387: Fallout TV S2 Ep3 Breakdown - Patrons Take Over The Show!

[SPEAKER_01]: robots radio, games, lore, stories, community, just press play. [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Fallout lore cast. [SPEAKER_01]: The podcast that explores the boundaries of our knowledge about the world of Fallout. [SPEAKER_01]: you are about to experience something that rarely happens. [SPEAKER_01]: The Patrons have taken over the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been on vacation this week, and it just happened to coincide with the end of the month, time to do the patron chat, and I didn't have my gear, or anything that I would normally use to record, or edit this week's episode. [SPEAKER_01]: So the patrons decided that they don't need me anyway, and that they could get together and discuss the third episode from season two of the Fallout TV show without any of my guidance, and that they had plenty of things to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know what? [SPEAKER_01]: I figured their super awesome people, why not give them the opportunity to do the episode instead of waiting for me to get back from my trip and missing getting this out early enough for people to be excited about hearing more about some of the things they may have missed.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you're about to get the breakdown. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to react to all the good scenes in the episode. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to speculate about what things mean. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to tie things to lore from the games. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to do all the things I normally do.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you're going to bring a lot of minds together. [SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to get lots of different perspectives on this episode. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's super fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's the patrons. [SPEAKER_01]: So, big thanks to all of them for getting together to help me out with this, but also to pumpkin for hosting and void for setting up the recording.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be back next week with a regular episode that I normally do by myself. [SPEAKER_01]: Plus I'll catch up on welcoming all the new patrons and doing all the callouts and all the normal stuff I normally do, but thank you to everyone who supports the show and all of you for being here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Get ready because the wastelanders are running the vault this week. [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he's pumpkin from both the Patriot Chats and the Dungeons and Dipschits. [SPEAKER_07]: Today we're going to be talking about episode three. [SPEAKER_07]: I am joined by some very lovely patrons today.

[SPEAKER_07]: Jeremy or Void, everybody knows Voida, no fill, no thrill. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just going to say ash because my brain will not be able to say that. [SPEAKER_07]: Adam's child, little green, and Edvinny Kitty. [SPEAKER_07]: We might have a few people come jump in throughout the episode. [SPEAKER_07]: I want you guys to unmute and tell me what fallout, pre-war food.

[SPEAKER_07]: Do you want as your last meal? [SPEAKER_07]: Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum [SPEAKER_07]: Does anybody else want to talk bring up talk about this specific scene because like I think there's a lot to this scene that was really cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: Two words. [SPEAKER_07]: Child labor. [SPEAKER_07]: Child. [SPEAKER_07]: Gas. [SPEAKER_07]: I did. [UNKNOWN]: I did. [SPEAKER_07]: I did see no for the film raises hands so Phil. [SPEAKER_00]: Modern. [SPEAKER_00]: Terrorists is not turning into a cool. [SPEAKER_00]: What is when he's turning to a sub-armutant.

[SPEAKER_07]: He could again, it's as it's brought up later. [SPEAKER_07]: They're just all about emanations. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, but yeah, does anybody else have like an idea of like what if that is is not turning into a goal if he's starting to do a super meat nurse or something like that? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was kind of thinking about that too just because of thinking about to what he was inoculated with.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's true. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we don't even know what it was. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we don't know what he was inoculated with. [SPEAKER_06]: So like it's possible that he was given FV and it's just doing whatever it wants with his body right now. [SPEAKER_06]: So we probably have no solid thing of like, oh, yeah, no, he's becoming a goal or he's becoming.

[SPEAKER_07]: something for all we know he could be turning into a centaur slowly but surely yeah so i think one of my favorite bits about this scene the whole fattiest in this warehouse i'm fairly certain that this is just the sunset sasper realo warehouse [SPEAKER_07]: because they're they're just opening sunset sasperola bottles taking the caps and he's like you guys are making me money he's not treating as a what my favorite bit he's not treating it as a labor camp and i think that's amazing because he's like trying to teach them respect at all that does anybody else want to talk about like what exactly is like that brought like that like him and what is happening in this warehouse no fill

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like, especially, I mean, it's, it's tried labor, but I like, when he said, remember most children your age would be dead by now, he has a point there. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's still trying labor, so, but he really has a point. [SPEAKER_00]: And when they need care, he's providing it, not like in a super caring way, but you can see [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was just wondering, where's he getting all these kids? [SPEAKER_04]: They had to have parents somewhere, even the ghouls. [SPEAKER_07]: It's, yeah, I was, let's say, there's, there's what the, I think about, the ghoul of my kids that probably not that hard to find. [SPEAKER_07]: But they're human kids.

[SPEAKER_07]: I, yeah, he's got a mix of both ghoul and human kids. [SPEAKER_03]: This, this is just how orphanage orphanage is. [SPEAKER_07]: I think I think he just kind of like emptied an orphanage. [SPEAKER_07]: That's what I'm guessing. [SPEAKER_04]: All right, kids, follow me to this bottling plant.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's get rich. [SPEAKER_07]: I think just the fact that he's trading it like it's not a daycare, but like he's trading them like there's own kids. [SPEAKER_03]: He's actually a pretty decent parent. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I know people that have grown up in worse situations. [SPEAKER_07]: just some like gaslighting here and there as Phil said in my opinion one of the best lines that comes from this specific scene is now remember everybody say with me most kids are dead by this age [SPEAKER_03]: and then immediately following that the line is, okay, we've got 12 hours of work done, 10 more to go, let's go.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so the, and that's kind of like where that scene ends is where like, it just, it gives us an opening of like, where's that issue of this whole story? [SPEAKER_07]: This next one is we finally get probably a cool, one of the coolest openings to a faction from this, who wants to start this one to bring this out, [SPEAKER_07]: The Legion.

[SPEAKER_07]: Adam. [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say the first thing they think when they see Lucy. [SPEAKER_04]: Lucy is okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's figure out her premonocta right now. [SPEAKER_04]: She's obviously being someone's wife. [SPEAKER_04]: Forgot that that was that. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, Ashley, did you have something to say?

[SPEAKER_07]: You looked like you were reacting to that. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wouldn't say she was going to be somebody's wife. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is the lead. [SPEAKER_02]: Her clothes. [SPEAKER_02]: This is the lead. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: This is the lead. [SPEAKER_02]: But I did love Lucy like ripping into them and pointing out the flaws in their like like no This is a you know, commitment that does not even roll man.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's middle. [SPEAKER_07]: It's Middle ages and they really messed up people I I do want to say I thank you for bringing up that she called it out because like this is finally like because it was always theorized of like Well a lot of this Legion stuff is just wrong this finally like gives us an answer of the Legion or just [SPEAKER_07]: Dumb!

[SPEAKER_07]: They're not, they are like some of the dumbest people that like, I've seen and like, there's, there's a lot happening with this legion, but we still have not talked about what was revealed and who, who it was. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, okay, you called it in this podcast in art, just called it, I called it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: So I want some credit, too. [SPEAKER_07]: We did. [SPEAKER_07]: We kind of were like, when we were coming up with the ideas we were watching the trailer, we were like, this kind of looks weird. [SPEAKER_07]: But does anybody want to talk about the issues that the Legion are having at this moment?

[SPEAKER_07]: Anybody? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, we can. [SPEAKER_06]: The interesting thing is the Civil War. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, but that's a little bit further along in the episode, and it is brought up during like this sequence. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, because yeah, no, the the whole civil war thing being over who is truly the next uh, Caesar.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, no, and I'm like and the funny thing is it's like the two camps are right next to each other like That is just like a pout like and like we obviously see a little bit later by like it's a powder keg just waiting for a spark Yeah, and What's interesting is there's two Kaiser's [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_07]: We get to see one and we actually get to like hear him talk later on in the episode, but um there's one that's like there so there's to talk about who is the true Kaiser and the only way the only the only way that they know to find out the truth is the body of the Kaiser from the game is on the is in the middle of both camps on top of a wall and he's got the answer in his pocket.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, and no and like no one's able to get to it because if they just shoot it last time, shoot a fight like have they been doing this for the last 15 years, like how soon after the events of the game did the previous highs of die. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, a kitty, do you have any insight into the Legion section here we're talking about.

[SPEAKER_05]: Um, not really my whole thing is just a factor like. [SPEAKER_05]: They just like, like, one of why his eyes are his body in the middle of these two groups, like did they just like, did he die there? [SPEAKER_05]: As he was pulling out the piece of paper, or was he, did they just like, like, well, put the eyes are his body here, you guys live over there, we'll live over here, and we will fight over his body.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I have, I have a theory, this just popped into my head. [SPEAKER_07]: he went up there to announce who it was, who was going to be his successor and boom, shot him. [SPEAKER_03]: I like that theory. [SPEAKER_07]: I like that theory. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't even know while that is a skeleton.

[SPEAKER_06]: That his bed body has been there a while. [SPEAKER_06]: That that that body's been there for a while. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean sure a body like just in the wilderness with wild animals. [SPEAKER_03]: Like in the wasteland, you don't mess with wild animals. [SPEAKER_03]: and like that body is very picked at, you know, very.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's probably it could have been there for six months for all we know. [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean like they're very, they are very established on each side one more than the other. [SPEAKER_03]: But I, in theory it could have been there anywhere, anywhere from [SPEAKER_03]: the right after New Vegas ends or like I said, it could have been six months.

[SPEAKER_03]: So in reality, we have no way of telling. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think it's a get that answer. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, probably not. [SPEAKER_07]: Jared, do you want to take us into our next scene here at the hospital? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_03]: So the hospital was before him was it?

[SPEAKER_07]: No, and well, no, because this is [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right, so keep in, okay, for context, all of these episodes are meshed together in my head because I watched everything over two days, including season one, so they got so if I'm remembering correctly, the goal is crawling out of the basement.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that right? [SPEAKER_07]: Well, he's kind of leaning against the pool. [SPEAKER_07]: It's just so the, that was episode one. [SPEAKER_07]: The goal is leaning against the pool. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: So the goal is like crawling up to this pool and he leans against it. [SPEAKER_03]: Dog meat is right against him pretty much.

[SPEAKER_03]: And dog meat watches as he pulls a knife out and just digs a piece out of his leg. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so yeah, we have that that's fucking nasty sorry for the exclusive, but damn it was very gross. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's open it up, but who else is like not like either notes or like anything about this scene of him grossly just cutting himself open.

[SPEAKER_07]: Ash, you were raising your head. [SPEAKER_02]: So I like the quote that Cooper, like the his little monologue to the dog about [SPEAKER_02]: which basically boil down to how much of yourself can you take away before you become completely unrecognizable and he was using the boat analogy to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not quite ship of thesis because that's replacing parts but definitely a good analogy and he literally cut out the poison [SPEAKER_02]: Um, while he was saying that, like, how much can you take away from yourself before you're unrecognizable? [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that was a really deep, um, thing that hits on the, uh, moral dilemmas you face in the games.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I, yeah, totally, that is. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because cutting out a piece of your leg or dying is a moral dilemma. [SPEAKER_02]: There's like a parallel vein. [SPEAKER_07]: It's a parallel. [SPEAKER_07]: It's a metaphor. [SPEAKER_07]: It's a metaphor. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll fill.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Phil. [SPEAKER_00]: about the scene that it shows that the Google or Kupa Howard that he's actually a well-educated person who has a lot of knowledge and that it's like the Google and Kupa Howard are like almost two different person and he's starting remembering who he once was and he's remembered [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like he's not like, where's like sometimes like he'll say something and you be like, man, that was really dumb.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then like, but like he's in all reality, he's a really intelligent person. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, like, I get, like, some people look at a goal and go, this now a person. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's a, yeah, it's a person shot. [SPEAKER_07]: After this scene with the Google cutting out his leg, we get our first [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, Ash, did you have something?

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't. [SPEAKER_02]: Shoot, I wanted to say, it like, even after 200 years, he still hasn't lost, he still hasn't lost, like, any of his intelligence. [SPEAKER_02]: You would think, you know, you would think with this with his level of radiation and the degradation to his body that he would have lost, you know, some of that knowledge that he has and that ability to like make, you know, metaphors and analogies, most of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But no, he still can be eloquent in his speech and not, like he has not, he doesn't seem to have lost any [SPEAKER_02]: What can make him human? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I totally agree with that. [SPEAKER_07]: It's something you, with the other radiation, you expect a lot of mental depreciation.

[SPEAKER_07]: Which happens to a lot of ghouls and a lot of people who are doing the coolification, better than that. [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, right after this scene, we get our first flashback of the episode, which it's Cooper Howard flashback that starts with him talking to his wife about a keep-sake box.

[SPEAKER_07]: Is there with the scene, the keep from with this keep-sake box onwards into the neck, because the flashback goes on for a while. [SPEAKER_07]: Does anybody want to talk about any bits of this? [SPEAKER_07]: I would love to hear your guys at Jeremy. [SPEAKER_03]: It almost seems like she knows when the bombs are dropping.

[SPEAKER_03]: And she probably does. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: At least, at least, she knows when Valtek planned to. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that is it's just like a major red flag like why would you be packing a two go box with all your keep sakes that are already Like things that you enjoy in a daily life If you don't unless you'd know exactly when the bonds are dropping.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah The way that yeah, like the whole keeps sake. [SPEAKER_07]: She's crying. [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't get a clear answer of like if they fall, right? [SPEAKER_07]: She doesn't give him a clear answer [SPEAKER_07]: at which he leaves to go to a award ceremony for his buddy Charles, who say who we find some things out about their past together, does anybody want to talk about this military award ceremony?

[SPEAKER_07]: the Ebony kitty. [SPEAKER_05]: So one of the first things I want to point out is the Congress woman that is speaking for the event, being completely against anything with known about the previous by politics in the fallout world. [SPEAKER_05]: She's not into corporate bribes, she's not into mass funding [SPEAKER_07]: she like she even says like I may not have the money to put my name out there but I still have my moral grounds that I'm able to stand on who don't 100% and like she also like like when watching she also seems like she doesn't want to be there that's one thing I also noticed the Jeremy you got something [SPEAKER_03]: No, I pressed a button, and my computer made a noise, meaning OBS recorded it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, in the middle of the map and he's speaking. [SPEAKER_03]: I am sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, boy. [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, well, for the, for the OBS, let's redo that, Evity. [SPEAKER_07]: You were talking about Congresswoman. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_05]: All good. [SPEAKER_05]: All good.

[SPEAKER_05]: All good. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know which part it put out, but essentially she is completely anti-capitalistic brand. [SPEAKER_05]: She is a person for the people is the way she described and held herself. [SPEAKER_07]: That is, yeah, and that's a huge thing. [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm going to, I'm going to jump us a little bit, just for, you know, trying to keep in time.

[SPEAKER_07]: We kind of jump to the, like, co-pass, like, looks at the girl woman, and he's like, I'm going to go to the bathroom. [SPEAKER_07]: We end up in the bathroom, and someone starts talking to coop, and they're talking about how, um, [SPEAKER_07]: they're talking about like the people that are against the lot of the stuff going on.

[SPEAKER_07]: Do you, uh, does anybody have anything about this seat like the bathroom specific? [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, Ash, uh, we'll do Ash and then we'll go, uh, Adam's child. [SPEAKER_02]: I liked the framing of the scene like the cinematic framing of it because once, uh, coop is standing at the mirror.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we will see, uh, we'll see coupe both, you know, standing in front of the sink and in the mirror. [SPEAKER_02]: But we only ever see house like either in the mirror or when he's standing behind could. [SPEAKER_02]: We'd never see him. [SPEAKER_02]: That's really we never see him reflected.

[SPEAKER_07]: never really thought about that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we just, like, we'll see Coup standing there and in the mirror, but not house. [SPEAKER_02]: He's either one or the other, and I thought that was a very interesting framing to show that there's a word I'm looking for. [SPEAKER_02]: that house doesn't really, I guess that house doesn't really show all of his cars that he doesn't show his true self because a lot of like mirror lore is like reflections like show the truth.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I think, don't quote me on that. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I thought that was a very interesting like framing. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Adam shot, you wanted to go, you wanted to say something next. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I wanted to say the main part of that scene that was really rack in my brain was like, why is Robert House there?

[SPEAKER_04]: And I know it's because he needed to talk to, uh, or I guess he wanted to talk to Cooper. [SPEAKER_04]: But like in the conversation, they're talking about politics and he keeps accusing Cooper of being a sympathizer towards communism. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and Cooper continuously points out throughout this conversation that he that that Robert House isn't a veteran.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think they're really trying to show in this scene. [SPEAKER_04]: The big differences between their characters, totally agree. [SPEAKER_07]: And I think another thing that we have to point out is that Cooper has no idea that this is Mr. House. [SPEAKER_07]: This is true. [SPEAKER_07]: But it is not, there was no introduction.

[SPEAKER_07]: He, the Robert House just said, you're Cooper Howard and you're here for Charles. [SPEAKER_07]: He never introduces himself in that scene whatsoever. [SPEAKER_04]: But he does tell Cooper that he will see him again. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's the only station. [SPEAKER_03]: I disagree with that statement that he does.

[SPEAKER_03]: That would is. [SPEAKER_07]: He probably figured it out halfway through the conversation. [SPEAKER_07]: I will say that, but there was no introduction of [SPEAKER_07]: Well, he is the richest man in America who owns half of Vegas, but you don't want, but you want to get a remember is that the world sees multiple different faces that is labeled as Mr. House.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can kind of get context clues, but at the same time, like, it's almost, like, at least to us who see him all the time, it's immediately clocked back. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: It's fuck to us, that's him, but to, like, Cooper Howard and to, like, the rest of that world, they wouldn't exactly know what, Mr. Hout, like, there's multiple faces, like, they see somebody who's on TV, they're like, oh, yeah, that's Mr. House.

[SPEAKER_07]: When this is the actual Mr. House. [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody in the bar in episode one knew that that was missed. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess you're right. [SPEAKER_04]: even after they showed them quite a lot in the trunk. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's a bad night.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, the other there's the whole conversation of like, are you like you're one of them? [SPEAKER_07]: You're a star veteran and they say I'm I'm I'm not saying it verbatim because I don't remember the word, but it's star veteran coming coming is [SPEAKER_04]: we're not like with that he leave he goes you're not you're clearly not a military man calls it straight out and then leaves the bathroom it uh to quote yeah go ahead that's uh i'll i'll say it because i just found it so hilarious you ain't a veteran because a veteran wouldn't be talking politics with it with uh another man's dick in his hand [SPEAKER_07]: after so with that we that is the end of you know the bet the flashback and we get in my opinion one of the cooler scenes because of the background it is this room where there's a meeting happening where the elder the west coast elders talking to the Yosemite elder and they're in this treasury room.

[SPEAKER_07]: this room full of like, and artifacts and treasure. [SPEAKER_07]: That's like, and a lot of it is like, like, oh, I know what that is. [SPEAKER_07]: I know what that is. [SPEAKER_07]: I know what that is. [SPEAKER_07]: A lot of us in this call has, like, as Ash, I've talked with Ash earlier, the most noticeable thing that we recognize [SPEAKER_07]: But like there's like ain't the throughout this diagram, there's ancient artifacts.

[SPEAKER_07]: Does anybody want to talk about specifically the scene itself, like either the background or what's happening? [SPEAKER_07]: Because like there's a lot that does happen in this scene. [SPEAKER_07]: And Phil, you had, you wanted to, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and as an interesting detail in the background of Clintus says, the map and according to that map, the browser will control sous la dame.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't catch that. [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, there is a brotherhood, and local where Hoover Dam is supposed to be. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: I, wow, why didn't catch that, Jeremy? [SPEAKER_03]: Correct me if I'm wrong. [SPEAKER_03]: Hoover Dam is in the Grand Canyon. [SPEAKER_03]: Am I wrong in saying that?

[SPEAKER_06]: I believe it's near the Grand Canyon. [SPEAKER_06]: That's not really a part of it. [SPEAKER_03]: But either way, there is a grand canyon sect of the brotherhood, which would be controlling that. [SPEAKER_03]: Or at least five that we now know of. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we see it with episode two.

[SPEAKER_07]: We know that there's a lot. [SPEAKER_07]: And we actually get to hear a lot more from the Yoset. [SPEAKER_07]: We get to see the Yosemite one a lot more a little bit more in this episode. [SPEAKER_07]: And [SPEAKER_07]: The Yosemite one doubt like there was somebody elder does wants nothing to deal with this the second that the that the commonwealth got word [SPEAKER_07]: the Yosemite one's like, I'm out and they tried so hard to convince the Yosemite one with like the whole religious stuff and she goes, I'm not in for the religion.

[SPEAKER_07]: Did, uh, is there anything else anybody wants to bring up with this, this specific scene of them? [SPEAKER_07]: Because like there's a big thing moment at the end of the up at the end of the scene, Phil. [SPEAKER_00]: And as an interesting detail is says one logo of the present on the map which looks like it has a minute main logo under them.

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe the minute man got folded into the common room's present. [SPEAKER_00]: I can send a picture later. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: So not a little later, like I didn't notice. [SPEAKER_07]: Like I didn't notice the map. [SPEAKER_07]: I just kind of like my brain didn't register what was going on on the map.

[SPEAKER_07]: Add on child. [SPEAKER_04]: uh... i just wanted to uh... put my two cents into for that scene now are is the next thing at the end of the scene that you're going to be discussing how maximus is treated [SPEAKER_07]: If you want to talk about it, please, I don't want to be the only one talking about this whole episode about like, I'm here to help with you guys.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I just wanted to say the way Maximus is treated in this scene absolutely disgusted. [SPEAKER_04]: Also, I was kind of disappointed in Maximus when he was like, I could just kill the dude that's giving you an issue. [SPEAKER_04]: And then, obviously, the leaders like, well, that's because you're stupid and you're a sword.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, the specific word that was used, this is the dimnis, the dimnis of the sword. [SPEAKER_07]: Ash, what do you have something Ash? [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think, I, I like to think that the reason that, uh, Maximus suggested, uh, just killing off Harkness. [SPEAKER_02]: Hark was a wait. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a black name?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's his last name, Harkness. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, standard Harkness. [SPEAKER_02]: Paladin's and her Harkness as his name, um, was just a way to, like, try to, uh, keep within that inner circle that he has now become a part of. [SPEAKER_04]: So you think he was kind of just playing the part?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds... Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: No, I know that this was in the episode before, but like, I just, like, I want to say, like, I like the red jacket that Maximus has on, like, I think it's a really cool jacket. [SPEAKER_07]: And I know it's got nothing to do with what we're talking about right now.

[SPEAKER_07]: I just wanted to bring up that jacket is cool. [SPEAKER_07]: I agree. [SPEAKER_07]: But now after this maximum, after this maximum is getting treated this way by his own elder, he leaves the building and he ends up running in Desander and Sanders starts talking to him and trying to convince him to fill.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was a very powerful scene because I think they did a great job showing the different issues of the Browserhood within the different chapters because Quintus is a cleric who is very smart, very educated, but he's completely eloof from the common member of the Browserhood. [SPEAKER_00]: You could see how he ridiculed Maximus in front of his fellow clerics and then Xander comes and he [SPEAKER_06]: uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

[SPEAKER_06]: So it also is showing off like each group of the brotherhood is led by different people within different, like different, like leadership. [SPEAKER_06]: So like it's different mindsets. [SPEAKER_06]: So because we even like saw like the one woman that was in the meeting saying, like, oh, I'm not for all the religious stuff.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, she's not one of the cleric religious leaders of her group, [SPEAKER_06]: every it seems like there is such a rift when it comes to the brotherhood between what they want to do and we see that in the games too because between like at least three and four of like what their goals are.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think I think this also ties greatly in what House said in the scene before about one person trying to solve a problem and many people trying to solve a problem because the brotherhood chapter say are all flawed but they are all flawed in their own way. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I do want to bring up the one thing about this scene about Zander and Maximus talking is that there's a couple of things going on in the background.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like when like the scene starts we see there's like this very clear German like World War II APC that they're like unbearing from the half track. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you and then I noticed this earlier before we started filming because I watched the episode before we filmed. [SPEAKER_07]: They're behind a maximus.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's just a night who keeps crouching and uncrouching in his power armor. [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, what's going on? [SPEAKER_03]: Are you saying, are you saying we had a tail of tea bag moment? [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: That's the thing because it was like every time that you look back at Maximus, the guy's going up, like he's going down and then like slowly back up.

[SPEAKER_07]: Ash, you got something? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry. [SPEAKER_02]: He's either doing squats in the most random spot or he's like trying to tell that scribe how to lift that might be a box that's in front of him, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, that was my sort as well. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was trying to show the scribe lift with your legs, not your back.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think I'm just watching as we're discussing but I think it's I don't see because like I'm looking at two people there's one guy to getting his arm out of the end of your right Because he even see like they're like he's saying like oh lift with your legs and in your arms you can see him like talking to them Yes, he's just like yeah, he's doing it and like oh this is how you lift it like you know use your like, you know Properly lift something you know yourself Adam you've got something [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I wanted to go back for a second back to what Phil said about how I forget who he said who he said mentioned that everyone's trying to fix something at the same time Who said that house house house house well that's from so That is actually a parallel to what Maximus said in the first season to Lucy Where he said everyone wants to save the world, but they can't agree on

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_07]: I never even caught that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: So they are similar, but also different mindsets. [SPEAKER_07]: So after, as, as this scene comes to an end with Maximus talking to Zander and they're bought, they're kind of having a bonding quote unquote bonding moment.

[SPEAKER_07]: We jump to the goal [SPEAKER_07]: and ends up finding her at the camp, strung up as they say in game. [SPEAKER_07]: To dinner, it's like them, but we're all gonna cross. [SPEAKER_07]: Lucy gets put was put on a cross earlier in the episode. [SPEAKER_03]: Can I just say? [SPEAKER_03]: her right hand, the one that doesn't have the pit boy on it, could have gotten out of those ropes so easily.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and she just struggled against it, like an actor should win a not as tied but poorly. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I think it's a big [SPEAKER_07]: But this is this scene specifically I like because it gives us a look at the other Caesar's Legion group that we see that is mentioned and I brought again I saw I said this to ash.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's very clear that the the fake Kaiser that is that is over on the other side is wearing a fat suit because like it's it's not even like it's not even like [SPEAKER_07]: They're trying to hide it, you can see halfway down his chest is where the fat suit begins. [SPEAKER_07]: It's very prominent.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I think it's hilarious because it fits the fallout charm at Emedy Kitty. [SPEAKER_07]: Do you have anything you haven't heard from you in a while? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_05]: Not really, not on this, the only thing I could bring up in fact that it shows the duality of how East Coast and West Coast are run, how Maximus is holding to the chain that command whereas Zander is just absolutely throwing that away.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that is, that's actually, yeah, that's actually, yeah, my brain words. [SPEAKER_07]: Jeremy, do you want to talk about camp golf? [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, right, never mind. [SPEAKER_07]: Who do you, or who little green? [SPEAKER_07]: Do you want to talk about camp golf? [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I don't like I want to talk about the one that there's one thing I love about the camps like the two Legion camps was it's literally like almost mirrored to each other like and the they have the the Kaiser's facing the same direction and it's just like [SPEAKER_06]: So ridiculous like the civil war that's going on between them But when I got excited about was we meet one of my favorite characters from new Vegas Like shortly after we get to see Victor.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay I'll give I'll give camp golf to to little green little green. [SPEAKER_07]: You want to talk about camp golf go for it [SPEAKER_06]: What it's just like I love how we get like introduced to Victor in this and the goal and him seem to have a history. [SPEAKER_06]: But we don't know what that history is like because Victor says his memory has been mess with.

[SPEAKER_06]: So it's also just like what has Victor been doing. [SPEAKER_06]: since the time that we saw him as a player. [SPEAKER_06]: So he's been doing something and he's where I happened in. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I've been on that happening. [SPEAKER_06]: So and it's just very obvious that the goal has a long history of just being in this area.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, which that was amazing to be where he was like, [SPEAKER_07]: Victor knew the goal. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I think Victor was like recognized like, weren't you like that? [SPEAKER_06]: The one thing that I'm that like goes through my head a little bit is Bethesda has said that they're being careful not to choose a cannon ending for the games.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I remember like in one of the previous page and chat chats that we had, I predicted that the player never happened. [SPEAKER_06]: So like we as players never happen. [SPEAKER_06]: So we didn't make decisions. [SPEAKER_06]: But I feel like they're inserting the goal in a way in specific areas.

[SPEAKER_06]: And specific areas to have those relationships to like influence because like it seems like there was never like at this point like I'm making it [SPEAKER_06]: because the Legion's still there, the NCR is for like barely there from what we could tell, and like house from just previews and stuff like that is, you know, present.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, from what we could glean at this moment. [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm like, I think my prediction of like, we like the player character was never a thing. [SPEAKER_06]: So like they're taking their own like, we're trying to do some, they're trying to, yeah, they're trying to like, [SPEAKER_06]: But it didn't go the way that happened.

[SPEAKER_06]: So everything was just like a standstill. [SPEAKER_06]: It just like kept on going the way it was. [SPEAKER_03]: Jeremy, you think I bring it? [SPEAKER_03]: Good theory in that point. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll meet you before I say that the Google was the player and took it like other option. [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I was trying to get at is like, the Google is taking the place of the player and just like did his own thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: But never finished to just the Quest. [SPEAKER_07]: who has the platinum chip? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: This is a very, I'm Spartacus kind of situation. [SPEAKER_07]: That is the one thing. [SPEAKER_07]: The Philva had something filled with raised his hand. [SPEAKER_00]: But later on, we see a secret and who has been upgraded.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's true. [SPEAKER_07]: It is the soldier head face. [SPEAKER_07]: He has been upgraded. [SPEAKER_07]: So it's got to be after the platinum chip has been used. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: So are we saying house has the platinum chip? [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe, because I don't I read all we I guess so so that's that's a conversation for another time for me telling you what happens We're just speaking me about not finishing it [SPEAKER_07]: Um, as you, but um, we, I like this scene specifically, this very big NCR, we're in Camp Gulf.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's a lot of stuff going on in the background, there's a lot of posters, but my favorite thing that I noticed for the split second was the Mr. House picture standing in front of the robot, which is an actual thing that is in Camp Gulf in New Vegas, but I'll try [SPEAKER_07]: Which one of the Mr. House picture?

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: It's a very blanking you'll miss it kind of moment. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_06]: So that I'm not going to worry about it. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: I guess like, it's like, if you're catching that, it's like, it's just the, um, it's a very like a reminder of like, Mr. House is everywhere.

[SPEAKER_06]: House is everywhere. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: That's what I would figure. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, especially because like, It's your muted little green. [SPEAKER_06]: He certainly a large figure in New Vegas and even still to today. [SPEAKER_06]: People talk about him it seems like, but then you also are seeing posters for the Legion for the NCR as well in this place.

[SPEAKER_06]: So it's just like, I don't know, there's a lot to take in if I'm. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: No, you're good. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to kind of railroad a little bit. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, just be so like we can get some like a bit further on because we're only what about halfway through the episode at this point talking.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, we get the, the Google meets up with the answer meets with the NCR remnants is what I'll just call them because like they are the last NCR from what I can tell in the Vegas area. [SPEAKER_07]: that we know of it for now because there might be more but for right now we've only seen two up close and multiple in the background and like three or four in the background.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I will say the range you're the range they kind of mixed up the range of armor because like the range you're mixed with the desert mixed with the riot armor which I thought was really cool. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, after that, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

[SPEAKER_07]: and they end up fighting the robot. [SPEAKER_07]: And this is where they explain, it's kind of like, this is my super sledge. [SPEAKER_07]: This is what it looks like where I'm from. [SPEAKER_07]: Does anybody want to talk about this fight scene because it's a really cool fight scene? [SPEAKER_03]: I will.

[SPEAKER_07]: Go ahead, Jeremy. [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: So, [SPEAKER_03]: first of all, we called that it was a super sledge. [SPEAKER_03]: That was that, but it was that was kind of an easy figure out. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, because all we saw was the handle. [SPEAKER_03]: All we ever saw was the handle of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the fight scene is pretty much they just. [SPEAKER_03]: figure out a way to beat up this robot. [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, that was bullying. [SPEAKER_07]: That's what it was. [SPEAKER_03]: It was not, yeah, I mean, it was bullying. [SPEAKER_03]: But, I mean, from what I can remember, because I think I was occupied by watching this episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, great job on me for being prepared. [SPEAKER_03]: But from what I can remember, they basically just torture this robot and eventually maximize the final blow, but pulling it, punching is fist through the screen and pulling [SPEAKER_06]: It's a very Indian adjoins, Kalima. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, definitely.

[SPEAKER_06]: Did anybody else notice the music that played during that fight scene? [SPEAKER_06]: It was a source-fangled banner. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: That's right. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Star-fangled banner is playing during this fight. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, I want to, um, I'm gonna, I'll get ash ash.

[SPEAKER_07]: You were, you've been trying to give me a little seat of a little hand signal. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, this is just a stupid little thing, but when the, when the robots, like voice was going back and forth between the security run and the massage, I thought the massage dude kind of sounded a little bit like clap trap from borderlands.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also, what is this [SPEAKER_03]: You know what sometimes we're just totally massage all right a holy massage God I also want to bring up. [SPEAKER_07]: I Xander has to have some sort of like mutation from 76 because power armors should not jump like that [SPEAKER_07]: There's no way you should have gone from 20 feet away, jump to once and been in the face of that guy.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is not wearing a jet pack. [SPEAKER_07]: Our armor doesn't jump that high. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, we've seen it in game. [SPEAKER_03]: We've seen the arm thrusters. [SPEAKER_07]: Those are pretty, but he had this. [SPEAKER_07]: He wasn't using a, in the scene. [SPEAKER_07]: He's not using an arm thruster.

[SPEAKER_07]: Unless he uses like the thruster from the hammer to carry him, you know, that wouldn't be a bad idea. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but the one the one feeling that I got [SPEAKER_06]: from this whole entire fight scene was just showing off. [SPEAKER_06]: That's the whole thing. [SPEAKER_06]: Like it's the, the, the secure Tron literally had no, no effect on the, on the armor, but it was just, you had Xander try to show off the, the sledge and then finally Maximus coming in and like finishing it off and being like, oh, like we kind of get to see like what power armor [SPEAKER_06]: can do but it's but it's also just like they're just trying to one up each other it seems like because like this is one time like we see maximus having fun out in the wasteland and it shows I guess also the another inkling of like what the commonwealth

[SPEAKER_06]: Brotherhood is like versus the group that's in New Vegas at the moment. [SPEAKER_07]: So I also think that this specific scene is like to me, it shows Sanders kind of showing off. [SPEAKER_07]: He's like, yeah, the commonwealth brotherhood is better than all the other brotherhood. [SPEAKER_07]: That's what I got from this scene is also.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, Adam's job. [SPEAKER_04]: I also thought it was a setup for the future use of the hammer. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: We'll get to that. [SPEAKER_07]: That's, that happens at the end of the episode. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, we do get, we will talk about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because beforehand, during that fight, he was like, oh, look how fun this really powerful weapon is. [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to give it a try? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, thanks. [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, just hand him the hammer. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, to do, to do, to do, to do, the, and then they kind of hear a noise and they're like, did you hear that and then like, it skips to the next scene?

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, does anybody want to talk about this legion scene where the goal goes and saves Lucy? [SPEAKER_07]: Like, gets Lucy out. [SPEAKER_07]: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, Phil raises hand, I'm sorry, low green.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Phil first, Phil first. [SPEAKER_00]: I saw it interesting because it's intertwined with the next scene where Charlie talks about saving Cooper. [SPEAKER_00]: And I especially like about the scene because at the beginning of the episode, it seems that the cool was right, that the golden rule is useless in the wasteland.

[SPEAKER_00]: But in the scene you could see that the cool he still wants to be a good person. [SPEAKER_07]: That's, I totally agree with that. [SPEAKER_07]: Throughout this scene, plus the flashback shows that Cooper Howard, the Google, it's the Google, but Cooper Howard is still somewhere in there.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, that is, there's a lot actually that happens from this scene where he's with the, he goes to save Lucid. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, so he goes, like he brings in, he goes, I'll give you information, but you know how this goes. [SPEAKER_07]: I give you something you want, you give me something I want.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, which is still, you know, like, that's kind of, in my, in my head, that's like, that's still the ghoul talking. [SPEAKER_07]: That's the ghoul part talking. [SPEAKER_07]: But the savinger is the Cooper part talking. [SPEAKER_07]: Does anybody want to talk about that flashback where like the conversation?

[SPEAKER_07]: Ash, I see you. [SPEAKER_02]: I really liked that Charlie's speech was like bleeding into the modern modern day bits when he's cutting her down, when she's going to cut down off the crucifix and being rescued by the [SPEAKER_02]: by words of failing me, but I really liked how like it was cutting back and forth between the modern day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like this anymore? [SPEAKER_02]: This is a metaphor. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the cinematography in this episode was absolutely gorgeous. [SPEAKER_02]: It was interesting. [SPEAKER_02]: But I liked that like it kept cutting back and forth with Charlie speech just the only like dialogue during that whole like back and forth.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and also, we actually finally get to see a side of Cooper that we didn't really get to see in season one. [SPEAKER_07]: And that is the veteran side of Cooper Howard. [SPEAKER_07]: We get to see what he looked like. [SPEAKER_07]: We get to hear about what he was like when he was in at the during the Battle of Anchorage.

[SPEAKER_07]: And like in the year I go ahead to Adam's child, I'm giving it I'm trying to pass them off as much as possible because I would want to be the only one talking so Adam's child go ahead. [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, this is just a slight insert. [SPEAKER_04]: In the Veterans Hall is Cooper Howard the only person not wearing a uniform.

[SPEAKER_04]: I see. [SPEAKER_04]: I'd house. [SPEAKER_07]: I think show, from what I like, at least he's not wearing any military memorabilia in that sense. [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like there has to be like a sort of significance with that, where it's almost like Cooper Howard feels like he might be slightly disconnected from the veterans.

[SPEAKER_04]: He probably is, uh, Ash, you had something. [SPEAKER_02]: I did see others that weren't wearing uniforms, but they were, I think, primarily women, so they were probably like the spouses of the men who were there, but I think he was the only guy who wasn't like any. [SPEAKER_02]: No, he said something.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. [SPEAKER_07]: I think a lot of the, especially the, the you were bringing up the veterans all in the, a lot of the people, the guys there, were either in uniform or had like the medals [SPEAKER_07]: or like a lot or something along those lines.

[SPEAKER_07]: So like he was probably the only one that didn't have it, like you know, the military memorabilia. [SPEAKER_06]: The one, yeah, I was gonna say, the one thing I might glean from that is, Cooper, yeah, Cooper, we all know that Cooper was in the military, but it's probably something he's trying to forget because [SPEAKER_06]: It is, it's like we know that he was ex-military, but he doesn't like the flaunt it.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I mean, like he doesn't like a lot of veterans, you see like wearing something to commemorate. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you're like Vietnam, that World War II that just something. [SPEAKER_06]: You don't see him do like where anything that signifies. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I'm a veteran. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm proud of this.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's probably like he probably doesn't have the same pride in being that being a veteran as everybody else at the VFW. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'd like to point out that also during the story where it is being told that that his, his friend, who was his name Charles Charles when Charles was telling his story about saving someone's life and Cooper Howard was in that story.

[SPEAKER_04]: He looks to Cooper and he's like do you remember what you said and Cooper kind of dodges it because he doesn't want to admit the great thing that [SPEAKER_04]: or something like that, something like that, but how do I look, how do I look, how do I look, right? [SPEAKER_04]: But he, in reality, he says how, how is the, how are the others?

[SPEAKER_04]: So he, he didn't, he didn't admit that he had compassion towards his other soldiers. [SPEAKER_04]: Now, whether that was just for a joke or if that was him trying to separate himself a little bit more from the war times. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, now that like we see the veteran side, it jumps to back to 200 years, almost 300 years down the line to Cooper now getting Lucy out of the Legion cap.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, Phil. [SPEAKER_00]: I have one more thing about Charlie Speed, and I also loved that he mentioned that he was wearing T-45 power armor, and that it was so hard to walk in the things, because in New Vegas and Fallout 3, they give you minus two agility. [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot that gave you minus agility in those games.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was really bad. [SPEAKER_02]: Ash. [SPEAKER_02]: I also want to point out that the award that Charlie got was like some decorative flip lighter that he then gave to Koop, who still has it 200 years later. [SPEAKER_07]: I will agree, but he also said, do you remember why he gave it to Koop?

[SPEAKER_07]: He says, I got this for saving a man, not for the three people I had to kill doing it. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that was such a, that was a hard line. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, oh, but it jumps to modern day, where as you said, you see the lighter. [SPEAKER_07]: And the goal here kind of lights the powder keg in a literal sense.

[SPEAKER_07]: Does anybody want to talk about this? [SPEAKER_07]: It's a very, I see little green on me. [SPEAKER_07]: It did, did, did, did, did. [SPEAKER_06]: No, um, I guess like the back and forth, like it's really like showing, [SPEAKER_06]: like the original Cooper Howard side of the school and like he still has his humanity and he knows he has to do the right thing and that right thing is starting a civil war between the lead the two factions of the Legion that we have and saving the NCR people sometimes so that it could leave.

[SPEAKER_06]: So that's my guess what this what that like lighting the pyrarch egg actually does yes [SPEAKER_03]: So there's I think there's a double entendre here because this is just after the conversation with Charlie that they were talking about like being communists again or being against America again and he specifically says you have the better on one side or the other and sometimes you have sometimes you have to wonder whether you or not you bet on the right side.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, there's definitely that aspect of it as well him thinking back to his past life. [SPEAKER_06]: And there's also also want to go back to the lighter itself. [SPEAKER_06]: So Charlie got that [SPEAKER_06]: for saving someone, not for killing the three people, he didn't got to do it.

[SPEAKER_06]: He uses that lighter to save someone, but also like going back to like, he just like said, all something that's gonna kill a lot of people. [SPEAKER_06]: He said, it's either the right thing or shut them incredibly stupid. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. [SPEAKER_07]: So. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but right after this, so we see, so what I mean by a lighting up a powder cane, a literal sense is he literally just blows up like several barrels of dynamite that sets off a battle between the two warring legion factions, which [SPEAKER_07]: This next scene kind of has a same situation that is that we'll be talking about.

[SPEAKER_07]: Jeremy, do you want to talk? [SPEAKER_07]: Who wants to bring, actually, I'm going to open this up. [SPEAKER_07]: Who wants to talk about the Zander and Maximus finding the group of Gull and on Gull Kids? [SPEAKER_07]: Then also run into Thaddeus again. [SPEAKER_07]: I see you, your hand, Jeremy, but I'm reaching out further.

[SPEAKER_07]: Love you, Jeremy. [SPEAKER_07]: So, what do you think that I don't have? [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't do it. [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_03]: I did what? [SPEAKER_03]: Put this hand up here. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, did you? [SPEAKER_03]: Did I do it on its own?

[SPEAKER_03]: Put my hand up and it did it on its own. [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of cool. [SPEAKER_07]: Cool. [SPEAKER_07]: Phil, did you raise your hand? [SPEAKER_07]: It was, but Jeremy, kind of go first if it likes. [SPEAKER_07]: Jeremy, do you want to talk go first? [SPEAKER_03]: I can. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Either one of you can go. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm, I'm open it up to you guys to talk about the final scene here. [SPEAKER_03]: really shows the for lack of better term not see side to the the commonwealth brotherhood in the fact of he quite literally separates all of the quote smooth skins from the abominations and says to the to the not infected children to close their eyes [SPEAKER_03]: before that he has runs out in front of his gun.

[SPEAKER_03]: And as he's as Sanders about to fire, Maximus comes in and smashes the helmet of the T60 power armor that Sanders in. [SPEAKER_07]: He just smashes it in with a super sledge, which kills him instantly. [SPEAKER_07]: still. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, let's get the tear from you. [SPEAKER_07]: You wanted the break to talk.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: Especially a lot of two things about this. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that I see I mean the whole point of six expedition was that Santa wanted to convince Maximus to is a step down or joining and I think he actually [SPEAKER_00]: wanted to kill the children so badly, I think he would have had maximum, but because Glender, like everyone else in the browser, is a fanatic, he can't get out of his own way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm with Jeremy, this really shows like there's a fascist expert, an expert of the, especially the commonwealth's browser that [SPEAKER_00]: And what I also love is like sadgers that first he comes out the last, which implies that he's a coward, but then he stands up to Maximus and begs or tries to negotiate for the life of the children, despite having no leverage whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, this really takes cuts. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, yeah, like that makes, yeah, it's, that's totally true. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, every kid you had, you had something you wanted to say. [SPEAKER_05]: So we know that the ender is not dead, actually. [SPEAKER_05]: And the only reason I say that, if it could, there are scenes from the trailer, where they're running away from a veritor, from one of the parodwins, blowing up.

[SPEAKER_07]: That has, we see a person in armor and we see Maximus. [SPEAKER_07]: Maximus is not in the armor. [SPEAKER_07]: So it could be somebody else in the armor. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I can power them up. [SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was a person in power armor and there's a, and there's Maximus. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, okay, no one.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, which thinking of now that might be thaddius. [SPEAKER_00]: God, Phil, there's a crazy rumor on the internet that is that Santa's a saint and that he's not being wild. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, but it's it's it's wild, but it kind of makes a little sense. [SPEAKER_00]: I think because I mean, I always forget the name of the easy actor, but I think it's it's really big actor and it's a little odd said say get such a big actor and then kill him off basically in the in the first episode.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was like, I was like, I mean, [SPEAKER_07]: We might see him. [SPEAKER_07]: We don't have any confirmation on that, so we'll see. [SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was really strange that they killed him immediately, but it was also kind of funny to me. [SPEAKER_07]: The second I saw the hammer go down on the top of the helmet, I was laughing actually because that was really funny to me.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, but yeah, uh, Maximus kills Zander, Zander falls down dead, but it was very, um, I think what made it so that, uh, Maximus didn't want to get it is because not because there was, it was, there were ghouls, but they were children. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the real reason he did that, not the fact that they were like because he's he's called ghouls abominations in earlier episodes and I mean like he's also of the mindset of like, if they have like a human state of mind, then they're all right and as long as they're not trying to kill me, they're all right, but yeah, that's still.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I just wanted to emphasize, because you said that he specifically didn't want to kill the kids because they were kids. [SPEAKER_04]: He, there was like a little back and forth between when they were like, when the gun was aiming at the kids and it was like, oh, there are bombinations and then Maximus says, yeah, but their kids, he says they're still bombinations.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but their kids is basically that's all Maximus cared about. [SPEAKER_04]: at all. [SPEAKER_04]: It threw out that entire interaction. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, still. [SPEAKER_00]: I also thought it was an interesting detail that Sandler then called the Codex and says the Codex is clear about this and then Maximus says facts the Codex or something like this, but like in the episode before he argued exactly the same way when he was arguing with Stain.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then maximals will explain, well, it's the codex. [SPEAKER_00]: The codex is clear about this. [SPEAKER_00]: We have to follow the codex no matter what. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I also want to point out, like we didn't, I didn't bring it up earlier in the episode. [SPEAKER_07]: It's easier to see it at the beginning of the episode.

[SPEAKER_07]: All of these kids are dressed as like little cowboys in shit from like, and that's what gives it a way that it's the sense it says for a little plant to me. [SPEAKER_07]: Is that their all dressed as like cowboys and cowgirls? [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's funny and adorable. [SPEAKER_07]: but on this the last couple of lines here kind of makes it parallel to the Legion section for me is well, that east goes, oh hey man, how's it going?

[SPEAKER_07]: And actually, she goes, I think I just started as civil. [SPEAKER_07]: I think I just started a war and that he's his light is great. [SPEAKER_07]: Jerry, do you remember the light that he said? [SPEAKER_03]: No, you can say it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to different light from that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I like it.

[SPEAKER_07]: That he just goes, well, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the floor manager here. [SPEAKER_07]: So I've got some stuff going on, too. [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite line is when he first pops out from under the machine. [SPEAKER_03]: He goes, hi, yeah, I'm the manager here. [SPEAKER_07]: Does anybody else have anything about this scene or anything in the patty?

[SPEAKER_07]: Just to talk about. [SPEAKER_07]: Love it. [SPEAKER_06]: I guess the one thing. [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_06]: The one thing that I am noticing is when we first meet Maximus, like he's like Gungho wants to be like something when it comes to the Brotherhood. [SPEAKER_06]: As he has done more and more and has gotten more of a position, [SPEAKER_06]: Um, we see him being like, I don't want to do this anymore.

[SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't want to be like, cuz like, go back to like the whole like, oh, zanders like gunho code x code x code x, but he's like, but their kids like, and so I guess like he's seeing [SPEAKER_06]: the people of the wasteland, whether they're gold or not, has just people if they have like good intentions.

[SPEAKER_06]: So, it's just like, it's nice to see, like, his character is forming more. [SPEAKER_06]: He's less, he's standing up for himself. [SPEAKER_06]: That's the biggest thing. [SPEAKER_06]: So, he's showing that he does, like, he does care for something, but it might not be 100% for the brotherhood.

[SPEAKER_06]: or at least a different goal of the brotherhood to actually protect people and not whatever it is right now. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think there's a lot of like the three main characters that we have, each have like they're all having their own. [SPEAKER_07]: the interconflict. [SPEAKER_07]: Lucy with her dad and then her golden role, and especially now with her experiencing the Legion, I have a feeling that that's going to heavily lean in the fact of like, I don't think the golden role is going to apply anymore, whereas the goal is now like, am I still that guy?

[SPEAKER_07]: Am I still, could I still be the good guy? [SPEAKER_07]: And Maximus is now, [SPEAKER_07]: does it is anybody have anything about uh... anything else uh... fill i think that's the underlying is he mostly episode was everybody has a civil war now it's just a war hey hey guess what war war never changes ask you that's a bit [SPEAKER_02]: those like whether it's a like external conflict between like, yeah, I can know, it feels right, everybody's got their own civil war, whether it's like an internal like personal civil war or what like like the goal and Lucy or it's like an internal faction war.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, yeah, they're definitely a bunch of civil war going around like a, like a, yeah, like Adam. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, the thing that I wanted to bring up was, um, kind of, what do you guys think about, um, the Commonwealth Brotherhood? [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, do you think we're going to see Elder Maxine show up later?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a really good question. [SPEAKER_03]: 100% yes. [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to because while their [SPEAKER_03]: Also, side note, I don't remember if it was an episode earlier or in this episode, but during a flashback, we see a original print win that's all silver. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's the skyline of Las Vegas before.

[SPEAKER_07]: Why? [SPEAKER_07]: That was an earlier episode. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but that I don't know what you're talking about. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that was earlier on. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, Phil. [SPEAKER_07]: Just before the war? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was a before the war sequence.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm remembering it because it's a, I think it's like episode one of season two. [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's right before the bar scene. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they're in like the LA area. [SPEAKER_07]: I remember what I remember it. [SPEAKER_07]: Does every kid you have anything you want to mention, you want to say about the episode You haven't heard a lot from me.

[SPEAKER_07]: I so no, I had my piece. [SPEAKER_07]: I Had my piece on Okay, does anybody else have any feelings or you know things they want to say about the episode as a whole Anything at all Go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Phil Especially about the episode back about I would hope to see all the max and I really would like that, but I'm I'm not sure [SPEAKER_00]: We will, but I mean, the fact that the commonwealth's chapter is so powerful, I mean, it only means two things.

[SPEAKER_00]: It means the browserhood ending was a minute meant ending for Fallout 4. [SPEAKER_07]: We wouldn't, without Jeremy brought up earlier, is they're trying not to go down a specific route. [SPEAKER_07]: I think it was Jeremy or Greg either one of the years. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right, but I mean, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The impeachment didn't get from down at the presidential chapter. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't decimated and the common words. [SPEAKER_07]: So Ash, you had something you wanted to say, sorry. [SPEAKER_07]: It didn't mean to cut your shirt there, Phil. [SPEAKER_02]: No problem. [SPEAKER_02]: Because like, Hark Zander was, he and Zander were in the vertebrate on the way to, you know, find something to fight.

[SPEAKER_02]: He literally, you know, he says that, um, [SPEAKER_02]: you know, they could lose the commonwealth, which means, which I take to mean that the institute is still around, and that they're still fighting the institute because that's the only major powerful faction in the commonwealth, because the minute men aren't that powerful and the rail road is not really a threat.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, and I really, I think that, yeah, that he was talking about the institute when he said, it could be worse. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which kind of made me think that he might be a synth and not know it. [SPEAKER_07]: That would be, yeah, that I can totally see that. [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, if, does anybody, one more chance that I'm going to, one more time I'm going to ask is anybody anything else that got something little green?

[SPEAKER_06]: I want to go off of Ash, like with that line of thinking, like if the Institute and the Brotherhood is still fighting. [SPEAKER_06]: the player character never appeared and any of this. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so like it's literally just an open book. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the events still happen, but the influence of a player character, like saying, oh, I'm going to choose this.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I'm going to choose the brotherhood. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to like, or choose like the Legion, the NCR, whoever. [SPEAKER_06]: Like it just like it just didn't happen. [SPEAKER_06]: So we're just how they're going to keep Open like things just open canon. [SPEAKER_06]: So when it comes to the games, so there's no specific ending.

[SPEAKER_06]: So like I like how that's happening and they're just kind of like [SPEAKER_06]: and they put it in the future so it can be like, okay, this is how we're going to just end it. [SPEAKER_06]: Like just ends, but like I feel like that's what they're trying to do to not be like, oh, this is how this game ended.

[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and how this game ended because the other thing is like, [SPEAKER_06]: with, we know nothing about DC when happened with the on-clave there, but because like, you could, you could have, like, oh, well, like DC is now a flourishing, like, uh, metropolis because they had like the garden meat, the geck get fixed, and they have clean water and everything like that, but that's not even like a topic at all, because we're not in the middle.

[SPEAKER_06]: Great to be still in Vegas. [SPEAKER_07]: So, uh, yeah, you brought up the on-clave, like, like, we know that they're still around from season one. [SPEAKER_07]: We know the on-clave are still a [SPEAKER_07]: thing. [SPEAKER_06]: I do we think we're going to be seeing the acclave at all this season with the we've got a little bit just because if we still had an on-clave scientist and season one, he had a bit reporting to someone and the on-clave being the on-clave [SPEAKER_07]: they're going to show themselves when they need to because they're that's I have a feeling near the end of the season because this is called fusion we're talking about this is undeveloped this is this one scientist that did it at the on claim and escaped the on claim to send it to somebody else I should I have a figure to probably see it's either either the end of this season or

[SPEAKER_04]: I would also like to add that in one of the later fallout for updates, the Enclave also got involved so that does show that they were involved later in the timeline. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, um, if that's whatever, if everything's if everyone's got said their piece, I think, or we, I think we're ready.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, well, I think I think that's. [SPEAKER_07]: That's it for the for the patron chat. [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's time we do it our outro. [SPEAKER_07]: I think I'm going to start. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to read in order from, you know, how Tom doesn't read it in order by how I see it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Jeremy, you want to tell us where you want to tell us a little bit about yourself? [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Dip shit. [SPEAKER_07]: No, I don't do you. [SPEAKER_07]: No. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm I'm Logan you know me as pumpkin. [SPEAKER_07]: I do have a I do have a blue sky and I'm on the debt. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm on dungeons and dipshits.

[SPEAKER_07]: I do want to say thank you to Tom for letting me have for letting me do this. [SPEAKER_07]: It kind of was a surprise that I it was a surprise is what do you mean Jeremy what was that face Jeremy what did you do you're in and it's shooting itself. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to do his outro for him. [SPEAKER_03]: So he is looking really am I good in King. [SPEAKER_03]: He has a blue sky At the pumpkin king the eyes being ones and the e's being threes He also is a place access little light on dungeons and dipshits a lie play D&D podcast and I think that's all Did I miss anything anybody that can remember his shit?

[SPEAKER_03]: Can you hear me better now a little bit? [SPEAKER_03]: Can you hear me better now a little bit? [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, yeah, he got that res. [SPEAKER_07]: I do want to say again. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you to Tom for letting me have this experience. [SPEAKER_07]: It was awesome. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm glad I got to do it.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, it's jump over to Jeremy. [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, I'm Jeremy or Void, you can find me on the discord and I don't have any social media, so I'm not gonna plug that. [SPEAKER_03]: But I am the host and DM of Dungeons and Dipshitz I live played D&D podcast where you can find anywhere, Spotify iTunes or anywhere you listen to your podcasts.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's about it, my DMs were always open if you need something. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, cool, ash. [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, I am Ash, Brackio Dreamer Ash. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, you know, you can find me on the discord under the same name. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm always happy to chat, don't really have, you know, anything going on like these guys, but yeah, always happy to chat.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, thank you. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you for joining us, Ash. [SPEAKER_07]: Adam's child. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's hear from you. [SPEAKER_04]: Hi. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Adam's child. [SPEAKER_04]: You can find me in the discord in the robots radio discord under Adam's child. [SPEAKER_04]: And you can find me on Instagram at underscore jt underscore sims with two ms. Sweet.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_07]: And as Jeremy said before, we did the show. [SPEAKER_07]: He's the hot one. [SPEAKER_04]: Those of you who are on audio do not know that yet. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, even in audio your hot pal. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, let's jump over to Little Green now.

[SPEAKER_07]: We do in the day, Little Green. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm doing good. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm a little green. [SPEAKER_06]: You could find me on Instagram. [SPEAKER_06]: You could follow my photography there I am also on the discord if you are playing Fallout 76 on the PC. [SPEAKER_06]: I would love to have a couple of people to explore the wasteland with Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[SPEAKER_06]: Follow my photography page. [SPEAKER_06]: Please. [SPEAKER_06]: I want more followers. [SPEAKER_07]: It helps me out [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, please do his photography is amazing no fill no fill no thrill. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's hear it from you [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I'm Noffield Noffield. [SPEAKER_00]: You can write me on the discord.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if any German speakers listening, you can check out the Nukecast on Twitch every Sunday. [SPEAKER_00]: Nine o'clock in the evening. [SPEAKER_00]: We are reviewing the episodes from the TV show, and I might be the guest as well in the future. [SPEAKER_07]: That's awesome. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, go yeah guys go ahead and check out the new kick-ass.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's a here. [SPEAKER_05]: I hear that one's a pretty fun one Ebony kitty Your last let's hit let's hit you up Well, and so the only thing I have to say that there are 303 days until how we [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, yes, spooky season ever so you know, otherwise I don't really have anything else to plug in on the discord under the same name, just I don't know, hit me up if you want to play.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and thank you for being here. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you to all of you guys for being here on this episode. [SPEAKER_07]: That's it for us. [SPEAKER_07]: This has been the fall of our cast. [SPEAKER_07]: We were so I'm Logan and again, as I said earlier, war, war never changes. [SPEAKER_03]: Bye bye everybody.

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