Fantasy Football Waiver Wire Week 5: Top Pickups, FAAB Bids, Drops & Streamers (Ep. 2241)

0:01 Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm Alfredo Brown, joined by Jake Seeley and Pat Fitzmaurice. We're talking week five waiver wire, gents. And well, much like the rest of the waiver wire weeks, it's not a pretty one. But that means that we need to be more vigilant as we go through the waiver wire here. And we need to take a look at the players that we have available to us. And guys, let's just start this off with the big name of the week, because this is going to be something to watch. The waiver wire ad of the week. We're looking at potentially Will Shipley running back for the Philadelphia Eagles, but this is going to be one to take note of because Tank Bigsby leaves this game with what seems to be a semi-serious injury.

0:41 Pat, you wrote.

0:42 Down Will Shipley as one of your guys for this week. How are you feeling about this one going forward?

0:49 I guess it all depends.

0:50 We're going to have to follow the injuries on this one, Alfredo, because we had Saquon Barkley leave the Rams. Eagles came early with a hamstring injury, and then Tank Bigsby would seem to be the first in line, at least on early downs, to take that work. And Will Shipley may be more of a passing down guy, but then Tank Bigsby went down with some sort of injury. Couldn't tell whether it was groin or hip. But he was having a hard time getting off the turf. It's hard to imagine him being ready for week five. So Will Shipley could have this backfield largely to himself this week. And, you know, Shipley's interesting. Sort of an early declare guy from Clemson. Good, versatile skill set.

1:34 Running, catching.

1:36 He was a super athlete in high school, like a track and lacrosse star.

1:39 So.

1:40 We might be looking at a 20 touch game for Will Shipley, but there are some concerns here, too, because the Eagles offensive line has been bad and that offense has not been clicking.

1:49 Eagles fans are already losing. They're already calling for Sirianni to get fired again. It's happening early this year. Normally that's like week eight talk. We're doing it here week four. Jake, I know that we have to wait and see what's going on with the injury with Tank Bigsby. Is your top waiver wire at Will Shipley or is there anyone else that you might consider here?

2:07 It is if the Tank Bigsby thing is that serious. I think they called it abdomen. And so that was kind of what was going on. But we've seen players that seem super serious and they're back out the next week. And then we've seen ones where it's like, you know, it should be only like a maybe day to day. And then it's all of a sudden two weeks later, Jalen Coker.

2:23 By the way.

2:24 So like there's all these concerns that like it might be. But I think the biggest picture, let's take it as in there is no Tank Bigsby. Yeah, Liz Shipley will be the number one, but I put him in the same bucket as the conversation we had last week with Braylon Allen is that volume is going to offset it.

2:36 He's got the Jaguars this week, which I think is why we're going to probably know pretty soon on Tank Bisbee because they have to make the trip and whether or not he's even healthy enough to go through all that. But you're talking about volume against the Jaguars defense who have one of the better rush EPA defenses actually just have a good defense. I don't need to tell anybody that.

2:52 So I think what we got out of Braylon Allen this week would be pretty much what I would expect for Will Shipley. They'd probably add somebody off the street. Actually, maybe call up Jaden Blue is on their practice squad, by the way, for all those blue truthers out there. But I think Shipley would be like, hey, you know, 15 plus touches against the Jaguars. RB2, but we're not super excited about it. Everything Will said is kind of like what I would echo, but as in he's kind of slightly above average running back. I don't think he's going to really move the needle for this team and like fix their offense, that being said.

3:22 Yeah, we just saw Chase Brown come off a performance where he had 10 yards rushing here. But he also had 10 catches. So maybe we see some sort of a Will Shipley 11 catches. Excuse me. Yeah, numbers, not my forte. I just I just watch football. That's all I do here. Guys, we're gonna keep talking more about some of these running backs, wide receivers, all the top waiver wire ads of the week. But before we do that, you watching, listening, if you want a chance to win the ultimate symbol of fantasy glory, the fantasy football championship belt, courtesy of our good friends at Trophy Smack, the number one destination for epic fantasy football hardware. then this is your moment. This massive gold-plated belt is built to make

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4:19 Both the Chiefs and Panthers are going to be on a buy week here in week five. There's going to be the Ken Walker manager that's looking for a replacement to the Chuba Hubbard manager looking for a replacement. And I mean, Panthers looking pretty good, but we're going to have to find a lot of replacements here. So let's start with the running backs, the top running back ads. Jake, I'll start with you on this one.

4:38 I know we talked about.

4:38 Will Shipley here a little bit. Anyone else that you think might be a good running back ad or you want to expand a little more on Shipley and Bigsby?

4:47 Good?

4:47 I like how you stuck on that word there for a second.

4:51 Good?

4:52 I think that's the question. I think, yeah, the tank Bigsby, we'll have to shake at. If it was, let's take the other side of it real quick because we didn't really spend a lot of time on it, but if Bigsby is okay, I would expect him to lead, but I would compare this to the Steelers before Dowdall got hurt, is that it should be Dowdall slash Warren, as in kind of the early down Dowdall, Warren and passing it, but they'll be pretty close in a 50-50, maybe 55-45, but the game script could change it. which is why it would probably be frustrating on that side alone. I mean, outside of the names we've already talked about, unfortunately, one of the ones while we're recording, I think, is the most intriguing is Kendrick Miller because I think he's the one,

5:26 if you look at this list, Keaton Mitchell of Timeshare, Chris Rodriguez, we know who he is, Caleb Johnson of Marshall & Lloyd, if Chris Brooks is hurt, maybe if you're super desperate, all of a sudden it's down to two instead of three. But the biggest one here, if you look down this list, who doesn't need an injury to really have value, Is Kendrick Miller coming out of the game tonight? Would it be a shock to anybody if he led 55-45 and they just kept Kamara in the role that he was in? I think that's why it's worth taking a flyer. So if you're on one of those leagues like Yahoo, where if you can drop somebody who hasn't played that was on your bench or has played that's on your bench that you didn't use,

5:59 I would absolutely stash Miller before that game happens tonight. You could be throwing him right back onto the waivers come Wednesday. But this list is a lot of names that are just kind of like, yeah, I want to see an injury before I really get super excited.

6:11 That's what I had to say. Is there anyone that's good to add for your team? Pat, would Kendrick Miller be the next guy up for you in the running back position here, especially because we have that Monday night game coming up here?

6:26 I think we'll know more on Monday night, and it's going to be a really good test for Kendrick Miller because you figure he might get some run on the early downs, and it's going to be Kamara having the passing down work to himself. Falcons have actually been really tough against the run so far. They have been a total pass funnel. Teams are throwing on the Falcons like 72.8% of the time this year because they've had trouble running.

6:48 So if Kendra Miller is able to do any business on the ground against the Falcons tonight, that's a pretty good sign that he might be a worthwhile add now that Travis Etienne is on IR. Let me just add two more names real quick, Alfredo.

7:04 What?

7:04 One is a not-in-my-league-bro type of guy, but we should mention that Emmanuel Wilson is only rostered in 49% of Yahoo leagues right now. He had 20 carries for, what, 81 yards and a touchdown yesterday, and with Judarian Price on injured reserve, if Emmanuel Wilson is available on waivers in any league, he's going to be a popular ad this week for sure.

7:26 The other guy, all.

7:28 Right, so Jake and I, I believe, favored Ollie Gordon over Jalen Wright last week. And that looks good after Ollie Gordon has the 100-yard rushing day, has the big 50, what, 53-yard run early in the second half, and then was kind of the clear lead guy the rest of the way after that. Jalen Wright actually started in that game.

7:50 Jalen Wright, five carries for seven yards against a really good Minnesota run defense. So you would think maybe, oh, now it's open and shut case. Ollie Gordon is the guy. But it's been really ambiguous recently. Ever since last year, who was the true number two behind Devon Achan, whether it was Jalen Wright or Ollie Gordon? I think that might still be a fluid situation, despite what we saw last week with Ollie Gordon seemingly seizing command of that backfield.

8:18 And I think Jalen Wright is still a worthwhile add, still only rostered in 32 percent of Yahoo!

8:23 League's.

8:24 Holly Gordon now pretty widely.

8:25 I think the big thing for both those running backs is that it's not just trying to figure out who's going to be the guy for three or four games. They had the whole season here. So we're probably going to see some ups and downs with both of these running backs. Holly Gordon, not known to be the explosive guy making long runs or being the pass catcher out of the backfield. So Jalen Wright could see a little bit more work here for the Dolphins. Guys, anyone else on this running back list here? I'm going to throw some names at you. If there's anyone else, Keaton Mitchell, Chris Rodriguez, Caleb Johnson. Are any of those guys interest you in the waiver wire this week, Jake?

8:53 Like I said, Caleb Johnson from Desperate. I mean, Kate Mitchell has the standalone RB3 flex value that we thought he would when we thought that it might just be the two of them under Mike McDaniel and that he's done this before. And now that it's a full-blown committee, by the way, for everybody that didn't really check or watch that game, it wasn't even 50% of the touches for Hampton. It wasn't like he got 50 and Mitchell and Vidal got 50. It was a full-blown everybody got touches, and Mitchell was right there alongside of him. I don't even know if the final count might have been one more for Mitchell or somewhere around there. But yeah, so there you go. So, you know, if you're desperate, like

9:26 the only reason I bring up Caleb Johnson is because, like I said, I go back to the Chris Brooks and I'm not super excited by Caleb Johnson. I'm not super excited by Marshall Lloyd at this point. But, you know, if you want to take the chance on the highest upside and maybe because Brooks is out, you get Caleb Johnson to get 50 percent of that work. Then sure.

9:42 And I, you know, on the Emmanuel Wilson side of things, he's like, yeah, not my league, but also I think that you might be one more week before Charbonnet is back anyway. So that's kind of why I'm not super excited for Emmanuel Wilson.

9:55 You know, I just want to pause really quick on the Amarion Hampton and the Chargers backfield there. Is Hampton at any point here, Pat, a buy low? Or is this like we are fully afraid of the Chargers backfield?

10:09 And there was a drive late in that game where Hampton looked pretty good as sort of the lead guy. I do worry a little bit that Joe Ault, their right tackle, left with a neck injury of some sort. And they were already having issues in the middle of that offensive line. If Ault has gone for any length of time, I just want to avoid this backfield. And as Jake said, I believe the snap counts for those three backs were Keaton Mitchell, 26, O'Marion Hampton, 25, Kamani Vidal, 25.

10:36 So that is as sticky a web as can be for trying to chase the right Chargers back. Just to add on Caleb Johnson real quick, so the good news, bad news for him was that the Packers went out last week in a panic and signed three offensive guards, Lakin Tomlinson, Mekhi Becton, Kevin Zeitler. Tomlinson and Becton played.

10:57 Their running game was actually a little better. I think they averaged four yards per carry, over four yards per carry against the Buccaneers, who are always pretty tough against the run. The bad news for Caleb Johnson, he lost a fumble last Near the Buccaneers goal line when the Packers were trying to pad their lead, make it a two score game rather than one score game. So he kind of put the team in jeopardy a little bit there.

11:19 You wonder if he might get thrown into fumble jail for that. But then again, Marshawn Lloyd. Has lost fumbles this year, too, so it's hard to penalize one.

11:27 And not the other. I know he was catching some passes. He had his one play where he jumped over a defender, but running the ball has looked rough for Marshawn Lloyd here early in the season. So there may be an opportunity for another running back to take over there.

11:43 It has before we move off the running backs. What, what do you guys think we should be recommending people bid on Shipley or any of these?

11:51 Oh yeah.

11:52 The fab recommendation for, for Shipley, like are we assuming no tank Bigsby? And like, that's the other thing, like the Barkley I'm assuming is multiple weeks. But again, this is another one. We haven't got the MRI to know if like, oh, okay. It's going to be week to week and he might be back in two or three.

12:08 So just like, I'll go Fitz. I'll say four, and there's no Bigsby on Shipley. I think you're going to have to go into the 30s.

12:17 Yeah, that's not having the full information on Barkley or Bigsby. Right now, we're recommending a range of 11 to 23.

12:26 Yeah, I guess desperate people are desperate right now.

12:31 I actually have a bid sitting for Will Shipley in a league of mine for exactly 23. I think I'll have to up it now after this. But yeah, coming up for Will Shipley, Jacksonville, Carolina, Dallas. Could be a lot of pass-heavy game script there for Will Shipley in the coming weeks with a decent floor running the ball if Tank Bigsby and Saquon Barkley are both out. So I like the Fab recommendation there.

12:54 Was that on Flex, Alfredo?

12:57 No, no, no, no.

13:02 Is there any other running back this week you'd be willing to bid double-digit dollars on?

13:07 No. Unless we find out Kendrick Miller tonight. That's exactly it. Yeah. We'd have to see that Kendrick Miller has like a. Yeah.

13:16 Miller is in play.

13:17 And if you were really desperate and it's a deep league and there's just not a lot on waivers and Jalen Wright is floating out there, I might be willing to go 11 or 12 and just plunk him on my bench until maybe something changes in that.

13:28 Yeah. I'm letting my dolphins bias hit me right now. All right. We're going to, we're going to move on to, no, no, we're good. What do you want to say?

13:37 Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, and I'm, you know, I was kind of the Ollie Gordon guy, but I recognize that that might not, it's not a static situation.

13:48 It's just gross, man. The timeshares on a bad offense just always just kind of gives me the ick.

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14:33 All right, Jens, let's go to the wide receiver ads here. Pat, why don't you kick us off? Who is your top wide receiver ad for this week?

14:41 I think it's Keon Coleman, a player that a lot of fantasy managers have left for dead over the last couple of years. The former 33rd overall pick of the draft, a player that I think a lot of people thought the Bills made a mistake on trading back, letting some other wide receivers go in the first round of that draft, and then taking Coleman at the top of the second.

15:02 But Sometimes receivers take the more traditional path to success. Back in the Stone Ages, when I started playing fantasy football, it was widely presumed that you didn't expect a receiver to pop until the second or third year. And Keon Coleman, two really bad years. But, you know, Devontae Adams had two pretty mediocre years to start his NFL career. Fewer than 500 receiving yards in each of Devontae's first two years.

15:31 Really drop-prone. early with Green Bay. And Devontae Adams just went over 13,000 yards for his career on Sunday. And he's maybe an example that we should give these guys grace sometimes early in their career. So Keon Coleman really popped yesterday, goes over 100 yards, has a touchdown for the Bills. DJ Moore re-injures the shoulder that he first injured in what, week two? So Keon Coleman might be the top outside receiver now for Josh Allen. and the Buffalo Bills. Coleman was good in college. He made some phenomenal catches at Florida State. Just true highlight reel stuff.

16:13 Not super fast, but fast enough that the Florida State Seminoles had him returning punts in his first year. And I think at the combine where they do that drill, the gauntlet drill, where they're running sideline to sideline and catching balls thrown at him from either side, I think Keon Coleman had the fastest time running that drill of any receiver in his class.

16:32 So He's an interesting player.

16:35 I wouldn't break the bank to get him, but I think he's the top wide receiver ad this week.

16:39 Year three breakout for Keon Coleman is not, we just had a year 10 breakout for Kalief Raymond. This is, this is child's play here. Year three breakout.

16:47 Yeah.

16:48 I remember that used to be the rule for wide receivers, right? It's just like, oh, they're not going to do much rookie year. Second year, they get better. Third year is when they really break out. And here we are, Keon Coleman. Jake, how do you feel about Keon Coleman? And do you have maybe a different top wide receiver ad for this week?

17:02 Yeah, I do have a different one because I feel the same that I felt back here in Coleman. Like when he came out of Florida State, I actually said he could be the best of Kenny Galladay and the worst of Kenny Galladay. But that kind of gives you the ideas. Everything that Fitz said, yeah, it was great.

17:15 But he also does that against nobody. That's the biggest thing is like, I just don't, he doesn't separate. He doesn't get the space. And I don't know that he's a great fit for consistency in this offense. And that's what it comes down to is that the reason I was so in on DJ Moore is is because I felt like he fit perfectly for that big slot who can still separate. And that's the one aspect of somebody I trust with Josh Allen. I don't trust Shakir. I don't trust Coleman. I don't trust the consistency of Kincaid from week to week because Josh Allen doesn't need to force it. Now there'll be games, obviously, where Keon Coleman does pop. And I'm not saying not go after him.

17:47 He would be inside my top five overall. But he'd be behind a wide receiver that I'm going to go a different area. And I know it's been a complete mess for this team. It's been gross. The one thing that is starting to finally happen is Trey Harris that we talked about last year. And a lot of people were like, they drafted him. We were like, oh, they found their ex. They don't need to rely on Quentin Johnston anymore. They can just move on from that pick.

18:09 That's a bust, which still looks like everything that we hoped could possibly happen this offseason. He's still a bust. But Trey Harris is hitting. Trey Harris just led this team. Well, I put that in quotes, led the team in receiving yesterday. as what people thought he could be an X wide receiver. That's a really good compliment next to Ladd McConkie, but unfortunately Ladd McConkie is hurt. But that's why I go for it is the fact that if they're going to get anything out of this offense and that Trey Harris, if not for having the injuries and missing most of his rookie season and not really able to catch on, this was somebody that was thought of pretty highly as second rounder last year. And that everybody's like, they got

18:42 their answer and they got their answer in the second round. And now it's okay. Well, he missed a lot of time and Quinn shot. No, He's taking the job. He might even be the one going forward if Ladman Conkey can't stay healthy. And again, I know this offense is a mess, but I would just take Trey Harris on a messy Chargers versus Keon Coleman for what only might be two weeks anyway, because apparently DJ Moore is only week to week at worst. So I know it's frustrating for DJ Moore owners because I don't want to deal with this for the rest of the season is that this shoulder is going to have another issue every single week.

19:10 But I would take Harris over Coleman.

19:13 So coming up, I mean, these guys feel very similar as well. Keon Coleman tough matchup going up against the Rams this next week and then Trey Harris which would have been a tough matchup if Pat Sertan was in going up against the Denver Broncos but still a tough defense here both these guys have pretty tough matchups coming up so let's talk fab then what are we we both both you guys said like I don't really want to break the bank but what's the idea here of what you would spend on him Jake how about you give us your fab recommendation for Trey Harris and Pat yours for.

19:40 Keon Coleman So you mentioned part of it being the schedule. The other part of the schedule is we're starting to hit buys. So I might be slightly more aggressive. But for both, I mean, the same range for both, maybe an extra dollar or two on Harris, but probably like if I'm doing Harris, I'm probably eight to 13 max.

19:57 If I'm going after Keon Coleman, I'm probably more like a six to 11 or 12. So you can see it there. It's still, I'm not breaking the bank. I might go double digits if I'm needy and in a deeper league. But after everything I just waxed so poetically about Trey Harris is that I'm still not going crazy for either one.

20:13 That's fair. Pat, what about you with Keon Coleman?

20:16 Yeah, Jake read my mind on Keon 6 to 11. I think that's the right range. Can we talk about the guy who might be a better ad for week five?

20:25 Dante Myers.

20:28 This is so interesting to me because if there's no Jamar Chase and there's no Tee Higgins, this might be the guy that your league mates aren't even looking at because everyone's rushing out to grab Tyreek Hill and Keon Coleman and some of the bigger names that they know. But then Dante Myers might actually be the best add of all of them, Pat.

20:46 Which is understandable that people wouldn't know a lot about this guy since he was a zero-star college recruit who played at Presbyterian College in Delta State. failed a tryout with the Falcons, kept working to try to get himself into football, signed a futures contract with the Saskatchewan Rough Riders of the CFL after having to pay $ 100 to try out for the Rough Riders, and was on the CFL Rough Riders practice squad for a year. Came up in 2025, had a 1,000-yard season for a team that won the Grey Cup, the championship. Someone in the Bengals scouting department noticed him. The Bengals gave him a futures contract.

21:25 He was terrific in training camp, and they decided to release Charlie Jones, their incumbent kick returner, to give Dante Myers that job. And now Myers is contributing as a receiver, too. He's probably going to be their number one receiver this week. Like, Jamar Chase got wrenched down on that ugly play by the face mask and has a concussion now. Who knows if there are any neck issues, too. Tee Higgins with this adductor injury, which is what? Is that groin, hip, abdomen?

21:51 I don't know.

21:52 I don't.

21:54 I dropped out of medical school, so I don't know what a doctor is. Yeah, it seems like Dante Myers. Plus, they had Andre Yosevash on IR. They had rookie Colby Young on IR. This team is out of wide receivers right now. It's basically Mitch Tinsley and Dante Myers. And Dante Myers was sort of the man of the hour in week four. So they've got a matchup against the Dolphins, who might have the worst secondary in the league this week.

22:21 I think Dante Myers is.

22:22 going to be like inside my top 30 at wide receiver this week in the rankings.

22:27 That was going to be my question for Jake here is if you do end up picking up Dante Myers, you're obviously desperate at receiver. And if you're picking him up and he does have this opportunity without Higgins and Chase, do you start him? Where do you rank him? What is he for you in your lineup going up against the Dolphins this week?

22:42 I won't be that aggressive. That's all on Fitz for that one, mostly because they did bring in Mitch Tinsley. They brought him back and If you saw late in that game, which I know you guys did, is that Chase Brown, the reason he had 11 for 11 is because they started using him as a wide receiver with Samaje Pirine in the backfield. I think this is just going to come down to what the Rams do. We're going to see Mike Kosicki be the biggest benefactor, in my opinion, that he turns into the one or the two.

23:06 But you see like Hudson involved and Sample involved and maybe Eric All. And like, it's just going to be like a lot of tight ends. Did this Bryson Tremaine. Like I just, I don't want to chase– like it's a great story. Like it is.

23:19 And I hope I'm wrong.

23:20 Like I really do because it's such a good story. But I just look at Donde Myers and I did not scout him in 2023. Emery Hunt did because he scouts like 8,000 people.

23:30 Yeah.

23:32 And he– for somebody like Emery who also loves, loves small school and no-name people and he had him as like his 36th slot receiver. And I know there's been time and he's worked really hard and he looked good in the CFL. I'm going to take his, and maybe he would have him today, 15th slot receiver, which still means I don't know that I'm going to ask a lot of somebody who's a great story, not a great talent.

23:56 So again, I hope I'm wrong. I hope you're right, Fitz, because it would just be such a fun story. But I'm going to let somebody else even spend money on him. If I got him for $ 0, cool. But I don't know that he would even get into my lineup. I'm not going to be inside the top 30 or 35 wide receiver forum.

24:09 For all my enthusiasm about Dante Myers in this week's waiver article, my recommended bid range is $ 2 to $ 4.

24:17 I mean, crazier things have happened. Speaking of crazy things, guys, look at that transition. Tyreek Hill thinking he's ready for some colder weather. And I have gotten this question already at least six times within the same game day of week four here. Should I drop X player for Tyreek Hill, who is now 48 percent rostered in sleeper leagues? Fitz, how are we doing here with Tyreek Hill? Is this someone that you want to actively pursue? And if you are, what are you throwing down for him?

24:48 So it would be great if he was coming in this week. Well, next week after the Chiefs get off their bye with Rishi Rice.

24:55 Go ahead, Jake.

24:58 I'm sorry to jump into your answer, but it legit came through as you asked the question. I don't know if this was on purpose, Alfredo. Adam Schefter, developing. Rosenhaus says that Tyreek Hill is going to be negotiating a deal with teams within the next few days.

25:11 Wow.

25:11 So there you go.

25:12 Continue, folks. I did see here that one of the teams that has contacted Tyreek Hill and his agent, the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah.

25:19 So reunited in an offense he knows, going back to Andy Reid, and he did have 4,000-yard receiving seasons over a five-year stretch before going on to Miami and being even better there in his first two years, but had that terrible knee injury week four of last year. Torn ACL, no specs on the other ligament, Ligaments damaged, but apparently other ligaments were torn, dislocated his knee.

25:44 It was pretty gruesome.

25:46 Supposedly he's targeting a November return, but I think it would be a leap of faith to assume that's going to be November 1st. It could be after we've carved our Thanksgiving turkeys.

25:56 That he is back. So Chiefs kind of need him now.

26:00 We saw Taequann Thornton's foot go in a bad direction last week. He's done for the season. We saw the Chiefs lose Rishi Rice to a hamstring injury. early in that game. So, they're down to what?

26:13 Xavier Worthy? Jalen Royals? Not sure what else.

26:17 Is it Cyrus Allen time?

26:18 Cyrus Allen? Finally the unveiling?

26:22 Yeah, like, he's just not going to give the team immediate help. We don't know if at age 32 coming off this horrible knee injury. I mean, an old guy can still produce.

26:31 We've seen it.

26:32 I'll mention Devonta Adams again, but I think the worst injury Devonta Adams has ever had is turf toe. He has not had a reconstructed knee. So, Boy, I mean, he's another two to four dollar guy only in a league where you have that roster. If you're someone who likes to turn the bottom of the roster, he is not for you because you would have to grab him and sit on him for probably one to two months.

26:55 That's the thing here, I think, with Tyreek is that a lot of people are going to run out to add him and they're going to find out that he's not ready to play for another four to five weeks and then they're just going to drop him anyways. And it becomes just a waste of a roster move here. Jake, anything you want to add to the Tyreek Hill stuff?

27:09 I mean, you left out the other wide receiver they have, Iniko Romigio. So, you know, that's a fun name to say.

27:14 I'm so sorry. I'm so unprofessional.

27:17 Romigio.

27:18 Like Rufio?

27:18 I know.

27:19 Moving on. It's a good pull.

27:21 Like, here's why.

27:23 Like, I'm saying yes to Tyreek Hill because of what you started this with, Alfredo. You said, I've been asked blank times already. I've been asked a multitude of times, even last week when this rumor first started floating out. The biggest thing is what Fitz said is that it sounded like, hopes to get out there by november which is like okay why are we doing this if hopes to get out there by november but you bring up the knee the reason i say yes is because you throw some money on them probably have to go into the double digits because of the excitement but that's why it's because if i could pick him up for even 12 bucks and he signs with the chiefs on friday and people start wondering like oh does that mean that

27:59 he could potentially come back after their buy You're going to be able to flip them in a trade immediately. And that's what would be my move is to immediately flip them and sell high because the excitement– this is similar to Cyrus Allen in the beginning of the season before they even hit. It's like all this excitement for rookies, the excitement for these names. It's like the excitement takes over the reality and that's where you could get the value in Tyreek Hillsby. And we'll pick him up essentially for free. I say that in quotes because of how much fab you have to spend. But be able to turn him into something that's actually going to be usable before November.

28:27 Well, if we're going to make room for all these players we want to add, we're going to have to drop some players. Sorry to say it, but it's the dirty part of fantasy football. Before we get to that. Everybody, I want to talk to you about the Fantasy Pros waiver planner. You take the guesswork out of your waiver wire, get a complete customized waiver wire plan for every single league, including suggested fab bids, a backup option in case your top targets are taken. Once your plan is set, you can submit your waiver claims to most major league sites with just one click. Save time, stay prepared, and maximize your chances of landing safely. the players that your team needs.

28:59 Build your personalized waiver plan today at fantasypros.com slash plan. That's fantasypros.com slash plan. All right, gents, let's do a keep or cut rapid fire segment here. I got some names. We'll go by position here. And you guys tell me keep or cut. Let's start here with J.K. Dobbins, the running back 48 on the year, averaging just under five half PPR points per game. Keep or cut, Pat?

29:24 I'm going to say keep.

29:25 I think the Broncos offense is going to improve and there might be more meat on the bone for Dobbins, but I don't want to be starting him every week. I think he's a decent enough fourth running back.

29:38 Keep.

29:38 It's a split backfield, but if something were to happen to RJ Harvey tomorrow yeah you know we volume reliant so he's he's clear in that aspect.

29:46 Well we're gonna have a theme here because there's some other split backfields next one up Tajay Spears running back 63 on the season he does have a role in the passing game we are seeing that he's getting snaps but it's a lot of empty calories it would seem Jake Keep or cut, Tajay Spears.

30:01 Yeah, you can move on and shallow leagues. I really want, and I've been saying this the entire time, nothing to do with the Titans outside of stashing Colonel Tate on my bench. And we finally got the Colonel Tate game, but I don't know if you can even put him in your lineup next week, given the matchup. So yeah, look, Tony Pollard needed 8 billion Dutchess and a touchdown to save his day because it was so inefficient. I want nothing to do with this team. Agreed.

30:21 Cut.

30:22 All right. Last running back on here, Pat. I'm sorry I do this to you. Marshawn Lloyd, Green Bay Packers. Running back 45 on the year, averaging five and a half points per game, roughly. He did look good on the ground. He did catch some passes and made a few plays here and there. The Packers coaching staff does seem to still have confidence in him. Are you keeping or cutting?

30:42 I'm going to say keep.

30:43 We still have no word on the fate of Josh Jacobs and how long he's going to be on the commissioner's exempt list. We don't know about the Chris Brooks injury, which maybe winnows this down to a two-man backfield with Lloyd and... caleb johnson so i say for now you keep.

30:58 Him deuces see you like i said i said see you later last week i'm still saying see you later i know i brought up the chris brooks thing but like of all these running backs and i'm gonna have i think like i already looked like 13 or 14 in my waiver article because i try to go super super deep lloyd is still at the tail end of it and he's behind caleb johnson just because of how bad it's looked you brought it up all the hope that we had marshall lloyd could look like pre-injury marshall lloyd That's out the window. He's 80% pre-injury Marshawn Lloyd.

31:28 It's bad. I think just as a fantasy manager, I always like to ask myself, do I have a possibility of starting this guy in any given week? What is the best case scenario in which I start this player? And if I tell myself it's probably not happening, then cool. I think it's time for me to cut bait.

31:43 He is a tourniquet for those 14 bye weeks when you have two of your running backs injured.

31:49 Don't forget, we still have six team bye weeks because the NFL can't figure that out.

31:53 I know. This is true.

31:54 Eight, four game weeks. It's so easy. Stop messing with us.

31:59 Jake, you should write a letter.

32:01 I have.

32:01 A strongly written letter.

32:03 Strongly. Dear Mr. NFL. Mr.

32:08 NFL.

32:08 That's the commissioner's name. Let's go to wide receiver here. We got some interesting names. Let's go with last week's darling right off the top rope here. Khalif Raymond, wide receiver 27 in fantasy, but then this past week, two targets, two catches, six yards. Granted, it was with Tyson Bajet, and maybe that's not what we see for the rest of the season, but this is so fantasy football. As soon as everyone buys into the Khalif Raymond 10th year breakout, Ben Johnson's like, no, that's you idiots. Jake, how do we feel about Khalif Raymond?

32:40 I picked him up in my home league and started him, and I'm going to send him right back to the waivers. You can cut him.

32:44 Because here's the thing.

32:45 You bring it up. It was Bajent. If you watch that game, this is what we wanted the Bears to be. Target Adunze, Burden, Loveland, and that's it. Like, okay, cool. If you need Raymond on desperation, the biggest thing, too, is, and that's against, like, the Jets aren't an amazing defense, but it was a good enough defense for me to sit there and watch that game and say, you know what?

33:04 That offensive line looks good. A thousand times better than the first of the first three games. And the thing that Raymond was benefiting from is that there was no time and he was the escape valve. So if this team is starting to gel, also on defense question mark, if it's starting to gel all around and you're getting some time in the pocket, like we saw the game that we expected the Bears to be. And I think you can throw Raymond back in, which just means, as you said, Alfredo, you know what's happening next week. Kalief Raymond, seven catches, 90 yards and a touchdown incoming.

33:31 Well, I was going to say, we got some very beatable secondaries coming up. Green Bay Packers and the Atlanta Falcons, likely without AJ Terrell as well. So, Pat, Kalief Raymond, is he a keeper cut?

33:40 I agree.

33:41 You can cut him. He's good of his weeks. You just can't ever start him comfortably.

33:45 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that was kind of always the case. We just finally bought in. Let's go to some bigger names here that it's going to feel weird to have on this list, but we have to have the talk, boys and girls. Courtland Sutton, wide receiver 102. Holy jump scare. It's October. I looked this up and I just could not believe 3.3 fantasy half PPR points per game. Wide receiver, 102. Pat, you keeping or cutting?

34:09 I would have said cut, but Pat Bryant got carted off with a leg injury yesterday. So he's number two, back to being number two on an offense that I think is going to be better going forward. So I'm going to keep Cortland Sutton for now. I, you are, you're incredibly right. I just think it's so funny that we're at the point where it's like, well, you know, Pat Bryant's gone, so now maybe we're going to get some more Courtland Sutton. It's just this is where we are, man, five weeks in.

34:36 Jake, how about you?

34:38 Copy-paste, exact same thing. It's just he was gone. I actually caught him in a few leagues last week, but Pat Bryant would maybe just go stash him just in case. But we knew Courtland Sutton was touchdown and bigger play reliant. It's just we weren't expecting it to be this bad.

34:52 All right, this next one is a twofer. We're talking about Aaron Rodgers' favorite new receiver on the Pittsburgh Steelers here, Michael Pittman Jr., currently wide receiver at 94 in fantasy points per game. Are you cutting Michael Pittman Jr. a keeping? And then one of the hot trending players right now to add on waivers is also Roman Wilson. I think Jeremy Bernard is another guy to consider here, but how do we feel about this Steelers wide receiver room, Jacob?

35:20 Yeah, I would actually make the switch, though. I'm not expecting this to be continued. You said earlier in the show, I forget which player you say like you're holding. Oh, the Dolphins bias. And maybe this is me holding on to my Roman Wilson bias of the fact that like I liked him as a player and I have liked him as a player. He got the offseason. But let me make this clear. He got the offseason buzz. You guys saw it. Everybody did. And even I was like at this point, I was like, yeah, I'm kind of over it. I've done this. Like I've tried to root for Roman Wilson. I've tried to like him. But I've heard this before. But everything was like, oh, he's having the best camp. He looks great and everything like that.

35:50 And then last week, he had that pass that went through his hands that led to an interception, essentially benched, which I thought like, that's it. He's done. Aaron Rodgers hates his guts. And Mike McCarthy benched him. And then we come right out from the gate. And who is Aaron Rodgers going to nonstop to start the game is Roman Wilson. Do I expect this to be consistent every single week? Absolutely not, because it's Aaron Rodgers. I don't expect Aaron Rodgers to be a top 10 quarterback every single week. That's two weeks in a row, which is a bit shocking. But I will say that Michael Pittman's time looks like it's done. I would make this swap.

36:23 Roman Wilson will not make my top five, but he in the top five wide receivers, if only receivers only, I'm Ron Burgundy, then yeah, he might be there. He might be like fifth.

36:33 Oh my, the Colts have the chance to do the funniest thing. Just trade a day three draft pick for Michael Pittman to get him back onto the roster.

36:40 They have Darius Slayton now. They don't need him.

36:44 Yeah, yeah. Said no one ever. Pat, how do we feel about the Steelers situation?

36:50 Agree on getting rid of Pittman.

36:51 I just, I'm not enthusiastic about Roman Wilson because the Steelers had 71 offensive snaps against the Browns. Roman Wilson played 22 of them. He was fourth on routes in the team behind Jeremy Bernard. and Roman Wilson is kind of primarily a slot guy. They spent a day to pick on Jeremy Bernard is primarily a slot guy. Just, you know, Wilson will have his moments, but again, a guy, I don't think you can ever feel comfortable starting.

37:17 All right. We've got three more wide receiver names here. We'll run through these pretty fast. Quinton Johnston, wide receiver for the Los Angeles Chargers. Pat, I think we kind of gave this answer earlier, but I just want to reaffirm for everybody. That's a, that's a thumbs down for you. Audio folks, Pat won't even give him words. Jake, how about you?

37:35 Two weeks ago, Quentin Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Brian Thomas. I am not picking any of them up, even Brian Thomas and Marvin Harrison coming off. By the way, Marvin Harrison decreased in snaps, even though he caught that touchdown on his one giant reception against the Giants, by the way. No, don't go back to any of them.

37:51 So that leads me to the next guy, Marvin Harrison Jr. Sounds like he's a cut for you and just leave him off.

37:55 He already was. Let somebody else go pick him up off that game.

37:58 It was great that he shushed everyone. He gave everyone the shush after he had the touchdown catch early in that game. And then he was hushed the rest of the game and didn't have another pass.

38:07 He shushed himself.

38:09 Yeah.

38:09 I want to see Marvin Harrison go somewhere else, man. I really do. I think he could be good on the Raiders, perhaps, at least like in fit-wise, him and Fernando Mendoza.

38:19 Chiefs.

38:20 Chiefs. I mean, there's teams that need people.

38:24 Go to fifth first on the last one while I grab this bone from the dogs.

38:29 Last receiver here, Chris Godwin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We've been seeing more Ted Hurst. We know Jalen McMillan is out, but the Bucs offense just looks rough. I know we knew this was going to be the possibility with Jalen Daniels. He was an undrafted quarterback coming out of Kansas. Turnovers were a plenty. Running was a plenty. Not a lot of passing success there, Pat. So Chris Godwin, keep or cut?

38:50 Not a favorable environment, and I just don't think he's the same guy he was before that gruesome ankle injury in 2024 he had.

39:00 We're potentially looking here at reportedly seven weeks of no Baker Mayfield as well, which is kind of nuts.

39:06 Yeah, but I'd– so you go to Cortland Sutton. I'd start him over Cortland Sutton against the Cowboys this week because at least the one thing that we did see is Daniels treating like a safety valve. The veteran over the middle that like needs to be like– again, I'm not super excited about it. But going back to Cortland Sutton, which we were both so hesitant to do versus Godwin against the Dallas Cowboys secondary on a short week, I'd take that just to give you a comparison. This is down the list, but I would keep Godwin over a Sutton.

39:33 Last guy on here, Kenyon Sadiq tied in for the New York Jets. We've seen the ups, we've seen the downs, we've seen him with and without Adonai Mitchell. Jake, are you keeping Kenyon Sadiq on your roster after picking him up?

39:43 Yes, 100%. To go back to the snap count for Roman Wilson, I think that was the entire snap count for the offense of the Jets. That was just as bad as it could possibly get. And I know Adonai Mitchell could be back this week, but if he's going to be playing through the hand-thumb thing with a wrap or whatever, you saw the upside of Sadiq and we saw it. It's just what happens. These are tight ends.

40:02 I did this on my podcast three weeks ago. I said, understand tight ends outside of the elites, you're probably going to get 40% really bad games because they're tight ends.

40:11 This is what happens.

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40:58 It's not delivery. It's DiGiorno. Let's move on to the top streamers that can be picked up off the waivers this week. We'll go position by position. Jake, I'll have you start. Fitz, I'll have you go next. Quarterback, Jake, who are you getting as a streamer?

41:15 We got what we wanted from this quarterback. Two excuses. He came in mid-game and then bad weather, but then we got the full Jameis experience. Three touchdowns, two interceptions, everything we want in fantasy because, as I said two weeks ago, You can't have garbage time unless you help create the garbage. And that's what Jameis Winston does. And he gets to face the commander secondary and that defense.

41:35 I know the Colts didn't show up, but that was more of a Daniel Jones thing than anything. I think that the Jameis experience is going to be what the Jameis experience is. And as long as Malik neighbors and hope that that shoulder doesn't scare the crap out of you, as long as that thing holds on against the commanders, he should be in play as a top 15 quarterback.

41:53 Yeah. Bortles Wilson out here creating his or Winston, excuse me, making his own garbage time. Fitz, who are you going with here at quarterback?

42:00 Everyone wrecks the Lions past defense. It's Jacoby Brissett's turn this week.

42:05 Jacoby Brissett kind of remains underrated streamer weekend week out here for the Cardinals. Let's go to tight end. Fitz, I'll have you kick this one off. Who's your tight end streamer this week?

42:14 Jake mentioned him in passing earlier. Mike Gesicki with the Bengals. Troublesome injury situation and wide receiver. Gesicki is going to play an outsized role this week.

42:27 Jake, what about you at tight end?

42:29 I'm going to a situation where they're forced to go one tight end because everybody's hurt. And then Tyler Higby in the matchup for this week. I think if you saw what happened with Higby last week, if this was Parkinson or even Ferguson, people will be going crazy. And if you look at the Rams this week for the matchup situation, it's on top of that as well. I'm chasing the Higby. Again, this is streamer territory, though, as we know.

42:51 And my favorite position to stream every single week is the DST. Jay, kick us off here. Who's the DST that you're looking to start this week?

42:59 So interesting. I said, you know, the Bears sneaky getting like the best young player they trade away. And it's like, hey, our defense is somewhat good, question mark. But the one thing is that they got after the backfield and the quarterback. They got pressure in that game against the Jets. Well, they are surprisingly inside the top 11 for pressuring the quarterback.

43:18 You know who's higher than them at seventh? The Browns going against the Jets. So I'm going to chase the Browns in this matchup. And I think that's surprising, too, because you get rid of Myles Garrett. Oh, by the way, you're still a top 10 pressuring defense. So I'll just go against. And then Gino's been playing good football, but we saw how bad it could be when it's bad.

43:33 When it's bad, it's bad. Fitz, your DST.

43:38 I'm going to go with the Cowboys because they play the Buccaneers. Jalen Daniels, the undrafted rookie free agent quarterback for the Buccaneers, was not a total disaster against the Packers in week four, and yet he threw two interceptions and was sacked three times. It could be worse than that. The Cowboys, not a good defense to this point, but against the undrafted rookie free agent quarterback, I will take my chances with them.

44:04 And then probably the biggest moment of the show here, guys, which kicker are you looking to stream in the coming week that you can grab off waivers? That's all.

44:12 Yeah, Jake does not do kickers, so I'm going to give you one for Jake. Jake would want us to have Cairo Santos because even with backup quarterbacks, the last two weeks the Bears offense has put up 27 and 23 points with backup quarterbacks. Cairo Santos for a team that's going to score a lot of points this week against the Packers, and you know that Ben Johnson is not going to take his foot off the gas against the team he hates. And the other one would be, I'm going to go with Matt Gay of the Raiders.

44:41 The Raiders are averaging 28.8 points a game and have scored at least 26 in all four of their games. And Matt Gay booted his 10th field goal yesterday. So he's been one of the better fantasy kickers so far.

44:54 Here's the only one I know of, and I don't even know how to say his last name. It starts with a Z or something. Like, why don't you ever bring up the Giants? Yeah, like, isn't he like, Like the best rookie start to kicker or something?

45:04 He's like 10 for 10 or something kicking.

45:06 Yeah.

45:07 Kickers matter.

45:08 I don't want the kicker on a Jameis Winston team because he's going to throw those interceptions, that short circuit.

45:13 It's either a touchdown or interception.

45:14 Yeah, exactly.

45:15 It's like there's no in between.

45:17 And by the way, as far as the Matt Gay thing, kicks in New England last week. I even checked the weather for people. Everything looks good in New England. Don't have to worry about a Nor'easter blowing through it.

45:28 There you go. This is Jake's favorite part of the podcast, talking kickers.

45:31 He loves it.

45:32 Talking kickers and weather. Kicker weather.

45:36 All right, guys. This is the time we put a bow on this episode here, and we put in order our top overall waiver wire ads. Jake, who's your number one waiver wire ad for this week?

45:49 Yeah, it goes back to it. Like I'm actually, so I originally said who would be six, but I'm going to combo the first one and actually bring up who would be six, which is the exact sneak preview. It's the exact same one that Fitz has, but the Bigsby Shipley thing. It's Bigsby if we knew he was okay, which it doesn't sound like it will be by the time or we'll know by the time you have to run waivers. So if not, it's Shipley.

46:08 And let's just get the rest of your top five here. You said it's Bigsby and Will Shipley up at the top. Who finishes out that list.

46:14 For Kendra Miller because I'm just going to take the chance that he shows up somewhat tonight even in a 50-50 split and that would be intriguing for me Trey Harris I said that before I would take him but Keon Coleman right after him and then Keaton Mitchell would be fifth because everybody needs running backs and I think the only difference is we have one player that's different in our list between Fitz and I and Harris he doesn't have and the running back I'm like whatever you can have him.

46:38 Yeah, the lists are the same, just a different order here. So Fitz, why don't you give us your top five overall wave of wire ads for the week?

46:44 Well, it's Will Shipley at the top. I'm assuming Tank Bigsby won't play this week. Jalen Wright is actually number two for me. Still think he's a good speculative ad. Keon Coleman, number three. Kendra Miller, number four. He could be number one, depending on how Monday night goes. And then kind of a big drop off to Keaton Mitchell at number five, kind of in any port in a storm running back for people who've got buy issues.

47:08 Well, there you have it, everybody. We gave you our top waiver wire ads going into like five, man. It feels like the season is going so fast, but like still slow at the same time and kind of ridiculous. But if, listen, if after Monday night, you still have more questions about the waiver wire, don't forget. We've got our weekly waiver wire live stream on our YouTube channel where you can come and ask your specific waiver wire questions.

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