Bonus Episode: A Music History Memoir and Rock ‘N’ Roll Autobiography Reading List

Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, just to touch, to get you through. Yeah me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after Party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, a look at our favorite music history memoirs and rock and roll biographies. A new song you're gonna love, and an old song that you won't be able to stop

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I'm back once again, back in the chair, back behind the mic, back in your ears. After some psycho level travel last week, I flew out to Los Angeles from the East Coast, arrived, checked into the hotel, got into an argument with room service over some salmon. Woke up the next day, headed out to a studio at an undisclosed location, filmed an interview that will be live on one of the bigger streamers next week, and then I went straight back to the airport, grabbed the Red Eye, and flew home. Nothing like cross country travel for one night, but it was worth it. I can't wait for you to hear this interview and for you to hear the news that we've got coming to you all next week.

The entire way. The whole time I was traveling, I had Dave Grohl's books Storyteller on my lap and in my hands, and was barreling through it in order to keep up with research for the Foo Fighters episode that I'm running this week. The book Storyteller Dave GROLs Storyteller. It's an easy read, feels like it was easy to write as well. If I'm being honest, there's not a lot there. I mean, it's entertaining, don't get me wrong.

It's Dave Grohl, and the dude is charisma personified, and he's lived one of, if not the most charmed rock and roll lives that I can think of for a rock star. And not that it hasn't come without a cost, of course, and that cost, at least as it pertains to the loss of Kirk Cobaine, is documented in the book.

Of Course. This book was written and released before the death of Taylor Hawkins, so that loss is not detailed in Storyteller, but neither are what I assume are some of the more revealing bits from Dave Grohl's backstory. And so is any sort of narrative thread. It's it's kind it's I don't want to say it's all over the place.

It's not, but you kind of have to go into it knowing gave Roll's story to figure out how the whole thing is playing out. Not that it's hard to figure out, it's easy, but it's not hanging on any sort of one theme other than and I don't want to discount this the joy that Dave Grole gets from music, which is important and shouldn't be overlooked. But again, as far as memoirs go, it's it's kind of lacking. But the book does succeed on quick flashes into Dave's incredible life, a hypercharged by jaw dropping experiences. Dave Grole bringing Paul McCartney to meet ac DC, Dave Role performing for President Obama, Dave Groll trying to get into Panteris Strip Club. The book is a ton of fun, because Dave Groll's life

is a ton of fun. But the best music history memoirs they reveal something else, not just the darker side, but the vulnerability. And there's some of that here for sure, but not enough. I can't fault them for it. I mean, he's got about ten albums of heart on the sleeve of arena rock anthems, and he's a musician on a memoirs, so you know, it is what it is. They can't all be Patty Smith, which brings me to my point reading Dave Grohl's book on the heels of reading Patty Smith's Just Kids and Mtrain is it's kind of jarring because Just Kids might be one of my favorite memoirs or autobiographies by the way I just learned, like seconds ago, what the difference is between a memoir and an autobiography.

I always thought that a memoir was just a pretentious person's version of an autobiography, like the way John Malcovitch pronounces the word memoir and burne after reading my memoir, or how my memoir my memoir. I can't do it. I can't do John Malcovich, forgive me. I almost ran over once. I'm mass Ava and Cambridge. But that's another story.

A memoir is about a specific time in the writer's life, and an autobiography is more of a cradle to the grave story. So by that definition, I'm comparing apples to donuts here when I'm comparing Just Kids to Dave Girl's Storyteller. Just Kids is Patti Smith's account mostly of her time in New York City with Robert Maplethorpe in the late sixties and seventies, and Storyteller is kind of Dave story from birth up until the time he wrote it a couple of years ago. But still one is vastly superior to the other and far more of an enjoyable read.

And that's the Patty Smith book Just Kids. It's one of the best memoirs I've ever read, really truly, and I know that's the case for a lot of people. A lot of people will tell you that same thing. A lot of people read that book, even non music obsessives, and it resonated with them, and it's understandable. It's incredible, and it forced me to think about Patti Smith in a different way, in a deeper way, and to hear her music differently. And I can't say that Dave Girl's book did that for me. I mean it did on some level. Of course, you're being brought into a part of his life that you haven't really seen before, so of course you're maybe thinking about him in a fuller way, but not really in a different way. You're certainly I'm

certainly not listening to his music in a different way. About all this got me thinking and talking to some Double Elevis folks about what the best memoirs and autobiographies from music history are. Spring is now officially here, which means summer is officially right around the corner. So if you're in need of some reading recommendations, I'm going to list some of my favorite music books penned by musicians.

Uh here in this after party, and I'm gonna ask you guys to hit me up with your recommendations as well. You are a very well read podcast listening audience, and I know you've read a bunch of music books that I have not read. So I want your inputs six one, seven, nine oh six sixty sixty three eight voicemail and text at Disgrace Lampod on the Socials. Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com if you want to email me. Aside from Just Kids by Patti Smith, one of my favorite music autobiographies is Get in the Van by Henry Rollins. Now, when I was a kid in a touring band, this was kind of our how to manual. Now, nothing we ever did was as intense as what Henry and Black Flag had to do in the eighties, but we knew

in North Star when we saw it, and this was it. Black Flag were like pilgrims as far as punk rock and hardcore music is concerned. They went out and they created They didn't only just tour, They went out and they created a circuit that is still still being used today. I mean, this is in the eighties, which is insane, and this book has it all, it's fantastic. I highly recommend it if you have not read it, even if you could give a shit about punk rock or Black Flag.

Henry Ronalds is one of the most entertaining writers that I've ever come across. He's fantastic. Now. Another one one that I was surprised by recently is I Am Brian Wilson by Brian Wilson, a book that I read last year after Brian died and before hurrying out an episode on Brian in a fit of inspiration. This book really blew me away. First of all, I already knew the story like the back of my hand before I read it.

Most people do. But the telling of Brian's story by Brian Wilson is about as honest and vulnerable a depiction as you could hope for in an autobiography. And the man's voice, My God, that voice, all the childlike wonder and unpretentious genius of the Beach Boys songs, of the Brian Wilson songs that you love, It's all on full display in every single passage in this book. This book, like the best songs by its author, will make you cry.

It's great. I highly recommend it. This next book, however, will make you puke, and that's Marilyn Manson's The Long Hard Road out of Hell. I've read a lot of rockstar autobiographies, and never have I read one like this. The man is practically begging to be hauled off to jail. Marilyn Manson aka Brian Warner is an evil genius, and he really leans into the evil in this book. I took this information about as far as I could in our Marilyn Manson episode without before completely grossing myself out.

There's a lot in this book that I didn't get, and you know it's a lot in the episode that's presented. You know, my point of view is not his point of view, especially on him, as you'll hear when you hear the Marri Manson episode if you haven't heard it already, so check that out. The road map, however, for Manson's autobiography is Motley Cruz Dirt by my guy Neil Strauss, which kind of broke the mold for bad boy rock star tell als I didn't grow up a fan of Motley Crue, or of hair Metal or any of that lame mass spandex cliche sunset strip rock and roll rockstar bullshit.

I grew up on punk and hardcore, so these guys were the opposite of what I was into or even what I was willing to tolerate as a young man. As a young man, I get it now, and I can take it now objectively. When this book came out, though, like I said, I was still a young man and I was still kind of, you know, in the throes of of punk and hardcore. And I read it anyways, and the only reason I read it was I was staying at my friend Julie Duffy's place in Manhattan. At the time. Julie was tour manager for like some huge artists, like she still is, but at the time I think she was on the road with Justin Timberlake or John Cougar, Mellen Camp something like that. Anyway, she'd be on the road all the time, and she would just let me

stay at her place on the Upper west Side, which sorry, Upper east Side, east Side, Yeah, Upper east Side. It was great, super generous, thanks Stuffy, still appreciate it. But I was there one day and I think I had a show that night or a meeting or something, and I had nothing to do, and she had this book in her apartment, and it was one of those things where I just dropped my bag and I opened up the book just to check it out, and I started reading and I just didn't stop until I finished it.

I read. I read it all the way through. Just incredible, and I loved it. It is out of control. Okay, forget about the Netflix series, forget about that. Read the book okay, and then read the Manson book if you haven't already, because you know, by Marilyn Manson standards, the Motley Creue autobiography is almost cute by comparison. Okay, these next two. I was trying to get my thoughts together about these next two, and I scribbled down this in my notes today Chuck Berry's Autobiography and Glow by Rick James.

I was forced to reckon with a question that I had encounter for the rest of my career. How the hell did these guys admit all of this and get away with it and not end up in jail? I wrote that down too quickly, because obviously, if anybody knows, it's me. They both went to jail. And these the details in these books is the reason why. The more interesting question is how did they end up being sort of accepted back into I don't want to say polite society, I guess with Chuck Berry. I mean, yeah, before Chuck Berry died, there was this massive event for him at the the the John F. Kennedy Memorial Library in Boston.

I remember it, and you know, a lot of a lot of you know, Boston women areas anyways, were there, and I remember just thinking that I had a little fomo because I wasn't there, and I probably could have figured out how to finagle my way in at the time, but I just didn't. But on the same at the same time, I was also kind of like, what, yeah, you guys all know what this guy did, right, Like you know, not right, I know, you know you're too smart not to know. You know, we're just ignoring it.

It's all in this book. It's crazy. It's crazy. And I know he invented rock and roll. And I know that's a controversial statement. I didn't say it, Flipping Lee. I actually believe that. But yeah, he also did some pretty pretty pretty fucked up stuff and admitted to it and in a lot of cases didn't apologize for it.

Rick James never really had it, was never really involved with polite society. I don't think even even in the seventies, I don't know, maybe but not really. And then but still, you know, after all the stuff with the abduction of women and the burning them with crack pipes, and it's still Rick James, bitch, you know what I mean, like it was, He's still kind of a cultural touch point.

And when you read this book, in particular Glow by Rick James as opposed to Chuck Berry's autobiography Glow by Rick James, which was finished after he died, if I if I'm remembering correctly, so it's not a pure autobiography, but man, man, oh man, what he admits to in the pages of this book are shocking, shocking, and I needed a break after I read it, that's how shocking it was. So those are a few. There's a ton ton of others, a ton of others. If you're in the mid century New York and mafia history, then Tommy James is me the Mob and music. That's a must read.

Rod Stewart's Rod is surprisingly readable and smart. Keith Richards's Life is practically canon at this point. Also, Keith wrote it with author J. R. Moherringer, if that's how you pronounce it. JR. Mohringer also has a memoir called The Tender Bar. It's about his life and it is incredible. Not a music book, but it's incredible. I think I think that's the one that George Clooney and Ben Affleck aflac Affleck, Affleck, Ben Affleck. Why can't I say that all of a sudden turned into a movie The Tender Bar filmed it up in? Where'd they film it? Sean Salem helped me out? Is it Salem? Where they filmed?

I think they've didn't sale somewhere up there haverl something like that. Similarly, I believe Henry Rollins ghost wrote David Lee Ross's autobiography, but I'm not sure about that. If anyone wants to track that down and let me know, it'd be super appreciated. And so here's a couple more that I'm just I haven't read, but I'm psyched to read.

Kerry Brownstein's Hunger Makes Me a Modern Girl, Richard Hell's I Dreamed I Was a Very Clean Tramp, and Melissa off DeMar's new nineties memoir Even the Good Girls Will Cry. And I'm also related to that because Melissa was in whole. I am stoked. I'm just stoked, very excited to see this Courtney Love documentary when and if it ever comes out, which the rumors are it's coming out this year, let's hope.

So all right, But I think if you're asking me what my favorite musician autobiography or memoir is in terms of pure enjoying, it kind of an unconventional choice here, but I think I would have to say Beastie Boys book by Michael Diamond and Adam Horowitz, which is about as inventive as you can get. That said, it's not just an autobiography, yes, it kind of is. It's part memoir.

It's also part oral history, with accounts from folks who were there with the Beasti's during their formative and the most impactful moments in their careers. It's also part scrap book, it's part mix tape. It's just incredible, and the band doesn't shy away from their worst moments, specifically the honesty that they bring to the less than noble way in which they treated original drummer Kate Shamanbach, or the embarrassing way in which they handled becoming the dick joke that they were trying to tell with license to ill. All that said, if you're a fan of eighties nineties culture, not just hip hop music, not Beastie Boys fans, whatever, you're just a fan of that history, that time in America and culture, this book's great. It's just great, truly

great inventive storytelling, and it is worth a place on your shelf, if not in your beach bag this summer. Again, even if you're not a Beastie Boys fan, I wouldn't bring it to the beach. It's a good book, good like hardcover, you know what I mean. I wouldn't ruin it with all that sand, all that stuff, all right, So, as you guys know, on the subject, still, Seth writes a bunch of stories and disgrace and so there's a whole slew of musician autobiographies that he's read that I haven't, and some real classics like Peter Hook from New Order's book and Robbie and Levon from the band their books.

And Zeth is also the man who helms Hollywood Land, so he's read more memoirs and autobiographies from Hollywood than I have. But I don't think he's read aero Flynn's autobiography. I also don't think he's read You'll Never make Love in this Town again like I have. So I'm excited to talk to Zeth about his favorites, including those from La La Land, not just for music, in the exclusive section of this after party coming up shortly. Go to Disgracing on pod dot com to sign up to become Disgracing and All Access members to unlock exclusive content like this plus ad free listening. All right, looking ahead. As we just announced this week, Rewind episodes are now hitting on Sunday's people. Okay, Sunday, Sunday Sunday. So this Sunday,

while you're up, you know, up late in the morning, you know, making your eggs and baky or whatever, cheppening your kids around in the car, chilling in the garden out back, whatever you're doing this Sunday, Fire up your podcast app. Check out a classic episode of disgrace Ind. This weekend, we're headed down the seven mile Road of Excess and Cocaine Anamos with Stevie Nicks and the rest of Fleetwood Mac. You're gonna wanna, You're gonna want to be there with us. You want You're gonna want to come on this trip with us, all right, and next week, next week after that, it is finally here at the launch of our new season, our new episode on Patti Smith, and I cannot wait for you to hear this opus that we've put together. It's about as true crime and

rock and roll as you can get. And when you're listening, be thinking about your favorite rock and roll memoirs or music history autobiographies and come back to me with your recommendations, even if they're ones that we've already spoken about. Sometimes getting consensus on a book is critical to getting someone to crack open said book. And I really want to inspire a solid summer reading list here for you guys and myself over the course of this this episode in the next after party. So next week's question of the week is going to be which musician memoir or autobiography would you recommend? Six one seven, nine oh six six sixty three eight voicemail and text at Disgrace lam Pod on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok and sometimes x Disgrace Lampod

at gmail dot com on the email machine. I will be back after this with your voicemails and text, dms and more. All right back in the saddle down on the corner out on the street, sitting in the waiting room. Aha, in the phone booth, it's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone with you guys. Six one seven, nine oh six sixty sixty three eight. Let's check out what Lily has to say in Northern California.

This is Lily from Roland, California, just responding to the episode from last week about that's the question about favorite movie soundtrack, And man, I have a couple in mine, but I think insure Land is my favorite. Also, that movie is so underrated, but I mean the soundtrack really just has so many amazing songs, like from the Replacements, all of an Underground Bowie, New York Doll, Big Star, I mean, just incredible. And I just love that movie so much. I discovered it a kind of a formative place in my life and it just has stuck with me ever since. And also it's just such an underrated movie all around, great cast, just great cinematography everything. I love that movie so much. But some of my other

picks for best soundtrack were Empire Records Pump Up the Volume Pretty in Pink, Donny Darko, Twenty Century Women, I mean, and of course Almost Famous, which is also one of my.

Other favorite movies. Lily, thank you for the message. I think you're intending Zeth to get that message. But since Beeth and I have this soundtrack conversation that is ongoing, I thought I would jump in here because you mentioned Adventureland and I've never seen adventure Land ever, and I love your depiction of the movie in the soundtrack and your passion for it, and I am inspired to watch it now and maybe it will end up being an episode of our video podcast. This film should be played loud.

So thanks to the message, I want to talk to Seth. I'm gonna let him know to check it out as well. All right, let's see what the three two three has to say.

Jake, there is no britpop without these two bands, Stone Roses and Inspiral Carpets. In fact, Noel Gallagher was the guitar tack for the Inspiral Carpets and wrote many of those Oasis songs while tecking for the Carpets. Also, you need to look into the Happy Mondays, specifically the recording of one of their albums in Barbados. They literally sold furniture from the recording studio to buy crack stories of driving cars to the front of bars. It's fucking wild anyway, love the.

Show, all right, three two three, Thank you so much for the message you know in Spiral Carpets. I did mention them. Actually, I don't know if I mentioned them in the Oasis episode. I knew Noel Gallagher guitar TechEd for them, and that that's where the Oasis songs first came together. I might not have even mentioned them, but I did. I do remember reading about them in that research.

But yeah, I hear I hear you on the importance of the band given uh, given what they meant for nol An Oasis and in Oasis lore, and I cannot wait to get into this Happy Monday story. You sound stoked. I'm stoked it's gonna be. I think I'm not the next one I research and write, but within the next handful. Okay, So that means it'll be out this year at some point.

Thanks for the call. Three two three, all right, guys six one six six, six three eight. You want to get in touch with me about anything, You can voicemail, you can text, you can call me. You can text me, you can email me disgracelanmdpod at gmail dot com. Jason for the four one six texts in with hey love the podcast, Happy anniversary. Listening to the latest episode and thinking about the rock and roll books that started it all for me, and it is No One Here Gets Out Alive by Danny Sugarman and Jerry Hopkins. I remember reading it one summer when I was in my middle teenage years, working as an attendant behind a desk in the change room of my local pool, handing out towels.

In fact, I think all the guys that worked at the pool read this book because we passed that old dog eared paperback around all summer. Since then, I've read many rock and roll bios and autobios, so when I discovered your podcast, Disgraceland, it was a no brainer for me, and I've been listening ever since. Rock and Roller No One Here Gets Out a Live one of the seminal biographies rock and Roll Biographies by Jim Morrison. I think that's the book that Oliver Stone based most of the movie on. Anyways, and man, it must have hit you four one six at the exact at right time. I feel like just teenage boys in the I don't know how we'll do R Jason in the sort of eighties nineties.

That was that was a sweet spot for being turned on to Jim Morrison from the Doors. Sounds like that's exactly what happened at the pool you're working at too. Seven seven four Texan just finished the dead episodes. Good shit, I've been ahead my whole life. I grew up a hardcore kid in the Worcester area in the nineties. I wish cast Irn, I wish cast Iron Hike had one more album, would love another reunion. Thanks for all the enjoyment Dan Dan in the seven seven four. Thanks brother, that ain't happening unfortunately, but uh it's nice to know people care. And if you saw if you went to see cast Irn night back in the day, thank you and happy you're a deadhead. I like how I like that trajectory from punk kid to deadhead. It makes sense.

Doesn't feel like it makes sense, but trust me it does. Six four six Good morning, love Foof, but love Nirvana way more. Yeah, I guess taste this taste right. You're gonna listen to something more than you're going to listen to something else based on your taste. The more I've been listening to food Fighters and doing this research over the last couple of weeks, is the more I come to realize, you know, I'm kind of food Fighters first two albums, those are the records I like. I've never really, I've never sought out food Fighters music on my own to listen to after that until probably the last few years, and every time I would hear a single, I'd just kind of be like the same for me. And what I realized is the singles that come, you know, on

the third, fourth albums and beyond, they weren't necessarily made for me. They were made for the world at large, and they were made to be delivered on stage in stadiums. And I think what changed for me was I saw I've seen food Fighters live and that that had That had a lot to do with changing it, because I loved those songs that I previously didn't like hearing them live, the bigness of them. But even before that, before I saw them live, I saw that Wembley Stadium gig that they did. I think it was an HBO special or something that ran it, and it was incredible. It's just amazing and uh it really it really gave me a new appreciation for the Foo Fighters and and I kind of didn't realize why until now because I'm so deep

in it in the research. Anyhow, that's my take. I love Nirvana as well. I've gone back and I kind of I listened to Nevermind for the first time in a long long time as an album the other night when I was waiting to get on the plane, and my god, it's so good. It's explosive. All three of the records are incredible for different reasons, and they're all different, you know, it's like that they're really those that run of records. Man, it's just great. They're not repeating themselves in any way. But that one, that one, My goodness.

Nine one text and Hey, Jake, absolutely love your show. Amazing work. I'd really love to hear an episode on Shannon Hoon and Blind Melon definitely the most underrated beautiful band from the nineties. Thank you, keep up the good work. Nine four one you were in luck. We've got a Shannon Hoon episode coming your way a couple of months.

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Week AND i have got a. Show, Okay i'm done With Love. Story i'm done talking About JOHN. F Kennedy. Jr And Carolyn bassett in The. Night And i'm not done talking about the. Nineties But i'm done talking about, that that dumb show THAT i loved so, much And i'm now very upset it's. Gone BUT i have a new show and it's way. Better AND i don't have, to you, know tell People i'm watching it in hushed tones Because i'm embarrassed by. It not THAT i was embarrassed by Watching Love. STORY i don't give fuck what people think about WHAT i watch on television and everybod but he deserves a good guilty. Pleasure who AM i to deny myself of? That but this show That i'm watching is awesome AND i meant to watch it years.

Ago it came out about four or five years, AGO i, think AND i just missed. IT i missed, IT i think BECAUSE i didn't have My hulu password or. SOMETHING i don't know what the reason. Was BUT i haven't even Told zeth about this BECAUSE i can't wait for his eye. Roll But i'm going to convince him that it's, great And i'm going to get him to watch it and hopefully get you guys to watch it as. Well and there's some good music. Involved, okay that's going to be happening over in The Rap party starting next. Week we're gonna be doing our recommendations over. There most of our, RECOMMENDATIONS i should, say because BEFORE i get to the because speaking Of zeth In, Hollywoodland zeth does The Rap.

Party zeth does the archive episode of Hollywood land on that week's, subject like for, instance this week it's It's Brandon lee From The. Crow and then he comes in with The Rap party bonus episode where he does sort of expanded take and talks to you guys and get to your feedback on that week's subject Again Brandon. Lee and then at the end of the week he does what's called the Screening room where he teas up a movie that we're all going to be watching that weekend and talking about when he comes back the following week with the wrap. Party, okay so it's all kind of strung together, there and this weekend we're all Watching The crow With Brandon. Lee so there you. Go that's what's happening over. There get into the Hollywood land feed on

The iHeart podcast, App apple Podcast. Spot if wherever you're listening to, podcasts make sure you subscribe to Hollywood. Land the recommendations are in part kind of low. Key the THING i love talking, about you, know, music and film together is kind of right up there music and crime, obviously but rex you know what it's. Like you get, out you see your, friends what are you? Watching what do you listen? To?

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Know you can't wait to talk about? It And zeth AND i are gonna start to do that with more frequency over in the wrap, Party so make sure you're subscribed To Hollywood.

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Okay one of the Things i'm gonna start doing here going forward in the after parties are these song. RECOMMENDATIONS i have found that in this attention economy that we're living, IN i often like it when somebody recommends a song to me now rather than a new artist THAT i haven't. Heard it's just so, overwhelming like where do you even?

Start you know WHAT i? Mean and everything's all messed up now because if you go To, spotify you're not gonna you're not gonna get introduced to an artist the way that you got introduced to it as a. Kid you, know you're gonna get like their most downloaded, whatever which could be just because it was covered by, somebody you know What i'm. Saying SO i like it when somebody just recommends a song to. Me so that's been spinning around in my brain. Lately the other thing that's been spinning around in my brain lately is trying try to not become a cliche old, guy middle aged, guy, whatever guy who's just grumpy about new. Music at the same TIME i am grumpy about new. Music you, know one of the things about being a man is as you get,

older you have to fight the urge to sort of calcify into this version of yourself that never. Changes you.

Know it's a.

Stereotype i'm, generalizing but men kind of they just kind of get stuck in their ways more than women. DO i have found, Anyways i've certainly found this with. Myself it's one of those THINGS i don't like about. Myself you. Know we get long, lives short, lives however you look at. It we want them to be the best, lives the most rich, lives the most robust. LIVES i know there's great music being made and being released, constantly BUT i do have real serious beef with modern. Music And i've realized over the last couple of weeks my beef with modern music is more about guitar based modern music rock and.

Roll first of, ALL i just can't stand the fact that rock and, roll guitar based rock and, roll is no longer part of popular. Culture it doesn't dominate or lead popular culture the way that it did WHEN i was growing, up AND i can't do anything about. That on the same, Time i've realized that what's happened to guitar music in the last two decades is this sort of mass movement toward recording in the box and recording with digital. Tools AND i don't mean just recording to pro tools instead of. TAPE i mean using digital plugins and apps as opposed to using outboard. Gear AND i don't want to bore you with the technicality of it, all BUT i can hear the, difference and it's a bum.

Out you, know WHEN i listen to Led, zeppelin that shit fucking blasts comes to. LIFE i was talking about this couple weeks, ago you, guys if a kid wanted to hear the beg's and Like Stan alive came on AND i was just, like oh my, god this is. Glorious not to mention the fact that everything is compressed by the time we hear, it you, know into ones and zeros On spotify Or apple or wherever we're streaming our, music even on the, radio which has always been. Compressed but, anyhow modern rock music suffers the most from, this and everybody's doing it basically barely anyone records to tape anymore except huge artists because it's super, expensive And god bless up and coming new. Artists what are they gonna. Do

they gotta find a way to get their music out. There and that's just the economy we live. In that's just how things are done, now that's where we're. At but, again rock music suffers the most because we're used to hearing rock music be, huge, punk, hardcore classic, rock all. Shit we grew up. Loving you, know if that's what you're trying to get at as a as a guitar based band now and you're recording in the, box you're kind of. Fucked you're never gonna get that. Bigness it's really, difficult AND i don't like. It If i'm being, HONEST i can hear it in a, SECOND i can spot it a mile, away AND i don't like it Because i'm Just i'm just just not What i'm used to.

Now on the other, hand when it comes to electronic, music electronic based, music electronic based produced. MUSIC i don't mean like you, know E. EDM i don't mean like craft, work you, KNOW i mean LIKE r AND b hip hop pop, music which for the last beyond two, decades the last four, decades they've been using drum. Machines for all the pop MUSIC i grew up with in the eighties and nineties THAT i Love, madonna you, know all that stuff was not reliant on big, guitars big sounding guitars and big sounding. Drums and if there were big sounding, drums again it was it was created. Artificial SO i find myself now walking through the, world walking into a restaurant or just walking down the street and hearing a

car drive by with the windows rolled. Down and more often than, not WHEN i hear things now AND i, go, oh what's that that's, interesting it's often always pop, music top forty, music and it's not guitar. Based And i'm, finally for the first time in a long, time allowing myself to be curious about this and, go wait a, minute wait a, minute wait a, minute, wait what is?

THIS i kind of like? This why DO i like?

This?

OH i like this because this is fucking. Awesome it doesn't matter that they made it a year ago or two months ago or three years or. Whatever it doesn't matter that it's pop. Music it doesn't matter that IT'S r AND. B it doesn't matter to me because in the SEVENTIES i love The Beach, boys because in the EIGHTIES i Love. Madonna because in the NINETIES i loved En vogue And shade And. SEAL i didn't KNOW i Love seal until, recently BUT i love you know WHAT i.

MEAN i loved that. STUFF i wasn't actively seeking it. Out it was just, there and now WHEN i hear, IT i love. It So i'm not going to deprive myself of modern music just because modern guitar music is in a rut right. Now, now the good news, IS i think modern guitar music is going to come. BACK i really truly. DO i think the way it's recorded is going to. Change you. Can't you, know when you record with all of these you, know, electronic LIKE i, said outboard gear and plugins and everything is in the, box everything sounds the. Same and musicians are going to get wise to that because listeners are going to get wise to, that and they're going to stop. Listening and then we're going to go back to this sort of

one hundred and eighty degrees back to recording in big rooms in big. Studios how we're going to do, THAT i don't, know but it'll, happen trust. Me so all of that is a long way to say That i'm gonna start. Recommending i'm gonna do this thing with you guys every week called new, song old. Song, Okay i'm gonna recommend one new song That i'm, into and you can tell me If i'm crazy for liking, it or you can tell me if you love, it and you can recommend whatever new song or old song you wanna recommend.

Me i'm gonna recommend one old song okay as. Well, okay the old songs are. Easy there's a gazillion of, them and These i'm trying to pick songs Where i'm trying to maintain this, vibe the spirit of like you hear a song for the first time that day and it just not only owns your, day it owns your. Week you're, like, fuck, yeah, man where's that? Song you grab your? FOOT i gotta hear that, song you know WHAT i. Mean that's What i'm going for. Here so we're gonna do the new song, first because that's gonna be harder for. Me and then we're gonna do the old, song because that's gonna be easier for. Me you're gonna do the hard things first in. Life new. Song ever since you left, ME i went Deaf French. MONTANA i

didn't know this about myself until ABOUT i don't, know two days. AGO i kind of Love French. MONTANA i think there might even be a Disgrace land episode there WHICH i might even be excited to. WRITE i don't, know BUT i love this fucking. Song it is. Fantastic it's based on the riff that's the WAY i like It casey in The Sunshine. Band it's, nasty it's, Dirty it's gonna make. You it's gonna do what a great song on a summer day is supposed to. Do it's gonna make you want to drive fast and, drink not necessarily in that, order or hopefully not in the reverse, order but you know What i'm getting at. Right it's a fucking. Banger ever since you left, ME i went deaf By French montana and someone Called max by WHO

i don't know. Who that is released in this year twenty twenty, six a couple months Ago, january from an album Called Coke wave three point Five. NARCOS i don't know what the fuck that's, about but it sounds pretty rock and roll to. Me so that's the new. Song the old, song completely, different totally. Different what is That Food fighters? Song this isn't the. Song what is That Food fighter song that goes ah on The New day?

Risin that song's. Okay WHEN i first heard that, SONG i, went, oh he's he Got New Day rising From Bob. MOLD i guarantee that that phrase New Day rising is rolling around In Dave girl's head because Of whoscerdo And Bob mold And New Day. Rising just a great song and a great. Album not What i'm, recommending BUT i am going to recommend something. RELATED i am researching foods As i've been talking, about AND i watched that documentary and there's this part in like twenty sixteen, Ish Dave grol, turns you, know part of his house into a recording studio and they do that Album Wasted light with, rope great song that songs great rope By Foo fighters And lo and behold There's Bob mould In Dave girl's house

recording with him and it's. Awesome it's. Great it's great to See Bob mold behind the mic singing his ass off in that way that Only Bob mold can. Sing what a. Voice BUT i went back AND i looked At New Day rising the album BECAUSE i just can't listen to this record. Enough it is, NonStop no. Skips. Great, however the, song the one Song i'm pulling from this this album to recommend to, you my old song recommendation Is Celebrated summer By whoskerdoo On New Day. Rising, now if you haven't heard that, SONG i invite you to throw that on the old stereo and turn it up and roll your windows. Down so there you, go new.

Song ever since you left, ME i went deaf By French montana and some dude Named MAX. B forgive, Me MAX. B i know not who you. Are maybe SOMEDAY i will learn And New day excuse me Celebrated. Summer bye Bye Whosker. Doo all, right check those, out disgrace my pod at gmail dot. Com you want to email me any song, recommendations any recommendations at, all go for. It got an email from an old listener, Here john McNeely Aka Johnny, vinyl who, Says, Hey i've been out of the loop for a bit on social media and podcast, listening but catching up with the less than handful of PODS i listened, to which Includes disgraceland, TODAY i was thrilled to see that you did wind up covering me as a pod us someone i'd suggested a couple of

years ago and he said it would be a tall. Order well you did her in The Gifts. Justice my eyes even welled. Up only a few episodes had ever affected me like that WHEN i got home from work after having finished the. Episode on my ride, HOME i had to put On frenching The. Bully don't know if you, agree But i've always Heard Bad brains and the riffs and breakdowns of the songs, absent and here's to your.

Fuck i've been a fan of both bands for, decades AND i know you're a Huge Bad brains. Fan i'm stoked for The Patti smith episode as she's one of my favorite people on the, planet and The foods. EPISODE i was a Big Dave grohl fan and have made a complete one hundred and eighty degree turn on those feelings for various. Reasons but that's what makes me look forward to the. Episode on a final, note my girlfriend AND i started a YouTube channel Called Spinning flames where we break down an artist and album while trying out hot.

Sauces that sounds, Awesome. Johnny johnny goes on to, say congrats on the tune and had seventy. Episodes Thanks, johnny appreciate, you AND i appreciate the words about our Miyaz apata. Episode all praise needs to go To Zeth lundy for that. One he wrote that, one he wrote the shit out of. It and as far as The Foo fighters in your one hundred and eighty degree turn On Dave, grohl, yeah, yeah that's What i'll. Say, yeah you'll hear. It a couple of weeks coming at. You Ty gilpin On instagram right, saying, HEY i think the most Seminal british band of the modern, era one that changed everything and one that truly launched what would later become britpop has to be The Stone.

Roses what a behemoth and the GEN x landscape For britain can't argue with. That turnstile recently COVERED i want to be adored By Stone. Roses it's pret damn. Good my Old bambadega girls used to cover that song as. WELL i loved playing it.

Live it was so.

Fun what a great, band AND i can't. Wait we'll do an episode On Stone roses at some. Point, guys if you're digging the, show you want to support the, show a couple of ways you can do. It go to disgrace simpod dot, com sign, up become an All access, member or if you want, to you can go On Apple podcasts Or spotify and leave a. Review IF i read your review here on the show and you hear it and you hit me up six one seven nine oh six sixty six three, EIGHT i will send you some.

Merch gotta be, patient, though but the merch it will. Come as they say x main eleven On apple podcast Wheights, hey outstanding, production audio quality and. Research this is some of the best free journalism on legendary rockstars and modern artists that you'll, find and you can listen to. It it can feel formulaics, sometimes but after, all it's a.

Show can't be too mad about. That some episodes are a slice of life on a given, artist and some span, decades AND i mean the formulaic, Park come, on that's on. Purpose sounds like you know that we try to give you you know what you, want what you can expect every, week the same. Thing and, YEAH i like how you said some episodes are a slice of life on a given artist in some span. Decades given our conversation on M, WIRs M WIRs memoirs and, autobiographies this review feels particularly on point six, one, seven nine oh, six sixty six three, Eight get at me x main eleven And i'll get you something in the. Mail you, guys want to leave a review For disgrace and you can do so On Apple podcasts And. Spotify all, Right i'll be back after,

this all right. Again All access members you get access to exclusive content like the conversation That zeth AND i are going to continue having right now on, memoirs some From Hollywood, land and some of them are pretty damn, juicy And i'm excited to talk To. Zeth go To disgrace iPod dot com to sign up to become An All access member if you're not. Already all, right, guys we are, back and as you, know two hundred and sixty plus episodes A disgrace. Slam that's a huge. Archive Marilyn, Manson Beastie, Boys Brian wilson were some of the artists we mentioned in this. Episode, matt excuse, Me, sean who's mixing this one is going to have the show notes excuse, me the episode information for those stories in the show notes,

here and you'll be an easy way for you to find them if you're. Interested if you get questions on anything in our, archive hit me. Up i'll try to get answers to. You let's, recap shall? We number one this, week our special new season preview is available for you to check out right. Now you're going To you're gonna get a look into all of the stories that we're doing in the next couple of. Months a little bit of history on how to disgrace saying came to. Be you're not gonna want to miss. That our rewind episode this is number. Two our rewind episode this week Is Fleetwood.

Mac it's a two part Of Fleetwood Mac part one and two next. Week, yeah that's, Right Patti, Smith Miss Patti smith's coming your way AND i can't. WAIT i can't wait for you to hear. This number four Is ess giving you Those hollywood and crime vibes over In. Hollywood lands and make sure you are. Subscribed number, Five this film should be played. LOUD i don't e THINK i mentioned. That that's our video podcast and we got a new one On Big lebowski that's available for Our patreon listeners right. Now become An All access member to check that. Out number six six one seven nine oh six six six three. Eight your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music, History so keep, calling texting with your answers to this week's question of the

week or whatever else you guys want to talk. About and number, seven don't forget this. Goes this isn't just. Content it's a, community a community of the, obsessed and no one cares about, music, books records and the crime grime that ties them all together like you. Do and that is a, disgrace all. Right which date to? Choose it's a hard one this week because we did that little discrace same history in this week's special. Episode So i'm looking back to the. Day disgracelam launched On february, thirteenth twenty, eighteen and here is What america was listening to on that, day according to The Billboard. Charts number, One God's Plan drake last week not applicable peak position one weeks on chart one number two Perfect Ed sheeran

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