376: Fallout TV Season 1 Rewatch - Episodes 1 & 2 w/ John (40k Lorecast)

0:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Robots radio, games, lore, stories, community, just press play. [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Fallout lore cast. [SPEAKER_01]: The podcast that explores the boundaries of our knowledge about the world of Fallout. [SPEAKER_01]: Wastelanders and Valtwellers. [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the Fallout lorecast.

0:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We're changing things up because we're just a few weeks away from season two of the Fallout TV show and I thought it would be the perfect time to go back through season one and do a rewatch and I brought with me my good buddy who I'm starting a new show with. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to tease that.

0:45 [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of that that's going on too, but also maybe not a super secret fan of Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, one of the biggest fans that I know of those first two games, John from the 40K Lorquest, John. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for hanging out and talking for all of you with me. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me on there.

1:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, fall, I cannot express people how much I've played Fallout over the years. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, starting back in the late 90s. [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, who was it, mid 90s? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great, and 97, well, well, [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, with someone out there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we've been doing similar conversations like that.

1:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what year was that? [SPEAKER_01]: Because we're launching a show. [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be out in a few weeks called Retro Recall. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll remind you about it in the future when it's officially out. [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a video first, but also audio kind of show where we discuss our favorite games from the past if they still hold up.

1:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And some other fun and wacky things. [SPEAKER_01]: But let's, let's move on and talk about Fallen because you and I have just rewatched at least the first four episodes in prepping for this and here's how the format's going to go I'm going to take a scene by scene through the show and I'm going to point out some things that I noticed and you're going to point out some things that you noticed and what I just want to set expectations for you because when the season originally came out we got a whole bunch episodes real fast and I didn't do a breakdown every episode one at a time kind of thing.

2:06 [SPEAKER_01]: There are a hundred videos on YouTube that are going to give you every single little detail about every little piece of lore and all of that. [SPEAKER_01]: This is something else. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a... [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it since it came out. [SPEAKER_01]: John hasn't seen it since it came out.

2:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just a few weeks away from season two, and I want to were both remind myself, but also see how it feels... [SPEAKER_00]: Now, to watch it again, and if I have any other observations or things like that, yeah, because the thing is, when you want to show like this, like fall out where this is eaten up my life, I know this show, I know this lore, I love this concept more than most things in gaming.

2:41 [SPEAKER_00]: When you're watching this show, you're always like, well, what are they going to cover next? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what are they going to cover next? [SPEAKER_00]: Since your brain is not always in the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: It's all in the, what's the storyline we're going to where is it going to be?

2:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're always waiting for that great, big reveal of like, as the NCR going to be there. [SPEAKER_00]: You're where is the only place? [SPEAKER_00]: All these things. [SPEAKER_00]: once you know it, it's actually fun to go back through a second time because I think as a deep fan of fallout, you almost appreciate it more on the second walkthrough where you're not trying to find every easter egg, uncover every hint, et cetera, et cetera.

3:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, like, for example, the scene with the goper. [SPEAKER_01]: The first time that game I was going, oh, is it a death claw? [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's a death claw. [SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't a death claw. [SPEAKER_01]: And so now the whole rest of the show, I'm going, is there gonna be a death claw?

3:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But this time, I've got pages of notes. [SPEAKER_01]: I sat there watching this, taking pages of notes. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm noting this more like it's a literary analysis where film analysis, than I am as a fan of follow-up going, oh, look, there's new cacola over there. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that kind of thing.

3:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's where we're coming from on this one. [SPEAKER_01]: So did you have something else you wanted to add? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a significant thing about fallout to at least for me watching it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about you. [SPEAKER_00]: So I watched this with my wife who's never played a. I see my wife loves fallout.

4:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So she's like, I think my wife, I had the inverse. [SPEAKER_00]: So I also had someone next to me who I was like, well, what does that mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, right here you go. [SPEAKER_00]: So, which is great because I'm super happy she watched it with me. [SPEAKER_00]: It was great and she and she liked the show.

4:11 [SPEAKER_00]: She's looking forward to season two as well. [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also some of those elements. [SPEAKER_00]: And so watching it again, you get this nice little, hey, and I'll also, I wonder if you've seen silo a show now and it's on, it's on, I want to say it's on Apple or there's so many streaming services but I feel like it's Apple.

4:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Silo is another post-apocalyptic one where you're not really sure why the apocalypse happened. [SPEAKER_00]: it's an interesting concept. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not fallout. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even fallout adjacent. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just post-apocalyptic. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And having seen that and then rewatch this also triggered some things, because they're also in pseudo-volts.

4:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They're in silos. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a whole bunch of things to it. [SPEAKER_00]: Good show, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Similarity is the difference. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But it is that same post-apocalyptic bit. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like watching this again. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything's kind of such a trick in your brain.

5:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: So so we're bringing a different perspective than when I first watched it Season one and I kind of commented it on it a little bit on the show Didn't go into deep dive, but here. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into it. [SPEAKER_01]: We're starting with episode one and Episode one starts out in the past.

5:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the pre great war and it's at the birth of us before the end Right at the bus before fallout. [SPEAKER_00]: So like Terminator 2, which is now behind us [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's funny how they work when you do fiction. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is the day the bombs drop, but of course they don't know that.

5:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Cooper Howard and his daughter are doing this birthday party for these other kids. [SPEAKER_01]: It's clearly that's how he's getting work now. [SPEAKER_01]: And there are a lot of hints, even in this first scene that are kind of foreshadowing other things that show up during throughout the rest of the season, right?

5:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's start with you, John. [SPEAKER_01]: What were some of your first thoughts on seeing the birthday party in Cooper Howard? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, it's really more the scenes more of a set-up scene. [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, as you don't really know, who are these people?

6:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say the part that triggered me when I first watched it and then going back to kind of cool was, hey, why is there this same us an actor who's about to die? [SPEAKER_00]: And how is he not going to die? [SPEAKER_00]: Was actually my original thought going through it? [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, later obviously we're gonna cover who he is, but overall like the opening scene I think was met less for fall-out fans Then for hey like I use my wife who's never seen it before what's going on?

6:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this yeah, and there's [SPEAKER_01]: So there's lots of little hints, so for example, the television says that the president's gone into hiding, they don't know where he is. [SPEAKER_01]: We know he's on the oil rig or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing onclave stuff because they know bombs are about to fall.

6:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do they know bombs are about to fall? [SPEAKER_01]: And did they launch it? [SPEAKER_01]: We still are, it's still fuzzy, it's still fuzzy. [SPEAKER_01]: We get some, okay, maybe Valtek's behind it. [SPEAKER_01]: We get some Tim King talked about how we always thought it was the Chinese who did it.

6:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're still [SPEAKER_01]: We still have not gotten the definitive this person push the button first all we got was the intent of dropping bombs Well, yeah, it's the thing we got and fall out for where all of a sudden the news broadcast is going and then the bomb hits, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the president has gone, they ask him to do a thumbs up and he says, well, you know, with the state of things, that sort of thing.

7:21 [SPEAKER_01]: There's hints here in Cooper's personality, his response to the guys who call him a pinko, they think he's like, or they called somebody else a pinko, I think, or no, they called him a pinko, because at this point, he stood up for not believing in what's going on. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's been ostracized from Hollywood, it seems to be the case, because that's why he's doing children's parties.

7:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: my sense of this is this is my first watching thinking back to this it's like okay he's already confronted his wife there's already some conflict there I think that there's been a lot more conflict here with Cooper than we've seen and I think that some of season two hints at that with him going and meeting with Mr. House and some of the dialogue that we see in the trailers when Mr. House tells him that basically like I don't need to be your enemy like why [SPEAKER_01]: He's with Valtek.

8:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He already has a negative opinion about Valtek due to things that he's found out. [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, that's just a piece of it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think we have a Cooper who is who did something that drastic enough to get shunned by Hollywood and to get. [SPEAKER_00]: Finally my expectation and I'm hoping it's that it's not just this blend is that yeah He tried to expose the truth of Voltaic in the government to the journalist he then got silent And it's like it's between this and movies and TV before work I'm gonna go tell everyone and they do it, but actually broadcast and no one because they cut the broadcast off and then he's kind of stuck something like that [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be that thing.

8:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He had some sort of drastic thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I will say the part in the first episode that I liked the most was it's messed up when it is when the house there and has a fallout shelter. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's fighting people off so you can't get in there.

9:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So that is. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this plays into what I think is the primary theme of the show, and it plays into some things that I've talked about in episodes before, and this show is creating a very strong juxtaposition between, and you hear in some of the other episodes, the things that Lucy grows up with in the vault, the golden rule and all of that, the being good to people because it's the right thing to do, and it just just opposes that with the things people have to do [SPEAKER_01]: Is there any real value in being moral for the sake of being good or should we all just be selfish and think for ourselves and and look out for ourselves only which is what happens in many of these different scenarios you have you have when the bomb goes off and the guy punches his buddy tells him he can't come in his vault you have you have and I'm going to point this out as we get through some of these other episodes but there's constantly attention between what is the right answer and I think the show is subtly taking us to a place where it goes

10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: both in neither at the same time, it depends on the situation. [SPEAKER_00]: That's fallout though, I mean, that fall out too and fall out new Vegas. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's something a lot of people get wrong in the internet because they'll say something like, well, according to fallout, if you live in the wasteland, well, you should always just look out for yourself, because that's always the better choice.

10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But we see examples in the show where shows that that's not necessarily the ratio. [SPEAKER_01]: It says that. [SPEAKER_01]: The NCR approves that the opposite. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, there are people who are, who are street-played, it's like, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: like pro authoritarian pro like I just only look out for myself and it's so it's better to look out for yourself And then but that's just as naive as saying well, it's always good to do things for other people and put yourself last Well, that's just as dangerous the both of those things don't work you have to find a middle middle ground anyway [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get through the scene.

10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got, uh, we've got Grognax shows up on the television with the kids. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that's fun. [SPEAKER_01]: I love the scene where there's camera flashes that foreshadow the flash from the bomb going off. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of these cinematic tells and preps.

11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, even in the music, I'm going to point this out a lot too. [SPEAKER_01]: Orange colored skies. [SPEAKER_01]: The song starts out with. [SPEAKER_01]: Orange colors guy, typically meaning like a nice sunset, but this guy is going to be orange for different reasons. [SPEAKER_01]: You get a few different things all in this first scene that I think you're right kind of set things off.

11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, he rides off on the horse with his cowboy hat outfit on. [SPEAKER_01]: Right to take his daughter. [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't hop in a car. [SPEAKER_01]: He got there on a horse because that was part of his hope get up. [SPEAKER_01]: I think this shows, tell me, John, if you think that this is what this means, I think it is, this happens a lot in TV shows and movies where you visually signify a thing in order to note a change or that a change is already happened with the character from a mental standpoint.

11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's signaling to us that he has already changed. [SPEAKER_01]: He is already the cowboy of the wasteland at this point, because he's already hinted at pushing back against Voltaque being fired for his being a communist, which is of course the label that give anybody who doesn't agree with them.

12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is symbolic. [SPEAKER_01]: That by this point, he is a different person. [SPEAKER_00]: Say it over there. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right. [SPEAKER_00]: I missed it till you just said that. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's right. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like now clearly he's not hop on horse.

12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Horse or car, you're not out running in that embom. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're not really an average when you get on. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just symbolic that he is already the cowboy that we will see him become. [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's not killing the other people at the place.

12:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like he's clearly not in threat of his life from them. [SPEAKER_01]: So he's not going to shoot people in front of his daughter. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that his [SPEAKER_01]: his personality, his agenda has already flipped, right? [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we've got to keep moving.

12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, this is going to be a lie. [SPEAKER_01]: I said, all right, Lucy and the vault. [SPEAKER_01]: We have the whole the introduction to the vault. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the little intro with true. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then the whole getting prep for the wedding. [SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on this part?

12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, this was more from me just as a fan, I loved seeing the way they did the vault because it was, they did keep the, I like calling it caricature because that's what it was. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the first fallout, the first fallout, there was almost a clay nation the way those guys moved.

13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the fallout too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And so seeing some of these bits in there, I liked a lot, the diversity of the vault, the way the vault function. [SPEAKER_00]: That was really more what I was interested in. [SPEAKER_00]: the her getting married thing.

13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It was more as we move through this scene. [SPEAKER_00]: It was more about like, all right, how are they going to interpret what a vault really looks like? [SPEAKER_00]: And what I liked about it is that they did, in my mind, the right thing of they made it, not really make sense, because they don't make sense in the game.

13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're not big enough to actually support as many people. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't hide your panic farm this well. [SPEAKER_00]: All these little bits of right. [SPEAKER_00]: It's all, it's, it's, it's make believe. [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a personal package. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to stop your insights from pouring out when you've been stabbed with exactly.

14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like somehow, it's just a way the vault function, the way the doors moved, all those things. [SPEAKER_00]: There's something about that that I like that looked. [SPEAKER_00]: you know, fake, but the good way because I don't like when my sci-fi gets explained to me because it doesn't work.

14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I run a right podcast on a warhammer 40K universe. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I like, yes, it is an abomination of physics. [SPEAKER_00]: They try to keep it somewhere in there, but it is an abomination of physics. [SPEAKER_00]: It's more about the story than the real exactly.

14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I have fun with it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's supposed to be. [SPEAKER_00]: So I like that part of it. [SPEAKER_00]: But I also thought, Lucy, I liked the naivety of her. [SPEAKER_00]: That was also really nice thing, because that's also a key thing in all the vaults.

14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It has always been, especially in the earlier games. [SPEAKER_00]: But even into the later games, that the vault dwellers are, you know, kind of for lack of, yeah, it's Fallout 3. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's my fault. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's Fallout 3 when you're in the vault, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first,

14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, it was one of like that same style of like no one really understands what the real world is. [SPEAKER_00]: I like that they did that and I thought they did a really good job of it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they set it up very good, but they also set up the fact that she is capable.

15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: She's been trained to use firearms. [SPEAKER_01]: She's been trained in some forms of personal combat. [SPEAKER_01]: She's been like, she may not be as good as it is somebody who's like in the military or something. [SPEAKER_01]: But she's not like the vault has even in its naivete has prepared her for certain things that kind of work sometimes.

15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but in it you're because it's seeing where you know that she fights off her now. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're still husband at this point. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she fights him off she obviously does know how to fight and because she has been trained in combat. [SPEAKER_00]: She knows how to heal her own wound all these things.

15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's again, it's nice to mosh back into the game to me of like because this is where it was because as [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fall out one, you are a vault dweller, fall out three, fall out four, you are a follower for the little weirder, but fall out one in three, you are raised in a vault vault dweller who now it goes out of the world and in one case has to kill a bunch of rats and the other case has to kill a bunch of rat scorpions.

16:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_01]: That's step one, you know, and some kind of stuff, fight, fight some little critters up for you. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so okay, so this scene we've got you're the only one I'll ever love as the song, which is ironic a lot of this music is now ironic because it sounds happy and loving even though the terrible situations are about to happen Who do you suppose I really love becomes the next song notice the shift to there?

16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: from you're the only one I'll ever do. [SPEAKER_01]: Who do I love? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, some insecurity. [SPEAKER_01]: Little details like when they're having, when everyone's gathered together and her dad's doing the thing at the front, there's a behinder, there's a speaker system and it's a tracks speaker system.

16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the brand. [SPEAKER_01]: But it looks like a box. [SPEAKER_01]: speaker like being somebody who played in bands and there's amps stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: The grill on it looks like a box amp so I thought that was super cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Little details like her father Hank mentioning things like a better way, like teaching the people in the wasteland a better way, it really leans into the idea that the vaults are ideologically completely on board with the on-clave.

17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: to the enclave, if you are not somebody who is here and unradiated and a regular human being who is pristine, then you are less than human. [SPEAKER_01]: And there are little hints that the language that the vault has used has makes them think that they are the savers of the wasteland for those poor wasteland people out there who are kind of not really even people.

17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested to see how the show goes with on-clave vault relationship because the pending on the game it moves around quite a bit. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that's solidified is that the on-clave is 100% on-board with vault tech. [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the higher-ups were probably on-clave members, all of that stuff, which is highly, I mean, we don't have definitive lines.

18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a scene in the show where you have these different heads of CEOs of companies lining up. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, at the vault. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's more than like, like, from my lords, I was all game-based. [SPEAKER_00]: So from the game, it is a question of like, all right, how tight is it?

18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the, you have some of the, were the ideas, the vaults were actually a human experiment. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: The prevailing thoughts throughout the other games up to this point and goes back to the originals is that the vaults themselves were test beds for if humanity could survive traveling to another star system.

18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the idea was that you take human beings and you put them isolate them and then you try to try different variables of the kinds of things that might have to deal with in isolation and space And you see how human beings deal with that, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Which means that the enclave has been tracking the vaults.

19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They're probably tied into some sort of system that can still see what's going on in the vaults. [SPEAKER_01]: We get little hints from Willzig that like he knows who Rocy is. [SPEAKER_01]: He knows her last name. [SPEAKER_01]: He knows details about Vault 33. [SPEAKER_01]: Curred details not details from 200 years ago, but like so there's there's definitely a connection going on there We got a little a keep your coffee hot is as a song that plays After the Amarid then the Raider situation She steals herself up with a stimp pack There's a slight little music change when she picks up the trunk gun the tranquilizer gun.

19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it feels a little bit like Oh, it's one of those video game moments of like you're getting your first weapon [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, there's a theme that plays out with the weapons that she uses. [SPEAKER_01]: She traditionally, for the first few episodes of Traditionally, for the first few episodes, she uses a tranquilizer gun, but she doesn't wield deadly weaponry until episode 4, where we see a significant change in her.

19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like that sets us up to like she's she's defending herself, but doing it in a non lethal sort of way We get the then the fire the the explosion that had will be the tape that runs the background view of the the sunset like Fire yeah [SPEAKER_01]: just like everything else is going to hell we just saw the world blow up now their world is exploding with some all sorts of fun little stuff like that but then this all comes to ahead with a mold-aver who says like basically sets hang up right and he's like okay you can save [SPEAKER_01]: Give me Lucy and all of these people go or I'm gonna kill all of everybody and he puts her in a room and closes the door And then she takes him instead and then there's a conversation there where where she says everyone knows who I am Which is so ominous right and then we come to find out that that plays out a little bit more as the show good on Then we get the brotherhood we get the Maxis or Maximus you're showing up what do you think about

21:02 [SPEAKER_00]: seeing the brotherhood like this two things um unfortunately the power on my did leave you a little bit supported yeah visually I was like uh it looks wonky uh but it looks a little plasticy but that's why for the most part like even like the sound effects and stuff do really sell though like a weight of it though [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the sound effects were there, the movement wasn't, and again, this is someone who spends a lot of his time dealing in an around power.

21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not literally, but just made it say every day, but the war ever. [SPEAKER_00]: But I did, I liked the way that they made the brotherhood though, what I liked was more the overall theme of being in the brotherhood. [SPEAKER_00]: in that it was like, again, to point to other post-apocalyptic styles, it was this idea that, you know, we're grabbing drags from the wasteland and we're going to make them turn them into men for lack of a better phrase.

21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're kind of a little bit of, um, uh, damn, what is that Vietnam movie that I'm thinking of that is, um, with private pile. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, oh, it is the name of that. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, It's a little jack-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- [SPEAKER_00]: And still just that I like just kind of the overall idea because they had obviously set up Maximus as this character who's going to come from the bottom and then move his way up Really through enlightenment for lack of a better phrase.

22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he's he's shown to be an idiot He doesn't know what the computer parts are he doesn't know right like he doesn't even know how to fit in with the rest of the group like he's just Bumbling around. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: And, but I liked, even as like when they go to clean the latrines, well, I liked this idea of, they were, again, nice dichotomy.

22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We come from inside the vault where things are pristine, things are nice things are good. [SPEAKER_00]: And we go out to the vault. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not even wasteland bad. [SPEAKER_00]: We are in the brothers, those who know it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the brothers, they got food in the game.

23:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Same got food. [SPEAKER_00]: They've got all the weapon really. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: You see, when you get enough, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: bottle caps you go and you trade with a brotherhood. [SPEAKER_00]: That's where you get good stuff from right and so with their even Struggly at this point now again, there's there's a backstory to that obviously from some of the early parts of the game But I did like that piece that it really was to me It's like this first episode.

23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I took it more as less as a as a fallout fan my interpretation and took it more as a okay if I don't know what fallout is [SPEAKER_00]: Is this telling the story in a way that I would want to explain to somebody? [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought like the brotherhood of, I like that scene lot for that.

23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think it's good. [SPEAKER_01]: We've got another song here that totally matches Maximus. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been unhappy all along is one of the lyrics, right? [SPEAKER_01]: He's in this rough spot, he's lived this terrible life, his family was destroyed, he happened to become brother, brother, and all of that, right?

24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But here, this is something that hit me during the scene. [SPEAKER_01]: We get the flashbacks to young Maximus being saved by whoever that night was, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Many of them have Latin names. [SPEAKER_01]: Thadius has a Latin name. [SPEAKER_01]: Are we going to find out that the brotherhood who normally doesn't take in recruits outside of their own members unless they need to has been [SPEAKER_01]: in a war with the Legion, with Caesar's Legion, Kaiser's Legion, and the people from New Vegas, like the events of New Vegas, maybe some of that stuff plays out, right?

24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going back to New Vegas in the second season, but are these children that were Legion children? [SPEAKER_01]: And they fought against the Legion and they abducted their children because they have Latin names. [SPEAKER_01]: Then you think about other brotherhood members from other games, they don't all have Latin names.

24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, that's actually, I'm trying to, I'm going back. [SPEAKER_01]: Roger Macsson, right? [SPEAKER_01]: You've got like a paladin dance, like a lot of these other brotherhood members, there's this kind of religious kind of ancient quality to the brotherhood, these knights and those kinds of things.

25:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But that named things, very, very common among many of them. [SPEAKER_01]: So that, that I find really interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, the moment that Maximus hits absolute rock bottom, he's shoveling shit. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he says lo as you cut physically, I love that I love that scene, right, which is another another glimpse into the fact that they are showing Through visuals the emotional place that somebody's at right.

25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's literally physically at rock bottom here [SPEAKER_01]: as low as you could possibly be in that situation. [SPEAKER_01]: So we got that, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Then we go back to Vault 33 and Lucy's suggesting that they go to the search party on the surface, and we have all of that, and clearly from that moment, it seems that not only is she going to look for her dad, she wants to find her dad, but I think that moldavers words of like, everybody knows me.

26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We, you know, the fact that they came from the surface has her way really curious now. [SPEAKER_01]: And it, again, plays into, like you noted with Maximus in the Brotherhood that things are really stark and their desperate for finding meaning and finding, you know, wrangling on top of each other to get better ranks in those kinds of things.

26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But neither situation, whether it's in the vault or in the Brotherhood or in the wasteland, is good for most people. [SPEAKER_01]: Most people hate where they are. [SPEAKER_01]: even when they have plenty of food, even when they, you know, like, well, that's uh, me, that's always been a great theme.

26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, everyone, everyone, I'll go to fall out three, you know, everyone wants to go outside. [SPEAKER_00]: But why do you want to go outside that forget? [SPEAKER_00]: I forget the name of the kid. [SPEAKER_00]: I was hit Billy, that was bullying you and fall out. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the tunnel snakes?

26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the tunnel snakes are the names. [SPEAKER_00]: Later, you find them outside and you have to go save them because they're about to die. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's that kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, because later when you get their message back and you're coming near the vault, and they're leaving their own rebellion to get out.

27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to go in there and be like, you guys go out there. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a fun twist. [SPEAKER_00]: Great. [SPEAKER_00]: You're sending them out there and then they all die. [SPEAKER_00]: Great. [SPEAKER_00]: Or you can convince them to stay indoors. [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of these, it's been a great theme all throughout fallout that I think really kind of always up the game a little bit as I added more of that more of that in.

27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, I also think it's really points to the human condition of we judge how bad things are in relation to the things that we would rather have things be. [SPEAKER_01]: So for example, if you are in the wasteland in your starving life is terrible, you're starving. [SPEAKER_01]: If you live in a vault and you lose your job as the guide guards the door, then that's the thing that meets the most to you in that moment and you feel equally terrible.

27:49 [SPEAKER_01]: now one of those is a more dire situation for your own survival but they both feel like they really suck in the moment because that's the thing you're worried about. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the nature of humans, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Also so eventually she gets outside and even Norm mentions he says he's too chicken to follow which is a what we're establishing a character arc for Norm too.

28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He's of course. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a chicken, but he's really just miserable. [SPEAKER_01]: He just hates being in the vault and he doesn't like any of the jobs they give him. [SPEAKER_01]: But as soon as you give him a project, he's all in it and he's not scared at all. [SPEAKER_01]: He's the complete opposite of what he thinks he is.

28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He just has a realized of yet. [SPEAKER_01]: But then she goes outside and you see the dead bodies that are kind of frozen there, that frozen as in ice. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I've been turned into just dirt and piles of human shapes, like kind of like Pompey. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was really cool.

28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so you're making me think of firsts and from vault city when we're talking about vault because this is like when one of the things I really liked about the way they covered the vault is the superiority of the vault right and it's it's the combo of both is that what you see in these first few scenes is living in the vault is better than living outside.

29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But you also know there's an undercurrent of problem. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, also that that it's more passive aggressive it's like well it's [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a Potomkin village Potomkin, one of those here, but Potomkin, yeah, but whatever that is, it's that style of on the outside looks great, but it's not.

29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and so that's what you get. [SPEAKER_00]: So she goes out into the wasteland and yeah, it's worse than inside the vault. [SPEAKER_00]: but and then that becomes the kind of the concept of the entire show yeah yeah so that's that's good uh we go back to the brotherhood we get this um you know maximus is being grilled uh yeah because his friend has razor blades in his boot and now cannot serve as a squire right and [SPEAKER_01]: So there's that whole issue.

29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets asked why did he join the brotherhood to hurt the people who hurt me is his initial response. [SPEAKER_01]: And we're again getting set up for a character arc. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's going to move from that to something else. [SPEAKER_01]: Are you weak? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be like these kinds of things.

30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We also, and this is what I think is really interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: There's this little mention of like doing things for what the brotherhood wants for Eden or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that this project Eden, whatever this Eden thing is, is not so much a brotherhood overarching thing as it is the pet project of this specific elder.

30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's playing to what this elder has taught him, which is specific to this faction of the brotherhood, and is going to be in conflict with other brotherhood groups. [SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen, in some of the trailers for season two, that it looks like the brotherhood might be fighting itself at some point in season two, which wouldn't be ridiculous because different groups of brotherhood would have different ideas about the way they go about doing things.

30:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, every time. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't go back. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a geek thing, but that's not always what the brotherhood is most interested in in that moment. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So my thought is that this faction specifically has some sense of where a geek is, how they can further project Eden, and that has become part of there.

31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's why they've been in conflict with the Legion. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to put together the pieces of these little hints that show up that tell us more about what's actually going on than we've been discovered. [SPEAKER_01]: We've discovered yet. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there might be something there.

31:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So either, Projectine is a big thing down from the top, and everybody's on board with that. [SPEAKER_01]: But I get the sense that this faction of the brotherhood and these specific leaders are not 100% on board with everything else that's going on with the brotherhood, that they like Maximus and everyone else in the scenario is more about what's in it for them.

31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: than they are, what's in it for the moment? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I think there's always been that thing in the brotherhood of like, if you can go and get the biggest technology, then you get to be the biggest player in the brotherhood, right? [SPEAKER_00]: That is what they, that is what they are truly about.

31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, everything in fallout is selfish to a point. [SPEAKER_00]: I think people, as you were discussing, are people misinterpret this a little bit, where we become almost too selfish, like you know. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's the, like it's the always best thing to do.

32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's because you do have me most of fallout is settlements the vast majority of the time it's a fallout is settlement you played individual character who sort of brings other settlements together and connects the whole piece, you know, as a game into a greater story arc. [SPEAKER_00]: But at its core, it's not that selfish.

32:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a bit, but the brotherhood is always one of those tricky ones, because their stated you goal is to pacify the wasteland, is to bring unity and bring peace to the people of the wasteland. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with lots and lots of, yeah, as long as they get the technology and then keep the wasteland from hurting themselves with that technology, all of that stuff.

32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: So back to the barracks, basically Max misses like, what did you tell them about me? [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, I told them you wouldn't hurt a fly. [SPEAKER_01]: We get the sacred duty of the brotherhood right now, or as as a squires to protect [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So brotherhood first, mission second, or third, we see that that isn't always the case with many of the members of the brotherhood.

33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't put the priorities in that order, which I thought was interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: He gets branded with the T for Titus, because he's Titus's Squire. [SPEAKER_01]: Then we get the scene at the end of episode one with the, I just call them the cowboys who are coming, they're bounty hunters or whatever and they wake up the Google who is sleeping and has these little IV bags stuck to him so we won't Googleify probably with whatever's in those vials and we have, we have that kind of situation, the whole chicken thing and all of that.

33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was funny. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what do you think about the first showing of Cooper as a [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of begins the episode, right? [SPEAKER_01]: We could Cooper the beginning. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is more as a fallout fan It was odd for me because I'm like it's a cool like this.

34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple times you have a cool companion to the game What's is not a black black radio? [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna get a few times through the game to you get this, but I remember my thought was kind of like all right [SPEAKER_00]: why is he here, you know, effectively, it's like, but okay, let's see what happens with this.

34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like them, they did a great job and I love our ends up. [SPEAKER_00]: I did my candidly, my first reaction was okay, it's a goal. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he ends up being more than just a ghoul, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, there's more and more of that comes for it, right?

34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But I've just my honest reaction and it's, and I tried, I'm trying to, and my second watch to keep some of those initial bits there where it's like, okay, I see this character in the beginning of the, of the show who's a famous actor. [SPEAKER_00]: So I know he's not gonna die in the first five minutes.

35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it could. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the funny, the funny one would be to do that but the usually don't. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And now, okay, now we know he's a ghoul. [SPEAKER_00]: and again I'm left on why now again it's you can you know it's because what he's his purpose is to be the glue to take you from what happened before do what's happening now and also explaining lots of little bits along the way because he is you know how really like 300 years old at this point.

35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and you get multiple individuals with their perspective. [SPEAKER_01]: You have the vaultweller who understands the vault. [SPEAKER_01]: You have the brotherhood soldier who now understands how the brotherhood works. [SPEAKER_01]: They're hard way.

35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And now you have the Google who understands how the wasteland works. [SPEAKER_01]: And you have all three of those perspectives kind of coming together. [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense that we get it laid out like that. [SPEAKER_01]: But also it's a fun introduction, right?

35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, [SPEAKER_01]: He like he kicks their butts tosses the guy notice it look the one the main guy He just sent he just tosses him down to the hole. [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't necessarily kill him We don't see him show back up later in the season. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anywhere So I think I think I buried him alive.

36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure that's where you think of these I wouldn't be weird if he showed back up again. [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, I don't know No, be cool [SPEAKER_01]: So this episode one ends there. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really nice intro episode.

36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of books bookends that way. [SPEAKER_01]: It introduces us to everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: It gives us the foundations of the character arcs all of that. [SPEAKER_01]: So in retrospect, that all fits together really well. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: So any final thoughts on [SPEAKER_00]: So, no, I think, again, my first episode to me, like the first episode to me really was more, I don't think it was as directed at me, it was more.

36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're gonna give the fallout fans enough to show them that we do care about their universe. [SPEAKER_00]: We are going to honor it and we're gonna do things close enough to it. [SPEAKER_00]: But I felt that that first episode was more about bringing everyone else into it by establishing, you know, a little bit of backstory about [SPEAKER_01]: Right, it checks all of those boxes really well and still tells a good story.

37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I mean, the truth is that this same story, let's just say Amazon want to make a fallout show. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, and who even owns that, I was about to say interplay, but they don't own it anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, follow me on this Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda, Beth

37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you take all the copyright stuff out. [SPEAKER_01]: You can still do a show about Volkswagen people in the wasteland and all of that, sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's always the test of a good show, is it? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And we all of us have watched a show about something that we hold dear in our heart and it sucked.

37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And it sucked because if it wasn't about the thing we hold dear in our hearts, we would have walked away. [SPEAKER_00]: Bill Garry, I'm giving this to episodes and I'm failing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's move on to episode two, this kicks off and we get a glimpse of something that we totally didn't expect.

38:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We're inside an on-clave base. [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't tell us we're in an on-clave base. [SPEAKER_01]: But if you know, you know, who are these scientists, what are they experimenting on? [SPEAKER_01]: Seems a very on-clavey to me. [SPEAKER_01]: And Willzig goes through a situation, of course, where he, [SPEAKER_01]: has this discovery, but he doesn't want to reveal it to everybody.

38:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He also keeps a dog for himself that he trains, which is super fun, because dog meets, there's always a dog meet. [SPEAKER_01]: And we also get a little glimpse of a super mutant hand, which is fun on the very young, which I'm hoping we get super mutants in season two. [SPEAKER_00]: We have to, I'll be honest, we have to, it's, I will, I think we'll all be.

38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Supermeers and deathclaws. [SPEAKER_00]: They're just things that we have to get to see. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they've shown the deathclaw in the trailers. [SPEAKER_01]: They've shown rad scorpions in the trailers. [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen feral ghouls in this season. [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen a full super mutant like, and I feel like that's what they're holding back.

38:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to give us that until we actually watch the season. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm hoping they're doing that because it's Marcus. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, do you think Marcus is going to show up? [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're in Vegas. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, so this is totally going to sidetrack me, but like you could have there's there's a few different super means that you could pull into this.

39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're going to have to we'll do this later. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll do this later after season two. [SPEAKER_00]: Going to New Vegas, if you say Marcus is a very important character for a lot of us and Marcus would give them. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, man, I am it's horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying this because no one who writes the show is going to hear this until after they've written it.

39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: but Marcus in it, you're at the really stupid. [SPEAKER_00]: Cause Marcus would've been the best way to tell a story of the super mutants. [SPEAKER_00]: You could've had an on-click of the had something out of on-clave or brotherhood of still giving some information, but then you have whatever wasteland warrior it's gonna be, you can be the ghoul, sitting now with Marcus and Marcus explaining that that story that he tells and fall out too.

40:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, how he doesn't hate the lone wanderer and all these things and it's all that whole, [SPEAKER_01]: You see humanity to the supermune sort of thing which also gives you the question of like well, are they all like this or are they like ghouls and some of the marrant Guess what not of all like that Yeah, so yeah, so that would be cool.

40:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we get little details in the on-click base like on the hatch in Willzig's room. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a 276 is the number on the hatch. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I thought that was cool [SPEAKER_01]: Also the scene where dog meat protects him the guy discovers what's going on he's in his room Yeah, and then dog meat protects him and then wills it gets blood on his hands and that's why he has to leave It's another test showing you all with you know like literally he has a blood on his hands [SPEAKER_01]: Even though he did not the guy that killed him, it was the dog who was protecting him, but he has now blood on his hands, so he has to run And I'm still surprised every time I see the scene of like the I love the turret that pops up because it's true The game

41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't civilists. [SPEAKER_00]: This is my favorite like trope and all of sci-fi is that you can know how far you go in the future. [SPEAKER_00]: The ability to scan for things for aim just disappears. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you guys really badly, but I have to. [SPEAKER_00]: Terminator Resurrection, that's only the one to one setting the future.

41:20 [SPEAKER_00]: has one of my favorite movie scenes of all time because they're sitting there and it's getting dark and someone says we can't go on it and go out at night because the terminators use infrared and they'll find us and the next scene they're sitting around a fire. [SPEAKER_00]: to be a glaring fright like there's just looking going like I remember I I audibly grown in the theater when I saw that way.

41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh come on. [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to use technology reasons, then make sure it makes sense at least. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Follow them for like, you know, or at least give it 30 seconds man. [SPEAKER_00]: Come on. [SPEAKER_00]: Come on. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so okay.

41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So we get the we get the on clay of scene. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, wills it leaves. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we got Lucy like walking around in like the desert or the coastline, which is [SPEAKER_01]: And she, uh, let's see, she comes across like the bones of this family that's there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and the song is, don't fence me in. [SPEAKER_01]: She's finally leaving the vault and walking around. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was cool. [SPEAKER_01]: We see an ultrasound in the sand. [SPEAKER_01]: That was cool. [SPEAKER_01]: The table with the skeletons is dark for a few reasons because you got like the child skeleton, the baby skeleton.

42:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, too, which is super dark, but then you learn that they had they poisoned themselves. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he came up and that poison was made by vault tech. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but this was also what I love because it brought back in the fallout dark humor. [SPEAKER_00]: And so little diatribe here, sorry, I am of course one of the fallout people who feels that fallout was better and fallout one and two and the way everyone's because it was funnier with the with the darkness and so they because so they had they had to make a suicide pill.

42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: What do they call it? [SPEAKER_00]: Plan D. [SPEAKER_00]: And that is really messed up. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's really, really funny. [SPEAKER_00]: And I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what was like, that was the first bit up where I was like, I got to laugh.

43:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what I really want to do with Fallout. [SPEAKER_00]: With Fallout, you want to laugh at the darkness. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes the game so good. [SPEAKER_00]: And what makes the universe so much fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's all the dark humor. [SPEAKER_01]: So you get here wandering around to get, we'll see, I actually skipped up.

43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You can hear my paper. [SPEAKER_01]: So we have the scene where she's like sleeping next to the fire. [SPEAKER_01]: Wills like shows up, drops the name Moldaver, that there's some connections going on here. [SPEAKER_01]: The conversation about doing what it takes to survive. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the theme of like, what does it take to survive is that the most important thing or do sometimes morals actually matter?

43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of hinted at a little bit. [SPEAKER_01]: And then this conversation, stay must adapt to become a different animal altogether, talking about the evolution of the cockroaches and all of that. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's also, [SPEAKER_01]: It's not very cockroach. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not about the cockroach.

44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very plainly saying, like, if you are going to survive, you need to change. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we get, again, analogies about that with the goal. [SPEAKER_01]: And the goal even later on saying, like, you're just like me, you just don't know yet that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: So that whole scene, I don't know if there's anything else to point on that, that scene.

44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Not really. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that scene, but we're starting to bring the characters together, but we get more the main thing about that scene was just kind of to move it forward. [SPEAKER_00]: The most important part was it's the wasteland. [SPEAKER_00]: Is this idea that you have to adapt to this?

44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: This is real now. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's also a piece that does what Willie's point out, what Willie's pointing out, is also an error the on-club is made. [SPEAKER_00]: The on-clays [SPEAKER_00]: The truth on the on-clave, in my opinion, because you are the lore master on this, I am not.

44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But the truth about the on-clave to me is always that the on-clave had an idea and the experiment got out of control. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what happened with the FV virus. [SPEAKER_00]: It's what happened with the bunch of stuff that the on-clave does. [SPEAKER_00]: They have a plan. [SPEAKER_00]: It gets out of control, and they're unwilling to adapt to the new version of it.

45:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're trying to force the world back into the old one. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, they're stuck on their goals, but they don't realize that they need buy-in and coordination from other people and how to get buy-in and coordination from other people by caring about them. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, right?

45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's missing that human component which never works. [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, so we get the vertebrate scene with Titus and, you know, like, clean my cod piece and all of that. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's an exact, what's so wonderful about the shows, we just got the conversation about how in order to survive in the way so you have to be different, you have to think about things differently, but you have to put yourself first.

45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have a scene that shows a character who clearly doesn't care about anybody else who only cares about himself. [SPEAKER_01]: And the fallout of that, fallout, is that he ends up in the bear den and gets mauled. [SPEAKER_01]: and left for dead because if he had given Maximus a shred of humanity, Maximus probably would have helped him out and given a Stimpack.

46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't. [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is an exact scene where it shows that fending for yourself first all the time leads to freaking death because then nobody cares about you and you have to band together. [SPEAKER_01]: And so that whole seat, do you have any thoughts about like Maximus?

46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really max, so my thoughts on that scene were more, you know, as more of the scenes out first, the game of Yaguai, which was awesome, that was fantastic. [SPEAKER_00]: What I thought the scene was was it was meant to be that grow-up moment for Maximus, is this element of, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: This is your chance to be evil, but also be good at the exact same time.

46:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He's also evil by neglect, not by that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's my point, action. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he could have saved Titus, but he chose not to. [SPEAKER_00]: And what the underlying I think theme around that is, is that... [SPEAKER_00]: What do you gain by saving Titus? [SPEAKER_00]: Titus is bad for the wasteland.

47:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: That is, there's no, he is himself for everyone except for Titus. [SPEAKER_01]: And even for Titus, he's bad because he got himself killed out of there. [SPEAKER_00]: So Maximus, let's him die. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it, it is, and that is what happens in the wasteland.

47:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The people in the wasteland to your point, who are light years selfish and light years focused on all of themselves, will eventually find that they cannot survive on their own. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, they need others, because they need others away. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and isolate you, and nobody can survive by themselves.

47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I love the irony here in the moment where he tells Maximus go look and see what's in the cave is the moment that saves Maximus, because the bear is behind him. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: So his selfishness gets himself killed and saves Maximus at the same time, which and Maximus has this great little growth growth moment there.

47:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's incredible. [SPEAKER_00]: Love like, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, now what do I want to do? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and again, they go, the only thing, then they go back, I, the one, I don't love Maximus in this show. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to call it out right now. [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I don't love him is I think they wrote him a little too naive.

48:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with him being naive, I'm okay with him being, well, so I want him green, not naive, and I felt that they made him more naive than green, and that's where I kind of, I never really connected with a character very much because I felt more like he was annoying. [SPEAKER_01]: I also think that they've painted him very, very unintelligent.

48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not just unaware of things. [SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't put two and two together very quickly. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's like that. [SPEAKER_00]: To me, that's the mistake. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with this being someone, like, you know, Lucy obviously is supposed to be nice.

48:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: But she's never. [SPEAKER_01]: Incapable at the same time as being naive, whereas Maximus does doesn't seem to be for most of it. [SPEAKER_00]: No, and like you kind of like if Maximus just died, you'd be like, yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's kind of like what you expect to have happen with himself.

48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like I kind of do you think that's because he's eventually going to become a villain? [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, I think, honestly, I think it's poor writing. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, well, I like to take things and go, okay, well, maybe this is poor writing, but that's not that interesting.

49:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and maybe you're right, maybe it's just poor writing, but we're also only one season in. [SPEAKER_01]: And if these writers are worth anything, then they've already written their five season arc, think they were thinking, oh yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So if that's the case, our assumption usually is, these are our three main characters, even though they might seem terrible now or annoying or dumb or whatever, they're going to have character arcs and they're going to come out as good guys in the end or heroes in the end or something like that.

49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's traditionally your expectation that's subconsciously what you expect going in. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the surprise we're going to get. [SPEAKER_01]: in the long run is the goal refines his humanity. [SPEAKER_01]: We had a glimpse of that in, I think it's this episode where he saves the dog.

49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have to save the dog. [SPEAKER_01]: There was no reason to save the dog, but there's a shred of humanity still there. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see that Lucy grows up and understands that things are more complex. [SPEAKER_01]: The answer is neither black nor white. [SPEAKER_01]: It's gray, but she learns how to navigate the gray.

50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other option is Maximus either becomes a good leader in Gaines' wisdom [SPEAKER_01]: he actually becomes a villain because the whole system was against him from the beginning and he was never able to put two and two together to figure out the better way to do things. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the way I see it is what they wrote in was effectively three low wanderers.

50:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is what this was meant to be. [SPEAKER_00]: One of them in the case of the [SPEAKER_00]: out to destroy everyone who caused all this because I think that that's I've got a goal. [SPEAKER_01]: This will be fine because we don't know yet. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think his goal is to find his daughter.

50:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he thinks his daughter is still somewhere. [SPEAKER_00]: He's still always he's hinted at that, too. [SPEAKER_00]: He's hinted at his daughter and his wife, both mate, may still be like, well, I think he and his wife are separate. [SPEAKER_01]: That's why he has his daughter with him at the at the RDS, but he's still having that's the thing.

51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still cared about his wife. [SPEAKER_00]: I could have seen it, but he also, I think he's trying to [SPEAKER_00]: that's what he's trying to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that made the part of it, too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Lucy is the one who's going to more like, again, I'm going to go individual games here, but she's going to be more like the new Vegas one where she's going to end up in a situation where it's going to, a lot of the future of humanity's going to kind of go through her decisions she's going to make.

51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I look at Maximus as almost the anarchist, the unintentional anarchist out of the group, not like the not the I want to burn it down, but to your point, the unreliable one who's just going to kind of do stuff and it's sometimes will benefit, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I guess we're gonna have to see, like that's part of what's fun about the show is that we just don't know yet, right?

52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I could go and who knows, maybe by the end of season two, my perspective's gonna change. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I am totally open to, and this is something I think most people should be open to, changing my opinion when presented with new evidence. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I'll push back on this show as if they just decide to all of a sudden rip off fallout to a new Vegas and just take a new route with it like hey, you know, I think I don't think the right way to touch my baby like that no [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, they're going to, they're going to, I mean, they're obviously talking about new vague stuff.

52:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They're taking the new vague story a little bit further in season because it's in the location. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm pretty sure that like for this being its own story, it's all planned out and connected already. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're not going to just be like, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, now you get to be the same character as this guy in this game, this episode, you know, that kind of thing.

52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, you got to get through this. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's the whole cave thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Lucy, we go back to Lucy and let's see where is she? [SPEAKER_01]: Where I'm going to scrub through the visuals here. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, Sean is Philly. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he's just on our way to Philly.

53:09 [SPEAKER_01]: She sees like the poor guy. [SPEAKER_01]: Did you notice the poor guy who's like, you could just stay with me? [SPEAKER_01]: He walks slumped over like the poor people from like fallout one or fallout his kind of hunched. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure he just got that from the game. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I'm gonna walk like those guys.

53:23 [SPEAKER_01]: actor did. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was pretty cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Then we end up with, uh, she goes into Philly. [SPEAKER_01]: She talks to the lady. [SPEAKER_01]: There's all these bubbles and, like, all sorts of fun things in her shop that are called back to the things you've seen in the games.

53:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We can go through the first clips at BottleCaps. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is everything in it's some of the weaponry on the wall. [SPEAKER_00]: You're right. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is again, this is one of those little like I don't like he's not from Easter eggs on that well hidden. [SPEAKER_00]: This is more just those little like all right.

53:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's make sure we're feeding the fall out there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: You're in the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone, Megatone, Megatone, Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone.

54:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone.

54:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_00]: Megatone. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so by episode two, we're fully immersed in, okay, this is how Wastelanders live. [SPEAKER_01]: We can see that everyone's just, again, only worried about themselves, nobody gives each other much time at all.

54:31 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no trust, everyone just kind of co-exist together. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have the big fight, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Will Zigg is there, the ghoul's there, looking for him, and then there's the big fight. [SPEAKER_01]: He gets his leg blown off, then you have Maximus shows up in the power armor.

54:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things about this scene that I thought was interesting is that the Google stands toe-to-toe with Maximus and his power armor for two reasons. [SPEAKER_01]: One, Maximus doesn't know how to use the power armor yet. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just flailing, and the Google even says something like, maybe read the manual, which is funny, because do the manuals even exist anymore?

55:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably not. [SPEAKER_01]: But also, [SPEAKER_01]: Cooper mentions that he's served in the military. [SPEAKER_01]: He's familiar with the power. [SPEAKER_01]: He probably even used to pay at power armor if not served next to people. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he even mentioned it later that he does, he did use it at some point.

55:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And so he understands, like, it's vulnerability. [SPEAKER_01]: He's also understand what it looks like when a green new recruit tries on power armor for the first time. [SPEAKER_01]: He can't seem to be able to fight you very well. [SPEAKER_01]: So that plays out really well in my opinion of the, like, the kind of stance on it.

55:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's a little cartoony, but [SPEAKER_00]: But the cartoon you think also did have making, as we said this, I'm a fallout one to even cat-tox players where I put the most of my time in the games, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Some of those fight scenes were that kind of cartoony. [SPEAKER_00]: So I like the homage right there to it.

55:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, even like, it feels like he's got, he doesn't have a Cooper though Google doesn't have a PipBoy on, but it does feel like he has vats because he can just like target people and shoot them really easily. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: And then he gets shot in the back a little bit and has sit and eat the tomatoes, which feels like he's healing himself up a little bit, letting his AP come back, so he can stand up and shoot some more guys, like that scene, like it doesn't say it, is that, that's what's happening.

56:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was, it was a fun, like, yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what you have to do in the game. [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, I'm going to take some cover over here. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to wait till I get my stuff back. [SPEAKER_01]: OK, now I'm going to pop back out and shoot somebody.

56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what that feels like. [SPEAKER_01]: But then there's all sorts of little details. [SPEAKER_01]: Like the dentist slash barber. [SPEAKER_01]: Barbers historically were medical people. [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't just come here. [SPEAKER_01]: A thousand bottle caps to kill the ghoul is what she says in order to get somebody shoot him.

56:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Which thousand bottle caps is a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: Which means that the price on Willsegg's head for that technology is it's got to be more than a thousand bottle caps. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you're right, we actually, we don't really, we never know what the price on Willsig is. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's more, given the, who put the price on his head.

56:56 [SPEAKER_00]: My guess, Mold never. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's more of, it's more of an information and power than an actual like revenue stream for lack of a better phrase. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's well worth whatever that price is, which is to power the wasteland. [SPEAKER_01]: All of that poor dog meat gets stabbed, but we talk about how the Google brings them back later with the stem pack.

57:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, there's a few other things. [SPEAKER_01]: I need you to take these to my client, Ma, the lady at the shop says a serum's to heal your, your feet. [SPEAKER_01]: The thing that they put on Willsie's [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why because again, it's got this like almost caricaturey wastelandy thing where all right.

57:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, how because we're both in the future, but we're not, you know, in that regard of like, all right, this is what 277 know that that's when the bombs tell us. [SPEAKER_00]: So we're at that point, so of course, we're not just using the same prosthetic limbs we were using them when pirates were around.

58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're going to have a bit more, it's going to have a bit more umph to it. [SPEAKER_01]: In a very far episode of way, where it like grinds your stump and then caught a risk. [SPEAKER_00]: But also doesn't really work quite the way you'd like to. [SPEAKER_00]: That's always the thing in the fall, everything's like, I mean, is this going to make me better?

58:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy is that with modern technology phones the internet, the inshidification of things, which is shortly stated as, how bad can we make this in order to save cost where our customers will still buy it? [SPEAKER_01]: That's how technology works today. [SPEAKER_01]: But follow one and two, in the late 90s, already got that concept.

58:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They already figured that out, because they understood what happens when monopolies and capitalism runs wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, current's crazy and that kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was just these were engineers who were just living in hey shouldn't we have flying cars by now and instead like we had cell phones is that way more than a brick yeah, you know, it was it was that kind of thing and I think the idea of fallout like the original fallout [SPEAKER_00]: interplay, correct?

59:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that who did it? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So the interplay, the engineers was more, it doesn't get better guys. [SPEAKER_00]: It just gets, it gets more advanced, but it doesn't get better. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, everything's still kind of crappy even though it's sophisticated.

59:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Like we can make cars that have fusion engines in them, but they'll still break down to be annoying. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Type thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this episode ends, Willzig and Lucy make their way to the crashed Chinese satellite, CCP, and he's like, he got to take off my head.

59:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the part that's valuable. [SPEAKER_01]: Take my head with you. [SPEAKER_01]: And she has to use the little chain saw thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Because he was injecting stock or he was storing something in his head. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the whole fusion thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it is, [SPEAKER_01]: This scene is another one of every episode has a moment that pushes Lucy further than she'd been before.

1:00:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Now she has to cut off a human head and carry it with her. [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see in the beginning of the next episode that she acclimates to that pretty quickly. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's because she is the lone wanderer. [SPEAKER_00]: That is what Lucy is meant to be at all times.

1:00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: This is... [SPEAKER_00]: The only, like, really, it's actually the only knock I have on Fallout 4 is I'm not a lone wanderer, I have an actual purpose, and everything else I don't really have a purpose. [SPEAKER_00]: Fallout 4 is a great game. [SPEAKER_00]: Really good game. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.

1:00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But it tells the story for you, and you have to play in their story. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they play in their story more than any other game. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe tactics, but yeah, that's, that's a me thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a common criticism before is that like people would rather have a silent protagonist.

1:00:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They'd rather have you come up with the reasons why you're going to go do stuff outside of just like you know like follow one go go find the water chip like that's your whole purpose But outside of that I don't know go places and floors water chip and then the origin then later the mutants.

1:00:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: and then the bone yard and see what's going on with the church of that and then that that's why fall out one was so wild as I was like I actually did play fall out one when not not at release but close to release and it was this moment of like whoa what am I weird why have to go now [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but as with any of these games, it's like, it's up to you, how you're gonna spend your time.

1:01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's weirder when your conversations in something like a Fallout 1, if you go on a side quest or all about the side quest, but in Fallout 4 it was more about like, yeah, I'm still trying to find my kid. [SPEAKER_01]: Like here and there all the time, which kept you focused on, okay, I guess they're really as a main mission here, which was their intent, but it takes away some of that personal freedom to make your own stories.

1:01:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it almost felt like the developers were mad that they knew all of us would just go to side quests forever. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, every time I played Witcher 3, I've had to go and read notes of why I am. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'll do like 30 hours of side quests again, back to the main quest going.

1:01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so where are we right now right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know that that's a that's a whole RPG thing But yeah, it's been so many hours in Gwent Right, so we got a wrap up this episode because we got two more episodes talk about on the next episode of this show But how do you feel about a episode two kind of wrap it up?

1:02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the episode two, the character arcs are now beginning. [SPEAKER_00]: Episode one was what's going on. [SPEAKER_00]: Episode two is character and we're getting a first little hint at what the story lines going to be. [SPEAKER_00]: We now know, all right, there's something in this guy's head.

1:02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And we know that Lucy is going to be gained chased by the Google in order for this thing to get this. [SPEAKER_00]: We know those two are there. [SPEAKER_00]: What I do like is that we didn't realize how much other stuff was still going on. [SPEAKER_00]: And this is where I think, as with all shows, you know, it's an eight episode series, you know, more seasoned with everyone to call it.

1:02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And they always the first one is the establishment and at some point you got to begin the arc and they are hard. [SPEAKER_00]: We're about to get into a lot more information. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're going to be everywhere we bounce is going to be telling quite the story soon. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

1:03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like how all of their paths come together very cleanly here and around the same McGuffin of the, you know, the tech inside Wilson's head. [SPEAKER_01]: And everything kind of comes together, but we're starting to see each of the characters, not just in their element, but now outside of their element and starting to adjust.

1:03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And that path is now moving forward, which I feel like was done really well with a lot of, you know, fan service stuff showing up all over the place. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: So, all right. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's episode one and two.

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1:04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so it's it's nice to get into some of the two is where I got really good But we also play some first runs like earthworm jam, and while I guess Duke Nukem 3D is also technically a sequel But that's not important. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is But yeah, but you're gonna get lots of nostalgia and that kind of stuff retro recall go look it up in a few weeks.

1:04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: All right I think quick break be right back [SPEAKER_01]: hope you enjoy the episode we will be covering episodes three and four of the fallout season one in the next episode of the show when we'll get through eventually all the episodes before the next season launches so that's exciting also thank you so much for everybody who supports the show welcome to Jeb B who signed up on the patreon patreon dot com slash fallout lork cast [SPEAKER_01]: Check out everything on there.

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