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In this episode I am once again joined by Mary Shutan: author, occultist, and spiritual teacher.
Mary explains her activities as a modern spirit worker, reveals how to form and maintain working relationships with spirits, details the difference between spirit pacts and contracts, and warns about the unintended consequences of making deals with unknown beings.
Mary explores the problems associated with using the word “shaman”, offers a critique of modern shamanism training courses, and explains why many people who pursue shamanism would be better suited to a religious orientation to animism.
Mary also reveals her own aborted attempt at the infamous Abramelin ritual, details the resultant fallout and years of recovery, and reflects on the impact of magickal practice on mental and physical health.
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- What is a modern spiritual worker?
- Why Mary doesn’t like to use the word “shaman”
- Mary’s problems with Core Shamanism
- Shamanism and patriarchy
- Why Mary doesn’t call herself a shaman
- Core Shamanism, Christian conditioning, and legacies of colonisation
- Anthropologists as shamanic teachers
- Training in Core Shamanism
- Critique of Core Shamanism and wounded healers
- Post-colonial critiques of modern shamanism
- Some people really want animism
- When shamanism goes wrong
- Cherry-picking shamanism and reconstruction
- Discernment and tainted gnosis
- Words have energy and the need for respect
- Mary uses the word “shaman” in her business and books
- Pervasive Christian conditioning
- Patriarchy in shamanism
- Pop-shamanism vs direct experience
- 20 years of teaching shamanism
- People don’t believe in spirits any more
- Modernity and scientism
- Modernity and shamanism
- Martin Prechtel engaging with indigenous shamanism
- Indigeneity and the routes to become a shaman
- What Mary tells people who feel called to shamanism?
- Conflating personal religious practice with professionalising
- How to get started in animism
- Which spirits and entities does Mary work with?
- Spirit relations
- Mary’s way of relating to spirits
- Spirit communication in dreams and through rituals
- Spirits who come to Mary
- Spirit contracts
- Spirit ID and the danger of spirit contracts
- The Buddha in Sri Lanka
- Be careful what you wish for
- Spirit Lawyering
- Healthy skepticism when dealing with spirits
- Cultural misunderstandings about spirits
- Don’t make a pact with a spirit
- Warning about spirit contracts
- Pact vs contract
- Mary’s training in Western Occultism and time in the Void
- Mary’s spiritual crisis
- Orienting to the Dark Feminine
- Two attempts at the Abramelin ritual
- Abandoning the 18-month Abramelin ritual
- How did Mary exit the ritual?
- Magick and mental health
- Psychotherapists for magicians
- Struggles with the Golden Dawn and pivoting to shamanism
- Christian monks did magick
- Giving up seeking
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Previous episode with Mary Shutan:
- guruviking.com/search?q=shutan
To find out more about Mary Shutan, visit:
- maryshutan.com
For more interviews, videos, and more visit:
- www.guruviking.com
Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James
