Lanterns Episode 6 Spoilers Review, 2026 Reveals!

0:03 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to the Green Lantern Review Series. This is Episode 6. I am your host, that bat guy, Tresnell. And I'm joined by... I'm joined by nobody. Because as we talked about last week, Taylor's gone for like, uh... Two weeks? Two weeks and a half? Something like that. He's got a nice trip in the family.

0:25 We'll hear all about that when he gets back, I imagine. Right? If he gets back, he'll end up like Hal Jordan. Murdered. He'll have to investigate it. Good God. Who would have killed Taylor? But no, we are here to talk about Episode 6, Green Lanterns, or Lanterns? I think it's Episode 6. Who knows? It's weird. Even tonight, doing the, like, also I do Trastle. Do you do Soul Pulse? But even doing this for a second, I was like looking for my headphones. I was like, oh, I'm not going to need those at all. And I'll check my mic, make sure that's good. But yeah, so tonight we're going to talk about Episode 6. As previously mentioned, Taylor is not here.

0:59 So if you would like to throw in any questions and kind of be my co-host for tonight and likely next week. Go ahead. Anything's open as long as you're respectful. If you're not, I'll just call you out, ban you, and then move on. That's fine. My life's happy enough. I'm not going to stress over anybody being an asshole.

1:15 So we're talking about Lanterns. As usual, it's a full spoilers conversation. So if you've not seen the episode, best to tune out. Or if you don't care, then you're fine to go. But yeah, send in any questions because you guys will steer us on the conversation. And it was quite an interesting episode here. I quite enjoyed it.

1:32 I continue to quite like the show. We are two episodes away. As I've said this before, I know I'm a broken record, but every week we get new people listening, right? And as I've said before, it's just I've never loved anything. Never. It's not like a big deal, right? DCU started last year. It's not like, oh my god. But still, haven't loved anything in the DCU from start to finish. But if these last two episodes can stick the landing, which is I feel always a hard thing to do with these comic book shows now. The difference is it sounds like season two is happening, but still the comic shows like, well, you got to kind of end it here. So you can go into a movie and then you can go into season two. That kind of picks up from stuff. It's,

2:11 it's difficult with some of these connected universe shows, I'd say, right. With Daredevil wasn't as connected because it was his own thing with, um, uh, Watchmen and, you know, miniseries, not as difficult, right. Because like, okay, we're doing our own thing. So with this one, I, I have faith from everything I've seen so far, they're going to stick the landing, but you never know. I thought this was a great episode.

2:32 This is the one we've been waiting for, right? We really have. I think I really have no negatives except for one, which again, do I kind of wrote some bullet points down because I am alone. So I can't have Taylor to steal your conversation for me or like, you know, bounce off each other. But I think there was one big thing, which I talked about last week that I'm still not completely sold on with this storyline and this week they kind of doubled down on it and i went like it works as a as a structure but i don't think it's a strong structure so yeah okay that's a house but can that withstand this or this or this i don't know right and that's where it's something where um what's going on oh i had to turn off i was watching the the football

3:09 game the chiefs and the uh the colts and i had on a little bit like what's going on um So it's something that I still, and I don't think there's any fixing it, which I'll get into in a second, but that was a great episode. This is what we've been waiting for is 2026. I think we got a lot of answers. We got a lot of Easter eggs and we got a lot of setup in a good way.

3:26 Not in a way where it's like, how are they going to finish this all? No, I think next week they're going to clear it the week after. Cause it kind of looks like next week is, I guess we're in spoilers, so we don't got to worry about it next week. We are getting John or how Jordan origin stuff. Right.

3:39 But I wasn't sure if that was going to be, we all figured, And that's how this episode ended, right? We'll start there, because we're not going to talk too much about it. But it ended with John standing over the grave of Hal Jordan. He digs it up, and he has the ring, and he puts in whatever the consciousness is for Hal. And it looks like it's Hal from the 2016 era, right? And then he looks down, and he's like, ah, shit. And he realizes he's dead.

4:07 But that's what was interesting, because at first, obviously I want young I wouldn't be like, oh my god, but I wanted the 2016 Hal, but if they could have got us the, I don't know, whatever, 2000's Hal, like, okay, this could work, you could still tell the origin, but what I'm loving about the setup is it's not, okay, it's just Jon Stewart, you sit down, and the hologram is going to tell you about the origin of Hal Jordan, right?

4:30 It seems like he's going to be beside him, investigating kind of what he was doing last week with the double Hal, so I prefer that way more, and don't get me wrong, I'd be down for a Hal Jordan origin episode, but I prefer it more because it's more back and forth with them. And it also is getting his updated consciousness. Because I'm sure the Hallgram from the 2000s would know some things. But still, this is the, like, I'm guessing, and we found out that he had to handle the ring. Well, I wonder when he did that, right?

4:59 Because he took, like, Stewart took the ring, gave it to the, what the fuck are they? the Guardians, and then I don't think they, like, gave it back to Hal, and be like, here, you can have it for a little bit, then we took it away, right, what we learned, and that's where we got big updates, was, um, so after everything that went down, I'll get into my negative in a second, but after everything that went down, um, Jon Stewart took the ring, he gave it to the Gard, uh, the Gardner, there's, I guess, a Gardner here, but, uh, the Guardians, which, uh, you know, we still know Laura Linney, good, bad, that maybe, I'm, I guess she still could be the big bad. I wonder if it's going to be more of a season two thing. I guess there's still room,

5:41 but I guess it just depends how much of Hal's origin is in that. Because if it's a lot, that could be a 50-50, right? 50% Hal, origin, the 50% 2026 stuff. I don't want to be too rushed, but I don't know. It could be, right? But we found out that Hal, the ring was taken. The Guardians didn't give it back. They kind of decommissioned his ring is what they said. And then they forge a new ring for Guy Gardner, which is very interesting, right? I guess it's because Earth has now grown. Because when Hal got the ring, as we learn, Abin Sur brings the Manhunter.

6:18 Manhunter kills Abin Sur, so the ring needs a master or whatever, or a holder. It goes to a bunch of people. Jon's dad goes to Hal. Yeah, I have no fear. It goes there. He becomes the Green Lantern, right? And as I talked about, they didn't feel there needed to be a lantern for that sector. They didn't feel even the Earth people may be worthy. So it's interesting that it's not, okay, they gave the ring up and I went to go find Guy. It's they decommissioned and went, oh, we still want an Earth, like a human for a green lantern, right? So that's interesting. It's probably just because the stuff that's been happening on Earth has been uptaking, right?

6:48 Like look at even Man of Steel, or not Man of Steel, what a Freudian slip. Look at Superman 2025, right? Of like the big kaiju and most of the people just kind of act like it's a regular day. I imagine that stuff's bumped up, so it's probably like, oh, yeah, this is a dangerous planet now. Or is there dangerous threats?

7:03 And we don't even know what happened in between the 10 years, right? We'll talk about some of the DC references here. But I guess they thought, okay, we want this to happen. So I can't remember where I was going. Oh, right. When did Hal upload himself? Was it... at any point in that season was after he left, John thought, hey, I could die. I'm going to put my, you know, consciousness here. I'm very curious because it is, because I watched not the full thing again, because I actually got cut off. I was going to watch it, but it is the older, gruffer 2016 Hal as the hologram. It's not the old school, hey, John, nice to meet you.

7:39 It's not that, right? So, and I prefer that. So that's where it's like, okay, when... Did he do this? And what information? Obviously, Jon Stewart can give him the information. I feel like the whole room can look at news and feel like it's not a lie or anything. But, yeah, I found that very interesting. I'm looking very forward. I think next week could be the best episode of the series.

7:58 Really could be. And I loved all, because we were talking about that, right? How does Guy have the ring? How does Sal, because that was always the stickler. And I feel like someone screwed up a long way. I can't remember if it was Tom King or Daniel Lindelof. I swear we talked about this. And we talked about this on the Discord as well. We're showing the Discord.

8:13 That sound like one of them said that he had house ring. I guess technically they're not wrong. He did have house ring. He like, it got decommissioned and maybe he took it. Right. And then it's just not powered anymore. Um, so I guess, I don't know if that's something that like, I don't know if that's, Hmm. I'm trying to think where I want to go with that. Like what, what, like if I want to circle back to that, I don't know. I guess we'll say on this is it's interesting as far as when he would record this, what does he know? And same thing with Guy. What were the tests for Guy? Did they just make a ring and throw it out in the ether? And they're like, okay, it's going to go to the next person. Like, we'll see, right?

9:00 And he's a gym teacher, has his own willpower. Or did they also have, they didn't have anyone train him or anything like that, right? And that's where we'll get into in a second because I'll read some comments. But That's where we'll get into Guy Garnett to me. It was actually a huge highlight of this episode, and I will describe why in a second. Let's see. Sura Mike says, great episode, but really annoying me that John's mom still sounds like she was in her 30s despite being at least 70 now. Yeah, I won't say she sounded like she was in her 30s, but she definitely didn't sound like she was in her 70s. I can agree with you there, but yeah, I also agree, great episode. DWS says, it's not the lantern show I would want, but it's

9:34 strong enough that they really can go anywhere they want in season two. Yeah, and I feel like, I don't know, just to prep, because I understand where you're coming from, because we talked about this a lot on the Discord, right, with this show, and it's a good comparison to Resident Evil, because that's where I am with the Resident Evil movie.

9:50 Not to relitigate that, but I'm in a situation where I think it's a well-made movie, I think it's even a great movie, but as a Resident Evil movie, I'm not really jiving with the tone of what they did with it, right? So for me... Excuse me. That's though... I think you need to... If they have season two, which I think they're going to. The numbers are going to be good. And maybe they'll bump their budget a little bit. I always feel like the show is going to be like this, in my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like it's always going to be like...

10:19 There's another... Earth mystery. I don't say they'll never go to space and never go anywhere else, but I feel like they're still going to keep it as more contained and not a huge budget thing. It'll do that with John in the movies, right? DWS will read some of those more comics after because they're more obviously in the spoilers we haven't got to yet, so I'll get there.

10:40 So with Guy, this to me was a huge, huge fucking highlight, right? Because I'm all down for James, because I know some people weren't down for that, and I think people are growing on it or not, But I think people were taken aback because obviously MCU, I guess not taken aback. I guess it's tough to, it depends where you are. I feel like in my circle, when Gunn said, hey, we want to do everything connected, but lots of things are going to be, we want different tones, right?

11:05 So not everything's like MCU where it's like the MCU tone and then a little bit changed up here, right? With Lanterns, with Peacemaker, Superman, with Creature Commandos. we want things to feel different. And honestly, that's been some way that some people have said, hey, it hasn't felt enough different because of the gun-isms, right? But I think with Lanterns and Clayface, we're getting that. What my, a huge issue to me was with Peacemaker Season 2, and you may go, why am I talking about that? Just, you know, buckle up, baby. When we got Lex in there, I got spoilers for that show, if you're not watching that.

11:33 When we got Lex in there, to me, that was not the same Lex that was in Superman 2025. And I had a big problem with that in general. Like, even, we all, I talk about all the time, but that scientist guy they brought in, he was on Lex's team, he had, like, the mustache, the glasses, and, like, the bowl cut, but he was all sexual, he was like, oh, don't touch that keyboard, it's sticky, you know, you might want to walk away, I'm watching something, and I think I might get aroused, it was all like, this fucking sucks, like, this, like, I'm not down for, okay, cool, this guy's like a pervy, and it's not like, sure, you can watch porn, but it's like, he's, in some way, he's gonna masturbate in this office while other people are around, it's like, all right,

12:05 that's fucking lame, I don't even know that, right, and I felt the same way with Lex Luthor, that Which is funny, I think at first people didn't, but I felt like I've heard that a lot more now. That he did not feel the same. And it was odd, because James Gunn fucking wrote that show. That's his show, that's his baby, right? So to me, when he was just, oh, I'm listening to some pirate butt-fucking a mutant, blah, blah, blah.

12:26 It did not feel like Lex Luthor was put into the prison. I could understand he's in prison, he's stressed, but it did not feel like the same character. It felt like it was two different directors and visions, and it wasn't. I guess technically someone else directed that episode, but I still mean, like, Gunn is hands-on with Peacemaker and Superman, right? So for this, what I loved is Giger, and this showed completely, and this is where I still think when people are trying to push it, I don't want the DCU Batman to be Robert Pattinson. This is where I still think you can have, that Batman could still be in this universe that they really want to do, right?

12:56 I don't want that all, let Maurice cook, leave him alone. But if you want to be, oh, it's too serious, it's too dark, it's too different, it's too grounded, that wouldn't work. It's like, no, you can make it work if you adapt well. That would almost make it better to me, right? But I still don't want that. This is something where Guy Garner, very goofy, very chucklehead, very Nathan Fillion having fun ripping. You get him in here.

13:17 He feels exactly like his character, but in this situation. And even toned down a little bit because Hal's dead and John's in prison, so he's not uppity and stuff. But he's still making jokes. He's still cracking stuff. He's still being a complete asshole. I can't remember what the line... Oh, did I write it down? But Nathan Fillion's delivery on this moment... oh yeah, they talk, and we'll talk about what they talk about, but Jon Stewart's like, oh, you're going to help me? And Guy just lets out a laugh.

13:44 He's like, yeah, I'll think about that. Like, it's one of these things where, and I did it no justice, but Nathan's feeling delivery was top tier A class, like fucking douchebag, but also like, oh, he might relent. Like, this is where they looked at the character, they went, okay, whoever it was, writers, directors, showrunners, they looked at the character and went, okay, how can we bring this obnoxious douchebag into this world and make it feel the same, but not derail the show. Because Lex didn't derail the show, but to me he derailed Lex Luthor and what I thought of Lex Luthor. This was an A-class perfection. Like I said, I have no notes. I think they did a wonderful job as far as adapting him into this world,

14:25 but him also having a little more seriousness in his conversations with John was great. And this was their first time meeting. I wasn't sure because they referred to each other by, you know, I guess it's just like army talk went on, but like Gardner, you know, Gardner, Stewart, like I thought they might have met, but they hadn't.

14:43 He revealed that the first time he met Hal also when he was in prison. We're going to get back to that. He was in prison, so they kind of thought, oh, it's kind of funny. You know, just kind of saying like, well, people insinuated, hey, you guys are very different, but you're a lot alike, right? Like you guys, you know, there's more similar than you think. So it's like, okay, I get that. And it's fine. I'm not saying it's negative, but it's fine. Um, and they go back and forth and they talk about like how's dad and he wanted, I guess he told the lawyer he wants to pay his respects and stuff, but he's just there to kind of, you know, just to do a check, but he's not there to investigate. Cause he's like, that won't really look

15:17 good for the brand. You know, that won't look good for the optics of this all, which again, we'll get into probably just after this, but cause that was my biggest problem with the show. Actually this episode, I'd say, I'd say, sorry, I got the fucking hiccups. Of course. Um, someone needs to scare me. Um, And I love their back and forth. It was great. It felt like, man, I actually want to see more of this in Man of Tomorrow. I love this idea. And that's what I love, too, because I was with, we talked about, with Mike a couple weeks ago, and the way I grew up, at least, and I'm, again, not a comics savant, but was multiple human lanterns, right? So at first, when the show was working with the idea of, oh, there's only going to be,

15:54 you know, one, I think we thought we'd get, you know, eventually to multiples, but still, it was like, in the immediate, oh, there's only going to be one lantern, for one ring. It's like, ah, I don't really like that. Now I love the idea of fucking Guy Gardner and Jon Stewart sometimes having to work together, be opposed together, whatever it may be. It's like, you know what? I'm completely, I was already down for this, but I was down for this because I thought they nailed it here. And it's back and forth where there's like an understanding, but it is also, and what summed up great, and it was Aaron Pierre's delivery, was he says, and I'll get there, but he's talking about well, we've got to do something

16:30 for Hal. He was a lantern. We should give him a burial, get him the suit, get him the ring. And he's like, we don't do that. The Green Lanterns don't do that. And he goes, well, he was the first fucking human lantern. We can make the rules and do whatever we want. You've got to get that stuff. He's like, oh, I don't know. And then Stewart's like, oh, you're just scared to go to Ola and ask the guardians for stuff. You don't have the backbone. And then for you, hey, kid, I know what I'm doing here.

16:51 He's being the classic guide guard. They're like a piece of shit, right? Don't tell me how to do my job. And then I can't remember how we exactly get there, but he says he owes him one because if it wasn't for him, you wouldn't have that fucking ring. And that stings guy, right? Because it's almost, to me, we talked about how it's worse than the how and Jon Stewart's dad, because it's like, okay, the ring came to Jon Stewart's dad, but he was still scared and said he couldn't take it, right? For whatever reason, it was no.

17:20 This was like, The guy wasn't even scared. He wasn't even ready. He denied it. It would have been like if the rain came to John's eyes, I'm not scared, but I don't want this. I don't want to be a fucking lantern, right? So that's where, and that's what Stewart did. So when he said that, and Nathan sold that good because Nathan can be a good dramatic actor.

17:36 So he sold that sting good of like, fuck, you got me. I can't say no because I would not be a lantern. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it, especially just because of the circumstances. So I really enjoyed that. their dynamic. It was good at the funeral. He did get the ring. He got that. He said, came to pay his respects. And then he jetted out of there because again, the optics. So that was all good. Even if they announced, Hey, season two is going to be those two. I would be down. You could still have Kyle Chandler back with the, uh, with the ring and the hologram and everything if you want to, but I would be down to see what's going to happen there.

18:10 So my, uh, biggest issue with this, and we talked a little bit about this last week, and you know what? I'm going to take a drink of water, and then we're going to take a nap break, and we'll be right back. If I can find my fucking water. It's pitch black. Can't find it anywhere. Sorry. No tailor, so I don't have time to kill. So, I said this last week, and it's interesting, right? Because I've seen some pushback, because I saw someone that listens to the show, I think they do, or at least they've been a fan of GV for a while, and they were on the side of all that really thought they'd, not did Hal dirty, but it's like, oh, how could I ever cheer for Hal, root for Hal, because he looked really bad light, right?

18:53 I think they were more in the Jon Stewart realm of leaving him in the car, but still, I've seen this push and pull, and me and Taylor talked about this, and it all depends, right? And probably what? Me and Taylor, two white guys, are like, of course, Hal did nothing wrong, but so here's the setup, right? Everything goes down last week.

19:09 He's under the rubble. And then they told us that Hal has been in prison for 10 years. And comments, I'm going to get back just because it's a bit jumbled. So I will definitely touch back on everything. So I see you there. Hal's been in prison for 10 years. He gets out. We'll talk about it when he meets Sean soon in a second. But he went to prison for 10 years. I guess I just... Maybe this is one of these situations where maybe it's opinion-based, but I don't think with the way the show is presenting it that it... To me, they're trying... Not trying. They want you to feel like how Jordan fucked up and he did this really bad thing, right? Um... They have, like I said, he goes to prison for 10 years. All

19:54 the characters talk about the bad optics. They talk about how when he got out of prison, moved to the town, he was going door to door asking random civilians, hey, how can I help you? How can I make your day better? And was usually met with people motherfuckering him or closing the door on him, X, Y, and Z. Um, there was another thing we'll get to Kane in a second.

20:12 There was another thing that had happened, but even when they do the funeral and burial, right. It's just how, um, fuck it's just, it's a house debt. He's in the ground. It's just John Kerry and the other character we'll talk about in a second. Right. Um, That's what I mean. I have a lot of issues with this going on, right?

20:36 You bring up, I just don't understand why Earth put him in prison and not the Guardians in space. Right? Because to me, I just, someone, and I'm not saying this in a bad way, comments after the fact, because I've seen people explain it, but I still go, oh, it's, I think, an opinion base. And to me, it's not an opinion base where, oh, the show put something forward and it wants you to decide was this good or bad.

20:55 The show was telling us what Hal did last week was bad. Whatever those fucking exploder aliens, I know they had a name, What happened is they went to Jon Stewart and said, give us the Manhunter. If you don't give us the Manhunter, we're going to go in there and blow up the entire city. We're going to go in there. We're going to just start killing people. Now, I know some of you might go, oh, well, Hal knew who the Manhunter was and could have just went over, got them, gave them the Manhunter. Clearly, it was not that easy. Now, I did see a good point last week when Hal landed and he had the ring up to the Manhunter's head. Why didn't he just bubble them and fly them? Absolutely, right? But the idea was that

21:30 the Manhunter was hard to catch. Hal just couldn't just catch her, right? So to me, in this situation, let's say they know, okay, we can't get to the Manhunter. We're going to have to try and get in there and get the Manhunter. And if we don't, these other aliens are going to come in, blow everything up. And I'm not saying Hal did everything right, because what was he supposed to do? If Hal, let's say, could get to the Manhunter, his other option would have been, okay, I'm going to sit back, not do anything, And then let these aliens go into town and kill people until they killed everybody? Like, and they just killed random people until they found the Manhunter? Like, I just, I guess I wish they made something more, because the Jon Stewart

22:06 thing I understand. Leaving him in the car, I don't think he intended to kill Jon Stewart, but I understand that. I just don't understand why the entire Earth to the point where I talk about the funeral. No one was there for him. He was at the fucking Harry Potter premiere. He was with Bush, Obama. This should be a death of a hero, right? First human Green Lantern, he's just buried in buttfuck nowhere with nobody. Why? I don't understand.

22:29 Like I said, I'd love someone to break it down. Maybe I'm missing something as far as what he did, right? Because I would understand if it's like, hey, there was a situation. Let's say it was him, the Manhunter, and Stewart, right? And let's say he had a situation or an option to get the Manhunter right there and give her over And maybe he, for his own chagrin, would have been like, you know what, no. I'm taking her in the Guardians.

22:50 It's my fucking catch, whatever. He never said that last episode. He might have intended to go take the Manhunter Zoe up to the Guardians, which he's already talked about, doesn't know he trusts them, but that might have been his intention, right? But he never said, I'm doing this because I'm the fucking Green Lantern, and fuck Earth, and I'm the only one that can do this. I felt like when he went to go talk to the aliens, that were the Exploders, he was trying to find, like, What's the best way I can do minimal damage here, right? But the show has portrayed it to, like, it's his fault. All the townspeople fucking hate him. They spit on his grave. Even the corner that was doing his, like, whatever, the autopsy

23:26 and everything was just like, oh, fuck it. Like, fuck this guy. Let's burn him up and, you know, flush him down the toilet like a fish. Like, completely shitting on him while he's, like, girlfriend and his, like, ex-partner there, right? I wish the show, and even Jon fits away, like, and we talked about it last week where Jon's like, look what the ring made Halle come. Look what it made him do. Yeah. To me, it was just like, I needed a bigger, not the John stuff in the car, for the townspeople. I needed a bigger, how Jordan could have stopped all these people. Because Carrie, when she says, we talk about this, right? When she's pointing the gun, and a bunch of people are going to die if you don't do this. Or if you do this. And

24:01 I was like, I can't accept this answer. I'm going to go do it. Those aliens knew that the Manhunter was in the town. So if he were to take Carrie Kane's advice, say, you know what? You're right. I'm out of here. He takes the ring with him. John has no ring. He takes the ring with him. Those fucking aliens told John, and they clearly did in the episode, they're going to go there and blow everybody up and kill people. So I don't understand what, and he even stopped a couple of those. What was he supposed to do?

24:26 I think he was trying to stop that. So I really, and that's something where, unless I see, because I've seen the whole week and I haven't seen anything, unless I see something in these comments or the show does it or someone explains it to me, I go, okay, I kind of get it. this plot point will stop me from giving it a 10 out of 10. And to me, because it's a big point, it'd be different if, like, oh, this town feels that way, but then, you know, when he had the funeral, people showed up, he's still a hero, which happens all the time in the real world. Like, people make mistakes and then they're still a fucking hero. Like, I'm not trying to get political. Look at George Bush, right?

24:57 If he were to pass away, it'd be a big thing. I'm not saying he's bad with how to, but, like, after he was president, people were like, this guy fucking lied about this, he did this, he did that. He would still get a hero's fucking... funeral journey, right? And see, that's how it's like, wouldn't he, for all the shit he did, they'd give him something going on? So that's why, to me, the show's posing this as whatever he did was so bad that even the entire world is like, fuck Hal Jordan, he did a bad thing. I don't think so. You know, it'd be different if he busts a Sinatra out. Like, I just, it's not really hitting with me, that storyline. I don't think they've earned what they're setting up there, so I just really don't get, yeah,

25:38 same thing, Mike, like, or Guardians disobey him, or lock him up for disobeying orders, it would have made sense, I think the reason they didn't do that, because they want him back on Earth, and who would break him out, right, because then that's a whole other storyline of, like, someone has to break him out, because even then, like, I guess, well, it's how many, one of that guy's property, but, like, he still killed, like, alien terrorists and save people, like, again, I, it's, it's just weak, and that sucks, because so far the show's not been weak on that aspect, right, I think We talked about last week where, yeah, maybe those aliens and the Manhunter stuff, maybe a little underwhelming, but I

26:09 wouldn't say it's completely weak. This, to me, has felt like a little undercooked to the storyline. It feels like, ah, we don't have fully time to get into it, and I just, that's why I still wish we're like, well, like, I guess the funeral could have stayed the same, but it's like, even if he doesn't go to prison, he could have just had no ring, and he decided, hey, because of the carnage, I'm still going to stay in the city and try my best to help it, whatever.

26:33 I got nothing else to do. I'm not a lantern anymore, so I'm going to live in Rushville and help it out. I don't think he needed, like, the prison time and all. It just, I don't know. I just, like, Mike says he could have both gone with Sinatra. I need to find that out, though, right? We need to find out why.

26:48 I feel like they're posing how he's trying to be an upright citizen, right? So if his thing was he got out of jail and then went right to Rushville to help its citizens, that wouldn't really, like, fit with him breaking out, right? It's kind of like This is a deep pull, but X-Men animated series, the first season, Beast gets arrested and he has a chance to break out.

27:07 But he's like, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to serve my sentence. I would never break out, right? So I feel like that's how they're posing Hal. So until we see how Sinestro gets out, Mike, I can't go there yet because I think they're trying to give that certain message with Hal, right? So it's just not something I'm really jiving with. It's not working for the story, and it feels like kind of an anchor again. Not a massive anchor to hurt the show tremendously, but again, enough that it's to me not a perfect show, and that's always going to stick out when I watch these episodes.

27:32 It's the same way. Look at something like The Dark Knight, right? He didn't do this, but when Batman takes credit for, hey, I killed Harvey, I killed all these people, and I'm sure some people are like, oh, he did that to save us. He did this for X, Y, and Z. Maybe Dent was corrupt. But it's posed as, Batman went on killing spree, killed cops, killed the DA, and he, like, you know, even if he made Gotham better, he was a fucking monster that night and fucked the Batman, right?

27:58 I wish they did some of that with Hal, right? Even if it wasn't just a lie. Like, he did, again, do one big move that's like, man, that was a monstrous act. I don't think anything, I think the Jon Stewart thing was the worst in the car, and no one really knows about that, right? Like, that was the thing where it's like, that really fucked it up. You fucking burned this man alive. Like, imagine if He came back to the car and saw Jon Stewart burnt up.

28:19 I know they're not the closest, but I guarantee you just like that certain character said tonight, like, oh, I could tell he liked you. He would have felt heartbroken, right? So again, it just didn't, it did not fully work for me. I just wish there was better writing on that aspect. Maybe it'll fully come around. I don't know, but we'll have to see. So let's go back up a little bit. Let's see. And as we'll talk about the third person here, we got Carol Farris. Throwing Carol in here felt like a bit of a fan service, but hopefully she'll be back in prominent in those Hal flashbacks.

28:47 I don't know. I'd say buckle up again. Only because I'm not saying this is a bad actress. She was fine here. I just felt like, because remember when Laura Linney got cast, lots of people thought she was Carol Farris. There was even some rumors about that, right? To me, if it was a bigger known actress... it would be that she could be in a lot of flashback stuff, or she could even have rolled down the line, because remember, she could go in Sapphire, and you can do stuff, to me, her just being, you know, kind of a, not a throwaway, but a fun, like, oh, this is, you know, for the fans, Carol Farris, Hal Jordan's long love, you know, and has a big history in the comics, her being at the funeral, and not being as upset

29:28 as Carrie Kane, that's fine, because they weren't damned, but, just gives a little backstory on how, to me, this really felt like, we may see Kyle Chandler again, like, i you know you can always resurrect people with flat oh we're not flashbacks with multiverse and magic mumbo jumbo but as we've known from the beginning john stewart's going to be the dcu lantern right to me her being in here is kind of like yeah We're giving you a little Carol Easter egg here because we don't think we're ever going to get back here. Or we really don't have big plans to get back to Hal. And that's fine because Jon Stewart is going to be the mainline lantern. But to me, this was like, hey, we'll never get to her at any other point. So here

30:08 you go. We're not going to get more of Hal. We're not going to get more or we're not going to get her as Sapphire or anything. Here's Carol Ferris to say we did it. And maybe in the past. whether it's the animated show or comic, we can get in that. But right now in the foreseeable future, we don't see that happening. So I don't mind that. Um, I don't mind if there's no plans for him, right?

30:27 If there's no plan, sure. Don't care on there. I still wish we didn't jump to that because I would have loved to get more of how and not necessarily him being dead. But, um, I do love everything that, you know, Aaron Pierce doing as college or as college and Aaron Pierce doing as, uh, um, John Stewart. So I'm, it's not, uh, I think I'd be more bummed if they're handing off this person and it's like, oh, this actor's doing a shit job. They're not caring, right? No, I'll miss Hal Jordan and I'll miss Kyle Shan. I wish we would've got more time with them, but Jon Stewart's gonna be a great lantern, right? So, you know, we will see. Let's go for some more. It feels so obvious that the kid, Noah, took out Hal. I'm

31:01 liking your theory last week more that Sinatra was involved. Yeah, they did. Like, it's a double, right? Because for me, that was Taylor's theory that Noah, the kid, Carrie Kane's kid, did it. And then my theory was Sinestro. I just went Sinestro because I thought that's a great hook for season two, right? Sinestro killed Hal. And to me, both of them got, what is it? Like gasoline or fuel the fires. But if you were to ask me, I do lead towards the Noah thing, right? Because technically they said, hey, Sinestro broke out of prison. That guy Gardner tells us that.

31:40 He broke out of prison. I would have thought Hal did it, but I found out Hal was here. He claims in the bars. So it works, right? Sinestro's broken out, not by Hal. He shows Hal, boom, you're dead. I don't think so, because I feel like that's being used as a red herring. They don't even say it could have been Sinestro. They don't even talk really much about the house killer, right? It was more that Sinestro got out and it could have been Hal, but it wasn't. That, to me, is them trying to make it up. Could be Sinestro. and Noah was so nice, and so kind, and just like, yeah, mom, I didn't really know him, but I knew you were a thing, but that's okay, you know, and then like, oh, I can't show up

32:19 to his funeral, like, I didn't hate the guy, but, you know, he, my dad doesn't like him, and the town's kind of pissed, so I just thought it'd be best, but I hope my mom's okay, it's like, all right, I don't want that, I just like, I get it, they had the cafe scene, John Stewart, shit in one punch he's an old guy who was in prison it's fine you know he had some training i just think the idea of you know how jordan died just some like his girlfriend's son because he's gonna be like oh you're dating a guy that fucked up our city again it'd be way different if the thing hal did to me in my that for me worked as like uh oh yeah how is kind of piece shouldn't deserves it right I'll just say there's a character, Mike might know this,

33:04 there's a character in Boardwalk Empire, right? They get a big ending, and it is that. Not spoiling, but they get a big ending. There's multiple characters. You won't figure out unless you're watching it. And that is the chickens coming home to roost, and it's, oh yeah, you did a shitty thing. Here's your karma. No matter how many years later, here's your fucking karma. Good luck. I guess I just don't feel that, and I think they're trying to make that, so I feel like if it's no one, he.

33:25 Goes, oh, he did this, and I lost my friends, and it's like, and I lost my grandma, it's like, alright, I don't, like, your grandma was a manhunter, maybe doing some bad shit, I don't think Hal really hurt the city, I think no matter what, the city was gonna get fucked up, I don't really buy that, right, so again, that will call them, if it's the Noah thing, it's executed, they gotta execute that.

33:45 Well, if not, I'm, like, probably gonna be, like, around a nine next week for my final rating, I feel like, with just some of these things, because I just, Noah feels like the Zoe thing, where, Oh, Mac and he... He's the Manhunter. It was like the too obvious red herring. To the point where people, when I said it was Zoe, they're like, no, it can't be. It's too obvious, because there's the red herring. She's like the, oh, it's not her.

34:07 I mean, no, it's probably just her. And it was. So I feel that's the way with Noah, right? At first I thought it's an extra, but I'm like, oh, it's like too obvious it's Noah. It's like, eh, it might just be Noah. Sometimes that makes the most sense for the mystery, right? I think the Zoe thing actually did.

34:19 With Noah, I guess it could make sense. I just... just not really interested in, like, Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern coming to an ending because, like, he's mad that he fucked up her town and he's fucking his mom. You know, it's like, alright. I would even more abide if, like, he did something and I guess he got his grandparents dead, right?

34:38 But the dad, right? Like, if the dad was dead, like, imagine if Hal Jordan was directly responsible for his dad dying and now his mom's shacking up with the guy that killed his dad. That would get me more on board. His dad's fine. His dad's walking around kind of being a semi-racist piece of shit. Like, obviously they were talking about him because he's a lantern, but some of the insinuations they were making, it was like, all right. And that's fine. It's a show, right? Like they're, they're definitely, he talks about that, right? Jon Stewart was like, Oh, I'm a black man in Nebraska. And the ladies go like that, that, you know, that's not the issue. It's the first two, which we'll get into for, uh, forget

35:12 some more comics. And I don't want to forget. Um, that's a story like, I don't need this here. Um, when it's, he, his mom, got a call, said he's been talking, she's been talking to Hal Jordan, you know, he's lonely after all this stuff, and they became friends, it's like, wow, okay, I'd actually like to know more about that, says, hey, he wants to say sorry, he's at this cafe, or we go there, he goes there, and of course, first thing, Hal's like, I hope you didn't drive all this way out here for apology, it's like, okay, so they talk a little bit, and they talk about the ring, and everything, and why he gave it up, and, you know, it's good character stuff, and eventually, you know, John Stewart does punch him, And when that happens, how

35:51 Jordan looks up is like, don't tell anyone you're here. Don't tell a single soul you're here. You were never at this cafe. We didn't speak. Whatever. So obviously Hal maybe knew something. That's why my only hope maybe this was Sinestro. Maybe he still found a way to broke Sinestro out. I don't know. Maybe he found a way to trick people. I don't know. But we get introduced to this waitress who when Carrie and John are handcuffed, she gives him a look. Almost like she wants to fuck him, but it's not that. This storyline of, oh, I need $ 314, 000. That's what the damage you did. And that's what you did to me and my family and the businesses. Or I'm going to tell Carrie Kane that you were there. I guess you could. I just don't

36:29 think Carrie's going to buy it all that Jon Stewart did this. So I'm just like, they don't have a tumultuous relationship at all. It'd be different if she called Jon to come check. And it's the only person she knows. And they're kind of like, I don't really want to be here. And I don't really want to be around you.

36:43 It's not. Hey, you want to get coffee tomorrow? See you in the morning. You need a place to stay. You can sleep on my sofa. and especially the same thing too, like, oh, you don't, Carrie's like, oh, you don't think I killed Hal? No, you're the one that's a fake crier, so right away, he's like, I trust you, so that waitress storyline of, I need this exact number of money, or I'm, I'm gonna tell Carrie, it's like, I don't need this, I don't, I don't really need this at all, I don't think it's really jiving for the show, again, that's not being negative, I thought, that's fine, right, so, DDS is a testament to the show, but it would be really nice to get more backstory with Guy, Sinister Man, Hunter,

37:20 Sheriff Kane. Also, slow down the show big time. Wish we had more episodes. I do too. I think there's not a way to slow it down because it's like, that's the thing to me. It's good writing. It's good writing. It's like episode three. It was with like John Sturt's origin. That's a slow, like slower episode, but it's great. So it's like, it's fine. It's the same way as like fucking Lord of the Rings. Like I can watch those hobbits sit around campfire and talk all day. As long as the writing's good, right? Then you've got the hall at the same length. I don't want to watch that.

37:45 Writing's not good, right? So it's all in the writing. To me, like, I don't need action set pieces. That's what we talk about so many times with the Disney plus Marvel stuff, right? Those endings. And that's why I love She-Hulk. Or at least the finale. Actually, I'll say I really enjoy the show. I think I love lots of the show. I love lots of the ideas. But when they didn't do the big third act battle and they made a joke about that. Because that's what it was.

38:09 How do we do this? Ah, big battle. Okay, I'll take a well-written, thought-provoking, character-driven speech, dialogue, whatever discussion over. Oh, we got rings and we're fighting, which can still work too, right? But I'm just saying, I agree in that sense where, so you said more backstory with Guy. I think, we never know, right? If they get a season two and it is Guy and John, we can get more there, so I'll withhold. Sinestro, I think we're going to get more as well. We're going to get more next week and next season as well, so I'm fine with that.

38:40 The Manhunters, yeah, we could use more there. Sheriff Kane. I'm 50-50 on it because, like I said, I feel like she's going to pop up more in the DC universe. But if she doesn't, I agree with you there. But, yeah, I think Guardians of the Natural, we'll get more in the future there. So, here's a reminder. It says, during Hal's funeral speech, when he mentioned a possible female lantern, all I was thinking is, please be a sneakily foreshadowing of Jessica Cruz. Well, hey, you got the multiple lanterns now, right? So, I think they'll get there, but, like, I don't want them to get there. I like Jessica Cruz, too, from what I've read. I don't want them to get there right away, because, like, let Jon have his time with

39:15 that guy, right? That, to me, is like, if the DCU's still running, that's like a 2 to 4, 9 to 2. I'm going to say 3 to 4. Get Jon Stewart his own movie. Do a Lanterns movie, and that's where you can get her, So I'm down. But I just want to definitely focus on Jon for a little bit, right? Let's see here. It's still a little frustrating.

39:37 Nobody is pushing back on the idea that Hal and Jon are solely responsible for this town getting destroyed. The manhunter was the one shooting lasers at them. Yeah, right. I forgot about that. It just doesn't... Yeah, it's just like the biggest misstep of the show to me. And that's a good thing because the show doesn't have any missteps.

39:56 And it's not like a deal breaker, right? It's not like a... It's definitely going to take some points off for me, but it's not like, oh, this ruins the whole show. No, it's just like... To me, it's like the point A to point B doesn't make sense. It's just not there. And I feel like with these very talented writers, how do no one go like, hey, shouldn't we add something or make Hal do something? You know, I digress. So, Mike says, oh, yeah, it's like Borog Empire of True. You get what I'm putting down. And I think that's what it is. And then, Mike, you said, because I was talking about stuff, you said, I still think he's alive. Let me know. Are you talking about Hal?

40:32 You think Hal's alive? That's interesting. That is like a, we've talked about that. I'm of two minds of that. I'm happy because I like Kyle Chandler's Hal Jordan, so yeah, get me more. And if it's more of the dynamic, great. And both of them with rings, great. Or it actually would be kind of funny if season two, it was John's ring and Hal had to only use it sometimes.

40:57 I'd be down. I don't know how I feel the whole season, though. And I guess it has to do with just a lot of DC and them being like, yeah, we wanted to be bold and we wanted to kill Hal Jordan. We knew that would mean a lot and we didn't want to, you know, like, fuck, we know what to do and we're hardcore because we're taking a big leap. It's like, Alright, does that make some of that on death nearly? Yeah, you think how? Okay. I'd have to sit with it and how they do it, because I just feel like it's not a cop-out, but it just feels like a cop-out because it's just so...

41:24 I'm not saying forever. If he comes back in another season or movie or something, that's fine, but if he comes back already in this season, if he's alive, that feels like a bit of a cop-out, like a little bit of a too scared to... They put their their toes in the pool, but they didn't jump in it, right? So, we'll see. Let me pull up my notes, see if there's anything else. Right now, if there's anything I haven't touched upon, or anything you want to throw them out, because we're, you know, nearing down the end here, I think, because I think I've hit on a lot of stuff here.

41:57 We got to pick up with John as an architect. That was good. I like he was at Midway City, which makes sense. Again, we talked about with DC Universe, all of it being attacked and everything. Him being like, hey, we need these panic rooms, these bunkers. That was great. Seemed like he was in his element. I really liked that.

42:10 he was back with his brother, they asked him, hey, were you a Lantern? I was, for five minutes, you know, so, that was good, I liked everything with him being architect, and making all the money, and looking good, and being close with his brother, so that was cool, he fucked that up, because, yeah, I love that dialogue, too, when he's like, oh, I'm just going to go back there and check on stuff, okay, I'm just going to tie up loose ends, and then when he comes back again, I'm still working on tying up loose ends, he's like, and then I like the line was you've been tying up loose ends for 10 years like he keeps going back to Rushville so it's like that's great where it's like he has tried to move on but clearly his

42:43 brother has been like you moved on whatever happened with you those people and how you're still anchored to it right so I liked all that stuff there I like that he called like he was supposed to have the big meeting with the sergeant he starts pitching the sergeant the line goes daddy's going I must have lost you no he didn't lose you just thought you weren't worth his time so that was good Yeah, let's see. Let's see, we talked about Carol, we talked about, and then, yeah, we talked about, I think it was another DC reference, but then, yeah, they mentioned Batman in this. They didn't say Batman per se, but when they were at the cafe, John, or how Jordan was like, yeah, I've got this guy, I've got a garden, blah, blah, blah. And have you seen, like,

43:20 he has, like, a thing in the sky now if the town ever needs him. They put it up, it's like what the, they ripped it off the bat guy. So, I guess clearly, too, and this is what's so funny to me, right? This is so funny, actually. I can't remember. I think we were talking about this in our main Discord, which I get a shout-out. Shout-out to our Patreon producers, Aaron Braden, Jack Grant, April Darkness, Superbad, Mike Gallows, V69, A.K.A.

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45:03 People don't know the gauntlet. We do big entrances. We got music. There's storylines. It's a great time. Why was I going there though? Oh, and then we reveal our content for next year. All the retrospectives and Patreon stuff we're doing. So look out for that. So it's going to be a good time. So thank you to everyone that voted. And yeah, join the Discord. It's a fun time in there. We talk. We got tons of channels.

45:23 We talk about lanterns. We've got a channel for wrestling. We've got a channel for football. We've got a channel for a bunch of stuff, so look out for that. Where was I going there? Oh, that's where. So in the Discord, we had talked about that, and I said it was kind of copium people. We were kind of laughing.

45:38 I was sharing some messages where, because they were kind of trending, or most like tweets in my algorithm, where people were like, oh, I just need a scene of Hal meeting Superman, and he's going to like, I could see him guiding him and being a mentor, even though it's tough, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, clearly not, because I think Superman's been active for, what, three or four years?

45:56 I was in fucking prison. So, to me, this was another sign of so many people, like, oh, he's probably, there was probably, it wasn't Justice League, and he's probably met Batman, and he's met Superman, and maybe he's done this, he's given this advice to Superman, he's done, worked with this with Batman. No, it feels like he did not meet Batman, because he didn't call him the Bat-Guy, he definitely didn't meet Superman, because he was in prison. So, again...

46:19 people might like it or not, the relationship of the Justice League and who their Green Lantern's going to be, it's going to be Jon Stewart with Clark and Bruce, you know, which I'm fine with, but just, that's why I think, like, with that mention and Carol Farris, they are fully prepping you for, even if Hal's alive, they're fully prepping you for, he is the Green Lantern of the Justice League and the DCU. He's our mainline one.

46:42 He's the guy. Get with it. It's going to be Bruce and Jon. It's going to be Clark and Jon. It's going to be them talking together, not giving advice like, How he fixes, right? So I just got a good laugh because so many people were kind of predicting that and putting that together. And it's not the case, right?

46:55 So there you go, ladies and gentlemen. That is it for today's episode. We will be back next week. I think it will just be me. So same thing. Come join me. If you've got questions, theories, whatever, that's been ultimate. Got a lot of stuff. We're getting more Sinestro. We're getting our house origins, it looks like. So it's going to be a good time, I think. I was maybe going to do a Travis told you after this, uh, live, but I don't think so because, um, of course both the twins aren't sleeping. So I think I'm going to be doing one tomorrow talking about Resident Evil and, uh, not just the box office, but, um, potential sequel ideas.

47:28 How could they get Zach Krieger back? Will they use a Leon S. Kennedy? Lots of stuff. And then, uh, another trust told you I would be like a Thursday or Friday cause I want to try and do, uh, one about the end game, uh, encore stuff. So we will see about that. So, Clark and John can bond over their bad parents. Yeah, absolutely, right? And even Wonder Woman might be able to, because we don't know how Hippolyta will be in this. She could be like an asshole. Obviously, Bruce...

47:52 Not as much. Not as much, but you never know. But there you go, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for tuning in. I promise to hear from you next. It will not...