IAAI Town Meeting: How Did We Get This Messy? (Season 4 E19 “Afterboom”)

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Hello.

Before we get started, I was just showing Suzanne, I got my Gilmore Ghoul's book. It's a coloring book from Target Gilmore Girls being But it's so cute.

You said there's another one though, right, Suzanne.

Yeah, I saw one on Instagram and I can't like. I just was scrolling so I didn't stop to look into it. But it had a picture of Luke pushing Jests into the lake. But they're ghosts and it's completely adorable.

Yeah.

I don't know where that one was, but it must have been a different book.

I'll have to find.

Actually do love an adult coloring book, I really do. And I was flipping through this one and I love that they have I Love You a thousands stinking corpse lilies. And then they also have for the antique shop, you haunt it. You bought it.

Very cute. There's just so many.

Clearly somebody knows the show.

Yeah, it makes me wonder. I'm like, I should have come up with an idea like this.

I'm not that clever and I'm not either.

But now I'm on the hunt for the other coloring book because I'm just collecting them. And then you had mentioned that you ordered the Little People that came out the little Fisher Price dolls.

Yeah, so I'm not sure when when you're going to be listening to this episode, but the Fisher Price Little People dropped yesterday and so I ordered them last night and they will be here tomorrow and I'm very excited.

Amazon exclusive exclusive for everyone listening.

Yes, they're not on the official Little People website because that's where I went first, and they're not there. They're only on Amazon.

They're really cute.

It's Laura Lei, Rory Luke, and Suki right, Emily Emily Emily.

Yeah, and we have to have in any of these various little you know, figurines that have come out, we've never seen an Emily.

So I was very kind of love that it's an Emily. Yeah.

I was so excited to see all of that.

All right, So let's jump into this week's episode, Season four, episode nineteen After Boom, which aired on April twenty seventh, two thousand and four.

Yeah, so we're heading into the end of season four, like when all the good stuff starts happening.

I know, it's like ramping up.

I was saying to you, I feel like this one and the next one just felt like one long continuation.

Yes, it's like one big story. Yeah, we're heading into the opening of the Dragonfly. We're heading into you know, lug and Laureli. We're seeing Rory and Dean kind of starting to circle around each other. So, yeah, there's just a lot going on in these two episodes. You kind of have to watch them together because it is just like one big overarch.

Which spoiler alert we did.

So.

Yeah.

The one thing I was like I wanted to talk to you about, which is the first scene at the post office? Yes, why is Laura Lai now telling Luke that he needs to think about getting his divorce after all that?

I like, we're going backwards here.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, was it so much about the divorce itself or was it just the fact that he was doing it at the post office. I think she was telling him, like, you know, go to your lawyer's office or a friend's house or.

Yeah, but it just seemed like she was more like, are you sure you want to do this? It's a serious decision. So yeah, I don't know if it was more about the post office for it was Yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was weird. I'm like, you told him to basically divorce her way before. Right now you're going backwards. Also, who cares? He's just signing it and sending it.

Yeah, exactly. It's it's not like it's you know, a big formal process where they have to see each other or anything.

He also has like no connection at this point.

Right right, like he's pretty detached from it. I maybe she's I don't know, maybe she's feeling a certain kind of way and is trying to, you know, deny her own feelings or something. I don't know.

It's has the post office always been there? I feel like it just showed up, you know.

I can't think of any other time that we saw it.

Because isn't that isn't that store where like the beauty's store is?

I don't think so. So it's on the end right next to the Secret Bar. It's between the bookstore and the Secret Bar. So I think like when they had holidays made here, that was where you went to pick up your photos that the professional photographers were taking. Got it that spot, but I can't think of anything.

It was like kind of empty because it was just the photographer pick up right in it.

And I'm trying to think of when else we've seen it in use in the show, and I can't think of any other time that we've seen it. But I think the beauty shop was more in the middle, like by the pizza place. It's like more kind of centrally located between the bookstore and doses.

It was like in that Okay, you know what I don't.

I honestly don't know if we're doing holidays. Maybe I'm assuming if you keep my fingers crossed. But no word yet. But I was thinking. I was like, there would be it would be cool to have a post office and then you can mail yourself something from stars Hollow.

Oh, that would be cool. That would be cool, like if they could actually like postmarket as stars Hollow. Yet I don't think the post office would go for that, but it would be cool.

But Okay, So I was at the d twenty three convention and I was walking around to all these little booths, and there was one booth that had because Marceline is where the city where Walt Disney's from, and you could actually there's a museum there and stuff. But what they did at D twenty three was you can actually send yourself like a postcard, and the stamp was Walt Disney like Marceline, and so it made me think, I'm like, I wonder if they could make who knows, I have to talk to you about this, Like they should make a star's hollow stamp.

That's a good idea.

Yeah, yeah.

And then I bought the stamp because it was like five dollars and then it's like a me commorative one.

And then there was a pin of the stamp, so I have the pin too.

Oh cool.

Yeah, So I was just maybe thinking, I'm like, it would be cute because I watched this episode as soon as I got home from it, and I was like, oh my god, like they should keep the post office at Holidays made here and this stamp stuff, Well, you could just buy a stamp of that rate and ship it.

Yeah that's so clever though.

That sounds fine, right, I would do that anyway, will jump back into the storyline though. Yeah, I don't know if you want to have any if you had anything else to say about the beginning.

No, I just I that's one of my favorite openings though, because it's just so funny, like their banter back and forth about you know, you're a lot of work, like it's just.

So over it. He's like, please let me just do this thing.

Yeah, and then you know Kirk in the post office.

Yes, I think I have some balls.

I like that when he said balls the camera was on Luke. Yeah, that was the best part.

Yeah, it was. It was a good scene. It was a very good scene.

I also just love that, like they have the theme stamps. It just made them by day.

I don't know.

Yeah, what was the other one?

It was Lucille balls and it was Bewitched. Bewitched there we go. Yeah, yeah, I would collect those. I know.

I would totally get this. I actually used to collect.

Stamps back and mom did as a kid. Yeah, she has it somewhere about an or.

Yeah, so it was it was fun. I did it for a long time, not recently, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, so this okay, And I want to know we've got Jackie with us. I want to know Jackie caught this. So there was a scene at Lane's where they're talking about the gig and they're talking about the flyer and Brian makes a comment about eating cheesecake off of the floor.

I caught that.

Yeah, yeah, it was odd. So I don't know.

If that was intended to be a friend's reference or if it was just a coincidence. But I looked up the date, and so if you if you didn't watch Friends, there's an episode where Rachel and Chandler are eating cheesecake off of the floor in the hallway between their apartments, and that episode aired before this. It was January of two thousand and one.

So I always wonder, like what, I didn't know it was a friend reference.

I thought I was that intentional or was I don't know. We'll never know, I guess, but it made me laugh.

Jackie didn't make you think of friends right away?

Of course, of course it does. But a lot of things in life make me think of you.

Yeah, yeah, I've watched Friends, but like I think, I watched the whole thing through one, so I wouldn't know. I just thought it was odd. I just thought it was like an odd thing, he said. I didn't realize.

Yeah, and it was, which also is making me think, like, were they intentionally doing that? Like, you know, because we've talked a lot about how they had happened to wear some of the same outfits and things like that, So I I don't know.

And they're like in on the same lot and shooting next to each other, you know, so yeah, same universe maybe. But yes, I did catch that. I didn't catch the timing of everything. I didn't think. Oh, let me look back to this. Timing so very good.

There's definitely a Friends fan on that on that writing team, Oh for sure.

Yeah. I mean we all were Friends fans at the time.

When did Friends end two thousand and four?

Two thousand and four? Yeah, because it started in ninety four and it ran for ten.

Seasons, so it ended because in Gilmore we're in two thousand and four, so it ended this year.

Yeah, my gosh, it ended too, like around May of two thousand and four.

Before that, oh, there you go. What network was Friends?

NBC Thursdays at eight, That's where I was.

It was a big Thursday prime time show. I didn't watch when it aired a little bit, but I watched afterwards and then that's when.

The guys are making me want to watch Friends from the beginning because I actually should know the references. I also do a lot that they are shorts because it's.

Easy to binge.

Yeah, two minutes.

Yeah, I love a good sitcom, pinch.

Well and Friends. So when Gilmore Girls was in its first season, it aired against Friends. It aired Thursdays at eight o'clock. And so Lauren talked about in one of her books about how when they went to the upfronts and she was she was they were like watching all these shows and she's like, okay, well, you know, because they just had they had shot their pilot. She's like, okay, well that was fun. But she like thought they would be like she would have to move on to something else because she didn't think that it was gonna do well against Friends. But here we are, twenty five years later, still.

Talking about their iconic show.

Okay, so let's talk about Paris and Asher and the book reading.

I hate the storyline it really, you know.

I did not. I even said it to my husband because he watched this episode with me and I said, you know, all of those college age girls are all like Gaga over ash Or Fleming like, no, that was so I'm realistic. Yeah, they wouldn't have all been.

Like, oh my gosh, if he was like a young hot teacher, I totally believe it exactly.

Not No, I that was so unbelievable that they're just all like hovering over him, And the mc lady.

Was like, yeah, yeah, I like can't stand the storyline at all, Like I'm just waiting for it to end.

Yeah, Like he seems like, you know, he's probably a nice enough guy, but he's not like sexy or romantic.

Like I understand that he's intelligent, Like I get it.

Yeah, if that's your what you're attractive to in him, But I'm like, I don't think like all the girls would be attracted to the same.

Right, eh.

Like it was just it would have been more believable. And maybe they had to do it because it's Richard's friend and that's where the connection comes.

But like, if you just made it like a young hat professor.

Right, this could have gone a totally different direction, which would have been interesting.

Well, And it was weird to me that they like the Richard connection happened like at the very beginning, but then they never really utilized that anywhere else, like they never it never played into a storyline, like they mentioned it once when she turned out to be the professor, when he turned out to be the professor in her class, he's like, we have somebody in common, Oh, your grandfather, But after that I was never mentioned again, Like they could have just had Paris be having an affair with a professor and it didn't have to be Richard's friend like that. They made a point to connect them in that way in the beginning, but then never referred back to it.

Yeah, I think it would have.

Also, I think Rory's reaction to it would have been different if if it wasn't hurt well a little bit, because right now she's thinking it's her grandfather's friend. I think that's part of it. That's like one side. The other side is that it's just a weird situation and it's an old man. Yeah, I mean, and then we'll get into it next time. But the next episode is even more like Lord, like, I can't with that storyline.

I can't.

Yeah, I know, I'm not. I wasn't super thrilled with.

Oh that's that.

Yeah. But so we also we had some good drama in this episode, so Lurla gets the phone call or actually, no, he comes to the Dragonfly. Jason comes to the Dragonfly and tells Laurai that, hey, your dad just well that that Richard took the business. Yes, yeah, yeah, he's like, you know, all my clients have deserted me, and you know the secretaries are all uncomfortable, and yeah, he left me the business but took the clients, so what else is life?

Which honestly, I was kind of like, kind of like a good business move because you still have the business, but you don't have my because.

The clients did come because of Richard.

Well, so Jason said that Richard even not.

All of them, oh some of them were his.

Oh yeah, Jason brought some of them with him and then brought in more after they started. And so Jason tells Laurai that Richard even took those clients. So he really, really, he really screwed him because you know, he left him with like the name or whatever, but he has he has no clients, so he has to literally start for scratch, which yeah, I mean was a smart move on Richard's part, but I mean kind of sucky overall. I mean, he really kind of stabbed Jason, Like, Jason was going to try to fix the whole thing with his family, and Richard didn't even give him a chance to because he immediately caved to Floyd and you know, went went back to him.

So he honestly didn't even second guess it either. Yeah, was like, all right, we're going back, We're gonna take all the lions, and this.

Is right right. And then when laurel I then goes to their the Gilmore house and confronts him about it, and you know, he explained it to her. He's like, well, you know, Floyd was gonna take everything, like they didn't have They couldn't spend a lot of money fighting this lawsuit because that would have taken everything. And he had put up you know, his pension, his collateral in the house and all that, Like he had a lot to lose.

So I get it, because you know, he's getting on later in life and he can't just pick up and start all over again at his age like Jason could his age, So I kind of I kind of get it, but he was kind of asked to Laurlai about it. You know, she's obviously caught in the middle now between these two and he was not sympathetic to that at all.

He's like, all you care about is your boyfriend, and I didn't expect anything else from you like that. That was kind of a low blow.

I thought, Yeah, yeah, I don't mind the storyline, but I'm also just like, how do we get this messy?

Yeah? Yeah, I love the storyline, like I like the drama.

I like the drama, but I'm like, it's so like it's so like intertwined, like.

Right, and you're like, what's gonna happen next? Which, yeah, there isn't a lot of like cliffhangers in this show, so this part is exciting because you're like, oh my gosh, who's gonna stab who in the back?

But I'm just like, how do we Because it's not just the business side, it's then the relationship side too, So you're kind of like, Okay, it's a lot.

Yeah, exactly exactly. So I don't know and his viewers, we can see everybody's perspective, like we understand why Laurel I didn't tell her parents about the relationship, and but then we also see it from her parents' side as well. They feel like because both Lorelin and Jason lied to them, So they're getting lied to at the relationship level and also at the business level.

So yeah, they feel betrayed basically, yeah, exactly exactly do we do we find out? Or do as it mention, I just forgot that like how long Richard and Emily were friends with his parents, Like, like, is that like a is that like a deep rooted relationship or I don't remember.

I feel like it is because they talk about how like Richard gilts his career with that company, right, But.

Then Laurelin and they know each other as kids.

They did from like summer camp.

Okay, okay, yeah, okay, so it was like more in passing, not like their family friends coming over all the time.

Yeah, I feel like I'm now I may be mixing people up, but I feel like Emily said something about them coming to their Christmas parties, and Laurela I didn't remember who they were, And.

Then I feel like Emily's Christmas parties are like these giant parties.

They just invite everyone they know.

Yeah. Yeah, so I may be remembering somebody else, but yeah, but yeah, I mean so I think they definitely at least implied that the two families have known each other for a long time.

Yeah.

We also have the storyline of the exchange students, yes, which I honestly love this storyline.

I think it's Yeah. First all that girl is so good. The actress is so good.

Yeah, she's I don't think anyone else could play that part so well because she's this quirky, talks really fast.

She told literally matched Lane like word for word, which yes, I thought was great.

Yeah, I really I really liked the storyline. But then it kind of came full circle and was kind of heart breaking or I don't know who it was heartbreaking or like touching when Lane goes and kiss her mom on the forehead in the middle of the night, Like I was like, oh, yeah, she's just realizing that, like her mom loves her. Yes, And I don't think that like being strict was to push her away in any sense.

It was more to protect her. And I think Lane's realizing that like for the first time.

Right right. And this was even though this was like a secondary storyline, this was an important episode for Lane because we see her in two different scenarios. So there's the situation she sees this foreign exchange student come and basically replace her in her life, like she sneaks in the house at night and sees this girl literally in her bed, like she's literally been replaced. But then we also have where the band is at their gig and she's like really jazzed up about how well they had performed, and then all the other bandmates break off and go off with other people and she's literally just sitting there and she gets back behind her drums and she's just like kind of casually like you know, playing with the

symbol or whatever. So she's she's lonely, like she's been replaced in her home life, and her bandmates don't seem to need her because they've got their own lives.

Like yeah, yeah, it was really like.

Kind of an emotional turning point.

And those guys are not like taking care of Lane right, Like she's on her own one hundred percent. Like yes, they're in her life, but like like you said, they have their own lives. They're also boys who like are rusher and then you know there's oh my god, Gil who like completely has its own life. So like, yeah, I mean she went from like having everything and being overly pt text basically having nothing so to say, yeah, speak exactly.

Yeah, she went from like her solid little cocoon starts all the life and now she's like kind of branched out. But now she feels like, like you said, like she doesn't have anything. She doesn't have her family anymore, and she doesn't have her friends except like even Rory's gone, you know, and so you know, she she doesn't really have what she wants. And so I don't know, it's a it's a good it's a good episode for like. Yeah, So circling back to the Richard and Emily story, so the Friday night dinner I started the same Wednday night dinner.

I don't know where the Friday night dinner where they're clearly not expecting them to I guess they were a little bit early because traffic wasn't bad. But anyways, that scene I thought was really funny, like they're all so off guard and like they were out, like she didn't even answer loralized question. But then at the end, so this is where we find out that Emily is not sleeping there.

I love they got the dessert take home dessert basically chocolate.

I love that.

I don't know why, laugh, Yeah, exactly, here's your bag.

Yeah, he was all ready to go.

But they didn't even have like a centerpiece on the table. They didn't have the candles.

It was it was just like, here's your plate and fork and some food on top.

There you go, right.

And and yeah, so we find out that Emily isn't sleeping there. Yeah, so and then that leads into then the coffee shop scene with Jason where she says, yeah, I called around and she's staying at the Grafton Hotel in room four twenty one. And then that's when Jason drops the bomb that he's suing Richard. So yes, yeah, so it all kind of tied together in the end, all the drama.

But yeah, just honestly, okay, what the world would you do if your boyfriend sued your dad?

You know? That's yeah, I mean I.

Think bloaded question, but.

Yeah, I think more I made the only choice that she could make. Like, I don't know, they both did bad things, Like Richard did a bad thing. Now Jason's doing a bad thing. So are you you have to pick which bad thing you're gonna side with? But I you know, I don't know, even even if your parents are Richard and Emily, I feel like you have to side with your family.

I was going to say, I think that at the end of the day, I would stick with my family because also I think it sucks that Jason's like not taking that part into consideration, that like, yes, Richard is your business partner, but it's your girlfriend's father, so like I would have I mean not like Richard would like come to terms like maybe saidn't have a conversation with him and like, yeah, we're just part ways and just like, well, that's hard also because then he he does mention at some point he's losing a crap ton of money because of this. So like, I still think it's wrong. I still think it's one hundred percent wrong and I wouldn't do it. But I also do I think Jason's just thinking business, business, business and not thinking about relationship because

when you see someone, it's not gonna end well.

Right, and it put it puts Larela in a terrible position. Yeah, and she's i mean, her parents not going to continue with trying to maintain both relationships, like that's going to be possible. He had to have known she would have to pick one.

So yeah, yeah, I never was a fan of him anyway.

So and it's not like I mean, yeah, they're they're in a relationship, but it's not like they've committed to each other in a long term kind of way, you know what I mean, like if they were engaged or if they were married.

Yeah, it's not a full coming that would be even more Also, at this point, how long they've been dating, Like, how long did they say?

They said five months? Yeah, yeah, so I mean it's still on the capital end at this point.

Yeah, it's still like it's might be more serious, but it's not like it's been like years of a relationship.

Right, exactly exactly. It's still like relatively walk away able walk away.

Yeah.

But one one thing, So I actually didn't have any like callouts for.

Any like yeah, I didn't see anything.

The only thing I saw is that very very last scene in the coffee shop they had they spilled machiato.

Wrong on the on board.

Yeah, they spelled it with one sea and to Tea's, but it should be two seas.

Oh see two seas?

Yeah, yeah, huh, that's funny. That's a very specific call out. Yeah, is it could it be spelled two ways or no? I don't know the answer I'm asking, I don't.

I mean in Italian, it wouldn't be.

Spelled okay because just something they're like different spelling.

Yeah huh, all right, well yeah, but lots of lots of good drama going on. Exciting episode.

Yeah, it was a good one.

It was I mean again, like you said, we're ramping up to the end of the season. Yeah, all right, so next week we're gonna be talking about season four, episode twenty Luke Can See Her Face, which aired May fourth, two thousand and four. May the fourth be Yeah, that's right, May the fourth be way. I was like wait, thnging it out loud. I was like, we'll see next week.

Meeting adjourned.

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