I Am All In…Again: No Second Thoughts About the Loan (Season 4 E15 “Scene in a Mall”)

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I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast, one of them productions. iHeartMedia Radio. I Heart Podcast. Season four, Episode fifteen, Scenes in a Mall. Air date February twenty fourth, two thousand and four. And by the way, we are recording today from beautiful Malibu, California. And I am joined by my my podcast chief in my podcast Chief. She's not my chief, she's my What are you? What are you, Susanne?

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It's a good now you're bigger than i'd kick. But Susanna Franz is joining me for the second executive week. I'm liking this. I'm getting used to this. You wanna go ahead and read this synopsis?

I would love to so again, Season four, Episode fifteen, Seen in a mall. Rory and Laurel I play hooky at a mall and run into Emily, which turns into emotional release for what she's been dealing with at home with Richard. Meanwhile, Lane finds her own apartment.

Directed by Chris Long, written by Dan Palladino, Luke checks in on Laura, I ask she's doing okay while using his Internet, then gives he gives her a thirty thousand dollar check and she writes out her terms on a napkin and also her thank you, which I thought was kind of cute little writing banter.

Yes, writing and sliding Mount Luke's.

Kirk walks in with a big pink bag with a dog inside. He's dog sitting Lulu while she's out on a girl's trip, and then later Kirk dog sits for many town dogs but ends up with an extra puppy in a searching for the owner with flyers small town fair ladies and gentlemen. Small town Fair. Luke Sy's dean at the arcade and he goes in to get his change and seems like he by the way she's in.

Why is Luke? Oh, he needs singles for the business, right, Yes, you always say you right? Of course I went. He seems to be running away from his house and Lindsey and all the the in laws are there all the time, and he can't seem to get any I don't know, maybe privacy is the word. Then he spots Rory out the window and and it gets lost in thought a little bit there, all right, Luke gives Lorli the money thirty grand thirty big simoleons as we all know who would The writers are giving us hands and slow build of what's to come. Of course, Yeah, between Dean and Rory, Laureli and Luke, here we are again in tandem. We're building this thing. And yeah, they don't let people crash or build a solo. They like to do it in pairs.

So this is a pair skating competition. And Emily and Richard do you like the slow build? You know?

I do, actually like I know. I mean, this has been a really slow build. Right, we're in the middle of season four, but I love like the middle of season four through the middle of season five are my favorite string of episodes. It's I love that it's building towards Luke and Laurel a getting together obviously, and we don't know, you know, the Dean and Rory situation is, we don't know where that's gonna go. Dean's married, what's going to happen? And then we have Emily and Richard who've been in a relationship for years and years, and we see like there in that stage. So it's It's interesting to me how they used these three relationships to show like the progression overall of a relationship, like just

starting out having been together and then you know, years down the road having you know, been together. So I kind of got away from the context of the question. But but yes, I do like the slow build. I like the drama. We know where it's going, but we don't know exactly where it's going, So I do. I do enjoy that aspect of it. I think this is a great episode.

Does it seem to you that it's another way of showing the contrast between Lindsay and Rory, particularly with the line when Gene says, is her mother's over all the time teaching her how to cook? Yeah, so she can serve me better. You know, this kind of thing, which is not a bad thing, right, I mean, what's wrong with that? But it's just not Rory, is it. It's not how Rory grew up, it's not what she saw.

It's a completely different world, and he seems not to be terribly happy inside that world at the moment.

I think it was partially speaking to the freakishly tight connection between Lindsay and her mother, which also exists between Rory and her mother, So it was kind of an interesting parallel, but you really saw how Dean feels like he's being squeezed out, Like it really was like Lindsay and her mom are playing house and Dean isn't really a part of it. Like he says that they like him to leave after dinner so they can clean up.

You know, yeah, that's definitely not you know, Rory's upbringing was not that picture of domesticity, like let's clean together.

But it was an.

Interesting I think it's an interesting comparison because it again goes back to the mother daughter thing, which of course is you know, underlines the whole thing. But yeah, I think I think Dean really is just uh, he's I can't think of the right word. He's kind of a prop almost in this storyline.

Desirous of making more of a connection with Rory, don't you think him, And he's starting to feel the feelings again.

Oh for sure, like that scene in the arcade where he can't even like put a sentence together because he's staring at Rory through the window.

You know.

Again, going back to the slow build, we see something's gonna happen, and they're kind of flirty. So the viewers like, okay, where's this going to go?

Right? All right? Well, you know, the Luca Lorelie stuff is chugging down the track on schedule, seems a little seems to be a little late for a lot of fans, like, hurry up, now, let's getting in the station, let's get going here. Yeah, but you know it's interesting. You know, there's always and you loan money, never a borrow or a underbe. But when you loan money, things you complicated with friendships and relationships. Wow, and this this, this could be a fly in the ointment here. So we'll I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens here.

I mean, everybody already knows. You know, he's pretty good about this kind of thing, right. He doesn't want any terms, he doesn't want any legal documents or paperwork. It's just like I just want to forget it.

Yeah, exactly like here, I don't want to talk about it. Just take it.

Just take it and if you pay me back, great, If not, who cares. And you know, I trust you and your family's really rich. I'll get it from Richard, right, that's coming to me. But it's coming on it.

Yeah, I mean, I think so in the last episode where they had the scene in the park and she has her like she calls it the meltdown of the park, Like we really see how Luke is there for her. And I think the thirty thousand dollars, like he doesn't even think about it, He doesn't even think about the part about like I shouldn't be giving this much money to somebody. He just sees like she needs his help and he's going to be there for her, and so, I don't know, I just it was just a touching scene.

I thought, like the whole the writing and sliding when she's like I can't accept this, He's.

Like, just take it, just take it. And then he you know, she says thank you. He's like you're welcome. Like, I just loved that.

I thought it was so cute, Right, big chunk thirty k running a diner, owning a business, and it's a big chunk. Boy. That's that's a large sum of money to a guy like that, you know.

Yeah, well, I mean, like Suki pointed out, he's practically a hermit. He doesn't spend his money on you know, a lot. I mean, obviously running a diner, he's not like rolling in the dough. But he doesn't spend a lot of money, and obviously it was, you know, not so significant to him that he had a second thought about giving it to her, Like he just gave it to her very readily.

So let's yeah, that's so he is, all right, Rory, Laura, Emily. Rory is sick. Laura ends up going to Friday night dinner alone. Emily is on the phone trying to get restaurant reservations because dinner was ruined, and she bickers with Richard since Rory and Laurala have been busy. Well, let's get into that a little bit. She hates the mustache.

She is, you know, the the mustache is emblematic to her of this new life, this younger sort of energy that he has. He's out there, he's hanging with Moby. He's uh, he's he's with Jason and there, you know, who the heck knows what they're doing. When she's when she's at home, and she's a she's a little footutzed, right, she's a little yeah, as they say, she's she's not.

She's not a happy camper right now. But we'll come we'll circle back to that Rory and Laurel. I have been busy and only emailing Laura. I suggested that they play hooky and go to the mall the next day and spend it together. Did you get a little frustrated watching these two get bored with shopping? Window shopping?

You know, I have to say, I really miss malls like I I don't know, growing up in the seventies and eighties, like the mall was where I spent a significant portion of time, And you know, I don't know, I kind of could see their point. They're used to just going and shopping and buying what they want, and when you can't buy anything and you're just looking at it and you're kind of jealous of all the people that are walking around with their shopping bags, I could kind of relate to that. You know.

I grew up in the next town over from the very first mall ever opened in America, the Cherry Hill Mall, Cherry Hill, New Jersey. I grew up in Hadfield. Remember when the Cherry Hill Mall grew up opened up? I think what was sixties, sometimes seventies, early seventies, whatever, it was a big deal. Everybody went to the Cherry Hill Hall yeah, and that was the beginning. But anyway, Yeah, so they were obviously in the Beverly Center. It looked like the Beverly Center to me. It might have been another place, but it looked like the Beverly Center in LA.

But they, you know, they decide that they want to do something else, but they're broke, they have no money, and then they try to hide on the escalator down from Emily who's on the escalator going out, and it was funny. And so you know, she her, Emily, being her usual delicate self, forces them to meet her upstairs and they go shopping and she buys everything in sight, which was a terrific scene. Yes, clearly that was oh right, clearly that was Macy's. And so she's ordering Richard Brioni suits six at a time, and jewelry for the matches, a man wearing a mustache, just and she's just losing her mind. Yeah, and very nice scenes, I thought between the three of them. Now, Laurel I being the caretaker

a little bit, getting her mom beat junk food and like, you know, sit down with us and you know, eat like us and be like us in the food court, with this, with this, with with this, kind of food with plastic forks and plastic chairs. Yeah, and but real people we are with real love. You know, you have all the finest things in life, but your love might be turning into plastic right yeah, powerful stuff, funny stuff, very poignant. What do you think of all that?

I thought it was.

I thought it was good.

Like Emily sees Richard as kind of being re energized by this new thing he's got going with Jason, and you know, he's going out to these these hip you know, dinner spots in the city and and she's meanwhile, nothing has changed for her, like she's still living her same life, and she feels a little bit left behind. And so for me, the whole part at the mall or at the store where she's you know, you know, give me four of those, no, six, No, make it a dozen, like she's to her, that is how she is making herself feel important. Like she's got all these people that are hanging on her every word and running and scurrying to get what she's demanding. And to her, in my opinion, to her, she finally feels heard, like these people are

listening to what she says and acting on it.

Whereas Richard.

Is kind of just ignoring her and kind of putting her aside because he's doing all these things with Jason, and you know the scene at the end with the apples on the table and he's like, oh, I've always loved those, Like that was like the look on her face just kind of epitomized all of that, because obviously he doesn't he doesn't realize that the apples haven't been there all along, they're brand new, but everything's just kind of fading into the background for him, including Emily, and she's kind of fighting out, fighting against that.

So I liked that that aspect of it. And then also the in the.

The scene in the food court where she does finally gives a positive acknowledgment of Laurel's life because she's usually so negative about everything that Laura I does, and it was it was a nice moment, you know, where she acknowledges that, you know, Larela I is, she's independent, she's running her own life. She's having you know, these conversations with people about you know, the artwork for the advertisement, and she's just impressed with what Loralai has turned into, which we don't get very often from Emily.

So I thought that was a great moment too.

So it was a good n being in about her mom saying yeah, I get to see her daily, you know, yeah, exactly, big, big, it hit, it hit, It really landed on Emily.

Yeah all right.

So Rory meets up with Laureli the next day at the end, sees Dean. They catch up, little flirt, do a little hammering, not that kind, not that kind, easy now, And so Lindsay shows up with her mom for lunch. I thought that was a you know, I don't know that, you know, if I you think there was a reaction needed there, something like this girl again, what are you doing with this girl again? She seems to be you know, Lindsey.

Lindsay just didn't seem to react to what she saw right in front of her face, these two together again, right, Yeah, so any thoughts, I.

Think Lindsey is just naive.

It was something about when Lindsay's mom made the comment about, you know, she didn't teach Lindsay to cook when she was young, and don't make the same mistake with your little one, And there was like a moment between Dean and Rory where she was like, you know what and he kind of shakes his head, you know, because they were implying that Lindsay was pregnant. He's like, no, no, no, So yeah, it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, where it's setting us up for something. We know something is gonna happen between those three, we don't know where it's going yet, so it's just kind of adding to the to the mystery of wait, where is this gonna go?

Because we know where Luke and Laurel I are going, we don't know where Dean and Rory are going.

Right right, Yeah, it seems like Emily and Richard maybe they're gonna break up. Maybe Dean and Lindsey will break up, but Laura Lai and Luke probably cannot break up. They're not together yet, but it looks like they're going to most likely get together. Yes, And Emily goes off. She just rants. She's got a good Emily rant, you know, she goes off on her husband a lot everything else going on in our life. She's had it. So she's she's gonna take a dent out of his bank account.

I mean she must have spent boy, I tell you, that's feeling like twenty five thirty thirty thousand dollars so far, forty thousand bucks in there, easily just going crazy. Anyway, Emily sit home with Richard and the conversation's cold, and he has to go to Manhattan overnight, and he didn't notice the new apples on the table. We discussed that, all right. So Emily is sometimes a character, you know, it's hard to feel empathy for her at times at times, right, yes, I mean you have to admit that. But when she's finding comfort with Laurel and Roy's food cart, you can see it in Lorelei's face. You know, even though through all the years and all the struggles and the bitterness, Laurela is still empathetic toward her mother in certain moments.

What are your thoughts is about those two sort of you know, opposite scenes, you know, lashing out the law and then feeling sorry for herself.

Yeah.

Well, so, first of all, I have to say hats off to Kelly Bishop because she was brilliant in this episode. The whole gamut of all the emotions that Emily went through in this episode, and it just was portrayed brilliantly.

So hats off to Kelly for that. But I mean, I I agree.

I do not like Emily as a person generally speaking. I think she's mean and nasty and just not a nice person. But it was this episode was touching, like you could really you really did feel bad for her, how she's she feels like she's being ignored and she's being kind of relegated to you know, second Banana in Richard's life after Jason and his new business venture. But then you will, you know, you do feel sorry for her.

Even though her outbru was so embarrassing and so huge, you also understood like where it was coming from in her own head, like it just was kind of her treatment by Richard just sort of boiled over and she just couldn't take it anymore, and this is how it manifested itself. So I thought it was a great portrayal in that storyline. You know, Like I said, I don't generally have much sympathy or empathy for Emily, but in this episode, you really do, like you know what it feels like to be kind of ignored and made to feel like you're less important.

So I appreciated that.

Mile had she been nicer in her life, maybe she'd have more friends.

Yes, I completely agree.

Lettane finds her own apartment. Now a perfect example of how the Palatinos make these very large moments smallish but still very juicy and impactful, the parting of mother and daughter, and both played it beautifully. Lane calls Rory tells her she found an apartment, and we'll circle back round to that big moment between Lane and missus Kimmer, and she's going to share it with Brian and Zach. What do we think about this? Do we do? We are? We?

Are you excited for this? This new beginning for Lane and her new roommates, who who seem to be the most misbegotten pair I have seen on television in a long time. Zach and Brian, what are your thoughts on this?

You know, I loved this. I love Lane.

And Lane had a problem, which is she has nowhere to live, like she can't live on Rory's floor or forever, and the you know, the roommates kind of kicked her out in the last episode.

So she has a problem and she solves it, and I was completely in favor of that. I was proud of her.

You know.

Brian and Zach, Yeah, they're.

Goofballs, but you know they are all what you know, eighteen years old at this point, Like you do crazy things when you're eighteen because you can afford to.

So I thought it was great.

I loved that, you know, she did that. She had no other options really, like she wasn't going to go back to her mom's house. So she had a problem and she solved it. I thought it was great that she was moving in with them.

She goes to missus Kim's and her aunt june Is and cousin Christina are helping her move out. While Christina's babbling way too much. I thought a very funny yeah performance, supporting performance by that actress said whose name escapes me? Maybe Jackie, you can help me with who that is. I want to give her credit. She did a marvelous job handling all that dialogue at that clip. Very funny stuff, very very funny stuff. Everyone's moving in and and you know the cultural references we're flying see this is they love these scenes with Lane because it's all these music references from the past, led Zeppelin, the Beatles, your Name and Everybody, Stairway to Heaven, led Zeppelin four, all kinds of things getting thrown around there that you know, today's

kids are discovering, by the way, from from what I understand, they're listening to this music rock and roll. Okay, her name was Tessa Ludwick. She did a fantastic job. Tessa Ludwick played Christina. Thank you, Jackie c Susanne. We have our own crack staff.

Over here, the crackstaff behind the cracks.

That's right. So yeah, so that that was where we caught that moment with Lane and missus Campman. It's a bittersweet moment for both and big and it's always likes Miss Kim always turns away first, doesn't she? She always turns away. Complicated mother doughter relationship. Yeah, and now we're back at Zany Zach and Zany Bryan's place. Everyone's moving in and arguing about shelf space, and Lane is freaking out about kitchen and towels. There's no refrigerator, but then the guys give her her own shelf and she feels hopeful.

What do you think about this?

Yeah, well, it's like you just said about like making the small moments big, Like she sees that total inconsequential thing like the shelf as like, Okay, this is probably gonna work out.

Like this, this is the best decision for me right now, right.

So yeah, I again, I thought the whole storyline was great. I think Lane realized. I think in Lane's mind, she's like past the point of no return, Like she can't like she and her mother have crossed a threshold in their relationship and they're not going to be able to go back to the way it was. So she's just going forward.

Is how I see it.

So yeah, I love Lane. She's one of my favorite characters in the show. So I'm glad to see her kind of stretching those muscles and getting out from under her mother's you know, protective wings.

And here we see another perfect example of restraint and writing. Well, you think Lene has so much to say, and you know she does, but she just resists the urge to really deliver some kind of speech to her mother before leaving. She just leaves, yes, And there's so much she wants to say. You can see it in her expression, you can see it in her eyes welling up with tears, and both of them and the same goes misc. She wanted to say maybe a thing or two. Yeah, but I think the things that they want to say to each other are just too difficult for either of them to shoulder so at this time. So yeah, and that's beautiful writing in it. Yeah, just traut with tension, just fraught with tension and what goes un said, right, one

of my favorite moments in that show. Closing thoughts.

I think it's a great episode overall. It moves everybody's storyline along. You know, some episodes kind of don't. They're just sort of filler, they don't really advance things. This advanced everyone's storyline. All of the storylines echoed. The mother daughter relationship, which I enjoyed, and then we also have the male female relationships. I just I don't know, there's just so many layers to this onion that you can peel a part in this episode. So I don't know, great episode, really enjoyed it.

Luke seemed to be a different guy. He wasn't as edgy, was he. Do you think they're softening him a little bit, preparing him to be in a relationship with Lorali because maybe they thought that those two couldn't exist with with the edge that he was bringing to bear.

Yeah, maybe, I mean, he definitely he definitely seems to be thinking about Loreli more as a possibility than something untouchable, and so I think maybe that is kind of changing his psyche a little bit.

Self regulating behavior.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I agree with that.

Interesting. Interesting. Anyway, that's going to wrap it up here. Thank you, Suzanne French.

Thank you for having me.

Always a pleasure. Let's keep it going. Best fans on the planet. Keep those cards and letters coming. We read every single one of them. We appreciate him. The positive or negative really helps us out, so we so appreciate it. And go on my link tray you look my upcoming conventions. I'm going to be all over the place this summer, fall and winter, so catch up on the link tree and also go on my socials. Anyway, remember where you lead, we will follow. And where I show up at conventions, I hope that you follow me there because it's always a party. We always have such a good time. Anyway, Suzanne, thanks again, Thanks everybody, and stay safe, Hey, everybody's forget Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast

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