Bonus Episode: Are Rockstars Part of the UFO Disclosure Theory? Plus Psychopedia’s Brooke Slater on Slayer and Ed Gein

0:01 Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party. The bridge she gave from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. Of this bonus episode, we are discussing this week's new full episode, our part two story on Merle Haggard. Merle's UFO obsession has us rewinding back to our Blink one eighty two story and

0:54 previewing next week's new episode on Phil Spector and the madness behind his incredible Christmas album. We got a special interview today with Psyclopedias Brooks Slater about Slayer and ed Geen, and we get into your emails, comments, dms, and as always a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried.

1:16 Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling to somebody else. All Right, disc goes, Let's get into it. Murderers, aliens, country singers, and haunting heavy metal songs. My head is swimming with thoughts of all of them this week. So first up, murderers and heavy metal songs. There's been an ongoing battle in our house this last month or so about whether or not my wife and I are going to watch Monster, the ed Geen Story on Netflix, and I'm just so repelled by the images in the series that I turned to my friend Brooks Later from the Cyclopedia podcast, a bit of an egg Geen expert, to help me work through this true crime story via a heavy metal song that haunted me as a kid. And

2:11 that conversation is coming up later in this after party, and you're not gonna want to miss it. It's fascinating and I can't wait for you to hear it. But now onto country singers and aliens. In our continuation of the Merle Haggard story. In this week's new full episode, we reveal in Merle Part two that Merle almost collaborated with spaceman David Bowie if you can believe that, And we tease out Merle's UFO experience and fully dive into Merle's UFO obsession in this week's mini episode. Now, Merle Haggard's UFO experience claim is not unique to rock stars.

2:49 Many musicians have made similar claims to seeing unexplainable events in the sky and elsewhere. In addition to Merle Haggard, we mentioned David Bowie, who claimed to see something above the town of Beckenham as a young man, an event that obviously had a sizeable impact on Bowie's art. We detail Tom DeLong from Blank one eighty two's desert experience in this week's Rewind episode, coming up right after this after party. Next week's new episode is on Phil Spector and John Lennon, who is heavily involved in Phil's story and part of next week's rewind schedule, claimed to see a craft hovering over Manhattan and referenced it in a song Nobody told me, singing, there's UFOs over New York and I ain't too surprised. Elvis Costello, Sammy Hagar, Kat Stevens,

3:36 Kurt Cobain, Jimmy Hendrix, Elvis Presley all claimed to have experiences or sightings. For some of these artists claiming to see the unexplainable up in the sky alien spacecraft UFOs, it's totally on brand. David Bowie, Jimmy Hendrix, hell even Elvis Presley and John Lennon. But Elvis cos Dello, Cat Stevens, Sammy Hagar, Merle Haggard now claiming this kind of thing is wildly discrediting, or at least it used to be.

4:11 More and more of the UFO, or as it's becoming known UAP Unidentified aerial phenomenon, more and more this discussion is becoming more mainstream and more acceptable. And I don't believe that that's an accident. Forty percent of Americans say that they've had similar experiences. Forty percent. Think about that, for the Americans in the audience, that's four out of every ten people that you encounter. That means four out of every ten rock stars, doesn't it. I don't know.

4:42 Is that how statistics works?

4:43 I don't.

4:43 I don't really know, but I do know that forty percent is a huge number. Merle Haggard does not strike me as the type of guy who would be Solosey goosey with his reputation and credibility. In the upcoming Blink one eight two rewind episode, we discuss whether or not Blink guitarist Tom DeLong is part of a larger secret plan by the government to disclose to the public the truth about extraterrestrial or ultra terrestrial life. What if Tom DeLong isn't the first rock star. I can see some of you guys rolling your eyes right now. I get it, aliens UFOs. Without going out on any sort of fox molder limb that I can't walk myself back from, I will say that, ever since diving into this subject in researching Blink twent eighty two, it's become clear to me

5:37 that something that looks an awful lot like controlled disclosure is happening in our culture. And this all seems to have landed on our heads with a massive holy shit, can you believe it? Thud right now in the past week with the release of the documentary The Age of Disclosure by Dan Farrah. Now, this documentary is not some obscure YouTube doc by a dude with a tinfoil hat and dog eared copy of Project Blue book. This is an Amazon distributed theatrically released, highly produced film featuring numerous high level government officials, politicians, and career servicemen and women from both sides of the political spectrum. Marco Rubio, Kirsten Gillibrand, James Clapper, and many, many, many others on record stating

6:28 unequivocally that we are not alone in the universe, and say what you will about the proof, the proof is in the pudding. They are risking their reputations in doing this. Everyone interviewed in the film claims direct knowledge of UAP as a result of their work in the US government, and what they discuss is truly revelatory, and the reason for their disclosure is truly chilling. They're afraid, afraid that whatever is out there, whatever Merle Haggard, Tom DeLong, John Lennon, whatever others have claimed to have scene, whatever alien technology that causes unidentified aerial crafts to go forty thousand miles per hour, stop on a dime turn and transmediate between air, water, and space, unexplainable technology captured on video by our military personnel,

7:23 that whatever that is, that it's going to be harnessed by our foreign adversaries and used against us if we do not wake up and admit that there's something else out there and find ways to work with it and use it for the good of mankind. Anyway, that's not me saying all that. That's the film, that's the point of the film, and my summary here is only scratching the surface of what the film reveals. But those are the stakes anyway, And with those steaks, if true, it means that we all need to find ways to wrap our heads around this UAP concept, this thing that Merle Haggard and John Lennon and Tom DeLong and many other rock stars for years have been trying to draw our attention to the idea that we are not alone. It

8:15 seems to me that we as a species are going to slowly learn more and more about this topic until it's completely mainstream, and that this learning, this disclosure, Yeah, this is my opinion. It seems to me that it's been going on for decades and that yes, willingly or unknowingly, whatever it is, some of our favorite rock stars have been part of this disclosure. In hell, maybe you and I are part of this disclosure as well, and we just don't even know it. My advice. Listen or we listen to our Blank one eighty two episode after this.

8:49 And I'm laughing because I'm shamelessly pimping disgrace Sand right now. But it's not without merit. Much of what I detail in that Blink one eighty two story is reinforced in expanded upon in this documentary that I'm talking about. So listen to Blink and Disgraceland and then watch the Age of Disclosure and call me after that six one seven nine oh six six six three eight, and let me know what you think about this topic. Okay? Are we alone as Tom DeLong insists we're not? Is the truth being disclosed? Are there UFOs over New York, as John Lennon warned us, or are we all just high as fuck like Merl Haggard? All right, I want to know.

9:28 Call me six one seven nine oh six six six three eight. Let me know your thoughts. I'll be back after this with your calls, text and emails and ed Geen and Brooks Slater from Psyclopedia. All right, welcome back the John Lennon UFO sighting that I mentioned earlier. That might sound like bunk, that might sound like witty, John Lennon taking the piss out of us, having a laugh, taking the piss out of us. I never know how to say it. I'm not even gonna try and say that's an English thing taking the piss, you know what I mean. But John Lennon was dead serious about what he saw. And to prove that to you, Zeth and I are gonna tell you exactly what we mean in the exclusive section of this after party coming up shortly.

10:28 Go to disgracelandpod dot com to become a Disgraceland All Access member so that you can hear this exclusive content and get ad free listening on all episodes. All right, that's later. Now let's hear what you guys have to say. Last week was Thanksgiving. I hope you all had a great holiday with your families. Thanksgiving means, of course, that we're talking about the greatest Thanksgiving concert film. Hell, the greatest concert film of all time in my eyes, the Last Waltz. We asked what is the greatest concert film in your opinion? And some of you go back to us, here is Ken in the eight one eight.

11:05 Hey, Jake, it's Ken in the eight one eight. I'm gonna cheat on my answer about the concert film. I Am trying to break your heart, but a film about Wilcom by Sam Jones. Not really a concert movie, but there's a lot of concert footage. Probably the best movie about a band ever. But in terms of concert film, the LCD sound system shut up and play the hits.

11:28 It'd be even better if they hadn't actually gotten back together. But yeah, that one would probably be in terms of concert footage. That's my number one. All right, man, take care, thank you, ken my man.

11:40 Man.

11:40 I saw that Will Come movie when it came out in the theaters in Davis Square, the Somerville Theater. Incredible, and you know, I loved it. I really truly loved it. And I never went back and watched it again, and you're reminding me, I need to go back and watch this. You know. Recently, I had YouTube on and I just was doing something else and it just kept playing and it pulled up the Jay Bennett from Willco documentary that was actually pretty good as well, and I recommend that if you haven't seen it, LCD sound systems, shut up and play the hits. Great concert film, and you're absolutely right, would have been better had they stayed broken up. But I think you know what a breakups even mean anymore?

12:22 Why break up? It doesn't make any sense. It really makes zero sense to break up. We don't live in a we don't live in a world and a culture, I should say, anymore where you know old people, supposedly old people can't play rock and roll. You just keep going, And obviously that's what LCD is gonna do. All right, Let's uh, let's move the conversation over to the greatest country singer of all time in light of our episode, our new part two episode on Merle Haggard. Let's check out the seven to seven.

12:54 Zero mister Jake. Name is Aiden from seven to seven zero. That's Northwest Georgia. Love the show. I've been binging it back and really enjoying it. Question was favorite country singer. I'm gonna go with kind of current and right now number one for well, I got two. I'm gonna say Culture Wall if you know him. If you don't, i'd say go check out Nothing. It's a cover of time Van's ant song. It's really good and Motorcycle. I'm gonna go Culture Wall, and I'm gonna go Chris Stapleton, Too Huge Superstar and I think he's already kind of established himself as a legend in the game, and he still has a lot of time left. And if you didn't know, he's a He also was the lean singer of a bluegrass band called the steel Drivers before he established himself solo.

13:46 So the Steel Drivers Reckless and the self title albums, those are both fantastic. Anyway, love the show, Hope you're doing well and have a happy holiday. From the seven seven zero.

13:58 You know, I like Chris Stapleton. I do. I don't listen to him on purpose, which is to say I don't listen to him enough. But is this one of these guys? Every time I hear anything, I kind of turn my head and go, what's this? Pretty good?

14:11 Uh?

14:11 Colton Wall I'm gonna I'm gonna check out on your recommendation, I'm gonna check out that Towns fan z Ant cover first and foremost appreciate the call seven seven oh six one seven nine oh six six six three eight. If you guys want to get in touch, you guys want to leave me a message about anything really, But you know, more importantly our UFO conversation, I'm digging that. What do you think watch age of disclosure. Call me six one seven nine oh six six six three eight after your mind has been fully blown, and let me know what you think. And let me know what you think about this concept of disclosure, and if you think our cultural icons are involved, our musicians are rock stars if they're part of the plan, unwittingly or otherwise. Six one seven

14:53 nine oh six six six three eight voicemail and text seven to two four text. I'm getting ahead of the question this week because I'll be playing catch up with podcasts. The voice that captivates me from country music would be for men Marty Robbins and for females Riba McIntyre. Both are just incredibly quintessential and have a large catalog of varying material. You can find anything in and stretch through range.

15:20 Good health to you in yours and later days. Jake seven two four Devil Woman by Marty Robbins, great great country song. Highly recommend it. Riba. I don't know much about Riba. She's the one who's on television all the time, right. I probably need Ariva se the what's the Riva corn Dog thing? What's that all about? I see that on Instagram.

15:39 This is a meme I don't know, hit me up seven two four, school me all right, and talking about great music films. We get this message from the four one six, and I want to read here great episode on music movies. Okay, so it's not a music film per se, but a documentary that I consider one of the greatest ever documentaries, Let's Get Lost, the chet Baker Story by Bruce Way. It contains what I consider the most affecting male jazz vocal performance ever recorded, which is the time blasted Chet Baker singing Almost Blue by Elvis Costello.

16:10 The review on the Wikipedia page captures the essence of the film. Terrence Rafferty, in his review for The New York Times wrote, and this is the quote from Rafferty in the Times quote the enduring fascination of Let's Get Lost. The reason it remains powerful even now when every value it represents is gone, is that it's among the few movies that deal with the mysterious, complicated emotional transactions involved in the creation of pop culture, and with the ambiguous process by which performers generate desire. Interesting. I wonder how Rafferty intended us to interpret the word desire by which performers generate desire. Does he mean performers generate generating desire in their from their audience or does he mean performers

17:02 generating desire as in their desire and their will to create? Fascinating Either way, Yes, you're right four one six incredible quote. And Let's Get Lost is an incredible movie. Shout out to Flee by the way from the right on Chili Peppers. You're right on that performance. It is incredible. It is absolutely incredible. No one ever sang like Chet Baker. And there was a thing when we were researching Chet Baker that I came upon when we were putting together our episode on Chet about how when he's sang he was on the edge of I think it was edge of tonality.

17:41 I think that's how it was described, where he just really feels like he's he's about to he's pushing it so far, but he's singing so subtly, but he feels like he's going to fall out of tune. And man, that's just I don't know who else does that or did that. It made it compelling and just Chet Baker was overall a very compelling guy with a very criminal past.

18:12 Super criminal. Check that episode out. One of my faves. Thanks for the text four one six. Appreciate you four two five, writes in Hey Jake Jewles from Cetown. One of my secret wishes every Thanksgiving is to take a time machine back to nineteen seventy six to see the last Wald Live, greatest concert of the twentieth century. Thanks for the story, love the show, you got it, Jules, Thanks for hitting us up, and thanks to everybody who's chimed in on the voicemail, on the text, on the DMS, on the emails. Appreciate you, guys. Wishing you in all of yours great holiday season. Jasmin Hughes writes in emails US subject new forensic evidence could rewrite the story of Kurt Cobaine's death. Hi, Jake and disgracing the team. I'm

18:56 reaching out because i believe I've uncovered something that fits squarely in disgrace Lands, Wheelhouse, music history, mystery, and real investigative gravity. A recently published, peer reviewed, multidisciplinary forensic report has emerged that calls into question the accepted narratives surrounding the death of Kirk Kobay. The report was prepared by forensic specialists Brian Burnett and doctor Gabrielle Ritter, and includes ballistic forensic reconstruction and investigative findings that were unavailable in nineteen ninety four. This is at hearsay or unfounded rumor.

19:27 It's a scientifically grounded, methodically sound, and peer reviewed evidence that raises serious concerns about inconsistencies and evidentiary oversights, and the original investigation given disgrace sunds legacy of digging into the darker or more complex truths behind the music world dot dot dot her music. Her email cuts off there.

19:49 This is interesting. I can't verify the veracity of this fifty four page document that the listener sent me here in email, so called peer reviewed forensic ballistic reconstruction in Kirk Cobain's death, but I will look into it. It is interesting, man. The people who don't believe Kirk Cobain oft himself are a legion. You guys will not give up, and you know, maybe there's something there. I don't know, what do I know? You know, as far as everything I've looked at, I believe the man was seriously, seriously doomed and that he took his own life. That's that's just based on all the research I've done, and I know many of you disagree with me, but I'm going to look into this doc and I appreciate you sending

20:40 it so thanks Mike Black emails us Jericho by the Band excellent recommendation. You got great taste, dude, have a good one. Regards Mike, Mike, appreciate you. Yeah, that was one of the recommendations from last week. You guys want to email me, hit me up disgrace on pod at gmail dot com, hit me on the cell six one seven nine six six sixty three eight, voicemail or text.

21:03 Talk about recommendations this week. I'm obviously recommending for a documentary, The Age of Disclosure, new doc that's out. You can find that on Amazon if you can't find it in your local theaters. I'm also recommending the album Christmas album called Christmas Card by The Temptations, which is just fantastic.

21:22 Check that out. You're gonna love it if you don't love it already. And for my book recommendation for the week, I just finished The Violent Bear It Away by Flannery O'Connor, and not an easy read, but not a long read, and in a lot of ways an incredible read. Especially for someone who likes to read about faith and reason, themes that you know, humanity struggles with constantly and has since the beginning of time. Flannery O'Connor has an amazing way of contextualizing it all in twentieth century American culture and the I went Bear It Away as a great example of that. Check that out if you are at all interested in those things, and you can always hit me up with your recommendations as well. You know how

22:09 to get in touch speaking recommendations. Send me some recommendations on Christmas movies, your favorite Christmas movies and New Year's movies, holiday movies, you know, Christmas, New Year's that, and I are going to be We're planning something special in the Hollywood Land feed and we'd like you guys to get involved.

22:26 So hit us up, all right, favorite Christmas movies, favorite New Year's movies, and you'll know why. In a couple of days. I'll be back in a flash with my conversation with Brooks Slater cyclopedia on Slayer and ed Gean. You're not gonna want to miss this. Crank up dead skin mask. Here we go, all right, guys, welcome back.

23:01 I was talking earlier about my wife and I, you know, are we gonna watch this ed Geen thing or not? And we watched some of it a little bit, a little taste, and I was repulsed. I'm not gonna lie this story. Now. I can handle a lot of stuff. I could not handle this story. And it all stems back, All goes back for me, all goes back to a song I heard when I was sixteen years old by a band I spent a lot of time with as a kid, not personally, just you know, in my headphones and in my speakers, a band called Slayer. I get into this, I get into this story, the ed Geen story, and trace it back to my history with Slayer with I guess you could call her an ed Geen expert.

23:41 She's absolutely a true crime expert. This is Brooks Slater from Psyclopedia in our conversation. All right, I wanted to talk to my next guest here, Brooke Slater, from the podcast Cyclopedia for some time about different true crimes represented throughout music history. Now, now, Brooke, you are a true crime expert. You are an actual criminal investigator, and you've covered ed Geen in depth. Now ed Geen is the subject of this Newish Netflix series Monster. That's been quite a topic, good debate around the house here. I've wanted to watch it. My wife wants no part of it.

24:20 I watched some of it. I was disgusted pretty quickly, even though I knew the story.

24:25 Normal reaction Usually it's opposite.

24:27 Usually it's the wife who really really wants to get into the true crime, and it's the husband who's like, man, I'm good.

24:32 Yeah, yeah, you would know. You've covered this story on the heels of the Netflix series in depth encyclopedia. You've done I believe, two episodes on the subject. It was a two parter, two parter, because I mean, honestly, this could have been a twenty two parter. The story is so massive, and it is so intense, and it is just it is a definition of insanity. I think my interest, though in ed Gean, doesn't originate from the Netflix, but rather from a song by a band called Slayer, a band that I loved as a kid, and they had a song back in the day called Dead Skin Mask, and that's how I first heard of this ed Gean story.

25:14 I was probably I think I was sixteen years old when that song came out, and since I started Disgraceland, which, you know, I wasn't a huge true crime podcast fan before I started the show. I certainly was, but I wasn't like one of these, like my wife huge true crime podcasts, you know, I was interested in And then I realized, God, I've been interested in true crime my whole life, so i've sort of but without knowing it.

25:36 So in the process of the podcast, I've sort of looked back at my formative years and my child and been like, what got me into true crime? And I realized that this Slayer song and this specifically this story about ed Gean, which was very pre podcast mythical story of horror story, right, Like, this is something we passed around the hallways at school, we at the bus stop, etc.

26:02 It was just like you couldn't believe it it was true. Some people believed it, some people didn't. So anyways, this is one of the things that got me first interested in true crime. I want to know what first got in you interested in true crime?

26:14 Oh my goodness, Well it started way way way back. I mean, I can't remember a time when I wasn't into true crime. Honestly, my grandmother used to read me true crime stories and fiction, horror and detective stories before bed like that was my bedtime story.

26:32 Everybody else get grandma.

26:33 Yeah, their mother goose stuff and I'm getting, you know, at gain for example. But and I have a twin sister, so she and I would be tucked in together and she would be hiding under the blankets with a pillow over her head like grandma, please stop. And I would be foaming at the mouth, like please, grandma. More So, I've always been into true crime. I went to school for criminal justice and criminology. I sort of always knew I wanted to wind up doing something.

26:59 In the field.

27:00 And there's so much to do, right, Like you kind of just spoke about it a little bit. In terms of a game, there's so many layers. There's the psychology, there's you know, the criminology. Obviously, there's the gruesomeness of it, which is actually not what.

27:15 I'm all about.

27:16 I'm all about highlighting the victims to the extent that I can, and understanding the mind behind the perpetrator.

27:22 You know.

27:22 Sort of one of the big premises of Psychopedia, or what I try to convey in every episode is I try and steer people away from referring to perpetrators as monsters because they feel like when you do that, you're categorizing them into this like other area and they're not. They're human beings and you need to understand them so that we can crack the code and prevent it from happening again. So we can understand that everybody comes with the history and circumstances, and if we can dive into that and understand it, then maybe we could prevent future crimes from happening. So this is always where I've lived.

27:58 This has always been my head space. I've always been, you know, a creepy kind of girl. There's never been a point when I haven't loved true crime. And now I get to do it for a living.

28:07 Right right, I wonder how many ed genes we've prevented from happening. So this story talk about creepy. I mean, you're joking about yourself being a creepy kind of girl. This is the creepiest I know. I know you just said you don't want us to call these people monsters. That's literally the name of the series about this guy.

28:23 It is.

28:24 And I don't want to go against what you just said, but against I don't know how to categorize this guy. This is this is next level. And it's interesting because the song, the Slayer song, this is you know, the music is the music, history of it all is my side of the fence. And the song, when you read the lyrics, they're not that creepy there. They're a little bit more figurative than they are literal suggestive. When you hear the song, however, and you hear the lyrics on song with the music, it's creepy as all hell. It just it goes right up my spine. And I think it just reminds me of that there's something like you said, you know, when you're talking about your grandmother and you and your sister being under the covers and hearing these stories,

29:11 I think there's there's things are more fearful in adulthood when we can root them to our formative years. In some ways, yes, and that's what this song does for me. So I thought it might be interesting if because you're you're you're a true crime expert, you're certainly way more knowledgeable what ed gan than I am. I thought it might be interesting if we tell the story of ed Gean through the Slayer lyrics. Here and see. I just kind of want to do some some association here, and I hate to put you on the spot, but I want to. I want to read you the lyrics, essentially passages from the lyrics, and have you relate them to the Edgeen story, and we'll sort of piece together the narrative here as we go.

29:53 Let's do it. I love it.

29:55 I listened to the song driving over here, but I was busy, like jamming to it, and I wasn't really so heavy into the lyrics.

30:02 So this will be fun to dive into it.

30:04 Okay, great, I'm going to start at the top here, so here we go. Now, I just want to give people a tiny bit of context to make this perhaps a little bit creepier for those who don't know anything about Edgean. This is nineteen fifties Wisconsin, Is that right?

30:18 That's correct.

30:19 It's this guy who lives with his mother and his sister. I believe that dad brother, excuse me, the dad is gone, right, The dad's out of the house.

30:29 He was there for a little while.

30:31 He initially was ed his brother and his two parents, and they were just one fucked up little family living in isolated rural Wisconsin.

30:41 Right, totally totally off the grid.

30:44 Not in a sense that you know, they didn't mingle with society, but they were on the fringes for sure. And his mother is really the one who wore no, I don't want to say wore the pants.

30:55 That's first of all horrible, I hate that expression.

30:58 But she basically had everybody in a psychological choke hold. So when his father ultimately died, it sort of didn't even ship the dynamic in the household because his mother was always the one in charge, always the one calling the shots. So nothing really changed when he died. Everything, however, changed when she died, right right.

31:18 Okay, so we're nineteen fifties where rural America, Wisconsin, rural society for this family anyways, domineering mother. And just so those of you movie fans out there, ed Gean was the loose inspiration for Norman Bates in Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho, also loose inspiration for the Texas Chainsaw massacre story. Not a literal adaptation, but that's what we're doing dealing with.

31:48 That's at the court here. So let's get into the slayer lyrics.

31:51 Yeah, there's actually a third movie loosely based on him. As well, or a character I should say, and that's Buffalo Bill in Silence.

31:58 Of the Lambs.

31:59 So he's had you know, I was going to mention this earlier. Even if you think you don't know who ed Green is, chances are you do because you've seen one of those movies right right.

32:09 And if you're a true crime fan, you absolutely know who ed Geen is, but you might not know who you know whose slayer is, what the slayer song is? And here we go. It's absolutely based on ed Gean. They've said it explicitly.

32:21 Here.

32:21 Here are the lyrics, the beginning lyrics. So, Brooke, I want to know what part of the story you think this relates to? Lyrics? Go, how I've waited for you to come. I've been here all alone. Now that you've arrived, please stay awhile and I promise I won't keep you long. I'll keep you forever, forever, forever, forever.

32:40 And that he did, or that he tried to do. So here's my take on it.

32:45 As we mentioned, he was, you know, in this psychological choke hold from his mother. He thought of his mother as the one woman he loved in his entire life. He really did not know how to exist when she died. So the honestly it's a very little translation. But how I've waited for you to come, I think, is how I've waited for you to come back. So she died in nineteen forty five. Eighteen months later is when he unearthed his first corpse.

33:13 Okay, hold on, hold on, explain we any details here? Unearthing the first corpse, I've waited for you to come, so Sillo talk for me.

33:22 So yeah, definitely have me pump the brakes. So Augusta his mother died, as I said, in nineteen forty five, and he was lost. He was like a ship without an anchor, he really was. He did not know how to think for himself. He didn't know how to live in the world without her. She had taught him everything he knew and didn't know because he kept her. She kept him rather so isolated and shielded. When she died, he closed off her bedroom, he closed off the living room.

33:52 He made like this macab museum out of their shared home, and he wouldn't touch anything that belonged to her. As time went on, and I think the wall started to close it in on him and he started to just psychologically unravel. He was needing his mother. He was needing her in a very literal sense. So he had the idea to literally recreate her using the flesh of dead women who resembled her. So he would go through the obituaries and he would find freshly deceased women who mimicked his mother, typically physically, but also a lot of times in personality as well. So he would unearth their corpses, dig them up, take them back to his home, and then go to town on literally picking them apart and making items that he could hold onto forever, which is

34:44 you know, I've been here all alone, as the lyric, since she died, for eighteen months.

34:48 He was there all alone.

34:50 Now that you've arrived, meaning now that I've basically unearthed what symbolically represents you, please stay a while.

34:57 I'm going to make you into a nipple belt. I'm gonna maek you into a chair.

35:02 I'm going to use women's skulls and eat my soup out of them. In the kitchen, he kept nine volvas in a box underneath his bed, which, by the way, he painted silver and salted. I think probably to preserve I don't think he was actually eating anything.

35:21 Yeah, I know, this is this is a lot.

35:23 I don't even know what to say to that except nine Volvas might have been the B side to Dead Skin Masks. So I'm I'm not trying to not trying to joke, but I am okay. So he's I don't even know where to go. I mean, this is this is in part. I don't know this story like you know it clearly, and I had a real hard time with getting into the TV show. And you know, I've seen stuff. I've seen the images of the nipple belt.

35:50 I've seen these things that are just completely psychotic. And it's really interesting to me because the Slayer song comes out in nineteen ninety and Slayer was like, they weren't a band that was me. I mean, they were about as mainstream as a thrash metal band could get, but they weren't as mainstream as Metallica or even Anthrax. MTV Headbanger's Ball would play them, but they got no radio play, no mainstream video play because their lyrics were considered to be extreme. And as we're going through this story, it's clear to me that the reality here is far more extreme than what they put in the song. And I can actually I would bet, you know, you know whatever, you want to bet that they made a choice and

36:36 they had to pull back on being explicit in the lyrics for fear of just you know, not getting any airplay and not you know, who knows what, like how how the censorship would have been applied, because the reality here, everything, the details you just listed are completely fucked up. And it's it's a little bit strange to me that here we are in twenty twenty five and it's mainstreamed in not only a podcast like Yours Are Mine, but in or other true crime podcasts, but on a Netflix series, and it's huge, And this is the stuff we're talking about.

37:09 I'm going to go to the next layer of care graze the skin with my fingertips, the brush of dead cold flesh, appease the means, provoking images, delicate features so smooth, a pleasant I can't even get it out, A pleasant fragrance in the light of the moon. What is mister ed Geen up to in.

37:29 This verse, Well, slayer I think took some creative liberties, which is absolutely their right to do so, no judgment on that. Well, yes, so he definitely obviously would finesse the skin he made masks out of real human faces. He used special oils and he peeled off the faces. He preserved it, and he made actual masks. He also made what was referred to as a mammary vest, which was he essentially skinned the torso of a deceased woman, breaststill intact, and then.

37:58 He would wear the skin suit.

38:00 So yes, he would graize his the skin with his fingertips, and he would do a lot fucking more than that. The brush of dead, cold flesh appeased. The means pretty self explanatory. Here's where he took. I believe Slayer took two creative liberties, provoking images, delicate features so smooth. His mother was a very severe looking woman. She was of German descent. And the women that he dug up and actually killed, he did kill two women were very sort of big bones, severe looking women. There was sort of I wouldn't use the word delicate to describe their features, okay, And their features at this point would not have been smooth because they were decomposed. Okay, that's fine, Slayer. The next line a pleasant fragrance in the light of the moon.

38:45 So here's a big sticking point Edgin did not enjoy the scent of decomposing flesh. In fact, the reason he provides for countering anybody who claims that he was accountable or a necrophiliac is that he could not stand the stench of flesh, so he didn't eat it and he didn't have.

39:05 Sex with it.

39:05 A lot of sources will say he's a necrophiliac. There's actually different types of necro files. There are those who do get off on decomposing flesh, so they will have sex with dead bodies, and then there's necro files who just get off on the fact that the body is dead and they have ultimate control to do with that body whatever they want, So.

39:27 A pleasant fragrance not according to Ed Deane.

39:30 I get that completely. It's interesting though. The smell of death is a real is obviously a real thing. We covered it in our Norwegian black metal episode where there was the singer in this Norwegian band who just became I mean his name was dead Mayhem. Yeah.

39:48 I did an episode on them, so I actually yeah, and.

39:52 So you know that he was actually obsessed with the smell of death, and he would carry around dead birds so he could on them and and it's so it's I can't even I can't. I literally can't understand it. I can if you've ever smelled anything dead, like you got an animal I've had. We lived in an old New England house and we would get animals trapped in the walls, and it's just it's absolutely disgusting. I can't understand how somebody's brain makes this switch and that becomes something that they're into. And apparently I was a bridge too far for ed Geenes.

40:30 Apparently, so exactly. Yeah, I mean I think I think that's just it.

40:35 You just touched on a really important point, you know what I mean, it's just the psychology. It's the you know, perpetrators on this level or you know, in the case of dead for example, they're so complex, you know. And again if you label them monsters and you kind of put them in their own category and you say, like, well, you know, they're just not like us, and so it is what it is. You're never going to learn about them and you're never going to figure out what makes them the way they are. And if if you can't figure that out, you can't protect the future. Basically, not to get too heavy with this, he is a human being.

41:08 He came from somewhere.

41:09 Ed Gean, he came from a really difficult background psychologically speaking, and it took its toll and it manifested in a very fucked up way.

41:19 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Okay, let's take it here to the next set of lyrics. Dance with the dead, speaking to dead, Dance with the dead in my dreams. Listen to their hallowed screams, the dead of taking my soul. I know where this is going. Temptations lost all control.

41:39 Okay, dance with the Dead in my dreams. Ed Gean did struggle with hallucinations.

41:46 Really.

41:46 Yeah. He felt that he could hear his mother's voice after she died.

41:50 He felt that he could see faces in the leaves, for example, and he felt that he could always smell rot.

41:58 What's interesting is he he.

42:00 Had that sort of old factory hallucination before he was unearthing corpses. Initially, when I was researching this, I felt like, well, you're smelling rot because you're digging up dead bodies.

42:10 But this actually happened before that.

42:12 But yeah, he was having auditory hallucinations, he was having visual hallucinations, and I think ultimately it was all of that that ended up pushing him over the edge in such a way that made him end up taking two lives and then unearthing all of these corpses. Listen to their hallowed screams. He didn't kill the women. He did sadly kill two women, Mary Hogan and Bernice Warden, but he killed them very quickly. Neither one of them knew what was happening. He shot them both in the head unfortunately, so there were no screams. So listen to their hallowed screams.

42:45 I think is just a creative liberty. The dead have taken my soul, I think is symbolic of his mother taking his soul when she died and taking everything that she created that he did not know how to run with. When she died, the wheel came off, So I think that is that lyric has to do with that. And then Temptations lost all control is like, fuck it, I'm just gonna go all in at this point, and I'm gonna wear female breasts and genitals, which he did.

43:14 Simple smiles lude, psychotic eyes lose all mind control, rationale declines, empty eyes enslave the creations of placid faces and lifeless pageants.

43:29 So the psychotic eyes part is what's interesting to me. Interestingly, not every expert is on the same page as to whether or not ed Gean was psychotic.

43:40 Really yeah, so and.

43:43 Keep see alternative if he's not.

43:45 Psychotic a personality disorder. So in a legal sense, they're very different things. You sort of have to understand whether or not a perpetrator has psychosis or they're dealing with mental health issues and what kind of mental health issues, because it helps you to deter.

44:00 In the sentencing for that perpetrator.

44:02 So a finding of psychosis means that the individual lacked the capacity to understand right from wrong when they were committing the crime in question. So when it comes to sentencing, you're not going to lock that person up in a prison. You're going to send that individual to know a psychiatric institution for treatment they may not ever see mainstream society. Again, that's not what I'm saying. They're not given a pass, but they are not given prison. So at the time, ed Gain was deemed psychotic and he was sent to live out the rest of his days in a psychiatric institution.

44:37 But there are experts today who feel that since our understanding of mental health has shifted so much since the nineteen fifties, that it's not really one hundred percent, you know, the case that he would be looked at as legally insane today. So the question is did he know what he was doing was wrong and he did it anyway, right?

45:01 Or did he not even.

45:02 Realize that what he was doing was wrong? And that is the crux of the criminal justice system really, right?

45:08 Right? What do you think?

45:10 Great question? I kind of.

45:15 When you're looking at whether or not somebody knew what they were doing was wrong and that they did it anyway, you want to look at things like premeditation. Now, people think that premeditation means that you're sitting and you're plotting and you have every single detail calculated. That's not necessarily what premeditation is. So pre meditation is also were their steps taken to cover up the crime? Was there any thought put into committing the crime where you're covering your tracks, where there's this sort of mental awareness that what you're doing is wrong enough that you could get in trouble.

45:47 And if you see.

45:48 Those elements in a crime, then that can constitute us premeditation.

45:54 You saw that with ed Gean.

45:56 He only dug up the bodies under the pale moonlight, right, So he waited until it was pitch black and the world was asleep. To me, that suggests premeditation. When he was ultimately put in the back of a squad car. When he was ultimately picked up, the first thing out of his mouth was, I was framed, which was very silly if you listen to the coverage of it. I'm like, you dumb fuck, Like you don't even know why you're in the back of that police car already.

46:23 Confessing to something.

46:24 But basically he had the wherewithal to know, oh shit, I'm getting caught for something that I've done. Here, I'm going to say I was framed. So those two things kind of put up a red flag that there was premeditation. However, all of that said, I think that he was suffering from psychosis.

46:41 Really wow, fascinating, absolutely fascinating. All right, let's keep going here. In the depths of a mind insane, fantasy and reality are the same, right mm hmm. I mean that goes to.

46:58 What you were just saying exactly exactly right, Like, if you can't tell that what you're doing is wrong, if you just you've lost all sense of you know exactly what's right and wrong, what's reality? What's fantasy then, you know, to in their lyrics, is your mind insane? Which obviously the definition of insanity, you know, in a legal sense, is different from the definition of you know, somebody who's insanity in a mental health sense. But in the end ed Gain was not, you know, was deemed criminally insane.

47:30 So that was that was at the time what he was considered.

47:35 This last lyric incized members, I'm skipping the course again, insized members, ornaments on my being adulating the skin before me.

47:46 Yeah, can you guess? Can you guess what that means?

47:48 Take?

47:50 Can you give us your best shot?

47:51 I can't. I mean, that's the thing that turns me off with the series is the dancing around, the wearing of the dead body parts, the ornaments on my being quote unquote, I just it's hard to imagine, never mind to watch the visual the dramatization of it. Yeah. Really, And I know my listeners are probably gonna be like, what are you fucking talking about? You've depicted the goryous shit possible. I don't know. There's just there's something about this story that that just strikes me. It's like the Damer story is very similar. It schemes me out in a way that that most stories don't for some for some reason. I mean, I've done cannibalism. I mean I've covered cannibalism the past, nice numerous times, big lurch. We

48:34 talked about mayhem. But I don't know, man, There's there's just something about I guess the wearing of flesh that is just.

48:42 It gets you.

48:43 I mean, listen, good for you, man, I don't have that I wish I did. I have lost all ability to there's no more line for you, There's no more line. I have not lost my empathy at all for the victim. So you know, in that sense, I'm still one hundred percent feeling constantly, which is my cross to bear being a true crime podcaster. But no, I can't. I can't get past my fascination with this stuff. I think enough to feel.

49:12 The gruesomeness of it, if that makes sense.

49:15 It's all so symbolic to me that I'm almost looking past the act.

49:20 Yeah, I'm looking for the reason behind the act. You so you can objectify the act and the horror of it is a separate thing, and you do it masterfully. Your show is incredible.

49:31 Thank you.

49:31 I'm glad we got to meet. I'm a fan. I love that we've been able to talk a little bit about this and you've been You've been super curious about the music side of it, which is awesome. I know my listeners are gonna love your show. Everybody tell everybody, tell Discos where Cyclopedia is available, when when the episodes hit, and where else they can find you.

49:49 Yes, and thank you Jake, by the way, also huge fan of yours. I have been for a long time. I've been wanting this to happen for so so long, So thank you, thank you for this moment. Cyclopedia It drops every single Wednesday. It's available wherever you get your podcasts, also.

50:04 On Instagram and TikTok.

50:06 I actually you would just follow at investigator Slater versus Psyclopedia. That's kind of where I post everything relating to what I do. And yeah, I have Patreon, dot com.

50:16 Slash Psyclopedia pod as well for extra.

50:18 True crime content, behind the scenes stuff, opportunity to guest co hosts with.

50:22 Me over there. But yeah, otherwise the main feed.

50:25 I would love to have you on the main feed, everybody, And that's anywhere you listen to podcasts.

50:30 Nice and what's you just did the two episodes on ed Gan. What else do you have coming up? What's coming up next?

50:36 The next one I have coming up is, Oh, it's another It's another doozy.

50:42 Yeah, it's it's about.

50:44 This is Wild, a teenage boy who murdered his parents and then hid their remains in his bedroom and through a massive house party. So I'm going to go to town on the psychology there because that's fucking wild.

50:58 That's that reminds me of the Disgrace lineups. So we did on club Kid from New York, Michael aleg who ended up very similarly. He he killed his friend who was this drug dealer, chopped him up into little pieces, put him gonna put him in a box, and then had had just started partying and then multiple parties with this his the friend is like rotting in a box in this like luxury high rise apartment in New York City.

51:23 There's like flies. Everyone's like, what's in the box, dude, He's like, oh nothing. He actually he's like, oh that's Angel. That's where Angel is.

51:31 Like where's this guy going to get his drugs? Now, you don't bite the hand that feeds you exactly.

51:35 That dude called me. That dude called me when he got out of prison. That was fucked up. Oh shit, yeah that was I had I actually released it. It was nuts. All right, I'm going off I'm going off topic here. I love it. This is great. Thank you so much, Brooke. Appreciate you. I hope all the disgrace and listeners get to listen to Cyclopedia and I don't know, we get into more true crime and music overlap. Be awesome to have you.

51:57 Back and look too anytime. Thank you so much.

52:18 All right, guys, hope you dug that interview with myself and Brooke sort of tracing back my uh it would be an overuse of the word trauma, but sort of you know my uh my ed geen kinda hebe GB's back back back to cel goes back to Slayer. Doesn't everything go back to heavy metal? I don't know, it kind of does for me anyhow. Check out Brooke. She's obviously very informed, intelligent, way up on true crime. If you're a true crime head, like I know most of you are, check out her show Cyclopedia. Uh, it's fantastic.

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