Mapping all the changes in Home Assistant 2026.10

0:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello and welcome to the Homesteads and podcast for 2026.10. [SPEAKER_01]: My name is Phil and as usual I've got a run with me. [SPEAKER_01]: How are you? [SPEAKER_01]: Good, are you? [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get started, here's a quick word from our sponsor. [SPEAKER_01]: Homesteads and Link by Nabukasa.

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1:52 [SPEAKER_01]: If a deep into home assistant or just getting started, definitely check them out at ApolloAutomation.com. [SPEAKER_01]: We're on 26.10, I see that was good, just then, but I've just noticed as I was doing those ad reads there, my voice is dropping, your voice is dropping today, I think we've both, even around the side of the world, we're both somehow, both sick, so it's the same time as a commonality, there you go.

2:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a season change for both of us, so it's just out there. [SPEAKER_01]: and on our recording weekend of all the hints to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll do our best apologies for the nasal voices today. [SPEAKER_01]: But starting off with some headphones before we dive into 2026.10.

2:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Some headlines around time, assistant, and of course my home stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: big one we have to talk about is home assistant community day november 7th it is now in full swing if you are looking for a local meetup getting involved open home foundation dot org go to the loom up events page and find a event happening in your city [SPEAKER_01]: I am hosting the first community day happening here in Melbourne and I've already got waitlist entries happening and I'm looking for venue options.

3:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got over 20 guests registered so I'm looking to find a bigger space and working with open home. [SPEAKER_01]: I just get a bigger space approved so yeah, do get on a waitlist there if you want to come and meet me and meet some other people down here in Melbourne. [SPEAKER_01]: I think this also won an Adelaide Brisbane and potentially I've seen another potential office Sydney as well.

3:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's Australia, this New Zealand, this whole bunch happening across Europe, Doug from Shelley's hosting one in Florida, I believe, and TJ from HomeTech.fm is hosting another one in Ohio. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's plenty around to go to, so do check that out. [SPEAKER_01]: We're on Jeff Plans for November 7th.

3:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, tentatively I might be trying to make the one in Ohio, if not, then maybe there's one in Toronto, I can either start or go to so that is I know on the [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the homeless is in discord, TJ and Justin from all automation were like, hey, Rohan, you and Gavin come in and so like, maybe, yeah, actually not against that.

4:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see, maybe I haven't gotten a chance to chat with Gavin yet about it, but maybe that's something we do. [SPEAKER_00]: But if not in the trip, you spin one up in Toronto and do it locally, if we can't throw whatever reason. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's a good idea. [SPEAKER_00]: super fun, super, you know, get everybody together, do all that.

4:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that'll be a ton of fun. [SPEAKER_00]: So you should try and check one out if you can. [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing you may have noticed in our adread, home assistant cloud is now a home assistant link. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny because we were talking about this on the creator call, but then I also saw a [SPEAKER_00]: the public announcement where, uh, where it came out, I think I saw it on like Instagram or something like that.

4:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it should get ads too. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, and this is very hard on the ads. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, it's the worst thing in the whole community ads, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, host one in cancer today, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, uh, but the home assistant link one, it's funny.

5:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, because cloud has such a negative, [SPEAKER_00]: connotation, especially with this community, our community, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, with the hostess in community because of a lot of, you know, the closure shutdowns, pay walls, whatever that is, homelessness really wanted to change the narrative on that.

5:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it's homelessness in the link now, rather than homelessness in the cloud. [SPEAKER_00]: And there, I love how they're openly, challenging that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what? [SPEAKER_00]: It's starting with policies as famous saying of FVCs. [SPEAKER_00]: And then now it's, it's coming after the cloud on just the lack of local or potentially data mining you and whatever that is, right?

5:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So privacy or control, whatever that looks like. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so I mean, a whole system wants to double down on the fact that, or a double castle wants to double down on the fact that it is actually not, [SPEAKER_00]: about that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's just to get you connected and to get you a little easier functions.

6:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And Phil and I both use it. [SPEAKER_00]: We both love a home assistant link. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, I actually like the name change. [SPEAKER_00]: Usually I'm like, let's just point less how much do you pay on branding, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think I think there is a [SPEAKER_00]: There is a reason to do it this way, and especially as cloud is becoming more of a bad word around this community, I think it does make sense to not do that because again To homelessness point, you can run it entirely without homelessness out, right, or to network access, but you can run it entirely without homelessness cloud.

6:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I, I, I, I, I like it. [SPEAKER_01]: There will be some places where it is still referred to cloud. [SPEAKER_01]: I believe October's second was the public announcement that you're starting to see in those Instagram ads that will be a blog post about it up now, but in the in 2026.10, at least the panel is still called the cloud panel.

7:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Officially thinking December is when the hope you've had everything switched over to rebrand. [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. isn't yet rebranded to link. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there you go, little under the nothing changes functionality wise, it's just a little change of cloud to link now talking about the cloud, this is almost a cloud structure again, you know, but we should almost dust off the the old theme there and plan this, but [SPEAKER_01]: I think we need to, a worth mentioning, you've probably already seen it, it's old news by now, but if you missed it, somehow LG TVs, the YouTube channel game is Nexus has discovered some really shocking stuff being done by LG TVs.

7:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They have microphone, some of the new models have microphones built into the actual TV unit itself, so they display. [SPEAKER_01]: And if you've got a magic remote [SPEAKER_01]: it can also use the microphone to essentially record conversations happening in your living room or wherever the TV is in your home.

8:19 [SPEAKER_01]: To the point where, you know, the game is next as we're recording their YouTube video, they unplugged the TV from everything, like Ethan A cable, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_01]: They then plugged it back in to look at the data on the TV itself and there was a direct recording that just switched from [SPEAKER_01]: they're recording on their cameras to the recording that was being done by this disconnected TV on the network.

8:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty shocking. [SPEAKER_01]: I was a bit taken out of the, okay, I've been a big supporter of the LG brand on this podcast, and in my home, because of the weight integrates into home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: I love the notification platform that the TV web OS offers. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that LG have [SPEAKER_01]: and also now have an official integration that they are building with home assistant at haven't made attempts to shut down the community version of the LG integration.

9:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So they have fridges, washing machines all connected through their thin IQ app, which is available inside home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this, this was bad. [SPEAKER_01]: This was a really bad. [SPEAKER_01]: They've tried to do some very sloppy attempts at PR to recover from this.

9:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen the PR attempt. [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen the story I've heard about, I think for you and I haven't talked about it at some point. [SPEAKER_00]: But what was the PR attempts? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what was their robust- Stand-standard stuff like, you know, oh, it's not used if you opt out of this, you know, or if you, [SPEAKER_01]: don't have this enabled.

9:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was something like also. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't if there's no introduction, we won't be able to upload that. [SPEAKER_00]: The problem was also, they can't upload it, they're still collecting it until such a time when you do connect it at that point. [SPEAKER_00]: But this also goes back to that whole a lot of people, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you spend a lot less money buying the less smart TV and just use a, I don't know, Apple TV and video shield or whatever third party, a third, like an external device to play your media right a lot of times it is better because like depending on the I don't know how LGBTQ is our for Wi-Fi and stuff, but [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, so I'm just going to be a struggle.

10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Just on the Wi-Fi there, if you don't connect your LG TV to Wi-Fi, right? [SPEAKER_01]: You leave it as a dumped TV, is it stuck around? [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to record you and actively scan for an open Wi-Fi connection. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're near a public Wi-Fi hotspot, it will connect automatically to that public hotspot and then upload the recordings and then disconnect itself.

11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so forget, forget the BS. [SPEAKER_00]: reasons, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what, what are you trying to do, L. T. Like, like, like, forget, forget, forget the PR or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: This is just, yeah, and I don't know why, but I feel like somebody else potentially stamps.

11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not throwing accusations out there, but this feels like deja vu. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there was somebody else that did this a while ago. [SPEAKER_00]: And something like this came out a while ago with another manufacturer.

11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say what say I'm saying, but I could be very wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: And I apologize to say I'm sorry if I am. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, um, [SPEAKER_00]: where it was like, you know, hey, your TV is watching you, essentially, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Was that, and then this was a few, a couple of years ago.

11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, oh, this is off the back of LG TV through a, I may, this is where you're seeing it in previous press releases, I think, so a big high rapid LG TV had actually said, you know, we are in the glass. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's that, too. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and they're using what you're watching on the TV, they take screenshots of what you're watching, uploading it to their servers, analyzing it.

12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're watching camera thrones, broken bad, they can tell what scene the upload, like the screenshot is from and then can apply, okay, this family likes watching this style of show. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, here's your marketing, which they then on sell too. [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like whoever.

12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but it also to me for years, we've always thought like our performance of this new to us, how can I be talking about a conversation with Rohan about this and then all of a sudden getting a Facebook ad for it. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the proof that this is actually happening, right?

12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, yeah, it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's wild, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like when we're, when we're, yeah, this whole thing is so frustrating with, with, you know, and a reputable company like LG, like they are, call it what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, between them, Samsung, and, you know, I can't follow other companies.

12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They are kind of your trusted, hey, this is my TV brand. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm washing machine brands, my whatever, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, and I mean, if you look at South Korea, it is these two brands dominate, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And everything you buy is them. [SPEAKER_00]: They have like cities that are just their employees and whatever, right?

13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's really unfortunate to see that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hopefully there's not as much crappy things and hopefully they do better and just come out and say, hey guys, you're right, you got us our bad and then here's what we're doing to fix it and then actually follow through on that fix, right?

13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully they do that in an open way. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's two things here for me, one is, [SPEAKER_01]: I've got the TV for its integration into home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: People will be like, all right, that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to disconnect my LGTV. [SPEAKER_01]: Unplug it, disconnect it from the Wi-Fi.

13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have public Wi-Fi around, I'm fine. [SPEAKER_01]: But what are you going to do with that TV? [SPEAKER_01]: What are you going to make it smart again? [SPEAKER_01]: How are you going to go back and watch Netflix? [SPEAKER_01]: Are you just going to plug in Amazon, Fire TV, into that TV?

14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You can be the same conundrum. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, just giving a data to Jeff instead of LJ. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then the argument becomes, well, who I'm more comfortable given my private information, dude, I trust more, right? [SPEAKER_00]: The answer should be nobody.

14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you're right. [SPEAKER_00]: There are. [SPEAKER_00]: I know there are a lot of folks like, again, the problem is a lot of these are based on Google TV as well, right, or Android TV. [SPEAKER_00]: And again, do you dress Google to not do this? [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, maybe, like, there's hopefully enough controls and there where you can stop it, but yeah, I don't know.

14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, I feel like at least with that kind of stuff, you can start the firewall off stuff and do all that. [SPEAKER_00]: So potentially, potentially something you can look at there, too. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if somebody has come out with a set of firewall rules, but now again, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, [SPEAKER_00]: If the TV's still scanning for open SSIDs around you, I don't know, maybe it's also what you talked to your neighbors, but if you live above like a coffee shop or something, you're at a down for it in that sense, right?

15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there are some firewalls. [SPEAKER_01]: There's six almost published some ports. [SPEAKER_01]: You can block and some web addresses to also block and I haven't done that yet because I don't want to break the integration I have with home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping when I do get around to it won't break, but [SPEAKER_00]: So one thing around is there's a lot of TVs have serial connections, right?

15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You can, that you can leverage. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, something to look at is, is that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: To say, okay, well, maybe I have some kind of a serial adapter like an extra home assistant. [SPEAKER_00]: and use that right so I think that might be helpful at least to try and get whatever just trying to get some a little more privacy so that now you can block the TV off the internet and then still control that turn it on such channels whatever if you have ever worked with commercial TVs pretty much all of them have a straight serial port in the back right so you [SPEAKER_00]: which I miss this year started supporting maybe for sure just timing that's right so yeah just yeah shame on you LLG do better um all right Shelley so this has been a little uh controversial almost um Shelley now is they're getting acquired by Schneider Electric um

16:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was for 1.2 billion euros and it's still going through the system like so you know typically when these kind of things happen you need approvals regulatory whatever make sure it's not and to competitive whatever whether it's in the US or otherwise. [SPEAKER_00]: In this case.

17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I think status in American company, shelly's the European company. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I guess, go into both sides of the regulators. [SPEAKER_00]: Once all that happens, the plan is potentially around early 2027, the sales going to be completed. [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of community members had a lot of concerns about this, right?

17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And I personally I think it's warranted a lot of times when stuff like this, when you have this, like, really cool product that's like, hey, you know, we're getting bought out by somebody else. [SPEAKER_00]: that somebody else isn't necessarily, I don't want to say, again, I don't know Schneider Electrics stands on openness or local or any of that stuff, so I don't want to comment on that, but typically it's, to me, it's an unknown party, and that's, that's, [SPEAKER_00]: more concerning than a known good if that makes sense, right?

17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So Shelley, a lot of people love Shelley's. [SPEAKER_00]: I know there was talk in one of the WebEx channels we have about a whole automation and in that WebEx channel people were talking about like, hey, you know, this is going to be a problem, you know, what do we do? [SPEAKER_00]: We do have to remember that the Shelleys are still, they're still local first, right?

18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, a lot of people are talking about like, hey, flashing Tasmoda and like, you know, doing that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I don't know that you necessarily even need to go that far, right? [SPEAKER_00]: They are, they are still, uh, they are still local first.

18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't want to use the cloud, you can just block Shelleys cloud, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And I, I'm pretty sure Shelleys even tells you how to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: And then for those of you that don't know, we had Doug from Shelley on, I don't know, you're year and a half ago, maybe, something like that, probably about a year and a half ago now.

18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And episode 199, if you'd just sit back in August of 2020, drive, oh, there you go, perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not as concerned about it. [SPEAKER_00]: If you already have the Shelley, you know, whatever, a Shelley relates or anything, Shelley today, again, I can't, I don't even want to speculate what Schneider will do with it.

19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times, they just leave these kind of companies as in to say, hey, you go do it yourself. [SPEAKER_00]: And, okay, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I don't want to assume the worst, just yet, until we have more information. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, what are your thoughts, Phil?

19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think acquisitions can always be a bit of a curveball. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what is coming down. [SPEAKER_01]: The good thing is that Schneider do have a whole bunch of brands that they already own. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is just another brand joining, I think, and compared to other brands that Schneider have, [SPEAKER_01]: and the larger footprint that Schneider has, Shelley is a small fish going into a big pond here.

19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So there is some more into, you know, Shelley will get access to bigger resources, you know, from distribution and research, and all that from the Schneider side, just correct you for us like they ever hunt Schneider is a French company, not American. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting, thank you so much.

20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, as part of those broader brands that should not have, we have to remember that a lot of them that they already have do already have local stuff that they support. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Lips, for example, is a Schneider Electric brand. [SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of Zigby stuff and other C-bus and other open protocols.

20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's other companies in there too that have open standards. [SPEAKER_01]: I am, I'm not too worried that they're just going to go, like, one of the things Shelley has going for it right is that brand loyalty from its customers and even Doug said itself on that episode, H.A.199, if you're interested, that Shelley does give a lot of weight to her assistant and the home assistant community for, you know, helping Shelley grow and that was because [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it would be a very misstep for Schneider to go ahead and pay walls up and just abandon local control, Shshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshsh

21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I believe whatever is currently in the pipeline for three years and the teams have a staff that are here. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not calling it a sale on anything. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Correct. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That's been a lot of coming up from going out to the public and saying, hey, you know what?

21:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not, we're not changing too much just yet. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: There's been three years from there. [SPEAKER_01]: So what happens in the 2030s? [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's what he's saying. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and one of the co-founders of Shelley went out on Facebook and just put this pretty long post which I did take the time to read and essentially it's, he was basically saying kind of what I said it was like, guys, it's still local, right?

22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So even if we want to do we, we're not, we can't, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, if you're that concerned, block Shelley Cloud right now, I think I'm pretty sure the [SPEAKER_00]: block it so that they can't force a firmware update or do something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, again, I don't see them doing that, but it's, you know, I don't think it's as big of an issue.

22:41 [SPEAKER_00]: At least today, maybe their future products, again, time will tell. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think they're existing products. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we got to remember too. [SPEAKER_00]: It actually takes time and effort and dollars to build out this, [SPEAKER_00]: this piece for monetizing it too, right?

22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So do they want to do that potentially? [SPEAKER_00]: And how's it think Schneider's just too big, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, like, chances are, again, have working for a very large company, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Acquisitions are easy, merger. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, taking their technologies and adapting it into your stuff is a lot harder.

23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and maybe it's not just it's happy for Shelley to stay at local and that is their local solution as part of their ecosystem. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying they might, I mean, easy button here might be just monetized the Shelley cloud or something like that.

23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But essentially, but that still leaves you with a local option, right, which that's why it's better to have a local option. [SPEAKER_00]: And again, a lot of their devices support multi-protocol, like Zigbee's E-Wave, Bluetooth, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: Madda, great. [SPEAKER_00]: Use that.

23:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, matter exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's, that's, personally, that's why I'm less concerned about about that. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, feedback from my previous episodes. [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to everyone who left a comment or emailed into me about iOS notifications. [SPEAKER_01]: I previously complained that I couldn't [SPEAKER_01]: ping my wife's iPhone, when she loses it around the home where I lost the ability to do that.

24:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This bike's 5, sent me actually over some Yamil code and he mentioned that they use the sound fanfar.caf for the sound as they found it to be the latest sound. [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: As a fun side note, it makes it easy to find her in a store if you get separated. [SPEAKER_01]: and she absolutely loves when I do that.

24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I can only imagine. [SPEAKER_01]: So do be careful what you use it for. [SPEAKER_01]: Stephen emailed in and said, I actually using it for paging. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a dashboard tile card for critical notifications where I can type in a message and send a notification to anyone or everyone in the house.

24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a cool. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a, a cool to lose. [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, everyone. [SPEAKER_01]: Or Rohan, you're an iOS user, um, you're an iOS family. [SPEAKER_01]: Where were you like, in that last episode? [SPEAKER_01]: Where were you like, I feel I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I, I was honestly, I was probably sick or something to me.

25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me rant a lot and ask you for advice and it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's what's funny is I do use critical notification. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, right now I don't because I had to rebuild my home assistant and I have no notifications, but in theory I do use critical notifications for that kind of theft.

25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So I had it for like, if motion detected or any of that kind of thing, uh, when I'm not home. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but the, the, the finding the iPhone bit the critical notification totally makes sense. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, and that's an easy solution because we have the throw all there.

25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I have the the app for my wife is installed. [SPEAKER_01]: It's ready to go bit of YAML or in the UI. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just copy the YAML over into the UI editor and and away it goes essentially. [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so far I've only had to use it once and just for testing and it worked.

25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So, thank you for helping me upgrade that notification. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe actually maybe that's, uh, I don't know if we're, is there anything private in the, in the yellow or is that something we can share? [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I will share some Yamu. [SPEAKER_01]: Take a picture.

26:13 [SPEAKER_00]: No, there's something. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: That way, if if other folks want to do this, Great. [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: It should probably make it a blueprint. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a good point. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll look for a blueprint for us. [SPEAKER_01]: That seems like someone's already created that. [SPEAKER_01]: I just need to link to that instead. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll find an applicable blueprint and share it if it's there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to those folks.

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28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get new colors, more themes for the maps and you can, you know, you can even color the maps the way you like. [SPEAKER_00]: It's in YAML. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that it, I'm not going to say it's. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look easy to do that, but, again, I haven't tried it myself, maybe it is.

28:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Their markers have been redesigned. [SPEAKER_00]: People can appear using their profile pictures. [SPEAKER_00]: The zones can look a little better. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's cool because now it's like you can kind of build it out a lot nicer. [SPEAKER_00]: When they were showing this to us, the creators call, it looked really, really nice.

28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I do really like what they've done with the [SPEAKER_00]: map refresh a little bit and yeah you can also you know have a yeah there's also a view now like overview that brings in like people devices and zones and all that stuff together. [SPEAKER_00]: And the zone editor actually looks easier to deal with too.

29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I really like what they did with it. [SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's, I know there's been updates, but I haven't really paid attention to the maps in the last little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't use it super often unless it's, again, the same use case like before is like, [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't hurt for my wife.

29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll make sure she's okay and check in on her. [SPEAKER_00]: And, but that's, that's really just it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, but I, I do think it looks so slick and I'm really, you know, I really want to start using it more now, just again, especially because you can theme it in whatever it's now too, so that's, that's really neat.

29:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really looking forward to seeing what people do with being able to color the maps. [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned this on, I'm going to get it geeks, but previously when you had, like, I'll be on Reddit and I would see like a cool dashboard, the map was always something that you couldn't really still standard.

29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But now that you can color all those items, I think we're going to see some pretty slick stuff coming up. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially where there's maps integrated into different dashboards and stuff like that too right because it's like you've got you've got all this Neat theming you've done and then you have this standard map that doesn't you know, it's it's that kind of stuff right, so it's again, do I use it no, but I'm really excited for the people that do use it And and genuinely it looks pretty slick so great great work to the folks that did that [SPEAKER_01]: Triggered by is now becoming so much easier to use in automations, and this is something that Power users have been doing in YAML for some time, but now it's much more understandable in the UI.

30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Home Assistant already lets you give Trigger IDs to each trigger. [SPEAKER_01]: on an event on an open automation, so in 2026.10, the automation editor makes the workflow much more approachable as you can now select triggers directly from a triggered by a condition rather than manually managing triggered it so previously you would have to go into a trigger, a scientist and ID which was hidden in an overflow menu somewhere, not necessarily intuitive.

31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Homemisters will [SPEAKER_01]: The editor will also detect missing trigger references and help repair those older IDs. [SPEAKER_01]: Yamal automations are being preserved rather than being forced migrated. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you have a Yamal automation that has specified a trigger ID, you don't need to go and update anything for this.

31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's already supported and you'll be able to see it in the editor of my assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: I [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is good. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the selling point that the release notes came out with was that you can now do something that would be done in two automations, can only be done in one.

31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You can always do that, it just makes it a lot easier. [SPEAKER_00]: So again, but that is the point of the trigger IDs, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Is that now I can go in and say, maybe I can combine my [SPEAKER_00]: Just maybe I want to have certain lights turn on at 6 p.m. and certain lights turn on at 8 p.m.

32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's an example. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't need that to be two different automations. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's easier for me to do it. [SPEAKER_00]: But if you have a ton of automations, then that starts to get really like, oh, what am I looking for? [SPEAKER_00]: Where am I going?

32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I personally do use trigger IDs myself. [SPEAKER_00]: And then basically you just build a condition to say, okay, if it's, I don't know, like, [SPEAKER_00]: sunset on turn on old lights or sunset off turn off a light or whatever that looks like right and and you have to give those IDs and stuff like that I I it's funny because personally I Give way too much focus into naming trigger IDs and I was like this has to be descriptive so that when I look at this a year from now I'm going to know what And and really doesn't matter that much no but I think this actually helps and for folks like this who do you trigger IDs today [SPEAKER_00]: I think what's nice is that those get pulled in from your YMO and those will get preserved.

33:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So you don't have to change your automations or anything like that based on that. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a breaking change for you. [SPEAKER_01]: does come down to automation design, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you have a whole bunch of triggers, like for example, I have blinds coming up and down, right?

33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But I have them needing to close an open based on some position, doors opening, doors closing, are we homes, the house, you know, vacation mode, having just using the trigger IDs for those to split out, you know, when something [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, it's a tradeoff, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You have less automations, but each of your automations becomes a little more complicated.

33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you have a ton of automations, it makes it easier to find, I think, personally, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, it complicates it, but it's not too bad. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just like, you just got to make sure you're editing the right, the right block in your trig, like, right condition, right?

34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's trigger one versus trigger two versus trigger three, whatever that is, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but for example, if the sun's up now at the right angle, that's the trigger, does that mean that it's going to pull the blind down, even though the door trigger didn't activate.

34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You need to be really methodical. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, agree. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I try to keep it much better now, too. [SPEAKER_00]: It does. [SPEAKER_00]: That is actually an improvement in this release as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: dashboard card visibility. [SPEAKER_00]: So the visibility tab of dashboard items now has the same conditions as the automation editor.

34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So that includes templates, sun, zone device and the conditions that the integration is bring along. [SPEAKER_00]: So now they sit right next to the ones that only makes sense on a dashboard like screen and user, but you can mix and mash them right. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can actually say based on certain conditions versus whatever that a that a [SPEAKER_00]: you know, entity, whatever would expose, you can start doing those same kind of stuff.

35:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's pretty cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I like this because previously I had to do like hacky stuff with template. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Since, and to bring that along, so the UI within React to those other variables, but yeah, now this isn't much better. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I can avoid a template sensor.

35:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm all for it just, I digret, but they are way more complicated than they potentially could be, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this wouldn't be a home automation podcast in 2026, if we didn't mention artificial intelligence. [SPEAKER_01]: And in this release, it has got a whole bunch of updates happening to it.

35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a new ALI panel. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's now easier to configure local ALI assistance with home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: Previously, I think home assistant has an MCP server. [SPEAKER_01]: which was buried in the settings. [SPEAKER_01]: If you wanted to find it, it's now much more easy.

35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You can go into your settings area, there's an ALA area and under there you have the model context protocol card. [SPEAKER_01]: You can turn that server on in a single click and the card lists the URLs you need to paste into your ALA app like Codex or Cloud and there's just a copy and paste button, even easier.

36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It also works the other way around, apps that run their own MCP server, will now be discovered automatically by the model context protocol integration. [SPEAKER_01]: So connecting home business into them will only take confirmation from in, from in within, the home business UI. [SPEAKER_01]: I also got this polk lot of love around finding music, so if you want to ask it to place something instead of blindly playing the first search result, it will now get a list of results and we'll pick the best match across supported services that you've linked into our assistant.

36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And as a bonus, if your home uses K&X, your AI can now dig into the K&X stuff too. [SPEAKER_01]: So the K&X integration brings its own set of artificial intelligence tools, which you can hand to your conversation agent or to your AI app through that MCP server. [SPEAKER_01]: Gap, lots of love for AI this release, which is great to see.

37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know, a ton of people using K&X, but that is actually a pretty [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty cool connection there, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So that's neat. [SPEAKER_01]: Where do you pop it on your website? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what we have networked with app?

37:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can now show the actual mesh, the real mesh, by turning on new neighbors and looking at a lot of that kind of stuff, then draws the connections between your devices not just the routes that they use, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm actually connected from this device onto this, onto this, not the active route that is actually taking.

37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, in a mesh, you're potentially connected to more than one thing, so you just kind of remember that. [SPEAKER_00]: So what's really nice is that is off by default, what I just described, but you can also turn it on, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Just if you have a very large, is that we have network, you can, you know, we can cut kind of messy.

38:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it's off by default, but turn it on and have a look, if you don't have a ton of devices, it should be really, really nice to look at. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, again, same thing, it looks great functionally, I think I think it's truly an improvement here. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, if you are still using gamma, I'm still half in half out.

38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate every update, gamma still gets the yellow errors will now try and suggest what you may have actually tried to mean. [SPEAKER_01]: The error will now ask you, maybe just meant this instead. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, error messages will also show the path to the file relative to your configuration folder.

38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can easily find them instead of giving you that whole. [SPEAKER_01]: It's in, you know, home documents, fill, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's just, it's in packages, living room, blinds.l. [SPEAKER_00]: Look, Clippy actually pops up and says, did you mean it's that as Frank was telling us about that that's all like a think of it is this Clippy coming up and we're like, did you mean comment topic?

39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I had chat GPT just relaunched their chat GPT dots, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe your dot from chat GPT will pop up and say, hey, I just noticed this error in from the MCP server home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: Did you actually mean this? [SPEAKER_01]: And look, what makes up?

39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Great. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'd rather it didn't notice that. [SPEAKER_00]: battery reporting. [SPEAKER_00]: The energy dashboard can now show the discharge of individual batteries. [SPEAKER_00]: That's really cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Rather than only presenting the overall battery picture, right?

39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So now you're saying, okay, I've got multiple sets of batteries, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see how they're actually coming down. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a little more detail there. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you have more complicated energy storage or multiple batteries, this is probably helpful for you.

39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I'm very jealous that you have batteries. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, no, no, sorry, complete sidebar. [SPEAKER_00]: I, so our new house actually came with a generator, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So just because where we are again, we're a well and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: So we lose power for a couple of days.

40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That means we don't have water. [SPEAKER_00]: So the previous owner had installed a generator most of the homes on our street and have one. [SPEAKER_00]: And I got to experience it for the first time yesterday. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just power when I would ever write. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think three seconds, because the guy always described it as, you know, you count three and everything's back off, right?

40:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and then, and it actually happened yesterday. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, wow, that's actually really nice to actually have that right. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't gone for a long time. [SPEAKER_00]: It was gone for a minute or two, but it was, it's still pretty pretty awesome that, you know, we can, that it happened.

40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I compared to not having it from before, so it's actually very, very nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Just that. [SPEAKER_01]: So one, I'm guessing that means you're going to need a whole bunch of UPS around the critical stuff because three seconds in iTunes land is always your time still. [SPEAKER_00]: So stuff still goes down, right?

41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So I do have a UPS in my server rack anyways. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually thinking of getting a second one just so everything can be on UPS. [SPEAKER_00]: Right now my switch and my internet gateway are on the UPS. [SPEAKER_00]: So I can still maintain [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, that's, yeah, that that's going to be the idea.

41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's make sure all of my, uh, minimize my server nodes are also on UPS. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just, I want to make sure everything is, it's good. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So then I'm imagining you might want to, um, take a look at, if you're energy dashboard, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like how you can then have the, the generator, yeah, uh, being as a source of energy so that you can actually track, you know, okay, [SPEAKER_01]: the house consume this amount of energy from the generator at this time because the power is offline.

41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that correct? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know that we can. [SPEAKER_00]: It is it is an older generator. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I have a solution for you, sir. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's, let's, I mean, we've talked about, shall I talk about these on Hoontakte? [SPEAKER_01]: Shelley, EM, Pro 3, they are a CT clamp.

42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to wait for a sparky to install this for me. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm getting up a whole bunch of stuff that I need to sparky to come out for. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's just came in this week. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, plug that on, plug one of those clamps around the load. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're a generator, right?

42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's all local, it will be there, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a natural gas generator. [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to see how I can maybe isolate that out too. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's a great, again, a connection, an automatic transfer solution. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to figure out how that works.

42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we're like, where I can, like, it's just off of the feed coming right off to generator. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, so that's, [SPEAKER_00]: It is exciting, so there's a lot of stuff I want to look at from there and I don't know what's possible with that generator do and I'm not like, I'm usually comfortable with electrical stuff.

43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not that comfortable with generates. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still going to do this with it because it sounds, I don't know, maybe this is just me in my head. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if I mess something up there, that's a very costly fix, so rather not do that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get a generator company just to come out and change the oil and stuff like that and hopefully I can catch the tech to be like, hey, what do you know about this?

43:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and figure that stuff out. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but also on the on the energy, uh, peace, stay tuned, uh, near the end of the episode. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got, uh, some interesting things that I found out about, uh, how I can use the energy dashboard today. [SPEAKER_00]: But nice.

43:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, a mod bus was added to her assistant in last couple of releases. [SPEAKER_01]: There is now a brand spanking new mod bus panel for the connections list. [SPEAKER_01]: So settings connectivity. [SPEAKER_01]: Every mod bus connection, her assistant has will be there, including serial ports, network gateways, and all the devices on it and the integrations using them.

44:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Connections set up in YAML also shop there as well. [SPEAKER_01]: So YAML doesn't miss out. [SPEAKER_00]: user profiles got an update as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So users of your home assistant instance can now manage their own profiles. [SPEAKER_00]: So before, let's say I'm an admin and maybe my family is not in whole assistant, I would have to change their profile pictures and you know, change their whatever.

44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you can start doing that yourself. [SPEAKER_00]: So that profile page got a little bit of a cleanup as well. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there's a lot of, you know, you can have some fun with it. [SPEAKER_00]: We were, we were joking when a creator is called about, you know, how, how, how often we can update and do all that.

44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you can change it as much as you want, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So Frank was joking that, you know, his daughter's going to be changing it every day with a new picture. [SPEAKER_00]: And whatever, but just know that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a single picture that gets overwritten or a single file like it's overwritten, right?

45:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So every time you upload a file, it's just like uploading it through the media browser. [SPEAKER_00]: It just, it does actually upload every single individual file. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you do have a family member, that's like, hey, I want to change my home. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a picture daily.

45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Just note that from a storage perspective, then that might get, uh, not that pictures are very heavy, but, um, you know, you might want to look at that up. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this way is one that you might find just over and I think you had a dashboard set up in your kitchen. [SPEAKER_01]: But timers are a lot more useful now on dashboards.

45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you've got a tablet running in the kitchen that you need to use time as for. [SPEAKER_01]: Timers from dashboards have blue controls, like quick action controls that can be accessed on that dashboard. [SPEAKER_01]: So you could have buttons for five minute timer, 10 minute timer, 30 minutes, [SPEAKER_01]: or this is previously how to open up a timer than enter a timer each time.

45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're always sitting at five minute, 10 minute timer, now you can just have a button on the dashboard, press it and timer will go ahead and. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what would be really good. [SPEAKER_00]: I just complete ADD thought here. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what would be really cool is if you can hook grossy up into this, or not grossy sorry, if you can hook mealy up into this and let's say you're making a lasagna, right?

46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're just like, [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, voice assistant, the lasagna's in the oven. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it goes in dips into the recipe and it's like, okay, your lasagna needs to cook for one hour, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And it automatically sets a time and do that kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And that would become neat.

46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I know timers are actually something I know very little about in home assistant. [SPEAKER_00]: So, and it's something I want to delve into, but I just, [SPEAKER_00]: haven't. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no particular reason. [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think there's some cool stuff you can do with that, right?

46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so I'm excited to see what people do with that. [SPEAKER_00]: Please, let me know. [SPEAKER_01]: I think time is a good art. [SPEAKER_01]: They were born because of, you know, voice peeing, coming out and voice assistance, you know, you know, that is one of the single users. [SPEAKER_01]: We still have the Amazon Echo in the kitchen, right?

47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And the wall clock, I can easily see how long a timer has. [SPEAKER_01]: It's easy. [SPEAKER_01]: My mother-in-law even uses and yells out, hey, Amazon lady, set her time at 15 minutes, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's great. [SPEAKER_01]: Into home assistant makes sense.

47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're there yet to replace the Amazon lady in our household but before time is but this makes it a lot closer [SPEAKER_00]: And what's cool is there's some new animations and stuff around this too. [SPEAKER_00]: If you are using timers on dashboards, where it kind of highlights being like, hey, let's maybe have multiple timers, but, you know, this timer is going off.

47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of things, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, binary sensors now gain glass break sensor support. [SPEAKER_00]: So, if you're not familiar with it, there's security sensors that are, that try to detect glass break, so now in the security dashboard, those do show up. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to understand people's experience with it, so I did look into this when I very early on when I moved into my previous house right around when we started this podcast, maybe even before that.

48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And the verdict I had gotten was, don't do it because it's very inaccurate, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, somebody breaks a glass, drops a cup or something like that, catches that. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also just a parent, there's just a lot of stuff that happens in that. [SPEAKER_00]: frequency and it just it just kind of triggers it every time right and so I had a friend of mine who had a proper alarm system like I like I'm monitored alarm system whatever and was a glass break sensor attached to it and it was always like he's like it was constantly going up he went when he didn't shut her glass or something like that um I don't know if they've gotten any better and it's like that um I don't know if it's something particular to them

48:49 [SPEAKER_00]: interested in doing, because I feel like my motion sensor is present, like with all of the other stuff that I have around the system, I think it's good enough, because sure, maybe you break a glass in the window and jump in, but my motion sensor will potentially catch you at that point, right?

49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So what I'm not home. [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I think there's other stuff around it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to know if anybody actually has a good experience with their glass [SPEAKER_01]: I am reminded. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you had this when you were growing up around it. [SPEAKER_01]: When, now I don't carry keys around, but when, you know, back in the day, you know, when I was a growing up, you had to carry keys around, right?

49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And when, you know, being kids, you know, just being kids, you go into like a junk store, right, like a dollar store or something. [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure. [SPEAKER_01]: And they'd have all the classic Chinese gadgets for you, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you're not working you.

49:46 [SPEAKER_01]: a young kid you'd have much money to spend but that's something cool that you could spend for your two bucks there and one of them are a member getting by the myself or my friend a key find that would react to your whistle right so you put it on your keys and you would and if you whistled it would detect a whistle and then you know afterwards tune right [SPEAKER_01]: That thing just, as soon as you pull the rhythm to actually go up, it was not like everything that I thought it was a whistle, right?

50:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like anything just a little bit high pitched. [SPEAKER_01]: You could be like, come in from another room. [SPEAKER_01]: You just, yeah, quickly. [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly how that thing, because it was not accurate. [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I was imagined. [SPEAKER_01]: Glass by change.

50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Basically that thought, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it is actually, it's definitely [SPEAKER_00]: It does it, but two bucks is pretty good. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the inflation, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're talking about 20, 30 years ago. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like good. [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

50:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, yeah, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there you go. [SPEAKER_01]: Glass break sensors. [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of security alerts and now expanding onto the home dashboard. [SPEAKER_01]: So that alert functionality was introduced into the security dashboard.

51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's now on that home dashboard. [SPEAKER_01]: Last release, I tried to set up, I got my home extension to cybersecurity dashboard for me. [SPEAKER_01]: Turns out it's only UI only things. [SPEAKER_01]: Security dashboard is only the [SPEAKER_01]: For me security dashboard isn't there yet, I tried to filter it like when I activated the security dashboard, it was great, like it had all my security entities, unfortunately every single door is considered a security entity and I don't believe you can filter them out.

51:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So then I'm looking like activity, like the activity time. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, all my activity timeline was every time we opened our fridge door and closed it was filled with that. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so I need a filter on what I consider a security door, but I consider a security motion sensor before that I'm security time line is going to be useful for me.

51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: That is great. [SPEAKER_00]: Matter got a bunch of love this release as well, so, for example, for any Matter supported leak sensors, homelessness and can now expose separate controls for stuff like audible alarm and visual alarm. [SPEAKER_00]: So the IKEA clipbook is an example there, and Matter also got a little bit of love on the smart lock and electrical monitoring capabilities, this release too, so that is fantastic.

52:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a bunch of semi-smart Zigbee blind motors that I got when we moved into the house, fantastic, but one of the motors has just stopped working and when I got them half of them, I had to actually open up and reconnect a ribbon. [SPEAKER_01]: under the instruction from Zambi so I don't have to do it and these are things that I'd purchase right off Ali Express and I remember talking to you about this on the podcast was crazy about that concept yeah a video from the factory on how to do it that's right oh that was a long time ago yeah yeah so anyway one of them stopped working right out of warranty I'm like oh that's fine I'm gonna look into [SPEAKER_01]: the way I'm thinking of it like my office here is it doesn't have a remote control, but I don't I they're all I'm happy for the office to be on a different I just think one motor and I'm happy for the office to be on a different protocol

53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I could just move this, the Zigbee one from here, and also called, maybe on whose matter. [SPEAKER_01]: Right? [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole bunch of matter over Wi-Fi, but then I have to power the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I found a potential supplier for a matter over thread blind.

53:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a car. [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be a great excuse, so I've got this Encerio smoke detector still to set up, which is matter of a thread. [SPEAKER_01]: I've got the old ZBT1 to use as my thread radio. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be able to run a thread network. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was like, oh, that's cool.

54:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I saw a deal come along for some matter over Wi-Fi smart plugs and I was like, oh, that's a good deal. [SPEAKER_01]: I should exit like I should 20 bucks for energy monitoring smart plugs. [SPEAKER_01]: Always a good like always need more of those. [SPEAKER_01]: That's great. [SPEAKER_01]: But then I read in the comments of that deal.

54:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, oh, [SPEAKER_01]: that Ikea ones would be cheaper. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, but Ikea are always out of stock. [SPEAKER_01]: Turns out, Ikea have now come out with their matter version of the energy, which I had no idea. [SPEAKER_01]: So now for like $17 dollars, I'm gonna make a trip to Ikea by these matter.

54:40 [SPEAKER_01]: energy reporting smart plugs that are in stock now they look like they're in stock so that's good and that should help me with a thread meshing as well so i'm going to i'm going to take it i'm going to buy the bullet buy a thread a roller blind a thread how much thread energy monitors and i'm going to see how how easy or how bad thread really is right um [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, okay, he's going to hold you on thread on.

55:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I really want to experience it and see, you know, how bad it actually is. [SPEAKER_01]: Be pleasantly surprised. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hopefully hopefully you're pleasantly surprised. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, uh, interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, templates, the template entities can now be climate entities, so you can build your own thermostat from other entities.

55:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So binary sensor template help is can also now let you set a delay before they turn on or off, which yes, that is good. [SPEAKER_01]: Until previously that was only available in NAMOL and this has stopped me from migrating. [SPEAKER_01]: whole bunch of stuff I wanted to do with our templates in the UIs.

55:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I needed to lay on a, I needed to lay off, but that's good at that there. [SPEAKER_01]: Templates have also gained a time delta string function, which will turn it a duration into a readable text like one hour and 30 minutes, which is the same way time since and time until already do. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so good to see more of [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you need them, they're great.

56:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you don't need them. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I look at it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: Two, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot more devices from two-year support didn't just release. [SPEAKER_00]: They've got some didn't real energy meters, circuit breakers, EV chargers, water valves, and keypad tone, and alarm push settings for the dual smart C30 alarm panel.

56:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Phillips, I've been off this platform for quite some time, but they've done some pretty good stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: recently with, you know, turning all their lights into potential present sensors. [SPEAKER_01]: One of those that's now coming in in 2026 or 10, the flips to integration will now add a switch allowing you to turn each motion aware zone on or off just like you can within the [SPEAKER_01]: So it robs and zones will also gain a scene select showing which scene or smart scene is currently active and you can choose which scene you want to activate on the Philips view side there.

57:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that way of adding new conditions to the automation editor with proper fields that you can like check a device's node status, the value of their config parameters or any other Z wave value in there and then and their Z wave trigger or Z wave triggers got the same treatment.

57:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, there we go. [SPEAKER_01]: So good, like the Z-way stuff has been so messy for me. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping this cleans it up, like previously I'll go into the UI and I'll be like, okay, I want to turn on the Office downloads. [SPEAKER_01]: And you would select Office downloads, which is connected to my network radio.

57:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the first things would be, we're like a value of node parameters 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, [SPEAKER_01]: is the office will download on or off.

58:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's buried all the way down. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that gets cleaned up as part of this. [SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah, good. [SPEAKER_01]: It's sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: Getify protect now supports the Unify Protect key fobs, which we'll show it's battery status and an event entity for every button press like this or panic.

58:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And each input of Unify protect relay will now show up as its own binary sensor. [SPEAKER_00]: Open AI, just got support for GPT-6 Astra and GPT-Minch 2.5. [SPEAKER_01]: Point to come a point where our mission just allows that to be free text, select the model. [SPEAKER_01]: Because these models are changing.

58:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think since the previous release, GPT-6 came out with [SPEAKER_01]: uh... sold terror and luna now you know we've got astro like with before November they will probably be maybe at six point one right yeah [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and right now we're tying GPT, chatting with BT versions too.

59:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the essential problem statement here is that if we want to sit on an older release for whatever reason, but we're still using AI capabilities, we can't do that because we need to, or if we're using OpenAI capability, we can't. [SPEAKER_01]: And the open AI supports, you know, being able to pull what models are available.

59:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I use light LLM and ADN, they will go out, ping light LLM and say, hey, what models are available? [SPEAKER_01]: It spits back a list and I can choose which model to use, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So I would hope I'm a system can bring that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And there's also a deprecation of models sometimes too, right?

59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, it makes more sense to pull that rather than, you don't do any other way. [SPEAKER_01]: LifeX will now support lights that connect over thread. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's another reason for me to get that thread that works. [SPEAKER_00]: It works. [SPEAKER_00]: Proxmox actually added some update entities for your Proxmox nodes too.

1:00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So when updates are available and you can see, you know, you can see that and how many other Proxmox and other packages are waiting to be updated. [SPEAKER_01]: If you are an Apple iCloud user, calendars and reminders are now available in home assistant, each calendar shows up as a calendar entity and each reminders list as a to do list where you can add complete and remove items that sink right back to your Apple devices.

1:00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This sounds very good for a shared shopping list. [SPEAKER_01]: My wife is an iOS user. [SPEAKER_01]: I am an android user, but I am very much native in home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: I can have a shopping list in home assistant that sinks to her to do list on her iPhone. [SPEAKER_01]: So that is something I think.

1:00:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And what's nice is, right now, by wife and I use a remote iOS, but we don't interface with a home assistant in that way, right? [SPEAKER_00]: We have a separate app called any list, which is, I don't know, and it's, and right now I have a home assistant that sinks, there's a separate, you know, add on that you can use to synchronize [SPEAKER_00]: But it's too many moving pieces, right?

1:01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's something that it's nice and it saves the extra app, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So it's one less app than I need to have. [SPEAKER_00]: Ideally, we both just fire up a home assistant and just use it there. [SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_01]: We do it, but now home assistant can be that third party adding things you're shopping list.

1:01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It ties into groceries. [SPEAKER_01]: Rosie knows, you need batteries because X amount of devices have had battery cycle. [SPEAKER_01]: Add batteries. [SPEAKER_01]: So the shopping list and then it's on your both view phones. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

1:01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Medea. [SPEAKER_00]: So Medea added their water heaters, a lock switch. [SPEAKER_00]: Pumpswitch for the dehumidifiers and a sensor when the water pump of an air conditioner is running and salt, AI mode, time remaining, and door warning entries for the appliances that support them. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.

1:02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So, this is before and then just new stuff too. [SPEAKER_01]: A slippery can now add control things locally, so control your power wall, your vehicle of the Bluetooth commands will try the local route first and fall back to the cloud. [SPEAKER_01]: So they are faster, and vehicle commands even work when the car has no connection.

1:02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool that it does it over Bluetooth, I don't think that's set. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is a very neat. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't use Tesla Metry, but I do think that's a cool way to bring that data into your home assistant, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So at any time, if you're home, it basically syncs up, and it's like, hey, it's so much battery, it's so much whatever.

1:02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Only thing is, if you're out, it's not going to pull some metrics. [SPEAKER_00]: I had that, it's still very cool. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about some new integrations. [SPEAKER_00]: So more mod bus integrations of command, including solar edge mod bus and K-Code mod bus. [SPEAKER_01]: And if a rat is also had some love, there is now green infrared for green air Aconditioners, no, green air Aconditioners, green builds, air Conditioners for many brands.

1:03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So units are sold as Anita, Sinclair, and others I will also work as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Osroom will control Osroom and LED vans RGB lights that come with a 24-button intro red remote. [SPEAKER_01]: First thing, which I'm having Bluetooth speakers and an infrared transmitter, in Home Assistant, giving you a video player and buttons for its remote functions.

1:03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Samsung has air conditioner control, so if you use the Samsung infrared integration that can not control air conditioners and the LG infrared infrared integration, now the LG integration for the infrared side of things, now allows swing mode to be controlled as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Nice, um, axle energy.

1:04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You can now bring the great event schedule of your axle energy and count into homelessness. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it tells whether an upcoming event asks you to import or export to or from the grid. [SPEAKER_00]: And exactly when it starts or ends, uh, so your automations can get your house ready in time, which is nice.

1:04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're all in with, enjoy that. [SPEAKER_01]: BitVis Power Hub is a real-time energy data hub that can read the electricity data. [SPEAKER_01]: It plugs into your meters hand port, H-A-N, and the Power Hub pushes its measurements, like power, voltage, and current per phase straight to our immune system, over your local network.

1:04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: No cloud there. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a cool one. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're into astrophotography, you can now connect your indie All-Sky camera server into Home Assistant. [SPEAKER_00]: And so you can keep your eye, keep an eye on cloud cover in your where you are. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can also get the latest capture as a camera, plus any sensors for a sky quality, a number starts to detect at exposure time, and whether it's day or night.

1:05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_01]: I was, yeah, I also thought this was cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Injuvish, I looked, don't find it down the rabbit house like, oh, let's have a look at link to a GitHub. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow, this looks complicated. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, am I going to do all this? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the camera is like permanently set up or you take your camera out, calibrating it.

1:05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like it was a whole hobby just on itself. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't have the capacity for another hobby. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure my wife will be like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, my pv, you can control my pv devices, which turn your surplus solar power into hot water. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope this doesn't talk to them locally and discover them on your network automatically.

1:05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a cool little integration too. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, if you want to generate some more hot water and just turn through solar power, there you go. [SPEAKER_00]: I've always been sold on solar, I talked to my next year neighbor for the first time, a couple days ago, and he turns out has solar number, I didn't know that, and, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if I wasn't convinced before, which I totally was, I very convinced now, it's just hard as the initial capital investment, right?

1:06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're looking at the tens of thousands of dollars. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, it's a lot, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But he calculated it with our current rates and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like my payback, because I've had a set standards. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that's not, yeah, yeah, that's, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really like Canada and stuff, I just because it's no cover and stuff, so you're not really writing a whole lot in the winter, but yeah, I do, I do, I'm all about that's all, I'm going to start out in about next year, but at some point in the future, that is on my plan for this house.

1:06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of solar also, Sunsink, you can bring your Sunsink hybrid solar inverter and battery to home assistant. [SPEAKER_01]: uh... connecting your sensing connect account uh... you get sensors for solar production grid important export and your battery uh... home citizen can now also discover the sensing data longer on your network the ben connects up smart meter gateway uh... is available read data locally uh... using its built in home area networks that was that's the hand there go uh... no cloud needed [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look at that.

1:07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Threema, send end to end encrypted message from your automations to people on Threema. [SPEAKER_00]: To privacy-focused messenger, that doesn't need a phone number. [SPEAKER_00]: It uses the Threema gateway service, and each person you add as a recipient gets their own notify entity. [SPEAKER_00]: I have never heard of Threema.

1:07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: This is, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you haven't. [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't. [SPEAKER_01]: I went down the rabbit hole looking into it. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought, oh, this would be cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it would be like a replacement like for telegram or something that I could use with my AI agent stuff.

1:07:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There's anything wrong with telegram, but I like having more options available. [SPEAKER_01]: There is a cost to this. [SPEAKER_01]: You have to pay a one-time fee if it's just for individual use, otherwise it's more designed for the business side of things. [SPEAKER_01]: So where you can have teams talking in a private Slack.

1:08:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I state it. [SPEAKER_01]: Slack. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's got a business integration now. [SPEAKER_01]: So someone's using it. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well I listen it again. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm all about choice right so that's uh, however with messaging platforms, I I don't know.

1:08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm I go both ways with choice because it's like now I need 70 apps on my phone just to talk for different people. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like everything just gets relegated. [SPEAKER_00]: It just text me, it's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: ViteC, you can now connect the ViteC shell fee and air purifier that lives in your refrigerator.

1:08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I also hadn't heard of this one. [SPEAKER_01]: You can see the air quality and temperature inside your fridge. [SPEAKER_01]: How often the door was opened and when the filter needs cleaning or replacing. [SPEAKER_01]: You can even switch the purifier mode, for example, to boost it after the grocery run.

1:09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So, here we go. [SPEAKER_00]: Cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I, in case anybody is wondering, uh, super cheap hack, baking soda, stick a thing of baking soda in your fridge and all fresh in your fridge. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You actually get, like, snacks that are for fridges, uh, to make it not smelly or anything like that.

1:09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But this is cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Willow, keep an eye on your health of your indoor plants using Willow sensors. [SPEAKER_00]: Temperature, humidity, I don't know why I read that like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Temperature, humidity, soil moisture, and light levels come from the Willow cloud into home assistant, which is ready for your dashboards and automations.

1:09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: zone plan with two ends. [SPEAKER_01]: You can get the electricity and gas prices for your contract there. [SPEAKER_01]: They are a Dutch provider of dynamic energy contracts. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about some breaking and or reverse incompatible changes. [SPEAKER_00]: I forget what it's called.

1:10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: where the incompatibility in this area. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a bunch of removed integrations. [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these have been de facto for a while. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll just list them off. [SPEAKER_00]: We're really quick. [SPEAKER_00]: Doubling bus, eat their scan, malnourine, cloud, sig fox, solar edge, local, so we did notice your solar edge one.

1:10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think earlier as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So the local one is done. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, it hasn't mod best one now. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's still local. [SPEAKER_00]: Travis CI, which has been gone forever, and it's estimated from Zillow. [SPEAKER_01]: So they are just the ones that go on. [SPEAKER_01]: There's also some other breaking changes up for various ones.

1:10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Do check out the release notes, of course, as always before hitting that upright button, just in case you are affected. [SPEAKER_01]: Never run, um, beg episode today. [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about a lot today. [SPEAKER_01]: Both right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What is it?

1:11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going great. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk some more. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear about. [SPEAKER_01]: So you've moved into your house. [SPEAKER_01]: You started with home Mrs. again. [SPEAKER_01]: I bring you instance. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm imagining. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Talk to me about a green button.

1:11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What if you put green button if you found it in your home? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we talked about energy monitoring and my desire to do that at some point in the future. [SPEAKER_00]: And as part of that, I think one of the things that I discovered as well is there's this program called a green button.

1:11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: programmer, something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Essentially, maybe it's called the initiative, I don't know, but essentially what's happening is all the energy providers that are signed up in that. [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a bunch in the U.S. [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much most of all providers in Canada are signed up for it as well.

1:11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, in Ontario, as well. [SPEAKER_00]: you can actually download your historic energy data for gas and for electricity. [SPEAKER_00]: So for me right now, like I said earlier in this in this episode, I don't have any energy monitoring or anything like that today. [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the CT clamp potentially with [SPEAKER_00]: This is the quick and easy it is historic, right?

1:12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a couple of integrations that are already in hacks that can go in and pull this data or you can download the data and then upload it into this integration and it'll basically translate that for you to your gas and energy usage. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you wanna monitor it, if you wanna look at the trends and stuff like that, what I did initially before I even moved into this house is I wanna to understand [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit about how I use the data.

1:12:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just I downloaded that it's XML based something and I uploaded it to, I don't chat you to your cloud or something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, hey, what's, you know, what is my usage look like through the year or something like that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I think you get two years worth of historic data that you can pull from.

1:13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: and it basically went to and turned it and whatever and it's like also by the way, this isn't indicative of your new house because your new house different square footage, different whatever, right, which is totally accurate, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So, but now what I can start doing is I can even though I don't have any of these anything for energy monitoring directly, what I can do is I can go in and pull some of these some of these stats from the green button.

1:13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: portal from my local utility providers, and then actually get that data and their import that data is consistent. [SPEAKER_00]: So my energy dashboard has been mostly populated, I think. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's still going. [SPEAKER_00]: I hope it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't check in the last couple of days, but it and yeah, it looks like it is, right?

1:13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So it just depends on how it breaks it down. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can see kind of your consumption [SPEAKER_00]: Even if nothing again, like that's kind of the point, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's not understand how much you're using. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't have what I don't have is I don't have a per outlet breakdown or a per device or whatever.

1:14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: For that, you do need either those CT claims or some kind of energy monitoring smart switch or something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't want to share that with everybody. [SPEAKER_00]: In case you're like me where you're not there yet, but you still care about populating some of that data.

1:14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I know in Australia, or the tour at least, we have something called electricity, the National Metering Identification Number, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's a unique number. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a rainforest eagle that connects via Zigbee to get the live readings. [SPEAKER_01]: But when you go to change electricity provided, you can actually provide your meter number to a government-funded service that will then go in really like the historical data behind your meter number.

1:14:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if there is a way to export that data and then pump it into something similar right? [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And the cool thing here is the green button program of whatever it's called is a standardized way of exporting this, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So with this integration, I'm here in Ontario, you know, exporting some of my things there.

1:15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I can go in and import that data in, but maybe you're in somewhere else in the U.S. or some other participating program, it's the same thing. [SPEAKER_00]: So it is a standardized way. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to call it a protocol, but it is a standardized way of [SPEAKER_00]: of exporting this information.

1:15:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, the only thing I've noticed is I don't, even though even though they're technically supposed to give you an hour or two hour, similar to that breakdown of your usage, I do get it on a day basis. [SPEAKER_00]: So everything is from 12 am to 1 am in my energy dashboard, which is whatever.

1:15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the biggest deal, but [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's, it's something, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's better than the energy information I don't have today. [SPEAKER_00]: So, again, it's, it's quite cool, but I like it. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and until you're almost human until you get real time, energy, data fitting in, yeah, correct, correct.

1:16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If I really wanted, I could just, again, stick CT claims on my lead. [SPEAKER_00]: And that way I'll get like, [SPEAKER_00]: on my name's power, which at that point I'll get whatever hours to the minute of the year, whatever I want. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm not there yet. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll leave links in the show notes, home assistant dot FM forward slash HAA253 run pleasure as always.

1:16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: See you soon. [SPEAKER_01]: Cheers.