Living With Home Assistant: The Other Side of the Smart Home

0:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello and welcome to the home assistant podcast, my name is Phil and it joining me as usual. [SPEAKER_02]: I've got Ruham, how you doing mate? [SPEAKER_00]: Hey good, how are you? [SPEAKER_02]: And today we've got Sophia with us, how you going? [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, and good. [SPEAKER_01]: Nice to meet you.

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1:52 [SPEAKER_02]: This has been an episode quite a while, and maybe we'll head you on the wait list for a class of time. [SPEAKER_02]: So, apologies for only just being able to get to you on the list. [SPEAKER_02]: Whereabouts in the world are you joining us from today? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm Mrs. Woodbrook, so can you tell us what has brought you here today?

2:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it actually, it was my boyfriend that was listening to one of your podcasts and he mentioned that you were looking for the partner of the prison that does the automation sort of does the programming? [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, well, you should do it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I signed up for it.

2:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And so here you are, thrown in the big band. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think in the last year, in our December episode with Frank Frank was talking about some of the changes in home. [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, talking about our small homes in general and Frank sort of mentioned like, he would love on the podcast.

2:44 [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the voices we don't get to hear much is from the other side, you know, people in the smart home that, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: the involuntary users of home assistant maybe we can we can say that um yeah so Sophia your boyfriend has used is using home assistant in your home was that were you there from day dot like the dead home assistant always was always in the home and then you join the home or we live together and then one day your boyfriend started to say hey we're gonna start using home assistant like can I have your phone and install an app [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were already living together, and it started with, I think, as everyone with Philips likes, he had what we had at home, and they were not with Home Assistant, and at some point things became too complicated to just be a senior without Home Assistant, so he moved into Home Assistant and that's how we got here.

3:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And eventually we added more things, but yeah, I was there from the beginning. [SPEAKER_00]: interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, how did you first find it when you started using it and, you know, what kind of, what did you love what did you hate? [SPEAKER_01]: I think to the part of how we work together, I mean, my boyfriend lies that we always make decisions together.

3:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So he thought, you know, this is San's school, and I was like, yeah, San's school. [SPEAKER_01]: So for me, anyone's school from the beginning, we thought together about what kind of automation should want to, what kind of functionality does you want to have with them? [SPEAKER_01]: So the light turning on enough when we are in and out of the room was something that [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's a sorry energy use.

4:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was really nice from the beginning, it was helpful. [SPEAKER_00]: Nice. [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, so that's the night. [SPEAKER_00]: So you kept involved and you kind of built it together, sort of speak. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Nice, that's cool. [SPEAKER_02]: So you started with Philips here.

4:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you, when the those Philips here blobs were installed? [SPEAKER_02]: Did you have the Philips here happen as well to control the lights or how are you? [SPEAKER_02]: controlling those lights, but just switches on the wall. [SPEAKER_01]: We have both actually, we have the app, and we also have the switches.

4:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we still have the switches. [SPEAKER_01]: We kept them in Gaster's guests, and it's just awkward. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how to control the lights for if they are on, they want them to turn off. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks like that's a week. [SPEAKER_02]: And so then you migrated over from fill to into home assistant, was that transition, did you find any teething issues with that?

5:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Like having to get used to it a new interface, or holding it up, because there are problems with that. [SPEAKER_01]: Farmly not really, I think, yeah, we're quite into technology anyway, so it's easy to get these two new apps, new things, didn't take that long, I'm not sure if it would have been different if I was older, I don't know, but it was a really problem.

5:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I had your both into technology, you both have technology backgrounds in, like as a profession. [SPEAKER_01]: In a way, so he's a software engineer and I did a PhD in a technological university, but [SPEAKER_01]: kind of mixing the natural sciences and the social sciences part. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

5:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: That's very cool. [SPEAKER_00]: So, when you guys built this kind of automation, well, the home assistant together and with all the automation to everything, was there something where you're like, oh, I like this kind of stuff more, I want to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, okay, well, I like this stuff more, I want to do that.

6:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, or did you guys split it, or was it kind of like a, did you say, okay, like, I'll build it, you tell me what you want to or vice versa or anything like that? [SPEAKER_00]: How did that work? [SPEAKER_01]: A bit of both, like I said, we always talk with each other for making any decisions.

6:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was like, what do you think about this? [SPEAKER_01]: Should we do it this way or do you think that another way would be better? [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's how we went on. [SPEAKER_01]: But for example, with this like, so you have here, like the string color light, he installed them, he made a sense.

6:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he was like, choose the colors that you like, choose the way that they [SPEAKER_01]: we put them into the system then other things like so we have now also a smart blind in our runes and we have the lights on so we just what I mean he put them in the I don't know the programming part so they are connected and then what I did was [SPEAKER_01]: make scenes with Apple Home.

7:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So then I, for example, when we're done getting, you know, showered, there is then everything. [SPEAKER_01]: I just made a scene that all the curtains go up all the lights go off and yeah, that's how we did it. [SPEAKER_02]: If we've got home assistant, you've got apple home. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you like, do you create automations in home assistant yourself?

7:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Or is that only a boyfriend that does the automations in home assistant and you make automations elsewhere? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my boyfriend does it all in home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: If you just firm apple home. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, nice. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, run, I think you've got an effect on us.

7:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got Android, so I don't have Apple Hunt. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: If those other automations then, like, can they run outside of House? [SPEAKER_02]: Or does it basically only like a remote control on the phone? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is it a button? [SPEAKER_00]: No, they can run.

8:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They can run. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, you can put it on the, I think, in an Apple TV, or something like that, right, to, for it to be the gateway, and then you can don't run from wherever. [SPEAKER_01]: Not sure how to reach, but yeah, I can definitely do them from when I'm not home, so sometimes when you're in vacations or when an adoric and I see the lack of concerns are still off, I can't just do it from home and it works.

8:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't from outside, I can't wait. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you build your own stuff in Apple Home, but do you find it ever plashes with what he's building? [SPEAKER_00]: Or is it like, how do you guys keep track of that? [SPEAKER_00]: I know you guys talk to each other, but sometimes you're building something you just forget.

8:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, let me do this. [SPEAKER_00]: and either he's already done it or you've already done it. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think that because we really like the technology will stop the child. [SPEAKER_01]: So when I did the automation, I mean, it was the first, I mean, the scene, it was the first time I did it.

8:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, super excited. [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I did this. [SPEAKER_01]: Now we can just use it with one button and it's all done. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think at least until now there's been a case when the things crash with the child are not compatible. [SPEAKER_02]: Now that you've got a smile on, do you think what would be your feature that you can't live without?

9:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if I can't live without, but it's definitely something that gives me a lot of peace in a way. [SPEAKER_01]: It's that we have door sensors and window sensors. [SPEAKER_01]: So when we're traveling everywhere, we get a notification if the door's open when we're not there and then we should worry.

9:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But also the window sensors, [SPEAKER_01]: We had a situation where we left the windows open because it was somewhere and we just kept the windows open all the time and then suddenly the rain started and we forgot the windows were open and then we went into one of the rooms and it was all full of water and with the windows sensors and now if it's going to rain and the windows are open we get an notification we should close the windows and that's yeah, definitely something very useful.

9:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: So, what do you know what you guys use from a sensory perspective for those kind of stuff? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, is it like, do you know how it connects into homeless assistants that are using Zigbee's E-Wave? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it moves um, mutter over threat and mutter over Wi-Fi?

10:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, so that makes sense because then it connects. [SPEAKER_00]: So then, okay, so that what's interesting here is, [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have homelessness in connected to Apple Home? [SPEAKER_00]: Or do you just join the device in both? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_01]: How, well, it did.

10:36 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a thing, that's a thing. [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the answer, and this is what we wanted to hear, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So from your perspective, so feel it. [SPEAKER_02]: that it just works, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So your boyfriend has set up those devices. [SPEAKER_02]: They somehow connect into home.

10:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You can, they, they somehow also then appear in Apple home and you can put your automations against them. [SPEAKER_02]: Have you, how much input then do you get on smart home devices? [SPEAKER_02]: Do you, like for the example you just had then about the window, [SPEAKER_02]: How did that conversation come up?

11:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you and your boyfriend collectively decide on what sensors to get? [SPEAKER_02]: Or did you just say we need window sensors and your boyfriend just came home with window sensors and they were installed? [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit different, so like I said, he's really also in the technology, so every time there's something new, it's like, oh, what can we do with this, what do you can give it and sometimes we don't have any idea at the moment, but then when this happened, it was like, wait a second, you mentioned there were window, well, this sensors for opening, taking something shopping or a close and I said, maybe that's like a good use case that we can implement it to and that's how it came to.

11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that makes perfect sense, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Like you need to, we just know when the windows are closed, find me the sensors, have them installed, and then we can automate them. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's very good. [SPEAKER_01]: And we also, you should go like if you're doubling or just have nothing to do, we sometimes go to a texture, and see what's around and get ideas for the future, not always buy something, but just get ideas.

12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: do you know in the house what where home is this is if someone said to you today like someone came into your house and they said oh where is home is this isn't running I need to debug something would you know where to look in the home do you have that much visibility into home is this yeah yeah I know where this I wouldn't let anyone to be treated yes that that I was just testing you that's good don't anyone touch home is this [SPEAKER_01]: We tried to give it to you, but yeah, I know where it is and I don't really know how to fix if something goes wrong though, but I know where it is.

12:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Has there ever been a situation where her missing isn't running that you've walked into the home? [SPEAKER_02]: You know her missing is running because an automation hasn't fired and you haven't been able to debug it yourself. [SPEAKER_01]: There was one time that, yeah, something happened.

13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the electricity went off or something. [SPEAKER_01]: And then it was not everything in the house. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just we built a magic mirror. [SPEAKER_01]: and the magic mirror was not working and that was it but now I have no idea how to do that but luckily it was also not like a very essential part of our living so just okay and I think that for other things like the light for example we do have the switches so if everything fails we have like a manual option yeah that makes sense now I want to know a little more about this magic mirror [SPEAKER_00]: You said, you guys built it yourself, so what was that process like, and I'd love to know how you use it or what you throw on there too.

13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it started actually with, we had two old computers. [SPEAKER_01]: My reference mom was like, can you please get rid of this computer safely? [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, maybe I can use this for something interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: So we had these two laptops, and she kind of separated the displays.

14:07 [SPEAKER_01]: and put the connected them to each other to one motherboard and then I think he put Linux into it and made some things via home system with some AI as well and yeah we how they together we build the frame with put a spike loss I think it's called like one way mirror so the mirror comes in the screen turn it back and we can see what's in the screen.

14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that in a bathroom? [SPEAKER_01]: No, we have it in a room where we get the next door closet. [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you show on it? [SPEAKER_01]: We have the weather, the temperature. [SPEAKER_01]: So you have the temperature, the time, the date, and we also put the calendar on the bottom, and there's also the greeting, like I said, in a part, it's [SPEAKER_01]: randomly generated reading that goes up every hour, it changes up every hour and just supposed to say something like hi there or like [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, something cute, but it was a very cheap AI and with very little memory for the Mercedes so sometimes comes up with very random funny things and we decided just to keep it because it's just always a funny to get in there and see what random thing is coming up.

15:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're creating it, it's pretty good, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really in my favorite part, I think, with the things we've put into the house, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it sounds like it. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's funny because it's almost like, you guys, whether on purpose or accidentally through the say I made this like really fun, cool, useful thing, right?

15:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was kind of an accident in the message, but yeah, it's really cool and the temperatures were great for knowing what to, where when we're going out, how to dress, what's things to take with us. [SPEAKER_02]: Have you found with Apple Home? [SPEAKER_02]: Are there any automations that you can't do from your phone that you've had to ask a boyfriend to then try and build in a home assistant?

16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we have the oven. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that you had to build it from... [SPEAKER_01]: the beginning, the automation so like but in specific times and schedules for turning it down for how long but temperature. [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean once he did it, it's already from very for me to use in the upper home, yeah.

16:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's, yeah, there might be some edge cases where Apple homes limited, ask a boyfriend to set it up and then you can then access it from your side. [SPEAKER_02]: Have you used much of the home assistant app or are you only in Apple home? [SPEAKER_01]: No, I've gone into home assistant because we also have solar panels and we have other things that we like to start with.

17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: There's extra energy or [SPEAKER_01]: stuff like that so then I can enter the ham system visualization board and see that but also there's been cases when we lived with other people before in the house and there was sometimes a door shop and you know when it was not supposed to be open so then we I also went into there to check the motion sensors and see when was the last motion record that there and stuff like but just to look at it not really to everything [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's fine.

17:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So one of the stigmas or that home assistant has is that home Mrs is still very much a technical user's tool. [SPEAKER_02]: Would you agree with that or would you say that it is to a point where home Mrs is intuitive enough for someone that's not very technical to use? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's quite intuitive.

17:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everything has its title. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not up down, so it's easy to find it and will take me for a long to find those things. [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I think it's quite a game. [SPEAKER_02]: And you're using the home, this is companion up for yourself to monitor energy levels, are you so you're not editing those dashboards or editing any of the config, you're purely there to log in and view those statistics.

18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, go to the menu or find the actual individual thing you're looking for or do you guys have like a display with like a common more common stuff like the energy production and all of those kind of things. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you guys do that? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have both. [SPEAKER_01]: We have a display that, again, we've been made where we can see the graphs of what's happening, but it's in one of the rooms.

18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm in another room and I want to check it and I do it from my phone. [SPEAKER_01]: So it really depends on the situation. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's possible, but heavy thought of maybe bringing that data into Apple. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't know if you actually even can, but into Apple home, so that you don't have to [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever thought about it?

19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's possible, but yeah, it's also to be honest, not that much of a problem. [SPEAKER_01]: It's on my phone anyway. [SPEAKER_01]: So just one swipe and it's there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: It's there. [SPEAKER_02]: Have you attempted to create an automation in the home assistant company that before?

19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not really. [SPEAKER_01]: I have someone that does it for [SPEAKER_02]: Homesses has tried very hard and I would encourage you to pass your boyfriend to sit down with you and watch you create an automation. [SPEAKER_02]: They've tried very hard to make, particularly with some of the latest releases, to make home-messisant more intuitive and more Apple home-like-ish.

19:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So, when creating an automation, you would specify when this happens and this condition is true to this. [SPEAKER_02]: From your perspective, I would find it very fascinating to know if you find that harder or less intuitive than Apple Home. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's going to be an exact comparison between the two.

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21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Not anything that comes to my mind. [SPEAKER_01]: I think everything has been working quite well. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think one time when I had the issue that really lost the battery in one of the window sensors, but yeah, that was it. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we're lying on that without checking, but nothing really big.

22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you guys do any like? [SPEAKER_00]: Again, talking about you guys as a couple, did you guys do any like movie mode or like a date night mode or something like that and what what did you guys do it in almost a center and apple [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if he did it through homocyst and I have it, I can access it through the bully UI.

22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, yeah, I guess he did it because I didn't do it. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we have a movie time and the likes team, the greetings, girls and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_00]: That's neat. [SPEAKER_00]: What I like about kind of how you guys have it set up so far is [SPEAKER_00]: you know, he builds whatever he wants to build and you do it same, but then you both access it the way you're both comfortably using, right?

23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like again, you prefer out the home. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it is... [SPEAKER_00]: easier, better UI, and, again, depending on who you ask, but it's something that works better for you, versus your boyfriend prefers the more customized, whatever he wants to use there, and, you know, he runs out in that home season, but it's the same kind of thing working in tandem.

23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's... [SPEAKER_00]: You know, design-wise, that's a great experience, right for everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure, it let me access it when I was on the use to my phone to Apple. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess also before, I don't know, since when it's improved and become an issue intuitive, but we have this for quite a while already, so.

23:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got prison senses, smart lights in the home. [SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel about cameras? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't have them in our house, but we were thinking of having them like in the door and you know, show if someone rings a bell and we can see who they see if we want to open or if we do not.

24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And we were also thinking of getting smart luck, so then if we were not home and there's someone with a package or something we can just let me in from. [SPEAKER_02]: Because you've been able to see a bit behind the scenes, you know, you're very involved in setting up automations. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any concerns with privacy around the smartphone?

24:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Because home assistant is collecting a lot of data. [SPEAKER_02]: It knows what room you're in at what time. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, as far as I know everything is run locally, at least it's what I hear all the time, and then when we've gotten new technologies, I know for a fact that brother has been checking that it's all stays locally, so yeah, that way, that way.

24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious, is that important to you? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you care? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you just want it to work? [SPEAKER_01]: To me, something that I know I should worry about, that I don't personally really worry about. [SPEAKER_01]: I think my boyfriend cares more about that than I do. [SPEAKER_01]: I know that he could be dangerous in some situations, but then again, we're in the middle and so I think that here we are quite safe, we're probably still in some areas, maybe.

25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I would worry more, but yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of color comes down to also to be like the idea of Jeff Bezos' bit or a Google right being able to just see living patterns, right, what time you get up in the morning and how often you get up in the night, some people really get concerned about that.

25:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's valid, you know, we don't need all these data points on us by companies owning that data and that's where, you know, ensuring everything's local comes into play. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's good to see, like, from your perspective, as another non- Heremesis and user, like, is that important to you or not?

26:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And for you, you say, oh, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, at the very understand the same way other things, my computer and on my phone, I actually keep the Google maps location always on because I always like to see what places I've been to and what time and one date. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really on all freaking that way.

26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: For me, that's why I've received parts. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and those are the features that are nice. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's nice to go back to the timeline and go, hey, I forgot about that place. [SPEAKER_01]: But I completely understand that people don't like that.

26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And it makes sense. [SPEAKER_01]: I do don't want everyone to know where you've been when you've been. [SPEAKER_01]: And I like something. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, as you're on the apple home side of things, not necessarily on the home assistant side, do you feel when home assistant gets updated?

26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I know some people complain when there's an home assistant update being released, if they won't release, they won't update to the immediate release, because they assume it's going to be buggy. [SPEAKER_02]: Can you feel, you know, maybe light stone turn off and off as expected, when there's been a new update to the home, or do you not have any visibility and things have never experienced an issue with home assistant, where you've had to say your boyfriend has something changed, why isn't this working anymore?

27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been a couple of times when something like that hasn't, but to be honest, I don't know if it has to do with there have been an update or not. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I said last time, it turned out that the electricity was gone for a while, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, I don't know if it has to do with the update in upper home or not.

27:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's interesting. [SPEAKER_02]: Would you say in your opinion that your smartphone is stable, that home and by extension then home Mrs is stable, that you don't run into many issues, it's never been, you never had to call your boyfriend as I say, hey, home is not working, can you fix it?

27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's quite stable. [SPEAKER_01]: We've really had any progress in that way. [SPEAKER_01]: It's been smooth for almost a little time. [SPEAKER_00]: Changing gears a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys use voice in the home? [SPEAKER_00]: And if so, like, what do you guys use?

28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, do you prefer a series? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, obviously being an apple because a stem or does your, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: Did you poor friend use something else like these when he uses the other or do you guys have some like whole home ones that up for their second Amazon I go or move a little.

28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you have an Apple Homebooth and an Apple Mini in different rooms so we use that for the first one too and their phones of course you have everything above and so. [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just you don't want one way where do I want to say and then it's [SPEAKER_00]: You know, works for everybody, everywhere kind of thing.

28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask you this too. [SPEAKER_00]: So what is that hooked up to? [SPEAKER_00]: They hooked up to your Apple. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we hooked up to Apple Home, which is, hooked up to Home Assistant, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like a couple of jumps. [SPEAKER_00]: Or does it go right through into Home Assistant?

28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't have an Apple HomePod side. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't actually know what that would look like. [SPEAKER_01]: No idea. [SPEAKER_00]: That's works. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's quite fast as well. [SPEAKER_01]: There's not really any delay in that.

29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you got any plans for the future that you would like to see you in a boyfriend of work on for the smart home? [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything in the future that you would like automated that is not embedded today? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the lock thing that I mentioned also we want to put Stimperter controllers for in regulating the temperature inside our house at the different rooms.

29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think those are the next options I have. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually we were getting an electric car recently, but our house is, I don't know, like typical to the house, but we didn't really have like a driveway to charge the car. [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, I really want to find a car that has connected to Apple Home and with Home Assistant, sorry, with Home Assistant, and that I can control everything there.

30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, but we can't even charge it at home, so that what's the point? [SPEAKER_01]: But he was really into that. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's so you don't have any like straight parking is it only straight parking or a living in an apartment and there's no And yeah, there's just a straight parking story in the side of work parking [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's frustrating if you don't have like a driveway to put a car on like particularly for EVs, right, and I think this is an issue.

30:30 [SPEAKER_02]: In Australia, some companies and some councils or local government areas are starting to allow power companies to install on the power poles, electric charging points for vehicles. [SPEAKER_02]: so that you can just plug directly into the pole or a little power strip going that will allow you to put a power strip underneath the footboard or footpath or sidewalk.

30:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can get your car charged if you don't have a note your own driveway. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that would have been cool to have this connection between their house to solar panels the guy and everything you have in the cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it'd be amazing, all right? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and then you'll be able to do things like, you know, if you're having access surgery in the day, let's charge the car now.

31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Make it all day, you son of a thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when you mentioned that you would like to have more control over the climate in the house. [SPEAKER_02]: Have you already got a central control unit for the house that you can can automate and you just need to buy those controllers or are you looking at buying a whole new system that you're then going to integrate into home is that?

31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, would have to get everything from Sierra's or a whole new system. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's right, still on the outlet. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so when that decision comes, it will home Mrs. of connectivity be a priority for you. [SPEAKER_02]: It has to connect to home Mrs. of before you go down that route.

31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's how since we're moving to home system, that's how we've been thinking of everything with every role or a new technology that we get into our house. [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny how you have this random free tool that you start using and you're now starting designing everything around it, right?

32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like that tool being all the assistant, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, yeah, it has to work, but this otherwise, sorry, no, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of a window. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's nice to have everything working together and you already know how it works.

32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And it works well and you just have to keep the integration. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think you've got to go back to a non-romesis in home now? [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you were, let's say you had to move house for a reasonable reason tomorrow and you had to start from scratch. [SPEAKER_02]: How quickly would it be before you have to have a system back in your life?

32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess we'll want to go back question because we do use it a lot for I guess at almost everything we have the dishwasher, we have the laundry machine, we have the oven, we have the lights, we have the curtains, everything is. [SPEAKER_01]: Control by it, so I think... Yeah, everything's gonna be good.

33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's useful next our life is here. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I could live without it, but you know, it's always nice to have it like this. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to live without it though? [SPEAKER_02]: Now that you've had the experience, the taste of my assistant, do you want to live without it?

33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, you know, I want to, you know, give me this and add more things and you do. [SPEAKER_02]: I know, like, I'm sure my wife will be the same, like, you know, I could live without it, but it's nice to kind of. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, when I was living, yeah, back home.

33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a bit less safe as well, so I think that if I had back then the door sensors and all these extra things I would have maybe felt better, so definitely would like to have that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: And do you guys still worry about that? [SPEAKER_00]: Like from a safety perspective and all that stuff where are you in a better area?

34:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, [SPEAKER_00]: or how does that work? [SPEAKER_00]: Now, like, again, you talked about having door sensors and window sensors and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: So, so you do still have kind of safety as in one of your pillars, or is it just more for knowledge? [SPEAKER_00]: And just to say, hey, is the door open or closed?

34:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's more knowledge here, like, I said, now we're living in an Netherlands. [SPEAKER_01]: He's already large amount. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, here it's very safe to, it's just knowledge, but, um, like, it's always nice and up. [SPEAKER_02]: What advice would you give home-missive-scent users, so not the actual people like your boyfriend in this case, but what advice would you give to your boyfriend's of the home-missive community for keeping the rest of the household happy?

34:54 [SPEAKER_02]: There was one golden rule. [SPEAKER_01]: Are you guessing communication because it would just be a line you should just don't think that I don't like and then I have to live with it and I couldn't control it myself and would be then I'll try to find a way but yeah, I think communication is definitely the most important part of this.

35:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you've nailed that well. [SPEAKER_02]: Like the fact that you two are building the automations together and basically building up the smart home together, it's not a one-sided thing in your home and I think that is fantastic. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it also we have that, we know now this like, um, I romanticised here for the house.

35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Dini from rituals and he just wanted to connect it to homocystened for random reasons and then we did it together. [SPEAKER_01]: We flashed I think to called the Dini with the SB home and after what I was like okay well now we have this now we can make it that every time I get home [SPEAKER_02]: And then you get to rip the benefits from it.

36:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You get to essentially have it the way you want based on that, right, it means. [SPEAKER_00]: But if I love that it's not a competitive thing, it's a collaborative thing, right, if that makes sense. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure, that definitely makes it a positive experience.

36:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what advice would you give a someone that's living in your home is home, but they may not be as invested in the technology. [SPEAKER_02]: Would you have any advice for someone that, you know, they live in a smartphone, but that really care for a smartphone and how to interact with the home or how to a bit piece in a smartphone.

36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it would have to be, you know, talking with each other, if maybe then more inputs or more. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say I wouldn't be invested in it, and I would have a problem, or there was something that I was always complaining about, or that I don't like, it would really nice if my girlfriend was like, hey, but actually you can solve this with her insistent, if I don't think about it, let the team put comes from the other side, maybe it would be helpful, but...

37:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so if you thank you so much for responding to our call for guests to come on, I guess the other side of the fence. [SPEAKER_02]: Like we, as I said, the first time we've had someone be willing to come on and talk from the other side of the fence. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for coming on the show today.

37:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And thank you for using home assistant and being in one of the, you know, home assistant two million home. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's at least two million three million other people. [SPEAKER_02]: out there that are also in a similar situation, right? [SPEAKER_02]: They have a partner or someone else in the home that has created a home with a smart home and they're living in it, which is fantastic.

37:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you for having me. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a nice stuck. [SPEAKER_02]: You too. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Of course. [SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate it.