MiciMike will turn your Google Home Mini into a Home Assistant Voice Satellite

0:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome to the home assistant podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Phil joining me as usual. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm here with We're on. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, going mate. [SPEAKER_01]: Get her here. [SPEAKER_00]: Very good. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Today we have him who is a Hungarian man living in Ireland.

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1:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you give us a little bit of a background story on who you are and how you got started in home automation? [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a simple question. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Hungarian guy living in Ireland. [SPEAKER_02]: I think I started where everyone else started with [SPEAKER_02]: with MQTT, IFTTT, two year of products.

2:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, most of the people are starting with who Philips, who the products, but they were too expensive for me. [SPEAKER_02]: So I went with Sonof and what are cheap Chinese to your products, which works well at the beginning. [SPEAKER_02]: But at some point, I found the homocystend, [SPEAKER_02]: and I started to integrate into it and then the MQTT came up and that helps to do the first few automated lights and and [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember what else was there, but I definitely just started with the lights.

2:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, always go start with the lights, so I think that's the most fun one, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're always walking around, leaving lights on, so it's just a feel good thing when you're going, okay, I can just want to make that turning off and have to worry about switching that lights which off again.

3:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also the easiest thing to notice, right? [SPEAKER_01]: When you walk in a light turns on, it's like, oh, right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go. [SPEAKER_02]: So then where'd you go from there? [SPEAKER_02]: The two few times to improve the home assistant, but after a while, I started to use sensors as well, not just the infrared moving sensors, but temperature sensors, or humidity, or later on the LD-2410 millimeter weave wave sensors, [SPEAKER_02]: And then that's a bit more difficult control of the light than the ventilation of the house.

3:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the most difficult thing was that the heating itself. [SPEAKER_02]: That's checking if I am at home or not, if any of that window is open or not, which room I am in or which level of the house, so ground level or upstairs. [SPEAKER_02]: And even it's checking the outside temperature as well.

4:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the most difficult automation what I'm using at the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you code all of that in YAML or were you doing that in UI? [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's working in Node Red. [SPEAKER_00]: Node Red. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow. [SPEAKER_00]: See, I feel like there was a phase where everyone was using Node Red for a little bit.

4:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, I don't know, Node Red sort of took a back burner. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the first time I've heard someone say, oh, y'all, this is not in Node Red. [SPEAKER_00]: You're still using Node Red? [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't a really user, so usually when I'm focusing on something, then I'm reading until I can sort it.

4:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But after a while, I'm just forgetting, I never learned this, so I am an art architecture. [SPEAKER_02]: No, we're close to the electric or programming language or whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that two about three months to build up the full node red automation. [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, I took snippets from here and there and put it into my own code.

5:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But since that I didn't do anything with that. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's working there. [SPEAKER_02]: That's perfect. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: most of the automatations in the YAML, or on UI, I mentioned it a few times on the podcast but there is a great add-on in hacks, it's called the versatile thermostat, [SPEAKER_00]: And it basically tries to handle all of that automation that you've just described.

5:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You basically give it your temperature sensors, your room sensors, your present sensors, the entity, it'll grab the weather entities, so it knows where they're outside. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it will try and, it's basically trying to be a replacement for a nest learning thermostat, but using home-scent entities, so it can then manage your, basically a dark-dimensional temperature for you.

6:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You're nothing really needs for that. [SPEAKER_02]: You need the temperature sensor and the switch. [SPEAKER_02]: And you have the thermocity in the home assistant actually. [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's like, now you can do like templated climate control.

6:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We can do MKT and economic control. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to build out your own proper thermos at entity, you can like plug a few switches here and there. [SPEAKER_00]: You can do it with smart switch. [SPEAKER_00]: If you really wanted to and temperature sensor. [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I started.

6:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a son of switch, which is controlling my boiler itself. [SPEAKER_02]: I have an oil burner that's central heating hard and that's controlled by a son of switch. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's it. [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I'm doing now. [SPEAKER_02]: The thermostates on the levels are an old-moves thermostates based on ESP32, I think, but with a custom firmware and that's connected to [SPEAKER_01]: So, you also talked about detecting the floor you're on and those kind of things.

7:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you just doing that through motion and presence or are you doing something else? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm at ESP Room or I can't remember what's the name of that. [SPEAKER_02]: It's checking our phones through Bluetooth and every single room has an ESP 32 in it to check where we are. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so it's a room presence.

7:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, [SPEAKER_02]: So if you are within a circle or within a range, then it's decided you are in that room.

8:08 [SPEAKER_02]: The millimeter wave sensor is to [SPEAKER_02]: make it sure you are really there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just double confirmed. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why? [SPEAKER_01]: Why have that extra confirmation rather than just saying, hey, millimeter wave, you know if somebody is here or not, why not just that?

8:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you find any issues with that or did you? [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it just like, you're like, I have this, I have that. [SPEAKER_02]: I started to do this with 24-10mm wave brothers and they were not too stable so they can lose to truck you or if you were not facing to them then it didn't detect your breathing or whatever so yes that's why we need the room presence as well or I need you.

9:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do find, like, the milled away. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they promise that they can detect your breathing, but there are, if I'm sitting a certain way on the couch, like, if I'm angled a certain way, I just find, like, yeah, I can be not detected in the room anymore, which is frustrating.

9:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What's cool is we saw there's that system we saw fill in CES where somebody basically in a room they have like an array of like three or four millimeter wave sensors and based on that it kind of like it's like exact positioning it's like you are literally here in space right put on top of that it's also it also solves that problem of okay well you're standing like this are you you're leaving back or whatever and it still catches you right so there's [SPEAKER_01]: There is, which is an annoying problem to solve, because the answer is add more millimeter-wise answers, right?

9:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, but I think we'll be in the right position, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I think the newer 2450 or what I think 2450 can track three person in a room, and that's a bit more stable to recognize the person in the room, but I never tried it, so I don't know [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've always found there to be, or at least, with the current millimeter wave sensors, there's a trade off.

10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You can have multi-target tracking, but it may not be as accurate, so all you can have multi-zone targeting, but it may not be exactly accurate. [SPEAKER_00]: And I found that, like, one of the sensors I was testing, you could set up, you know, three zones, and it could track one or two people.

10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But as soon as you got more than four, [SPEAKER_00]: It was just so unrollable that a zone with multiple people in that zone would be marked as not occupied because it was trying to track everyone else in the other zones. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, there's just trade off. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no perfect solution just yet, at least in my experience.

11:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not to come on there. [SPEAKER_02]: More than three person in a room. [SPEAKER_00]: True, yeah, I guess it depends on, you know, your family situations like if you've got multi-generational living in those areas. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or if you've got, like, I think my, what I have to situation was we actually just had some extended family over for my wife's birthday.

11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And then all the lights are going crazy, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, someone's in the kitchen. [SPEAKER_00]: No, they're not in the kitchen. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're in the kitchen. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, ah, like, just keep the lights on, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's, I guess that's the delay rate you have a hold for five minutes or something.

11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: You can get around it, but it's then, you've, the lights stay on for five minutes and there doesn't feel magic. [SPEAKER_00]: I always say that the, the most magic I feel about light automations is how quickly lights turn off, not how quickly they turn on, because you're not covering that room.

11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, you've got, you're the first you'd say you've got your lights automated and your heating automated. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you done any other automations with home assistant, like around making the home life better or personal admin? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, a few things around that alarm itself.

12:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's controlled by a home assistant as well. [SPEAKER_02]: And, [SPEAKER_02]: that that can check our phones as well if I am not around and someone is coming to the house and immediately getting a picture of the street, of the entrance area and I'm getting the notification about that someone's opened the door or if there is any movements around the house what actually I needed to turn off because of my cat.

12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The cameras did you decide to use it for them? [SPEAKER_02]: I have a full unify ecosystem, so. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. [SPEAKER_02]: Not the newest cameras, but I have, I'm not going to like, seven or eight unify stuff in my house. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in the network, I have a UDM Pro.

13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: as a switch, I have two access points and four or five comrades around the house. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I've got the real link stuff and I always, I've got the US like the gateway with my first gateway drug into the unified system and unified stuff is just [SPEAKER_00]: Like for network stuff, it's solid and I see their protect side of things and they're with the cameras with the AI detection on it And it just looks like a really nice interface and I know really does a lot of it locally and Integrated very nicely with home assistant [SPEAKER_00]: But I do like the sort of almost the Apple ecosystem that you'd be able to have right lucky plug-in camera onto your network.

14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It finds it detects it as it into protect. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got the facial recognition, it's got the object recognition, which I think you can do a little bit more fancy stuff with than like the really camera's for example. [SPEAKER_00]: Basically it's sort of like a mini frigate from my understanding.

14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But the bad side is that's a closed system again. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the truth is that they started to open it up. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not the software itself, but I think four or five months ago, or maybe a bit more, they opened up for the two or three cameras as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can odds to your system any two or three cameras, which is recognizable by the unify button. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've done that. [SPEAKER_00]: The only problem I have with that though is that you need to buy a they sell an AI port device Which allows you to bring a third party camera in that device then takes the feed and then can detect you know the AI events So it can detect you know like the person the vehicle for the a detection yes, yeah, but you know [SPEAKER_00]: You know, do, but you have to buy one per camera, and that AI device is not cheap.

15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It may as well buy a whole new Wi-Fi camera at that point. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I think they had, I read rumors that they were going to open it up so they could do, like, multiple cameras into the one AI port. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that has happened or if it's still on the road map.

15:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I might be wrong, but I think they can handle more cameras by one pod. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure anyway, I don't want to say any silly thing, but I think they can handle and there is a limit for, let's say, for, for, for, for key. [SPEAKER_02]: and let's say eight full HD or something like that.

15:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have that. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I had no idea what I first looked at. [SPEAKER_00]: It was like certainly only one camera at a time. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they've opened that up now so that would make it more or maybe I mixed up something. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to Google it after this, because I have my really camera using that third party going into the unified, just as a 24-7 NVR, because I do like the interface, I genuinely like the ubiquitous scrubbing interface, better than the really one, but yeah, without the AI features, it's sort of pointless for me.

16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's good. [SPEAKER_00]: And so the events that you've detected, so that's all happening through the BigQuery notification, or if you got that tied into home assistant, so the notifications go through the home assistant when someone is working in home assistant. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

16:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So the feed is transferred to home assistant, and when I wear something unusual happening around the house, [SPEAKER_01]: Messaging that's really cool and and how like what do you what do you do from that now like so Do you do any like actual messages? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you actually do any like that's coming true on telegram?

17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay That's the notify From from home assistant nice that you've got a cat in the house any Anyone else in the house so you've got like family living with you as well [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with my partner only, we have two of us and the cat, so. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So have you gone finding automations for other people in the home, has it any challenges of made any automations that are for your partner?

17:38 [SPEAKER_02]: What you love the most is the house itself is welcoming her when she's arriving to home. [SPEAKER_02]: When she's opening a door and closing the door, an AI speech is coming from the speaker at the entrance, which is saying to her, welcome home, how was your day and those kind of stuff?

17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's always different because it's generated by AI. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh nice. [SPEAKER_00]: How have you prompted that? [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you asked it to say like the weather outside or what was the greeting sound? [SPEAKER_02]: The prompted self is not too simple and actually I had to make few different types of them.

18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to ask the AI help to do it because it didn't work as it [SPEAKER_02]: It should, but in the prompt, I have actually the better outside, the temperature in the house, the day of the week, even the time, how long she was away to calculate if she was for work or shopping or whatever, both the amount of time what she spent out.

18:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's it. [SPEAKER_02]: So they're prompt is quite long. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I experimented with AI text-to-speech using NFC card routers. [SPEAKER_00]: And I credit a joke card for my daughter who's five. [SPEAKER_00]: She'll basically tap the card and it will go to AI and ask AI to generate an age-appropriate joke for a five-year-old and then play it on the single speaker.

19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: which worked absolutely perfectly. [SPEAKER_00]: The only issue I had was that there's no memory. [SPEAKER_00]: So every time you tap the card, the AI will just generate the same joke over and over again. [SPEAKER_02]: There is a memory in it, but it's a short time memory. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's about three minutes or something like that.

19:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the... [SPEAKER_02]: the previous messages are dropped completely. [SPEAKER_02]: So if you have a conversation with AI continuously, then he or she or I don't know how to say that. [SPEAKER_02]: So the AI can remember, can remember what you said, let's say two minutes ago, but the AI will know what you said five minutes ago.

20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: So that. [SPEAKER_00]: And then Simo to go and just, I was like, I need to fix this. [SPEAKER_00]: But I then, um, I don't want to find it funny that always say the same joke. [SPEAKER_00]: So I sort of like, okay, that's now a feature, not a bug. [SPEAKER_00]: So I leave that in place.

20:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, my prom probably good because I didn't heard the same, uh, while coming two times. [SPEAKER_02]: That's always different. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I wonder if that's because you've got so much permutations of data going in, like you've got, you know, dynamic data in terms of how long your wife was away for, and the weather outside, whereas for me, my prompt is just like, my daughter is five, tell her a joke, tell her an age-approved approach, right?

20:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very simple prompt. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, maybe there's something under there, right? [SPEAKER_01]: That's funny. [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because it's supposed to be like generated every time, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like when it just generates the same thing every time. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's that's how it started.

21:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So I had a few sentences written and it was choose a randomly. [SPEAKER_02]: That was the first try. [SPEAKER_02]: But that was very boring after a time. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I switched to the AI generated, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: right, right, right, right, right. [SPEAKER_01]: So now around the house, you talked about presence and all of that stuff.

21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to know a little bit about like, you told us what sensors are using, but you know, one of the things we didn't talk about is protocols and things like that, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you like, do you prefer using Wi-Fi and all these, if you all fully, yeah, ubiquitous system? [SPEAKER_01]: But do you also use some Zigbee or Z-Wave or anything like that?

21:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Zibi is not too popular around us. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm using Zigbee, but I'm starting to disappoint that in the Zigbee. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't ask. [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say it's not reliable at all for me. [SPEAKER_02]: There are several seconds of delay in the Zigbee commands.

22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just started the switch over to mother. [SPEAKER_02]: and it seems to be better. [SPEAKER_00]: Matter over Wi-Fi or over Thread. [SPEAKER_00]: Both. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Both. [SPEAKER_02]: I have Wi-Fi and Thread stuff as well, but it seems to be more responsible and more reliable.

22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: At the moment at least, but I have only four or five products yet. [SPEAKER_02]: But I think in the future, I will switch all the Zigbee products to matter. [SPEAKER_01]: Nice, interesting. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's still have about 65 Wi-Fi product as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's probably more. [SPEAKER_02]: That was the reason why I had to switch to Unify or Ubiquity. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Because the commercial models, what you are or Wi-Fi rulers, what you're getting from the provider, cannot handle more than 2025 Wi-Fi product. [SPEAKER_02]: And I have, I had over 60.

23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: get like, I know a lot of, I've taught about this eight, like I'm not right, like everyone's like put on a Wi-Fi, you know, Wi-Fi devices are great. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, no, not necessarily, right, like if you, if for a smart, like the average Joe just getting into smart homes, it can be so frustrating, like if they're just plugging all these smart home devices, they're getting off the shelf at best by bunnings or home depot, and they're just chucking it onto their Wi-Fi network.

23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, everything stops working, like that is an issue, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like these, why aren't they necessarily the best protocol for that reason? [SPEAKER_00]: And then you start looking at the ubiquitous and, you know, if you'll, sort of an average, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, someone has involved in the smart home space and maybe not technically inclined.

23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That can be a bit daunting, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, not knowing the difference between a TP link or an Amazon era to a ubiquity system. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why I'm not a really big fan of things on the Wi-Fi network. [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is to, we're using battery rather than mains powered.

24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So battery power devices with Wi-Fi, just the way Wi-Fi is, it just uses more battery, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So that's where the more specialized IoT protocols like ZIGB exist or thread or Z-wave, like all of those, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, and funnily enough, like it's, you know, if you tried using ZIGB for transferring data, it's absolutely garbage, right?

24:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just not meant to think about the update of the sick with a product that takes 30 minutes. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right for like a 10-meg file, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's not meant for that, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's meant for short, quick, like, hey, the door's open. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the door's closed, right?

25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think there's a reason to use Wi-Fi over other things, but Wi-Fi is typically great on main powered devices, right? [SPEAKER_01]: But that's where matter thread, ZincBZ wave, especially of coming in and again, different frequencies, different signaling mechanisms, et cetera, right?

25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So depending on the problem, also. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the references are about to really different anyway, [SPEAKER_02]: for the ZIGB, for the thread, for the Wi-Fi as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Wi-Fi can be found as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, amplitude too, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Now if you're listening to us talking about all these protocols and you're thinking, hmm, maybe it's time I looked at something else.

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26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing on the voice front fear home? [SPEAKER_02]: Almost everything. [SPEAKER_02]: So even even if I'm just lying on the couch and the sun is starting to to shine into my eyes, I'm asking to let that shade down or whatever or just [SPEAKER_02]: When I'm in a kitchen and I want to turn on the washing machine, I'm asking because they are on smart switches to turn on the smart switch of the washing machine or whenever I don't want to check my phone, I'm asking what's the better outside or.

27:38 [SPEAKER_02]: as I mentioned, almost everything. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how do we find the accuracy with the voice? [SPEAKER_00]: I know I will sometimes yell at multiple ambulance and echo lady and she'll be also going to turn off the office something and it will be a completely wrong thing in the office or could be another verb.

27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you found accuracy using voice? [SPEAKER_02]: let's say 90% so I can experience the same, but it's mainly because of the voice recognition or not speaking loaded off or clear enough. [SPEAKER_02]: Home Assistant can mix up the things as well, I think, I'm not sure how that is work on the other side.

28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there are some mistakes as definite. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So now, from a system perspective, what are you using? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is where people find it interesting. [SPEAKER_02]: I have a hybrid voice system set up. [SPEAKER_02]: If you, if it's not what you think, so I'm using the AI as a voice, [SPEAKER_02]: recognition part of the thing and they generate stands for as well.

28:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm using the Microsoft to speak it out. [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: And so you said that you've killed the AI listening, is this using home assistant voice or if you're rolling your own? [SPEAKER_02]: The home assistant voice, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

29:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So under the assist, that setup that's using the OpenAI Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Check GPT or whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: So everything is working on that side. [SPEAKER_02]: I know if we're talking about local voice processing and it's not the best. [SPEAKER_02]: But the problem is that at home here, I'm speaking mostly Hungarian.

29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's not as good as you expect. [SPEAKER_02]: In English, that could be much better. [SPEAKER_02]: uh, working as you expected, but in Hungary, and it's a bit difficult. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, what? [SPEAKER_00]: So, I've only got, uh, I'm just an English speaker here in Australia.

29:59 [SPEAKER_00]: What are the, like, does the Google home Amazon echo today speak Hungarian? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't voice that was the main reason why I started to work on this project. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so we were waiting for the [SPEAKER_02]: I was a Google user and the Google was mentioning a language extension for the supported languages years ago, three years ago, four years ago, and there were rumors about the Hungarian language as well.

30:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I think 15 languages are right, but not the Hungarian. [SPEAKER_02]: I know that it's a difficult language, really. [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the most difficult language on the world. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not easy to reproduce by even AI. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm using the Clothing Eyes Daily Base, and they can even make mistakes in the language.

30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so then you've got, I was sort of trying to make it a leading question here, but you've got the Google home, devising your home, that wasn't good enough for you, so you've sort of created your own replacement for that. [SPEAKER_00]: Can you explain what what do you created? [SPEAKER_02]: It started when the homosystems always started.

31:14 [SPEAKER_02]: At the very beginning, I don't know, maybe three years ago, we started to build a process devices on ESP32 and INMP, mics, and mocks, docks. [SPEAKER_02]: So I started to use the voice assist back in those times, but the problem was that, it worked very good when you were close to it, and there were silence around it.

31:42 [SPEAKER_02]: There are no any voice processing inside except the street I square as lines and that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because this was like one of the revolutionary features of the Amazon Echo and Google Home when they came out like you could have those speakers in a room, they could be blaring up music and you could yell at them from across the room and they would somehow be able to cancel that all the other audio in the room and hone you on Google voice.

32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember like good look. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way this would work, but it works pretty well. [SPEAKER_02]: You can you can even research the almost on products. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it'll come with the back to you. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: The Amazon product voice processing is another level, so they usually have 6, 7 or even more mics.

32:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure I didn't even open it, but I heard at least 4 mics in it, which is more than what the second generation mini has because that has only 3 in it. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm using only 2. [SPEAKER_02]: but still good for the reverb cancellation or noise cancellation or those kind of stuff.

32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So one of the philosophies of the open home foundation and home assistant, but the three main ones are privacy, sustainability, and choice. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, so you've created, you've got a crowd supply campaign going at the moment for the Mickey Mic, which is a, imagine it's a PCB replacement board that it will drop into a Google home mini, [SPEAKER_00]: For me, like, that just goes straight to those principles, right?

33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, now it's repurposing someone's advice, because who knows when Google is going to kill that device, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, say tomorrow, hey, when it's the longer supporting, the Google has made it good by, and everyone's got a paperweight. [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, people can go onto a crowd supply.

33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: They can order this, and then you've got some instructions. [SPEAKER_00]: People can open it up. [SPEAKER_00]: and put this device into an existing Google home mini and it is a solver in a while like how do you look in store? [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: So there is only two connectors which you should plug in and that's it.

33:59 [SPEAKER_02]: There is no one is soldering, you don't need to do anything. [SPEAKER_02]: And the PCB itself is reuses all the touch sensors on the case of the original device as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's reusing the hardware. [SPEAKER_00]: So is it then using the microphones from Google CG? [SPEAKER_00]: Not like the, not because I know the phones.

34:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So the thing, what we are reusing is the pull is the power and USB router boards, which is connected with an FPC cable to the new motherboard. [SPEAKER_02]: And the mics at the LEDs, the speaker connectors [SPEAKER_02]: and we're using the original speaker. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so does that mean like if I've got a Google home many today and I plug that board in, it will use the microphones that Google have on this or if you're your own microphone.

34:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It has the microphone. [SPEAKER_02]: The new board has the microphone as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's built in. [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: So how did you go about figuring out a lot of this stuff, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Again, a lot of our listeners are not hardware.

35:13 [SPEAKER_01]: People, some are some are not, I'm not, right? [SPEAKER_01]: How did you go about saying, okay, you know what, this is how it all goes together, this is what I need to do, what did that process look like for you, like in terms of building a product? [SPEAKER_02]: The electronic stop was a hobby of me all of my life.

35:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Since I was three years old, I started with my mother's little pocket radio. [SPEAKER_02]: I took it apart, I tried to fix it, it wasn't bad anyways, but I made it. [SPEAKER_02]: It was not the first PCB what I made or what I planned, but the previous ones was way easier or how to say that.

36:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It was only just a microcontroller, some kind of sensors on it or connectors to a sensor or LED controllers or whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: This one is a whole new level. [SPEAKER_02]: I had to learn a lot as I mentioned before. [SPEAKER_02]: I never learned the electrician or... [SPEAKER_02]: or development of these kind of things in my life except what I learned in the last one year.

36:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: So you basically just opened up this Google Home Mini, like I've opened up hardware before and somehow I've looked at it, I'm like, there is no way I'd know what I'm doing. [SPEAKER_00]: I put it back together and it doesn't work anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: Like just me looking at it, the thing is broken.

36:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I was so proud of that in all of my life, if I took apart something this month or something and when I built it back that these those things are worked at least the same as before if not there. [SPEAKER_02]: So, that's it. [SPEAKER_02]: You guys talked about this in one of the previous, uh, uh, stream.

37:17 [SPEAKER_02]: The idea was good, but how he did, it wasn't perfect. [SPEAKER_02]: It was good for the purpose for a while, but it's way far from perfect. [SPEAKER_02]: And when the nabukaza released the, uh, the voice preview edition, I had everything what I needed. [SPEAKER_02]: I have to say that I would never do this from myself but with the help, what I got from them and actually they're open less of the project that helps to build this, this BCBL.

37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: So you use that almost as an inspiration or a place to learn, how some of these [SPEAKER_01]: But building a smart poises system. [SPEAKER_02]: It's exactly the same what I mentioned regarding the Nordred about half an hour ago. [SPEAKER_02]: I took the snippets from here and from there.

38:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I had the shape what I was fixed if I wanted to make a drop-in PCB and I tried to get the ideas from here from there from my own GitHub. [SPEAKER_02]: I go the ideas from there as well. [SPEAKER_02]: there were a few guys giving me ideas about what to do, how to do, but still let's say 80% of the PCB is based on the voice preview edition.

38:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to leave out few things because I don't need sensors on it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have any push button on it, but I have that sensors. [SPEAKER_02]: So there are some hardware differences as well. [SPEAKER_02]: But the main part is the same. [SPEAKER_02]: The same microcontroller, the same voice processing unit, [SPEAKER_02]: The same doc, the same boar amplifier on it, everything is the same.

39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So basically with your PCB, I can turn a Google Home Mini, which has been, like, which actually looks nice, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's a, it's got a, a fabric top, and turn that into a, I assume, now a voice, a preview edition, or a home business voice satellite. [SPEAKER_00]: So I get the full home business integration.

39:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It will be a voice-assist compatible device, yes. [SPEAKER_02]: So it will show us up into whom a system just like the voice-assist system preview edition. [SPEAKER_01]: And on top of that, are we also able to, again, like that in with music assistant, for example, and then say, [SPEAKER_01]: play whatever music you want because one of the things that comes short on the voice PE boxes is the speaker quality on there, right?

40:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's again, it's meant to be a preview edition, it's meant for exactly like what every did with it, it actually is like using as a blueprint and build something cool [SPEAKER_01]: great relative to that even even the minis is better than the voice in the edition. [SPEAKER_02]: Well the sound quality is definitely better but don't forget that the the the previous edition has a jack out on it so you can get an advantage to any of the speakers.

40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly so no but I'm saying natively in this one box. [SPEAKER_01]: you get that without having to connect to an extra external speaker, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of cool there. [SPEAKER_00]: So what versions of the Google Home Mini is a support because I think there's a few versions?

41:14 [SPEAKER_02]: This basically is built for the first generation. [SPEAKER_02]: But for those who are waiting for the second gen, that's on the way as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: The hardware itself is ready for manufacturing. [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing what I have to do is a validation batch to order.

41:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The downside of this, I have an active campaign with a crow supply at the moment. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's not really a good idea to run two campaigns in the same time. [SPEAKER_02]: So I have to wait until this campaign is finished. [SPEAKER_02]: I have to fulfill all the orders. [SPEAKER_02]: to grow supply and then I can do the second gen. Well, and just on that, I know at least the time of recording.

42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You have gone beyond your goal. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we mentioned before recording. [SPEAKER_00]: You had like a goal of 200 units. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that still the what you've reached now? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think it's. [SPEAKER_02]: So the original goal was $8,000. [SPEAKER_02]: which covers about 200 units or well 100 something now we are almost 76,000 dollars so we are over a 1000 unit already and this is just for advice to do genuine, right?

42:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the Demon will be even higher for the second gen, so many people waiting for that. [SPEAKER_02]: And the reason is because most of the users are swaps to the second gen when that was released. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and yeah, and what's cool about this is, again, because it's all local, it's all whatever.

43:06 [SPEAKER_02]: can be all local. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's an option of the user. [SPEAKER_02]: If they want to use with an AI, they can. [SPEAKER_02]: If they want to use fully local, they can. [SPEAKER_02]: So at least this board gives the option. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's nice because you can give an extra life into some of these devices, right, into some of these Google homes and whatever that [SPEAKER_01]: either a, you might be looking at trashing or b, they just, you know, they died, but you know, on the PCB, it's just PCB swap anyways.

43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you're using the speaker hardware and the touch buttons, whatever, and then you can just give it a new life. [SPEAKER_01]: So you've now renewed it for even even quite honestly, if you stop working on the project, it'll still continue working, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and that's the cool part here, right?

43:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And from the other side, you have mentioned that already. [SPEAKER_02]: You have a mini as well. [SPEAKER_02]: It still looks nice. [SPEAKER_02]: There are three or four colors of them. [SPEAKER_02]: So it can fit to any desk and still sounds good. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the second gen is better in its own quality, so that's why the second gen will get a better pull around to fire on it, and we'll see how that's worked.

44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That is so good. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm going to be a bit biased. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have not used Google home. [SPEAKER_00]: I somehow managed to avoid the free Google home giveaways. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Google was just giving them out [SPEAKER_00]: Have you got any eye plans for coming over to the dark side and the Amazon Echo devices?

44:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, I have a road plan. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. [SPEAKER_02]: So I started with the first Jan of the Google Minis. [SPEAKER_02]: Then the second, as I mentioned, will be the second Jan. And then what I'm planning to do is to put up a poll or questioner to somewhere and find out which [SPEAKER_02]: would be the best to make next.

45:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably that will be an Amazon speaker, an echo. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know which one because there were so many variants of that. [SPEAKER_02]: So many, so many pop so many echoes. [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, honestly, I don't know the product itself as I never used the echoes, but I know they are popular as well and so many questions, what I got about the Amazon product as well.

45:40 [SPEAKER_02]: decroved one study as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Like if I couldn't read you like I've got the first gen echo dot right now like Amazon's got so many new features like they put the Amazon Echo Plus and [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, you can't do that anymore, so clearly the hardware is dating.

46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If I can somehow breathe new life into that, you know, because it has good, it's got the four Mark Frone's that you mentioned. [SPEAKER_00]: Like if I breathe new life into this device, then that would be fantastic. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but with the Amazon products, there is a, there is a small issue.

46:20 [SPEAKER_02]: As I mentioned before, the Amazon voice processing is almost excellent. [SPEAKER_02]: With this X-most CPU, what I'm using, that cannot be. [SPEAKER_02]: Or not the CPU is there, is there a bottleneck of this, that's there firmware itself. [SPEAKER_02]: So the firmware, what we are using, everyone, the satellite one is using the same demos of 12 as well, using only two microphones, which is not enough compared with the Amazon products, where they're using at least four, [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's so nice.

46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But then yeah, I guess this is how do you go around like finding all this out? [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said you're only being doing this for a year. [SPEAKER_00]: Like how do you get into such into the weeds of this? [SPEAKER_00]: Like you've got a process that you follow. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you doing trial and error to work out?

47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't do this because of this software issue or relying on people to help you like from the community. [SPEAKER_02]: on software side, the triano and error is okay. [SPEAKER_02]: You can do that endless and I did that through so many nights. [SPEAKER_02]: Just rebuild the software, flash it, try it, still not working, try again.

47:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I have done that already, especially with the with the axmos, because I had to change the [SPEAKER_02]: It's not easy, it's not easy to work on it, and of course, I used AI help because from myself, I could do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I said, I'm not a software engineer at all, but I could do, well, by the homocystent voice preview edition, X-MOS firmware, there is a hardware check.

48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They are using a dock, which should [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm planning to use a different duck on my next project. [SPEAKER_02]: So I started to remove this requirement from that firmware. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I have a success as well, but I can't test it yet. [SPEAKER_00]: interesting.

48:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Now the actually brings up a question in itself. [SPEAKER_00]: So the way you've designed the connection to the existing hardware of the very mini, are you able to push out new functionality with a firmware or software update in the future? [SPEAKER_02]: I think the functionality which is built into the [SPEAKER_02]: There are not too many things can be uttered.

49:02 [SPEAKER_02]: If I want to add something, well, it's a purpose build PCB, so it's not to serve everyone or every single request. [SPEAKER_02]: The purpose is to replace the PCB in the Google Home Mini and give you the option to connect to Home Assistant at work on local. [SPEAKER_02]: The preview edition from Home Assistant from Nabokaza, [SPEAKER_02]: has an option to connect sensors on it.

49:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no space within the case of the Google Home Minute. [SPEAKER_02]: So I had to leave it out completely. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Plus it's, it's, you'd probably need to modify the shell and stuff like that if you needed it. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I wanted to avoid. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

49:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whether necessarily makes sense, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So I wanted to have the same products from the outside, [SPEAKER_02]: Well, nobody can say it's different than a Google home. [SPEAKER_02]: Until you ask something from that, that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: Which I guess does that mean you get all the way forward to take, like you've got, okay, never can be programmed to use this, or going to custom way forward?

50:14 [SPEAKER_02]: The wayquarts I'm using the same three, officially, it's released with the preview addition. [SPEAKER_02]: The Oknable Hager is in, and Haymeichroft, I think that's the three. [SPEAKER_02]: There are an option to add more. [SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing is working on ESP home. [SPEAKER_02]: So even you can train a new wakeward for yourself if you want to, which is a difficult process.

50:42 [SPEAKER_02]: How inwards. [SPEAKER_02]: Or, [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's it, actually. [SPEAKER_02]: So that can be changed. [SPEAKER_02]: As it based on ESP, whom anyone can change anything within the hardware limits, of course. [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, that's the purpose of an open hardware opens off the, I think.

51:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: How have you gone around, like, from inception of this? [SPEAKER_00]: When did you decide that, okay, this is a product that I could sell. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, people were going to be interested to buy in this. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, when did that sort of realization come to you?

51:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You were surprised. [SPEAKER_02]: I never wanted to sell it. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I made it for the community. [SPEAKER_02]: And it was shared on PCB way as a shared project and anyone could order for themselves. [SPEAKER_02]: But the problem was that the minimum order quantity was 5.

51:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you order 5, the cost of the 5 PCB was somewhere in between 7 and 900 dollars for the 5 units. [SPEAKER_02]: which is not affordable for most of us. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not worth it. [SPEAKER_02]: I know that still the 85 dollars which is the actual price during the campaign of the PCB can be can be too high for some.

52:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Once the device was actually sometimes free of charge because you gather the [SPEAKER_02]: So the $85 can be high, but it's still hard for even less what you have to pay for order for yourself through any one-stop manufacturer. [SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't plan to sell it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just how I could present this to the crowd.

52:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I guess when you put that $85 into perspective, right, like, yeah, you just spent $50 on a Google home mini and the replies like to replace the just a board of it, it's $85. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Like there must be making a loss on those devices.

52:58 [SPEAKER_02]: it was a race with Amazon. [SPEAKER_02]: So they wanted to win the race and that's why they saw that cheaper than what it cost them. [SPEAKER_02]: While I read this somewhere, I'm not sure of the source. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I know. [SPEAKER_02]: And from the other side, the Nabokaz's previous edition speaker, yes, does cheaper than this product.

53:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But the fact is that I can't build or manufacture [SPEAKER_02]: 10,000 or even hundreds of thousands of days. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a low quantity of manufacturing, which means that the price is kind of the kind of goal over. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess you've really got a limit on your potential customers.

53:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You're really going to get the customers out of people that have this first gen Google One Mini, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas for voice preview edition, potential customers is anyone looking for a new voice product, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, in terms of, so you've decided, okay, I'm going to correct this on CrowdSupply, how has that process been for you?

54:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, did you have to go through any hoops tied to get certification or anything like that before you could start the CrowdSupply campaign? [SPEAKER_02]: It was way more difficult than I expected. [SPEAKER_02]: December 2025. [SPEAKER_02]: So six months ago, five months ago. [SPEAKER_02]: And surprisingly, I got green light after the first email.

54:35 [SPEAKER_02]: They said that they they need this product. [SPEAKER_02]: But they can't deal with me as an ordinary person. [SPEAKER_02]: I have to have a company. [SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't have. [SPEAKER_02]: I have never had a drug. [SPEAKER_02]: So the procedure of the company making it was well slow and unexpected, again, that's why we are just started the campaign two weeks ago or three weeks ago or something like that, two and a half weeks ago.

55:09 [SPEAKER_02]: because I had to wait for the whole procedure to make a company and I started in the voresperial at the back of January. [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was on holidays. [SPEAKER_02]: I had to wait for everything weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: Even my accountant, I had to wait for three weeks for him to come back to work.

55:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it wasn't an easy process. [SPEAKER_00]: Because these are like the things that you don't see right generally like what's a campaign starts there They've been through all this, but yeah, there's a whole bunch of the non-found and non-technical Like just the boring admin that you have to do to get a product ready to be sold And I have to say that I sacrificed myself on it because I never wanted to do this really Yeah, yeah, yeah [SPEAKER_02]: I think at the end of the last year someone was mentioned on GitHub or on the Home Assistant Form I can remember where let's do it go for go with the company and sell it out you deserve to get some money out of it but I didn't want to so that was not my goal at all.

56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I honestly hope, I do hope that there is success in this because I think there's been such a great interest on crowd supply for just the first generation of the Google home. [SPEAKER_00]: If you can branch out into other devices, I guess, potentially you could then once you've conquered all the Google homes and the Amazon devices, [SPEAKER_00]: at Mac friends instead, right?

56:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe there's portable Bluetooth speakers or old receivers or something that all bookshelf speakers that you could add smarts to. [SPEAKER_02]: That could be the end of the roadmap to make a universe or PCB to stick into anything what you want. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to do any more than, let's say, three to five speakers.

57:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not [SPEAKER_02]: So in this year there will be one more definitely, hopefully the crow supply onboarding will be way quicker than the first one. [SPEAKER_02]: If I see this in this way, there might be a third speaker at the end of this year, and that's it. [SPEAKER_02]: And for the next year, I might have one more and the universe or board as well.

57:41 [SPEAKER_02]: From the other side, [SPEAKER_02]: I got a few emails from here and there who want to join me, who wants me to make a company with them smart speakers and those kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't decide yet. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a bad idea to keep the product on sale or keep the people interesting in it or [SPEAKER_02]: the beginning I mentioned that I have so many on my plate at the moment and still I have an ordinary job next to it.

58:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say is this? [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, it's a full-time travel life and this is just an extension of that so yeah, I'm worked on this in my free time actually. [SPEAKER_00]: that is great. [SPEAKER_00]: I hope I wish you all success. [SPEAKER_00]: People can find the campaign on CrowdSupply.

58:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll leave a link in the shoutouts, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can go check that out if you're interested. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, thank you so much for joining us today. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys for joining us today. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for your time. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

58:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Cheers.