From Alexa to Assist: NetworkChuck’s Smart Home with Frigate, UniFi, and AI

0:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, welcome to Homestas and Podcast. [SPEAKER_04]: As usual, my name is Rowan, and I'm joined with my friend, Phil. [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Phil. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Rowan. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, doing. [SPEAKER_04]: Good. [SPEAKER_04]: And today, we have the one, the only network Chuck. [SPEAKER_04]: Chuck, how are you, man?

0:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing fantastic. [SPEAKER_01]: I've got some coffee. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to talk about Homestas and one of my favorite things. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I love it. [SPEAKER_04]: Now, before I jump in and that, just want to say a huge thank you to Homestas and Cloud by Nebocasa.

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1:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Chuck, thank you so much. [SPEAKER_04]: I know we've been going back before trying to make this happen. [SPEAKER_04]: And this is awesome. [SPEAKER_04]: This is huge for us. [SPEAKER_04]: And I've watched you for a while. [SPEAKER_04]: I know you've put out some pretty awesome content out there, specifically around the network networking.

1:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I ton of AI stuff lately. [SPEAKER_04]: And I know in a couple of episodes you mentioned, maybe one or two episodes you mentioned. [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I use Homest assistance as a Halloween season as where I use it. [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I want to talk about that. [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, I mean, welcome, right, huge, huge deal out of me here.

1:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Tell us about your, about who you are, what you do, you know, somebody's not indoctrinated with an orchard, which, you know, I don't think that's many, many people out there, but yeah, let the folks know what you do, and then let's jump into what you're doing at home. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so the thanks for having me guys.

2:02 [SPEAKER_01]: If you guys don't know or you won't know, I've been cancelling on them for a while. [SPEAKER_01]: So this has been a long time coming. [SPEAKER_01]: I ran into Rohan and it's just go live back in June and that's how long this has been waiting. [SPEAKER_01]: This is now November. [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

2:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're here and that's all that matters. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm networked, I got to YouTube channel. [SPEAKER_01]: I used to be a network engineer. [SPEAKER_01]: And now I just, I geek out about everything I can possibly find. [SPEAKER_01]: If it beeps, if it has code, if it does anything, I just attach myself to it.

2:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So I used to only talk about networking, which is fun. [SPEAKER_01]: still love networking, but I really want to jump into cybersecurity and now AI. [SPEAKER_01]: And then anything like Raspberry Pi, anything automation, home assistant, AI. [SPEAKER_01]: So really, when you see my channel, it's just me geeking out and I'm just like, hey, I found this really cool thing.

2:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at it. [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it cool? [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's my home mantra on my channel. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I found this cool thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Can you share in that joy with me a little bit? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so that's my shit. [SPEAKER_01]: I also help people get into their IT career, right?

3:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm big on education. [SPEAKER_01]: That was my background. [SPEAKER_01]: After I became a network engineer, I quickly figured out I love teaching and rather than just doing the thing, I'm better at teaching than doing the thing, trust me. [SPEAKER_01]: And I taught at CBC nuggets for a while, and now I just mainly teach on YouTube and my own academy.

3:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my background. [SPEAKER_04]: And CBT nuggets is awesome, too. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't, for those listeners that are in the networking world, you almost definitely know CBT nuggets. [SPEAKER_04]: It's, especially their CCNA courses. [SPEAKER_04]: I remember just again, way back when with Jeremy Characca.

3:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's a lot of, I mean, my career is essentially built on that man's education. [SPEAKER_04]: Great. [SPEAKER_01]: Real quick. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, me and Jeremy actually are partners in my academy and he just finished his newest latest and greatest CCNA and it's live in my academy right now.

3:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_04]: Check it out. [SPEAKER_01]: That's fantastic. [SPEAKER_01]: It's really, really good. [SPEAKER_01]: We got hands-on labs and everything. [SPEAKER_01]: It's everything we wanted the CCNA to be. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like you, like I grew up on Jeremy Chara.

4:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was my gateway to networking. [SPEAKER_01]: And I've him like working with me and helped bring that next generation of engineers into the fold. [SPEAKER_01]: That's exciting. [SPEAKER_04]: So that is very exciting. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a super, super cool program that they have there.

4:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And that you're now bringing into your academy. [SPEAKER_04]: So that's awesome. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about your smart home. [SPEAKER_04]: I want to know, first and foremost, obviously you've talked about it before in your own episodes around you use home assistant, you think it's cool.

4:42 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you doing with home assistant? [SPEAKER_04]: Why home assistant? [SPEAKER_04]: Let's start with that and we can move in from there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sounds good. [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, as far as like home automation, I wouldn't call myself necessarily an early adopter, but as soon as I saw Alexa, I'm like, okay, um, I'm in, and then they have the Alexa skills and all the things.

5:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, I'm just, I'm automating my entire house. [SPEAKER_01]: I had no Alexa in every room. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, my favorite thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, not anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: So then I, I, I started making videos for my channel. [SPEAKER_01]: So it really anything I deploy into my home or my lab or anything at all.

5:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be content. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, what I do now. [SPEAKER_01]: Like if anything, I make a video about it. [SPEAKER_01]: So home assistant was kind of all my lists for a long time. [SPEAKER_01]: I saw other YouTubers making content. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm not there yet. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get there in a second.

5:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, the game time, I'm like, okay, I think this home assistant thing looks pretty cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna die then. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_01]: I was kicking myself for not having found it earlier. [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that it integrates with everything, which I love.

5:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that it's local. [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that you can shut your internet off and it still works, I'm like, okay, I'm all in. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do this. [SPEAKER_01]: So I started with the Raspberry Pi, like most people. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to throw this on a Raspberry Pi, see how it works, and work pretty thinking good.

6:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it. [SPEAKER_01]: And I just started small. [SPEAKER_01]: I think like most people, I already had Philips Hue in my house. [SPEAKER_01]: You can connect Philips Hue right up to home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think they have an integration that isn't already there, or at least through hacks somehow.

6:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like people make it happen. [SPEAKER_01]: And I [SPEAKER_01]: And then I made my first video where I showed some crazy automation to solve a problem that I had in my house, which is a real problem, like my youngest child would always go into the bathroom, find the largest rule of toilet paper and just throw that into the toilet.

6:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people in the comments were like, you ever heard of Discipline Chuck, you're just just playing with children. [SPEAKER_01]: She's my sixth kid. [SPEAKER_01]: She has the hardest height out of all of them. [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't stop, so I need an nomination. [SPEAKER_01]: So I made it to where if my kids didn't close the bathroom door and they didn't close this whole outlet, had all these sensors to set off all these automations and it was super.

6:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Had videos playing with their plex, had lights flashing, had the internet shut off. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, [SPEAKER_01]: Man, home assistant is, it's both the most fun thing ever, but also the biggest pain in my butt right now. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really, you maybe you're not like me, but I tend to start a project really excited and then abandon it like a newborn puppy.

7:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, we're just sharing it like very little. [SPEAKER_04]: It feels close to me at all the time, both on and offline. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the normally my my home assistant environment is kind of just a little sick, you know, just like, and it's my wife is a perpetually mad at me for how it is right now, correct.

7:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I did make the jump. [SPEAKER_01]: I completely removed Alexa from my house. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm still very much in transition on that because I only have one homo system voice device and I'm too late to buy enough one, right now it's I've been working. [SPEAKER_01]: I normally wake up in the morning and I tell my my guy like set a set of timer for six minutes, but like it's not working because my hyper config is like down somewhere.

8:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's been a week. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I got a fix today. [SPEAKER_01]: I got a fix it and I forget. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think homo system, it's not for the faint of heart. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a project. [SPEAKER_01]: You are gaining a pet that you have to feed and take care of. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

8:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: And you got to enjoy the stuff, truly. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm hoping that they will get to a point where it is kind of plug-in play. [SPEAKER_01]: Like Apple Home is called Apple Home. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even care about that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Apple Home or all the Google.

8:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So I hope it's more plug-in play, but for now it's very much for the Tinkerers, which I do [SPEAKER_01]: it's a project. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: It's and again, I know you said you started using it kind of recently or recent recent enough. [SPEAKER_04]: It's trust me. [SPEAKER_04]: If you saw where it was before, like when when we first started using it, it was like 100% yam all pretty much nothing through the UI outside of like changing states of stuff, right?

8:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, [SPEAKER_04]: And a couple of configs here and there, but other than that, it's been, you know, and then, and then now I know they're working on making a friendlier in friendlier and it sounds like there's a lot more coming on that front, it's, but I also feel like when you're building a project like those are when you're starting making a project like those when you start off with this.

9:17 [SPEAKER_04]: super nerdy intense, like intensely techy kind of thing, it's hard to pull back from there too, right? [SPEAKER_04]: And they're also trying to make sure they're still catering to that super Uber techy nerdy programmer, kind of person, and my parents, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Or probably most of our parents were non-text savvy kind of there, right?

9:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So which is a pretty hard, [SPEAKER_04]: thing to do. [SPEAKER_04]: But that's pretty cool, though. [SPEAKER_04]: It's, uh, so it sounds like you've been having a little bit of fun with it as much as it's working or not working or those kinds of things. [SPEAKER_04]: So what is, uh, what is the future state of the network check household that look like?

10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so currently, um, [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, and this is a new video I'm working on right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys know the the surveillance system called Frigate? [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys use it? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't.

10:16 [SPEAKER_04]: At one point, but then I didn't route any of my cameras to it. [SPEAKER_04]: And then. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's very powerful. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've bought basically like I've put one camera through, but I don't have the hardware to like, I don't have a, a coral or anything to run through it.

10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's sort of very delayed. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, using the CPU or GPU whatever it uses and get a time if it's happened. [SPEAKER_00]: It's already reported the wrong thing. [SPEAKER_00]: But no, I, I, I love the idea of it. [SPEAKER_01]: So similar to home assistant, [SPEAKER_01]: a little story about this.

10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I deployed for a get back in July because I wanted to, I was going to Romania for a trip for a, if the business trip we went and visited bit defender. [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be a bit of coming out soon. [SPEAKER_01]: And we, I wanted to keep an eye on my kids while I was gone. [SPEAKER_01]: Six kids, they're just going to destroy my wife.

11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to remember is everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: So my, how can I get a bunch of surveillance? [SPEAKER_01]: I was like a leaving the next day. [SPEAKER_01]: How can I quickly deploy something that's [SPEAKER_01]: So I bought the the only camera I could find that was Amazon like one two-day shipping and there's these real-length cameras.

11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But I had to make sure they were a camera that I could just shut off the internet and they would still work. [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the case. [SPEAKER_01]: Any camera that supports RTSP, a stream to any kind of device. [SPEAKER_01]: So I got deployed, but dude. [SPEAKER_01]: something that they were all Wi-Fi.

11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That was my big mistake. [SPEAKER_01]: Bye-bye for it. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to do a lot of tuning to make that work. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't make time for that. [SPEAKER_01]: So it just, my forget destroyed my Wi-Fi. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm done. [SPEAKER_01]: So I shut it down.

11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: When I got back from Romania, I tried to get it working again. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, I hate you. [SPEAKER_01]: So I just, I left it alone. [SPEAKER_01]: Until last time. [SPEAKER_01]: Until last week, I'm like, you know what, it's not going to beat me. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to win.

12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys can't keep me down. [SPEAKER_01]: So I sat there with AI and everything, and I even like, when as far as like connect AI to my unified controller to like okay okay I need you to analyze all the locks I need you to get up in there. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have to just tell me what's going on and I found the issue.

12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to watch the video to find out. [SPEAKER_01]: But I found the issue, and it's running great, and I have it connected to Home Assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's awesome, because it, like, frigate that uses AI, local AI to do like object detection, facial recognition and all kinds of stuff.

12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And all those are triggers and sensors in Home Assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: So you can do just a ton of things. [SPEAKER_01]: I've barely started messing with it, but it works pretty stinking good. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my new project. [SPEAKER_00]: And you can do things like less than split recognition as well, right?

12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, cobwebs like cows in the driveway, what's the less is played a little bit? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's this car, my wife's home. [SPEAKER_00]: Or I've just got home. [SPEAKER_00]: And that becomes a whole new trigger, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Or a whole new automation that you can then do.

12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: All new automation, the face stuff is really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: It actually works pretty good. [SPEAKER_01]: Even with like potato cameras, I'll be like trying to, you'll have to like, it's kind of like Google photos. [SPEAKER_01]: You have to select the face and you'll get, that's me.

13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's me. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: But like sometimes like super blurry, but it does a pretty good job. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that's that's been really fun to implement that. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I will say people usually start this journey. [SPEAKER_01]: They'll start with the Raspberry Pi.

13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: When Raspberry Pi does great for home assistant until it gets in. [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to move to something more stable. [SPEAKER_01]: So I moved to my, I was using a ZimaQ Pro for my NAS. [SPEAKER_01]: And I installed true NAS on it. [SPEAKER_01]: And my homosystem just did not like that dude.

13:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like dying, I don't know what the issue was, but I didn't want to take time to troubleshoot that. [SPEAKER_01]: So then I bought a new NAS, a new server, put homosystem on that. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like migrated three times, but we're in a good spot. [SPEAKER_01]: It's great. [SPEAKER_01]: I think my favorite thing I've done with home assistant is the voice integration.

13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So like training my own voice, am I did a video on that? [SPEAKER_01]: So I have to... [SPEAKER_01]: to the voice of Terry Cruz and that's my favorite thing about it is not a good clone like it sounds terrible but it's just fun. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a fun part about it.

14:09 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's too real, it's almost like, it's too serious, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I did the worst job getting samples for the cloning. [SPEAKER_01]: I would have like one where he's like being all serious and like talking about like something serious in his family. [SPEAKER_01]: And in other words, like getting a college, um, [SPEAKER_01]: a speech and it sounds like a very fired it in.

14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So every time I look at like, hey, welcome to the, are you, the lights are on. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's super fun. [SPEAKER_01]: I love having them talk back and forth again, my wife hates it. [SPEAKER_01]: But for me, I'm like, that's mine. [SPEAKER_01]: I did that, I created, it's my little creature.

14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the fact that I was able to build that. [SPEAKER_01]: People come over to my house, they're like, what is happening? [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing here? [SPEAKER_01]: If they're not like in tune to IT in the world we live in, they think, wizards. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, I kind of think we are.

14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: So the voice thing is really fun. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, integrating my phone system into home assistant was really, really fun and I still use the Yeah, have you guys I saw the episode where you were talking to your daughters and stuff like that where Through through an old school phone, which I thought was pretty funny.

15:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I know I know Paulus and the and the home assistant crew did some of that As well as part of their demos, but I love that you actually went out sourced these phones got it did that whole thing So it sounds like you guys still use that [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which it was funny like that's the most reliable part of my system.

15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's those old phones Funnily enough. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were great. [SPEAKER_01]: Um often when my I'll often use it as my voice things. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just pick it the line and see it like turn off these lights whatever I kind of want to make it that my thing because I think right now I don't know if you guys use the the voice Homest陣 voice device yet.

15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you all have that yeah, yeah, yeah, we got one right there. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh There it is. [SPEAKER_01]: How's up with room for you? [SPEAKER_04]: uh... back here not as well when it was on my desk it was a little bit better uh... but it's it's also because i'm facing a wif yeah it's it's it's more for video placement at this point then it is for actual uh... faking my life facing towards it and i still have to yell out job is a few times before it will actually answer me right now it probably lit up perfect it's part of the automation for the podcast is muted [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that it feels like a Alexa early days where you had to really yell at it.

16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great. [SPEAKER_01]: Like if there's any noise in my house which is all the time, I'm like, stop, stop. [SPEAKER_01]: Get real close to it, stop. [SPEAKER_01]: But early in the morning, when no one's awake, it works fantastic. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, what I'm gonna move more towards is installing more phones, and that becomes our medium.

16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we just pick up a phone and a talk. [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like that, it feels analog and weird, and I'm all about having something weird in my house, even if it frustrates my kids. [SPEAKER_00]: What was sort of queries you then running through the phone? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you're going up to a phone and then picking up, going, do this, do that.

17:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you saving time by not just walking over to a light switch instead? [SPEAKER_00]: Or is it, are you actually asking the voice assistant to do something that you wouldn't do by just a light switch? [SPEAKER_01]: So a little bit of both, of course, I think 90% of the things I do in my house could be easier analog, if it's left it alone, if it's not fun, like that's not fun.

17:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want my kids to realize, like this is magic, even if it feels like it's way more work. [SPEAKER_01]: Because honestly, like when I do stuff with home assistant, it feels like I'm living Harry Potter, honestly. [SPEAKER_01]: Like you feel like you're hours. [SPEAKER_01]: So to answer your question, Phil.

17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I simple like turn off that light, but queries like, hey, what's the temperature of my server room right now? [SPEAKER_01]: Or how many let's run upstairs? [SPEAKER_01]: Or when was motion detected last in this room? [SPEAKER_01]: So intelligent queries like that are really fun. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: My goal is to connect up more things when I have time. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any time. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to connect everything because you can't. [SPEAKER_01]: You can connect whatever you want. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to get to a point where this is a future [SPEAKER_01]: I want it to, I want to connect it to N-A-N, because homeless isn't connected to N-A-N, and you can actually use a trigger that'll take in like a screenshot.

18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to take a screenshot of my kid's room. [SPEAKER_01]: and go, is it clean or not clean? [SPEAKER_01]: Based on like some training data, so like here's a clean version, here's a not clean version, analyze that and tell me if it's clean and then send me an alert or something. [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to be able to start doing that because my kids don't do their stuff and I want to be able to track that and alert or shut off their games or like if their room isn't clean, that actually wouldn't meet too hard, I just don't have time, but that's my next thing.

18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: What's what's your favorite thing you're doing right now at Homestead? [SPEAKER_01]: Because like this, you guys run the podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: I need some ideas. [SPEAKER_00]: Favorite thing, I mean, to me it's just like the little subtle life automation. [SPEAKER_00]: So I have really camera as well outside, just put around.

19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I've mentioned recently, we have a gauge on the front of our driveway that doesn't have any sensors on it, but I use that, I just send a take a snapshot, is the gate open or closed, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So then I know that my two-year-old son can't run out onto a street and get run over my car.

19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I will also have, you know, like the washing machine alert, the dishwasher alerts, you know, just so we know, hey, like, someone's got to put the dishes away or this washing in the washing machine, like going, take it outside before it gets all smelly. [SPEAKER_00]: But then it also have the cameras using AI to check the washing line and my weather situation to go, hey, it's probably going to rain soon or I've just detected rain.

19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me take a quick photo outside. [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a washing on the line? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there is, okay, send it all through the Amazon echoes or through the phones. [SPEAKER_00]: Go bring in the washing it's raining outside. [SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to like, you know, just getting an alert saying, hey, it's raining.

19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a washing outside? [SPEAKER_00]: Like now the home can actually see things that are around the house and then take action. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that one. [SPEAKER_01]: So what AI are using to detect the close and line? [SPEAKER_00]: Open AI. [SPEAKER_00]: So there is a hacks integration called LLmVision that you can then connect your cameras through home assistance.

20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So really connect very well with home assistance. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's all through home assistance. [SPEAKER_00]: Home assistance and LLmVision will detect, I think the really cameras have an AI person detection or an event. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll trigger on that and go, okay, a person has been detected on the really camera.

20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Now send a snapshot through LLmVision to open AI. [SPEAKER_00]: And then OpenAI can then generate a description of what's happening in the frame or I can ask a question, you know, is this is a photo of a backyard, which the washing line is they're washing on that line and respond back yes or no.

20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And then home basis and can then play actions on that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty cool. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great idea, but I want to see you do frigate because you're still having to, is it all local on the real link or you have to connect to the cloud? [SPEAKER_00]: So, real link is all local.

21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The only cloud dependence that is open AI with the LLmVision, if I was used to use frigate then yes it would all be local. [SPEAKER_00]: Or I could then, the thing about LLmVision is that I could run my local LLm agent like a LAMR or something. [SPEAKER_00]: At the moment, like you, no time to go down the whole rabbit hole of hosting my own LLM, so I'm just paying the API credits to OpenR, which to be there is pretty cheap so far.

21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we run a whole bunch of automations for this podcast through NADN. [SPEAKER_00]: I do all the camera detections. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've only recharged my OpenR thing like once or twice at a time, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's pretty cost effective so far. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's almost nothing when you're doing such little queries and little runs here and there.

21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to get, so I know like I talk a lot about running a local AI, but it's just, it's not quite there yet. [SPEAKER_01]: Even if you have a lot of hardware like me, it's still like, I just want it to work really good. [SPEAKER_01]: When the AI is really good, it's like, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the thing, right?

22:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I was actually at that time, my list of stuff to ask you is, is what are your thoughts on where we're at with that, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Especially, I mean, maybe let's do both contexts. [SPEAKER_04]: One from a home, home automation or home assistant perspective specifically, but two just in general, right?

22:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Like where, how do you think running that locally at home with [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know one of those new NVIDIA boxes or something with a solid GPU, how does that compare to a chat GPT or a cloud or something like that? [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's actually, we're not in the bad spot because if you're running a job like in homeless, it's gonna be very focused.

22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just want you to analyze these two things, like tell me if close you're on the line. [SPEAKER_01]: That's it, that's not a difficult task. [SPEAKER_01]: It's complicated enough where an AI would have to have some kind of vision. [SPEAKER_01]: It have to do some kind of advanced, [SPEAKER_01]: whatever inference to figure it out.

23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But any kind of generalist thing like that you would use Chad to be T4 or Claw, like asking a big questions, that's where a look what AI isn't quite there. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the amount of memory or context to be able to support that, but small things little runs like that, I think are actually a really good spot.

23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, goodness, you can run [SPEAKER_01]: You can run small AI models on a Raspberry Pi with an AI hat. [SPEAKER_01]: Those work really well. [SPEAKER_01]: That new Nvidia box, it's like $4,000. [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't recommend that. [SPEAKER_01]: However, you can run a small gaming machine.

23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You can buy one of those new specific AI boxes. [SPEAKER_01]: I think framework has a new AI. [SPEAKER_01]: What's the AMD AI chip they have inside it? [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's impressive what we can do now But if you want some serious AI work if you want to be at the cutting edge you got to go with the flat chip models But as far as like home automation I think we're pretty good like you don't have to connect to the cloud unless you're doing some really crazy stuff You it doesn't take a lot of hardware to do what you're wanting to do in the home Yeah, and and what are some of your favorite models for I mean [SPEAKER_04]: Again, too fast-it-it, right?

24:17 [SPEAKER_04]: One for just general use kind of thing. [SPEAKER_04]: And one for if you were to run home assistant again. [SPEAKER_04]: And then I mean, both from a local perspective. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like a llama three and I think it's llama three dot three is one of my favorites. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I forget I forget my models with llama because they come out.

24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: This three dot three has a seven B and then three dot two has a seven D B. I forget. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm fortunate enough where I can run a 70 B model, which is pretty big. [SPEAKER_01]: But I can run on Terry who's got dual 40 90s. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's actually what I run often for when I'm doing inference if I'm talking to Terry and that's his AI model for voice.

24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll use that for smaller things, and I'll have to look back on my alarm and think I actually can play pull it up right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I forget the model names, like you would not believe. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it's back with them. [SPEAKER_00]: They change every month or every week, that by the sounds of it.

25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's a lot, but we're, again, they're getting better. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of out of the loop as far as like two weeks now. [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't looked, but they've come out of some new stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of China's China's Twitter came out with their own recently, which is apparently really good.

25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But I keep seeing things where, [SPEAKER_01]: the local models that the financial model behind them isn't sustainable. [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're never going to be as good as the frontier models because there's not like any monetary incentive for them to make them greater and greater for us.

25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if that makes sense. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so that I got here all on my list. [SPEAKER_00]: I was just like a real network truck video right here just going to the turn right. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 10 out and start drawing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it'll Gemma Gemma 3 is really good. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Google's open source model. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. [SPEAKER_01]: Quint 2.5. [SPEAKER_01]: 7B is really solid and then people are going to hate me for saying this, but deep seek R1. [SPEAKER_01]: is really good. [SPEAKER_01]: As long as you run it locally, don't expose it to the cloud.

26:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I know people are kind of weird about that. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's a good reasoning model. [SPEAKER_01]: It's solid. [SPEAKER_01]: So all of those are pretty good. [SPEAKER_01]: As far as like general things, small runs. [SPEAKER_01]: I love using the lava models for the be able to see images and things.

26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Vision models. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm thinking of. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Even Lauma has a vision model. [SPEAKER_04]: It's [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you're running these locally on a pretty substantial read by the sounds of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you find that you get better response times with Terry, like I know one of my frustrations with the voice pe connected up to OpenAI or something, is, you know, sat talking to Jarvis and then having to wait what seems like an eternity for response back because it's, you know, streaming down a response from OpenAI, you can do that I'm guessing all locally without the internet.

27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you find a very quick response? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty quick, and of course it depends on the size of the model, because if you're running a 70B model, it's going to take a minute, if I run like an 8B model, he's really dumb, I'm not going to lie, he's pretty stupid when you talk to him, but it's like he's a fast talker, yeah, I would say 70B is probably on par of the speed you might get to the cloud, but an 8B model, dude, it's happy, it's just right there, the latency's nothing, and it's not having to think very hard, and you can tell.

27:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what does something like the when you say it's not smarter to what can you give like an example of how dumb it would be like Like if so this is where it really hurts is It because the context window is not very big and I have a ton of devices in my house I want you to help me lights around and like oh, there's like three lights [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, there's not.

27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like, there's like, right, you lights, you're an idiot. [SPEAKER_01]: I might be like, can you check the temperature of my server room and it might be like, there is no server room. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, there is, yes, there is check again. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: It's 95 degrees.

28:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not it. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not even right. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what was talking about. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just hallucinations and guesses and it can't context. [SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't know. [SPEAKER_01]: But if I load up a 70B model, it can hold more of that.

28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: If I devote more of a more VRAM to it, it'll be better. [SPEAKER_01]: I think even in Homeless City, you can control the context window, and you can control up it fully loaded all the time or not. [SPEAKER_01]: That definitely helps. [SPEAKER_01]: But also, I sometimes are on ChadGPT because I'm like, I don't feel like messing with right now.

28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if OpenAI knows that I turn on a light yesterday. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care about that. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, overall, it's pretty good. [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned that you replaced a whole bunch of Amazon Echoes with Terry, like going, just like, gets get rid of her.

28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: How was that from the family perspective? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, were they utilizing the Amazon Echo a lot and have now had to adjust to not having that around? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, they hated it. [SPEAKER_01]: We used Alexa for everything. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if some of our kids first words were Alexa, which I really hate that.

29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was a reality and so I'm like, when I tell my wife, she's like, she knows by this point. [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm going to put something in the house, I'm pretty adding it about it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make it happen. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: But you had the kids would use it for playing music, for telling bedtime stories, and which was cool, but also I'm like, I don't know what they're asking this thing.

29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't fully, um, trust that I can put guardrails in place that will protect my kid getting information. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't know what's happening. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what Jeff Bezos has feeding my kids right now. [SPEAKER_01]: So I, I wanted, it was worth the risk for me worth the headache to take that away.

29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And what's funny is after about two weeks, we were fine. [SPEAKER_01]: What's frustrating though is that they still don't use Terry, like as much as they want. [SPEAKER_01]: I just won't adapt to the new to voices system. [SPEAKER_01]: I just regress back to the time before we had voice assistance and they're if they're fine.

30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But I enjoy using my voice assistance. [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty fun. [SPEAKER_00]: That's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting that they just haven't adapted to Terry, like you thought I would have replaced one for another, but they just like, no work is going to find another way. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, this is just they do things analog now.

30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They even bought like a timer for like a an analog timer Is it like it like one of those my goodness and say no like hey I know they're they're not okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's [SPEAKER_01]: But it's probably a training issue. [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost as a person who does IT in your house and you're on your own network.

30:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You almost have to do like regular training days for your family. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, here's the new updates. [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the read me. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's do a class. [SPEAKER_01]: I should be more proactive about that, but I'm not. [SPEAKER_04]: run your home like a InfoSec training can't do it, right?

30:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I almost have to, like, raise. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm changing you press the wrong button, slap on the wrist, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Seriously. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's funny. [SPEAKER_04]: Now, so, I mean, we've talked a lot about voice, so much you're doing there. [SPEAKER_04]: Are you like what's your ethos in terms of like how you how you operate a smart home?

31:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously you've got a lot more access to again AI models and and hardware to run those AI models and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_04]: Do you, you know, are you leaning more towards say, hey, I'm going to let that run my house or kind of traditional automations of hey it's like, I don't know whatever it's 45 minutes before sunset turn on the lights like, or is it a manual thing where, you know, somebody walks up to a tablet or does something like that or you still walk around, you know, turning on lights and a log mode like we said earlier like what what is the what is the primary method of the actual automating part.

31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So my ethos is I want to automate as many things as possible. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to feel like smarthouse movie that we have a Disney channel. [SPEAKER_01]: Have you guys seen that? [SPEAKER_04]: No, y'all just didn't know this was the thing, okay? [SPEAKER_01]: But there's an old Disney Channel movie called Smart House.

32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's what we millennials have been wishing for for a long time. [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like we're almost here at home. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the homework for everyone watching right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Go watch that movie. [SPEAKER_01]: And if you've seen that, please comment and make sure I'm not crazy.

32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But I want to automate everything. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a matter of time. [SPEAKER_01]: So like for example, like I got motion sensors everywhere So most of our motion sensored on I have an automation at night to where When I tell Terry Hayes I'm going to shut down the house every light in the house goes red.

32:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have that red light and a blue light keeping people up [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, most things, most things are automated. [SPEAKER_01]: I do have a tablet, I have a display set up just in my kitchen where we can hit a few buttons every once in a while when we need to manually, but the design is that you don't have to worry about it.

33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It just does the thing, which does create more work for me with things break, but that's the trade-off moment to make. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's my ethos. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure if you're asking this question, but I'll go ahead and answer it. [SPEAKER_01]: When I'm adding stuff to my environment, I, [SPEAKER_01]: I prioritize things that can be local only.

33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want them reaching out to the internet. [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes you just can't help that. [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes like the device we're looking forward that does all the cool things. [SPEAKER_01]: It has to have that internet service that will connect to homelessness through their cloud and like, oh, I hate that.

33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Just wait, it's when I can get something else. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do prioritize using Zigbee and Z-Wave. [SPEAKER_01]: When I can, it's always a headache, but it's still fun. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, yeah, that's where I'm at and I think another project I want to do eventually I saw someone doing this on on a YouTube I'm not sure if you guys have tried this but getting like those blue tooth like it'll it'll um ESP32 device and being able to like track people as they walk from room to room based on their phone This is um well, it's a whole project like ESP room presence That's the one I haven't done that yet.

34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to do it really badly. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: The only issue with that is you need people to be carrying the devices, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like someone's, you know, run out of battery on their phone, then, you know, leaving the phone on the charge in the kitchen, right?

34:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't track them where they are in the house or you have a smart watch that's compatible with that protocol. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, but only hesitation is not doing something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: For me, it's all a millimeter wave sensors. [SPEAKER_00]: I just need to know, is someone in the room I don't need to necessarily know who's in a room or what room they are.

34:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm okay with that, but also I'm like, I want to know when someone's in the room. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to, we're, come on, it's 2025. [SPEAKER_01]: We can figure this out. [SPEAKER_01]: So, and I can get to that point. [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I really want to do, and it's not quite there yet.

34:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still frustrating is I want it to be like the weasley clock from Harry Potter. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, not it's right. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Where the clock can't tell when a family member is at work. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to build that with home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, that would be so cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I know, you can technically kind of do that now with your device. [SPEAKER_01]: You can check the location, but it's just not reliable yet. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't think it's reliable.

35:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What makes you say it's not reliable. [SPEAKER_01]: Only because I don't pay for the knob because I cloud and I'm like doing things to cloud flaring and breaks all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're not with Chuck Scholl, you'd have that down Pat, like you'd have.

35:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You think you would think it's good to know that you know it's the best they can You can somehow it's just it's the plumbers plumbing, great. [SPEAKER_01]: It's always always the mess Yeah, like I will fix it and I then I'll forget what I did and then I'll come back and be like oh my gosh I don't remember what I did here and then I'll have to go back to my notes and which I didn't make and it's just it's a nightmare I'm getting better though.

35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm using AI processes now when I build things to take notes for me, which is very exciting [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I finally did during Halloween. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to have some really cool, we had a Halloween party. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted some cool automation things for home assistant.

36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I wanted to happen was I wanted a thunder storm to go off every like 10 minutes just thunder storm sounds come up lights like flicker in a certain way Which was hard to do than I thought it'd be like you can do it through he was at but I don't want to do it to you. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to do through home assistant so I'm like I'm like this here and hit all these things.

36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go through cloud and design a skill that can talk to my home assistant and do that for me [SPEAKER_01]: I gave it all the home assistant documentation, like here's what you do, you scour that, you think you're it out, that here's what I want.

36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It did a stinkin' good job. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, with in like three or four iterations, I had me at the understorm and it was awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: So, all powered by her assistant, because I thought the issue was, the home assistant, like the ZB protocol, just wouldn't allow her assistant to communicate as fast as you would need to, but somehow, I don't know how to feel too hubbed differently, but, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my understanding was it was a philips you are only sort of thing to get that fast response.

37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm not sure if it was because I was using that hue hub connected to home assistant that I was able to do that fast flicker. [SPEAKER_01]: But it did a really good job. [SPEAKER_01]: And this was like, I'm like, okay, the people are coming over in an hour. [SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted to do this.

37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me try it out. [SPEAKER_01]: Quickly got into there with AI. [SPEAKER_01]: And it did awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, people were like, what is this? [SPEAKER_01]: It was a kind of like, if you've ever been [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like that like and that's what I've always wanted to do like a side like I've rainforest cafe in my house like every hour Yeah, so that was that was really fun.

37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So now that we have AI I think Automations are much more approachable for people Because automations are the most time consuming part of it like okay, I'll do this in this test I don't know where I can do this in this test. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wait. [SPEAKER_01]: I did that on repeat now my [SPEAKER_01]: But it's it's still really fun.

37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think out of me. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, AI is going to make you really fun for people. [SPEAKER_01]: Do they don't they have an MCP now home assistant where you can just connect your stuff to Home assistant. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have an official one. [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen one. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure I'm guaranteeing you somebody's made one because I mean, it's go to claw to save me.

38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure it exists. [SPEAKER_01]: But one thing I do love is the unify integration into homo system. [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, that's actually really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you use ubiquity in any way, you connect it to homo system, you get so much stuff from being able to control your firewall rules to rebooting switches and seeing port statuses like that's crazy.

38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: Troll individual ports now as well, I think that was a recent update in 2025 as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you could, you have to turn off and on individual POE ports. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is nuts, like it's, it might have been Wi-Fi problems. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool, restart that, that's it for that AP.

38:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Easy enough, like it's, it's powerful. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that so much. [SPEAKER_01]: And then when you connect any end to it, it's just, the amount of automation you can do. [SPEAKER_01]: is ridiculous. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I know that people give me a lot of crap for saying, oh, and it ends really cool, but we've had no red forever.

39:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that any good? [SPEAKER_01]: I've never tried it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a whole, when no red was like, the early days of home assistant before home assistant had a UI, there was a no-to-ray project to get like home assistant, officially into no red and people would become like the de facto UI automation editor.

39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: For me, I'm not a general visual person. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't do my home automations to that level. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm moving wires around and all that crap, like, I mean, logically, I need to code it. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I find an idea, like I think and it is like the next step up from no dread and it just connects with so many different things, right?

39:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and you can host it regularly, basically, remotely, [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's also end at end is kind of where the industry or people are going to. [SPEAKER_04]: So I think there's a lot more integrations being focused on and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_04]: No bread is, I mean, no dreads awesome.

40:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I went through a phase where I used no dread a ton. [SPEAKER_04]: All 100% of my automations at one point were in no dread. [SPEAKER_04]: And I did, because I'm the opposite, right? [SPEAKER_04]: I like the visual, I like the click and drag, and it's just, to me it's like Lego, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Like the Lego, what was it called?

40:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the automation builder thing, the robot builder thing that they have there. [SPEAKER_04]: And so to me, that was like a lot more like, hey, it's structured, okay, I know the flow is going this way for sure. [SPEAKER_04]: But, [SPEAKER_04]: There is times when it started to get complicated.

40:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Like so I had, for example, I had an automation that was, you know, if my door is open, check again in three minutes, if it's still open, then shut off my AC if turn off the heater, whatever it is. [SPEAKER_04]: And then save the state of whatever the heater or AC are or whatever it was.

41:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And then once the door closes, the other doors are closed, whatever front and back door is closed, then go back in and then reverse whatever you just did, kind of thing, right? [SPEAKER_04]: The automation in Node Red looks like you like doctors handwriting like pretend like doctor like writing an essay and handwriting And it was just like it was a scribbles all over the place right [SPEAKER_04]: And so when you start doing complicated things like that, it gets almost overwhelming when you're watching and when you're looking at it visually and following it then starts to become a bit harder.

41:42 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it depends on the kind of person you are in terms of how you automate and that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: And no red and sorry, [SPEAKER_04]: any then take a lot of cues from that style of dragon drop kind of workflow. [SPEAKER_04]: But again, to me, no bread was kind of the OG for for that style of automation, right?

42:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And but I think I think any then's done a great job with marketing themselves even from where [SPEAKER_04]: Like from what AI automation and building agents and doing that kind of stuff and, you know, you search to search N8N on YouTube and you just see 10,000 videos on just, hey, here's how you're building an agent with this.

42:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Here's how you're doing this with this, right? [SPEAKER_04]: And so there's a lot more resources out there I feel for N8N rather than, even from before, no red. [SPEAKER_04]: There was really, there was homelessness and creators that were making videos about it, which at the time were a handful of people.

42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you kind of had a niche introduction like going through home assistant where NATN was more like we you can use us for everything We're like a zap your room We're awesome and they they're really smart about that I'm curious for you guys who are using NATN Wendy you choose NATN over just using the built-in home assistant automations because I think they have a lot of feature parity I'm just like I'm not sure what what what when to use which?

43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say we don't use an NN for anything home related and it does the hamster and podcast like it will do like you know scheduling a recording today and on all that sort of background stuff or in publishing, but in terms of like augmenting things around the house or I don't know if I could get.

43:20 [SPEAKER_00]: and add them to it. [SPEAKER_00]: I have considered doing some stuff with web hooks and and if I need something in the house trigger that I then want to off-shoot to add in, maybe you can do some opening eye stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Trigger some web hooks stuff, but for the most part, I try to get everything with native, with your home assistant.

43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, I was kind of like that, but I got so used to any end, I'm like, okay, I think all I want to do now is in home assistant and just do scripts, just have little scripts and then any end is my logic like on trigger at this time of day or do this every five minutes, I even had one automation during Halloween where.

43:59 [SPEAKER_01]: every hour in my wife also hated this so much. [SPEAKER_01]: Every hour, I would have Clyde generate like a five-second scary story. [SPEAKER_01]: Just like a unique one, random, and then it would hit a script and homo-system that would pull in 11 labs of voice and just tell the story on all my speakers, which I use, so no, speakers.

44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Which I pretty good with homo-system? [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have to. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've got some speakers everywhere, and they, like, the Texas speech works great. [SPEAKER_00]: And now I think you can even, like, do ducking, like, if you're playing music, home assistance, announcements will then come in and duck the music and play over the top.

44:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope for the volume and then yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, that's been a problem for me. [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, the problem still haven't stopped yet is I used the, the TV speaker. [SPEAKER_01]: And right now, whenever an announcement comes in, and just completely canceled my TV, and they have to restart the, and I'll make, oh my gosh, my kids hate that so much.

44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can even use the living room speaker right now, but yeah, every speaker in the house, I have to do something. [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I wanted to do for Halloween, and sorry, it's a lot of Halloween stuff recently, so I love it, right from that. [SPEAKER_01]: This was gonna be so many about it and do it.

45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to clone every one of my kids' voices and like just have a random speaker like say, hey, hey, come here. [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the kids' voices going throughout the house. [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of fun. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that hard to do now. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, a few speech samples going to 11 labs and clone it.

45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We live in a really cool day and age. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of thinking about what I want to do for Christmas, but I don't really have any good ideas for Christmas automation. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys do anything [SPEAKER_00]: December one is when I have an input blend for Christmas time, turns on.

45:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So it does number one that will flick on and then some lights sort of change their behavior around the house. [SPEAKER_00]: So for example I have some non-elev canvas that will then only play Christmas themed playlists. [SPEAKER_00]: So green, red, white, around the house. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it will enable my Christmas tree which I have a smart plug in the garage with the Christmas tree lights so [SPEAKER_00]: And when we get home, and it's, you know, as long as it's not before bedtime, if we get home during the day for the first time, a random Spotify Christmas playlist will be played on all the single speakers around the house, so that when we get home, because my wife really likes Christmas music, you know, so December 1, that starts as soon as we get home, it's Christmas time, and we just feel like the Christmas spirit, right, all the music playing.

46:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good idea. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to steal that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: We had, we had, this is about a year ago now. [SPEAKER_04]: We had Jason Scherer on a podcast. [SPEAKER_04]: He's another, another network dude kind of does a lot of IoT stuff.

46:41 [SPEAKER_04]: But Jason actually does a lot of LED kind of full-out like, [SPEAKER_04]: productions at his house right like so just get gets a butt lot of LEDs from I don't know Ali Express or you know random vendors in China and guest them shipped in and he's got the software to actually properly program this like like they do in proper productions that like big malls and like big I don't know like those kind of spectacle kind of things [SPEAKER_04]: and sinks it to music and all that stuff.

47:14 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's got like the singing like mouths and all that stuff and it's it's pretty cool. [SPEAKER_04]: It is it is he sent me a few videos about that and and I'm going to bug him and figure out what he's doing now. [SPEAKER_04]: He's he's I know last time I talked to him. [SPEAKER_04]: He's saying he's currently is in Melbourne actually fill.

47:33 [SPEAKER_04]: He's in your neck of the woods. [SPEAKER_04]: He's presenting at Cisco live there and then so he's going to come back and he's going to have like, I don't know, two weeks to do this whole thing and then I think normally this kind of stuff takes like a very long time, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Like a month or two.

47:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, that's. [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's just a cool thing. [SPEAKER_04]: My thing is boring. [SPEAKER_04]: Christmas time is just turn on a couple of lights and that's what I'm talking about. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever I'm trying to do, it's kind of buggy, but I like doing the automation with Plex, being able to throw up movies and stuff every once in a while.

48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Throw up a little U-Log fireplace every once in a while, but it's really buggy to find the right switches. [SPEAKER_01]: And I do love and home assistant where you can go to development mode. [SPEAKER_01]: and just find exactly the ID number and everything you need to do the automations.

48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But, Plex, it's, maybe I'll try jellyfen. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys use jellyfen or Plex? [SPEAKER_00]: Or do you know what? [SPEAKER_00]: We've had this discussion. [SPEAKER_00]: We love the idea of jellyfen. [SPEAKER_00]: But Plex looks better and he's more user friendly for the other people in that house.

48:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially for the kid blocking stuff, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like jellyfen, you know controls over that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I can't do that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, where my kid's still not at the TV. [SPEAKER_04]: He wants to watch TV. [SPEAKER_04]: He's not there yet, but I know the second it starts.

48:52 [SPEAKER_04]: It's, uh, it's game over, right? [SPEAKER_04]: And it's, uh, but yeah, I think I think right now Black says still right now for my family is winning out. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you just have to turn the TV on, turn it to the Plex import, wait for Plex to load, make sure you start with the right Plex profile, I'm assuming you've got multiple profiles, like we do, then you can call the MediaPlay target and then you've got to know what I do, like what library I do to use and what the title is called, it's got the exact title, and then hopefully, hopefully it'll start playing on the TV, you've got, right?

49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you described my exact headache, like entire process like I think I found it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I found it and it worked three times that that was it and I couldn't make it again, I'm like I got all over that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was my my issue right now is my I think I've had to rebuild plaques in the time I've been using it maybe five times [SPEAKER_04]: because randomly just corrupted state of base, it just, and it's like, oh, okay, cool, thank you.

49:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's a knaffle. [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's like, and moving it to a container, I think made it worse. [SPEAKER_04]: I have a container with a GPU pass through, before it was on a VM. [SPEAKER_04]: But now I just have all sorts of random permissions issues for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, [SPEAKER_04]: I, I couldn't tell you why, but, but that too, um, and then yeah, and then the whole true NAS, um, that a fast on top of that is just like, it's true to that.

50:22 [SPEAKER_01]: True NAS was really cool, but I got real fed up real quick. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have time for that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to do enterprise networking and storage in my house to that extent. [SPEAKER_01]: That's too much work. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

50:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Managing Xenophas right now because I've typically had Q and app. [SPEAKER_04]: Now, as a stuff in the all you standard Linux kind of sharing permissions and whatever and I'm learning how challenging managing [SPEAKER_04]: permissions on ZetaFasses and I can say confidently that I hate it.

50:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Just the worst. [SPEAKER_01]: It totally is. [SPEAKER_01]: I right now I'm using a Xemiku Pro and I did have a trueness on that. [SPEAKER_01]: I gave up. [SPEAKER_01]: I installed their default Xemos on there. [SPEAKER_01]: That's been pretty good. [SPEAKER_01]: I've actually had Xemos views and I run Plex as a container.

51:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I also do GPU pass through. [SPEAKER_01]: It looks pretty well. [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't had very many issues. [SPEAKER_01]: Not no issues, but it's pretty good. [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, we'll be back with the network Chuck in a sec. [SPEAKER_00]: But right now, if you're looking to upgrade your smart home, you can't go past Zeus.

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52:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you what's your next project? [SPEAKER_01]: Because you eat sleep and breathe this a sound like you got a podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: What's your next thing? [SPEAKER_04]: For me, I think it's exploring a lot more with AI in my head. [SPEAKER_04]: One of the things I want to do is just.

52:42 [SPEAKER_04]: fully pass everything to it and let it control it. [SPEAKER_04]: And I know there's a couple of YouTubers, and a tech enthusiast is one of them that's done this. [SPEAKER_04]: And it hasn't worked well. [SPEAKER_04]: Or worked well, but it's like randomly to like turn on a random light at a random time, right?

52:58 [SPEAKER_04]: I think what I want to do is I want to pass it all through to some kind of machine learning kind of idea and just see me like Okay, you know what like a lot of times you turn on this light at this point, right? [SPEAKER_04]: That's a manual task that you do And there's actually repeated behavior when x y and z happens then [SPEAKER_04]: We turn on light day as as an example, right?

53:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd love to, I'd love to leverage machine learning slash AI, you know, whatever umbrella term to to figure that stuff out, just give it all of my habits, give it all of that data and say, okay, this is how my family works. [SPEAKER_04]: Give me, I don't know, five, six, eight, whatever, or unlimited amount of automation makes the gestures into how I can, how I can make this better.

53:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, actually that that probably initially wouldn't be that hard if you just dumb logs to like caught like here exactly, it's me. [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what for it. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's where again, talking about that home assistant, MCP, assuming it exists if not just again, Claude can make one for you.

54:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe leverage that and then feed it back into cloud to say, hey, tell me what to do. [SPEAKER_04]: Give me and again, it's a time thing, right? [SPEAKER_04]: I just have to do that and figure that out and say, hey, what kind of automations and great. [SPEAKER_04]: If you can go build those automations for me, even better, just start working, right?

54:23 [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe a little different than giving the keys to the kingdom to the AI rather than it's still sitting in home assistant and it's just augmenting and went every day or [SPEAKER_04]: go through, upload all the logs and the history and say what's going on here. [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm kind of excited to do something like that.

54:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Again, time. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll say something AI similar, but I am worried about introducing just a new black box, so I'd like already, you know, things happen around my house like blinds, open a close at random times, because I know the rules I've set them up. [SPEAKER_00]: But my family doesn't know, and to them, it's like, why have the blinds gone down?

55:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be like, oh, it's because you turn the TV on, and the sounds that this, as a myth in this elevation, right? [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to understand that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Why I've chosen to do that for them. [SPEAKER_00]: I've done it to benefit them, but you know, I don't want to be in a position where I've all of a sudden let A.I.

55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: take over my house and now A.I. [SPEAKER_00]: is doing decisions that not even I know why did it do that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe it's determined that we put the blinds down at this time generally so it's just decided to do it at that time today. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: But I do like the idea of the house having more, like an ALI having more insight into the house.

55:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So for example, like proactive security response. [SPEAKER_00]: So right now I have most of the stuff, like I've got the cameras around outside that are on recording 24-7. [SPEAKER_00]: They have AI, I'm person detection, but I'm not enacting on those, right? [SPEAKER_00]: If we're away from the house, you know, I might get an alert.

55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I would like the ALI to be able to, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: look at a camera at three I'm in the morning and go you know what that isn't on what you know that's a person that actually is a person now I'm going to wake you up because you know you should take action on this this is a threat to you right now so I think you know there's some benefits to that [SPEAKER_00]: I also want to end like on the AI theme, maybe not necessarily at the home, this isn't related, but I think you've inspired me here.

56:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They were like doing the things like with an add-end around, you know, my personal life, you know, for example, maybe I want to just take a whole bunch of like mental low off, like I'd like to. [SPEAKER_00]: I've used grossly, I use merely, I use a whole bunch of recipe things. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I can just get AI to generate your shopping list and, you know, curate a meal plan for us for the week so that we don't have to think, you know, what's the origin of this night?

56:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at our calendars. [SPEAKER_00]: Our home business has access to our calendars. [SPEAKER_00]: What's our schedules like? [SPEAKER_00]: That's optimized out who needs the car on this day? [SPEAKER_00]: Where's this person going to be? [SPEAKER_00]: How can we know, like, just, you know, make our lives easier.

56:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Have it like a little background assistant, you know, managing our lives for a little bit better. [SPEAKER_04]: I wish I could do something like that, just again, everywhere, you know, from a, from a work perspective, my calendar is a typically blocked behind, you know, 2FA that then checks to say, okay, are you coming from a VPN device or an authorized device blah, blah, blah, and it's like, right, it's like, but and that always ends up being a block, right to be able to do anything useful like that.

57:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, again, because to your point field, there's time for what I'm traveling. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we have this challenge just recording a podcast between somebody in Toronto and somebody in Melbourne. [SPEAKER_04]: Right? [SPEAKER_04]: And then typically guests from somewhere in the US, somewhere in Europe, anywhere really.

57:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, okay, well, we gotta figure out, first we're in the world of Rohan this week. [SPEAKER_04]: Right? [SPEAKER_04]: And then based on that, do all that stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: And having all that stuff blocked out, makes it that much harder, right? [SPEAKER_04]: ability to anonymously release calendars, right?

58:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Again, it doesn't need to know what meeting I'm in or whatever, but if it can say, hey, if I can even just open up the location field to say, okay, I'm actually going to be in Ottawa next week or in, I don't know, wherever in San Francisco, whatever that looks like to say, okay, based on that, I can start doing different things with [SPEAKER_01]: Oh that's a good idea.

58:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: I know give me some good ideas. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: Be intense fire. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's just the time thing like I have a billion ideas I want to do with AI and with Home Assistant, I want to open every single thing in there.

58:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the matter of time. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I think anyone who wants to get into IT, they should start with this kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: Being able to nerd out on your stuff, fix your own stuff, that's just going to be a wealth of knowledge for you. [SPEAKER_01]: And like I know like I'm wishing I could just get my kids to be mentored and like say hey you guys figure this out they don't care about it yet but when they do I can make them fix the stuff for me which would be great.

59:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Well I deployed deployed to uh again workers right in a night there you go there you go. [SPEAKER_00]: So in terms of the hit list items for a smart home, mine, flats first, blinds if you can afford it. [SPEAKER_00]: Smart locks, I haven't got smart locks around the house. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, nice.

59:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We like exterior doors. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you all do interior doors as well? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, nice, nice, nice. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, I mean, nice. [SPEAKER_04]: Smart locks are the beta my existence. [SPEAKER_04]: I hate smart locks. [SPEAKER_04]: There's some that are nice, [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, painful, and it's not the vendors, not the main, some of it is, right, there's still good manufacturers like we had the new key, the owner of new key on our on our podcast, right, the founder of new key.

1:00:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And their stuff is really cool, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Like that, their, their locks look really nice. [SPEAKER_04]: They, like, functionally, it, it is awesome. [SPEAKER_04]: Right? [SPEAKER_04]: My issue is my door sucks. [SPEAKER_04]: Right? [SPEAKER_04]: And now, I'm literally blocked by this piece of wood with acid in terms of how I can do things, right?

1:00:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And again, there's physics there too. [SPEAKER_04]: And even in terms of, again, I'm in Toronto, right? [SPEAKER_04]: So where we are our ground, thousand freezes all the time. [SPEAKER_04]: Right every year and because of that now my house foundation starts to move around and stuff like that.

1:00:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So now stuff is misaligned. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, which really message with smart locks. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, I see I really hate smart locks too. [SPEAKER_01]: I know that when I have right now, I think it's slays, slides on my own. [SPEAKER_01]: You're still having the name, the batteries run out, like within two weeks.

1:00:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And it drives me clown. [SPEAKER_01]: See, like two weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think this sometimes it'll be like, okay, I need a battery change and I'll go to change it. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, oh, never mind. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are you doing?

1:01:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, stop. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's also a band of my existence. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I find it's the ones with removable batteries. [SPEAKER_04]: I find that like the So I just mass by my battery solve of Amazon or whatever and I think I don't know why I must have bought the wrong type of Amazon batteries whatever this time and they last way less than my previous Amazon batteries Which lasted way longer, right and I don't know if they have if Amazon has different grades It's I think I'm just blindly like to go get batteries double a buy go right and [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's where a lot of mind got messed up, but I've noticed there's been some issues too in in terms of how long it lasts, but I don't know is your external batteries or is it like a built in battery that you charge with like a charger kind of deal or no, just external batteries double a double is.

1:01:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's something like that. [SPEAKER_04]: But in general, like two weeks is it's the Achilles. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Very nice. [SPEAKER_01]: I've got two houses, but I use one for the studio and one for my app, where we live. [SPEAKER_01]: And the, the more like over here, we use, um, I don't want to dox myself a little bit, but what do we use, um, [SPEAKER_01]: What's the one that's like super low key, and you can install on your existing lock?

1:02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: Might be odd. [SPEAKER_01]: Is that, oh, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so. [SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm like the cylinder in the back. [SPEAKER_04]: That's just like a giant level level level. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the level. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one, like the battery lasts forever.

1:02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think I changed it. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember last time I changed it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that works pretty well. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I have a problem. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you guys can help me solve. [SPEAKER_01]: OK. And tell me how I can do this. [SPEAKER_01]: We're perpetually running out of stuff in the house, like, you know, food items, toiletries, and I want a good system to like solve that problem.

1:02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: How would I do that? [SPEAKER_04]: Gracie. [SPEAKER_04]: So, I mean, Phil actually uses it. [SPEAKER_04]: I should have left. [SPEAKER_00]: Gracie's blister. [SPEAKER_04]: And it's great. [SPEAKER_04]: And Phil physically does this. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, grossies to what when they make themselves the ERP for your for your home, right?

1:03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so they, you basically put in, you know, uh, it really gets hard, um, like for things like milk that you use like a lot of consumables, but for things like toilet rolls, um, you can put like I have, you know, 50 odd toilet rolls in the house and if you can somehow automate the tracking of that, um, maybe if you've got the toilet rolls in there, [SPEAKER_00]: certain designated area, you can put a door window sensor on that, open the, like, a deduct that there's, you know, X-Mata Toy that also being used.

1:03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you could, um, I use it for dishwashing tablets, so, for example, you know, when I, when I, the home is, knows that I've used the dishwasher, so, but I've used the dishwasher, it just subtracts and I've got, you know, one less dishwashing tablet in stock. [SPEAKER_00]: same with my washing the washing machine, I use the little tablets to go in the washing machine as opposed to liquid.

1:04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So once again it just deducts minus one from the in iron in stock. [SPEAKER_00]: Also I guess if you're roughly using powder or liquid you could roughly work out per wash cycle how much it goes into each cycle and then deduct a certain amount [SPEAKER_00]: and then in grocery you can have, you know, thresholds, okay, when an item is less than 70 stock, market is, you know, low stock and then you'll just have a, you look at grocery and okay, this item is low, I need to buy that.

1:04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of automating the ordering, I think there's some food services in Europe and probably the US that have APIs integrated in terms, I don't know the names unfortunately, there's nothing for me down under. [SPEAKER_04]: trying to see if Walmart can do it. [SPEAKER_04]: I've recently found Walmart and does not an advertisement by any means.

1:04:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I've recently discovered Walmart to pick up service where you drive there and they'll just put everything in bags in your car and it's I think it's changed my life. [SPEAKER_00]: But Amazon subscribers say for me for like the consumers that I can put on a regular cycle otherwise I just try and [SPEAKER_00]: But as you like, we're always running out of stuff.

1:05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just go and see to try and manage that. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you could do something with smart cameras too. [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you can probably use videos and send that through, or like a picture, a screenshot to say, hey, AI, how many, I don't know, cans of, or your big coffee guy, how many bags of coffee do I have?

1:05:28 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the real thing when I'm gathering my last one. [SPEAKER_04]: Or you can do about wait to, I guess, if you have a smart game. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, grossy has like a great support for wait. [SPEAKER_00]: So like if you get some wait sensors, like some cheap HP wait sensors, you can then set, okay, this is the wait for it being installed.

1:05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the wait 50% then as you pulling stuff off the sensor, grossy will get real time updates of how much you've used. [SPEAKER_04]: You have to figure out, you have to be very organized and keep things in the same spot, that's the only way. [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas with vision, you can stay in this kind of focus to look at a cook, right?

1:06:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Whether it's in this camera or that camera. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's my biggest problem is like my wife will be the one stalking it, but she's not a detailed like I am so she'll just put it wherever and that's my biggest thing, but If I just had one general spot with either a wait sensor or a camera that might solve it and it's called diversity, it's just like ever see.

1:06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Regiment. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole self-hosted app, G-R-O-C-Y, so you can run it as a Docker container, spin it up, and away you go. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a custom component in Hacks that can then leverage sensors from Vrosy into Home Assistant. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a whole few other things as well, it's got like...

1:06:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Habit or task tracking as well, so like tool tracking, I should say sorry, so you know You need to know and use most loans every two weeks gross. [SPEAKER_00]: It will track when last things are done It can manage batteries as well. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so you can put your device manuals in there or devices as well and go All right, it's devices batteries which last changed six months ago.

1:06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I should go change them All that stuff as well [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I told you about it, I don't even know. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a high-risk component in Homestead for called battery plus, I believe it's called battery notes. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even expect it. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's also what type of batteries the device has.

1:07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So I actually use that combined with Grocery to keep stock levels of my batteries. [SPEAKER_00]: So I know that, so Homestead knows, okay, these devices batteries run out. [SPEAKER_00]: you need to replace it, it knows what type of battery it is, so then it can go, okay, there's a double A batteries, you've just, the charge has gone from 0% to 100%, which means you've put any batteries in, I'm going to now deduct four double A batteries from grossy as being consumed, and then I know, okay, now I've only got 12 batteries left.

1:07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like you put a lot of time into that automation. [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's probably true. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I have to know how much time each week are you guys doing on maintenance for your your home stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: Mine's very little at this point.

1:08:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I think right now it's kind of at a good place and then it's like it's focuses, right? [SPEAKER_04]: So like this this coming year. [SPEAKER_04]: I want to focus a little bit more on air quality and I want to focus on. [SPEAKER_04]: energy, monitoring, and saving ultimately. [SPEAKER_04]: So I think, so right now, my smart homes are in a pretty good place.

1:08:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got whatever I need, wherever I need. [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's the, I got a smart, or not smart, whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: I got an air quality sensor in my kids room and it's pretty awesome because now I can tell it's just in Apollo, Apollo one that when we had the Apollo automation guys on the podcast, they were kind enough to send me one and I stuck it in my sons' room and it's like, okay great, now I can tell hey, you know what the windows have been closed for a while, [SPEAKER_04]: You know, CO2 is building up whatever, open it up and you can literally see the graph go down and it's so satisfying and I did it this morning and I was looking at the graph and it's like pretty drastically like pretty instant right in terms of how quickly it evacuates.

1:09:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's doing that kind of stuff more around, again, I've got my automations now it's more around wellness and then trying to save on electricity is trying to save, well both money and it's ultimately better for everybody in the environment, right? [SPEAKER_04]: use less. [SPEAKER_04]: So that's that's a secondary goal.

1:09:30 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: So when I start modifying and adding those kind of things, then that's where I really changes. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that it's it's not a pretty solid state. [SPEAKER_04]: And most of my stuff is Zigbee or Z wave and few Wi-Fi things mostly local.

1:09:45 [SPEAKER_04]: So if I don't if I don't need to the less things to break essentially is what it is, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: You see you got a pretty resilient setup. [SPEAKER_01]: I like that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, what about you, Phil? [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you, you, you do mean it's a lie, I feel like.

1:09:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I sound that way, yeah, I, I, I would say it's more, I wouldn't track it per week, I track it per month, um, like there'll be a week where I just won't touch it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I do find myself like, I have this urge to just tinker with stuff and I shouldn't. [SPEAKER_00]: I should just leave it alone if it's not broken, don't fix it.

1:10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, I always just want to, I can make that a little bit more, [SPEAKER_00]: I can improve that little bit better. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I can, instead of doing like an automation for each of the devices, maybe I can make a single script and push them all through a single script. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's only, I'm not repeating myself over all these animations and then ultimately I'll break something.

1:10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I know I've got a grand idea for my daughter. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's, let's give her the ability to tap some NFC cards to play music in a room and change the lights and open her blinds. [SPEAKER_00]: And now, all of a sudden, my five-year-old daughter is giving me future requests for what cards you want.

1:10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I break something that doesn't work exactly the same way. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think generally on a weekly basis, I make a week without touching it on a month, maybe one or two hours. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just a maintenance. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's generally around the update cycle.

1:11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we doing this podcast, we religiously are on the beta when it's out. [SPEAKER_00]: comes, you know, with zone challenges. [SPEAKER_00]: I've been running beta for, I always say, all the other people wait for a point 1.2 release. [SPEAKER_00]: I run the beta and generally the B1 will be to is fine for me.

1:11:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I'm not adding so much stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm in a good place when I'm not constantly adding new gadgets, new items to the house. [SPEAKER_04]: It's also expensive to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: If I had the unlimited fun money right like there would be a whole bunch more changing I'm sure I think also seasonally it changes so in down here we have four seasons so Once now we're moving into the summertime and we've just got new central AC I've got never to work at a K [SPEAKER_00]: What are the rules regarding, you know, turning the heat off and on, especially on these shadow seasons, you know, like spring and fall or autumn, you know, when is it, when is the heat coming on in the morning, when it's going to be a hot day for noon, right, like there's a whole bunch of tinkering around that, which I'm hoping AI will be able to be able to solve, right?

1:12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: up. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, um, get. [SPEAKER_00]: Until I find it, and then there's, I'll be starting something and I just won't finish it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, as you mentioned before, Chuck, you know, I'll start a little project and I won't finish it. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it will come back in a few months and haunt me, maybe like, I didn't finish that and it's never working.

1:12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm getting feedback about it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I need to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm curious, do you still use NFC actively in your house? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So I had some NFC stickers, but my favorite one's actually is an NFC sticker by my garage door on the outside.

1:12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So, when I write my bike from work, I get home and if I do have an automation to automatically open the garage door based on a whole bunch of conditions matching that day. [SPEAKER_00]: But for whatever reason if the location hasn't updated in time or if I'm outside and I've got groceries, I can just tap my phone against the NFC card on the garage door and the garage door will open.

1:13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's authenticated because it's me, I'm signed into the home business and app. [SPEAKER_00]: and my daughter uses NFC cards now for which she can be used as AI to tell jokes, you know, tell them, play me a funny joke. [SPEAKER_00]: She's using it to turn off and on her lights, so she's got the feels here by itself in the room.

1:13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Her down lights, you know, she can just get her more control, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And she loves to satisfy the little beep that the NFC reader makes when she taps her card. [SPEAKER_00]: Having Fitbit that beep is turned off by default and I get a power failure and it doesn't beep then I get feedback very quickly No, so what do you use for NFC?

1:13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: What's your go to for tech? [SPEAKER_01]: Because you've mentioned a beep on my guide I just I've done the stickers on my phone and that's all I've done So I've had these for years now. [SPEAKER_00]: There was a I'm a company member I don't know he created just using ASP 32 devices Any credit like a 3D printed it's all open source.

1:14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I can add some links in the show notes [SPEAKER_00]: It was all open source, 3D printed molds with an Fc tag reader from SP32 and then I just buy cheap NFC tags from like stickers from AliExpress or the credit card size tags, I think got a 50 odd of AliExpress and they just tap on that little NFC box which I did have somewhere around but I must have you might somehow cleaned up my desk and don't have it here anymore.

1:14:40 [SPEAKER_04]: It's, well, I mean, but the point is fill fill inspired me, I can't find it, but fill inspired me to do something similar. [SPEAKER_04]: So I took one stuck it on my, you know, the number pad thing for earlier garage. [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, stuck it on there, whatever, uh, it lasted a week before it fell off, and I was like, I don't know what this is.

1:14:58 [SPEAKER_04]: That was it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you. [SPEAKER_00]: There's two ways to use NFC right. [SPEAKER_00]: There's one where there's the physical NFC reader in situ, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So you have the card. [SPEAKER_00]: The other way is that you've got the sticker and you are then reading that sticker around the room.

1:15:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Both have their pros and cons. [SPEAKER_00]: So when I've got this ESP32, I know that if I'm scanning, so for example, I daughter has a card to change the lights to pink, right? [SPEAKER_00]: She taps it in her room. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, okay, she wants to pink lights in that room. [SPEAKER_00]: Now when my son gets a little bit older, he'll have an ESP doll I see in his room.

1:15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: She can take that card and put it into his room, and then it will know based on which tag room is being scanned to change the lights in that room. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't necessarily do that when you're scanning it with your phone. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, you just gave me a project dude.

1:15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds so fun. [SPEAKER_04]: But it's what you said earlier, I check it's about how can you take this thing make it less of a project and more exciting fun like lightning like it's it's just keep it light right like it's [SPEAKER_00]: There's a whole bunch of stuff you could do with Halloween, right?

1:16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, like, make some games out of, you know, maybe sort of make some NFC cars with their playing cards or something. [SPEAKER_00]: And someone lifts one up and taps it somewhere or puts in a right spot, takes an action. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, skeleton moves or, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort

1:16:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Deal have a red like a you know the presidential red phone kind of thing and any critical Notifications go to there right and obviously you'll have it across any smart speakers and phone and whatever But if it hasn't been responded to just ring that off the hook until someone takes it up [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a bad idea.

1:16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you give me so many ideas. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ruined now. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a dormant walk. [SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome. [SPEAKER_01]: Now I've got to implement so many things. [SPEAKER_01]: OK. And that's the crux of, like I mentioned earlier, like it feels like magic because it is.

1:16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we can literally do anything we want with our houses. [SPEAKER_01]: We can make anything happen. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just cool. [SPEAKER_01]: To have that kind of power, to be able to tinker with anything, with a digging. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And, and, and it's just, again, keeping it like you don't, don't make it a job, right?

1:17:12 [SPEAKER_04]: It is, uh, is your home up, keeping it. [SPEAKER_04]: I think for me at one point, it almost was where I was adding so many things, breaking so many things, my automations were doing so many things, and it just got, it just got so out of hand, where it was just such a pain, right, and I didn't get to the point where I hated it, because then I'd done that would have stopped.

1:17:32 [SPEAKER_04]: But I knew if it continued, it's just not going to be sustainable, and that's when I was living alone, and then by now wife moved in with me, and that was like, okay, now I've [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be one of the challenges of maintaining a system to over time, like, you know, your kids are aging, like you've got six kids struck, right?

1:17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, as they age, they will be in different life stages, and they will require different automations, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And same with us, like, we'll move into different life stages as well, you know, kids will move out, and then we can, you know, rooms become spare and all that, like, it'll be constantly evolving.

1:18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't think it's hard to make it as a set and forget system, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Last decade. [SPEAKER_04]: It's funny. [SPEAKER_04]: There's that meme that's floating around whatever Instagram or TikTok or whatever, and it's around how like it's like you ask, you know, anybody who's new to IT and they're like, I got my lights on this.

1:18:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got all this everything is smart and then you talked to like a veteran program or they're like, I have a shotgun in case something. [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm ready to take it out, and it's like I'd rather turn my blinds manually, flip my lights such as I'm manually whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I'm there, but I think I still enjoy doing these smart fun things, right?

1:18:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And if it can be a little quality of life improvement, then I'll take that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think it's just the it's the nice feeling you get when you deploy an automation and it just works and like you realize it like you You start to forget about it, but then you realize it and like, oh, that is really cool that I did that that's awesome.

1:19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy that and it's Never do before now like with homelessness where it's at and all the automations we have [SPEAKER_01]: you can, you can do anything. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so fun. [SPEAKER_01]: And I wish, I wish more people would just do it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like my friends are not techies.

1:19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, like, how'd you do that? [SPEAKER_01]: I did this, but like, like, oh, how can I do that? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you'd have to get a Raspberry Pi or maybe a server. [SPEAKER_01]: We can do the cloud. [SPEAKER_01]: I lost them. [SPEAKER_01]: They're eyes glazed over. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, I wish there was an easier way, but also I also don't because it's like this, that's the fun part.

1:19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You get, you get, there's a little exclusive, right? [SPEAKER_01]: But you have to earn this. [SPEAKER_01]: You can't just do it, like you can't work for it. [SPEAKER_04]: I've always said, like, hey, you know, like, and you actually said this earlier, Chuck, too, is, you know, you learn these skills by doing this kind of a thing, right?

1:19:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Just take the plunge, learn the skills, and then, and... [SPEAKER_04]: you know it'll actually help you quite a bit even even otherwise too right and it's uh again career wise it's it's uh I know not to make this a career kind of tip show but you know one of the things I did was myself and uh and uh another colleague of mine a friend of mine we we did a talk at Cisco Live [SPEAKER_04]: around how do you know how do you take something and make some how do you take these devices and make it into in depth.

1:20:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, let me try that one again. [SPEAKER_04]: How do you take these devices and you know do something intelligent with the data that comes from it, right? [SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, a lot of that came from home assistant, right? [SPEAKER_04]: I even demoed it and and we [SPEAKER_04]: My colleague Alex demoed no dread and all that stuff and it's like, hey, you know, here's the cool thing behind it right and and then now it can take that and take that even from learning and teaching other people saying, okay, this is obviously this is a home use case now, how do you take this at the end of price and and do it there right and and I think there's some value in that kind of stuff.

1:20:59 [SPEAKER_04]: So again use it as a learning tool right. [SPEAKER_01]: And speaking of enterprise, I mean, I would love to see home assistant go a bit more enterprise, like at least have a product for the workplace, because I think there's a, there's some market there. [SPEAKER_04]: It'd be kind of, there's a lot of people doing these offshoots.

1:21:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we just, we just recording one out what yesterday or day before something like that, Phil, where, you know, somebody's built a business where they work with breweries in their area. [SPEAKER_04]: And they essentially take the brewing [SPEAKER_04]: Right, and there's a, I remember this is one of our first episodes that we did.

1:21:36 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a project called Farm Assistant and around automating your farm, right? [SPEAKER_04]: And, and it's like an offshoot of home assistant and like a plugin to home assistant something like that. [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I do in those kind of things, right? [SPEAKER_04]: And people are doing smart boats, smart vans.

1:21:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of hotels with Palabar home assistant too. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know which of those ones we had on the podcast and think home assistant on their socials, they've mentioned another one that's Palabar home assistant as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So it is certainly like an appetite for it, right?

1:22:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I don't think I don't think they have any plans to take it fully commercial like with commercial support and doing it because that's the problem with enterprise right is you now have to start supporting these things and having teams of people and whatever and you know it's a community driven project and I think at least the way I read it that's where they kind of want to keep it along with their commercial arm of not because of providing services to and hardware that that go along with that right.

1:22:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I kind of wish they would go enterprise for that reason that they could have more funding to produce more features. [SPEAKER_01]: I think about NA and they make, they make it super free and awesome for stuff hosted people, but they have a whole enterprise solution where they, that's where they make their money and that drives the features.

1:22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we get, we benefit from that. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, how much does it does have problem-deploying features? [SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing updates of the week. [SPEAKER_01]: They're pretty good. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't keep up. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want every two months and I'm like, [SPEAKER_01]: Let me read this read me it's contained like three out.

1:23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I think it'd be cool if they would they would go that route because I know they'd be a market for it I know a lot of companies. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you guys know like they would not put it in home assistant anywhere near their stuff It's not supported and that there's no support contract.

1:23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big no no if they kind of had that that'd be neat [SPEAKER_01]: That wouldn't be cool. [SPEAKER_04]: There's people out there that are built that have businesses, more for residential to your point. [SPEAKER_04]: But there's no reason to can't be adapted to business, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Saying, hey, you've got AV integrators, those kind of people, take that and say, okay, you know what?

1:23:46 [SPEAKER_04]: How can we start doing this for your enterprise environments, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we've given you enough new products to half-star and potentially not finish, so we might have to sleep here. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Chuck, thank you so much. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be able to find you, um, we're going to learn more about you.

1:24:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's something stuff you're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to Chuck, you'll find me, eventually. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love it love it. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much man. [SPEAKER_00]: This has been awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you have me.

1:24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It was fun just to nerd out on home assistant again. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't have a lot of people that nerd out on that. [SPEAKER_01]: Even my employees don't do it. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like it's nice to just talk it out and it's kind of therapy too. [SPEAKER_01]: And to know that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get it.

1:24:29 [SPEAKER_04]: This is our weekly or biweekly therapy, right? [SPEAKER_04]: It's whenever we end up getting to recording these things. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I hear you. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, perfect. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so, so much, Chuck. [SPEAKER_04]: Appreciate your time. [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, guys.

1:24:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll take care. [UNKNOWN]: Cheers. [SPEAKER_00]: Cheers. [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to share your home's isn't journey or come on as a guest, reach out to us at feedback at haspodcast.io, that's H-A-S-Spodcast.io. [SPEAKER_03]: podcast is hosted by Phil Hawthorne and myself, Rohan Kermandy.