Infrared is cool again with Home Assistant 2026.4

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2:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're very pro open source. [SPEAKER_01]: So don't you see how they're going to take that even further? [SPEAKER_00]: Even further, yeah, that would be pretty nice to see. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it is going to be an in-person event as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're in the area, grab tickets, right?

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2:53 [UNKNOWN]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: In some security news, there has been a critical security alert for home misses and OS. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's in home misses and OS versions at 17.1 or the supervisor running 20263.1. [SPEAKER_01]: If you're prompted, you should upgrade to the Supervisor version 2026032.

3:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It was to do with some Docker security issues. [SPEAKER_01]: I make the potentially exposed access to other parts [SPEAKER_01]: So, do check that one out. [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like it's just come out very recently. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and just, again, as a reminder to everybody, it's super easy to patch it.

3:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Just click on the little update button. [SPEAKER_00]: When you get a repair for it, then it's your, your safe, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So, stronger recommend doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's one thing I realize is it's even in the release notes, it just kind of comes in as like, hey, it just protects the ads of firewall to protect Docker, the Docker bridge, or something like that, right?

4:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't actually talk about the criticality of it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it seems fairly important, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So it might be, again, that's why we want to highlight it in this too. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the GitHub release or notes about security incident did mention that there's, I guess in the worst case, scenario, it could expose like SSH access.

4:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whether how likely that is, but that doesn't sound good at any time, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So rather, get that part done. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: To me, even if it's a small, even if it's not a super big critical thing, it might be worth closing it up, if that is the thing.

4:42 [SPEAKER_01]: At it is on the local network, so I don't think it's going to be happening like people from outside your network accessing your such server, but you know, maybe using home misses and you know, shared network might be good to get a patched. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't that, uh, there's a new works with partner for homosistent, um, called heated, uh, there are formally known as thermoflor, but basically, uh, their Norway-based company that specializes in smart climate and heating control.

5:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, all of their devices are, um, homosistent, uh, all of their certified devices [SPEAKER_00]: You have C-Wave there, and you have there's U of products that's now identified works with. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, feedback time, or mailback time, on Twitter, by Aurora Smarthomes, was mentioning, we'll talk about the pet detection and one of our previous episodes in March, and then we're saying that frigate with pet detection is the kind of automation people don't realize they need until they have it.

5:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious how reliable the litter robot integration is with home [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, I forget, like local detection does sound the way to go for stuff like that. [SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, as I said, mention that I've said, like, I've toyed with for good. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I, I stuff in and really get pretty decent for what I need.

6:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, at that point, like, why have an extra layer? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: If it's good enough, or if it works, then great. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not, if it's not hitting the mark for you, and that would be a good time to look at it. [SPEAKER_00]: Some YouTube comments as well, Dixon and Versian mentioned that you can run the F-300 present sensors who we're using matter over threat, so that's a cool.

6:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I still haven't got like a thread network set up. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very reluctant. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just hearing all the bad stories, but I do have the old Mrs. and Sky Connect, the zippy, but what is it the zippy to you one? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I've got a few meta devices ready for testing, so maybe I should wrap it a matter.

7:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not too bad, it's pretty easy that started with it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I did a few months ago, it wasn't too bad. [SPEAKER_00]: I initially, I did struggle with it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I got some of those nano leaf bulbs, the older ones. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And I know, just at the time, there were radio issues and stuff like a driver issue.

7:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So it kept telling me the bridge was initialized properly [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, probably at least 20 times, like reset it out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And it still doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_00]: I just have to do a firmware update on the bulbs and everything came in. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

7:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're doing that, newer devices shouldn't have a problem. [SPEAKER_00]: Initially, there was a lot of issues with. [SPEAKER_00]: So if it's an older device, like I was trying with. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're having problems, just trying to get here. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I do think like if you run like at least a p 300 over, uh, matter, there is the, um, that you don't get as many senses from ZGP, um, special that work I'm running, uh, but yeah, I can look at that.

8:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the, the nice thing with, uh, thread 2 is it's lower power, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a good, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Even compared to Zigbee though, I don't know if it is compared to Zigbee. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say yes, but I don't know that for a fact. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I've had a conversation with somebody talking about that before, where, you know, it is better, but again, I don't know if that is how they measure that or how actually that is so.

8:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Tracy S. Aaron on YouTube said they finally got fed up with the all the stuff and they built their own local LLM to replace 11 labs and chatchipity so we had an episode dedicated to how we were using AI. [SPEAKER_01]: They use open WebUI to handle what voice, P.E. [SPEAKER_01]: can't and then [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to know what sort of hardware is required for that, like that is, I'm not looking at the RAM prices, the GPU prices, you know, I'm not interested in something, like I'm not interested in laying out, for getting a whole bunch of money for hardware, it's particularly [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do, I do like that, especially from a privacy perspective.

9:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just all like, yeah, off of CHPT, get off of 11 labs, all of that, yeah, I like that idea. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like it, I like it, I like it, and PC86, when on our AI episode, I was talking about [SPEAKER_00]: You can use open-cloud or the agents like you would hire an employee and you're the CEO so you'd give it its own email, folder, drive space and its own account.

10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: My goal is travel agent fitness coach, shopping assistant, home lab architect interesting, project manager to help the research coordinating and tracking. [SPEAKER_00]: For our home assistant, I think it's employees with the LLM vision I had taken photos of flowers on the porch and checked temperatures forecasted, condition of the flowers based on the image.

10:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's pretty cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with, you know, isolating all of them, so like you give it its own e-bell, it's all folder drive space, so on and so forth, it's on account. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not one of those people that's comfortable running it on my personal laptop, like on this machine that I'm using to record this podcast got off of files, got off of whatever, I don't know.

11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You just see all these things about like, oh, somebody, you know, installed up a cloud on their machine and gave it access to all of their passwords and everything. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, spending like 30 grand for like learning stuff for itself, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I think you've heard that from like that kind of stuff.

11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, okay, maybe you know, I used to like those things, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But I would I do, I do like what you're doing with that. [SPEAKER_00]: And I I never would have thought to use it as a home lab architect. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's actually kind of interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is something I think I'm going to take away from this, right?

11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've already got a few myself agents set up. [SPEAKER_01]: I finally spoke to Curtis my chef the other day. [SPEAKER_01]: I want we're having some Indian food. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I just give you, find me a recipe for garlic none and Curtis tried to go out and find some recipes for some garlic none and then ran into the classic.

11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, [SPEAKER_01]: I've got to go with that, but I do like a shopping insistent by the same as you run on, I might actually borrow this home lab architect idea. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking of looking that architect up to Docker remotely, like, can go, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: That one diagnosis, what's going on in this Docker container?

12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is that service load up and running? [SPEAKER_01]: Project manager, yeah, I would love a, I've got so many projects on all the time, like I'd love a magical, you know, like, what's going on with my hobbies, isn't comfy, like I had like, like I put a feature request in, why is that not being actioned?

12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And so even like a PM from like a, hey, I want to renov my whatever kitchen bathroom, something that's going to happen. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go out, get some quotes, talk to some people, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: and see, like, you know, here's the plan, see as whatever, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So go find move to top five people in whatever specialty, right?

13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like in kitchen and modeling or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, email them, or whatever, and then, you know, based on this interaction, suggest me the person to use, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I was so you trust that, I would probably want to see all the interaction from all, let's say five.

13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: contractors or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but still, you know, might be might say a little bit of effort there, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Or even if you're looking for certain things like, I don't know, like storage or something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, I'm looking for a storage unit.

13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Go email these 10 companies around me. [SPEAKER_00]: Get their prices, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_00]: I need a process with the other space, figure it out, get negotiate the best deal. [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't need like a dedicated agent for that though, but I see we're going, like you could just have like a personal assistant agent to head left for you, but the things like, yeah, dedicated to me.

13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, like a PM kind of agent would do that like a project manager, kind of agent, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Manage all of us. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Rush, Rush Ashlers, we're talking about cadence, motivations as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Next step after the little robot has been used, send the robot rock to clean up a three by three foot area in front of the box.

14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually, that's pretty good. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can imagine the cats coming out of there, racing out of there and little going over there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, leaving the thunder, the end letter. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's funny. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to some new features.

14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so one that I think before we get into the new features, there is a featured that just, I think it's before Brad's a record this episode has been scrapped and is not releasing in 2026.4, but I think it's worth us mentioning anyway. [SPEAKER_01]: So there is a big change coming down the road so in 2020, it's still for potentially 2026.5.

14:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is just, all that, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And that is related to entity naming. [SPEAKER_01]: So her assistant has allegedly, according to fact, been working towards this for four years, trying to name things individually. [SPEAKER_01]: So entity names were always including device names as context, whether the name was set by integration or by yourself.

15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Renaming that entity, for example, to ambient temperature, will produce something like motion sensor, ambient temperature, as soon as part of a motion sensor. [SPEAKER_01]: If you previously renamed entities without including a device name and I've done this whole bunch, those entities would now will now show the device name again in places that use the friendly name.

15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a change that was coming down the line. [SPEAKER_01]: It was going to be released in 2026.4 as part of the beta process, the home is called team got a whole bunch of feedback at edge cases and it has been scrapped from 2026.4. [SPEAKER_01]: which I think is a good thing. [SPEAKER_01]: This is showing that beta is working right like the more people that install beta, the less options we're going to have rolling out these big changes.

16:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a big one, particularly if you've been using only for quite some time. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it would have introduced a ton of breaking changes as well for a lot of people, like pretty wide thread. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and hope it did try and do like a whole bunch of automatic migrations in the background.

16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I know when it still wasn't perfect, so I've written what I upgraded to the better that did have this still in there. [SPEAKER_01]: I had things like my LG TV became, instead of just living room TV, it was now square bracket LG, square brackets, web OS TV, OLED with the model number, living room TV.

16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: My custom component Alamo that I love didn't become like the House Alamo, which became Alamo House, right? [SPEAKER_01]: My garage door controller was a garage door controller garage door because I've renamed it from garage door controller to garage door, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it is [SPEAKER_01]: This is a tricky one, particularly for me, I've gone in it and we know a few devices to custom names that don't include the original name.

17:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a massive break and change, I think this is going to have to be one of the ones where we just have to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: Cut it and go, that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: From moving forward, let's rename everything properly. [SPEAKER_01]: Or do it in the way they intend to. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm wondering if even with a friendly name, like is the, like when you link this up with your Google home, say I was on Alexa, it's things like that.

17:51 [SPEAKER_00]: When you link it with Google home, say I was on Echo's and stuff like that, am I saying, like, open the garage door, control their garage door? [SPEAKER_00]: instead of open the garage door, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So it becomes extremely unintuitive when you start doing that too, right? [SPEAKER_00]: If that's the case, now I don't know that it did affect those kind of names and I know you can go in and modify some of those, but I'll be, I'll be honest, I have no interest in doing that.

18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this is where those migrations were coming in and I think this is why it's been pulled out of 2026.4 for now because there are so many edge cases that this affects that they're not comfortable going through that release. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it is worth us just mentioning here that this is actually naming is a big topic that's going to just be coming forward as is the 20265, [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, good, but good to see that better is working, right?

18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was pulled back. [SPEAKER_01]: There's an a point releasing this out. [SPEAKER_01]: They know they knew going into this is going to be a big one, but they're still made the decision. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hold off. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and show it to, you know, Frank and the crew for [SPEAKER_00]: You know, not having an ego about this, right?

19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like sometimes you'll see people but like, no, I came up with these features and best signal worlds, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But again, this is where that feedback matters as a community, as as, you know, whether it's a creators, whether it's the community that's using the device, sorry, using the application, come in and say, hey, [SPEAKER_00]: We don't really love this, right?

19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, and or we had all of these issues, again, it's not a scrap it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a potentially go back to the drawing board and let's figure out how we can do this without it. [SPEAKER_00]: Effective, just making this me changes, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But moving on to what's actually made into the releases, infrared has become a first party citizen now.

19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you still have devices that are controlled with infrared, so like air conditioners, maybe some old TVs, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: This release kind of gives homosystem the ability to send IR commands from IR Blaster for oxies around the home. [SPEAKER_00]: So now that means you can select initially in my view, it's a select number of devices, but you can go in and say, as I'm going to say integration knows that there's IR commands for that device, homosystem can go in and actually send whatever command to those devices.

20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So seed studio actually makes an infrared sensor, which is ESP home based. [SPEAKER_00]: And it now supports that as an infrared proxy. [SPEAKER_00]: So the state will reflect the last day in time that something was set. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a cool integration there too, if you want us to get started with some of these there.

20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And what I like is I like the fact that these are like proxies, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like I when Bailey proxy became a thing first, I was so excited for it because I don't need it to be right at the homocystin hub, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Or whatever device I was using as a hub. [SPEAKER_00]: For me, it was actually in a Docker container, in a virtual machine, on my server, in my rack.

21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: not a great thing to use for Bluetooth or anything wireless because it's a fact-of-lainer-fair-to-cage. [SPEAKER_00]: So once Bluetooth proxy came out there, that was great. [SPEAKER_00]: So same thing now from an infrared perspective, it doesn't have to be on the home assistant device.

21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It can be spread out through your house that's wherever you need it. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't yet teach how we system to learn existing remote codes, so you can only send the IR codes and it can't receive it yet, but that might be something that's going to be implemented at some point and our F will also be implemented as part of this system at some point.

22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: When I first saw this, it was like the major headline and like, oh, like infrared. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's kind of old school. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember, I think I'll link a link sent me out like an IR Blaster remote thing. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was just the time I at my aircon changed over and I think that was the last IR controllable thing that I had in the house.

22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, I have nothing I ought to do anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, right. [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, like for me, I'm like, if, like, everything is, uh, not, I am anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: I like it with the aircon. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess I have the aircon, but it's an LGA con. [SPEAKER_01]: So it connects.

22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's got an app that's connected with the homies isn't locally. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and the TV is like, it's an LGA with a magic remote, which I guess hasn't I are blasted in it to do legacy stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm pretty sure like, [SPEAKER_01]: everything. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, right.

23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't have maybe an old TV somewhere I could use it for, but then I've been thinking about it and one of the points in the release documents that was made is that there's so much, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: old technology or all the technology in the home already that you now don't have to replace to go and upgrade together connected to home assistant, right?

23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The proxy in for a proxy is absolutely fantastic for the points you mentioned Rohan. [SPEAKER_01]: This is an initial release so I'm happy for it to not have learning capabilities yet but I do think learning capabilities will have to come at some point. [SPEAKER_01]: I do see the merits in this, RF will be exciting for me, because I have so much random RF devices around, like blinds and I think I have a lot of light that is RF that I could potentially automate.

24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: that would be cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I have a broad link RF thing though, and that is going to say, normally you people deploy those broad link ones, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also like how many of those who you're going to deploy on the house, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Where and what's the cost of that, as opposed to either DIYing a ESP.

24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Except for the 32-based device or getting that seed studio in that that I talked [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's the point too. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think broad link is a closed ecosystem. [SPEAKER_01]: So there is a broad link integration with our home assistant, but you still need to, you know, pair on the app and do it all like do it in their little thing, right?

24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The good thing about the, at least for this release is that, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Because infrared is now a first party citizen, it allows integrations to define things that can be called over infrared. [SPEAKER_01]: So as part of 2020, 26.4, there is an LG IR component that's been on integration that's been released.

25:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So assuming you have an LG TV, then home Mrs. Knows the IR codes for LG, it's part of the integration, and then you can do things like turn the TV on, turn the TV off, [SPEAKER_01]: action calls in home assistant and home visits will then translate those calls into the IRs over the proxies in the particular room so you can have the live in room because of the room proxy to send that IR command.

25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think this is a fantastic release or a fantastic fantasy feature, I mean home assistant. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to know how it would differentiate. [SPEAKER_00]: So for example, if I have two of the exact same TV, right, or air conditioner or whatever, and they're in two different rooms, I have two IR proxies.

25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if it uses areas to say, okay, this device isn't this room. [SPEAKER_00]: and send it at that proxy or how that would work, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like with Bluetooth, it's whoever's attached to it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a lot easier from that side of it, or whoever can see it, one of them will just say, hey, here it is, or all of them might say it.

26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: run this command. [SPEAKER_00]: But with IR, that's not the case. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no attachment. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no, like there's no pairing from an IR device to its hub or proxy, whatever you want to call it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm curious to say to know at some point how it knows to send it to the right one.

26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe it just uses areas or something like that, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, when you're setting up the integration, you have to find which proxy it is attached to. [SPEAKER_01]: And then that will say, okay, I've got this proxy in the living room. [SPEAKER_01]: I use that for this device.

26:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, okay, that one makes sense. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, there is some updates to purpose specific triggers. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole bunch of new triggers have been added in the release. [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest improvement comes to cross-domain triggers and conditions. [SPEAKER_01]: So now a door-opened trigger responds to any door entity, whether it's a contact sensor or a motorized cover.

27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a temperature-changed trigger, which picks up readings from temperature sensors, climate devices, and water heaters, doesn't matter whichever one of those it is. [SPEAKER_01]: It's on because it's a temperature-changed event, it'll get triggered. [SPEAKER_01]: You can no longer need to know the technical details behind the scenes, which is fantastic.

27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So get you can create a trigger. [SPEAKER_01]: For example, when a window in the upstairs floor is opened and you don't just list every single window, you can just add a new window sensor up there and it will just automatically be included in that information. [SPEAKER_01]: More triggers and conditions are now also supported.

27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Not all of them listed here, but they're the main ones that I've saw were covers are now supported, which I've been waiting for for ages, events. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's an actually generic, inst events that are supported, temperatures and to-do lists can now be automated using purpose-specific triggers.

28:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you're wondering what, again, we've talked about those, I think pretty much every release now since December, when Frank came on and introduced it, if you haven't looked at it, check out that December episode, Frank goes very deep into it into what the point of this is and, and it's all good stuff.

28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in, it's a labs feature right now, so you have to go in manually turn it on. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not part of a specific release. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's release stuff tied to it, but I can turn on that big feature as a whole. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to go into the labs. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious, have you turned it on?

28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you are you playing with this? [SPEAKER_01]: I turned this on when it came out first. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I, it was still a bit underbaked for my liking. [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to turn it off. [SPEAKER_01]: I, [SPEAKER_01]: I think now I'm going to go back into it. [SPEAKER_01]: And so, and in the release notes of 2026 for it, they do mention that this is getting really close to being finished now.

29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So expect this to be coming out of labs. [SPEAKER_01]: I was not the next release, but in a few iterations time, I think this is the time where there is enough for me now to go and go, okay, you know what, I can start moving towards this. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I'm in the same boat.

29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to play with it, but I was always like, I don't know if it's there yet. [SPEAKER_00]: But just even reading the release notes last day or day before whatever it was. [SPEAKER_00]: I was going through it and I was like, okay, I feel like most if not everything that I would use is in there because again, I don't want this partial here and not really over there and like that kind of thing, right?

29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the point of this is to be kind of ubiquitous and I like for that to be ubiquitous. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I might actually give it a shot. [SPEAKER_00]: That's release and see how that goes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at this upgrade your smart home, you really can't go past the zoos.

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31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, background colors are not coming to deathboards. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can go into specific parts of your dashboard and say, hey, I want this to be yellow, gray, whatever it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited but cautiously to see what comes out of this that I feel like there's going to be, you know, some people that build out these dashboards that are just gorgeous that come out of this, using those background colors and stuff and I know there's going to be like.

31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: people that are going to go in and say, hey, how can I make this super, like, funny, kind of, comically ugly, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Let me put, like, pink and yellow in this and this and this. [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm not saying you can't make those colors look good together. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, with intention, you're going in to make it look funny or bad.

32:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to see both of them. [SPEAKER_00]: So if people have [SPEAKER_00]: hilariously terrible kind of uses of these background colors I'd love to love to see it does send us a email or put it in a comment somewhere wherever you're listening. [SPEAKER_01]: So right now they're limited to just sections, being what you changed the background's on.

32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: What are the, like a cool use case for that, they showed us was different colors for different types of groups. [SPEAKER_01]: So for example, you can have all your lights as a yellow background, all your blinds, as a purple background, just to visually separate where things are quickly right, so I have to be determined a lot and your eyes just gravitate to that yellow section.

32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a good, there's a, [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's a good accessibility angle in here too, I just don't like in my head I just can't process exactly [SPEAKER_00]: What would be best? [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it depends on what kind of accessibility needs you as an individual requires, but that I'm actually interested in hearing about as well.

33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you do end up doing anything for accessibility purposes, post in the comments, I'd love to, I'd love to understand that, too. [SPEAKER_00]: It is genuinely one of my favorite topics on this show, and I think Phil for you as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to understand that, so.

33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, one of the other features that you have in lights, let's just talk about lights then, if you open up a light, you can set your favorite colors at the bottom of the lights. [SPEAKER_01]: You can now copy those to other lights. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you set up your, because every light has its own individual favorite colors, right?

33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you set up your favorite colors on one light, you can now copy them over to another light as well. [SPEAKER_01]: And favorites can also now be assigned against covers. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you've got a blind and you'd like to have a certain blind at 52%. [SPEAKER_01]: You can now have that as a favorite.

34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And those favorites can also be triggered both for lights and covers on the applicable card on the dashboard. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: Matter Locks, so you can now manage credentials for Matter Locks through home assistant as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So when you're adding a new user, you can give them a name, set a pin code, and give them what kind of access they should have.

34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, can they lock or unlock any time, maybe it's a one time access or something else. [SPEAKER_00]: So, the Schlage Schlage, he never forgets us. [SPEAKER_00]: I think integration also got the ability to manage those access codes as of this release, so that's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I do hope I have a couple of people know this already.

35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I use the Cara, you 400, so I switched the locks. [SPEAKER_00]: Which, by the way, I got to say, I mean, I've famously been quoted off this podcast, stating how would I hate smart locks. [SPEAKER_00]: This is actually the first smart lock I don't need. [SPEAKER_00]: They're not paying us to say this.

35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They did send me the lock for free, so full disclosure there. [SPEAKER_00]: But, [SPEAKER_00]: It is genuinely become one of my favorite smart home devices in this house. [SPEAKER_00]: And even my wife likes how performant it is compared to my previous ones. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hoping they come out with some of those for to the car once too.

35:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So to that can manage the whole thing through here. [SPEAKER_00]: So, Cara, if you're listening, this is the purpose. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I have a Yale Z-wave lock, which I have chose for the reason that wanted to say away from local control, and to the, with Z-wave, I can control the access code.

36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You can do the right code. [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, don't matter. [SPEAKER_01]: Could do that amount? [SPEAKER_01]: The UV-400, I've also got the UV-400 phone, like I already have it installed it yet. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll be looking, won't be installing it until I can at least replicate that functionality.

36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll need to look at that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Rubber Rock, if you are Rubber Rock user and you've been hanging out, the Q10 is now supported, I know if you've been waiting for that to finally come, and speaking of robot vacuums, smart things, has had a lot of improvements as 2022s.4.

36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: big equipments around robot vacuum cleaners so you can now to a whole bunch of different settings around the home with that. [SPEAKER_01]: And there's also some new features being added to the smart things in decoration around dishwashers as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Jelly Finn, so if you're a jelly Finn user, you can now shuffle and queue content for the media player that it provides and you'll have more [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people, you've got a home assistant with proxmox.

37:15 [SPEAKER_01]: There is now uptime duration and a memory usage sensors for proxmox, and there's also runtime entity discovery for nodes, virtual machines, and containers. [SPEAKER_01]: Plus, there is a suspend all button at the node level as well. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's some great little features there for proxmoxmox users.

37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, if that may be a dangerous button to press if, uh, hey, excuse me, hope this isn't running on proxy box, which is then you got to go in and it's not going to break anything. [SPEAKER_00]: You just have to go in and do more work, but have you careful with that? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, [SPEAKER_00]: Voice cleaning areas.

37:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can now start to ask your voice to clean a specific area. [SPEAKER_00]: So our voice is set to clean up some of the areas. [SPEAKER_00]: So go clean the kitchen. [SPEAKER_00]: Great. [SPEAKER_01]: Back to the back of the area assignment last last last last release. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can trigger or assign rooms to areas.

38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you can actually trigger them from your voice. [SPEAKER_01]: That's good. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: When my favorite features of this release has to be the backup upload progress, so when you're uploading a backup, you can see the upload progress for each backup location.

38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The backup page will show you which step is active, so it's creating the backup, it's uploading it. [SPEAKER_01]: And for locations that support it, you'll actually see a per location upload percentage. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's currently supported by Hermiss and Cloud, WebDive, OneDrive, OneDrive for business, and any S3 compatible integrations.

38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: My, I had to do it back up before upgrading to the 20264 beta, and because I was itching to test out these broken changes, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, look, when is this backup going to complete? [SPEAKER_01]: And it was frustrating because I knew like, if I was on 20264, I'd know like what stage my backup was that.

39:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, anyway, we're here now. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: You got there. [SPEAKER_00]: The Markdown card, so now supports tap hold and double tap action, so now that means you can actually use your Markdown card, which is typically just text, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You can use that card to do some user interact developments on there, so navigate or open URLs or call specific actions when you interact with that card.

39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, a whole bunch of new integrations in this release. [SPEAKER_01]: First one, Auto Scope, or which is a German brand I believe, which is actually by their website being in German, I assume it's German. [SPEAKER_01]: But you can integrate your Auto Scope vehicle tracking devices with home assistant, contract the GPS location of the vehicles, and any other assets you're tracking with those devices through their cloud service.

39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But she's actually, I don't mind, like the idea of a GPS tracker on the car, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can see stories all the time in the biggest paper, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, you know, car got sold and they were able to track it with the, you know, GPS system. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

40:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what then becomes like a, a a known, like, like a unknown entity, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's the car at home, it's the car at the service shop, like, where is the car as opposed to, yeah, who's the person driving the car? [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also handy for, again, in my household, like there's not like a my car or my partner's car, which is we have two of us and there's two vehicles.

40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I gravitate towards one of the vehicles, my wife gravitate towards the other, but it's not like sometimes she'll take, so take one vehicle, sometimes she'll take the other one if depending on if I'm working from home or not, or whatever, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, one of the cars gets parked in the garage, one of them stays outside.

40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So doing something like this, it could mean, oh, hey, the vehicle has now arrived at the house, open the garage door, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So through those kind of dimensions, yeah, that's what's actually neat with these guys, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Rather than saying, Rohan has arrived because I might be driving the other car, right?

41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's not, which we park outside. [SPEAKER_00]: So that, you don't necessarily need to tie the person [SPEAKER_00]: doing something simple like opening a garage door on the similar kind of theme low jack so you can connect your low jack by sparian vehicle tracking count track the GPS location of your enrolled vehicles on the home system map.

41:36 [SPEAKER_00]: same kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Different company. [SPEAKER_01]: If you've got a Casper Glow portable sleep light, you can now control it with home assistant over Bluetooth. [SPEAKER_01]: You can adjust brightness levels and you can put their auto dimming sleep into your bedtime automations.

41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So there you go. [SPEAKER_00]: I like that name, it's like the friendly ghost. [SPEAKER_00]: Dropbox. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can now use Dropbox as a backup location for your homocycin backups. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was there already. [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess that's news to me. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the question is there, but I don't think Dropbox backup.

42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but as a backup, I thought you could use it as a backup target, but apparently, can't undo this release. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently, people still using Dropbox in 2026. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess if you pay for the services, I guess it's all right, so I don't know.

42:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Fresh R, fresh R, monitor your fresh R ventilation devices in home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: You can track indoor air quality, scope two levels and ventilation performance all through their cloud dashboard. [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about this in earlier LG's infrared, so being able to use your LG TV using any infrared proxy.

42:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's configured in Home Assistant, so you can send commands over IR to manage a power volume model and stuff input sources and things like that. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it does say here, I'm going to track from out the app version, just for one's day. [SPEAKER_01]: It's also here that you can manage a volume level.

43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, how do you do it over IR? [SPEAKER_01]: Like does it go? [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're trying to set it, you can do step-up step-down. [SPEAKER_01]: But what if you wanted to set it to a certain, like, I want to set it to 20, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Does it then have to press it 100, like press volume down, 100 times to make sure it's at zero, and then push it up to 20.

43:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That probably is what it would do or that's I would think that's how you need to configure it to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: I would assume one command is just one button press on the. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think. [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny, we're so used to like a digital way of thinking, right?

43:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think. [SPEAKER_00]: Not even the old school TVs, even the current like RF based remotes that you have, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You're still. [SPEAKER_00]: going like up or down on the little volume toggle right and but your cue is a visual cue of the of the bar or whatever that says hey I'm at 25 let me go up three steps or whatever that it's right so [SPEAKER_01]: I assume homelessness would track like an assumed state, like if homelessness and previously set the volume to 10, then it's going to assume that the volume stated 10, and no one else would know what it's said it to, right?

44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Homelessism would know how many it went up or how many it went down. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, that that's what I'm saying, but if it's an assumed state, would say I previously said it to 10, I'm going to keep, I'm going to assume it's a 10, I don't only change it by 10. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I'm going to be a relative, right?

44:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be, hey, yeah, so I don't know how that would work, that would be, that's interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: I, my theory is, I don't think there's, [SPEAKER_00]: because there's no feedback, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And in infrared, as far as I know, so I think it's just it's a one way. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you to go up three, right?

44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And whatever you are up three. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this is the challenge for the infrared integration. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're moving forward, like a whole bunch of, you know, is it at the right setting or what if, you know, the infrared command just doesn't get sent. [SPEAKER_01]: I know when I have my back in the day, I was using my harmony uh, remotes to like, you know, control multiple infrared devices.

45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and sometimes like you would hit an action um, and built into the harmony of remotes was a help button. [SPEAKER_01]: It was prominent, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Because all the time, you know, like setting an input, wouldn't work. [SPEAKER_01]: The timings had to be exact. [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's the only draw back to the thing for a ecosystem that we're going to be moving in towards.

45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Open display, you can control your open display barely a paper displays from home assistant devices will automatically be discovered with Bluetooth and you can send images to the display. [SPEAKER_01]: In this place, actually, [SPEAKER_01]: They're getting good. [SPEAKER_01]: There's always been cool, but they're getting really good, especially with things like open display, terminal, which is the next integration, you can monitor your terminal TMR, NL, E-Paper, or E-Inc displays, you know, home system as well, you can be able track battery levels and manage the display sleep schedule of your low power E-Inc devices.

46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They are fantastic use cases for like homes and dashboards like for quick information at a glance like low power like batteries or last years, good for like weather summaries or you know what's on for today like a calendar, I just wish they were so prohibitively expensive. [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully that will change.

46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm gonna put my fist in my mouth at some point as in a year from now when you call me out on this, but I do have a project coming up with a ink display and more and more just around art and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_00]: But, all these things are not cheap, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it is not, and I'm DIYing this one.

47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So, or Xoodle DIYing, but, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when you look to, and we, at CES, Bill, you and I stopped at a few booths that we're talking about these things. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh cool, it looks great. [SPEAKER_00]: How much is it, and it's like, oh, does the small ones like 400 bucks, and I'm just like, wow, you're just casually saying that, it's like, that's not a lot of money, right?

47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and, you know, understanding, and I think it is just that, like the technology is still, [SPEAKER_00]: new, sorry, it's not a new technology at all, but it is still a, like it has an hit, mass scale outside of like, you know, like kindles and cobalt readers and that kind of stuff, right?

47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and from what I understand when you're doing like pictures and those kind of things, I think there's a different quality that that goes into those things. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, in terms of a picture quality, it still doesn't look perfect, right? [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. [SPEAKER_01]: It lends itself great for artistic impressions, paintings, cartoons and stuff.

48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then the color, the color, the ink displays are like... [SPEAKER_00]: regular being displays are very expensive but there is not the worst. [SPEAKER_00]: The color being displays are freaking expensive. [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to put a few of them up around the house and I was like, ah, that's not it.

48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not putting thousands of dollars into this when I could go to IKEA and get like a frame for 30 bucks and get the pictures off even at [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The cube heat pump is also getting an integration this time around, um, this release. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can now monitor your cube, spelled QUB, uh, heat pump, uh, in home assistant and it uses mod bus TCP.

49:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, uh, your standard, uh, protocols that you'd normally use. [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, so now you can track [SPEAKER_01]: Soliman is here, so the Soliman, you can now integrate smart energy devices with home assistance over the local network. [SPEAKER_01]: So you can monitor energy production, consumption, and control devices like smart plugs and meter readers all in real time.

49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is my favorite superhero Soliman. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually a great name. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a piece of it, it's so good. [SPEAKER_00]: Unify access so you can now control and monitor your ubiquity, unify access system locally from home assistance you can manage your locks, doors, access readers, and so on with real-time status updates over the local network.

50:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're not familiar with it, ubiquity also makes its whole line of like. [SPEAKER_00]: card readers and so on and so forth for locking and unlocking doors and stuff around. [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not around your house probably more so in. [SPEAKER_00]: In office environment and I think I mean you could you could totally use around your house nothing.

50:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sorry absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they sell it. [SPEAKER_00]: So some guaranteed somebody's good I integrated in, right, which I actually think is a bad idea by any means like it's [SPEAKER_01]: I remember I was looking at it, and I think the, yeah, they got like fingerprint readers, RFID readers.

50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And three systems, all of the, I think that they have maglocks to maybe, but I'm not sure, they could do it. [SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing, right? [SPEAKER_01]: But it was like, you're paying for it, right? [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, I'll just change the dip hole on my, my tool, I don't think it'll work.

51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we M, uh, Oh, glad you got the, uh, pronunciation. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, integrate your, we M is, we like the Nintendo way with an M on the end. [SPEAKER_01]: Streamer devices with home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: You can control playback, volume, and input sources on devices, like the we M pro and the we M amp.

51:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's all got automatic discovery via zero comfort. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we've got it on home. [SPEAKER_01]: This is only network. [SPEAKER_01]: It'll show up just like that. [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe it's whim, I don't know, it's whim, whim, whim. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, it's a couple of breaking changes.

51:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Or, no, I don't remember what we're for. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it seems one's off breaking. [SPEAKER_00]: African BMW, so if you own a BMW vehicle and it's brought into home assistant as of September 29, 2025, BMW added an additional security measure that blocks third parties, i.e. [SPEAKER_00]: yourself and home assistant from accessing BMW's server.

52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So for you registered vehicles, BMW now provides the card data API, where there's a custom integration that has been developed for that. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not native into home [SPEAKER_00]: To me, really, between the lines, if you're not, if you don't have a EU registered vehicle, you might be at a luck, but definitely.

52:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all for security. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't get any money off you, so I'm going to just shut down, go access to the LIPI. [SPEAKER_00]: BMW is also famously the company that to one of the charges subscription to use your seat heaters on the vehicle. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I think that's [SPEAKER_01]: Duke Energy has changed their authentication providers.

52:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They did that back in November 2025, and the integration has all worked since then, so Mayors will just get cut. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's gone. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. [SPEAKER_01]: 2026.4, shout out to our Patreon members, including our executive producers, Benny and Jason.

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