Ben Johnson reflects after reviewing tape of Week 3 win

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Touched down with Ben. Crowd was berserk. We were entertained last night.

Yeah.

You know, I think it was one of the most well-coached games on both sides of the football and including special teams that I've ever seen. There are so many interesting things that were done during the course of the game that impacted the direct result of the play's offense, defense, and special teams. So you really enjoy it if you do enjoy the game of football to watching the creativity of the coaching staffs there. But it's super entertaining from the fans because they didn't know what to expect when they got there. You heard a lot of negative stuff being said, but nobody realized this is the same team they beat a year ago in their own building. Why couldn't they do it again in their own building?

It was a soul-sucking win, honestly. I mean, honestly, that is just the physicality by which they played with the shutdown.

I mean, it's rare that you see Jalen Hurts.

Holding on to the football for a long time. It's rare to see that front get, you know, they were tough on the run, obviously. They were tough on the run, but it was just the commitment to it and making things challenging for that defensive front.

I can't wait to hear.

What you have to say about what Ben, the creativity of the run game and what he threw at those.

He threw a lot at the Eagles.

He did. And even he mentioned it in the interview that everybody's going to hear that he didn't know or didn't think he was going to throw the ball as much as he did early in the game that he did, but they were having success. They were using multiple targets and they weren't giving the chance for the Eagles defensively to hone in and try to take out one player.

Because as soon as you try to take out one player, Ben hits you with three more. And so I think that's the fun of it. But to me as an appreciation for watching the line of scrimmage, I enjoyed the line of scrimmage as much as I did watching the playmakers make plays.

How about the invitation to open up your mind a little bit? Hey, here's Joe Tooney playing right guard. Oh, here's Darnell Wright playing left tackle. Theo Bennett at left guard. I mean, the movement, that block by Tooney, nicking the defense. Just, I mean, what a job. And then there were moments where they were just mashing.

One-on-one blocks. Everybody had a hat on a hat, Tommy.

You know, to me, I don't want to fail to mention Garrett Bradbury because he received a lot of criticism by some of the things that happened in the difficult Minnesota game. But he came off and he probably played his best game of the year in terms of physical and intelligence. And I really helped this offensive line play as a whole because what he was able to do in his volume cadence relationship with Case Keenum, plus the adjustments that he was able to make at the line of scrimmage.

How about the hard count?

The hard count is something that Case is probably as familiar with as a weapon than any other quarterback they have on the team. He's used it in a variety of teams that he's played with, and he used it in a variety of ways. The hard count that he used the other day to get Philly to jump off sides, there's probably five or six hard counts he has in his pocket, depending upon the down and distance in what he's trying to get. So you don't want to use them all in the same game. You want to always keep a couple in your hip pocket like that extra bullet.

And the quarterback sneak.

It's surprising because what we've, we've seen quarterback sneaks recently run by the bears, but because of the athleticism of a guy like Caleb, they're a little bit more aware of it. I think they unsuspectedly got hit by the quarterback sneak by the bears because they never thought that, Oh, they're going to let pace Keenum run the ball, you know, have a quarterback sneak. They're not getting great push up front.

So I don't think it'll work. Well, they got a great push up front and they got them all the way full body into the end zone. Yeah.

Mike Martz special, apparently, and the sucker sneak.

You're trying to capture the attention of dominant players, whether it's on the defensive line or the linebacker position. And they have obligations according to the huddle called no matter.

What the Bears do.

And if their guy, their responsibility takes them in a certain direction, they got to go. They can't sit there and assume or presume that they're trying to outsmart you.

And when it works.

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Absolutely. And we talked about it. You know, we always want to play well at home. We want to protect Soldier Field as much as we can. And, you know, our guys think about that a lot, but we got to get them something to be excited about. And so to see our offense take the field to start the game and go down and score a touchdown, I thought that got the spark going. You know, our special teams unit, Played really well throughout the game. Then defensively, getting some key stops, the takeaways. You certainly could feel the crowd come alive every time a big play was had.

The impact of and on Case Keenum. You know him better than any of us after getting to know him over the course of this year plus. What did this mean to him last night? And especially to share it with his family. I mentioned to you during our post-game broadcast, interview, uh, his daughter with her, uh, bell bottom special made bears pants, uh, the hug, you could feel the emotion, uh, as a dad, you must, uh, appreciate that a great deal.

What it meant.

It was, yeah, it was, it was huge. Um, gives you chills thinking about it. You know, his kids really haven't had a chance to see him play and now they're old enough. And I think they can appreciate it even, even more obviously at this point, but, um, you know, when I called him a year and a half ago and, and you know, we talked about what the role would be and how he could help contribute to this football team. He, he made a comment too. He's like, yeah, I understand.

And being an old, old head in a, in a young quarterback room and how I can help. He's like, but just so you know, I can still win games in this league. And, you know, I, I always remember that about him. He, he still hadn't lost that, that, that little fire, you know, was still burning bright. And he knew deep down that he still had it. We saw it, of course, on the practice field. We saw it in the preseason. And I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised to see him go out there and play the way that he did and will list a victory like that.

It was awesome to see. It was inspiring.

Yeah, it is.

And when you break down the math, I don't know if your numbers are the same as the reported numbers that you read about, but 11 for 11 against the Blitz. At one point, I know Doug Klede, our statistician, had him 11 of 11 throwing the ball on first down.

That's pretty good.

True or false, there were some blind throws there. He's throwing to an area where he knows his talent is going to be, but I don't know if he actually saw it.

Yeah, no, I mean, and that's, that's once again, that's, that's a darn good Philadelphia front and, uh, they were, they were making it difficult and collapse in the pocket. They're really difficult to block, uh, especially one-on-one. And so they were able to find some, some cavities in there and put some pressure on them. And, and to your point, he knew where his guys were going to be and they were there for him. Um, he had a couple of big ones there to Luther that come to mind.

The one, the, the Calife running across the field was, was phenomenal. Um, He had a lot of those where he trusted the people around him. So that was great to see, especially for a guy that hadn't had much time on task with those particular pass catchers also. Huge week of preparation last week, and you could kind of feel going into the game that he had a lot of confidence in those guys.

And the run game came alive.

And when you break it down and watch some individual runs, you guys, again, were mashing.

They were mashing.

Right? Yeah.

Yeah. They were going, they were going and listen, there's, there's a number of the number of those that we got to take a look at and learn from particularly early on. We just didn't feel like we were hitting the efficiency rate that we would like. We had more negative runs in that game than, than we want in any particular game there. So it, there, there is a lot to improve upon and yet there is an element of, man, stay with it, stay patient, trust that our big guys are going to end up wearing on them eventually, and that's what happened. You know, you get control of the game like that, up a couple scores, and you want to be able to impose your will and finish the game with the football. And so it was really good

to see. I thought Swifty and Kyle both, ran really hard once again.

I don't know if it's intentional, but I noted that before the game, you're the only team in the league that had a true 50-50% run pass. Really rare in today's league. In the old days, no. And you were 50-50 again pretty much last night. By design, by intention, or just the way it flowed?

It's just the way it went. It's not even.

Did you even know you were 50-50 this year?

No, no, no.

It's nothing that I even think about, to be honest with you. I go within the flow of the game. I leaned a little bit heavier in the pass early in that game, and I really felt like I needed to. I wasn't feeling the line of scrimmage shift the way that it did maybe in the Carolina game. I wasn't feeling it, so I think probably the numbers evened back out as the game went and we got into the fourth quarter there, but it's not something that I'm conscious.

It's not like I'm sitting there on the sideline asking the guys upstairs, what's my run-pass ratio on first down? That's not it. That's not how we call it. And yet, I feel like it just naturally goes the way it needs to go.

I mean, a lot of coaches don't stick to it. And, you know, this whole notion, too, that you've got to have a running game to have play-action impact.

I mean, the motion.

is causing as much disturbance that creates a running game, uh, as anything I would imagine.

Right. Well, yeah, we, we try, we try to use our motion to manipulate the fronts a little bit and create good angles. Um, and, and the more we can try to understand the rules of the defense, it certainly helps. You can, you can anticipate what, how they're going to adjust and where you can put them. And, uh, we, we do try to compromise that to a degree, but, um, End of the day, you need smart players. They've got to trust their training, and we have that. We've got a good group up front. They've seen a lot. We're able to load them up, and it's a credit to them and their coaches. I think Dan and Kyle DeVan, both those guys in the O-line room, they're phenomenal.

And so is Dennis Allen. I believe he's underrated as a defensive coordinator. You guys have allowed three points in the second half over the last two weeks, fewest by any team in the NFL over the last two weeks. I know these are just numbers to you, but it does speak to a level of consistency that's seemingly brewing over the last 10 quarters.

Yeah. No, I mean, we'll see if that trend continues, but it seems like we're having some good talks at halftime and the guys are making some adjustments and we're getting even firmer in the second half than we were in the first half. Once again, small sample size at this point and we're still figuring that all out as we, as we go through the early part here, the season.

But I mean, I think DA, you already said he's one of the best in the business. He's, he's been doing it at a high level for a long time. He's seen it all. And, and I think our players, they have a lot of confidence in him that he's going to put them in good situations throughout the course of a game.

On the DeMarco Jackson hit on the sideline. How do you coach this or how does, you know, DA, because I mean, I'm in the belief of never slow down, but do you also have to be aware of where you're.

On the field?

I interviewed him after the game and I said, you know, I didn't even know if that was really a penalty. I'm not asking you to answer that, but how do you want to stay aggressive, but be smart, I guess?

Yeah, no, it's difficult.

Here's what I'll say to you. We never, we never want to compromise anyone getting hurt or creating injury. That's not, that's not our intent. That's not what we're, And certainly our players don't feel that way either. At the same time, we do believe in defending every blade of grass. It's something that we talk about ad nauseum over the course of training camp. We bring light to it in team meetings.

We do defend every single blade of grass. So that's one of those right on the sideline there. Toe in, toe out. You know, it's hard. It's a hard judgment call there for DeMarco. And so I don't want our aggression level and how we play defense to change. And yet at the same time, we are going to be very smart. And we certainly don't want fouls. We certainly don't want to potentially hurt the opponent either. That's not the intent either.

It was a tone-setting play, though. It really was.

It kind of led to the rest of the day in terms of emotion and whatnot. Not that it needed to be because of the two teams involved, but.

Also, big day in Chicago today.

Big day.

Baseball, I know it's not on your radar, but your Cubs start the playoffs, the Sox start the playoffs, the Blackhawks drop the puck tonight, and the Bears won on Monday night.

Doesn't get much better than that in Chicago, Ben.

It does not. It does not. I'll have to... I'll have to check up on those scores later on.

Yeah, yeah. You have bigger fish to fry like the Jets.

One final word on that. Give me 30 seconds on the Jets.

Jets, this is a.

Good football team. I think they've been right on the door. I mean, they're very close to being 3-0 right now. Took Green Bay into overtime two weeks ago. I thought they had a great plan there against Detroit last week. You know, it's one of those things that ag being a little bit more of a defensive guy they like to run the ball on offense limit possessions overall we're gonna have to be very efficient in terms of capitalizing on every opportunity that we get just because games like this you might only get eight possessions on offense or defense and so we got to make sure that we're we're on our a game here early in this one um but really talented group uh veteran laden group you know they've got gino's seen a lot of football um

He's playing at a high level, highly accurate. I think Garrett Wilson is a phenomenal football player. He's all over the place. These tight ends, this is one of the better tight end rooms in the NFL. They got this young rookie that can really stretch the field and make some acrobatic plays. Defensively, they are stout up front, really good defensive line. They're doing a great job bottling up the run game. Demario Davis, he's still I mean, I don't know how old he is, but holy cow, he looks like he's 23 running around there. He thumps. You know, I know we played him last year when he was in New Orleans, and Dennis Allen filled me in on him.

He's everything you'd want your middle linebacker to be, and he shows up on tape through three games here for the Jets. But, no, I think this is a really good football team. AG, I think the world of. They're going to play. a smash mouth style of football in all three phases. It was the number one special teams unit in football a year ago. So we got our work cut out for us here.

You've already set your jaw for the week. I could tell.

Yeah, that's right.

Thank you so much, Ben.

Thank you.

I take a very serious tone about the New York Jets already.

Overall, the play of Case Keenum had his attention.

No question about it.

Yeah, I think he really appreciates the play of Case Keenum because you get an understanding of what the player is capable of by some of the answers to questions that they offer you in meetings or some of the questions they offer you in meetings.

But, you know, Case is a really interesting guy.

He's got just a Rolodex of information and football intelligence that he's able to use when he gets an opportunity to know that he's going to play.

And, you know, the unique thing about Case Keenum.

You think of the last time he started the game and then how much notice did he have before the game that he was going to start?

It's kind of the same thing this week.

You get the notification that you're going to start sometime during the week, and then you get to start spinning that Rolodex of information and get yourself mentally and physically prepared. And I think that's one thing you got to complement. pace on is being 38 years old and being physically prepared mentally prepared this is something that he's been working on his entire life but some of the things you have to do outside the viewership of anybody at practice or and it's behind closed doors of making sure that you're physically prepared to go out and play an nfl game you know that's another part that you have to admire case for he.

And ryan fitzpatrick the only quarterbacks to win games with seven different teams And his eighth team overall.

So, yeah.

I mean, there's all this. There's so many statistics about this. And this is what was a 67th NFL start. Last one, 23 with Houston on Christmas Eve. Over a thousand days in between.

Yeah. It's a fun outcome.

Yeah.

You know, the thing about it is you can dwell about the numbers after the game. You don't want to dwell about the numbers before the game because you don't want to sit there and ask him these questions. Oh, it's been a thousand days since you played a game. Oh, it's been, you've only had this many rushing touchdowns throughout the course of the career. Oh, you and Ryan Fitzpatrick that's been on TV now for the last couple of years are the oldest guys. So you don't want to...

you don't want to fill his mind with those types of numbers. You more ask about what are you doing in this upcoming weekend? What are you doing when you look at your developing relationship with Ben Johnson?

The target distribution, 25 to the receivers. They caught 17 for 196 in the two touchdowns, six to the tight end, and three to the running backs. The distribution, highly accurate, throwing to areas, getting rid of the football. The anticipation was there. Everything you wouldn't notice in a veteran quarterback.

Well, you know, Ben brought up the one to Kalief Raymond, what an important throw that was. A couple early throws to Luther Burden and those. But to me, when I look at the game, that fourth down throw to Roush was a great play call, a great catch. Concentrate on it. Make sure you get the first down. That's all your responsibility it was. But... The blocking of this game by the tight ends was as good as I've seen in a long, long time. The positioning of the tight ends to create an advantage against their defense was incredibly intelligent.

Some of the underbelly of the targets, who caught them, where did they catch them, when did they catch them, if.

You don't have the blocking, All this stuff is mute.

And so I appreciate what the Bears did from the tight end position.

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The Bears.

Did an.

Incredible job overall. They, in the last 10 quarters, have given up 30 points. That's three points a quarter. I mean, you can win with that for sure. What impressed you? What impressed you about the defense?

What impressed me about the defense is I thought Vic Fangio would take something from the Minnesota defense. What I saw was Dennis Allen taking something from the Minnesota defense.

What specifically?

The amount of bodies that you put up at the line of scrimmage. So there's a couple times when you can see the two linebackers, Devin Bush and TJ Edwards, up in the A-gap. They call it a mug position. But you can also see TJ Edwards leaning over and listening to Jalen Hurts bark out signals and assignments. And he's starting to filter that information as well as Jalen Hurts is. And then he also is able to get into the right position, whether it's a couple zone blitzes where he got deflected one and intercepted one, or it's bringing the blitz. And then what do you do as a result of it? So just the line of scrimmage, how he was able to thin out the responsibilities of the offensive lineman. They got a couple offensive linemen that

may be considered playing out of position, take advantage of their position, their instincts that they're developing but they haven't developed them yet because they're kind of new at their job and I thought Dennis Allen did an incredible job at the line of scrimmage and putting everybody in the spot where they have to block successfully and whether it's DeMarco Jackson running over Saquon Barkley and a bliss Saquon Barkley grabbed him it should have been a holding call they didn't hold it but other guys bringing it and uh a fun to.

Watch DeMarco's physical. He plays... All gas, no brakes.

He does. He does.

And as frustrated as I was initially in the penalty hit out of bounds against Jalen Hurts, then the reality of the speed of the game sets in. And I would never discourage him from playing as hard as he does, as physically as he does, as determined as he plays on defense as well as special teams.

So, again, the immediacy.

Of the frustration– was swept under the rug by how physical and how hard he plays. And like Ben says, they want to defend every blade of grass.

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Listen, man, I'm satisfied with whatever answer he comes up with because he knows it the best. And I'm not– I could sit here and, oh, you know, you got to give Case another chance because he deserved it. And, you know, Ben obviously has a lot of respect for his investment in the position in the Bears in this offense.

Maybe he feels the same way about Tyson Bajan. Maybe it's better not to let the Jets know who's going to play quarterback up until the last minute.

Because they don't know who to prepare for.

Case is a guy with a lot of experience, 38 years old, probably doesn't have great escapability. Tyson Bajan is a young athlete who's got escapability. He's got a strong arm. He's a bigger body. So whatever decision Ben makes, I'll be happy with it.

Yeah, and it may be opponent-specific.

Whatever the Jets are doing defensively, he certainly knows what that defensive mind of Aaron Glenn is proposing, and it's a very serious game because they play a full 60, they play hard, and that's going to be a challenge. It is a road game for the Jets. They come to town in what has become a hotbed right now for fans and making that place loud and cranked up, so it's going to be an uncomfortable environment at 12 noon on Sunday for the New York Jets.

Yeah, it will.

But, you know, Ben, he identified a lot of weapons that the Jets have, and you can't take them lightly. And he admires the accuracy and the strong arm of Geno Smith. And the guy's already earned Comeback Player of the Year a couple years ago when he played for Seattle.

So Geno Smith's got a lot of experience.

AG, as he refers to him, Aaron Glenn, he's a real– He's a tough guy.

He was a tough guy during his career, and he's a tough guy as a coach.

He's a no-nonsense guy. So if you sit there and think that you're just going to show up at Soldier Field at 10 o'clock, put your cleats on and go play, no, no.

It's not going to happen that way.

And Geno almost got the Bears in Vegas last year.

Correct.

So, yeah, it's an interesting dissection because, again, another veteran quarterback who's been around a lot, and he's been known to give you the ball a time or two. So that's something to keep an eye on. And those who thought the Bears weren't going to be able to create turnovers like they did a year ago, they're off to a heck of a start again.

Yeah.

You know, you think about two things.

You talk about the quarterback position, and you think about the roller coaster of the quarterback position around the NFL early this season already. And then you talk about referencing the turnovers by the Chicago Bears.

Oh, it can't be duplicated. It can't be replicated. Well.

Maybe not, but they're sure on their way in helping their own cause and helping their selves as a team by getting the turnovers they're getting.

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So there's a lot of times during the course of the game that you talked about the double wing position of the tight end. Why was that so important is because now when you have an even amount of guys at the line of scrimmage, you got to separate your defensive talent accordingly. So rather than being able to stock stack up guys on Garrett Bradbury, they had to separate So now Garrett Bradbury having no one on top of him was instrumental in getting that initial big hit to his offensive guard and going to the second level. Because of the tight ends on bookend on each side of that formation, it helped them control the balance of what the defense was going to give you. And you knew a little bit about what your play was going to

be called. And then you talked to Ben about the motions. The motions, it created a lot of change in the defensive backfields. But Case was able to read the movement of the defensive backfield, understand where his best option was going to go, and then take advantage of it.

In that secondary, they were talking to each other as the play is going on, like who's got who, basically.

Hey, you get him. You saw finger pointing going on crazily in the secondary.

Right. And it is still, you know, for in terms of the Eagles, it's still not guaranteed you're going to be in the right position, because if you're pointing around responsibility, area of responsibility and zone coverage and you're three quarters of a step behind a guy like Luther or Rome or Zabian or one of the big tight ends, you're in trouble. So, again, you know, you can't guess and point out there. You got to know exactly what you're seeing and saying.

All right, special teams real quick, because every week there are adjustments in the league and the job that Richard Hightower did simply for protection on the edges.

Make that change. Joe Tooney out there.

You know, you put Joe Tooney out there, you put Cole Komet out there. So you got two big experienced guys that have good strength and length. And because of that position is so unique in the protection of extra point and field goal that every single time they got double assignments.

They got double assignments, but you can't move your feet drastically.

You got to be able to get the inside and help to the outs. And so the difficulty of that job is something that is instrumental in the overall success of the protection you think of last year, going back to that same Raiders game you talked about. They go and they get a block off the left edge against the Raiders and they win the game because of it.

You know, you have one block.

And you're going to get attacked every time you line up. So it's really important to be able to fortify the protection.

I know you hate this because every week the NFL puts it out. A, if your record is this, here is the percentage chance of you making the playoffs or not over time. The conglomerate of all the games that are played since a period of time. So I just heard this. the last four Super Bowl winners started the year 2-1.

Bring that up to Ben later this week. No, no, no.

Yeah, go ahead.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to do that at all. But I know you think like he does, so you're not having it.

Three games into an NFL season, you know, you know, you, you look at the extra point field goal protection, you get an injury to a guy like Braxton Jones, that brings in great length and that protection. Then you got to put a Theo, Theo Benedict in there. And you hope that he, I know he knows his assignment because there's not much of an assignment to it. It's just being able to do, uh, what your, what your job needs you to do, especially at that tackle position on extra.

Point field goal. You can't go drastically inside.

You got to stay as wide as you possibly can to help that guy to your outside left. And so all these little subtle changes and differences and the way the rotation of the quarterback position is around the league to even bring up the Superbowl.

Oh yeah.

I'm just having fun.

Yeah.

I'm having fun. And, and, and again, this is, This is a theme. He said, hey, we're still in September. Next week, we're still in September. Although it turns to October this week.

Yes, it does.

And you know, the thing about it, I, I laugh because you bring up the baseball question and stuff. And first of all, the, the Cubs don't play until 10 or nine.

O'clock or 10 o'clock tonight.

And the Sox play at four o'clock when you play Monday night football, you lose a work day. So you're already, you're already on to your, you're already until next Sunday.

Oh yeah.

So, you know, your rear view mirror and your rear view mirror, things are, appear a lot closer than they actually are.

Yeah, that's very good. That's a good visual for sure.

Word leaking out today that the Bears-Packers game moved off at 325 to noon for week five.

I bet you that's a decision they regret now because it's maybe a decision that they talked about when they thought Caleb was going to be out with a pulled hamstring. Now you think of, go tell me what the viewing audience was last night for that game and tell me that they don't deserve to be on a major market time slot in the NFL.

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