Fantasy Football Week 8 Rankings: Best QB & TE Starts, Sits & Sleepers (Ep. 2301)

0:00 What's up, friends, and welcome to Fantasy Pros. This is the Week 8 Quarterback and Tight End Ranks. I'm Chris Welsh. We've got Pat Fitzmaurice and Andrew Erickson here. We're going to be going through the top 12 board for quarterbacks for Week 8, the top 12 tight end board for Week 8, and then we'll sprinkle in a few other names that are going to be floating around there as we get you guys prepared for all of the big lineup questions. If you guys want to follow along with us, you can go to fantasypros.com slash NFL slash rankings. That's where the ECR is, all the experts around the land.

0:29 Submitting their rankings create this expert consensus ranking. It will change. There's still plenty of people to submit there. So there could be some alterations based off of what we talk about. But at least you're going to have a really good baseline. And maybe some of the things that we talk about and, you know, where we think players should be higher, that will end up being the case. So that's what we're going to do. And we're going to jump right into it.

0:49 But if you want to follow along, fantasypros.com slash NFL slash rankings. Gentlemen, let's talk about quarterbacks. You haven't even got to speak yet, but you will in a second because I'm going to give you the big board, the big board on the top 12 quarterbacks. We've got Josh Allen, Drake May, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson being ranked as we are confident in him playing. Trevor Lawrence at five, Dak Prescott at six. The bottom half, we've got Jaden Daniels, Matthew Stafford, Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, Jacoby Brissett, and Jared Goff.

1:15 Let's talk about some back-end quarterback questions because I think the Majority of the guys in the top eight or so are pretty easy. But what about Caleb Williams this week? This is going to be probably a common asked question because of the matchup. Seattle, a one-star matchup, really bad matchup for Caleb Williams against Seattle. He comes in at 10.

1:34 You guys both have him at 11. Erickson, why don't you kick us off here? You haven't pushed him out of a quarterback one yet. but you're kind of getting in and towing that general range. Do you think you're going to be tempted at all when people start to ask you those questions of like, hey, do you like, you know, bop, bop, bop, who's going up against? I mean, I'll just throw a couple out there. Maybe Sam Darnold going up against Chicago. Probably not that one. But Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray, I think that's a prime example. Kyler Murray going up against Detroit versus Caleb Williams going up against Seattle.

2:06 A really bad matchup. You probably have Caleb higher. But do you think there's going to be any temptation of trying to move away from Caleb because of the matchup?

2:15 I do think there's going to be temptation. I think that that is legitimate because the Seahawks defense is, you can't mess around when you have your quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes could do nothing. The Chiefs didn't have a red zone appearance against the Seahawks defense. And I know I talked about Mahomes as a sit on my social short this past week. And then when I'm recording this, I'm like, am I really going to sit Patrick Mahomes in a fantasy team? And yep, Yeah, that's exactly what he should have done. Now, that being said, Caleb Williams is in a different position than Matt Mahomes is. He has way more weapons to work with. He is more mobile, in my opinion, than Patrick Mahomes is at this point in

2:50 his career, even off the hamstring injury. So That's the thing that is your saving grace with Caleb Williams is he can run. So even if the offense isn't producing touchdowns left and right, he can still get there using his legs. He used that a lot in an earlier matchup this year against a really tough defense with Minnesota.

3:05 He uses the legs a lot in that particular matchup. So that's one way that he can bail you out. The bears have extra time to prepare for this matchup 11 days in between games because it's on a Monday night and they played the last Thursday night against the Patriots. So look, It's kind of taking a leap of faith with, look, I get that Mike McDonald and this defense is elite.

3:24 Ben Johnson is also orchestrating an elite offense with this run game with Caleb Williams. So I want to kind of bet on that a little bit more than taking a risk with some of these streamers where Jacoby Brissett, not a good quarterback. I get his matchup is good, but he's not good. Kyler Murray, again, I get the matchup is good, but Caleb Williams, what he did against the Patriots and how elite he looked with those tight window throws is He looked like an absolute superstar. So that's kind of what I'm buying into. And one point that I would like to make about the actual matchup, if you look at the way the Seahawks defense operates, they create a lot of pressure with these four-man rushes.

3:57 They don't do a lot of blitzing. They actually have the second lowest blitz rate in the NFL. Caleb Williams has a 59% success rate against four or lower pass rushers. that is highest in the NFL. He's also scrambled on 12% of those dropbacks against rushers of four or fewer, which is fourth highest in the NFL. So I'm just putting my faith in a really good quarterback, a really good offense with extra time to prepare. And that's what I'm going to keep Caleb Williams in my fantasy QB one rankings.

4:25 So same thing kind of gets thrown at you, Fitzy. I'm just using Kyler Murray as a backdrop of it, but do you think the matchup warrants enough where Caleb shows up at, what was it, quarterback 10, you guys have him at 11, that you might start, if you wanted to play upside, you'd play a guy like Kyler that's going up against Dallas? Or do you think this is the low line, like Caleb is just still such a talented quarterback that you just don't want to mess around, but you just don't have the You know, the confidence in pushing him above other, you know, like contemporary quarterbacks like, you know, the Jaden Daniels and the Dak Prescott. It's like he's just well below them. Where do you sit on Caleb Williams?

5:03 Yeah, I mean, in a neutral matchup, I'd have him like QB five or something. So it's not like I'm not taking the matchup into account. But like Kyler Murray has not succeeded in any matchup really this year. Like he's just been lackluster no matter who he's faced. So, yeah, I'm starting Caleb over guys like that or Kirk Cousins or Baker Mayfield, guys with better matchups. And I know Seattle's giving up 11.6 fantasy points per game and they're allowing 5.2 yards per pass attempt. No other team is allowing fewer than six yards per pass attempt. Seattle's got the second lowest passer rating behind only the Vikings opponent passer rating. That is, they've got as many interceptions as TD passes allowed, eight of each. So but Erickson laid

5:51 it out pretty well. Like the Bears have much better weapons than the Chiefs had against Seattle last week. Caleb's running gives him multiple pass to fantasy value. And unlike Patrick Mahomes, the Bears actually have real offensive tackles. So I think they're a little bit better equipped now. to take on Seattle and maybe negate some of Seattle's awesome personnel.

6:17 There's no denying what a great pass defense Seattle has, but Caleb might be a little more resistant to it than some other quarterbacks.

6:26 Let's talk about Jacoby Brissett. This is quarterback 11. He's a QB1 going up against Dallas. Theoretically great matchup, five-star rating on Fantasy Pros, but this is one of those situations you guys have both bumped him out of a QB1 position. Uh, Fitzy, you've got him at 16. The lowest Erickson's got him at 13. So Fitz, let's start with you. You really don't have a lot of positive vibes around Bursette, not even being a top 15 quarterback this week against Dallas. So, uh, hit a, hit us with the concerns.

6:54 That he's bad. That's my primary concern.

6:58 End of story.

6:59 Erickson? No, go ahead.

7:01 Great in garbage time. Great at compiling garbage time yards, but I never want to count on that. Jacoby Brissett is averaging 5.7 yards per pass attempt and has a undermanned group of wide receivers with Michael Wilson, who's probably badly miscast as a number one, and Kendrick Bourne. who's probably more of a three or four playing a number two receiver. And then, boy, beyond those guys, Simi Fajoko, Devin Duvernay, Reggie Virgil. I mean, Trey McBride is great, but other than that, the weapons are bad. And another minor concern for me, are we going to see Carson back at some point? Like, that's another worry I would have with starting Brissette. Like, what do the Cardinals have to play for at this point?

7:48 Isn't Beck banged up, though? Oh, is he? Yeah. Oh, okay. I've been hearing reports or seeing reports that he has, like, back spasms, which is why he hasn't been suiting up. So I think that risk isn't as prevalent here, but... Obviously, in future matchups, yeah, it's something to consider.

8:07 Yeah, I'd seen the thing about the back spasms a couple weeks ago. I didn't realize he might not be good to go for this game. So, yeah, take that off the table. But the badness for Jacoby Brissett remains.

8:17 Level of badness isn't to 16, but it's to 13. It's not a QB1 for you. What do you want to add, Erickson, on Brissett?

8:24 I'd start him over Kyler Murray, who has also kind of not been good and has also been a good matchup. They're playing in a dome. I like that. Really high game total overall. He was QB 10 last year when he faced the Dallas Cowboys. So I think that you're just kind of betting on the garbage time with Jacoby Brissett.

8:39 The Arizona Cardinals do have a lot of dropbacks overall this season. And we've seen matchups where they're trailing and they throw the ball a ton. So I'm willing to look at Brissett as a streamer this week. I don't know if I like him that more than, like, Kirk Cousins, though, for example. Kirk Cousins leads the NFL in passing touchdowns, right?

8:55 At least he's been good, relatively speaking, whereas Brissette, you're really banking on that second half type of production. But he has done it a couple times this year. He did it against the Lions. So I think that he's on the fringe if you need a spot start.

9:07 Yeah, as much as I dumped on Jacoby Brissette, got him ranked ahead of 12 quarterbacks this week. So, yeah, a matchup with Dallas, that will perfume away a lot of the badness.

9:19 The final one on this list, and then we're going to do one that's not on it. Jared Goff. Jared Goff does another matchup in hell type of situation going up against Minnesota, Caleb and him. This is where you guys have like a different spot. Fitzy, you're on ECR, but Erickson, you've thrown him back. You threw him back down to 17. So I'm going to guess this is like heavily weighted to the matchup. But Jared Goff is not much of a play for you this week, Erickson.

9:45 So last six times that Jared Goff has played a Brian Flores defense since he became the defensive coordinator for the Vikings, his QB finishes have been 15, 31, 11, 23, 23, and 6. The three home games that he has faced, 23, 6, and 15, which puts him at an average of quarterback 15. So that's kind of the range I feel like Goff should be in here. I do want to acknowledge that The Vikings have not faced a offense as good as the Lions thus far this season. Packers, Bears, Bucks, Dolphins, Saints, and Colts have been the schedule that Minnesota has faced.

10:22 The Packers are the best offense, not to discredit the Bears. That game was played in the rain, so it was kind of wonky, and Caleb Williams also got injured. And Jordan Love was QB 11 in week one against the Minnesota Vikings. So I think that's kind of like the tier that you're kind of looking at with Goff. Now, I have a couple of the streaming guys ahead of him just because I do want to acknowledge that maybe this Vikings defense is on another level ahead of those past defenses, but I get the other side of the argument where finds offense is really, really good. So I've had trouble ranking him. I don't think that this is like a ceiling week for him, but I want to say that I know I'm in a league where I

11:00 have to start in this week because I have Brock Brady's my other quarterback and I'm not in a position where, oh, I'm going to drop Jared Goff to pick up Kyler Murray or Jacoby Brissett or Kirk Cousins because I love those guys so much more. I just think that Goff is OK this week. And I think that 15 is kind of his range that is most likely just based on how he's recently performed against this Brian Flores defense.

11:23 But you got him at 12. You got him right at ECR. So is there is there an indifference? Is there kind of like a baseline of, you know, the offensive pieces that they have, regardless of where that defense is throwing at? Like, talk to us about your golf.

11:37 Yeah, that's kind of it, Welsh. As good as the Vikings have been, and my goodness, they're giving up 8.8 fantasy points per game to quarterbacks, far and away the fewest. And they rank number one in almost every pass metric for pass defenses. But yeah, it has been aided by the matchups they've had. And Jordan Love had 387 yards and two touchdowns against them in week one. So like a good quarterback. And the Vikings have not faced many this year. can do damage on them. And yet part of my hope is that the last time the Vikings and the Lions played at Ford Field last season, Jared Goff had 284 yards and two touchdowns. Granted, did not fare as well against the Vikings in Minnesota last year.

12:22 197 passing yards, one touchdown, two interceptions. I think it could go either of those ways for him. And I don't think he's going to have 380 yards like Jordan Love. 284 and two touchdowns. You'd take that all day if you were a Jared Goff investor. But I think part of it is that the Lions have just so many weapons in offense. Jameer Gibbs, Amon Ross St. Brown, Jamison Williams, Sam Laporte. Even for a great defense, keeping the Lions in check is a tall order because of all the skill position talent.

12:52 Jameer Gibbs, Erickson, Jameer Gibbs, touchdown. The last one I want to talk about, this is actually about Erickson here. This is your guys' wildest big difference. And it's more about Erickson's stance. So, Erickson, I want to jump to you on it. Malik Willis is an ECR of 22. Fitzy says, hey, hold my beer. I'll do one spot higher.

13:15 I'll go 21. But Erickson says, no, sir. QB won this week up against New England. You got Malik Willis as your 12th quarterback, Erickson. So what's got you so high on Malik Willis?

13:28 Because our Dolphins quarterback is running, finally, at a consistent level. He has back-to-back games with at least eight carries. And in those games, he has finished as a top 15 fantasy quarterback as a result. You look at the Patriots so far this season, when they have faced mobile quarterbacks. Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen, Caleb Williams all finished as top 12 quarterbacks against the New England Patriots. The rushing is really what I want to buy into when it comes to Malik Willis. He has the league's second highest scramble rate.

13:58 And he has the most scramble rush yards of any quarterback this season. He has the most fantasy points because of scrambling among all players. So it's not that the offense has changed where they're designing rushes for Malik Willis, although they did have a design rush for him at the goal line last week against the New York Jets.

14:14 That's all part of the play here. So I'm just really buying into the mobile upside because when we think about Malik Willis and where he was ranked in season long drafts, he was a popular sleeper for a lot of us because Malik we were waiting for the rushing and it was a little bit up and down to start the season. I know he had that really bad game against the 49ers because they had just been shutting down all rushing quarterbacks. But I think that this mobile mobility is here to stay. And I think that's going to get him a lot of cheap production, especially in a game where if they're trailing, maybe he's throwing the ball a bit more. He's scrambling, picking up yardage with his legs. So that's why I like Malik Willis. He's

14:45 my favorite streamer this week. I take him over Jacob Perced. I take him over Kyler Murray because I'm very confident that he's going to continue to run.

14:52 Fitz, you got him at 21. You're one spot higher. I'm guessing you don't share some of the exact same optimism.

14:59 I just moved him up two spots while Erickson was talking because I do want to be above consensus. I agree with Erickson on pretty much everything. Three touchdown runs. He's run for 37 or more yards in four of his six starts. And Willis hasn't been terrible as a passer either. Not a lot of volume, but he's averaging seven yards per pass attempt. That's a respectable number. And he just got playmaker Caleb Douglas back from an ankle injury, and Douglas is their best receiver.

15:24 All right, we're going to get to our tight ends and the tight end rankings. But before we get back to the show, we want to take a moment to talk about something bigger than football, men's health. This November, we're supporting Movember, the leading charity dedicated to changing the face of men's health. From mental health and suicide prevention to prostate and testicular cancer, Movember is helping raise awareness and fund important programs and research. And here's something worth knowing.

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16:34 Dallas Goddard at four, followed by Colson Loveland at five. We've seen him in God knows how long. Sam Laporta at six. The back half is Dalton Kincaid, Travis Kelsey, TJ Hawkinson, Kyle Pitts, Hunter Henry, and Brenton Strange. Let's talk about Sam Laporta. You guys have some different spots here. He comes in at six. Erickson, you've got him at four, but Fitzy, you've dropped him down to nine. Fitz, let's hit you with Sam Laporta. Disappointing performance. They've got Minnesota.

17:00 You did kind of talk about Goff, and there's just too many good weapons out there. But you've bumped him down to nine, so still relatively startable, but not super, super trustworthy.

17:11 Wait.

17:12 I think we should go to Erickson first on this. I want to know why he's trashing Jared Goff in the rankings, but not Sam LaFleur.

17:20 Okay. I knew this was coming.

17:21 Pivot.

17:22 I knew this was coming. So when Goff finishes QB 15, the last time he faced the Vikings at home— Sam Laporta played in that game and was tight end four on the week, six catches, 97 yards and a touchdown, eight targets. So it is possible for Laporta to still be top five tight end and Goff to still be outside the fantasy QB one territory.

17:41 He came with receipts. All right.

17:42 So that's true. I don't think he's giving Goff full credit for how good he was in that game. QB 15, like 284 and two touchdowns against them. So I feel like he should be more consistent with his rankings of Laporta and Goff. Um, well, But what has been pretty consistent other than that game against LaPorta last year is just that the Vikings smother tight ends. Like last year, eighth fewest fantasy points to tight ends. This year, the fewest fantasy points to tight ends. They've only given up 18 catches to tight ends this year. Every other team has given up at least 25 receptions to tight ends.

18:17 And Minnesota is not allowed a touchdown catch to a tight end this season.

18:21 Do you have anything else, Erickson? I know you were making your point on the Goff thing, but are you covered on Sam Laporta?

18:28 Just really threading the needle, just hoping for an exact replication of last year's matchup between the Buccaneers and the Lions with Laporta as tight end four and Jared Goff as quarterback 15 on the week.

18:37 Erickson is boldly predicting no catches for Jamison Williams and only four for Amin Rasimov.

18:43 He's got it.

18:44 Yeah, I like it. He's got a formula. All right, Dalton Kincaid, ECR 7. Erickson's got him at 7. Fitz, you've got him at 4. High guy on Kincaid. So Fitz, why don't you hit us here going up against Baltimore for Dalton Kincaid?

18:57 It's mostly about not feeling good about many tight ends this week. But the last time we saw Kincaid before the Bills week 7 bye, he had a team high 8 targets and 7 catches against the Raiders. Now, granted, those seven catches netted only 38 yards, but Kincaid also had a touchdown catch nullified by a penalty in that game.

19:16 He was pretty heavily involved, and we're going to see points in Ravens' bills. Vegas' total for that game is 54.5 right now, so I kind of want to be leaning towards optimistic with rankings of Bills and Ravens this week.

19:31 Erickson, you got him at ECR. Do you kind of agree with that team total? Our game total there really plays in favor. Talk to us about Kincaid.

19:41 I think that Fitz made a lot of really great points about just buying into the upside of this particular matchup that could be a shootout. My only question marks are... are, is DJ Moore going to come back or not? Because I think that would eat into Kincaid's nine targets or eight targets that he saw before the Bills went on their bye week. I would expect him to be back, considering they had a full week off and he was close to playing the last time we saw the Bills against the Raiders. And to credit the Ravens defense and Kyle Hamilton... They've allowed the same number of receiving yards to tight ends as the Minnesota Vikings. So it's not as a cupcake matchup that maybe some of the long or season-long numbers would necessarily suggest. That being said, the

20:21 game script is really what kind of put him over the top.

20:25 All right. Next up is Travis Kelsey, who comes in at tight end eight. Fitz, you've got him at seven. Erickson, you've pushed him down. You've pushed a couple of these tight ends down. You got him down at 10 again. Not that you hate or anything like that, but talk to us about the push down. I'm curious. Because I'm trying to look, like, who do you have? Do you have, like, Hawkinson?

20:42 Do you have Pitts above? Who are the guys you have above Kelsey right now?

20:45 I have Hawkinson ahead of him. And I don't know why he's not... Brent Strange should be, like, a locked and loaded tight end to smash this week.

20:52 He's 12. He's 12 on the list. I got him five.

20:55 Oh.

20:55 Like, I'm... Dude, he has been really, really good. He was heating up before the team's bye week. And he's facing the Colts, who have been a sieve against tight ends this season. So... I think Brent Strange is like one of my favorite plays this week. But so he's one of the guys I have ranked against Kelsey. Just Kelsey kind of been middling production wise. Again, the Chiefs passing attack hasn't been that great over the last couple of games. Last three games, he's outside the top 18 and weekly finishes. He's outside the top 10 in terms of targets per game on tight ends. And this has been without Rashi Rice in the lineup. So even though he has been like the de facto number one pass catcher, the Chiefs obviously have been leaning a lot into the

21:30 run game. They did that the first time they faced the Denver Broncos. They ran all over them with Ken Walker in his Chiefs debut. I would expect that after a down game from the rushing attack against Seattle, they get back to the basics with feeding Ken Walker. And although Kelsey had 71 yards in the first game against the Broncos in week one, he only had three catches.

21:49 He was tight end 15 on the week. So I think that he is back end fantasy tight end one. Obviously, if he scores, that's going to change the narrative on him. So that's why I still have him as a fantasy tight end one. But just a couple of guys I like a little bit more.

22:02 But you got him at seven. You got him one spot higher than ECR. Where are you at on Kelsey?

22:06 I just feel like he almost has to see a big target total with all the wide receiver injuries the Chiefs have. He had eight targets against Seattle last week, although just four catches for 44 yards. Kind of a horrible offensive night for the Chiefs generally. And the Broncos gave up the 12th most fantasy points per game last year to tight ends and have allowed the ninth most this year. And Very good against wide receivers, not so good against tight ends. And in two games against the Broncos last season, Travis Kelsey had 14 catches for 127 yards and a touchdown.

22:37 Final one here is Hunter Henry, who comes in at 11. Erickson, you got him at 11. Fitzy's got the low, is the low man on him. But Erickson, let's start with you on your, you've obviously, it's funny because Henry is one spot higher than Strange, but Strange is clearly like your huge play this week. So you've got him a bunch higher than Hunter Henry. But where are you at against Miami? Obviously, we've seen Eli Raritan get more involved.

23:00 But I mean, I don't know. Henry's just kind of a constant. He doesn't belong in the circle of trust of tight ends, but he's definitely in that next crew where like you could be a lot worse off if you're going with Henry. So you got him at 11.

23:11 Yeah, he's a bit more of a matchup dependent because he doesn't have necessarily like the most elite role in the offense, but it's still pretty good. 76% of the snaps, 76% of the routes run. Eli Raritan obviously does sprinkle in as the number two tight end, but outside of A.J. Brown doing nothing with his targets, Hunter Henry's been the guy that's been the most efficient. And remember, he's played with Drake May the longest, dating back to Drake May's rookie year. Hunter Henry has always been a security blanket for his young quarterback. And it's interesting when you're looking at the matchup tool on the rankings, it's a five-star matchup versus the wide receivers, which is zero stars or one star because the production for fantasy has been going

23:48 through tight ends that have faced the Miami dolphins defense this year. Third, most managed points allowed to tight ends. Hunter Henry's coming off a really strong game, caught all seven of his targets for 71 yards, led the team in target chair at 23%. So I get that it may never be a 100-yard game for Hunter Henry, but you know he's got a lot of red zone equity, and I believe the Patriots are going to score points on Miami's defense. So I think Henry, if you pick him off of waivers, if you're just looking for a streaming option this week, I think he's a really good option.

24:19 Fitzy, final bit here. You're kind of the lower man on M14. You just don't have him as a tight end one this week. negative thoughts on Henry or just did it work out that way? Do you have a couple of tight ends that you liked more that were more in the streaming range?

24:32 Yeah, that's kind of it. Mainly the fact that aside from the seven catch game, seven target game against the Bears, Henry has not had more than five targets in a game all season. And I feel like Eli Raritan is kind of moving in on his territory. Like over the last three games, Raritan has averaged four targets and three catches a game. But I, could see the optimistic case for him. Maybe it's another game like the game against the Bears where the Patriots tight ends have more success than the wide receivers because Bears against the Bears, the Patriots receivers didn't do much. And Henry and Raritan both had pretty good games that week. So maybe we see the same sort of thing against Miami.

25:14 All right.

25:14 There you go, friends. Those are your quarterbacks. Those are your tight ends. You guys can drop any comments below on some of your favorite plays at quarterback and tight end. But we got you set for week eight. Make sure you can go back if You happen to jump to this one. We've got the running back episode. We've got the wide receiver episode. And we've got this bad boy, all your week eights that are locked in. Make sure you're also tuned in on the Fantasy Pros YouTube, youtube.com slash fantasypros because we've got some great live streams. We've got Q & As and start and sit stuff throughout the weekend. So just turn on notifications so you don't miss any of those. That is it. That is all we have got. Good luck in week eight for Pat

25:47 Fitzmorris and Andrew Erickson. I'm Chris Welsh. We'll talk to you next time right here on Fantasy Pros.

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