391: Fallout TV S2 Ep7 - Easter Eggs, Lore Connections, and Predictions for Episode 8

[SPEAKER_11]: Robots radio, games, lore, stories, community, just press play. [SPEAKER_11]: Welcome to the Fallout lore cast. [SPEAKER_11]: the podcast that explores the boundaries of our knowledge about the world of fallout. [SPEAKER_11]: Vault dwellers and waste landers. [SPEAKER_11]: Welcome. [SPEAKER_11]: I will send waste dwellers and vault landers.

[SPEAKER_11]: That's weird. [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, hey, welcome. [SPEAKER_11]: This is a very different kind of episode of what we've been doing lately, because it is time to talk with our patrons. [SPEAKER_11]: It's the end of the month. [SPEAKER_11]: And this time, I'm here. [SPEAKER_11]: because I'm not on vacation.

[SPEAKER_11]: And thank you all for filling in for me while I was gone. [SPEAKER_11]: That was that was super fun. [SPEAKER_11]: It sounds like you guys had a great time. [SPEAKER_11]: But I missed you all. [SPEAKER_11]: And I'm so happy to be able to talk with you about episode seven of season two. [SPEAKER_11]: We are getting so close to the end.

[SPEAKER_11]: Episode seven was a real banger. [SPEAKER_11]: Lots of stuff to go over. [SPEAKER_11]: Some really cool stuff. [SPEAKER_11]: And I can't wait to get all of your thoughts and impressions. [SPEAKER_11]: And predictions for what happens in the final episode of the season, it is coming to a head.

[SPEAKER_11]: This is going to be amazing. [SPEAKER_11]: And welcome back to all of you here. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm going to call out all your names, you're going to unmute yourselves and you're going to make either the sound of Max's misses and CR power armor or the death claw during the fight and it'll sound like the fight.

[SPEAKER_11]: It's perfect. [SPEAKER_11]: There's no raid. [SPEAKER_11]: This will not sound exactly what happened on the screen. [SPEAKER_11]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_11]: Welcome back to Nova and Lil Green and Pumpkin King and Void and Ira and Ash and Adam's child. [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, you guys should do fully work for the TV show.

[SPEAKER_11]: That was amazing. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm so excited to go through this episode with you guys. [SPEAKER_11]: There's so much to talk about, but for those of you who are listening and part of the live Twitch stream audience, thanks for being here. [SPEAKER_11]: We're going to be going through each of the different scenes, and it's going to be kind of similar to the way I break it down solo, as I've been doing for the last so many episodes.

[SPEAKER_11]: But the patrons are going to chime in with some of their thoughts, and we're going to talk through some of these different points, and then we're going to [SPEAKER_11]: try to figure out where things are going to wrap up. [SPEAKER_11]: So let's get into it. [SPEAKER_11]: First, this episode kicks off and we finally get some background for Steph.

[SPEAKER_11]: We know that she's been kind of this ice queen and she's like brutal in Vault 32 ruling with a nigh and fist and all of that. [SPEAKER_11]: But then we find out that she's actually had a rough background. [SPEAKER_11]: Then only as she Canadian, but she had to [SPEAKER_11]: Her mother died, she had to do some terrible things, and she, in fact, the scene opens up really, really intensely.

[SPEAKER_11]: She takes out some people, what do you all, let's just open this up, who would like to start this off and talk about stuff in the opening scene. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm can finally Canadian lore, Canadian lore, yes, yes. [SPEAKER_02]: I picked up those entire episode of the Canadian lore. [SPEAKER_11]: Canadian lore, I think one of the things the scene does is really show how difficult and dangerous things were.

[SPEAKER_11]: And how much things were really falling apart before the bombs dropped. [SPEAKER_11]: The fact that Canadians, you know, were being... [SPEAKER_11]: put into camps, and we're being controlled, and she was this desperate to get over the border, and then pretend to be an American to become part of Valtek, and all of that.

[SPEAKER_11]: Any thoughts about this scene about like the murder that she does, Ash? [SPEAKER_00]: I like the quote that her mother says, don't think of them as human beings. [SPEAKER_00]: Think of them as Americans. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's kind of raw. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it plays into the tribalism that we see across the show in the games where people identify with a specific group and then everyone else is on the outside of the group.

[SPEAKER_11]: And so therefore, they treated not like humans anymore. [SPEAKER_11]: which is very much a real thing that happens to humans especially during wartime. [SPEAKER_11]: I mean wartime propaganda often paints the adversaries as animals or things like that or during slavery slaves were treated and called animal names in order to make it easier to not have to think of them as people which is super dark but clearly you see a representative in this episode.

[SPEAKER_11]: And you also have thoughts on this opening scene before we move on because there's [SPEAKER_08]: I just wanted to comment on how well done the eye effect for her eye socket was like I found that it was so gruesome and amazingly well done and I really hope it was practical [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's probably a combination.

[SPEAKER_11]: A lot of the effects, so like, for example, the death clause are practical, but they're also computer touched up. [SPEAKER_11]: They're generated. [SPEAKER_11]: They're seeing some of the scenes. [SPEAKER_11]: They're fully computer-generated, but in some of them, they are guys in these practical suits that are like nine feet tall.

[SPEAKER_11]: And you can see the seams in them in the back, behind the scenes footage, and so that stuff is kind of edited out and cleaned up using post production computer work and that kind of thing. [SPEAKER_11]: So it's a combination. [SPEAKER_11]: So I would guess it was probably a combination of really good makeup and then a little bit of touch up on the back end, which usually creates the best results.

[SPEAKER_11]: Well here let's move on we get we get that scene she crosses the border and has to murder a person and it's just opposed with her like going through this like PTSD thing of remembering this moment brushing her teeth and the blood that comes out of her mouth as sometimes happens when you brush your teeth and then we get the scene with Lucy and Hank and we see that she's starting to be a little bit more open to Hank's [SPEAKER_11]: perspective on things and in the pre-show I talked about how we want to go through each episode each is kind of seen by scene so let's talk about this in general this specific scene and then as we get through the episode we'll talk a little bit more about like what's actually going on here but who would like to talk about Lucy and Hank in this scene?

[SPEAKER_11]: Anybody have any thoughts? [SPEAKER_11]: Nova? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I just have just one quick question, are we going to, are we, like, in the previous, the previous scene, I just wanted to bring something up, it kind of breaks the lower or rewrite some of the lower, we're going to, we'll talk about later, um, sure.

[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, you can point it out now because if it's about that specific scene, sure. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, because, uh, [SPEAKER_07]: It was in the fall of time, it was a lunch when it took 20 to 76 when America actually annexed Canada, but it was implied that the scene took place many, many, many years, but not a lot of many years, but a few years before the actual time, but the pre-war time was okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't catch it. [SPEAKER_11]: What implied that it was earlier than that? [SPEAKER_07]: Well, because do you really think that she'll be able to make her way all the way down to Las Vegas and get a job there and then become a high ranking full tech executive under buds buds within that amount of time?

[SPEAKER_11]: Well, if it's within a year that could be possible. [SPEAKER_11]: We also saw that a lot of the people in buds buds group are a bunch of idiots and they're all kind of green, right? [SPEAKER_11]: I was gonna bring it up later when we did that scene, but I think that's the counterpoint to, I mean, that's a good point, but also a lot can happen in a year and on top of it, like the one girl who's one of Buds Buds was hired a week before, and she was in that list, like she was cryogenically frozen.

[SPEAKER_11]: So potentially, maybe they were desperate for people to sign on because Bud was such an idiot that he was bad at selling. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I do think we want me to remember this scene of the month of the month of the month and 38 takes place after the meeting and the meeting kind of it kind of divert the meeting I assume had taken place at least two years before the actual great war because it gives each different of company.

[SPEAKER_07]: the individual vaults. [SPEAKER_07]: And so they have to have a lot of time, they even have a lot of time to retrofit said vaults for the experiments that they're going to need. [SPEAKER_07]: So I always assume that it kind of that it would have been a place at least two years or four. [SPEAKER_07]: And so that seamer that I was escaping would have taken place at least three years or four, 84 years or four, the great war.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, that's just, that's just, that's where I'm thinking, and so let's just push the timeline of American, and Canada all a couple of years. [SPEAKER_11]: Right, well, it's, it's a lot of speculation, right? [SPEAKER_11]: Like, because we don't actually have part of dates on a lot of that stuff.

[SPEAKER_11]: So, I mean, you could be right, but also maybe, maybe there was other stuff going on, or maybe, and a lot of, and this is the thing that happens in TV shows. [SPEAKER_11]: Oftentimes, these little holes are filled with other justifications, like, [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe she was able to like the situation where she helps Hank out because Cooper wants to get rid of Hank in that situation, right?

[SPEAKER_11]: Maybe that connection maybe she I don't know seduces him and I mean, I know that's kind of cringy, but like there there could be [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, my guess is that there could be methods with which she used in order to get in his good graces Maybe she acted like his savior like oh, I saved your life and then he was like, oh, and then that created a bond between them And then he was able to get her the position that she needed and then only took a month or two You know like there would be This is something that I Sorry, this is my microphone.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is something I just saw and I wanted to air out get other perspectives on it because it kind of well Just look at I was like mmm [SPEAKER_07]: This just makes it look like a this makes it seem a little bit weirder and yeah, kind of yeah It was like in my mind. [SPEAKER_11]: I was trying to justify like how would actually fit into the timeline with everything that we saw off right right So yeah, and These are all fair points just a long enough, so yeah, it's a time and and these are fair points and I think the real answer is that [SPEAKER_11]: It's a transition from a video game to a TV show, and so there are going to be breaks in the lore, and that's just going to happen, because that's what happens.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's just kind of the way that I can think of, really blows that maybe the last complaint ran near your rating, which by the way, the city's name was your rating, which is very apt for, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Because it was called the Uranium City Detention Facility Detention Center. [SPEAKER_07]: Like you can see, sign the background as the step is right on the hill, called your radio city tension center.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so I thought it was very apt and they chose that specifically. [SPEAKER_07]: But it was like the only thing really thing I was thinking was maybe that they, the lasting pipeline was running nearby that. [SPEAKER_07]: And then they were just in the meetings inside the sea. [SPEAKER_07]: It was causing a lot of problems trying to sabotage the pipeline.

[SPEAKER_07]: Because there was something inside the pile of bival that said that Katie and Sabotours were trying to sabotage the lasting pipeline. [SPEAKER_07]: So America was increasing its military presence. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that could totally be interesting. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's the only thing I can really think of.

[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe that would fit into the timeline. [SPEAKER_07]: But let's move on to the scene of Hank. [SPEAKER_07]: Sure, sure. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, these are all interesting points. [SPEAKER_11]: And my sense of all of that is that you're never going to make sure that everything fits tightly together like a puzzle piece is that there's always going to be things that just kind of [SPEAKER_11]: don't fit 100% because things are written by different people and they're made for different platforms and you know, it's just kind of the way it is.

[SPEAKER_11]: But it's always interesting to try to see if it does fit. [SPEAKER_11]: I think that's definitely a thing worth mentioning. [SPEAKER_11]: Void. [SPEAKER_09]: I can make it fit really quickly. [SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: Sure. [SPEAKER_09]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_09]: Annexation is not something that just immediately happens.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's like what Russia was doing to Ukraine a couple years ago. [SPEAKER_09]: They were trying to annex Ukraine and it was just in all out warzone pretty much. [SPEAKER_09]: It's not that it just happens overnight. [SPEAKER_09]: It's basically you're fighting for that land and then once you gain that land, that's the annexation.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's a good point. [SPEAKER_09]: It would have been a time before it was actually annexed, but they were still fighting for it. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but like I would as I was saying that like having an American attention facility in Canada Literally entire city in Canada kind of seems like that has already been completely annexed is what I was trying to say but that could be this That's simply or it's a military base and they've captured people and they're they're pushing into the land But they haven't fully annexed yet, so you don't have a final because data is great Cities at the very northern tip of Saskatchewan.

[SPEAKER_07]: I just looked it up and Saskatchewan goes about like [SPEAKER_07]: halfway up Canada. [SPEAKER_07]: Pretty much. [SPEAKER_07]: All of that is the northern territory as I think. [SPEAKER_07]: So that's a very, very, very far north, which you know, Canada being most of population along the southern border when make it fairly easy but still it's a fairly, uh, it's a fairly inland city to capture and hold for in.

[SPEAKER_07]: But again, it's all just fuzzy speculation, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Like, there's a new name you're reading, they're finding the radio in there, and it's to go over the mines, specifically for the war. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe? [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, there could be a lot of reasons that these things do work out, but yeah, I think these are all interesting points, but let's move on, because we've got more stuff to cover.

[SPEAKER_11]: And also, welcome to Remi. [SPEAKER_11]: Welcome, joined in in a little bit late by glad that you're here. [SPEAKER_11]: And here, let's move on to Lucy and Hank, and it looks like Lucy's starting to be [SPEAKER_11]: argument she's starting to ask questions and think I don't have a child what do you think about this scene?

[SPEAKER_08]: Um, I watched that scene and I looked at Hank start to kind of, I want to say he kind of started tricking himself in his effort to try and convince her that what he's doing is right because you could see that he was trying to continue to manipulate her and show her all the things that she missed in the vault and all that stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then he gets the moment [SPEAKER_08]: to creep into his fatherly like father-daughter bonding thing, you feel for a moment that they're actually connecting. [SPEAKER_08]: And I thought that was good. [SPEAKER_08]: And I like how he's trying to build on the previous episode where he was trying to convince her about this plan that it's [SPEAKER_08]: bad in her eyes, but in his eyes, it's the lesser evil.

[SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: That seems to be his justification here. [SPEAKER_11]: You're ahead some thoughts too. [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think here? [SPEAKER_04]: when you can see that Lucy's thinking that maybe this is actually like it's making sense in a way.

[SPEAKER_04]: It made me think like when you're playing the games, and especially for the first time, you don't know like you're getting to know the factions and like you're kind of playing on everybody's side maybe in like choosing that was kind of the same that. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I don't really know what to, [SPEAKER_04]: I don't really know what to decide.

[SPEAKER_11]: Right, she's like feeling it out. [SPEAKER_11]: It seems like she's actually giving a shot. [SPEAKER_11]: Like, okay, tell me more about this. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what made me think of the games in that. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that makes sense, and it's interesting because it seems like his father-ness, if that's a word, is authentic that he genuinely still seems to care about her.

[SPEAKER_11]: And in the previous episode, we saw him doing the thing where he didn't push back. [SPEAKER_11]: He just was like, okay, that's what we're doing. [SPEAKER_11]: And that was his form of manipulation against her. [SPEAKER_11]: And then you get the scene where they're going on the golf cart and she's like, what is a golf cart?

[SPEAKER_11]: Which is, of course, hilarious. [SPEAKER_11]: and then they get down to, you know, this, the guy mopping the floor, who was previously this legionary, who was going to murder everybody and now he's just like, docile and like, oh, don't slip on the floor, but I just mopped, you know, that's sort of stuff.

[SPEAKER_11]: Ash, what do you think? [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Hank really kind of started screwing himself over when he told her that perfect is the enemy of good because she's looking around at this like perfect quote unquote like bolt that he has created but it's not good it's not because he's you know kidnapped these people he's mind controlled them it's not something somebody [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, it was a, like his analogy was you're trying to shoot for perfect, but really we just need to do good enough, but you're right, this still isn't good, like you can see her process that, like, okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: She really solidified her opinion that what her dad was doing was not the right decision. [SPEAKER_07]: When she was talking to the former ranger, because she had seen what the NCR had done, she had talked to Max Miss and everyone else from Vol 4 who were former NCR citizens, and they were telling her about how [SPEAKER_07]: The insert was not perfect, but it was good.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was far better than the state that California is in right now, as a result of what her dad was doing. [SPEAKER_07]: And so she was thinking probably on the lines of, okay, well, my dad ruined something that was already really good and nearing on as perfect as the wasteland can be. [SPEAKER_07]: So then she can implement his own good society [SPEAKER_07]: Right because Who's gonna say that he's not gonna ruin this as well, so that's probably that's what I took away Well, yeah, I think that's a great point is that like by his own argument isn't the NCR good?

[SPEAKER_11]: It's not perfect, but at least it's good enough. [SPEAKER_11]: It's better than what else is out there and [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't come out and it doesn't come along with for some people to slavery, right? [SPEAKER_07]: And with actually fighting against slavery and relieving people from slavery and oppression and actually offlifting them in a natural way rather than being forced upon them.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and even though there might be bad people in the NCR, there are still people who are good people who have at least the freedom with which to try to forward those agendas, like better agendas. [SPEAKER_11]: So yeah, it's not perfect, but at least there are still are good people there.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, no, at the great point, I think that's really solid. [SPEAKER_11]: All right, let's move on. [SPEAKER_11]: We've got the whole thing with Thaddeus and Maximus in the goal and they're marching into this now abandoned NCR site in order to find a bunch of weapons in order to fight the death clause.

[SPEAKER_11]: And the goal knows that Maximus has the cold fusion on him and this is leading into the stuff that's about to happen. [SPEAKER_11]: So we don't have to spend too much time on this specific scene. [SPEAKER_11]: But Thaddi is just trying to connect with him as like, oh, we're just two ghouls aren't we?

[SPEAKER_11]: And it's becoming more and more clear. [SPEAKER_11]: He's not turning into a ghoul. [SPEAKER_11]: This is not this is not ghoul stuff, but we'll continue with that as we move forward. [SPEAKER_11]: Let's jump into it because by the way, we can summarize all of this once they actually get to the weapons in the power armor.

[SPEAKER_11]: But the next scene we have, the behind the scenes stuff of, well, it's not behind the scenes. [SPEAKER_11]: It's like the, when Steph was working at [SPEAKER_11]: the casino and she's talking to Cooper and Cooper's getting rid of the body and all of that so we come to find out that like there's that connection there as well what do you guys think about that this became up a little bit already but any other thoughts on this one any thoughts any anybody chiming in no nothing that about this one we can keep moving because we kind of covered that a little bit already and then we get to Cooper sitting down with the rep [SPEAKER_11]: and i think this is another one of those big topics and it might be worth just discussing the the whole situation going on here because do you think that she and this is one of the big questions the internet has is she on cleave is she playing dumb is she manipulating him or is she genuine when she's like hey

[SPEAKER_11]: If you can get something and we can give it to the president, that's a good person, and this is the right thing to do. [SPEAKER_11]: I saw Adam's child hand first, we'll do you, and then we'll jump to era. [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think? [SPEAKER_08]: I think she is 100% on-clave, because this version of the on-clave granted, we know how much industry affects politics, but this version of on-clave could be purists or patriotic purists.

[SPEAKER_08]: As in, we don't need them if we're the only ones left standing. [SPEAKER_08]: So they [SPEAKER_08]: basically have a toxic idea that only the government should stand in power is what I feel like it could be going towards. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, then you think that she's been manipulative this whole time.

[SPEAKER_11]: She's been putting on this facade in order to get in Cooper's good graces to then capitalize on this moment. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think it was actually a facade. [SPEAKER_08]: She believes everything that she's saying. [SPEAKER_11]: Even though the leaders were counter to on clay of agendas previously when she was standing up for democracy and all of the things that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, the on clay is basically just the continuing of a superior government in their eyes. [SPEAKER_08]: So claiming that it is proper democracy wouldn't necessarily be incorrect in their eyes. [SPEAKER_11]: What do you guys, is there any other something else on that? [SPEAKER_11]: I'm not sure how I feel about that specific take, pumping, pumpkin?

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's more of, if she's manipulating him, but there's someone manipulating her. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of like, she's fully believing that what she's doing, what she, like her view is correct. [SPEAKER_03]: But there's somebody up higher than her that's like, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like agreeing with her, but you know. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, so does she know that she's, does she know that she's, does she know that she's working for the on clay? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a little thing, is she might not even know that she's working for. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, so you're taking the other side of that, that she doesn't know if, if she's sure about that.

[SPEAKER_11]: Um, so here's, let's, let's, let's just break into this. [SPEAKER_11]: I know this is jumping ahead and I said we weren't going to do that. [SPEAKER_11]: But change in the role as we go because this is, this is a juicy topic. [SPEAKER_11]: Later on, we find out that the big reveal at the end is that her brain is powering the mainframe.

[SPEAKER_11]: The mainframe that controls all the mind-controlled devices. [SPEAKER_11]: The reason and the assumption here, at least on my part, and feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. [SPEAKER_11]: The assumption is that her mind is the one being used because she is...

[SPEAKER_11]: pleasant and docile and all of these things and those are traits that as Hank described were things that they wanted to insert into these people's minds so that they would become good citizens and good people. [SPEAKER_11]: And so she is the template that is now causing that to be functional and all of these other individuals because she's the mainframe, right?

[SPEAKER_11]: That seems to be what's implied here. [SPEAKER_11]: If she was malicious, [SPEAKER_11]: Not then, not so much that she didn't believe in what she was doing, but if she was malicious and working towards something darker, then wouldn't that trait also manifest in all the other people who are being controlled?

[SPEAKER_11]: And if it does, has it just not happened yet? [SPEAKER_11]: Is that the way they're going to rebel against Hank? [SPEAKER_11]: Are they all just pretending to comply until the right time where they will push back and do the thing kind of like she was pretending to be one of the good guys potentially until the moment where she's able to capitalize on that?

[SPEAKER_11]: And he thought it's on that because I feel like those two things have to be kind of justified in some way. [SPEAKER_11]: How shall I? [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think? [SPEAKER_08]: I just thought of something that's somewhat confusing to me if she was the mainframe. [SPEAKER_08]: How was house able to mine control those guys outside the bar?

[SPEAKER_11]: Because she wasn't an element that she wasn't a part of that yet and they've been continuing to work on the tech and maybe one of the things they realized or even Hank realized later. [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know when her head ended up there, but one of the things he realized later was that the technology was not working which house realizes because he pops the guys head.

[SPEAKER_11]: And so maybe she was the missing piece that made it work that we didn't see get implemented somehow. [SPEAKER_11]: But that would imply because her head doesn't look like it's ancient that she was cryogenically frozen and part of that vault also. [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe, I don't know, there's a lot of like, there's a lot of missing pieces in this one, I think, when it comes to her.

[SPEAKER_11]: I think we're probably all in the same page that the president here is absolutely on-clave, right? [SPEAKER_09]: So what you're saying is we need an actual human element in the research. [SPEAKER_03]: yeah well in the technology in the technology to actually control the other brains yeah pumpkin we think this but brain just kind of connected something i don't this is kind of just a theory yeah it's fine no i mean this is an open place for theories like we none of us know the actual answers about that and is that her head is [SPEAKER_03]: slightly decayed.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's 200 years in the future. [SPEAKER_03]: If it was put there 200 years ago, it would be a skeleton. [SPEAKER_03]: So years ago, it would be a skull. [SPEAKER_03]: Just skull. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: And it's not in a jar. [SPEAKER_11]: It's not like it's not in a jar. [SPEAKER_03]: Robo brain.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's got like Hank was looking for someone that is like perfect society. [SPEAKER_03]: And what he saw in said character was someone who saw like a perfect society. [SPEAKER_03]: in their mentality. [SPEAKER_03]: So the main frame is connected to her brain that's controlling all the other character, all those characters.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: My brain hurts. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and that's why it works is because she's the right personality to implant into them. [SPEAKER_11]: And if that's the case, then how could she be an on-clay of member? [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, that sort of was like, I don't think that's why I have that, like, my brain's like, I don't think she's an on-clay member, but I do believe that one point she was being controlled by the on-clay in a manipulative way, instead of a mind-controlled way, which and she just ended up being a [SPEAKER_03]: VIP as they call them.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's that was in said vault tech vault that was down there. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and maybe maybe all representatives and congresspeople were able to have access to vaults or something. [SPEAKER_11]: Also, she and the president may have been of the same political party and that's why she trusted him.

[SPEAKER_11]: We don't know what political party they are. [SPEAKER_11]: We don't even know this president's name. [SPEAKER_11]: There are presidents of the on-clave that show up in the games, but we don't know officially the name of the president who was in charge at that moment. [SPEAKER_11]: So there's a lot of, I have a lot of questions about this.

[SPEAKER_11]: So it listeners, if you're listening, if you have some theories about this, I know what the internet is, a lot of people have seen posting on Reddit saying, like, absolutely, she's on-clave. [SPEAKER_11]: You might be right, but I don't know yet. [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know if we can confirm that and really, [SPEAKER_11]: nail that down.

[SPEAKER_11]: So it's a curious thing. [SPEAKER_11]: So if you guys have thoughts about this as we continue on, feel free to bring it back up. [SPEAKER_11]: But here, let's move on. [SPEAKER_11]: We've got the whole situation with going back to the Google and Maximus and Thadias. [SPEAKER_11]: And the thing I like about this situation, not only do we see some cool weapons that show up in the other games, um, [SPEAKER_11]: The, uh, uh, what's it called, the, uh, Goss rifle that the, the goal picks up is freaking amazing.

[SPEAKER_11]: We get to see him use it later on the death claw. [SPEAKER_11]: Very takes out big chunks of the death claw, which is super cool. [SPEAKER_11]: But this moment, I thought this moment of Maximus seeing the NCR power armor was amazing because that sums up his character perfectly. [SPEAKER_11]: He was born.

[SPEAKER_11]: In the NCR, in shady sands, to good parents, he remembers what good people are like, he wants to do the right thing. [SPEAKER_11]: He wants to give Lucy the cold fusion because he believes she's a good person, but he also was raised by the brotherhood as a warrior, as somebody who wears power armor and fights.

[SPEAKER_11]: And the combination of those two things coming together in the NCR power armor was just like icing on the cake. [SPEAKER_11]: I was just like, oh, this is so good. [SPEAKER_11]: How did you guys feel about that? [SPEAKER_11]: Ash? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Max said it himself. [SPEAKER_00]: You always end up where you started.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: It's like he was just coming home moment, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I thought that was really good. [SPEAKER_08]: Adam Stroud? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I thought I was just going to insert what the goal said. [SPEAKER_08]: He said never underestimate the power of brand recognition.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and that's one of the scenes where Maximus sees almost a younger version of himself looking up. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, power on there. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, so let's jump ahead a little bit because they march in through free side and the response is everybody follows them and cheers for them.

[SPEAKER_11]: Not only because they know that they're going to take on the death clause, but they see the NCR power armor and they all have a very positive response to that. [SPEAKER_11]: I thought that was interesting because some people don't like the NCR, but it seems like this group of people who got kicked off the strip and were already lived on free side seem to have very positive feeling about that.

[SPEAKER_11]: What are your thoughts? [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think about that? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I have something that I wanted to go back to. [SPEAKER_03]: The [SPEAKER_03]: main scene, okay, where they were talking with the power of her and it's a sadius keeps is again trying to buddy buddy with [SPEAKER_03]: the cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then he goes, hey, is this normal? [SPEAKER_03]: The mouth on his neck. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Down. [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a mouth on his like collar. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: collarbone. [SPEAKER_03]: And the goal just gives him a look of no.

[SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: His responses, his non-responses are are wonderful. [SPEAKER_11]: We'll get to fatty us in a little bit. [SPEAKER_11]: We'll talk about that. [SPEAKER_11]: Nobody. [SPEAKER_11]: Did you have some thoughts about about the marching in through free side?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was going to say feels like I probably just simplifies that NCR probably won the previous war, a battle of Hoover Dam. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the second battle of Hoover Nash was looking for was the NCR region war. [SPEAKER_07]: They probably it's I think that they won that just purely because everyone reacts.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, oh, yeah, the NCR is back. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, who were free? [SPEAKER_07]: And I was going to also add that. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm Blake and actually on the second thought that I had, sorry, it's okay. [SPEAKER_11]: If it comes back later, you can shine back in. [SPEAKER_11]: You don't need to force it right now, but yeah, maybe that's the case.

[SPEAKER_11]: And that's the thing is that like they've kept it very vague as to like, is there a cannon ending or not? [SPEAKER_11]: And, you know, maybe and there's all these little hints that maybe that's the way that played out, but yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_11]: All right.

[SPEAKER_11]: Let's move along. [SPEAKER_11]: We've got the scene. [SPEAKER_11]: How do you now feel about norm? [SPEAKER_11]: What's going on with poor norm? [SPEAKER_11]: He gets getting keeps getting knocked out and then the guys, the other vault tech people are like, well, if it says it's okay to kill him in the manual, because the one guy just claimed that that was the case.

[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, clearly this is a commentary on corporate workers who just comply and don't ask questions because they're just doing what they need to do get by and they don't really care. [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think's going to happen with norm here? [SPEAKER_11]: Because he gets on the radio later, he tries to contact Lucy.

[SPEAKER_11]: We see that she's not near the radio in the special vault that she's in, but somebody else is going to hear that, right? [SPEAKER_11]: Like, where is that going? [SPEAKER_11]: And is it going to the same place that when Hank first got to that vault, he tried contacting somebody. [SPEAKER_11]: My assumption was, it was house.

[SPEAKER_11]: But I'm starting to wonder if that was somebody in control of the on-clave, or something like that. [SPEAKER_11]: And my guess is both of those messages will have been heard by the same person or group. [SPEAKER_11]: But I'm not 100% sure what that is. [SPEAKER_11]: My sense is it's probably on-clave, but they don't really know.

[SPEAKER_11]: Any thoughts on this? [SPEAKER_11]: Nova? [SPEAKER_07]: I honestly thought it was going to be barbed and the other old woman from [SPEAKER_07]: that were down stairs that are from a filly that we're going to save that we're going to save them on so that because I feel like they're going to save norm they're going to come to norm so yeah but because well because she has like even though even though she what's her name not barbed the other the old and yeah yeah yeah what is her name uh this is not coming to my name yeah I feel like that she had [SPEAKER_07]: Me, June.

[SPEAKER_07]: Me, June, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like she does have a debt to pay to Lucy. [SPEAKER_07]: And because Lucy, or because of Norm and her, both sat down were talking, because Lucy took the scientists. [SPEAKER_07]: Wizzy onto, uh, onto molder in the previous season, that she probably feels like that she has, it isn't, uh, Lucy's debt for one reason or another.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so when they bring norm down stairs or whatever, like they're going to ambush, but like she's going to be like, what are you doing with him? [SPEAKER_07]: So they're going to hold my gunpoint in just free norm. [SPEAKER_11]: Or I think you're on to something you're or they're gonna unleash whatever and they're saying it's rad roaches that are stuck in the elevator Whatever stuck in that elevator and I think there is some Evidence it might not just be rad roaches it might be like a super mutant or something maybe I don't know But maybe they unleash whatever's in the elevator in order to save norm and then that's how he gets that I think you might be on to something maybe Yeah, there's there's something there with may June and all of that because

[SPEAKER_07]: They would not just bring back May-Jume in Barb. [SPEAKER_07]: Just for a chance. [SPEAKER_07]: Just to please the viewers. [SPEAKER_07]: Because they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're,

[SPEAKER_11]: Bob, Bob, yeah, yeah, mumbles the entire time. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's a good way, because I know, like, there's definitely not going to just kill Norm. [SPEAKER_11]: He's too important for the plot. [SPEAKER_11]: So how does he get out of it? [SPEAKER_11]: I think you might be on to something.

[SPEAKER_11]: I think we might see something like this play out in the next episode. [SPEAKER_11]: All right, you guys ready for talking more about Steph and Chet and the whole situation with Woody, where did Woody go? [SPEAKER_11]: The glasses are down the disposal. [SPEAKER_11]: Chet finally grows a spine and stands up on his wedding day against her.

[SPEAKER_11]: And then tries to convince everyone there that like, oh, she did something to Woody and they're like, well, where's the evidence? [SPEAKER_11]: And he's like, put it back down the drain. [SPEAKER_11]: and then he's like, oh, but I have this, she's a Canadian, and they're like, what a Canadian, and they chase her into the room, and she has the box.

[SPEAKER_11]: So here's my big question about all of that. [SPEAKER_11]: What is she going to do? [SPEAKER_11]: And what is in the box? [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think about this? [SPEAKER_11]: Now I have some speculation. [SPEAKER_11]: Adam's job. [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think? [SPEAKER_08]: So, first off, I wanted to say that I loved the symbolism of him snapping the glasses, symbolizing that he has snapped.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, interesting. [SPEAKER_08]: That's okay. [SPEAKER_08]: That's why he's finding clicks for him. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: He's had too much. [SPEAKER_08]: Boom. [SPEAKER_08]: Now, I think I know what's in the box. [SPEAKER_08]: And I think I know why she wants it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Because she wants revenge on America in my opinion as what I think she wants and who else had access to that box. [SPEAKER_08]: But Hank, who's the only one who had access to the bomb that blew up shady sands? [SPEAKER_08]: Hank. [SPEAKER_08]: So I think there are launch codes in there or something to control the bombs.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think her plan is to detonate them somewhere. [SPEAKER_11]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_11]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay. [SPEAKER_11]: So that's a theory. [SPEAKER_11]: I hadn't [SPEAKER_11]: Anyway, I'll have a theory about what's in the box. [SPEAKER_11]: I've got ideas, I have ideas.

[SPEAKER_11]: I think it may be vials of FV. [SPEAKER_11]: That might be the secret is that they've had it in the vault the whole time, and it's dependent on an overseer to then put it in the water supply or whatever. [SPEAKER_11]: I think that could be a thing. [SPEAKER_11]: Also, notice the box seems big enough to fit ahead in or a brain.

[SPEAKER_11]: That seems a little bit weird, it's big. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm kidding, what do you think? [SPEAKER_03]: Where, what is another box we've been seeing throughout this season? [SPEAKER_03]: Chained to Hank's hand. [SPEAKER_03]: the little injector, remove everything, this, this, this be a thing of cold fusion.

[SPEAKER_11]: Like an, oh, like a, like a backup cold fusion that was given in the vault, and maybe, maybe, whatever it is, it's valuable to Steph. [SPEAKER_11]: And so if it's something that's valuable to her, and she's seeking vengeance against America, then drop in a bunch of FVV and evolve full of [SPEAKER_11]: But something about this still doesn't click for me.

[SPEAKER_11]: It doesn't fully come together. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm not convinced of any of these theories. [SPEAKER_11]: So if any of you have any thoughts about that, feel free to chime in. [SPEAKER_11]: If anything else clicks as we go, right? [SPEAKER_11]: But we've clearly seen that Betty is not on the same page as Steph.

[SPEAKER_11]: That they are, even though they both worked for Valtek, they are not on the same page and they are not working towards the same agenda, right? [SPEAKER_11]: So. [SPEAKER_11]: there's probably something going on with that. [SPEAKER_11]: Then we get back to free side. [SPEAKER_11]: They do the whole march through the scene, the, you know, through the city thing, and then we're back to Lucy in the vault.

[SPEAKER_11]: She finally puts the dress on. [SPEAKER_11]: My sense of this is that is the moment where she decides to comply in order to start manipulating Hank back. [SPEAKER_11]: And I love the sense that she is her father's daughter, that she has learned so much from him, including how to now manipulate him in the same way that she's trying to manipulate her, right?

[SPEAKER_11]: This kind of goes both ways. [SPEAKER_11]: Here, did you have something you wanted to say about this? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I had about the previous one. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, sure. [SPEAKER_11]: In the free sight scene? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my gosh, what is her name? [SPEAKER_04]: What's up with me?

[SPEAKER_04]: Stephanie, I mean, getting the box? [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, Stephanie. [SPEAKER_04]: Did you notice the painting? [SPEAKER_04]: No, the other. [SPEAKER_11]: Stephanie, when she goes in her office, there's a painting in the back of his Todd Howard on a horse. [SPEAKER_11]: Yes. [SPEAKER_11]: Is that what you're talking about?

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, so the secret the secret uh, safe she has in the wall is behind this big painting and it's a painting that shows up it's in one of the games so follow up three maybe I don't remember which game it for is it for pumpkin says four um yeah and it's and it's it looks like Napoleon on the back of a horse but it's Todd Howard and it's an Easter egg in the game which is now in the show is that that's what you're bringing it up [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I was I was trying to keep up what we were talking about it was Yeah, I don't know if it wasn't over that scene or not.

[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, it was Betty. [SPEAKER_11]: It was when Betty moved the picture. [SPEAKER_11]: That's right. [SPEAKER_04]: Right Betty. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm misremembering. [SPEAKER_11]: I thought I was thinking stuff and he was in the it was Betty's office right that makes sense [SPEAKER_04]: That was just what I noticed.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, thank you for reminding me about that. [SPEAKER_11]: That is awesome. [SPEAKER_11]: That is a really cool point. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, for sure. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: All right. [SPEAKER_11]: So let's jump ahead. [SPEAKER_11]: We've got, uh, we've got, okay. [SPEAKER_11]: So Lucy is now complying with Hank.

[SPEAKER_11]: She's wearing the dress and all of that. [SPEAKER_11]: We have the scene where she then uncuffs his hand and then recuffs it. [SPEAKER_11]: Did you guys expect that this was going to happen? [SPEAKER_11]: this felt like a little bit of surprise. [SPEAKER_11]: I remember you're nodding your head, you haven't a chance to chime in.

[SPEAKER_11]: What did you think? [SPEAKER_06]: Do you hear me? [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, go ahead. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, go ahead. [SPEAKER_06]: I felt like Lucy, she wants to believe her dad. [SPEAKER_06]: Um, she loves him, she cares about him, but she knows she doesn't agree with the things that he's been doing.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: So I think most of this time, she's been either trying to see things from his perspective or see a way to, you know, wrench control away from him. [SPEAKER_11]: that part didn't that didn't surprise you surprised me at all okay so you were expecting that she was now complying like he had been complying before in order to manipulate him and then finally she was like okay I'm doing I'm doing I'm taking care of this and she locks him down on the on the oven yeah so this is also the scene where she she is trying to [SPEAKER_11]: Convince her of this false equivalency of which we brought it before about the Legion and the NCR and how they're both wrong and so they're both bad and then she very clearly just succinctly points out that like one of them are murders and rapists the other are just kind of wrong sometimes and yet they're the same What commits not the same?

[SPEAKER_11]: That's not a problem and I love that she pointed that out. [SPEAKER_11]: Void, what did you think? [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry, I don't even know what we're seeing we're on [SPEAKER_09]: We started talking about the rad roaches in the elevator shaft earlier, and it got me thinking about the teaser trailer.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: Where we saw the rad roach attack in the teaser trailer. [SPEAKER_11]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_09]: All of those are Vault 31 vault suits. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, so that so maybe we're right. [SPEAKER_11]: So maybe no one I hear on something, yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Whether they break out or they're released onto them.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, something happens. [SPEAKER_11]: It seems like something happens with them. [SPEAKER_11]: Yep, yep, that's great. [SPEAKER_07]: That's a fun point. [SPEAKER_07]: That's a fun point. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure the Radec Hall was just a misdirection. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, maybe. [SPEAKER_11]: All right, any other thoughts about Lucy and Hank?

[SPEAKER_11]: Because it seems pretty clear that she was manipulating him and now has done what she's doing. [SPEAKER_11]: Pumpkin? [SPEAKER_03]: So as somebody brought up earlier, she kind of made her final decision when it came to her like for her decision when the NCR Ranger guy had come down. [SPEAKER_03]: It was helped was giving them water and she started asking him the questions and that is, I also fully believe that's where Lucy kind of made her final decision.

[SPEAKER_11]: That's where it really clicked for her. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, any of those moments feel like they could have been like that moment. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: I think you're right. [SPEAKER_11]: All right. [SPEAKER_11]: So let's talk about let's am scrubbing through the episode a little bit.

[SPEAKER_11]: We've got we've already talked about chat finally standing up against stuff. [SPEAKER_11]: And then we have the fight scene with Maximus and the [SPEAKER_11]: Poor Fatty is loses his arm. [SPEAKER_11]: When this happened and I've totally expected that he's not turning into a goal, I predicted this last season.

[SPEAKER_11]: I'm like, this is FVV or something. [SPEAKER_11]: He's going to become a super mutant or something worse. [SPEAKER_11]: We've all talked about this before. [SPEAKER_11]: That maybe he's turning into a centaur or something like that. [SPEAKER_11]: And then his arm fell off. [SPEAKER_11]: And my wife and I are watching this together.

[SPEAKER_11]: And I looked over at her. [SPEAKER_11]: You know, it's just like what? [SPEAKER_11]: I was just like that, so crazy. [SPEAKER_11]: What did you think about this? [SPEAKER_11]: Is he gonna be a centaur and does that make sense? [SPEAKER_11]: Centaur is typically our cross bread between different creatures or people?

[SPEAKER_11]: What do you think, pumpkin? [SPEAKER_03]: So it could be a centaur. [SPEAKER_03]: It could be anything that could be considered the term abomination. [SPEAKER_11]: In abomination of some a story, right? [SPEAKER_11]: A herald, maybe it's another arrow. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, but like, if you like, when you look at his arm fall down, it's very clearly that like that was like covered in necrosis where it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Catch. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: So like there's clearly, we're clearly way more. [SPEAKER_03]: then. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And if there's because like we saw that should the the extra mouth that was on his shoulder. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: The arm falling off.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think he might be turning into a second person. [SPEAKER_11]: The second person. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: He's there's something we're going on with a terrible joke. [SPEAKER_11]: Well. [SPEAKER_11]: If you look at the centers, there are arms look like they fell off and then they have all of these arms where their legs are supposed to be and there's also, in the lore, it talks a little bit about how there's like maybe cross like the DNA is cross between humans and other creatures like maybe dogs but then you go back to the scene where remember when he fixed his foot when his foot was basically falling off, dog meat licks his foot.

[SPEAKER_11]: Do you remember this? [SPEAKER_11]: And I can't take credit for this, somebody online pointed this out. [SPEAKER_11]: Dog meat, licks his wounded foot, then he gets the FV from the chicken guy, then he starts to mutate. [SPEAKER_11]: Did some of Dog meats DNA get in his system and that's part of what's causing him to turn into a centaur?

[SPEAKER_11]: That could be a thing, right? [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, it seems a little crazy, but it kind of fits. [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think, Pupkin? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was just going to tell the joke that Revee said the Revee put in the chat, so I'll go ahead and go ahead. [SPEAKER_03]: Infective to get disarmed like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Disarmed. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_11]: There's some speculation there. [SPEAKER_11]: I think maybe there might be something they're going on. [SPEAKER_11]: But then the fight scene with Maximus and the NCR power armor, this scene was so good because the last time, well, the first time we see him in Power Armor, he's terrible because he doesn't know how to use it.

[SPEAKER_11]: And then this season, we see him in Power Armor. [SPEAKER_11]: He knows what he's doing and now he's got NCR power armor with blades on his arms and he's like going toe to toe with the death clause That's that was great and he thoughts on this. [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, I could go on for an entire episode about this scene, but I want to let you guys talk Ash, what do you think Maximus is definitely a melee bill.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: I saw those blazing. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yeah, this dude's in May labeled. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: And the damage that he was doing to the death clause and eventually chopped one of their heads off, I was like, oh, that's so satisfying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was beautiful. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, very, very, very. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and, and Koop just like could not say anything. [SPEAKER_00]: He just did the little, like, [SPEAKER_11]: right yes yeah the little little cowboy nod like touching his hat thing also every time Cooper sees every time the goal will come the goal because he's a goal here uh when every time he sees a death claw the look in his eyes the sheer terror and the PTSD of that moment from the war you can clearly see coming back and he's just like oh dear god uh and then of course he uses the the um [SPEAKER_11]: with the gauze rifle and that worked out really well and at least chiped away at the death claw and bought him a list at least a little bit of time for Maximus to chop his head off.

[SPEAKER_11]: And then Maximus gets pushed back through the gates, like it's tossed or hit through the gates. [SPEAKER_11]: And then that leaves that as a cliffhanger, right? [SPEAKER_11]: Like, what's going to happen there? [SPEAKER_11]: And I think, well, I don't know that we covered this yet. [SPEAKER_11]: I think we covered this with the predictions for the next episode because it kind of leaves us on that.

[SPEAKER_11]: So any other thoughts on the fight before we move forward? [SPEAKER_03]: I love his reaction. [SPEAKER_03]: Ready, he sits up. [SPEAKER_03]: Looks at the death caught, and it's just, oh, no. [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Little green, you had something you wanted to say?

[SPEAKER_05]: I think definitely this scene solidifies [SPEAKER_05]: Maximus getting his courage honestly because he's going up against like not not just one death claw because after like the initial fight We're but when the cool gets into the lucky 38. [SPEAKER_05]: He turns around to fight two more.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he just goes right at it Right, he doesn't go in the door and close the door and barricade it. [SPEAKER_05]: No, like he's like We like when we first meet and aximists and season one he's [SPEAKER_05]: He's timid, he has no courage, he's just kind of nothing person. [SPEAKER_05]: Now we see him, like, going headlong into dangerous fights and standing for what he, like, you know, like, stands for.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so it's just like, it's nice to see his character become something, I guess. [SPEAKER_05]: And, like, this really solidifies it. [SPEAKER_05]: It was like, oh, wow, like, he's really, like, found his stride and he's like running headfirst into it. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[SPEAKER_11]: I agree. [SPEAKER_11]: And a lot of people have complained that this season's been a little bit light on Maximus, and it's been more focused on the other characters, which I think it has, but I feel like this really starts to justify his, like take kind of taking a back seat a little bit, but [SPEAKER_11]: If you think about the things that he's gone through, it really has pushed the plot forward.

[SPEAKER_11]: The conflict between the different brotherhood groups, the getting the cold fusion and then meeting up with the goal and then defending the goal in order to allow the goal back into the casino. [SPEAKER_11]: Like all of that stuff, he plays a key role in, even if he hasn't been a part of as many of the scenes this season.

[SPEAKER_11]: So I feel like that works pretty well. [SPEAKER_11]: ERA, did you have anything else you wanted to add in? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I was just thinking that it's now that is a long pause that the death plot takes and it's just used to when the death classies you in the game are like, oh, I'm screwed and it's going to attack immediately.

[SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: And it's again, it's one of those translations from game to TV show because you have to give the audience a chance to like emotionally react to it. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, so yeah, that plays out that way. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: you have to build attention and all that of course.

[SPEAKER_11]: Then Cooper goes in and he goes right into like I love to the this scene playing out with the elevator opening up and Cooper coming into house's office as we saw in the pre-war scene previously but this time it's the school and this time the office is in shambles because something happened here and did you notice there's on the desk there's [SPEAKER_11]: And so for those of those of you in my in the audience who are watching the show but haven't played new Vegas snow globes are littered throughout the map and you find them and you collect them.

[SPEAKER_11]: And I noticed on Reddit, the person who made the snow globes chimed in on Reddit and was like, oh my god, [SPEAKER_11]: Gosh, I've been waiting to talk about this for so long because I make the snow globes and the production company bought them from me for the show, but they were under NDA.

[SPEAKER_11]: They couldn't say anything about it and here all of a sudden it shows up as this minor little Easter egg in a scene I thought that was super cool They yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, very very cool. [SPEAKER_11]: You see snow globes. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, a little snow little No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, [SPEAKER_11]: I think there's two on the desk.

[SPEAKER_11]: There's one that's zoomed in on. [SPEAKER_11]: I believe I'll have to go back and look at that. [SPEAKER_07]: There are so globes in the game. [SPEAKER_07]: I want to go back and watch it. [SPEAKER_07]: There's the Hoover Dam Snow Globe, right? [SPEAKER_07]: It's the big button that opens up the door.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yep. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm watching right now, so Hoover Dam one. [SPEAKER_11]: yeah it's right there it's right there so okay so we also before we have this scene and of course Cooper hits the button and then house space comes up on the machine which we'll talk about we also have the scene where or I don't know if it was before after this but we have the scene where we see Cooper give his wife a kiss [SPEAKER_11]: and then he gets in the car with the president and hands over the stuff.

[SPEAKER_11]: Does that mean that they're on good terms again? [SPEAKER_11]: It seems to imply that, unless she's playing him, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_11]: I feel like this could go either direction. [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think, Noah? [SPEAKER_07]: I think that they are in good terms because he would not have spent the last 200 in change years trying to find them if he did not still truly love him and want them back because even though they were divorced in the first episode, [SPEAKER_07]: does not really mean that he still is a lot of them though because maybe like in that time because like I said I'm pretty sure this takes place of few years in the past before the Great Ward happens and so in say probably the time to reflect and come to a new state of mind understanding of like the pressure that she was put under the circumstances that they find no definitely not 25 yeah my my guess so some of you guys look at like

[SPEAKER_11]: Well, let's not debate the year because we all have evident like I think that this is probably very very close to the mom's dropping and that seems to be what the show isn't playing But there are other arguments for the year. [SPEAKER_11]: So let's let's not debate the year because there's there's no hard evidence for that.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, so we can go either way. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just I'm just going to say I'm probably two years before the bomb shopping just that's probably what I'm just that's my problem with an estimate and I don't know that will ever get a real confirmation about that either way, but I think that we definitely [SPEAKER_11]: What the the point is more of like did they make up and she was like, okay, give this away and then they were forced to get a divorce for public Like to make things okay visually in the public for her to distance him, but they still love each other and so they did that out of necessity or [SPEAKER_11]: was she playing him and then she was like okay now you get a divorce like there's there's it feels inconclusive to me I think I personally side on the the idea that she is doing the best she can in difficult situation and Cooper finally realized that

[SPEAKER_11]: by her cooperating and getting the cold fusion and giving to him and then both of them agreeing that the right thing to do would be to give it to the president and then her having to distance herself from him later. [SPEAKER_11]: Due to those, that was his actions, maybe the president, the government throws Cooper under the bus, calls him a communist, he gets fired, he has to distance from her so she can keep her job and still maintain her role at Valtek.

[SPEAKER_11]: That's kind of my sense of it, but things could have gone the other way, like maybe she's playing him, maybe she doesn't have the best interest at heart. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, what I took away from it was that he does not fully trust her, but he, but he trusts her more than he did actually going into Vegas when he was, so he went to Vegas obviously simply just to get to Mr. House and figure out what was happening.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then whatever he got to drunk, when the bed called her a monster, he had the idea, he was at the lowest point in the relationship probably, and then her actually helping him recover the [SPEAKER_07]: Like Alpin recover the Dio and actually handing it over to him to give to the president then he probably did gain a lot of trust back with her, but it's probably like about a half way point between where he, like, when they were, at the very beginning of the show, how he actually felt towards her versus what just happened before.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it's probably a half way point where he still built, like trying to rebuild the trying to rebuild the trust back up with each other again. [SPEAKER_07]: He is thankful because he sees that what she's under that she is He's alluding towards the on-clave and that the on-clave is watching her and the on-clave is pulling the strings of power behind the scenes for nobody can really see that And then he so that's why he goes to the representative and he is thinking okay my wife is actually helping me do the right thing So me right she is a good person after all and then they probably did get a divorce later on [SPEAKER_07]: Like you said purely just for public relations reasons because we're going to know and somebody's going to rattle about the fact that some technology is stolen and then well guess who was the only person that went up to actually see Mr. House right they're going to have to throw he's going to have to throw him under the bus in order to save herself in her career and all of that yeah that totally makes sense and that's why he's no longer a bullboy right right yeah yeah Adam's job you have some thoughts on this

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so I 100% agree with you Robots of the reason why they're doing it and what the fall out and it's going to be with them due to public relations reasons and you can tell that he still loves her because throughout the entire series he doesn't say I'm looking for only my daughter. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_11]: He's a family looking for every time. [SPEAKER_11]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: So I think it definitely the divorce was definitely for show and it definitely would have not looked good on her if she were to have stayed with him because she could have lost her spot in the company and the vault.

[SPEAKER_11]: Right, which wouldn't have been able, she wouldn't have been a protector daughter, then, yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Which also means that she didn't plan for the bombs to drop when they did, as we see in the very first episode, because Cooper was with Jeannie, right? [SPEAKER_11]: And my guess is Cooper was able to get Jeannie back to a vault to back to her mom, but because Cooper is now ostracized and seen as a communist, he was not led in.

[SPEAKER_11]: and that's why he had to stay out on the surface. [SPEAKER_11]: It all kind of, that part all comes together for me. [SPEAKER_07]: So, I do have a quick question about this though. [SPEAKER_07]: If they were sure, why doesn't Cooper know exactly which a fault that they're in though? [SPEAKER_11]: And because he probably had to hand her off and then she was whisked away in a vehicle or helicopter or something.

[SPEAKER_07]: And maybe, yeah, but they lost her on time. [SPEAKER_07]: Because he did say that he was, he did look inside of executive faults that were up and Oregon. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe that was a original plan, but they had to go with them. [SPEAKER_07]: The backup plan going to the Las Vegas, the Las Vegas complex instead because they can get to Oregon.

[SPEAKER_11]: Maybe he went to Las Vegas first, but couldn't get in or couldn't even feel like he seems to not fully understand where the vault is. [SPEAKER_11]: He just thinks there's one in Vegas. [SPEAKER_11]: So maybe that was a try and couldn't find it. [SPEAKER_11]: So we had to try others just to see if they were there.

[SPEAKER_11]: Pumpkin? [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I think we also need to point out who's playing the president. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, [SPEAKER_11]: All right, well, I want to get to, let's finish this.

[SPEAKER_11]: This is kind of jump to head a little bit. [SPEAKER_11]: Let's talk about Lucy opening up and finding the main frame and the head, the representative's head as the main frame. [SPEAKER_11]: We talked about this a little bit. [SPEAKER_11]: Any final thoughts about this is it seems in the previews that the head twitches, so the head is still alive, but it's not in a jar, pumpkin, what do you think is going on with this?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I want to specify the parallel that tapping because tapping at the same time that the rule is trying to get into the Lucky 38. [SPEAKER_03]: It's happening side by side. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's jumping from scene one at time to them back and forth. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: And it happens at the same time that the rule kind of powers everything up.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I will talk about that. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's like the last bit of the episode. [SPEAKER_03]: It's going ahead and wait while we're there. [SPEAKER_03]: So go ahead. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yes, the well, the Google turns on Valky-38 using the cold fusion and Mr. House appears on the screen at the exact same time that Lucy opens the mainframe finding the head on the table with tubes sticking out of it.

[SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Both reveals happening simultaneously and with the device on her head that House put on his head in the flashback with Cooper in House's office. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of just parallels that would happen here, like where it was the power or on where he's powering it on as she's opening the door and they both have the same just like the quote unquote same discovery at the same time of guess what there's a giant head on the screen and oh look ahead on the table right now do you think because she has the device that house was had on his head which seems to be the same device that he has on his well messed up body with the left of his body in New Vegas

[SPEAKER_11]: that that means that she is connected to house or vault tech was connected to house or house got a deal from vault tech in order to share that tech with them. [SPEAKER_11]: It seems to imply something along those lines. [SPEAKER_11]: And also, Rombus was the, yeah, the other character that the president voiced.

[SPEAKER_11]: Thank you for that, Void. [SPEAKER_11]: Any thoughts on this? [SPEAKER_11]: I feel like there's something there. [SPEAKER_11]: I feel like there's some sort of kept with this in words yet. [SPEAKER_11]: This is one of those things that's gonna dawn on me in a day or two in the episode's up and I'm like, [SPEAKER_11]: I'll have to talk about it next week.

[SPEAKER_11]: But there's some connection, like her role is she unclear if is she not? [SPEAKER_11]: Is she connected to house? [SPEAKER_11]: Is she not? [SPEAKER_11]: Why is she in a vault if she's a representative? [SPEAKER_11]: There's something going on there, right? [SPEAKER_11]: There are pieces that we're missing.

[SPEAKER_11]: of this equation and how it actually plays out or was she just taking manipulated by the uncle of the whole time and there are 100% incoats with house and the uncle of putting a very important vault tech vault in new Vegas which was houses backyard or underneath like you see you see how this doesn't quite add up because [SPEAKER_11]: The on-clave and house and Valtec aren't 100% cooperating with each other even though they work together in the and the on-clave is trying to pull each of their strings.

[SPEAKER_11]: Does that make sense? [SPEAKER_11]: Am I saying this clearly? [SPEAKER_11]: I'm proud of what... Am I just rambling? [SPEAKER_11]: Is this nonsense? [SPEAKER_11]: I think your house rambling about a missing example. [SPEAKER_11]: The missing variable I'm pretty sure is the on-clave, the missing character as he puts it in the previous episode.

[SPEAKER_08]: I also had a theory about the head. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, yeah, what's going on with that? [SPEAKER_08]: So is it possible that using the FEV they almost manufacture their own personal goal? [SPEAKER_08]: That's just on a constant drip of not feral. [SPEAKER_08]: See room whatever it is that that's her head the representative say could be I mean they lose She doesn't look off.

[SPEAKER_08]: You see they lose limbs. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, she still she still has her nose Does she not she doesn't look well if I just but that he still has his nose. [SPEAKER_08]: That's true. [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so might my theory about the head [SPEAKER_09]: Is that she was cryogenicly frozen and that Hank figured out that he needed the human element in the machine code right and now she became the She's running her personality construct out of a brain right into the chips wirelessly and basically [SPEAKER_09]: um, because she has a feeding tube in, which is weird, because she doesn't have a body.

[SPEAKER_11]: Is there a feeding tube? [SPEAKER_11]: Let me look at the picture again. [SPEAKER_09]: There's a feeding tube going into her mouth. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Well, it was in her nose. [SPEAKER_11]: Was it in her nose? [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, it may be kind of like an IV rather than something that naturally gets digested by stomach.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Um, but her eyes are pretty much blast over and have cataracts. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: She looks way dead. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: It looks, it's a very interesting looking thing. [SPEAKER_09]: And it does look like she's been there for very long.

[SPEAKER_07]: No one has been out there. [SPEAKER_07]: They're there. [SPEAKER_07]: So he got the data there. [SPEAKER_07]: What if she was a resident of Vol 24 was the, it was the, because Vol 24 was made specifically to test the device. [SPEAKER_07]: So what she was actually [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe maybe yeah, but that device was developed by house and so if all 24 was one of house's vaults where he got to run his experiments Yeah, why would she be there sit us on the out it was in the outside on the outer skirts of the Mojave right But why would she be there because she doesn't work for us you see that's this connection part that I'm missing [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if it was because the Mojave pretty much goes to the border of California and she's a California representative.

[SPEAKER_07]: That might have been the closest to her house. [SPEAKER_07]: And so she might have just privately bought of a slut in the vault. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_07]: and then just de-capped, hit it in, hook up to the machine and use to program everyone else there. [SPEAKER_07]: Right, it became part of the experiment, yeah, maybe.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just throwing some of the else out there, because I was thinking about the sequence of events. [SPEAKER_11]: Right, right, yeah, so I've got a lot of speculation. [SPEAKER_11]: There's some holes, I'm sure somebody's going to comment on this episode and be like, oh, you guys missed this piece and that makes it, I'll make sense.

[SPEAKER_11]: Or we'll find out next week. [SPEAKER_11]: And we're going close to the end of the episode, so here, before we get to your predictions about what's going to happen in the next episode, how this is going to end. [SPEAKER_11]: What did you think about the exits like the, I guess it's the credit scene where pulls out and we see the, the Canadian border with, um, we actually see T-51 power armor in the scene for the first time.

[SPEAKER_11]: We haven't seen that in the show yet. [SPEAKER_11]: You can see it like sitting there. [SPEAKER_11]: And then, uh, you have the, um, the big 51 is what America started calling Canada, which feels way to, uh, way to, I don't know, real at this point in history. [SPEAKER_11]: And he thought's on this, I think it was kind of cool to just see the border as we get to see these little glimpses of places that we don't see very much in the show in the credits.

[SPEAKER_11]: So, so that's fun. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm gonna do your thoughts about this. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's definitely cool. [SPEAKER_03]: It's fun. [SPEAKER_03]: It also helps us give some more context to what's happening in Canada, because that's actually like, we knew a little bit, again, this entire episode gave us a lot more context to what's happening with Canada than we've gotten throughout all the games.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, so like I'm that made me happy just get like what I would it would I found out that she was with Canada was like finally Canada lore Canada lore all right well with time to wrap this up what here's what I'm gonna do We're gonna go to everybody feel free and just like real quickly say like this how you get a hold of me and here's a prediction for the way the season's gonna wrap up and if you don't have a prediction that's fine, but if you have one [SPEAKER_11]: Then shout out you can be as crazy as you want it to be or maybe heck maybe you're gonna nail it on the head But let me know what your prediction is for how this is gonna wrap it up I'm just gonna take it in order on the screen.

[SPEAKER_11]: We'll start with Nova Nova you got some theories probably I'm feeling you're you're a good theory guy, right? [SPEAKER_11]: What do you think? [SPEAKER_11]: Oh my god, you're making me blush now. [SPEAKER_07]: So finish the season out. [SPEAKER_07]: I obviously, we always are going to see the brotherhood come back with their civil war continuing.

[SPEAKER_07]: They're also going to see the season's Legion continuing with their civil war, which just might have different notes. [SPEAKER_07]: That kind of irks me is the fact that two factions are having a civil war at the same time. [SPEAKER_07]: As if this story arrived, we're just [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, well, I can't idea.

[SPEAKER_11]: Let me fill in some gaps here. [SPEAKER_11]: We see in the trailer for next week that the Legion is on the march. [SPEAKER_11]: So yeah, I think, and we haven't seen yet the scene of McColley Culkin stabbing somebody. [SPEAKER_11]: So I think it's very highly implied that that civil war is done.

[SPEAKER_11]: They are now unified under McColley Culkin as the new Caesar. [SPEAKER_11]: And they are now marching to the strip. [SPEAKER_11]: That's, I think, and I think that's going to play into it, so I won't go on about that, but I think that's going to play into it, so I think you might be on something there.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and so they're probably going to have the brotherhood throwing a show outside of New Vegas, same at the same time. [SPEAKER_07]: The Legion probably shows us outside of New Vegas. [SPEAKER_07]: There's going to be a massive battle between both of them, while at the same time, whatever is happening inside of the like 38 with Mr. House and the goal is going to... Oh gosh, whoop.

[SPEAKER_07]: I can't, sorry, it's like your text me randomly. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't remember where's one of which between them is going to [SPEAKER_07]: with them agree to do with them agree because the Google Brots the Diota to to Mr. House is a Mr. House is going to help the Google or the Google is just going to kill Mr. House.

[SPEAKER_07]: We really don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: I hope it's the former though. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, so I have a theory of Mr. House here. [SPEAKER_11]: My theory is to just add onto this a little bit. [SPEAKER_11]: In the conversation he has with Cooper in the past, he mentions that his plan is to preserve himself not physically but by loading his mind into a machine and becoming mechanical, which doesn't coordinate with what happens in New Vegas because we see that his body still alive, right?

[SPEAKER_11]: So my theory here is that that's not a mistake by the writers. [SPEAKER_11]: That's house having layers upon layers of backup plans. [SPEAKER_11]: And he figures out how to maintain his body, which is what we see in the game, [SPEAKER_11]: versions of the game endings working out where he doesn't survive or something happens in the 15 years between the game and the TV show and his body's no longer there but his backup plan is the plan that he told Cooper about downloading his consciousness into his computers and that's the version of house that we're seeing here is that he's no longer physically a person he's just on the scene at this point.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and in the back of Howard that he actually did have within the 30 with and 38 can not just to actually run all the systems, so there's waiting for the additional power from the fusion reactor. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, so I think I think that all kind of works out together. [SPEAKER_11]: So there's some thoughts on that, but yeah, some cool thoughts.

[SPEAKER_11]: I don't know what I would think about that. [SPEAKER_11]: That sounds yeah, that's a pretty good theory. [SPEAKER_11]: Cool, cool, cool. [SPEAKER_11]: All right, uh, low green. [SPEAKER_11]: Thanks for being here. [SPEAKER_11]: That's it. [SPEAKER_11]: He's just like, yeah, it's good. [SPEAKER_05]: It's time to look for that.

[SPEAKER_11]: No, you're fine. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, real quick, you can find me in the discord under Lil Green. [SPEAKER_05]: If you want to see my photography, you can look me up on Instagram, Lil Green on the score of photography. [SPEAKER_05]: That's where you find me. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know a handful of you find me like every month.

[SPEAKER_05]: Hi, thank you very much. [SPEAKER_05]: I appreciate the follows. [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like, oh, I don't like, I feel like we're going to be left with a massive cliffhanger with, uh, [SPEAKER_05]: that involves Vegas and either in pot like in just with all the factions going to war. [SPEAKER_05]: So and not knowing what's going to happen.

[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that's where they're going to leave us. [SPEAKER_11]: But um, the freeze free size is going to get stuck in the middle and yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: So instead of the battle of Hoover Dam is the battle of New Vegas. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: But with everything that's been going on like my little prediction is like, [SPEAKER_05]: They're not choosing a cannon ending to Fallout New Vegas as we know it never happened.

[SPEAKER_05]: Fallout 3 as we know it never happened. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm still standing by that because the player character was never there. [SPEAKER_05]: Because the career became such a legend. [SPEAKER_11]: he's not mentioned right right and and they've talked about this and I've mentioned this before one of the things Todd talked about is I think it was Todd or maybe one of the producers of the show talked about how they didn't want to and then they did this with like other games the other Bethesda games don't fully confirm a specific ending for previous Bethesda fallouts they just kind of take certain elements and move forward with them but they don't do like a full confirmation [SPEAKER_11]: And that seems to be what they're doing with the TV show, too, is they're kind of doing a, like, well, however your version of the events ended, this is a, let's just imagine the career it didn't exist.

[SPEAKER_11]: And this is just kind of the way things worked out in the world. [SPEAKER_11]: So I think you might be on something there, because it does seem to be what they're trying to do. [SPEAKER_11]: And so the more that people try to say, like, well, it's definitely this ending, I don't think that was their intent even if the evidence points towards it.

[SPEAKER_11]: I'm not sure it was their plan would be my guess. [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah, thanks a little green. [SPEAKER_11]: Let's move on to Pumpkin, Pumpkin King. [SPEAKER_11]: Amen. [SPEAKER_11]: Thanks for being here. [SPEAKER_03]: up you're going to find it there you have there's them you know and yet not let's just say what you almost said would not have been a good thing to say on to it yeah yeah don't don't reverse your first letters of your yeah don't don't do that but no you you guys know me as the pumpkin king you guys can always find me in the discord you find me on blue sky we have the blue sky pack in our discord in the robot area discord that you can look through [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I have predictions, any thoughts anything come to mind that hasn't been brought up yet.

[SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I, I do want to just confirm. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: I do firmly believe that we're going to be getting a huge battle in this last episode. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I do think we're going to be seeing some. [SPEAKER_03]: We're definitely going to be seeing a lot of just things happen.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I feel like we're going to get some really big revelations. [SPEAKER_03]: And I have a feeling that things are going to start. [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to see a lot more go happen in the next season, like that of the result of what happens. [SPEAKER_11]: Right, right. [SPEAKER_11]: It's going to be kind of inconclusive, but leading towards the stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get a lot. [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we're going to get a lot of inconclusive results. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: What I'm trying to say? [SPEAKER_11]: A few click hangers. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_11]: Got it. [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: I think you're probably right about that. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Void. [SPEAKER_11]: Thanks for being here. [SPEAKER_11]: You got stuff to share any predictions. [SPEAKER_09]: Um, are we doing our out treasure just predictions. [SPEAKER_11]: We're doing yeah, both to say hey.

[SPEAKER_11]: Hey. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm void. [SPEAKER_11]: This is where you can find me. [SPEAKER_09]: This is my show. [SPEAKER_09]: So go. [SPEAKER_09]: But honestly, my prediction. [SPEAKER_09]: I think that we're going to see both 31s people fall. [SPEAKER_09]: Um, and I think that norm now has a love interest.

[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, so interesting. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, the the girl that he met for get her name. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: The girl. [SPEAKER_09]: And, I mean, I don't think we will see the rule in Lucy reunite. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay. [SPEAKER_11]: You don't think, oh, interesting. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I guess the question is, does he end up down in the vault and does he unfreeze his family or does something get in the way? [SPEAKER_11]: Because if he goes down there, he probably runs until Lucy. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, interesting. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, maybe.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think you might be right. [SPEAKER_11]: I think there might. [SPEAKER_11]: There's it seems like they're going to need some sort of conflict or friction or barrier to then builds the next season off of right kind of like what Pumpkin was saying there's going to be some sort of cliffhanger there.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, all right, and how can people get a hold of you and listen to your other show. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, hi, my name is Jeremy Geiser. [SPEAKER_09]: I am the host of the Dungeon and Dip Shits I like play D&D podcast. [SPEAKER_09]: You can find us once a month at the end of each month are 14th episod, well, story episode is going up this Saturday.

[SPEAKER_09]: And in the coming months, we have a very large change coming [SPEAKER_09]: We're all pretty excited for cool to say the least cool cool. [SPEAKER_09]: All right. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, well, I think if people haven't listened to your show, they should probably listen to the beginning of the show get into it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Please listen to me. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, listen to them for the live stream. [SPEAKER_09]: You can see my camera zoom in. [SPEAKER_09]: Give me the ad revenue. [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_09]: It all serious this. [SPEAKER_09]: We just love having fun with it. [SPEAKER_09]: It's not about the money at this point.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yep. [SPEAKER_11]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_11]: Well, thanks for being here. [SPEAKER_11]: Era. [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you for joining us again. [SPEAKER_11]: Do you have any theories or speculation to share? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh well, like I said before, that I don't do much any kind of predictions on anything I don't like to watch trailers.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sure, that's fair. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it would be late and see what happens. [SPEAKER_04]: But I guess it's obviously something that we don't expect and like somebody's on a different side or something like this. [SPEAKER_04]: Something shocking revealing and also like cliffhanger to have something to wait for from the [SPEAKER_11]: the next season sounds spot on that sounds like the most likely prediction so far yes yes yes yes awesome are do you want to share ways people get a hold of you well i'm on the discord ira under or moody that's pretty much it haven't been active much but [SPEAKER_11]: You're on there.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yep. [SPEAKER_04]: I can't be. [SPEAKER_11]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_11]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_11]: Well, thanks for joining us again. [SPEAKER_11]: Bracchio Dreamer Ash. [SPEAKER_11]: Thanks for joining us. [SPEAKER_11]: Also, how can people get hold of you and do you have any predictions? [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, I'm on the discord, you know, and Bracchio, Dreamer, Ash, I'm happy to discuss.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can always DM me, whatever, um, don't really have anything else going on. [SPEAKER_00]: As for predictions, I think there's just too much going on to get like an accurate, or at least semi, accurate prediction of what could happen. [SPEAKER_00]: There's just, [SPEAKER_11]: There's just a lot of variables.

[SPEAKER_11]: There are a lot of variables. [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of variables. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just look forward to what's going to happen next. [SPEAKER_11]: Nice, that's fair enough. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_11]: Well, thank you for joining us. [SPEAKER_11]: Adam's child, do you have any predictions?

[SPEAKER_11]: And how could people get ahold of you? [SPEAKER_08]: Hello, my name is Adam's child. [SPEAKER_08]: You can find me on the Robots Radio Discord at Adam's child. [SPEAKER_08]: And you can find me on Instagram at underscore. [SPEAKER_08]: JT underscore Sims with two M's. [SPEAKER_08]: My prediction for the ending is.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't have a big extravaganza ending in mind but I do look forward to and I'm also not looking forward to the reunion of Cooper with his family because I'm sure his family will not recognize him as a goal and and either it is going to be a horrifying moment or [SPEAKER_08]: Perhaps they didn't end up making it in time, but still got in, so maybe they are also gullified and we get a reunion like we didn't fall out for with the gullified family.

[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, and Janey's like a little gull all yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, or she wakes up and goes, and then punches him in the face and runs away. [SPEAKER_11]: Come on, Ster. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, or he becomes a glowing one. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, he's got that, yeah, the reanim in his stomach.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I definitely think he's going to be a glowing one next season. [SPEAKER_11]: That seems that seems like a fun one. [SPEAKER_11]: All right, thank you for joining us. [SPEAKER_11]: And then Remi, Remi jumped in too. [SPEAKER_11]: Welcome. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm so glad you're able to make it.

[SPEAKER_11]: And do you have any thoughts or ways people can get a hold of you? [SPEAKER_06]: Well, on the discord, I am simply Remi. [SPEAKER_06]: Xbox, I play 76 at Remy Riot, as far as my thoughts, I'm thinking, I'm thinking something's going to be happening with, we're all in pins and needles here, we're in Lucy and Hank.

[SPEAKER_11]: Regarding in the trailer in the trailer, we see them talking with each other again. [SPEAKER_11]: And it doesn't look like Hank is restrained. [SPEAKER_11]: Did you notice that? [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Do you think that means I noticed I noticed that I don't remember if if she happened to grab his dial.

[SPEAKER_06]: Because he he mentioned how when he [SPEAKER_06]: depending on the frequency that the dial was turned. [SPEAKER_06]: It made the more docile, or it made them, [SPEAKER_06]: remember. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm kind of wondering if that gets destroyed or if he turns it the other way and they all remember and things go chaotic.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: I think this is an interesting point. [SPEAKER_06]: I hadn't thought about that. [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like things might get a little hectic. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: And add to the chaos. [SPEAKER_11]: The legional attack, the brotherhood of the attack. [SPEAKER_06]: There's death on still and then everyone's going to write.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then, of course, with Ron Perlman, the previous episode, now we know that the super mutants are up and about. [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, yeah, I think I think this is something that's going to be, is it kind of hinted at? [SPEAKER_11]: But who maybe super mutants show up at the strip, too? [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe you're under some reason.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's good show up. [SPEAKER_06]: Gosh, we could see the official introduction of the Enclave. [SPEAKER_06]: And then also, [SPEAKER_06]: My theory with Cooper's family is that they may not be in their cryopods. [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, I think that they didn't show their faces. [SPEAKER_11]: So I think that this is one of those other faces.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's kind of like when someone dies and you don't show their dead body, they're probably alive. [SPEAKER_06]: One of them could be, Jamie could be Barb, may even be in hers, but I feel like Hank may have [SPEAKER_11]: or done something with them before yeah before Lucy showed that'd be a dark twist yeah interesting oh you brought some thoughts ahead and consider now we have to think about these things some more but thank you thank you for joining us thank you everybody for being here this has been super fun I will be back next week with a regular episode [SPEAKER_11]: finishing the season, summing it up and kind of clarifying some of the other little details.

[SPEAKER_11]: I obviously have some questions still. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm sure lots of people do. [SPEAKER_11]: And so if you have some thoughts on this, join us on the discord. [SPEAKER_11]: The spoilers channel on the discord has been flooded with people like, oh, I think this will happen. [SPEAKER_11]: Or I think this will happen.

[SPEAKER_11]: I think this will happen. [SPEAKER_11]: And I've been chiming into and I'm like, well, if that happens, then how do you explain this? [SPEAKER_11]: And what about this thing? [SPEAKER_11]: And we're all trying to figure it out. [SPEAKER_11]: So I would love to have everybody's responses and reactions to the way this [SPEAKER_11]: actually finishes and who knows maybe speculations for the next season because it's already being green lit there are obviously going to do it and the show has been a huge success so far so thank you everybody for being here.

[SPEAKER_11]: Thank you chat for chiming in. [SPEAKER_11]: Love all the comments and you guys being a part of these patron episodes because we stream them live and that's going to do it for this week. [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you everyone and we will see you next time. [SPEAKER_11]: But wait, before you go, no film, no thrill.

[SPEAKER_11]: I wanted to get some thoughts in. [SPEAKER_11]: He couldn't make it to the show. [SPEAKER_11]: So here you go. [SPEAKER_01]: I just have to say, wow, wow. [SPEAKER_01]: This episode had so many WTF moments. [SPEAKER_01]: I had to write them down just to know where to start. [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I want to say what was the person in the highlight for me was that how seems to be alive.

[SPEAKER_01]: When we had the production episode in September or August last year, we talked a little bit about this. [SPEAKER_01]: It seems I was kind of right, ish on that one. [SPEAKER_01]: And other things that really had me screaming at 6 o'clock in the morning in Germany, in front of Malepopos at Clancy Brown, [SPEAKER_01]: who was the voice of Paladin Rambos in the first fallout played the president and Cooper gave the coach to the president and it is he and Clave, I think he has to be and Clave, then Congresswoman Welch, the living computer, this was wild.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we can now say it's confirmed that Taliyos is becoming a centaur. [SPEAKER_01]: I loved the scene with Maximus the Golden Taliyos, it was so hilarious, it was so funny. [SPEAKER_01]: His arm fell out for it was like, oh, I think I have a medical episode of something like this, it was great.

[SPEAKER_01]: What where Steph came from and I think we have seen why she's so hardcore and Is this this was interesting as so because this at a whole new dimension to her personality. [SPEAKER_01]: I think and I'm beginning asking if you might see if she Like comes around [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes, maybe if she like pivots from right now she looks like a pure villain, but maybe she applied pivots from that little bit in the future It was well, it was a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was an amazing episode. [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wait for the next episode to drop what I also like is and I mean it's [SPEAKER_01]: pretty clear how Hank manipulates Lucy, but you could see in the episode how Lucy also manipulates Hank back how he used his weakness that he wants to become a family again to get him to tell a lot of the things of his operation, how he does things and how things would have to be done.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was amazing. [SPEAKER_01]: I really liked the Lucy plot line in this episode. [SPEAKER_11]: To plug into everything else we're doing, check out robotsradio.net, reach out to me on Twitter at robots underscore radio, check out the robots radio rocket club where you can join me and a bunch of our other creators creating your podcasts starting a new podcast or helping your current podcasts grow.

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