Cozy in Our Own Skin: Style, Aging & Feeling Good | Season 30

0:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back once again to homemaker chic podcast, where we are Angela. [SPEAKER_01]: Rescuing the art of homemaking from the Daily Grind, red lips and no denim jumpers. [SPEAKER_01]: Since the year 2000, or no, 2000, since 2020. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, you guys, we got a comment from somebody who said, I've been listening to you guys since I was 14.

0:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm married. [SPEAKER_01]: I had somebody come in the store and say that, I was like, that is so crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wow. [SPEAKER_00]: So here we are. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, ripening beautifully on the vine after all these years. [SPEAKER_00]: So what we're doing, I like to think so yeah, heck yeah, I don't know.

0:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to ask you if you have a recommendation for what Stewart is less of me was getting ready in the mirror this morning he's like, I guess this is just it [SPEAKER_00]: I guess this is just what's happening, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, no, no, no, no, it's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get a someone that was like caffeine under it.

1:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll choose for free. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: For the masks to put on in the morning, you know, it's a like there is this crazy product by Peter Thomas Roth that like goes like, like, I got it for Joel. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it where? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's freaky. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

1:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: So for it, it's like a black tube, like two-thirds the size of a toothpaste, and it's by Peter Thomas Roth. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's creepy. [SPEAKER_00]: See, I knew you would. [SPEAKER_01]: It's temporary. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

1:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everything. [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, yeah, it's creepy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just told him, like, so we're going to talk fashion today, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk fashion after we go through the comments and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: But, one of the things I love, particularly when I'm an Italy, is I love to see how older women dress.

2:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they've learned women are very self-aware for the most part and they've learned how to work with what they've got. [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: So like what happens, for example, when you get older as a woman, you tend to get funky things like elbow, weird elbow wrinkles and like clubs, okay?

2:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And who cares? [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm always impressed when I see older women who just sort of recognize what the passage of time does. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And we really play up their strengths. [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that's the difference, like I don't want to throw shade to us American gals, but I do think that's the difference between our experiences and our respective second countries and America is that, like, while I think here we're self-aware, we're just kind of like, what do I do?

3:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and I don't think there's as much intention and and like challenge accepted. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Now I wear a scarf or now I wear a belt around my blouse to give me some shape because I did the midlife spread or you know like whatever, you know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's not out of like shame.

3:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like oh, I know like this. [SPEAKER_00]: It's obviously I know what to do to make myself feel and love the best that I can. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I know what I think is beautiful and challenge accepted. [SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna, we're gonna dab into that a little bit today.

3:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I knew, like I mentioned this last week to Jay. [SPEAKER_01]: I said, Lonnie thinks we should do a fashion episode. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember her responding. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I just got home from grocery shopping. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a white tank top, no bra and a sweatshirt for the fashion episode.

4:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's great. [SPEAKER_01]: That's just great. [SPEAKER_00]: Lots of people have been watching the podcast, too, on Spotify. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_00]: YouTube. [SPEAKER_01]: And so my apologies for like how close the camera is. [SPEAKER_01]: I actually twist a black hair on my mustache right before we sit down just in some of those shots.

4:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like... [SPEAKER_01]: right up in my face. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little intimate. [SPEAKER_01]: We should do this. [SPEAKER_00]: But then some of the videos cropped like this for social media. [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's a little much. [SPEAKER_00]: So, here we are just just doing our best.

4:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys just doing our best. [SPEAKER_00]: How's your week been? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I am really just sort of writing high right now. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to tell you, I, I'm, it'll, don't worry, it'll crash and burn any minute. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I'm having a moment where it feels really, really good.

4:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I got home from my trip a couple of weeks ago. [SPEAKER_01]: I had a few like fun things at the shop. [SPEAKER_01]: I organized my closet for the season. [SPEAKER_01]: Today I got my truck cleaned. [SPEAKER_01]: I did like a massive grocery run, which I haven't done since July. [SPEAKER_01]: What?

5:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I haven't. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been nickel and dimming it since July. [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a kid off to college and then then I put my head down and started getting ready for my trip and then I got back. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was that. [SPEAKER_01]: There was no time for me to go to Green Bay or even budget too.

5:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I just got back. [SPEAKER_01]: My truck is full of groceries. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a two and a half week menu planned has to be smaller now because I don't have my walk in anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a fridge now. [SPEAKER_01]: And so, [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm feeling really dialed in, so that's good.

5:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That's good. [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you can. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, like, I said, every once in a while, you find it just text to me. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm sick. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

6:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't always feel like that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not always this like emotional. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, buzzy sort of a feeling. [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have it. [UNKNOWN]: Please, please, please. [SPEAKER_00]: This stay till at least three. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

6:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Help me. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: What about you? [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, did I tell you I got a walking treadmill desk? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: This sounds fancy. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys.

6:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It was $100. [SPEAKER_01]: No, they're really, really affordable being relative. [SPEAKER_01]: They're really affordable. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like we, I think of a treadmill. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, that's thousands of dollars. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like four feet by two feet and it has a little desk that goes over the top.

7:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about this last time. [SPEAKER_01]: Just on the phone. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, so it's a little desk that goes over, you know, I have to do a lot of work like whatever stage of life it is where you just put your nose down and grind is the stage of life story and iron right now and [SPEAKER_00]: You know, praise the Lord.

7:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We have everything we need and much, much more. [SPEAKER_00]: But it requires a lot of work. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I got this little treadmill desk. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, puttin' in five miles a day. [SPEAKER_00]: Just me on my little desk, walkin', walkin', walkin' for some time.

7:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So it actually comes to me. [SPEAKER_00]: It actually comes. [SPEAKER_00]: It comes with the desk. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I bought them separate, but it's a special desk and again, it was like it was $120 for both pieces. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: The desk sits up super high and you can adjust it very basic.

7:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And I put my laptop on there right where my hands need to be. [SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to have files per hour, 1.5. [SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: I write my substacks and edit things and do emails and all the stuff and I'm telling you what you guys, if you have a site, I feel like a new woman, not because I think it has it gives your energy somewhere to go.

8:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and like walking, you know, walking, how I feel about walking, like it's my spare animal. [SPEAKER_01]: Walking is just its own thing and you're not, if you're doing a mile and what? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's like nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're 15 minute miles like when you're cooking, you know, so you're just moving and not letting your body be in like a sedentary.

8:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be so good. [SPEAKER_01]: I have like, um, back in this, there's a nook in the back of my office here where I have my printer and it's kind of a second desk. [SPEAKER_01]: I keep all my pens and sort of ugly stuff over there that I don't want in this space, which is a little bit more styled and that sounds like a really because sometimes I'll just go there and stand.

9:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm standing on. [SPEAKER_01]: So I like this idea. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, I'm telling you, I'm telling you because I love you guys as hallmakers and I know you got to like be at the computer and you know, pay the water bill and like, oh, I got to call waste management because they did this thing wrong.

9:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got it. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know how that just like, oh, for me at least like it makes my skin cool. [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a punishment to me. [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a punishment. [SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm like, oh, I want to get up. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to get on the treadmill like I want to have computer work so I can get on the treadmill because we can't really walk here in the winter time it's really difficult obviously a lot of snow and ice tons of hills so like there's not like a flat area to walk and it's all agriculture in the summertime.

9:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No shoulder whatsoever to any of the roads around here so you have to walk in the road. [SPEAKER_00]: It's really dangerous. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have to come there. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a question for our listeners for next week's comments because every year I say, I'm going to keep walking in the winter.

10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've really flat flee. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to wear like a good shoe and snow boots aren't going to cut it. [SPEAKER_01]: Is there, like, some sort of hiking, walking, athletic, something that would keep my toes from falling off when it's four degrees, and if you have one, if you're a recommendation, and I am willing to invest because it just breaks my heart to not be outside walking.

10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So on days where the routes are plowed and you could actually do it, I would love to, but not, I don't want to wear my big clunky, clod hop or snow boots. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Those are hard to walk in. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I get desperate and I just go through the orchard rows in my snow boots, but it that's tough.

10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like your feet kind of sweat and then they get colder and your socks go down and slide. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't stand that. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have your [SPEAKER_00]: No, yes, once. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, do it in time, say every single year, we're like, we're going to take up snow showing.

11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you see them at Costco and you're like, I should get those, but then you go snow shoes time seven or eight. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem. [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a problem. [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're eight and nine dollars. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Costco. [SPEAKER_01]: There are six of us exactly every single year I stand there and you're like, well, I'm doing the math and it's two weeks before Christmas, so I guess I'll hope for next year.

11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I know every year we say we're going to do it because like I said, it's all hills here. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to be really careful with the where you walk here in the winter time and of course all my very well-meaning Pacific Northwest friends were like, oh, you just take up skin. [SPEAKER_00]: No, cross, I'm not going to ski.

11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's not gonna happen. [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna add a downhill skier, like no skier. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not in anything skier. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm high. [SPEAKER_00]: First off, I'm a 40-year-old woman who's never skied before. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, ever. [SPEAKER_00]: Really? [SPEAKER_00]: They always try to sound like, oh, come skiing.

12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun, you get outside. [SPEAKER_00]: You see the sun? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my father, brother just busted his knee open. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's got a concussion. [SPEAKER_00]: You tore his ACL and you're like, you're not selling it. [SPEAKER_00]: True, true. [SPEAKER_00]: True. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would.

12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not skied in a long time, but like we used to go to like New Year's Eve, like midnight skis, like I grew up skiing a bit. [SPEAKER_01]: My brother skied a lot more than I did, but I wish I I did love it. [SPEAKER_01]: Downhill, not cross country. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather hurl myself off a cliff than down than cross country ski.

12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't imagine anything more awkward. [SPEAKER_00]: And here's the other thing. [SPEAKER_00]: You can be like chaffling along a flat cross. [SPEAKER_00]: You can be the type of family who goes skiing. [SPEAKER_00]: Or you can be the type of family that every once in a while gets to go to Italy, but I guarantee you you cannot begin to both this is true.

13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't have much of the season's past $450 per person before gear before equipment. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and our closest place is to two and a half hours from here. [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: but I did love it. [SPEAKER_01]: But I can see how I would be a little bit trepidacious.

13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just the chairlift alone is like, okay, there I go, here I go, here I go. [SPEAKER_01]: And get off, so I can't explain. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Nope. [SPEAKER_00]: Nope. [SPEAKER_00]: We have a friend that we call it all of our kids to ski and I'm really grateful to him for that.

13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, that's what all their friends do so they want to go. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: I, A, I just can't believe how expensive it is, which is totally fine. [SPEAKER_00]: We all have our own. [SPEAKER_01]: Is it though? [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not, it's not like a family's hobby.

13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, I can't justify a day pass as $40. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, do you know how much meat that is? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, you're funny when I was a kid we'd like let them all like let the paper tags I don't know if they still do that like on your coat on your zipper like They put like this hang tag on your zipper and we would let them build up, you know, like look how many times I've found this thing it's on Exactly, yeah Exactly it is [SPEAKER_00]: It is an into the garbage dump.

14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Mind you. [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like a real. [SPEAKER_01]: It was the one in town. [SPEAKER_01]: It was like the garbage dump in Grand Rapids. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Cannonsburg shout out. [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably not even there anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a culture here, but that's what everyone looks forward to all winter.

14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you don't look forward to that, I guess you just can't have your walking dress. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you just, I guess it was not tearing their ACL and dreaming of snow shoes. [SPEAKER_00]: Buying tickets, it like no, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, if anybody else has computer work works at home, whatever, like, are you getting them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get them to get

15:11 [SPEAKER_00]: sad. [SPEAKER_01]: Shay, I'm telling you, walking, it is, it is you for it. [SPEAKER_01]: It is like a drug. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking of some certain children that might benefit from that during the school day. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, my kids will do their math at there. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they walk very slow, but it's like enough that they don't, I don't know.

15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't come out of their skin in a single way. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, think about it. [SPEAKER_01]: If your skin is crawling, think about a kid. [SPEAKER_01]: They're made to move. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, my friend Kelly told me that there's actually something about repetitive motions like biologically you have things in certain I don't know what I'm talking about you have things in one part of your brain and there's something about a physical motion that allows it to go to a different part.

15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And so when you're actually moving, it's like your file, like, could you, could you, could you, and stuff is moving from one side to the other? [SPEAKER_00]: Doctors and doctors in the crowd in your own scientists, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Help us out, but I'll tell you what, genuinely a mood booster.

16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even get to like smell fresh air or I could open my window, I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, you get a lot more benefits being outside and such, but the ease, so when you have these like blocks to certain things in your life, like, oh, I can't go to the gym because blah, blah, blah, blah, that's why I got my stupid little total because I could come up with excuses every day why I couldn't go to the gym.

16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: When you take some of those away, like, oh, I can't go for a walk because I need the instant pot to I need to push the button on that when it's ready. [SPEAKER_00]: If whatever it is, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you're just walking at home and you can stop whenever you want and deal with whatever you need to, it's helpful.

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19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We've, yeah, we've done it. [SPEAKER_01]: That horses dead. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, here's one from Luz, Luz. [SPEAKER_00]: Luis Palachos. [SPEAKER_00]: Ladies, I felt the episode deeply. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the kid episode we did last week. [SPEAKER_00]: And I have a PSA.

19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Get your five words checked, specifically during or after a stressful season. [SPEAKER_00]: I was super intense and blowing at my kids ridiculously quick and self-aware. [SPEAKER_01]: and self-aware to why is this happening? [SPEAKER_01]: So she was cognizant of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

19:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Turns out my thyroid is releasing way too many hormones, hyperthyroidism, and no matter how much I worked on my mindset or journal or debriefs. [SPEAKER_00]: I was fighting against my body, and the doctor said none of these would have worked with the cocktail of hormones in me. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know anything about thyroids?

20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I had postpartum hypo thyroid after [SPEAKER_01]: after Juliet, after Anais. [SPEAKER_01]: And... [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_01]: I just remember being so emotional. [SPEAKER_01]: I can think of one minute moment in particular at halfway farm. [SPEAKER_01]: The kids were playing at the end of the hall and I literally just I was at the opposing end and I was watching them and it should have been joyous.

20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They were adorable. [SPEAKER_01]: They were giggling and I could not stop crying and I just I just remember sliding down the wall to like [SPEAKER_01]: It was no way now. [SPEAKER_01]: I went after it, like with diet and exercise and stuff because it was postpartum. [SPEAKER_01]: They said that it could end up being temporary.

21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted me to go on like, statins and everything because my cholesterol was really high and you know me, I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: pass. [SPEAKER_01]: But then by the time I got it checked again, I had like natural's like by the time I got it checked again after whatever I did I don't remember because obviously that was 13 years ago it was calm down but I do get it checked on the regular like once a year when I do my hormones or whatever I get it checked.

21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: last year there was something that wasn't converting to something. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything about the thyroid. [SPEAKER_01]: It was the T3 not converting to the T4 or vice versa. [SPEAKER_01]: But again, when I was working with a doctor and some supplements and then by the next time we checked, it was sorted out.

21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So I do try to be mindful of it because [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's one of those things that can cause a lot of problems. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember, like, my eyebrows were like going on the sides. [SPEAKER_01]: And you kind of don't realize it till you realize that it's your thyroid. [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting because I was just thinking about blocking my eyebrows, like, further in. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, would this, like, that lift? [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it would. [SPEAKER_01]: I had, you know, it actually would, and you know, how in the past, like, when I used to blog more often, I'd be really critical of this scary looking women at Sephora that would, like, come at you, like, let me do your makeup, let me help you.

22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: get away from me. [SPEAKER_01]: But I remember this scary looking woman at Sephora saying, I was, you know, messing with my eyebrows and she said, you know, if you clean up a little bit down on your bone. [SPEAKER_01]: instead of them like curving down, not mine didn't really curve, but that will kind of give the illusion that everything's going up.

22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes when I'm looking in the mirror, I'm like, what is going on? [SPEAKER_01]: Then I realized they've kind of just got a little auto control on the very ends. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want them too short, because that looks weird. [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're feeling a little dumpy, get rid of three or four on each side.

23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Or get high-plot thyroid as long. [UNKNOWN]: Or just. [SPEAKER_01]: But losing your outside of your eyebrows [SPEAKER_00]: that's wild. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know anything about I don't know anything about this. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean it. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I know I understand the sentiment of what she's saying for sure.

23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just think there is, um, you got to know when to pivot and when to push. [SPEAKER_00]: And pushing through and training your spirit and your heart like, yeah, that's part of it. [SPEAKER_00]: And there are times when you're [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and you actually need to do something bigger than just get yourself in order to get into your body.

23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really, really well. [SPEAKER_01]: I think in particular, Christian women need to give themselves permission that not everything needs to go in its own box. [SPEAKER_01]: You can actually have biological things happening that are affecting your countenance. [SPEAKER_01]: That is an okay, you know, I think we put a lot of pressure on ourselves to.

24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: get right, not by our own, but like we also have this thing called a body. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's fallen. [SPEAKER_01]: Your problems happen. [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the physical and the virtual car. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to be working together. [SPEAKER_00]: No one really believes me that potatoes make me angry.

24:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I am so attempted to eat a potato. [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's how I know. [SPEAKER_00]: See, she's laughing. [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds insane. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember when you first told me. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, then a few months ago, you're like, I'm raging, raging, raging. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I realized I ate potatoes.

24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you know, you're not a potato. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a problem anymore and how many years did I say like, oh, I don't deal with like sadness. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't rage. [SPEAKER_01]: I will say I deal with rage. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, where is that one? [SPEAKER_01]: A comedian down. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we do have to talk fashion. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to cruise through some of these. [SPEAKER_00]: I love your reading your guys. [SPEAKER_00]: This comments, this will come back next week. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll just do a big fat comment episode next week.

25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something. [SPEAKER_00]: It's one from Kelsey, though. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to read. [SPEAKER_00]: She said I went to Instagram to see what post she made to see what spicy opinion she posted. [SPEAKER_00]: I shared last week about how we had a real that went viral. [SPEAKER_00]: Nope, just cook and pasta in the sauce.

25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm disappointed that it was so tame and disappointing a people for losing their minds over that. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, seriously. [SPEAKER_00]: Hoot. [SPEAKER_00]: That was a hoot. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a real crazy thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I love, I love my, [SPEAKER_00]: like online entourage because they have been sending me reals, articles, recipes, cooking clips of cooking shows all week long.

26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's here's a Christopher Kimball from Milk Street. [SPEAKER_00]: Here he is doing this. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here's Martha Stewart. [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: They definitely have your back. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that about this. [SPEAKER_01]: Instagram DMs.

26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, I had to send this to you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I need you to know this. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Angela doesn't know what fashion we're going to talk about today. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, evidently, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to run it by her. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because, you know, look, we want to feel our best right we did an entire season about the uniform of the whole makeup.

26:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I did get a sweet comment on Instagram the other day and she said you always look so put together and I was like, well, that's because I feel mud days. [SPEAKER_00]: I washed my hair. [SPEAKER_00]: But also, also I'm not 20 anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's not just like youthful essence and perk to rely on this takes work.

27:12 [UNKNOWN]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: It takes work. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, one of the reasons that I find. [SPEAKER_00]: And, and I want to hear your opinion on this. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I know that youngins, the young folk, they're sort of correlated with fashion, fashion for the youngins, right?

27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're the ones like shopping and targeted and they spend all their money on these kinds of things. [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like, but do they really dress fashionable anymore? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, that's a different question. [SPEAKER_00]: Hang on to it. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that women, as they get a little bit older, please let me know in the comments if this is you, as they get a little bit older, I do think they start to pay attention to things more.

27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They start to pay attention to things like grooming, a little bit more, you know, they've spent a long time like their face. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, so they tend to know what suits them. [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I look back on old photographs from my early 20s and I'm like, really? [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what in what world was any of that a good idea? [SPEAKER_00]: But at the time, I just didn't know enough about myself to know. [SPEAKER_00]: There is this like incredible beauty that settles into an older woman who has spent so long with her body. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Has it always been that older women care a little bit more or I guess I'll just stop the question there.

28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that this is [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it a reaction to a youth-obsessed culture? [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you're asking? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: That was a long way to ask it. [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh... Golly. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know because, I mean, it's so easy to look at photographs of other decades and go like, oh, look at how old people looked in the 90s when they were 50 compared to now.

29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's just style and hair color and technology. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I mean, I guess it's an interesting question. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, no 20-year-old, well, I'm speaking about painting with broad strokes. [SPEAKER_00]: Most 20-year-olds don't have like a big, beautiful jewelry collection.

29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: And are we, are we costuming? [SPEAKER_01]: What are we? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, older women tend to have, [SPEAKER_00]: curated things like that and collected pieces over life, right?

29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: A friend gets them some earrings for their birthday They get a special ring for their anniversary these kinds of things, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think part of it is just the natural passage of time I don't know collect some of those spices together. [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a big jewelry person?

30:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I am now Okay, isn't that weird? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah [SPEAKER_00]: It is. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't even think when we started this fight, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, outside of like gold chains and a gold watch, are you a jewelry person? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm becoming one.

30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I am becoming one. [SPEAKER_00]: I really like it. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it kind of goes back to what we were talking about at the beginning of the sok. [SPEAKER_00]: If you have older woman hands. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: which is praise the Lord.

30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You have older woman hands, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Writing old, that's the goal, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Older woman hands look really beautiful in all different kinds of ways. [SPEAKER_00]: My hands feel best to me when my nails are clean and taken care of, and I have some rings on. [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I wear a lot like little bracelets or bangles or these, that's when I feel loved one.

31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes me feel lovely. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's because you don't need that at 20. [SPEAKER_01]: maybe. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: My girls were a lot of jewelry. [SPEAKER_01]: They have multiple piercings and they were a lot of necklaces. [SPEAKER_01]: I've always been a jewelry person because I love costume jewelry.

31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It started at a young age with vintage costume jewelry. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do really know what suits. [SPEAKER_01]: I will just like zero in on one piece at the store and like that, I have to have that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like this summer I sat T.J. Max and there was a gold, a big chunky, not like finger-sized chunky, but it just was like big links.

31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I had it on last week on the show, a gold chain. [SPEAKER_01]: It was on clearance for 399. [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I need that. [SPEAKER_01]: That is me right there. [SPEAKER_01]: And I will wear that until it tornishes. [SPEAKER_01]: White, blouse. [SPEAKER_01]: I wear often with like, oh, my sweatshirts from the store that I wear all the time.

32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the last year, like, I'm all about the bangles. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm always clinging and clinking. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I took them off before we were clinging. [SPEAKER_01]: I took them off a lot for the show because they're loud because I'm always, yeah.

32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Mhm. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, lucky for you, gold, gold is in and never went out. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: But like there was definitely a silver white gold stage. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I have a silver wedding ring which drives me nuts actually it's white gold, but you know what I mean, it matches nothing else I wear because [SPEAKER_01]: I, when I got mine, I have a gold engagement band and then white gold stackables on top and bottom because I'm like, look, I got to have the versatility.

32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's always been my permissions to make my medals. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I told you for our anniversary. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, just get me, even just a gold band. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like that's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Just a gold band. [SPEAKER_00]: Just so it matches everything because I feel silly.

33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you tell me what you think about this. [SPEAKER_00]: shape. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to like this. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Shape and polish our back. [SPEAKER_00]: And oversized slouchy is fading. [SPEAKER_00]: True or false? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, if it's set, if that's what the powers that [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I love structure. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So apparently, Vogue came out with this term, which always drives me nuts when they coins. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, how inventive. [SPEAKER_00]: But they're calling it the updated lady. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, which is basically a polished feminine.

34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: More structured. [SPEAKER_00]: More defined. [SPEAKER_00]: feminine look. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you seeing this? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well I'll give you here's an example last year in Paris I bought this white blouse of course I did and it was very boxy and I I have like an hour glass figure like the my waist is like the one thing that hasn't failed me yet you know thank goodness you know so I'm always like how can I accentuate this?

34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also don't want to look outdated. [SPEAKER_01]: So when the boxy thing came out, I'm like, okay, I'm not going to got my whole wardrobe and go where a cardboard box. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to have this. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to experiment with this. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I tried on this box and I have a sales woman in Paris that that's in this little tiny boutique and I work with her all the time.

35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she knows me at this point, which is so cool. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's really knowledgeable and I had this box on and I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, could put a belt on, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_01]: And now this year, just a few weeks ago, I went in, and it's the same brand, and I was looking at the blouse she had on and I had this, like, definition, like, right under her breasts, it was so cute.

35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really flattering. [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I don't know what you had. [SPEAKER_01]: I want that one. [SPEAKER_01]: And she had it in white. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: She had it in white. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's sort of, I guess I misspoke when I said it was defined under her breasts.

35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a blouse on the front like Oxford. [SPEAKER_01]: But then the back has like a pep plum. [SPEAKER_01]: The back says I have a waist. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cute. [SPEAKER_01]: She had one in my size and one either of the size is a touch smaller touch bigger. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'll just take them both because I always buy two if it's white blouse. [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. [SPEAKER_01]: So there may be that speaking to the trend at last year in Paris. [SPEAKER_01]: It was box here and this year there's a little bit of this. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cute.

36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, show me. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to show me. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think that's lovely because I think [SPEAKER_00]: I think women are really beautiful and I think we can do ourselves a lot of favors and being like, no, this is this is the shape or this is the beautiful part that the Lord gave me and look, we don't get them all.

36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't get them all said before. [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, there's a reason the Lord didn't give me the ladies because he knew what I would do. [SPEAKER_01]: I would have a lot of fun with those. [SPEAKER_01]: So, so what is, what is this, how is this style being shaded? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm shaded like it.

37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The updated. [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, defined as blouses, defined as skirt suits, skirt suits. [SPEAKER_00]: As an alternative to like the oversight. [SPEAKER_01]: The pencil or the pen. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so like um tailored jackets like if you wear a blazer, which is kind of slightly more fast, but it's like now we want the little short ones and we want them to be in it the waist and like that kind of sculpted silhouettes feminine fabrics like velvet silk these kinds of things.

37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: way more conducive to multiple body types, the big tall slouchy or the big long slouchy like suit, that looks great if you're tall and thin, 5, 11, 1. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this other style you're describing is way more conducive to a lot more people. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this one I reject, but it's okay.

38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, they are saying, and I have cited multiple sources here. [SPEAKER_00]: I did a lot of research. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Brown is the new neutral. [SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to black, white. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Difference shades of espresso, chocolate. [SPEAKER_00]: apparently Victoria Beckham.

38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the one who sort of pushed this forward. [SPEAKER_00]: Easy to style. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Broadly flattering. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe not. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe depends on the shade. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe your if it's right next to your face then do something else.

38:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean if it's if you don't. [SPEAKER_01]: If you feel I do I have a lot of brown to your face. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I didn't use to, but yeah, I do, and then I try to put like pale pink with it or navy blue with it. [SPEAKER_01]: I love it with turquoise. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't, yeah, I can't picture this.

39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I like it. [SPEAKER_00]: I have like a, I have a kind of a neutral top that I got from quince. [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of like a Like a cafe latte color. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the most brown thing that I have. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's okay, you know, the color's okay.

39:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll tell you what, every time I wear black, I'm like, I was made for this color. [SPEAKER_01]: I also blonde. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I wish I, I like black, but if I wear some days, I just, it does not work for me. [SPEAKER_01]: I did get a new black blouse in Paris. [SPEAKER_01]: It's lace, it has like a big, [SPEAKER_01]: Like four and a half inch cuff, and it's really fun.

39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And I got a combo, let's just cheap jewelry, you know, but like a multiple little tiny gold chains and black chains on one thing. [SPEAKER_01]: And that is again, I saw it, oh, that's me. [SPEAKER_01]: That one, that one right there, I'm going to work with that. [SPEAKER_01]: And I've never seen anything like it.

40:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I should have bought two for when it breaks. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wait, I do hate that about jewelry. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have enough money to buy super nice jewelry. [SPEAKER_00]: But then you end up buying not nice jewelry over and over again or really loving a piece. [SPEAKER_01]: And then my chemistry, I have to kind of buy upper costume jewelry [SPEAKER_00]: Now we're going to turn you green, you know, yeah, you have a special space and you want to make it beautiful some of the most powerful ways we transform our spaces is with light and scent and the gorgeous candles and fragrances from salt and light by Sammy will do just that well my gosh you guys I have their candles all over my bedroom I cannot get enough of how thoughtful and refined the sense smell Sammy and Ben are on a mission with their family run business.

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43:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We go to these, um [SPEAKER_00]: amazing hot springs which that word doesn't do justice to what these are when we go to Italy and we I went the first time and I'm just having the time and while I'm like smearing all this mineral stuff all over my body I'm just living my best life and I get out and I realize all of my jewelry has been like [SPEAKER_00]: It's severely tainted.

43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So when we took the guests in September, I was like, take all your jewelry off. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, not let it into this, because it'll just go green and awful. [SPEAKER_00]: But I did happen upon a jewelry store in Montipulchano, and they make their jewelry out of brass, so that it doesn't turn.

43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very inexpensive, but it doesn't tarnish. [SPEAKER_00]: So like this ring that I have here. [SPEAKER_00]: This is when I wear every single day. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and I've had this on for like six months, and it was nine. [SPEAKER_00]: It was all it was nine dollars. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Okay, well, or anyway So I'm gonna think about if you're shopping But yeah, Sprown is the brown is the new troll I mean, I do like it with pale pink like very pale like little girl pink turquoise and blue.

44:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I wear it with [SPEAKER_00]: I would never wear that, no way. [SPEAKER_00]: But again, this is just body wisdom. [SPEAKER_00]: Like what works for certain bodies doesn't. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we already kind of talked about the rich textures, but one particular one that I kept bumping up against in all my research was, wait.

44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So like a camel colored swade. [SPEAKER_00]: Jackets, pants, particularly camel swade skirts. [SPEAKER_00]: So rich texture is like velvety, beautiful nits, like of course, nits never go out of style, but because you get that like yummy, luxurious, e-curl-up, sexy texture.

45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's kind of the point. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about showing more skin to be sexy. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, silk is a sexy material. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_00]: I am... [SPEAKER_00]: You put on silk and you're like, I'm in the silk glass case. [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, man.

45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Jeans, tennis shoes, silk blouse. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care. [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I do that like funky little knot. [SPEAKER_01]: If I don't want to tuck it in, you know, it's not like your belly showing but it's just like a little, have inch band or whatever or belts. [SPEAKER_00]: I love a silk blouse.

45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Love love love love love soap blouse. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just go get one. [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't go to quiz just you guys go to Quince. [SPEAKER_00]: They have really lovely silk. [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, they're they sponsor the show now, which I was so happy about because I've been working with them on YouTube for the last year.

46:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm telling you what every single thing I have of theirs is great quality, like super great quality and they have a large array of silk for you to choose from. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, so back then you have your silk glass on top or you're velvet something or another. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, slim slash straight trousers and jeans.

46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Serial jeans slowly going out. [SPEAKER_01]: I am you and the caught me dead. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry in a pair of barrel jeans. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm over here trying to avoid looking like a barrel. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it actually can be flattering if you're 5, 11, 120.

46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're 5, 3, and you put on barrel tunes, now like you are 4, 9. [SPEAKER_00]: it's true. [SPEAKER_00]: It's true. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm actually happy because this means the genes aren't going back to like this crazy skinny situation. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Like emo skinny.

47:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not where they're going. [SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, I'll tell you what. [SPEAKER_00]: You all need some legal rights by the ones. [SPEAKER_00]: My teenage daughter came out there. [SPEAKER_00]: Then she's like, dang, those genes are awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, girl, I've been wearing these genes since 1992.

47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, just thought good old 501s. [SPEAKER_00]: They're so flattering on so many people. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, they have, so that's just a lot of denim up around the waist. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: It makes me uncomfortable. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I got those ones, remember when you had those short ones?

47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when we first started to show, you got those button ply, something something boyfriend crops. [SPEAKER_00]: So those are way high. [SPEAKER_00]: Those are way high. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, every time I wore those, I'd get home, like, caught these dreams off of me. [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not 501s.

48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: 501s is for me by 501s in my life. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there was a kid. [SPEAKER_00]: They're like the original. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe by OG for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: There's something to that. [SPEAKER_00]: There's there's still around.

48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you're not sure, I think what I like about 501s is like, when you're not sure. [SPEAKER_00]: This gene has been like made and popular for what 60 years. [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: And all the other ones have come and gone like, okay, you got your skinny, you're elastic, you're feral, you're, you know, you're flair.

48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm just like a basic jeans person. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I want my jeans to look like a trouser. [SPEAKER_01]: Full stop. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the shape I'm going for. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't wanna boot cut. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want a taper. [SPEAKER_01]: I just want my jeans to look like a trouser.

48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're in final bin. [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what this is saying. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe, oh, why don't, let me, oh, why'd like trouser? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do do. [SPEAKER_00]: Why'd like to counter the top? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

49:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I like the wide leg. [SPEAKER_00]: It makes me feel taller. [SPEAKER_00]: You see, the more balanced. [SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about that too. [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of buying two, I buy pateats for when I wear flats. [SPEAKER_01]: And I buy regular for when I wear high heels.

49:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because I'm short enough that I should wear pateat. [SPEAKER_01]: But then if I wear a heel or anything with some oomph to it, then they look like where's the flood. [SPEAKER_01]: So when I find a pair of jeans, I like it by both styles. [SPEAKER_01]: or both cuts or whatever you want to call it.

49:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So speaking of, okay, again, never out, but like writing boots, knee boots, always. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me just tell you. [SPEAKER_00]: No, my shoe collection right now should be set on fire. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, shade, we have to have this talk again.

50:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because I need help. [SPEAKER_00]: And part of the thing I need to help with is that I'm one of those people when it goes time to shop on crippled by choices. [SPEAKER_00]: I know what I like. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, when you're just like putting it into the car and putting in this weird digital month, I don't know.

50:22 [SPEAKER_00]: it's really difficult. [SPEAKER_00]: So I did buy some sway loafers when I was an Italy and I bought these buffalo leather sandals. [SPEAKER_00]: I called them like Jesus sandals and they're amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: They're so beautiful and those base everything else should be lit on fire.

50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: However, Quincy has these neat you guys can't buy them because I want to buy them but they're out of stock. [SPEAKER_00]: In my confusion of shopping online, I try to make it easy on myself. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that many brain cells left for this at the end of the day. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got 14 acres.

51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: So I go to, I'm like, if I'll just buy it, it quits. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll just buy it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll pick out what I like from the choices that they have. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to have to be good enough for certain things. [SPEAKER_00]: And they had these beautiful, like I would say, upper calf, Italian, dark brown leather boots, chunky heel, [SPEAKER_00]: beautiful, both the apes and the eight and a half sort of stock.

51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And that I like literally had my card out like I'm gonna do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys want to see what I'm wearing right now? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_00]: Angela, I'm so sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna just, it's gonna make you so mad. [SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'm wearing right now.

51:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you see this? [SPEAKER_00]: you see this. [SPEAKER_00]: This is supposed to be black by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: I see that, Shay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's this or dirty white tennis shoes. [SPEAKER_00]: It's really bad, you guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Send me my recommendation. [SPEAKER_01]: So I have dirty white tennis shoes on right now for from grocery shopping.

52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I have boots. [SPEAKER_01]: I just dug when I cleaned up my closet your disco camera and I found my, like, um, buffer shinner polisher kit. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to get in there like an old man and clean my boots up. [SPEAKER_01]: When I got Ralph Lauren writing boots, um, at a retail shop years ago, they just need a good overhaul this season.

52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good leather shoes last forever. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was like, I'm done spending almost the same amount for whatever material this is. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get leather. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get pleather. [SPEAKER_01]: They're hardly cheaper. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're not having.

52:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's more of like an ethical thing at this point. [SPEAKER_01]: So to make you feel I'm not right now. [SPEAKER_01]: So I know, but there's certain people that are worried about it. [SPEAKER_01]: OK, but you scuff those things and it's over. [SPEAKER_01]: Man, you're better. [SPEAKER_01]: Just it leather, you spill on it, you whatever.

52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's for me, taking care of leather is really cathartic. [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy it. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like so responsible. [SPEAKER_01]: The cream on my coat or whatever, my purse. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is that like, buy it once, buy it right. [SPEAKER_00]: When you're connected to a more timeless style, like good jewelry, like classic jewelry, classic pieces.

53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, your scarves can change season to see it season, who cares, right? [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a small thing. [SPEAKER_00]: But when you have these like core pieces that you invest in once, and you get to wear again, and again, and again, and again, and again. [SPEAKER_00]: That is, it's like an ecstatic feeling.

53:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, [SPEAKER_00]: I'm building this collection, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And those pieces are going to be a little bit more boring. [SPEAKER_01]: Quite frankly. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so you can buy the super pointy boot with the Stiletto heel or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: And or you can buy like the one year I bought, like I thought I was so cool 20 years ago or something about these nine West square towed boots with this crazy heel.

53:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They were so cool for 18 months, you know. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, honestly, it sounds like a whole quintet. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what they do really well. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like core pieces. [SPEAKER_00]: Like here is a Kashmir cream sweater. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you want to put your little like Macy's zebra polyester blouse underneath it, and wear some channel bristles or anything.

54:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an animal person and put on a scarf, or whatever, then do that. [SPEAKER_00]: But like have this core that you can use, I've seen a lot of quints too on posh mark. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you buy, you know, resealed, and that's a great way to do it. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you're not gonna find leopard-ritz stuff at quints.

54:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's they're like much more solid boring pieces. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's not the right word to use, but versus a hot talking shade. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, I know we're closing in here. [SPEAKER_00]: How about we'll end with this one then? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Romantic blouses under Taylor, in which it sounds like what you got from from Paris, like, poofy kind of sleeves or dramatic sleeves.

55:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a structure for a poofy sleeve. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can see him in my closet. [SPEAKER_00]: Poof, poof, poof, poof, I've like six poofy sleeve blouses. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_01]: But they're, I, well, juxtapose them with like a really tailored, my jeans are really tailored trousers or something.

55:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going like girly everywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, well, that's what I'm doing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't stress, oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_00]: I swear this thing like picks up on my energy. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it doesn't all the time during my language lessons and my tutor just starts dancing.

55:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yes, happening. [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a stupid camera. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So that counter thing. [SPEAKER_00]: So I told you guys the whole story of the Black Italian leather jacket that I got last year. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm telling you what, when I put on that thing, I feel like I could just like fly to the moon.

55:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I love this jacket. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: But it can come off. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a black leather jacket. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to be careful with that. [SPEAKER_00]: in a feminine way, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: So it needs to be paired with something that's like softer, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: And likewise, a poofy to me, like a romantic blouse that can go wrong real fast.

56:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And so how do you counter that the other way? [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I guess you could put it with my clout jacket. [SPEAKER_01]: No, those sleeves get a little bunchy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just worked with pants, you know, like a really solid, like a black [SPEAKER_01]: little bit more of a square toe like black pet leather shoe with a wedge heel and I just don't go like fruit fruit anywhere else.

56:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And it actually comes off as like really like intense. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's a I think it's a good look. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a it's a power move. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, here's me with my poofy sleeves. [SPEAKER_01]: What about it? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what it feels like.

57:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I know we've talked about this before, but I watched this YouTube video a couple of weeks goings on this French makeup artist, and she was saying, you know, it really is about finding that balance. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like this beautiful dance in this beautiful harmony with your face and with your outfit.

57:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you have a heavy eye to have a really, really strong lip, well, that just reads as too much. [SPEAKER_00]: then here's some other ways that you can pair this so that it settles it we're just we're just going to stop I don't know you're done you're right you're exhausted you're a fashion knowledge home and crescike no but seriously ladies can you [SPEAKER_00]: Angela, now Angela's going to bring the other side of the conversation next week, no, I'm kidding.

58:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But please can you like leave us your comments about what I would love to hear a couple of women's journeys with this. [SPEAKER_01]: OK, oh, that's a great comment prompt for sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Particularly, if you're, you know, over 38, like the, like, do you feel what She's saying, like this more cognizance of the decisions you're making are you more intentional do you feel, look, wisdom in this area of your wardrobe that maybe you didn't have 10 years ago, like, do you feel this change that Shea referenced?

58:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would be really curious. [SPEAKER_00]: I would love us to get to a place where, like, you could spot home make or she clusters in the wild. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I see your book. [SPEAKER_01]: I see your black leather jacket, your writing jacket and your poofy sleeves.

59:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And you look like you care and you look like you're. [SPEAKER_01]: Like you feel good in your skin. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, that's part of it because then when we feel good, we, man, that affects our mood. [SPEAKER_01]: And how to wear my blouse next week. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember to wear my cool blouse.

59:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll step it up next week. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'll probably get to wear these shoes in. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, ladies, see you next week. [SPEAKER_00]: Cheers. [SPEAKER_00]: Cheers.