god is here god is here he's everywhere yeah like i need him I need to speak to him.

24:49 Talk to him. Like one-on-one, I'm saying. Yeah. I need answers. I talk to him a lot. Do you speak to him? Yeah. Absolutely. What does he say? Oh. Oh, I have dreams. I have, like, visions. No, no, no. You're tripping. You're tripping. No. Ask Zoli. Ask him. Z-Dog. I literally, I have, like, a sixth sense.

25:10 It's creepy. I hate it. It's cool, though. It's kind of cool. You might be like Mashiach. You might be like third coming of Patrick Mahomes. Okay. You know Badger? I do. You know Jason Tatum? I think so. Can you describe what your day off looks like? You're not posting content. You're chilling. It's not Shabbos.

25:31 Golf course. Okay. Golf course. Enjoy myself. That's my therapy. When there's a lot going on and there's too much and everyone's in my DMs reaching out to me, promote this, do this, do that. Can you send me a video and say happy birthday? I'm just like, oh my God. This is a lot. It is what I wanted, obviously, and I love the fans.

25:47 I love the people, but I'm a human being and sometimes it does become a lot. when I go out in public and everyone's coming up to you, like, I gotta be on my A-game because if I, like, mess up some kid's day, why am I getting carried away with this? You asked me a simple question. What more of my day off looks like?

26:02 Go. Okay. It's like you and Kim Kardashian basically have the same life. Okay. Let's talk about content creation. Okay. So, as a guy who I would say is in the religious content space... And you're not really competing with other content creators, but there's a lot of females, a lot of women in that space.

26:28 And, you know, you're growing your following. You definitely have a niche, but you also have boys, girls, men, and women all follow you. How would you say your... your content is like substantially different from other content creators. I think I'm posting a lot of, like, not just one thing. And I'm just like posting my life.

27:00 Like, for example, there's comedians, there's people who do podcasts. I'm like, yo, like, I'm going to Miami, come experience it with me. I'm going to play golf, come experience it with me. I throw out a Jewish joke, I do a food review. I also think like, something that's so beautiful that when people say to me, and like, it makes my day is when like, I meet them and they're like, yo, person and I think sometimes with like content creators even celebrities and going back to what I was saying before I like a kid comes up to you on the street and like you need to be on your a game because like me growing up like seeing these celebrities or seeing these people like they are different in person as opposed to what they show on the internet and I'm just trying to keep it authentic keep it a buck keep it 100% and I think there are content creators out there like that but that's what I would say that I'm a little bit different in

27:49 Yeah. I mean, I do know some content creators that are very authentic, and then some of them are a totally different person off camera. Yeah, we don't have to mention names. We're not going to mention names. I mean, I've been told, like, people are like, oh my God, I thought you were such a bitch. I'm like, how do you not know that I am one?

28:07 I mean, sometimes I can be. Whatever. Don't make me that person. That's funny. But, I mean, yeah, I mean, people, like, kind of... look at social media they take everything at face value and like oh look this person is like this and then when they meet them in person it's like okay get a photo with you and like some influencers are like yeah i grew up like going up to these basketball players and golfers and like when like they don't do it it's like you hate them forever right so it's like i i like i love it one i love it and two like you asked me like the days off and i just don't have it like i need to perform in chosen island and be like yo like we got a pick and i'm like yeah bro for sure i love you you know so it's really about maintaining your personal brand yeah like that's what i'm building off camera yeah like i'm dropping hats and like i want people to buy them not only because they like the hat and it's tough but like they want to support me and support my goals and what i'm trying to do and you know i'm trying to make the world a better place correct

29:10 You took Lizzie Savetsky golfing. How'd that go? Shebang. I'm kidding. The outfit wasn't really for golf, but okay. She's actually someone who's the same on camera as to in person. I think it's really cool how she does not care what people think, and I respect her for that. The golf was great, honestly.

29:31 It was really fun. She goes on my PESOC program. I went on this... dating thing and all my friends were telling me to go on it after the the show she came up to me she's like what's your name what's your content whatever and then i'm like yo people always tell me like i need to collab with you like pga my mom loves you come golfing with me took her golfing and now like it's like a whole thing like yo paul and savatsky and like i just like make up about it like you know she's a great girl she's awesome So when it comes to being authentic on Instagram, we know that you do a lot of food reviews.

30:05 Have you ever experienced... Bad food, yes. Like trash food? And what do you do? Do you post about it or do you just like say, bro, like I can't do this, I can't lie? There has been times where I'll send it to the person and I'll be like, I know you sent me this specific item. I'm not putting it in the reel because it was doll shit.

30:28 Um, obviously it's a business and like sometimes like they pay you to do it and like people will ask me for my personal opinion on it and I will say like yes or no. Now I'm very select and like you can even see on my Instagram I don't do a lot of food reviews and I'm very select to what I'm doing and if I don't like it.

30:48 like I'll do it and then like we'll discuss a price I'm like if I like it this is what's gonna happen I just did one with a pure bakes by Danielle and like it was actually like amazing and I was so happy and then I told her like I want to post it close the deal thank god all went well So do you arrange that you only get paid if you're going to post it?

31:08 If I enjoy it. It used to be like I was just trying to get content, do food reviews, post everything, make money. Now it's like I can't promote everything and I don't want someone to go to a certain spot and hate it because of me. Right. Because I created this image and now I'm trying to be very select.

31:24 What an answer, Paul. And hold on. That was good. But, like, it's true. Like, I've been to so many places where I've seen, I guess, on Instagram, like, all these, like, food reviewers and whatever. And they're like, oh, my God, it's amazing. And you get there and it's like a $50 appetizer that tastes so mediocre.

31:41 That's why I stopped just promoting everything. You got to be very select. Yeah. I like that. Very genuine. Yeah. That was a great answer. Oh, my God. All right. I'm going to get into. The eyes. The eyes. Some of the more Jewish sort of spiel and language that you tend to use on Instagram. What's the schmoner?

32:08 Oh, God. You want to get into this? I'm actually going to put my hat forward for this. This might be a clip. Because the first time I heard it in your reel, I was like, pardon me? Okay, so I'll tell you what a schmoner is, but first I'm going to give you the background of what it is. It's a terrible word.

32:21 The background of why I posted the video is because people know what a schmoner is. I didn't know that that was a word. People thought that schmoner, I was just referring to schmona S-ray. Once they find out what the word schmoner is, they're going to go back to the video and be like, oh my God, do you know what this means?

32:35 A schmoner is a schmona S-ray boner. Got it. Okay, I got half of the... Yeah. Okay. It's a schmona S-ray erection. Okay. Yeah. when does somebody tend to get them? It's just like a more of like a roaner. Like it's a random boner. I can't relate. It's just random. I personally don't. Boy things. Yeah.

33:00 Also like, yeah. You got them. You got them. Not like during young camp. I will speak with my husband about this and see if he's ever experienced that. Like a Saturday afternoon, Machitz is down. Maybe you're popping schmoners there, you know? Oh, my God. Okay. Speaking of schmoners, notice how a lot of words, Shabbos dick, yontif dick.

33:30 Penny Advia. Like what like to like what does that mean to you when we say like Shabbos dick yunt dick? I don't get it You don't get it video about it about how some guy came over to me on the Pesach program I was ripping my nicotine. He's like yo, is that Shabbos dick? And I was like yo, what? I was like yo dad you have Shabbos dick.

33:52 I Mean, I know it's like a term to like express Like when someone says like... It's like a Yiddish thing. I don't know. I don't get it. I think it just means like something like appropriate for like Shabbos or Yantish. Yeah, but why the word dick? I don't know. And I shouldn't know because I do know a tiny bit of Yiddish, but I just don't know why.

34:13 I don't know. Yeah, I don't get it. It's one of those things we'll just never know. There's a lot of like stuff on this card, honestly. Can I see the card you printed out? I just want to like see what it looks like. Wow. Oh, my God. Yeah. There's just like a lot. But I kind of want to get into like juicier stuff.

34:32 Let's talk juice. Let's talk dating. Yay. Let's talk tea. Okay. So everybody's getting engaged. Okay. And not everybody, but I'm sure you're at that point in your life where your friends are dating seriously, getting engaged, getting married. Is your schedule like filling up with like engagements and weddings?

34:54 Yeah, of course. Okay. So what's your life update now? I'm chilling. Are you seeing anybody? Like. Maybe a little cash? Not really. Like casual. Okay. Nothing too serious. I've just been like dating, like obviously I'm looking for that girl, what I want, and I just don't think I've found her yet. It's also very tough when I'm a presence on social media and it's like, I am not gonna settle for anything less of what I don't want.

35:31 And you have girls reaching out to you, sorting into your DMs, moms coming up to you at weddings and like, I don't want to settle for anything less. And I've been with girls. And, like, I wouldn't say I'm picky. But I would just say that, like, I just don't think I've found my wife yet. That's fine. Yeah.

35:54 You should take your time. But it's already tough in that world because, like... Like you just go through the DMs and like it's tough. It's interesting because I feel like there are some girls out there who kind of get the ick when it comes to guys being on social. Yeah, 100%. Have you ever gone out with a girl who didn't even know you were on social?

36:12 No. Or are they all – Oh, like previous to social media, yeah. But like when I was posting content, all the girls knew that I was like on Instagram. Okay. That I've been with. And they were into it. Yeah. Like I know that I lost, like when I started posting, I'm like, there's going to be girls out there that aren't going to want to go out with me because I'm posting content.

36:30 But also there's going to be girls that want to go out with me because I post content. I have the confidence and I don't care. And if there's a girl out there that doesn't want to go out with me because I'm posting content, then okay, you're just not my wife. Like, I don't care. All I need is one girl at the end of the day to want me.

36:44 Yeah. I've had like a bunch. I've went on dates. I've things didn't work out, you know. But what's interesting is I think that for girls, because I personally never really dated anybody besides maybe like one person who had like a social media presence. Oh, yeah. And then when I started dating my husband, I was like he was on social and he was like kind of big.

37:07 But then he grew and like I kind of had the ick. But at the end of the day, I'm like, you know what? Yeah. Yeah. grow the business. Yeah, it's new Gen Z. As you said, personal brand is huge. Like, if you go to like, like, I've just been playing golf at the craziest courses. And this has nothing to do with money, just more connections.

37:45 If I wasn't posting content, I wouldn't get those opportunities. Wouldn't be in Miami right now. I wouldn't. Like if someone were to tell some kid on LinkedIn or WhatsApp, like, yo, I need someone to talk about this on social media. You know, anyone, Caleb Holland, that's all these people reaching out to me.

37:59 I'm posting stories for people. I'm saying no to people. I'm saying yes. My phone's flooded. Like I need someone to like manage. If there's a manager out there that wants to manage my life, please. I do all this myself. I have people on the side that like reach out, get me deals. I have someone who made my hats, but like my DMs, like I'm, Eritz, she yawned if I'm tired.

38:22 If you were a Shachan and you had to describe yourself, how would you describe yourself? Oh, I like this question. If I was a shachan and I had to describe myself, I'd say I'm very caring and emotional. I'm funny. I'm confident. I'm athletic. I can get a little bit jealous at times. A little bit, which some girls don't like, some girls do like.

38:50 I don't really care. You seem like the sensitive type. Yeah, I am. Like, I cry. I need attention. Like, if you're being mean to me, totally valid with me all day. But, like, there needs to be compliments with that. Right. If I take off my shirt, like, I need you to be like, oh, you look good. Rather than like, ew, like you have chest hair.

39:08 Got it. Like, nah, bro. So what's like your ideal type? Like what's your personality? Sexy baby face. Oh, like my type and a girl. Yes. Like, do you like girls who are a little more alpha? Do you like girls who like... I like a girl who's like shy, but also like knows her place and like has a personality.

39:28 Like we go out to dinner, I'm talking to the waiter. I'm opening the door for you. I'm doing everything. But like, obviously, I don't want the girl to be like nothing. Like I can't have a girl with a massive, massive personality just because I am a selfish person. And like I like to be like center of retention.

39:41 Self-awareness. awareness yeah like honestly like it takes away and i've dated girls with big personalities i've dated girls with shy i need a girl like right in the middle you like a healthy medium yeah like i need a girl who's like shy and cute but like boys with my friends and like yo what's up like barry and like nathan like i need that shout out to my boys do you have like a first go-to date spot i did but i took like six girls there and none of them worked out so not anymore i'm And the waiter's like, and you're back.

40:14 I actually had that to me once. That's so funny. He was at La Marais. La Marais is a cool spot. Many years ago, went on a date with a guy. Nice guy. Was not ready for a relationship. Yeah. I go bars usually first date. I think dinner on first dates with girls is like, no girl's going to eat on a first date.

40:31 Are you kidding me? I stuck my face. I'm like, bro, you going to finish that? Yeah. I'm sorry. That's hilarious. Not respect. But wait, so I went to La Marais and then I had a second date lined up because I was coming in from LA because that's where I'm from. And so I was like, I'm not going to like waste my time with just flying in for one guy who like I kind of was like, I don't even know if I want to go out with him to begin with.

40:58 So I kind of lined up something for the next night. I know I was one of those people. um he didn't tell me where we were going and he took me to l'amore so i went to l'amore twice in row i sat this exact same table and i had the exact same waiter and literally the waiter was like taking my order and he's like do i know you literally like no probably someone who just looks just like me the guy i was on the date with was like are you here last night i'm like no ah that's great that's good content But it's a cool building, like the colors and stuff.

41:34 It's SLS. SLS? Yeah. Bar. It's a great place to live. This is sick. This is so hot. Would you ever take a girl out in the five towns? If she's not from the five towns, I would rip a Doma or a bistro. If she's from the five towns, probably not, unless she's like my girlfriend and like she's by my house and we're local.

41:55 Would you ever date someone from out of town? Yeah. I would date anyone. I don't care. Okay. I think, by the way, I think women, even if they don't want to go out for dinner on a first date, you always offer if they're coming in from another state or another city. Just as like a nice gesture. Like, do you want to go for dinner or drinks?

42:13 Sometimes they'll just say drinks. Yeah. But like sometimes if a girl's coming in, she's like, okay, do you want to go for drinks at 7? Like, what am I doing for dinner? I'm more like, yo, like, you free at this time? Okay, cool. This is where I'm taking you. Just so you can plan your outfit. Are you like the type of guy who likes to go for an earlier date or a later date?

42:29 Late night. Bad things happen after 11. Yeah, but like also like people are tired. Yeah. I mean like Saturday night's obviously late. But like week, probably picking the girl up at 8. Okay. Get her home by 11. Okay. Less things go places, 12.30. Ooh. Correct. We're going to play a little game now. Let's play a game.

42:53 That's a rapid fire. Oh, shit. Okay. Okay, so I'm going to give you a name of an influencer, and you have to describe them in one—oh, you do the little donuts. And you have to describe them in one word. Quick? Like, am I, like, five, four, three, two, one? Whatever comes to your mind, unless it's, like, horrific, but, like, I'm going to say a name, and you just give me your first adjective of them.

43:21 All right, let's do it. And by the way, I think I know all these people besides like maybe two. I might not know who they are. I think you would. Hopefully. Okay. Took us over a dish. Unbelievable. Bought your wife. OD. What? OD. She's too much. What does OD mean? Like you OD on something, you have too much of it.

43:44 Oh, okay. Respectfully. Lizzie Svetsky. Rocket. Dove Neuberger. Hilarious. Now Jewish nanny. I don't really see her so much. She seems cute. Gabe Einhorn. Hostler. Collar Tati. Legend. Frumi Tabenfeld. Nice person. That's more than one word. You could just say nice. Nice. Okay. We're going to go in the Caleb Dictionary.

44:13 What does rocket mean? An attractive woman. Valid. Also an attractive woman, but a little bit less than Rocket. I can't. Correct. It's correct. Can you elaborate correct? Because we know what correct means. Correct. But like when... It's just an amazing word. Use it in a sentence. And you can use it for everything.

44:39 Oh, in a sentence? I don't know if you can really use it in a sentence as much as like, yo, like if you were to ask me like, yo, is your bracelet Gen K? Correct. Rather than saying like, yes, it's correct. But you can't just say correct. It's correct. Okay. Correct. Lightwork. Lightwork. Like easy. What?

45:00 Like 25 pound dumbbells, lightwork, easy. Okay. Yontif. Yontif. Like it's just a production. Like me going to Miami, my flight getting delayed from 11.15 to 3. Then going to the freaking get my rental car and I have to send him a picture to make sure. That's a Yontif. It's like an avoider. No, it's just like a lot.

45:21 Like it's just like a lot going on. Pure. Pure. Like you hit a seven hour in the fairway, you take a divot, put it at seven feet, pure. I have no idea what you just said. Okay. Pure is like your diamond ring, pure. Pure. Correct. Correct. We went through OD already. Yeah. Studying the tape. Oh, like watching film, like studying the tape.

45:45 Like studying the tape, like you're going over, like if you're stalking like a girl's Instagram per se, like you're studying tape. Like you're just, you're looking at film, like just to see if she's like, if she's. Are these in gear words? No, studying tape. Studying tape is like a football terminology or a basketball terminology of like, you're studying tape on another team to prepare yourself for the game.

46:05 So it's like studying tape on a girl to prepare yourself for the day type of vibe. Or if you're signing. I feel like I'm in the wrong generation here. Mm-hmm. I want you to define some things for me. Ask what? Maybe you do know these words, maybe you don't. Schlepp. Schlepp? Schlepp. Schlepp? Like to sleep?

46:25 No. Like you took a schlepp? Oh, schlepp! Schlepp! Like, oh, it's a schlepp! Like if I were to walk home right now, two hours, it's a schlepp. Like when a chazan drags out the freaking... Shleppy. He's schleppy, yeah. How would you describe nachas? Nachas. Like, my dad's going to get nachas that I'm on this podcast because he's a fan of you.

46:48 Fabringin'. Fabringin', like kiddish. Like, you're just like, fabringin' it with the boys. You're just drinkin'. Massive fabringin'. Do you fabringin'? I fabringin' at Long Beach. Spilkas No idea Really? Spilkas? Like MILFs? What? Well, I don't know What? What is that? Spilkas I don't know Spilkas is like anxiety Like you're on Spilkas You're on edge Oh I thought it was like She's a Spilka I feel like I'm teaching you Some words now This is so amazing Spilka Geschmack Geschmack Geschmack to be it I went to DRS Like it's Geschmack Like the fact that I put on Filin every day It's Geschmack That's Geschmack Tachlis.

47:33 Tachlis. Like the tachlis of it. The meaning of it. Like the... Right? It's like the... Like the... Tachlis. Underneath of it. Like the... It's like... What's the tachlis of chapstick to keep your... Like tachlis dick. Like... I don't know, honestly. How would I describe it? How would you describe it?

47:51 I mean... Tachlis. Like... No. Tachlis is like the bottom line. It's like... It's like... Like what's the tachlis? No fluff. Like what's the tachlis? Shh. is that a known word yiddish word spilkas spilkas is that a very is it a known yiddish word because me saying milfs is going to go so viral hilarious i don't know milfs spilkas i mean i'm sure there are milfs on spilkas that makes sense for sure and we're gonna do one more word define it heimish or hamish heimish heimish heimish heimish You're not a Shabbat Shalom guy, are you?

48:27 Or are you Kachavis? Kachavis. Shabbat Shalom's so guy. I don't do Shabbat Shalom. Yeah, if you're a Kachavis type of guy. Kachavis. Or pajamas. What? Pajamas. Sounds like Kachavis. What? Pajamas. I'm not following you. Yeah. Or like Chok Samayach. You can hit a little Chok Samayach. I have one more game for you, and I think you're going to love it.

48:49 Oh, God. Shtup, marry, kill. Tate McRae, Sabrina Carpenter, Zara Larson. Okay, marry Tate. I knew that. Zara Larson, kill Sabrina. Okay, that was fast. Yeah, she's too, like, Zara's, I think, Zara Larson, am I tripping or is she bad? Zara Larson. She's pretty good. Yeah, oh my God, dude. Yeah, oh my, she's valid.

49:17 She's valid. Marry Tate McRae. Yeah, I know. You love her. Why? Because I think she's very talented, and she's giving us, like, that Beyonce, like, sexiness and cool energy that we haven't had in a while. Because, like, you had, like, the Ariana Grandes, the Rihannas, the Sizzas, the Taylor Swifts. And Tate's just very, like, sexy.

49:37 And, like, she sings. And, like, she's just cool, bro. And she's so hot. I like her. I'd marry Tate, yeah. Yeah. I'd convert for her, you know what I'm saying? Do you have any questions for me? Let me think. You did at the beginning. I did. I did. I did. I did. You know what? Actually, no. There's one more thing I want to bring up.

50:00 You have an obsession with your eyes. Can we get into that before we wrap up? I'll honestly tell you, when I grew up, I had like these brown eyes. And then you guys aren't going to believe me. But when I fell in love with the Boston Celtics, like Rondo, Isaiah Thomas, Terry Rozier, like the early stages, like my eyes went green.

50:20 And like I do like my eyes. And also like when I go on dates, like these girls always say, like, you have really nice eyes, you have nice eyes. So like take pride in my eyes. I like my eyes. You really do like your eyes. Yeah. Is that your favorite thing about yourself? Nah. What's your favorite thing about yourself?

50:38 Favorite thing about myself? Just like being outgoing and friendly with everyone. And I think that being nice to people and being friends with people and like just... I think God put me in this world to just put a smile on people's faces. That's my favorite thing about myself, that quality. That I could just walk into a room and put a smile on someone's face.

51:00 And if you have one message to leave with all of these listeners and viewers, what is one message that Caleb Pollan wants to leave with everybody? I think that in life... you're always scared about what people are going to say, people are going to think. And I think if you just rip that bandaid off, and this is coming from someone that like, I'm not going to say I dealt with anxiety, but like I definitely was anxious about like what people would think and like what to wear all the time.

51:26 And like now, like I genuinely don't care. I think just go for it. And if there's something you want to do and there's a girl you want to speak to or there's something you want to talk about on social media, just go for it. Obviously, content's not for everyone, but if it's something that you want to do and you inspire to do, then definitely do it.

51:41 And not only content, just in life, just go do it, be a doer. Because you don't want to look back on yourself when you're 35 and be like, oh, that could have been me. All right. That was deep. Oh, that was some good choice of words. Appreciate it. All right, Caleb. Well, thank you so much for coming on Caller Tati.

51:55 Thanks for having me. And guys, we will see you next time. Go follow Caller Tati. She's the GOAT and behind the scenes, the Z-Man as well. Hobby. There he is. Yay! Someone shouts me out, finally!