KFC #2: The Least Banned Book In The World (w/ Molly Conger)

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0:05 This is going down like Donkey Kong. Dan, the good news is humanity is back in the fight.

0:13 Knowledge, fight, country.

0:17 I'm out here in the country. Jesus Christ said that. Everybody go. Donkey Kong Country. You're in Knowledge Fight Country, that's right. The show where I, Dan, take a little bit of a stab at a bunch of dumb shits who always say that they're being taken out of context whenever they get criticized for the negative opinions of the terrible things that they say. And as a response to that, I will Listen to the full context, break it down, and discuss it with a guest. Today, welcome back to the show. So excited to have you back. Molly Conger is here.

1:16 I'm so excited to be back. We had so much fun last time.

1:19 So have you had any thoughts about algebra since we last spoke?

1:26 No, as soon as we got off the call, I was telling my husband about it. He's like, yeah, what did you guys talk about? Was it Alex Jones? He said, no, it wasn't Alex. It was a guy who doesn't believe in algebra. He was so excited because he'd seen the clips.

1:38 Oh, yeah. Awesome. Have you seen them since, I guess, is the... I.

1:42 Did not see it. I did go look at his TikTok and I was expecting more production value. Like, I would not have looked at those TikToks as a booker and thought, gotta get this guy on the show.

1:54 Well, but I mean, you're not looking at it through the same prism of, you know, like what you're trying to book. If you think that someone might say some horrible stuff unprompted on mic... Maybe his TikToks look pretty appealing.

2:06 But I was thinking, you know, you're saying, you know, he had the TikToks and that's why they booked him. And he, you know, had so, the vibe was just really off in the interview. His vibe is off on the TikToks.

2:16 Okay. That's good to know. Good to know that his brand is consistent and depressed.

2:20 I don't know what they were thinking.

2:22 I kind of do. But, you know, you want a fall guy. And that was a lot of fun. And today I have another episode that I have prepared for you. It's something bad. As is usual. I wanted to, generally, for the time that we have together to do this show, I wanted to find people who would constitute weird little guys.

2:46 They're all weird.

2:47 In homage to you and your show, Weird Little Guys. And so, Tucker, I think kind of qualifies. Would you agree?

2:57 I mean, once you're talking about getting attacked by a demon in your bed, yeah.

3:01 It's pretty weird. And here's the question that I think is the most challenging, is that does Alex count? Would he be, or is he too big?

3:13 You know, I've really expanded what counts, you know, two years into the show. It's all kinds of things. It's whatever I want it to be. Yeah, and I think you can look at these guys and say, that's a weird little freak right there.

3:26 You can be a thick king and be a weird little guy.

3:28 Oh, you can be big, yeah.

3:30 Okay, all right.

3:31 You don't have to be little to be a little guy. It's their spirit that is small.

3:37 Do you have to be a guy?

3:39 No.

3:41 So this extends across all gender identities.

3:45 I mean, that three months I spent writing about South African pro-apartheid terrorism last year started with a woman. The woman at the center of that story was our weird little guy. Monica.

3:56 That is a nice reminder that everyone has the potential to be a weird little guy. And today, we got a weirdo. We got a real piece of shit to talk about.

4:07 I can't wait.

4:08 So, I had taken a little bit of time off from the show, and I wasn't really focusing on what the dipshits who worked at Infowars were doing since Infowars went off the air. And I came back to this space a little bit unsure of what was up. It had only been a few months, but this branch of media is essentially an offshoot of social media like Twitter, so I wasn't surprised that in that very short time, a lot had changed. Alex was naturally still doing the Alex Jones show on his fake network that he totally doesn't own, called Bigly. He's made a predictable and boring shift away from Trump, but ironically, the company he's forced to work for is named after a non-word that Trump used in a speech recently. So this creates a little

4:49 bit of dissonance and confusion. It's an homage to the person who you're now like, he sucks. It's weird.

4:57 He's really kind of trapped, right? Because he spent so many years as this Trump cheerleader. And like you said, now he's locked into this branding that he doesn't technically own, right? He can't change that. That's not his. He's just kind of locked in. I mean, you could throw the MAGA hat away, but now you're Mr. Bigley.

5:15 Yeah, it's like working for Huge or something like that.

5:19 Like, it's... Covfefe.

5:20 Covfefe. Yeah. Ray Bynes both think of Covfefe. So as I was getting my bearings, I noticed that Alex was scheduled to be the keynote speaker at a conference that's taking place in Dallas in November called Christ is King, America After Trump. Uh-uh. It seemed about right. I've long predicted that Alex is gradually running out of an audience that can take him seriously on political matters, and the natural progression from there is to become an out-and-out preacher.

5:50 Oh, pivot to religion.

5:51 Perfect. You know, they say that, like, patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. And I think that maybe commercial religion is way, way more scoundrelly.

6:05 And it's easy to do. It's easy to do.

6:07 Yeah, and I think that people give you so much more of a pass than they would in other contexts. It's a pretty good hustle.

6:15 And there's this specific thing you see, especially in these sort of politicized evangelical spaces, that it doesn't matter how bad he's been in the past. In fact, that's actually good. That's actually ideal for this pivot.

6:26 I'm fallen.

6:27 Right. That, like, I used to be so terrible. You know, in politics, it's like, look at you. You had a bad past and you can't escape that. But as an evangelical, like, hype guy, you're like, look how bad I used to be. Isn't that incredible? I've been redeemed.

6:41 Yeah, no, pay no mind to the fact that I haven't changed at all. But look, I was terrible then.

6:46 No, no, no, no, no. But you're forgiven again every day.

6:49 I live the same. It's God's grace. So in my time covering his content, it was plain to see how much more religiously extreme his show had gotten. And that trajectory usually goes in one direction, and I expect it to continue. So I looked at the lineup on this event, and most of the other white dudes who were set to speak weren't folks that I know much about. But one who stuck out was Alex's old third-string quarterback, Harrison Smith. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

7:19 I saw a worried look on your face. Unfortunately, we're talking about some Harrison Smith today. He is our weirdo.

7:24 That's a weird little guy.

7:26 And it seemed nuts that Harrison was on this bill. Like, if Alex himself was booking the conference, he wouldn't choose Harrison to be on it. Harrison only hosted the War Room because Owen Schroyer quit, Chase Geyser decided to get a desk job with Bigley, and because Alex's son Rex seemed to be busy some weekdays. Immediately, I knew that something was up and that Harrison wasn't booked on that conference because of Alex. As it turns out, this conference is put on by a group called NXR Studios, a Christian nationalist organization founded by a guy named Joel Webben.

8:02 Webben is a pastor in Austin who runs a number of groups based on spreading the message of extreme right-wing politics couched as religion. He's another of the speakers at that conference, and it may be worth discussing him in more detail one day, but for now, he's only important in that he's the CEO of the company that's putting on this event, NXR Studios, and they made the very irrational decision to book Harrison Smith as one of their speakers.

8:26 So I poked around a bit, and I learned pretty quickly that it looks like Alex couldn't afford to pay Harrison anymore over at Bigley, and that Harrison now hosts a show on the NXR Studios network called called Off-Limits News. Woo!

8:41 So whoever these people are, they're taking Alex Jones' rejects.

8:47 Uh, yeah, the also-rans of InfoWars.

8:50 That's not good. That's not good. No. Even at InfoWars' height of popularity, taking their cast-offs is pretty bad, pretty bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. But now? Now you're taking a guy that couldn't get a job at InfoWars? Couldn't keep a job at InfoWars?

9:04 Well, Molly, I would say that, by low, It's never going to get high, so you can't sell. But Bilo?

9:13 The guy that was the most aggressively right-wing and anti-Semitic at Infowars.

9:19 The guy who seemed visually pissed off that they weren't, like, swastiking it up. He's the guy you're going to go ahead and bring over. Subtle, subtle choice.

9:29 Joel Webben is not a name. So the name sounds familiar to me, but I don't know anything about it. I think the only reason the name is familiar to me is he's a really big poster on Twitter. So sometimes when I see a screenshot... of like some evangelical pastor who's saying something very weird, it's often Joel Webben.

9:45 Yeah, I am going to do an episode about him in the future because I've been watching a lot of his sermons because of his employment of Harrison. It's spiraled way out of control. I have a whole lot of thoughts about him. His main thing seems to be like taking away women's right to vote. That seems to be one of his big things. The women, women don't deserve to make choices and they're happier. But then also I've become really obsessed with how unfortunate his hair was many years ago and how he, I'm trying to find the exact point he fixed it. Because he had a really, really awful hair look in his early videos. And now he seems more media ready. But he sucks. He's a real dick.

10:27 Is he trying to look like Matt Walsh or is that a coincidence?

10:31 I think in the beard care department, the two of them maybe have the same guy. But if you look at Joel's old haircut, it is not Matt Walsh-ian. There's something else going on. It's separatist religion haircut. It's the kind of haircut you can only get away with as a pastor. Your congregation is afraid to tell you, give it a trim, buddy.

10:53 They should let the women vote on his hair.

10:55 Yeah, it would help. So Harrison is included as one of the four mastheads of this company, along with Joel Webben and two other weirdos. So it occurred to me that Harrison probably actually got Alex the booking for that conference, as opposed to the other way around, like, Harrison got a new gig. They're like, hey, who can headline this conference to move some tickets? My old boss? My old drunk boss?

11:20 You know, every one of these guys that he has, like, stepped on, shit on, verbally abused, probably violated various employment laws against, they're all pretty loyal to him, despite it all.

11:32 When it's worth it.

11:33 Right, but they are more generous and patient with him than he ever would be with them.

11:38 Yeah, yeah.

11:39 Because he wouldn't piss on Harrison if he was on fire.

11:42 If Harrison really needed it, no, probably not. And if Harrison... I think in the time that I've been off from doing the show, and I may cover this at some point, or some of this stuff, but Alex and Tim Pool got into a big old fight.

11:57 Oh, I miss that.

11:59 And they obviously... felt negatively about each other before, but it was helpful to be loyal.

12:07 Most people feel negatively about them.

12:10 Yeah. And then there's a flare up. And then like six months from now, there's a decent chance they'll be back to having each other's back because it's convenient.

12:19 He'll be better tomorrow.

12:20 Yeah. Like Owen Schroyer got fired or quit from Infowars. Who knows what really happened? But like, give him enough time to He'll want to get some of the attention that Alex is able to create. Like, he's a lightning rod. So, scrolling through Harrison's new show, it didn't take long for me to find one video that sounded really juicy. So, for today's episode, we're going to be talking about his show titled, I Read the Most Forbidden Book on Earth, and it perfectly predicted 2026.

12:51 Oh, God, what does he think the most forbidden book is?

12:54 Well.

12:55 It's not the Camp of the Saints, is it?

12:56 No.

12:56 No. Okay. You're trying too hard. It's the protocols of the learned elders of Zion. Oh, come on. Yep. No. Yep, yep, yep. That's... Come on. Harrison the dweeb has decided that it is time to start trying to whitewash the protocols for his bizarre Christian nationalist audience.

13:20 That's so retro. Okay, let's hear it, Harrison.

13:22 Yeah, what's old is new again, I guess. So let's start off here with Harrison as he introduces what is going to be a very scary show for him to do. And he is a brave big boy.

13:38 Welcome ladies and gentlemen to off limits news. I'm your host Harrison Smith. We have a very, very special show for you today. I'm actually going to cover a document, a book that is still to this day considered forbidden literature. And it's perhaps one of the most dangerous tomes the world has ever produced. But we're going to get into it, and I hope that you enjoy it. If you do, please hit like and subscribe, since what we're about to do is not going to be algorithmic friendly, to say the least.

14:07 Oh, no, it is not algorithmically friendly for him to do clickbait. Put the protocols aside.

14:13 He's going to be suppressed.

14:14 Yeah.

14:14 Who's doing it? They are. They are.

14:16 It's so fascinating to me, the idea that, like, he's able to tell himself this is edgy. Like, that's. It's 2026, my man. This is not.

14:27 I mean, I genuinely never... Like, if you'd given me 15 guesses, this wouldn't have been on the list? Because this is just so.

14:35 Really?

14:36 I just feel... I feel like we're not still doing this. Like, even the hardcore anti-Semites aren't really still protocol guys. Like, move on. This is fake.

14:45 I think that's because it's embarrassing.

14:47 Exactly.

14:47 The only way to try and pass this off as if you think it possibly could be real is if you have done no preparation. Right. You haven't looked into this at all. So you look like an idiot to even smart Nazis who care a little bit about what they're doing. It's silly.

15:05 Like there's plenty of anti-Semitic literature that's not like a known hoax.

15:09 Yeah, yeah. Like, Harrison could dip into, like, Reveal O.P. Oliver, like, one of the guys who founded the John Birch Society. It would be, like, right up his alley. Even Henry Ford, if he wanted to go a little bit, like, I guess Henry Ford did publish that Protocols and a lot of, okay, maybe that's not good.

15:28 But that was a hundred years ago. That was a hundred years ago when he didn't know it was a hoax.

15:31 We do now.

15:32 Or maybe he did, who knows, but.

15:34 I don't know if we're going to try and give Henry Ford a pass.

15:36 Right. And I don't want to give Harrison advice about how to be a more productive anti-Semite. I'm just surprised and like a little embarrassed for him.

15:44 It is embarrassing. And I think that like one of the main reasons is that like so Harrison worked for Alex and Alex Jones's career is predicated largely upon building on what like Bill Cooper had done previously. in the Patriot movement and a lot of that media style. And Bill Cooper's book, Behold a Pale Horse, included the protocols.

16:10 It was published in there. So, like, this is some dork shit to pretend it's really risky or that, like, oh, I'm going out on a limb with this one. And I really expected that from Harrison. I'm not surprised at all. Because he sucks. I also think that I'm being unfair. Because I'm not respecting his feelings. That's true.

16:32 He worked really hard on this.

16:34 And when you're jumping into something like this, like, obviously, it's not like if you have a kid and you're bringing them to the amusement park for the first time, it's not going to help to tell them that they're dumb for being scared to go on a roller coaster. Like, you can't cater to their needs by responding appropriately.

16:54 I guess this is his first time having his own, like, big boy show. Like, he doesn't have any older, more experienced anti-Semites to guide him.

17:02 He clearly doesn't have any editorial oversight or anything that is letting him hang out here.

17:07 He's letting it rip.

17:09 Yeah.

17:10 And so he's on a network owned and operated by that pastor?

17:13 Yeah. NXR Studios, which stands for New Christian Right. They're trying to brand themselves as the new America first Christian nationalist hub. Recently, you remember Brandon Straka? Remember that fella? The walk away guy?

17:31 Yeah.

17:32 He hosted a MAGA versus America First debate. And so like the MAGA side was the people who were like, we still like Trump. And the America First people were like, Joel Webben was one of them. Alex Jones was one of them. Joe Kent and some other kid who I'd never heard of. I don't know who he is. But so like that's where he's trying to put his branding.

17:58 And this network is the media arm of his ministries.

18:01 I'm sure there are other groups on the right that are trying to pull away from Trump. But from my perspective, I mean, obviously, my media diet is what it is because of what I do for a living. But it seems like the people trying to pull away from Trump are all saying, we don't like Trump anymore. And also, we think Hitler was right.

18:19 Yeah.

18:20 And that's not great.

18:21 It's not assuring. It makes me worry about the trains of thought that they have. But I think a lot of that has to do with, well, essentially, My theory around this is that the Trump audience and a lot of this right wing media stuff was based around anti-Semitism and anti-communism and often both. But there are people who focused more on one as their brand and the anti-Semitic side has won for now. Like the anti-communist side was pretty bought in with Trump and they all look like idiots. Meanwhile, they look at the antisemitic friends who are running around being like, hee hee hee, and they get jealous of the fun that they're having. So I think that that's a large piece of what's happened to make Trump base

19:10 crack like that.

19:12 It's making me very uncomfortable.

19:14 Yeah. I hope it doesn't continue that way because it's a bad sign. But Harrison, he's starting off and he's nervous. And I just want to say, hey, you got this, buddy. Big guy, you got it.

19:26 Before we before we begin, and I have to admit, Whenever I cover this topic, I get a little nervous. Despite the fact that daily I sort of call out the most dangerous people in the world, what I'm going to do here today is going to go a step further than normal. And again, I hope you appreciate it. And if you do, please hit like and subscribe. Of course, you can find us at newchristianright.com. And by the way, we've announced a conference this November, newchristianright.com slash conference. If you use the promo code Harrison, you get 20% off.

19:56 It's November 12th through 14th in Dallas, Texas. It is the Christ is King America After Trump conference where we're going to talk about the future of American politics. But And I hope to see you there. It's going to be a very fun time. I'm a little distracted because, again, I feel like what I'm about to do is very, I have to be very careful about this. And I want to make it clear what I'm trying to do here.

20:22 This is for educational purposes. And this is a historical document that I think is of interest and should be of interest to people who are concerned about the way geopolitics are going today.

20:34 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Everybody be cool. I got to be careful about this.

20:39 He's being very brave. Like and subscribe to appreciate my sacrifice.

20:43 Yeah, and use the promo code for our Dome conference. Like, I just, I don't quite get the game or the, like, the image that he's trying to put on because he's done tons of blatantly anti-Semitic shit in the past. So, like, this is tame, kind of. Covering the protocols is dumb, but it's not that edgy or it just seems like he's making... making more out of this than he needs to.

21:08 It's a historical document, Dan. He said it. He said so, okay? It's a real historical document.

21:13 That's true. Well, it is a historical document in as much as it is a document that has existed for a long history time.

21:20 I mean, I guess the forgery itself is now old.

21:24 True. And that makes you think, doesn't it?

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21:29 So I have a strong suspicion that Harrison is nervous about getting into this because it's pathetic racist clickbait and he knows it. I think the feedback he's concerned about getting is that it's kind of embarrassing for someone in his position to pretend that the Protocols might be real just for the sake of espousing anti-Semitic ideas. He's saying that he thinks this is a subject that's interesting and he's doing it for educational reasons, so you kind of have to assume that he's studied up on this shit.

21:55 And if he has, there's only one conclusion he can come to, which is that the Protocols are a forgery and a piece of anti-Semitic propaganda. Unless he comes to that conclusion, he legitimately cannot have done much digging into the topic. And I think that he knows that he can't affirm that conclusion. He can't, like, be like, oh, this is definitely totally real. Like, he just can't. He's trapped.

22:17 This is a stupid thing to do.

22:19 And I guess if somebody was forcing him to cover the product, I don't think that's the case. But, like, if he were in a position where he had to cover this, I think what he could have done is split the difference and say, now, this might not be. be technically real, but it's still right. It's still true.

22:34 You know, it's a forgery, but it's true.

22:36 I think that's certainly part of the spirit he's going to embody.

22:40 He could have walked that line, but I think maybe he just shouldn't.

22:43 Have done it. If you walk that line, you also have to say this is totally fake. History has shown that this is not real. We don't know where it comes from. Like, you just reveal yourself to have put in no effort if you don't say that.

22:58 But at the same time, He worked for Alex for so long that, like, just yell really loud and barrel through it like an animal, you know?

23:05 I would prefer that because this studious tone is a little bit obnoxious.

23:10 No, just be confident and make stuff up. It worked for Alex.

23:14 Yeah, clearly.

23:16 Anyone who doesn't turn this off right away when they hear he's covering the protocols of the historical document is dumb enough to believe whatever you tell them.

23:23 Yeah, that's true. Or me. It's one of the two.

23:28 It's you and a bunch of people who fell asleep in front of your computer.

23:31 Yeah, yeah. Smart Nazis don't believe the protocols are real because they're obviously not. If you take even a couple hours to look into it, you'll solve the mystery pretty easily. So people who want to believe what the protocols say but also don't want to look like an idiot generally just accept that they're fake and just bite the bullet. Conversely, people whose job it is to lure people through gateways towards Nazi ideas have to maintain the illusion that they might be real. Their job is to take people who are kinda dumb and think they're watching conservative or Christian content and sneak Nazi shit into that content under the false pretense that they're doing it for educational reasons. And

24:09 this speaks to what I think Harrison's problem is. His job is to be a dumb Nazi recruiter, spouting idiotic shit about how maybe it's dangerous to talk about the protocols, but he sees himself as a much smarter Nazi who might patronize or look down on someone like him. He lives inside this conflict where he inherently knows that the stuff he's doing is stupid, but he's not really good enough to do anything else. And I think that awareness is tough for him. And that might be one of the only reasons I find him at all interesting.

24:41 How long has he had this gig?

24:43 Not too long. A couple months, maybe.

24:45 Okay, so you still get into the swing of it? Maybe?

24:49 He's done a lot of episodes about the protocols after this. Oh. It seems to be... Something that he is quite interested in. I think it's algorithmically working for him.

25:00 It clearly is. Because sometimes when you do a weekly show, I mean, you know this, sometimes you're just not having the kind of week where you're going to turn out your best content. You've got to do something.

25:10 Sure.

25:10 But it sounds like he just likes this.

25:14 Yeah. You know what? When we get to his actual coverage, I think you kind of see why this is kind of good for him. Because you can just scroll to any part of it and be like, ah! He could just read a couple lines and be like, oh my God, look at these monsters. It's no effort, no preparation, perfect kind of stuff. But it's also dangerous. And I think that Harrison is respecting that at the beginning as he gets into his task for the day.

25:44 The document, when I say the name, we may have to bleep the name. That's what I'm talking about here. That's the level that I'm talking about here. It's called The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

25:58 Didn't have to bleep it. Turns out, turns out you can just say it.

26:02 It's very forbidden. I'm being very brave. Like and subscribe to respect my sacrifice.

26:07 That's why I watched it on YouTube. And I have heard from people that it seems like he's popping up in a lot more algorithmic places on social media lately. Like Harrison seems to be Someone that people are seeing more than they thought they would.

26:26 I would expect to see him nowhere. I would expect never to see him.

26:30 Yeah. It's rough. He also, like, I will say this about him. He has a little bit of, like, a home studio kind of setup. I don't think it's in this video, but in some of his other videos, when he's really, like, got into the place it feels lived in, he's got, like, six samurai swords behind him. I think that's cool.

26:50 Oh, hell yeah.

26:50 Yeah. I'm glad he's a sword guy.

26:53 No, I need to see the studio.

26:54 I think you should look it up. It looks very cool.

26:59 I only have one sword in my podcast studio.

27:01 You need a bunch. You need blades everywhere. So Harrison, when he was coming up in the scene, when he was a young conspiracy theorist, he did encounter the protocols. Obviously, everybody does. They're printed in Bill Cooper's book and they're not forbidden. But he thought that they were fake back then.

27:24 Oh, but now he knows better.

27:27 Oh, he might.

27:28 Now, if you've heard anything about this, you probably know it as the most anti-Semitic thing ever created, something that only crazy kooks and conspiracy theorists would even give the time of day. And to be fair, I also had that position for a very long time. I first read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion probably a decade ago, and I I thought they were ridiculous. To be honest, I looked at them and I thought, this is obviously a hoax. It seems like a hoax because it seems so clearly to be written as an enemy of the people it's talking about, pretending to be them and writing in a way that nobody you would think would normally ever write. In other words, this document is full of phrases about how Basically, we're evil, and we're going to

28:14 do evil, and we love doing evil things for evil reasons. And when you first read it, you go, okay, this has got to be a hoax. Who would write like this? Who would actually put this down? Even if it's what they believed, they wouldn't say it, would they? So I don't blame anybody for, you know, at first blush, seeing the protocols of the learned elders of Zion and rolling their eyes and thinking, oh, that old crap, you know, who cares?

28:37 But I've recently revisited... The document.

28:40 I've recently looked at it again, and over the last few years, things have changed. Things have changed in a couple different ways. We've seen the way that Israel as a nation has basically run roughshod over every conception of human rights. We also have things like the release of the Jeffrey Epstein emails in February of this year, in which multiple times in these emails, Jeffrey Epstein and his friends are talking to each other and referencing and acknowledging the fact that they see the world as Jews and non-Jews, or what they call goyim.

29:18 So, if you follow Harrison's train of thought, basically what he's doing here is trying to pacify and reassure people who might see what's in the protocols and respond, hey, this is an obvious hoax. He thought the same thing when he first saw them. It's totally understandable that you'd get that vibe, because no one would talk so bluntly as the guys in the protocols do. But now look around, Israel, Jeffrey Epstein, they talk bluntly in ways that Harrison thinks are similar to the protocols. So maybe that feeling you had about being an obvious hoax, maybe that wasn't so correct.

29:50 Gotta reassess now.

29:52 Is that as far as he's going to go to address the hoax thing? Just like, well, it doesn't feel fake anymore, does it? Or is he going to talk about the actual sort of lineage of the text?

30:02 Well, it's his best argument, probably.

30:05 It feels real to me now.

30:08 Yeah. I think he thinks his work is done, for sure. In terms of, is he going to talk about the clear lineage and history? No, he's absolutely not. It's all just vibes.

30:21 I used to think it was fake, and now I don't.

30:23 Yeah, and people who think that it's fake or who say, based on real reasons, that it's fake, he's trying to act like they only think that because these statements are over the top or, like, there's a vibe, you know? And now Harrison, like, he can't deny that vibe. That vibe starts to feel good to him.

30:41 It was always just about feelings. It was not about historical facts or provenance of the text or anything like that.

30:46 Oh. No. The problem is that this reveals that he never looked into the criticism of the protocols, or that he's willing to lie to the audience in order to make them think favorably of this text. It's not a problem of vibes. There are historical inaccuracies that make the text obviously and definitively fake. One of the most glaring is that chunks of the text are directly plagiarized from two existing works, one called A Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, and the other Biarritz. The prior is not anti-Semitic in nature, but its ideas were repackaged in the protocols for the sake of attacking Jewish people, while Biarritz was already deeply anti-Semitic to begin with. The protocols

31:27 purport to be the minutes of a meeting that there's no evidence ever happened and contains a bunch of plagiarized material, which Harrison should know if he's treating his audience with even the thinnest layer of respect. This is all, like, everything that he's doing is in service of trying to convince a listener that even though your instincts might tell you that this is an obvious hoax, maybe you should take it seriously. Maybe we should academically talk about this historical document. Maybe. Maybe.

31:52 I don't know. Yeah, it seems like he didn't really do the legwork to convince me that, you know, he changed his mind, but why should I change mine? Because he said so.

32:03 Yeah, I feel like you're demanding too much.

32:06 Exactly. It's not like this is his job.

32:09 I think here, here, I'll change your mind about something. I don't know.

32:14 It feels real.

32:16 Yeah.

32:16 Because Jeffrey Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein, like that's not enough.

32:20 No, I didn't like the tone of Jeffrey Epstein in these emails. And they seem similar to me to the way that the protocols reads to me. It's not good. It's very loose, these connections.

32:33 Right, because he didn't say, here's a Jeffrey Epstein email where Jeffrey Epstein said the protocols were real. He's just saying, here's Jeffrey Epstein. He was Jewish and very bad.

32:41 Right, right.

32:42 Those are separate facts.

32:43 That's true. That's true. But in fairness to the very nervous and very brave Harrison.

32:49 He is being very brave.

32:50 He does mention something in this next clip here about something specific from Epstein. So I want, since you brought it up, I want to allow him to rebut.

32:59 A different Jewish person he doesn't like.

33:01 Throughout the.

33:03 Email tranche from Jeffrey Epstein. There are numerous references where Jeffrey Epstein says things like, you know, we make money by speculation, leave the working to the goyim, that sort of thing. And he says this without any qualifiers, without, you know, testing the water to see if the person he was corresponding with would be amenable to this type of degrading language. If you don't know, goyim is a disparaging term that Jews use to refer to non-Jews, and it basically means beast.

33:28 It means animal.

33:30 It's basically the N-word for non-Jews of is a good way of thinking about it. And typically you think even the most hardened racist out there in America, they don't tend to, uh, you know, drop an N word with a hard R in company if they don't know that the people around them are going to, you know, think similarly than them, right? It's not the type of thing you say in polite society. You only reserve that type of thing if you're in a conversation with somebody that you know thinks the same as you do. So when you read Jeffrey Epstein's emails and he's very casually dropping these terms, it makes it clear that, all right, there's a class of people, there's a community of people that think this way and that talk this way and that

34:08 are open about it amongst themselves, even if they conceal it from the rest of us. So things like that have occurred that have caused me to take a second look at this document. That being said, I have no reason to believe that this document is actually the, you know, minutes of a meeting of a bunch of elite Jews in the late 1800s. This could very well be some sort of historical document fabrication, a fraud of some sort.

34:33 I don't know. What I do know is it's been around since the late 1800s.

34:38 I know somebody wrote it, and I know that the ideas expressed in here as revolting and sort of horrifying as they are, they reflect a certain mindset amongst a lot of people around the world.

34:50 Yeah, that's not a good argument still, but he did get a little bit more specific. No, no, no.

34:56 Okay, so A, I think it's not shocking that Jeffrey Epstein would use any kind of language because these are people he rapes kids with.

35:04 Yeah, speak freely.

35:06 I don't think you need to, like, hedge your bets about whether your language is going to offend the guy that comes to your child fucking party. Okay? First of all.

35:13 Yeah, that's not a tight-lipped crowd for, like, uh-oh, we're going to say something that'll get us canceled.

35:20 This guy's going to cancel me. No, fuck you. And then second of all, It's real because I feel that it is real, except obviously I know that it might not be, but let's pretend that it is anyway because it feels better.

35:32 There is a very interesting kind of game of make-believe that's happening that is required in order to make this presentation that he's doing even possible.

35:43 So I don't know. I haven't spent enough time with Harrison. Maybe you know. I don't know if he thinks the Holocaust happened or not. I'm sure we'll get to that.

35:51 He's open.

35:51 But there is a particular kind of, like, mental game that you see with Holocaust deniers where like multiple truths can coexist with equal value and weight for them where they will, you know, they can say in the same breath with no cognitive distance, no contradiction, the Holocaust didn't happen, but if it did, it was good and they deserved it.

36:11 You know what I mean? Like, so these truths, these opposite truths coexist and they're both equally true and they mean both of them equally as much. And that's kind of what he's doing here, which makes me think he might have experience with that. It's not real, but it feels real and it is.

36:26 I don't think your instincts are off there. I think that you're probably right on.

36:32 Like, whatever truth is worse for the Jews right now is how I feel. That's kind of.

36:38 And my feelings are indicative of what is realer than real. Like, this could be a hoax, but my feelings are what make it real and true. Also... this episode isn't going to come out like when we're recording it but today an episode of the real world road rules challenge came out where three cast members were kicked off the show because one of them said the n-word and like they didn't even address it on the show they just were like these three guys code of conduct violation they're gone so like I don't know what Harrison's talking about. There are some racists who say things in places where they definitely should.

37:17 The most hardened racist in America wouldn't just say the N-word. Yeah, dog, they would. Yeah, they do.

37:24 They absolutely do. This guy did on a fucking reality TV show.

37:28 Good for Real World Road Rules Challenge. I'm glad that they have some moral compass over there on the Real World Road Rules Challenge. It's hard to say.

37:38 Yeah, I'm a big supporter of it.

37:40 I'm sure show alum Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy is very proud.

37:46 They got to get him back on another season. Like him, Theo Vaughn, they got to get some of these old school guys back. I regret that I love that show. I won't apologize for it, but I will recognize that it's bad. If we're keeping track of Harrison's position, which I think is important to do because it's not going to be a straight line.

38:12 It's hard to do.

38:13 At this point, he doesn't know if the document is fake or not. He seems to want to appear as if he doesn't have a position one way or another, which is interesting because he very obviously is trying to get the audience to take them seriously. That seems to be because he's trying to argue that there's an underlying truth to the protocols, even if the text is a forgery.

38:33 He says quite literally in that clip that the text reflects a certain mindset among a lot of people around the world. And that's interesting, because I'm going to read you here a little passage. Quote, And these writings expound in all their various directions the final aims towards which the Jews are striving. And that is from Mein Kampf, where Adolf Hitler waves aside concerns that the protocols might be fake because they reveal a deeper truth about the nature of Jewish people. This is basically the same angle that Harrison is taking, which shouldn't surprise anybody.

39:19 That's exactly what Harrison just said, except not as eloquently.

39:24 Well, I mean, Hitler had more time, you know? Right.

39:27 I mean, he was in jail. He had nothing else to do.

39:29 Yeah. Yeah. You can't fault Harrison for.

39:32 Not being as smart as Hitler.

39:34 I don't think the editorial team is very good over it. The new Christian right. So, like, I don't know.

39:42 If the approach you're taking to the episode can be best summed up by an excerpt from Mein Kampf, you've got to move on. You've got to shut it down.

39:50 But that's just where we are now, right? Like, I don't know how this is going to evolve.

39:54 Right, he might evolve. He might come out the other side of it, right?

39:58 Maybe.

39:58 Right?

40:00 So let's get a little bit literate. This next clip, Harrison's going to get a little bit scholarly and literate.

40:06 I think it's worth it to go through this, to look at it, to study it, in the same way that one would study Machiavelli's The Prince. Because The Prince has a lot of sort of similar concepts to this, if you're not familiar with that genre. Machiavelli's The Prince, it has a very similar view to The Learned Elders of Zion, but it has almost an inverted starting point.

40:28 So you'll see in the protocols, they basically have this belief that humankind and every human being is in their heart evil and tyrannical and vicious and petty, and that basically they need to be controlled like herd animals, like beasts to be corralled and controlled. Machiavelli had a different perspective.

40:51 He basically thought everybody was good at their heart, didn't want to hurt everybody, but that you needed to teach rulers to be sort of ruthless and heartless in order to maintain sovereignty and peace in the realm. So they both sort of come to the same conclusion that tyranny is necessary. Only Machiavelli's The Prince sort of comes at it with this idea that you're going to have to train the leaders of the world to be bad, whereas The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion basically says humans are bad and you need strict and tyrannical rulers to keep them in order.

41:26 Harrison's premise just got really bizarre there. Like, The Prince can't be compared to The Protocols. That's not cool.

41:32 I don't think we should have brought Machiavelli into this at all.

41:35 No, one's a genuine text and the other is an anti-Semitic propaganda hoax. It's weird to compare them as literature.

41:41 It's giving a guy who's only ever read two books, you know?

41:46 I think that Alex used to yell about the prince a lot. I don't know if he's read it himself, but he would bring up Machiavelli a lot.

41:53 Right.

41:53 It's just like an anchor point that he thinks will be helpful, but he doesn't actually know what he's anchoring to.

42:00 Yeah, three quarters of the way through a bottle of Tito's, Alex explained to him the, the prince, that's different than the globalist. And he's just retained that. That's my guess.

42:11 We are not off to a good start here. But he is, is he going to do like a close reading of the text for us, right?

42:16 No. Well, maybe. We'll see. I don't know. Does the text exist? Who knows? But, like, leaving aside the fact that the Prince and the Protocols shouldn't be compared because they're different categories of literature, his comparison is insane. Let's start with Harrison's claim that the Prince starts from a point of believing that man is good at the core.

42:36 I'll read to you a little bit from Machiavelli's The Prince. Quote, upon this a question arises, whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved. It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but because it is difficult to unite them in one person... it's much safer to be feared than loved, when of the two, either must be dispensed with. Because this is to be asserted in general of men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, false, cowardly, covetous, and as long as you succeed, they're yours entirely. They will offer you their blood, property, life, and children, as is said above, when the need is far distant, but when it approaches, they turn against you. So I don't think Machiavelli's saying that all men are all pretty good.

43:21 He's saying that they're fickle, false, ungrateful, cowardly, and covetous.

43:27 I don't think he read it.

43:28 Nah. Nah. So the Protocols are a fantasy that depicts evil tyrants laying out their evil plans in masturbatory detail, whereas The Prince is a book that's meant to describe the dynamics of how a prince stays in control of newly acquired territory. It doesn't really... I just don't see.

43:45 I don't see why he made this comparison in the first place.

43:49 Uh, the letter P?

43:51 Okay, fair enough.

43:52 You're right.

43:52 Carry on.

43:53 I mean, it's right there. The signs are in front of your face. The protocols, the prince, boom, we're cooking.

44:00 It's right there.

44:02 So the prince doesn't really argue that people should act morally for morality's sake. It's more of a situation where if you're a complete asshole to the people you're supposed to rule over, it's going to be hard to stay in power. It's kind of like a do's and don'ts list for potential princes. Do crush your enemies as quickly as possible. Don't bang around with your subject's wives. Do try to cultivate the false image that you're a liberal.

44:27 Don't walk around unarmed around people who you've enslaved. Don't be very clear about don't do that.

44:33 That's good advice.

44:35 Yeah. Harrison's use of the prince here is indicative of a lack of depth in his analysis of this subject. The prince is a text that's taught in high schools, so his attempt to make it somehow comparable to the protocols is a clear move like in the direction of trying to sanitize the protocols to the viewers. Like it's comparable with something that should be the basis of political science study. Right.

44:58 Like this is an ancient text of some historical value for us to explore.

45:02 It must be if we're talking about it in the same breath as the prince.

45:06 Right.

45:07 It's fucked up. So you brought up earlier that there are like factual problems with believing that the protocols are real. Things like that clear plagiarism that is in it and stuff like that's part of the problem for you, I assume.

45:26 I'm not intimately familiar with the precise arguments about the text's provenance because it's been a while since I encountered anyone talking about it sincerely. But there is clear factual evidence. arguments against it being real right like there are like you said there's chunks of it that were plagiarized from a text that is written after it was allegedly written things like that right well.

45:49 There's you know there are a lot of things like this that are brought up you know but what if i were to tell you that all of those things all of those things that you've ever heard were put out by the guy who started the cia all right so maybe we can't even believe all that stuff what.

46:07 There's also some other very funny connections with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. If you look up the official debunking, right, like the official, you know, the investigation into this document to determine whether it was real or a hoax, and the official account says this was a hoax, this is not a real document, this is a fabrication of some sort. The person who made that determination was the founder of the CIA, Alan Dulles.

46:35 So.

46:36 I don't know if that's the most trustworthy source for determining the legitimacy or veracity of a document or not.

46:44 I guess I'll leave that up to you.

46:45 An interesting connection with the Dulles family, John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles, two brothers that sort of founded the CIA and the spy state.

46:54 As we know it here in America.

46:56 I believe it was John Foster Dulles, Alan Dulles' brother, who was their at the negotiations for the Treaty of Versailles following World War I, and it was John Foster Dulles himself who insisted on having the war guilt clause included in the Treaty of Versailles. That was the poison pill that basically guaranteed that Germany would never be able to rebuild and would suffer economic catastrophe and basically ensured that World War II would have happened somewhere down the line. So, some interesting connections for the old Allen and John Foster Dulles brothers. who of course are now honored in America with a airport named after them and all sorts of other stuff. We could go on and on about the

47:36 Dulles brothers, but I thought that was an interesting sort of caveat here that, okay, it's officially declared a hoax, but the person who declared it is one of the greatest deceivers of all time. So, you know, I don't know how much we can rely on that.

47:49 So maybe we don't know anything.

47:51 This is so retro. This is like classic, like 1950s Nazi apologia, right? This is like, German-American Bund guy making apologies for Hitler in 1948. Like, this is so weird.

48:06 Really is archaic.

48:08 Like, where is he getting this?

48:10 I don't know what, like, what the goal, oh, I know what the goal is, but I don't know what the move is necessarily. Like, you have to be so disconnected from the conversations and, like, the reality of media that's happened in the last, like, 60 years. in order to pretend that this is fresh or, like, cutting edge.

48:32 And I think Harrison's just dumb. I think he's unaware, maybe. Like, I don't know.

48:38 This is, like, a guy demonstrating for the release of Rudolph Hess. Like, where did you come from?

48:43 It might be a time machine kind of thing. Maybe the Nazis did figure out that time machine during World War II, and they brought Harrison to the present.

48:51 Oh, shit. Look that up, Jamie. Yeah.

48:57 So I think the point that Harrison is making here is pretty overt. John Foster Dulles fucked over Germany and the Treaty of Versailles, which legitimizes Hitler's argument in World War II. And coincidentally, that same guy's brother founded the CIA and is the one who debunked the protocols. Obviously, you can't trust the debunking.

49:16 Don't make me defend the Dulles brothers. Jesus, Harrison.

49:18 Legit, I'm not going to. to. Dulles is stuck and I'm not going. But I do need to say a few things. So Dulles was in charge of the intelligence agencies that would become the CIA in the period of 1951 to 1961. In 1920, a researcher named Lucian Wolfe published a book demonstrating that the protocols were a forgery.

49:40 And by that year, Critical Academia had found its problems and debunked the text thoroughly and publicly. Harrison has just pulled this Dulles connection from Wikipedia, but it's citing a book called OSS Knowledge of the Holocaust by Richard Brightman. The book is an expensive one, so I resent tracking it down a little bit, but I feel like this line is worth it. Writing about Alan Dulles in that book, quote, He held some negative stereotypes of Jews, but in 1921, he was directly involved in efforts to expose the now infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a forgery. So, like, he didn't like Jewish people, but he wasn't in for this.

50:20 Oh, credit where credit's due.

50:21 That's not on the Wikipedia page. The part where the beginning of the sentence is that he had negative stereotypes about Jews. So this is really just a single line from the book, and its coverage of Dulles has much more to do with his intelligence-gathering role in Switzerland in the early 1940s. But the question has been raised about his involvement in the story of the Protocols. It's difficult to nail down exactly what role Dulles played in any of it, but he was working at the U.S. Embassy in Istanbul from 1921, and it's said that he helped the London Times publish an article discrediting the Protocols primarily by connecting them with sources. The problem is that that's a year after Wolf's book was published and after this

51:08 thing had already been discovered to be a fraud. It's not a situation where Dulles, 30 years prior to running the CIA, spearheaded a debunking effort. He was a middleman in this process that was already underway and academics had already pretty much figured out. So that's no good.

51:25 That he wasn't instrumental in this process and it would have happened without him because it was already happening without him. Yeah. He was just part of the publication of one article about this.

51:35 And I think that that London Times article is probably like, I think it's an important article. Sure. I think you can get away with saying he was instrumental in helping publicize the fact that it's a forgery.

51:49 Right, but the academic work. that underlies the article would have happened with or without him.

51:55 Yeah.

51:56 This wasn't the CIA paying people to write this.

52:01 Absolutely not.

52:01 Because the CIA didn't exist. Because it didn't exist.

52:05 Dulles did, and he is sketchy. And he's got a brother.

52:10 But Harrison knows what he's doing, right? Because as soon, I mean, even for me, as soon as I hear Alan Dulles is involved, I gotta hear more about it. I don't trust that man.

52:18 No, that's true. And I think that that's a that's a really good shortcut that like you and I, we don't want to defend Alan Dulles. So if Harrison is propping him up as the person that we need to sort of defend in order to attack his argument, it feels bad to do that. Most people do like, yeah, fuck the CIA.

52:36 It's a clever rhetorical choice. Yeah.

52:39 Yeah. They do that a lot. And it's usually bullshit.

52:42 Especially if you're talking to conspiracy theorists. A lot of them are going to be like, oh, well, of course, of course.

52:46 Yeah. And I think conspiracy theorists, too, like and especially the people who are drawn to Harrison media, a lot of them like I think that they're really embarrassed to admit they don't know something. And so there will be a lot of times where it's like, did you know that Alan Dulles was the one who told us protocols are fake? Of course, I knew that man. Like, I think there's a lot of that dynamic. And I don't know.

53:10 People get stuck there.

53:12 It's not earned. So another problem here is that John Foster Dulles was a fierce and very public advocate for keeping German war reparations to a minimum after World War I. A 1973 article in the Princeton Library Chronicle describes a fight that Dulles had when he was Woodrow Wilson's Secretary of State, and Wilson wanted to add pensions into the amount that Germany would have to pay as war debt.

53:36 In an April 1st, 1919 meeting, Dulles explained that Wilson's decision ran counter to the logic of the American position, in response to which Wilson apparently yelled at him and ended the meeting. John Foster Dulles' position on war reparations is the exact opposite of what Harrison is saying, but he was one of the authors of Article 231 of the Treaty of Versailles. That article had a big impact in terms of creating a justification for Germany having to pay more reparations after the war, But Dulles has been clear that the intent was the opposite, and the problem was that the negotiated wording was used unfortunately and against the way that he had intended it after the fact.

54:17 You can believe him or not, but if you look at his larger record, he pretty consistently wanted to make post-war burden on Germany as light as possible. So I find it hard to believe that Harrison has looked too deeply into this, and if he has some sort of evidence that all of John Foster Dulles's like public positions were him lying, then he's welcome to present that.

54:39 But no, because that part of the, that step, that part of the process, that level of information, that's not relevant to him because all he needs is to say, this man who hurt Germany in this way that made them have to do this, he was covering for the Jews. So of course Germany had to do what they did to the Jews. That's all that matters. Yep.

55:01 The vibe. He's got the vibe.

55:03 I don't know if he's a Holocaust denier, but he certainly sounds like a Holocaust excuser so far.

55:09 Yeah, and I don't think we're going to get, like, to the Holocaust in this episode in any depth. That's good. Thank God.

55:16 No, but when you're pushing the protocols, what you're saying is the Holocaust was good.

55:21 Yeah. To me. Yeah. I... As we sit here today, I don't want to pretend that I'm going to give you Harrison's position.

55:29 I'm not going to put those words in Harrison's mouth. I'm just saying he sounds like a guy who's saying they got what they deserved.

55:35 Yes, I'll go with you on that. I don't know what he's denying is real or isn't in terms of the Holocaust, but I think he's chill. He's cool about it. You know, he's unbothered.

55:48 Not a great position on Jenna's side.

55:51 So at this point, I feel like Harrison has not gotten to any material yet.

55:58 But he feels a lot.

55:59 And he's doing a lot of this preamble about his feelings.

56:04 I'm just wondering, is there anything else I need to prepare you for before we actually get into the document? But no, I'm literally doing this because of educational purposes. I think this is a valuable political document to look at, especially in the modern world.

56:20 And one of the reasons I'm nervous.

56:21 To do this is because People that talk about this document tend to be labeled with not exactly the most complimentary labels.

56:31 Why?

56:31 You don't want to be somebody that is known for wandering around carrying a hard printed copy.

56:36 Of the protocols like I've been.

56:38 That would be weird.

56:39 But like I said, when I first read this, I also thought it was ridiculous. I also thought it was way overdone. I compare it to my experience first reading 1984. If you read 1984 as I did in high school, it can seem ridiculous. You sit there and you go, okay, it's making some points, but there's a scene in 1984 where people go to a protest with a sign. Then the situation changes during the protest and the people are destroying their own signs saying, this must have been planted on me by East Asian agents or whatever.

57:07 And I remember reading that scene just thinking, this is stupid.

57:10 Nobody would ever actually be this crazy, right? And then I look around the world today and I You know, maybe Orwell was on to something. Maybe he was more right than I gave him credit for. I feel similarly about the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, where you first read it, you think this is ridiculous, who would believe this? And then you become a little bit more wise to the world, and you come back and say, maybe this is a valuable thing to study.

57:34 Eesh. So, like, I think Harrison really should avoid this kind of 1984 stuff, because, like, there's a literal example of him doing... what he's saying like the idea that protesters would have one sign and then halfway through the protest they'd change their sign on january 6th he was in the studio saying patriots have taken over the capital we're in charge now and then he had to walk that back when the the alex was like uh we're pretending this is fake we're not doing that.

58:07 I think as soon as he said i would ever do you you would you do it.

58:13 You did that the one time you had the desk during, like, the big breaking news. Crazy. Come on, man.

58:21 Also, I'm really starting to think maybe he hasn't read a book since high school.

58:25 Or during.

58:28 The only two books he's brought up were high school curriculum.

58:31 Yeah, that's true. That is true. And it's a problem.

58:34 Also, where did he get a hard copy of The Protocols of the Elders of... Where did he get a hard copy of that?

58:42 I'm certain that he doesn't have one. I'm certain he just pulled it up online. But it's a fun image, him sitting on the bus, a little hard copy of the protocols of the Elder Zion. Excuse me. Ugh, what an asshole. Yeah, he doesn't take the bus. What am I imagining him on public transit?

59:01 No, because there could be people who aren't white on the bus, and that would be really scary.

59:05 Right, right. Did he say hardcover copy? Or did you say hardcopy?

59:10 He said, like, walking around with a hard copy of it, like I have been. Like, that's crazy.

59:15 Yeah. And it would be small, too. Like, it's not a long book.

59:19 It's like a pamphlet.

59:21 Yeah. Very dumb. Very dumb.

59:23 The John Birch Society does still exist. I mean, there's someone out there printing this. I'm sure you could get one.

59:28 But why? Yeah, based on Harrison's, as he gets into this, I'm convinced that he just pulled it up online. But you could probably find some unscrewed, or just get a copy of Behold a Pale Horse. Then you've got it. Oh, then it's in there. So 1984 is not like the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, but this is clearly the kind of angle that Harrison feels like he can pull off. And he can't. The idea is supposed to be that 1984 isn't actually true. It's an obvious work of fiction, but through satire, it's able to reveal things that are very real. This is the idea that Harrison is trying to implant in the audience's mind before getting into the actual discussion of the text, so they don't even have to worry if this is a real

1:00:09 document or not. Even if it's totally fake, isn't that what you'd call fiction like 1984? And that's so real, you know? It's all just made up, but it's real.

1:00:19 You know what this reminds me of? When someone, when there's like a fake screenshot going around that's like kind of sensational and people react to it thinking that it's real and then someone points out that it's not real and they say, well, it really could have been and that says a lot about society.

1:00:32 Yeah, but what if it were? Your reaction is.

1:00:36 The fact that it felt real to me actually says a lot about society.

1:00:41 Yeah, yeah.

1:00:42 That's what he's doing.

1:00:43 You have just sliced this man. That is exactly what this feels like. To me, it also feels like I wanted to say like the opposite of a literature class, but I actually mean, I don't mean the opposite of what I mean.

1:00:56 You mean algebra?

1:00:58 No, that's fake. Number one. Number B, no. It's like if there were a class you could go to to learn how to not understand things, like if that was possible, if there was a process to like make yourself less able to deal with media that's what he's doing the show is like an anti-class.

1:01:19 The anti-matter of books yeah if there was a place you could go that would remove books from your mind.

1:01:25 And i think that that's so important to like that teaching people to think like that is so important to getting them to a place where they just take this content in and don't realize how stupid it is so i think it's.

1:01:38 Strategic None of the ideas he's presenting are connected at all. It's just like Epstein, Alan Dulles, the Jews, Hitler. Like, but it's just this like a bunch of buzzwords sort of knitted together to make you kind of feel worked up and smart, you know, because these are like complicated historical concepts about Alan Dulles and the Treaty of Versailles.

1:02:00 Like buzzwords you remember, like things you kind of remember from school and you're like, yeah, absolutely. I'm keeping up. I'm filling in the gaps here.

1:02:07 Yeah.

1:02:08 It's downright scholarly. Like, really, what he's doing. We could get right down to it.

1:02:12 But if you're kind of dumb, I bet it really hits.

1:02:15 Well, let's see how dumb this can get.

1:02:18 So that's what we're going to do.

1:02:20 We're going to study it, we're going to look at it, and we're going to identify what of these protocols are still active and being pursued. Now, it is very hard to find this document. You cannot find an accurate translation almost anywhere. I believe I have the most accurate translation I can find. It's not in sort of vernacular English.

1:02:44 It's more in the English that it was written in, or well, it would have been written in, I don't know, Yiddish or Russian or something. But the original translation, it has sort of archaic verbiage that I think is interesting. But this is, I think, the most accurate translation.

1:03:01 So the protocols are not hard to find. They're on like a thousand websites.

1:03:05 Wait a second.

1:03:07 What's up?

1:03:07 Wait a second. When did this episode come out?

1:03:10 This episode? I'm not sure the exact date I could find that.

1:03:15 But like in the last couple of weeks?

1:03:18 Um, yeah, within a few months, probably. A month or two.

1:03:22 So there is a, I think three years ago, someone published a new translation. You can buy a hard copy of the protocol. What?

1:03:32 Yes.

1:03:33 That's crazy.

1:03:34 And there was an article promoting it on a neo-Nazi website a few weeks ago. I wonder if he read that and.

1:03:41 Then bought these. Oh, no, no. It's before that then. No, the time would have been, okay, I got the date here, his release date. was June 5th was when this was posted.

1:03:50 Okay, but I'm sure they've been promoting this elsewhere. I just don't read The Occidental Observer that often. But yes, so a regular author at The Occidental Observer in 2023 published his new translation of The Protocol's hard copy. So I wonder if that's what he's walking around with.

1:04:05 It's not what he's using for this episode, I can tell you that, because he's just pulling from, what is it, the website is like heritage history or something like that. It's just the online free version. The way he's.

1:04:19 Harping on, like, the translations aren't all very good. And, like, we have this neo-Nazi pushing his translation of it for sale.

1:04:27 That is an interesting connection, and I think it could be connected or coincidence. But my explanation is he wants to sound smart. He thinks this is what smart people would do. I have the best translation. Because also.

1:04:43 It makes it sound like he considered it a lot.

1:04:45 He probably read like three or four different translations and like looked at the words and was like, nah, this one's no good. This is loose with the translation. So he flashes on screen his like text. And I found this from the Heritage History website that has free PDF of this. And it says translated from Russian at the top of the page. So Harrison's suggestion that it might be translated from Yiddish. It's just some kind of dumb anti-Semitic joke that accidentally reveals that he didn't read his own source. He should know what language it's translated from.

1:05:28 It's at the top of the fucking page. Ding dong.

1:05:30 But it wasn't originally in Russian, right? Because the Russian translation came later.

1:05:35 No, I think it would have been original. I don't know. I don't know.

1:05:38 Let's hear it, buddy.

1:05:40 But at the beginning of that clip, Harrison said something that I think we should revisit and really think about.

1:05:46 And we're going to identify what of these protocols are still active and being pursued.

1:05:55 So the language that he's using is meant to explicitly send the message to a listener that these protocols are real. If his goal is to figure out which ones are still active, then it's pretty clear that he thinks they all were at some point. And if a protocol is active, that means someone activated them.

1:06:13 That someone is doing it. There is an actor here. Like, That there is a secret group of people enacting these protocols.

1:06:22 Right.

1:06:22 If any of them are active, then you're saying they are real. They are all real.

1:06:27 Yeah. And some are just not active anymore. Right.

1:06:29 Because they finished them. Yeah.

1:06:32 We're just kind of like, hey, that was silly of us. Why did we do that?

1:06:34 Checking out this table of contents. There's some scary stuff in here.

1:06:37 Yeah. A lot of capital letters. A lot of stuff that looks like shouting on a page for sure. So Harrison hasn't gotten to the text yet, and he's doing such a bad job of pretending to be a neutral academic presenter. It's too obvious that he's desperate to say that he loves the protocols, but doesn't want to have to take responsibility for promoting an embarrassing anti-Semitic hoax. So he's doing this weird dance. And it's fun. Are you finding anything in the table of contents that jumps out at you?

1:07:06 Oh, no, I'm just looking forward to which of these protocols he's going to tell us about, right? Control of the press, abuse of authority, arrest of opponents. I mean, some of these protocols are active, but I don't think we agree about who's doing them.

1:07:20 That kind of calls into the question the word active. Some of these are descriptive of ways power is abused. Ooh, great. So Harrison's, he's, you know, he thinks he's getting to the text. But unfortunately, he hasn't prepared at all, so he spends a bit of time in the introduction that is added to the text in the website that he is pulling this from.

1:07:45 I just wonder if he didn't get as far as he'd hoped reading it, and so he's just stalling for time. He's just got to fill the hour.

1:07:51 Well, this episode is like an hour and a half long, and I would like to ask you, how far do you think he gets?

1:07:59 Okay, so if we haven't even gotten through the introduction that was added to the translation... We're not getting very far. We're not getting past basic doctrine. Chapter one.

1:08:10 OK, that's your that's your prediction.

1:08:13 What do you think?

1:08:14 Oh, you know. I have, unfortunately, more information, but we'll see if you're correct.

1:08:20 Introduction says this book in which these protocols are embodied was first published in the year 1897 by Philip Stepanov for private circulation amongst his intimate friends. And, of course, most people know about this in relation to Henry Ford.

1:08:35 Mr.

1:08:35 Henry Ford, in an interview published in the New York World, February 17th, 1921, put the case for Nihilist tersely and convincingly thus, The only statement I care to make about the protocols is that they fit with.

1:08:47 What's going on.

1:08:48 They are 16 years old and have fitted the world situation up till this time, and they fit it now. That's, of course, a very famous quote about the protocols and, of course, the grob. of Henry Ford himself saying this means something. I also think it's worth noting how long ago this was that Henry Ford was saying they seem to match everything going on, because that's exactly the claim I'm going to be making.

1:09:13 We can tell. It was a long time ago, though, right? So, like, hey, it's old. It's old. There's got to be something to it.

1:09:19 I mean, if Henry Ford and I agree about it, it must be true.

1:09:22 Right. Don't, like, ask a second question about the things that you're agreeing with Henry Ford about.

1:09:28 Why might Henry Ford have felt that it felt true? Why would he have said that?

1:09:32 So if Harrison had read this in advance, he would know that he should just ignore this introduction. The tone and clear bias it has takes away from Harrison's desperate need to pretend that he's reading the best straight down the middle translation of the text. Henry Ford was quoted there, which is fun. The context of that quote is that he was trying to justify publishing the protocols in his book The International Jew and in articles he published in the newspaper that he owned, The Dearborn Independent. People were rightly criticizing him for that move, and he got defensive about it in the same way that Harrison is clearly preparing himself to do through this episode. But also, this introduction has several problems that need to be addressed. It

1:10:14 claims that the Protocols were originally published in 1897, because that's when the first Zionist Congress held its initial meeting. Sergei Nilius, the guy who published the Protocols, initially said that it was from that meeting, but changed his story after people pointed out that it was a public meeting and no one who was there corroborates that story. After that embarrassment, Nilius tried to say that it was from their meeting in 1902 or 1903, But that creates a new problem because his story originally was that he was given the documents by a mysterious woman in 1901, which would have been before the documents should have existed.

1:10:52 That's tough. I mean, linear time is really this man's enemy.

1:10:56 Yep. Harrison should commit to just being a time traveler. That would be the best.

1:11:01 It solves the problem.

1:11:02 The whole story of the Protocols is full of holes. And any source that's saying that the Protocols were first published in 1897... has a credibility problem, and that's in the introduction to the best translation that Harrison has found. He should try harder, is what I'm saying.

1:11:19 He didn't even read the Wikipedia article, to be honest.

1:11:22 You think he didn't even go that deep?

1:11:23 He must not have, because otherwise he wouldn't be saying this 1897 shit.

1:11:27 Yeah. I think the sense that I got is some of his coverage was cold reading. Like, he hadn't even really looked at the text properly. Like, he's just skimming through the introduction.

1:11:42 And he doesn't have Alex's skill with adjusting his... Like, changing his point of view on the fly when he's cold reading something that doesn't agree with him. Mm-hmm. I mean, Alex isn't that good at it, but he's better than this guy.

1:11:57 I think it's the booze. I think... I think it makes you flexible.

1:12:01 It makes you fast and loose.

1:12:03 Yeah. There's a reason that, like, you know, alcoholics or people who are drunk tend to survive car crashes more. They're loose.

1:12:09 I was going to say the same thing.

1:12:12 That's what Harrison's missing. He's too rigid, too uptight. So here he is reading a little bit more from this introduction.

1:12:20 Now, the term protocol, the word protocol, signifies a precise....

1:12:26 In the front of the document, a draft document, minutes of a proceeding. In this case, protocol means minutes of the proceedings of the learned elders of Zion.

1:12:34 So Harrison has no idea what he's reading here. The text says, quote, the word protocol signifies the pressee gummed onto the front of the document, a draft of a document. And he doesn't know the word pressee, so he's just very confused by the word gummed. He doesn't know what these words mean, and he's This is, it's just bad.

1:12:53 If this was a scholarly breakdown.

1:12:55 To be fair, I've never seen that word either. So it's like precise without an E on the end.

1:12:59 Yeah. It's like a breakdown.

1:13:02 Oh, a short, clear, objective summary that captures the main ideas and core of a large.

1:13:06 Okay.

1:13:06 So like an introduction. Yeah.

1:13:08 Or an executive summary or something like that.

1:13:10 An abstract at the top of an article.

1:13:12 Yeah. Okay.

1:13:13 Yeah.

1:13:13 Look, hey, Molly, you know what?

1:13:15 Yeah.

1:13:15 That's not a word that I use a lot either. I don't know it.

1:13:19 It's a new word for me, but if I were using it on my show, I would have looked it up first.

1:13:23 Exactly. Know your material before you're going to jump in.

1:13:27 I look up a lot of words before I record my show. I think he should try it.

1:13:31 Yeah. And so I just think there's these moments that are just too indicative of like, okay, you're just, It's not trying. There's no trying. Right.

1:13:40 Don't present this to me as like, I've done, you know, I've changed my opinion on this. This is a historical document. I've done a lot of research. You obviously haven't because you're cold reading words you've never seen before. You didn't do a lot of research.

1:13:52 I want a justification for why you changed your mind and not like just, hey, we're being real wild about our anti-Semitism and connecting it to a criticism of Israel. Like, and the Epstein talked mean. Like, that's not good enough.

1:14:09 I changed my mind about this because I got more anti-Semitic.

1:14:11 Yeah, I got a new job. Like, okay, great.

1:14:15 I'm allowed to talk like this now. Like, that's not convincing.

1:14:18 I'm not scared of Alex yelling at me anymore about being cool. Grandpa's gone.

1:14:24 We don't want to lose our gold sponsor.

1:14:26 Yeah. So, like, this is one of Harrison's best arguments, I think.

1:14:31 Okay, hit me.

1:14:33 So again, this is supposedly the minutes of a meeting of this ruling class of Jewish oligarchs, essentially. And it's supposedly written in the late 1800s, published first in 1897. Which again, whether it's valid or not, this is long enough ago that you sort of have to wonder how long all this stuff has been in place.

1:14:57 You have to wonder.

1:14:58 You have to.

1:15:00 I'm wondering.

1:15:00 Wow. The protocols are old, so even if they're a hoax, even if this is all fake and everything.

1:15:06 They're old and they're real.

1:15:09 They're so old, you gotta think, like, this is what's been guiding the world secretly from behind the scenes the whole time.

1:15:14 If idiots like me have been tricked for over a hundred years, it kinda has to be true. Because they've been tricking us for a hundred years.

1:15:21 So... And are we that stupid? No!

1:15:24 No, who would do that?

1:15:26 You! My feelings demand that this be real, so even if it's fake, it's real.

1:15:32 Facts don't care about your feelings, except I feel that these facts are true.

1:15:36 Facts don't care about your feelings. I think they stress the wrong word, you know, like whenever that was a popular catchphrase. But yeah, I think that there's something fun about equating like this has been around a long time with it must have some merit. That's not true.

1:15:52 That's a classic logical fallacy, right? Like the appeal to antiquity. Like this has been around a long time. There's got to be something to it.

1:15:58 That's barely a popular fallacy, even. I think that's one a lot of people don't even fall for.

1:16:05 Popular for dumb guys.

1:16:07 Yeah.

1:16:09 Ugh.

1:16:09 So we're still in the introduction here, and Harrison finds the word snake, and so he decides to riff on that for a little bit.

1:16:18 Interestingly, they actually symbolize themselves, the elders of Zion, and Zion itself, as the snake, the classic serpent symbol. metaphor from the Garden of Eden. And this is one of the things, you read this and you think, well, who would call themselves the snake? Like what, you know, it's got to be a hoax. Who would sit there and go, we're the snake, we're the slimy, wily, we're just like the serpent. It's like nobody would actually do that. However, you read sort of the purpose of them calling themselves the snakes and it actually makes sense. These learned men decided by peaceful means, it says, to conquer the world for Zion and with the slyness of the symbolic snake, whose head was to represent those who had been initiated

1:16:59 into the plans of the Jewish administration, and the body of the snake to represent the Jewish people. The administration was always kept secret, even from the Jewish nation itself. So what it's saying here is the elders of Zion are the head of the snake. The body will always follow the head, even if it doesn't know where the head is going. The body, the regular Jews out there, don't necessarily know what the head is thinking and where it's going, but it will follow it and it will be used to constrict the prey. Right. So, again, when this document is treated as a viciously anti-Semitic document, you have to understand in the document itself, it acknowledges that the vast majority of Jews, the Jewish population in America

1:17:38 or anywhere else, are unaware of the way that they're being used to carry out this plan.

1:17:43 Harrison is still reading from the introduction, and he doesn't realize that this passage from the introduction is is actually quoting Sergei Nilius from an epilogue he wrote for the 1905 reprint of the Protocols. This is from a part where Nilius is arguing that there's been an ongoing Jewish conspiracy since 429 BC in Greece, all the way up to the present. He's not even taking this head of the serpent thing from the text itself. Instead, it's just the ramblings of the guy who published the Protocols.

1:18:15 So he hasn't even gotten to any of the Protocols yet.

1:18:18 No, and this isn't even like the introduction of the book. It's the introduction to this online posted version of it, quoting the guy who published it saying some crazy shit.

1:18:31 Wait, this is just external commentary, and I don't think he knows that.

1:18:35 Nope. He is clearly unaware.

1:18:37 He was like, who would talk about themselves this way that they're not? The fictional author of this hoax is actually not saying this. This is a second guy.

1:18:47 Yeah, Sergei Nilius is being quoted talking about what he imagines to be a 2,500-year conspiracy that the Jewish people have been running. Sure. Yeah, and Harrison just doesn't even know. He does not know what he's commenting on as he's commenting on it. I think that that's irresponsible.

1:19:08 But also, point of order about snakes is, like, who would ever choose to be represented by a snake?

1:19:13 Americans. Americans.

1:19:15 The Revolutionary War. The Join or Die flag. We were representing ourselves as a snake.

1:19:20 That's true.

1:19:21 Like, Benjamin Franklin conceptualized as, like, self-identified as snake, right? Like.

1:19:26 Yeah, and isn't a snake on the Gadsden flag that, like, they love so much?

1:19:30 But, like, I know you own a Gadsden flag, Harrison. Who would ever identify as a snake?

1:19:34 You? You? You? Yeah, but you can't work at InfoWars without being gifted one every single holiday. You probably have a pair.

1:19:42 Of Gadsden flag boxer shorts. Just look down, Harrison.

1:19:46 I'm certain. So even though he doesn't really know what he's covering, this is an important part of his presentation because it's the way that Harrison is able to portray his blatant anti-Semitic content and his promotion of an obvious piece of anti-Semitic propaganda is actually him being a support of Jewish people. He doesn't like what the head of the snake, which he presumably wants you to think he means Israel, is doing on behalf of Jewish people. This is the fig leaf that's supposed to hide his nudity and make what he's doing look anti-Israel or anti-Zionist in terms of content, when in fact, it's just bigot shit.

1:20:23 And he shouldn't, like, he shouldn't be allowed a free pass. I worry that people can be tricked by that.

1:20:30 At this point, dispense with the fig leaf. You're reading the protocols of the elders of Zion. Dispense with the fig leaf. Just embrace it. You're an anti-Semite. At this point, just be proud of it.

1:20:42 But see, this is that tension that I referenced at the beginning. I think that he, on some level, understands that it's his job to put out this anti-Semitic content that is meant to appeal to people who have opposition to Israel or opposition to Zionism. And they don't want to think of themselves as anti-Semitic. Because many of them aren't. So, like, when Harrison must present himself as, like, being oblivious or not committal about his own anti-Semitism in order to make that content appealing to people who aren't, but have these other.

1:21:19 Right, it's the Trojan horse, you know, the rhetorical Trojan horse, but it's like, this horse would only work on a blind person. I.

1:21:27 You know what? I definitely used to think that, and I'm not so sure anymore.

1:21:33 If you paint a swastika on the side of the horse, it's not secret.

1:21:36 Well, it's an old Hindu symbol or something. I don't know. So we finally get here in this next clip to the actual protocols. And so here we go.

1:21:49 So we begin with protocol number one. It begins by saying, putting aside fine phrases, we shall speak of the significance of each thought. By comparisons and deductions, we shall throw light. on the surrounding facts. What I'm about to set forth then is our system from two points of view, that of ourselves and the goyim, i.e.

1:22:06 non-Jews.

1:22:07 That's where that word first crops up. This is an important point, and this sort of undergirds, this underlies the entire philosophy of the document. It must be noted, they say, that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorization, not by academic discussions.

1:22:27 The modern word would be, of course, terrorism. And when you see things like this, again, you think, who would write this? Who would start their document? Who would start their political manifesto by basically saying, let's do terrorism? Yeah, it seems kind of crazy, but you hear their reasoning, you hear the why they believe this, and it turns out not to be so far-fetched. Again, we actually have seen many cases of people defending Israel in many cases and using this type of language. you'll start to see ideas from the Protocols reflected in things that you see in the news in everyday life.

1:23:06 So you do read this and you think, who would write this? The two answers that have the most credence are officials in the Okhrana, the Tsarist secret police, or a man named Pavel Khrushchev. He was an anti-Semitic journalist who published the Protocols in 1903, and some scholars believe he wrote them himself. As part of researching his book, Pogrom, Stanford University professor Stephen Zipperstein, he reviewed the original untranslated publication of the Protocols and found that particular regionally specific word endings connected the original document to Kishnev, where Khrushchev ran an anti-Semitic newspaper, and he played a major role in inciting a three-day riot that left at least 40 Jewish people dead and hundreds injured. it's exceedingly likely that

1:23:55 Khrushchev played a role in creating the protocols, mostly as anti-Semitic propaganda to be used to justify the campaign of violence that he and his cohorts were carrying out against the Jewish public. Khrushchev was part of an extremely pro-Tsarist reactionary group called the Black Hundreds, and the Jewish people were a constant target of their attacks, partially out of just good old-fashioned bigotry, but also because of the association between the Jewish people and the Bolsheviks, who the czarists felt posed the greatest threat to their hold on power.

1:24:27 But I guess it's pretty cool for Harrison to just report on all this stuff based on the vibes and feelings that he has while reading it. I guess that's okay. You made a face there.

1:24:40 That linguistic analysis is so interesting because, right, like Russia's so large and there are so many very specific dialects of the language that, yeah, a linguist probably could track this down to a pretty localized area. And if the guy who's saying he found it also publishes an anti-Semitic newspaper, I don't know.

1:24:58 I don't know.

1:24:59 I have questions, Harrison. I just was... unbidden into my mind unfortunately i just remembered i don't know if you've heard this story so in the 70s david duke wrote a book under a pseudonym i've been searching for if anybody has a copy of this i desperately would love to see it i can't find it anywhere he wrote a book under a pseudonym muhammad.

1:25:18 X and it was a romance please be a romance.

1:25:21 It was a manual for black militants right so he kind of did his own protocols right that this man who hates black people wrote a book pretending to be a black person saying very sensational, crazy things like, you know, we black militants, this is what we believe in what we do. And it was very sexual.

1:25:41 Oh, I take back my hopes that it is a romance.

1:25:45 No, there was a lot of like really grotesque sexual stuff in it. But it kind of reminds me of that, like the guy that writes the anti-Semitic newspaper. Yeah, of course he wrote it. This is David Duke writing the Black Militant Handbook.

1:25:57 Yeah, that kind of motivation makes total sense. And we've seen this historically when people do this. The propaganda is meant to justify the violence that you intend to carry out to begin with. Like the black militant guide that you're talking about that David Duke wrote is meant to be pointed at as like, of course we have to kill these people. That's what they're going to do to us.

1:26:20 Read the book.

1:26:21 Look what they're doing.

1:26:22 Yeah.

1:26:22 Yeah.

1:26:22 And that's what the protocols were.

1:26:24 I'm sure when David Duke wrote that book as Muhammad X, he was very aware that Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a hoax and that was what he was mimicking. So even David Duke knows this is fake, Harrison.

1:26:35 Yeah. Respectable, smart racists like David Duke would be ashamed of you, Harrison.

1:26:41 This is embarrassing. This is embarrassing.

1:26:43 Yeah. So it's impossible really for people to say for sure that it was him, but it's a pretty, a lot of people are pretty convinced that. That it's him or someone from that czarist secret police. And the motivations behind it and the provenance of it are the same, whether it's him or just another person.

1:27:04 I mean, that sounds like a lot of convincing evidence, but have you considered it just feels true because it confirms what you already believe? I.

1:27:13 You know what, I'm struggling with that. And so is my brave little boy, my brave, brave little boy with swords.

1:27:20 Time was, they say, when faith ruled. The idea of freedom is impossible of realization because nobody knows how to use it with moderation. It is enough to hand over to people to self-government for a certain time for that people to be turned into a disorganized mob. From that moment, we get internecine strife, which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which states burn down and their importance is reduced to that of a heap of ashes. Now, again, the interesting thing about this is that if this was truly published in the late 1800s, as I think it was, I mean, after all, you've got Henry Ford remarking it's been around for 16 years.

1:27:56 That was in the early 1900s.

1:27:58 Clearly, this document's been around for a while. That means it predates the Communist Revolution by like 20 years. Communist Revolution, you know, 1917-1920. in the middle, really, of the First World War, all of this stuff predates that. So it's interesting that all of this stuff seems to be presaging, pointing to a communist revolution that had not yet happened, but would basically follow this exact tack.

1:28:26 Checkmate.

1:28:28 He is a scholar.

1:28:30 We are doing big stuff here. This is big. He's connecting dots.

1:28:35 It's obviously from the 1800s because Henry Ford said it was 16 years old at some point in the 1900s.

1:28:40 1900s.

1:28:41 Right. And it magically predicted the communist revolution and therefore it's predicting what's going on now in 2026.

1:28:48 It's a prophecy if you think about it.

1:28:51 Yeah. So no one disputes that the protocols were written and published before the Russian revolution, but it's very dumb to pretend that they're predicted. In 1903, the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party reached an impasse that had been building over the previous few years. They had been in the major opposition to the Tsarist government, but there was a conflict between two factions in the movement. The more moderate Menshevik group favored a looser party membership structure, whereas the Bolshevik offshoot believed that the party should be smaller and a more professionally run organization. Both the Mensheviks and Bolsheviks were groups with Jewish individuals in their leadership, So the ancient trope that has been used to demonize Jewish people,

1:29:31 all of those things were really easy to apply to the RSDLP. The growing prominence of Vladimir Lenin and the Bolsheviks with his position that party leadership should be restricted to professional revolutionaries lent itself perfectly to ideas that a secretive cabal was making the decisions behind the scenes for some sort of a nefarious conspiracy. The Protocols were a useful tool for groups aligned with the Tsar to oppress, marginalize, and murder Jewish people who could often be associated with groups that were their major political rival. That was their use in the years between the initial publication in 1917 when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Tsar. In 2023, Daniel Shulman wrote a fantastic piece for Politico where he laid out

1:30:14 how a man named Boris Brassel was largely responsible for the Protocol's international spread, when he brought them with him to New York, where he was dispatched by the Tsar a year before the 1917 revolution. Brassel was a violent anti-Semite and a fellow member of the Black Hundreds group, with the guy who most likely wrote the Protocols to begin with, Pavel Khrushchev. After the revolution, he stayed in the United States and became a major advocate for the return of the monarchy in Russia. Shulman's Politico article cites a letter that Brassel wrote to an ally that said, quote, Hit those liberal-minded fellows as hard as possible. Sow dissension among them. Raise suspicion among the revolutionary elements. Whisper into

1:30:57 their ears every kind of nonsense which might result in disillusion and disintegration of their forces. Smash their organizations. Expose their Jewish nature and everything will be all right. Rassel became an advisor to the U.S. War Trade Board in the Military Intelligence Division in where he spread anti-Semitic propaganda to very influential people, using the protocols to explain how communism is a conspiratorial Jewish plot. He was widely responsible for creating propaganda that tried to make Bolshevism and Jews synonymous, and he was instrumental in Henry Ford's anti-Semitic publications in the Dearborn Independent. The debunking of protocols, you know, what Harrison brought up with Alan Dulles, That didn't pop up

1:31:41 until 1920, because up till that point, it was a pretty obscure piece of anti-Semitic propaganda. It didn't grow to broader prominence until after 1917, when it became a useful thing for the groups that were loyal to the Tsar, who found sympathetic ears in bigots and powerful Americans who were scared about the rise of communism. And that's how this all happened, Harrison, you dumb dick.

1:32:07 It never occurred to me. This is the origin of Judeo-Bolshevism. But, like, I still see that all the time now. People talking about, like, communism being a Jewish conspiracy. That's just this.

1:32:20 It's, yeah, I don't know if it's all just this, but this is a huge part of where those things are built from.

1:32:27 But, like, injecting that into the American discourse at that particular point in time was very catching, and it's stuck there.

1:32:35 Yeah.

1:32:35 Yep. And like I said, that Politico article, Daniel Schulman's article, like it's kind of shocking how transparent a lot of this guy's activities are and how easy they are to trace two things. I recommend people check that out. It's pretty eye-opening in terms of the bummer.

1:32:54 Harrison's making some great points here. I mean, he's right. 1917 was the first time anybody thought about class struggle. So this is obviously a prediction.

1:33:01 Yep. Yep.

1:33:04 They just woke up one day and they had class struggle and it was new.

1:33:07 And at that point, this document just becomes like, you look back and it's like, oh my God, it called everything. It called everything. I think one of the things that we come to is that it does get a little repetitive for us in the sense of like, this is embarrassing for him. But I don't mind kicking him over and over again about it being embarrassing.

1:33:29 It's okay to kick him while he's down because he got down there on purpose.

1:33:33 He's wallowing in the mud, so I don't feel guilty about him being dirty.

1:33:37 I do also enjoy that he seems to be having trouble sight reading. Like he's really struggling with the words. And maybe I just practice. Practice makes perfect. You know, practice off mic, just reading the text.

1:33:53 Sound it out.

1:33:54 It's not a live show, is it? Like you can take a second pass.

1:33:58 You know what? I don't know if it's a live show, but it's definitely a show where it's like, get it done. Who gives a shit? You know, like, I don't think there's a lot of quality control or oversight that's happening.

1:34:08 If you see a word you don't know, you can look it up. There are YouTube channels where people will pronounce the words for you.

1:34:14 If the show is one hour, it's going to take one hour of human labor to make that fucking show. Harrison's recording it himself and not cutting.

1:34:23 I just have some pointers for him. I read a script every week for my show, and sometimes you've got to take a run at a line again.

1:34:32 It's true.

1:34:32 I'm not seeing that here. I'm not seeing the effort.

1:34:35 No, there is none. There is none. But at the beginning, we clearly had this image that Harrison was giving us, which is this protocols are maybe they're real, maybe they're not. Who knows? Who knows? And by this point, Like, he's not talked very much about the actual text itself, but he clearly is now acting like they're real.

1:34:59 Sure, they can pull off one communist revolution, but then they sort of show their hands and then people learn, you know, what they're up to and then they have to change tactics. So, you know, what they're talking about here is written for a time and a place. Since then, if these, you know, protocols are still active, which I believe they are, they would have been updated and upgraded and, You know, you'll hear again some of the archaic language here.

1:35:23 They've updated it for a modern audience, let's say, to use modern technology to make the most out of their intentions.

1:35:32 That's clear. Like, he's clearly saying they're real.

1:35:36 He's saying if they're active, and I believe they are. Yeah. Yeah. He's saying there's no more doubt now. That doubt is gone.

1:35:43 It's really weird.

1:35:45 He's not presenting this in a way that is consistent with a man who five minutes ago said it could go either way. It could not go either way if they're real. Cause you just said they're real.

1:35:54 Right. It's like, you know, kayfabe in pro wrestling. You're playing your character and you got to stick to that character or else the storyline is not going to work. Like there was a guy in wrestling named IRS, Erwin R. Scheister. He was a tax guy and obviously a villain cause he's a tax guy. And, uh, it would be silly if he came out as this tax guy and then the crowd booed him. And he was like, I don't really care. I don't care. It's cool. It's cool. I'm an actor. I'm playing a character. Like Harrison can't keep his own character straight. Like he's supposed to maintain this illusion that it could be real, could be fake, but it's true. Like emotionally. And he's already given that up.

1:36:36 He's just bailed. It's sad.

1:36:38 And you have to, Pick one. You have to pick one. You're either riding the fence, you know, like Trojan horsing this, or you're proud of it. But you can't do both because then you're just kind of stupid and cowardly.

1:36:50 Yeah. And I think that that's the tension that makes him interesting is that he wants to be more, but he's not. And no one would ever employ him to be more than this stupid Trojan horsey kind of idiot. And I think he resents that. And I would, too, because it looks dumb. So he's also a scholar. Harrison's also a scholar. Absolutely. This clip made me laugh a bit.

1:37:19 They say whether a state exhaust itself in its own convulsions, whether its internal discord brings it under the power of external foes. In any case, it can be accounted irretrievably lost. It is in our power. The despotism of capital, which is entirely in our hands, reaches out. to it a straw that the state, willy-nilly, must take hold of. If not, it goes to the bottom. Again, the translation's a little odd.

1:37:43 The language is a little bit odd. I don't think they mean willy-nilly here. I think the correct translation would be something like out of desperation.

1:37:49 Okay. All right, Beth.

1:37:51 But I thought this was the best translation. This is the best one.

1:37:55 On what grounds could he possibly be saying this is not the word that they meant? Does he speak Russian?

1:38:04 I don't think they chose willy-nilly, just willy-nilly.

1:38:07 Of course not. Like, I think it's really interesting when you are someone who reads things in foreign languages and reads different translations. There are translation notes, you know, like of this, I believe, is the best word that could be used at this place. There isn't a perfect equivalent in English. And Harrison's trying to pretend he's done that because willy nilly is embarrassing. The word willy nilly being in there is like, oops, didn't check that in advance.

1:38:35 And if I were in Harrison's shoes, if I were arguing that maybe that's not the word that goes there. I would back that up by saying here's two other translations and the way they have translated it and try to bridge the gap between the differences between them.

1:38:47 Right.

1:38:47 He's just saying, I just don't think that's right. Based on what? Did you check the Russian?

1:38:51 It's embarrassing that I was cold reading this and it said willy-nilly. This is supposed to be something we're taking seriously and that's a fucking silly word. That's what's going on. I love it.

1:39:00 He is on paragraph eight.

1:39:03 Yeah, and I don't know if we're going to get into double digits. What?

1:39:08 So we haven't even gotten to any of the protocols. This is the introduction.

1:39:12 I think this is protocol one.

1:39:13 Oh, this is protocol one.

1:39:14 Yeah.

1:39:14 Basic doctrine.

1:39:16 Yeah, we're in a couple paragraphs of protocol one. And he's showing off his linguistic chops, and I respect that.

1:39:25 I don't think he can read.

1:39:27 I worry about it, too. So here Harrison gets into arguing this whole plot. to take over states is very real and it is articulated in the text.

1:39:41 Because what it's saying is that you infect people with ideas of liberalism. In other words, you go to the people through the media, through, you know, direct, uh, approachment to the people themselves. You don't go through the power structures, but you say to the people, the government basically is withholding freedoms from you. The government is oppressing you. The government is treating you badly. You need to demand more rights.

1:40:01 You need to demand something more. the government, out of fear of not giving in, ends up giving in, loosening.

1:40:08 Its power just a little bit.

1:40:10 You repeat that over and over, the people see, hey, we can get concessions, let's make more demands, more demands are made, more concessions are made. If they try to push back, it becomes violent. Basically, one way or another, this feedback loop ends with the collapse of the state, and the only way the state can survive this bankruptcy is by getting money from the money lenders who are entirely of the elders of Zion. So, I don't know if we need to go through the whole history, but long story short, this basically centers around the Rothschild family in particular, but other major Jewish banking families. But the Rothschilds in particular, the father, the patriarch of the Rothschild family sent his five sons to the five capitals of Europe.

1:40:51 They developed this system of banking where they have incredibly sophisticated intelligence networks, communication networks. that gives them the upper hand over governments. They're able to lend vast amounts of money to governments using the fractional reserve system that they came up with. And basically over a century or so, they insinuate their way into the highest halls of power in every country in Europe. And the ultimate sort of conclusion of that is with the Battle of Waterloo and Nathaniel Rothschild buying up the British markets, et cetera, et cetera.

1:41:21 Et cetera, et cetera. We're just going to yada yada that one.

1:41:27 I mean, you can't have an episode of any show about an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory if you don't say Rothschild at least once. If you don't say it at least once, they'll pull your shell.

1:41:38 Right, right. You get your card and your license taken away.

1:41:41 The ghost of Ravillo P. Oliver comes to your house and torments you.

1:41:45 It's also very, very important to say long story short whenever you're doing that. Yeah, make sure you're just kind of like, you know what?

1:41:52 You know, Alan Dulles, Treaty of Versailles, etc.

1:41:55 Yeah. You catch the vibe. You know it. Who cares? Waterloo.

1:41:59 You know, fractional interests.

1:42:03 So, long story short, that story's not true about Nathaniel Rothschild. That was just a piece of Nazi propaganda that got really popular. It traces back to a pamphlet that was circulated in 1846 by a man named Matthew George D'Arnville, who used the pen name Satan. The Battle of Waterloo happened in 1815, and there's no telling of this story before 1846, and Darnvel was a well-known public anti-Semite pamphleteer.

1:42:32 That tracks. Also, the Rothschilds did not invent fractional reserve banking, nor did they start the first central banks. Harrison's just hitting buzzwords that he thinks will make him sound like he looked into any of this shit. And part of the reason that this works on some people is that he's speaking to a real issue. which is that the banking system is fucked, and historically, a lot of international lending has been used as leverage to serve the interests of colonial powers over native populations and people who live in the actual states. There's a real dynamic here, but Harrison is able to uphold the system that benefits from that problem by pretending that it's a big Jewish conspiracy.

1:43:10 So he's kind of working against what he's pretending is his actual goal.

1:43:17 There's no critique of capitalism. It is just anti-Semitism.

1:43:21 Yeah. Yeah. Because it stops just short of getting a point, you know?

1:43:27 If the Jews weren't doing it, it wouldn't be so bad.

1:43:30 Yeah. And I think that that is something that accidentally happens repeatedly through Harrison when he's cold reading. There are points where he's like, hold on a second. This is what us white guys should be doing.

1:43:44 I should be doing the protocols.

1:43:46 Yeah. So Harrison continues to fumble inaccurately around this.

1:43:52 Already by the late 1800s, money itself, the entire market, the entire economic world was already in the hands of these agents, you know, weaponizing this plan. And this crops up over and over again, that once you get your hands on that, everything else falls into place. The classic phrase from the Rothschilds, or at least credited to the Rothschilds is, you know, give me control of the monetary system and I care not who writes the laws.

1:44:19 Classic quote.

1:44:20 That's attributed to Mayor Rothschild, but there's no source, no evidence he ever said it. And it didn't appear until 100 years after he had died.

1:44:28 As all real quotes do.

1:44:30 Yeah, I think, you know, there's telltale signs of something being a fake quote that was used in propaganda. But hey, I'm not here to defend anything, but I do love the fake quotes of it all. Like, that's my favorite thing about this branch of media. Like, everything is fake.

1:44:50 There's always a fake quote. Like, Abraham Lincoln didn't say that. The Rothschilds didn't say that. Voltaire didn't say that. But they love it. They can't help it.

1:44:58 I know the fake Voltaire quote about who you can't criticize, that one. But I worry that his other quote that I love to say is also fake. I'm not sure. I can't remember. Though I may not agree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

1:45:13 That one could be real.

1:45:13 I don't know. I used to say that sarcastically to people drunk at parties.

1:45:19 And you know what? I won't defend your right to say it.

1:45:21 I won't.

1:45:21 No.

1:45:21 Nope.

1:45:22 Not my job.

1:45:22 I don't believe in that shit. Whether Voltaire said that or not, it's wrong. I won't do it.

1:45:28 Yeah. So Harrison is just like off base. He's, this is all just not. He's out of his depth. Yeah. And again, it's just like cold reading that he's doing.

1:45:41 They say, should anyone of a liberal mind say that such reflections as above are immoral, I would put the following questions. If every state has two foes, and if in regard to the external foe it is allowed and not considered immoral to use every manner of art of conflict, as, for example, to keep my enemy in ignorance of plans of attack and defense, to attack him by night or in superior numbers, then in what way can the same means in regard to a worse foe, the destroyer of the structure of society and the commonwealth, be called immoral and not permissible. So again, that's the fascinating thing about this document is it's kind of convincing in certain parts, right?

1:46:22 That's a good argument.

1:46:25 I don't know. I don't know if it's a good argument. I feel like liberty and all that stuff is something he's supposed to care a lot about. The Bill of Rights, I don't know.

1:46:36 Yeah, anything that you can do in a war, you should be able to do to anybody. That's a crazy argument.

1:46:42 You should be able to do that to citizens because if they get out of line, that's a much bigger threat than, like, a foreign enemy. Right?

1:46:50 Think about it. It is great that, like, he didn't know the word commonweal, so he just said commonwealth. Commonweal's a different word.

1:47:00 I didn't even catch that because I think I was just so distracted by him, like, agreeing with the text. Surprising himself.

1:47:09 I put up the one he's reading so I can follow along, and the boy can't read.

1:47:13 Hmm.

1:47:15 Hey, now.

1:47:16 He changed several words. He only had to read a few sentences, and he's just changing the words he doesn't know.

1:47:22 If I could come to his defense, neither could Alex.

1:47:28 That's true, and it worked for him. It worked for him.

1:47:30 Yeah, I think there's a lot of bombast and alcohol that helped Alex, and Harrison should hit the bottle. That's my big piece of advice for him as a media critic.

1:47:40 Honestly, I think it would loosen him up a little bit, because a big part of the stiffness of the way he's reading is because he's so nervous.

1:47:47 I think that is a piece of it. I worry that he'd be, like, a real bad kind of drunk, though. Like, Alex wants people to love him, and I think Harrison, if he got really drunk, would know that no one does. And so, like, he'd just be kind of bitter and, like, as a drunk, as opposed to, like, throwing things and trying to get people to let him suplex them and stuff.

1:48:11 He should just give it a shot. I mean, if he has to do this show, what, every week, every day? How often is this on?

1:48:17 I can't imagine that there's a lot of demand. So, like, I don't know. I think he could probably do it whenever he wants. Give it a shot. That's my guess. So he's doing some more cold reading, and he reads something that just blows his damn mind.

1:48:34 And if we skip down... Past number 11, we come to one of their, they have these sort of capitalized title segments that are extremely illuminating. And this one, again, forms a central thesis of this entire document. Right is might. They say, our right lies in force. The word right is an abstract thought and proved by nothing. The word means no more than give me what I want in order that I thereby may have proof that I'm stronger than you. This is one of these quotes that has been rattling around in my head for the last two months, once I reread this document a couple months ago. Our right lies in force. The word right is an abstract thought improved by nothing. The word means no more than give me what I want in order that thereby I

1:49:27 may have proof that I am stronger than you. And when you look around the world today, it's clear that that there is political legitimacy to this claim, that you get to do what you get to do.

1:49:45 You can do what you can do. And that's just how it is.

1:49:51 Funny to listen to this because Harrison has to pretend that shit is so deep. But in the moment, while he's trying to riff on this passage, all he can come up with is muttering, you get to do what you get to do.

1:50:01 Yeah.

1:50:02 What are you going to do if you get to do what you get to do? Yeah.

1:50:05 Que sera, sera, Harrison.

1:50:07 This is like a guy who's bluffing a junior high political science kind of report. Like, it's trash.

1:50:15 Right, like, he didn't know it was presentation day.

1:50:17 Yeah, yeah. He slept in. He was getting drunk and whining the night before or something.

1:50:25 The funny thing is, I think if you... presented him many of these same ideas and told him someone else wrote it from a different perspective with a different enemy in mind, he might agree with a lot of it.

1:50:37 That's what's happening to him as he's cold reading it. He's realizing that.

1:50:41 He's like, damn, some of this shit kind of rocks if I was doing it.

1:50:45 Yeah, yeah.

1:50:47 If Hitler wrote this, I would love it.

1:50:49 It's a fascinating dynamic that I think he knows that he has to stop short of being like, yeah, this is what I'd like to do. But it's so transparent in his, like, he doesn't have good mastery of that. Like, when Alex would be talking about Rex 84 and, like, that kind of shit about, you know, government plans to make camps to put communists and leftists in, like, he would be able to disguise his desire for that to come to pass.

1:51:18 It got harder for him over time.

1:51:20 Yes, that's true. But in the point where his career was made, Alex was really good. about being able to, like, not give up the game that, like, I actually kind of like this plan. This is cool. Harrison cannot do that. It's all over his face.

1:51:34 Like, vintage Alex was very convincing when he was saying, I don't think the government should have the power to do these things. And maybe he believed that then, but he doesn't now. And Harrison doesn't?

1:51:43 No, certainly not. What he expresses and the way that he's engaging with this text in particular, like, it's impossible to square that with his supposed interest in like freedom for people.

1:51:57 He loves liberty, for sure.

1:51:58 Yeah, it's going to be destroyed by the end of this. That's for sure. So Harrison's talking about this, like, might is right thing. And he applies this to a current event.

1:52:12 Everybody in the world knows that it's wrong that Israel is carpet bombing cities in Lebanon right now.

1:52:19 Everybody knows. Nobody wants it to happen. Obviously, people in Lebanon are being murdered.

1:52:24 Every person of conscience in the Western world knows that they have no excuse to do it, no right to do it.

1:52:29 But they have the ability to do it. They have the.

1:52:31 Power to do it. They're going to do it. If you don't stop them, it's allowed. That's essentially how this works. And you can see that that is basically the mindset. And it almost puts the burden of the act itself on the victim. It basically says, you're letting me do this, therefore I can do it. You can't stop me. Therefore, I'm allowed to kill you. I'm allowed to attack you.

1:53:00 At this point, Harrison appears to be operating with the reading comprehension skills of like a fourth grader. He gets that there is a connection between a current event and something that he's reading, but he's just not able to get there in terms of figuring out what this connection is. You could look at this passage from the protocols and say that Israel bombing Lebanon is an instance where they have no right to do that, but can get away with it. But what does that mean? Does that actually prove anything or even actually get you any closer to proving anything? Or does it speak to this text at all?

1:53:33 And I think if you ask those questions, it does not.

1:53:36 It sounds more like he's thinking through the idea that maybe I can get away with more things. The way he's talking about this makes me never want to be alone in a room with him.

1:53:47 I think, yeah, before and after this video, you should be careful. But you know what? I love that thought that you have because there is something infantile about Harrison. You know, there is something immature and young about him. And so that image of him realizing like, oh, maybe I can get away with more things. It feels like an adolescent.

1:54:09 Is he like 22? How old is he? He sounds like he's like 22.

1:54:13 I bet he's at least in his 30s. Probably late 30s. I think a lot of these dudes are older than they maybe come off. He seems very young, but I think it's because he's dumb. But I don't know.

1:54:25 It's because he can't quite read.

1:54:27 Yeah. So this video is just Harrison pretending that he's having an academic discourse about a very well-researched piece of anti-Semitic propaganda. So by default, his entire premise is about creating plausible justification for a viewer to not think that it's a hoax. Because he seems to be entirely unaware of a ton of scholarship and research on the subject, and he's pretending to be discussing this academically, the only real conclusion you can come to is that he's aware of all of the information about the protocols and how it's fake, and he's willfully ignoring all of that in order to cover it this way. So he can make an emotional connection that you'd have about, like, Israel bombing Lebanon,

1:55:06 and it being predicted by this text. This text explains everything. The emotional vibe is all he's interested in building.

1:55:15 It's so... disheartening, nauseating to me. It's profoundly upsetting to me that there is this sort of subset of virulent anti-Semites in America who have, in the last few years, really seized on legitimate criticism of Israel. Legitimate criticism of Israel has become more popular in American discourse throughout this genocide, and they are finding very convenient ways to glom onto that to talk about things that they weren't allowed to say before. And it is very discouraging to me.

1:55:52 Yeah. And it is discouraging to see the lack of discipline that I think a lot of people who are on social media and some commentators have about being incredulous about these people. Like, they are not your ally. Even if it appears that they are criticizing Israel, that's not what they're doing. There's something behind this that you really don't want to get involved with.

1:56:19 Because at the end of the day, these American neo-Nazis that you are trying to find common cause with because you were both criticizing the genocide in Gaza, he doesn't care about those Palestinian children. And when this stops being useful for him, he hopes those kids die too.

1:56:34 And you.

1:56:36 And you.

1:56:37 Yes.

1:56:38 They're not part of the coalition. You don't need to hear them out. They're not, it's not useful to amplify that voice because it is a valid criticism of Israel. It's really disheartening.

1:56:46 At any point that it is a valid criticism, it is also not, and it is not useful. There's someone else who isn't like a huge piece of shit who will be saying the similar or exact same thing. And everyone's time is much better used there. But like, I think the issue that it comes down to is that what you said, like it's this discourse is a lot more open and popular now. And these kind of shitheads like Harrison or anybody in that media, they gravitate towards whatever is the thing that is going to be the most emotionally charged and most popular in gathering attention. And so that's what I'm seeing as I come back to this work after a little time away is This is the second episode that we've done, and both have had

1:57:36 a bit to do about anti-Semitism. And, like, I don't want that to be, like, the sole topic that we always talk about on the show.

1:57:45 But that's where these guys are going.

1:57:46 It's pretty clear to me. Yeah. It's a preoccupation.

1:57:49 That's the move for them. But I just want to be very clear that Israel bombing Lebanon is wrong. He is right that that is wrong, but that's not why he brought it up, because he does not care about people in Lebanon.

1:58:02 Right. And why is the connection to the text? Like, even if you are, correct in saying that it's wrong for them to bomb Lebanon, what does that have to do with the might is right section in this anti-Semitic hoax.

1:58:18 It's just this particular rhetorical move that these guys are finding is very useful for them is bringing up an Israeli war crime to sort of lure you into hearing him out about the Jews. And you don't, you don't gotta do it.

1:58:32 No.

1:58:32 And I think that it's particularly dangerous and ascendant. And I think that's why I, you know, chose to do this episode when it would be something that I mean, Harrison Smith's a dipshit, and he's talking about something that everyone knows is a fake. But the point of it and the reason that he's doing it is important, I guess.

1:58:53 And I think you are very meticulous as a media critic. And I think talking about this anti-Semitic term by these far-right media creators is important. And as nasty as it's going to get, I think, for you in your work, I think this media criticism is very important because I do see people... hearing this out further than they should.

1:59:14 Yeah, yeah. And if I'm to believe what I'm hearing from people about, you know, Harrison popping up more in algorithmically driven things, I worry about the number of people who could be humoring things a little more than they should. So yeah, it's a bummer, and I hope for the best, but... So here's some more Harrison being stupid. Okay.

1:59:38 It goes on.

1:59:39 They say.

1:59:40 There's another one that it's like this was written in the late 1800s. I could see how they maybe were writing this thinking that what they're prophesying would come to fruition within a generation. I could see them thinking that by the communist revolutions of the early 1910s or mid-1910s that this would be enacted. But in fact, it's taken until about 2026, but we're now seeing this process take place.

2:00:03 They say, our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invincible than any other because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can undermine it. And I think this is the process that we're seeing a lot now out of Israel and out of the Jewish diaspora here in America, people like Jonathan Greenblatt for years.

2:00:30 running the Anti-Defamation League, it was the Anti-Defamation League. And they would talk about how, you know, we fight against hate, we fight against defamation, and we just want to protect minority populations of all stripes. Well, since the attack on Gaza, since the massacre of the innocents and the genocide there, and the corresponding, you know, consequential rise in anti-Semitism because of Israel's actions. Jonathan Greenblatt has since come out and said, look, the ADL isn't here.

2:01:00 To stop all hate. We're here to protect the Jews and we're here to benefit the Jews.

2:01:06 Just to really focus in on this, it's important to remember that Harrison's pretending to be doing an academic exploration here. And he's trying to cultivate the perception that he's a media figure who's unfairly called anti-Semitic because he dares to criticize Israel. But as you see here, clearly he's not talking about Israel. He's talking about the Jewish diaspora.

2:01:27 He's talking about, like, Israeli sleeper agents.

2:01:31 Yeah. Like, what are you talking about? His actions as he carries them out. It's very clear that he's an overt example of someone who's trying to Trojan horse anti-Semitism into the public conversation by pretending that it's criticism of Israel or of Zionism. And it's critical not to fall for that. Because if you care about the issues that, you know, people talk about when they're criticizing Israel and Zionism, you are not going to further any of your interests by listening to someone like Harrison talking about the protocols.

2:02:04 It's a dead end.

2:02:05 Yikes, brother.

2:02:08 Also, I don't know if he knows what the ADL is. It's weird.

2:02:11 Yeah, that's... I mean, the ADL is a big boogeyman for guys like him.

2:02:15 And I.

2:02:17 Truth be told, in recent years, they have really kind of shown their ass, and I wouldn't recommend them as a valuable resource for anything anymore. But the way that people like Harrison have always talked about the ADL, it is. It's a big, scary boogeyman for them.

2:02:31 Yeah. It's always been, like, Jewish in nature. Always.

2:02:36 Like, from its founding.

2:02:37 Yeah. Yeah.

2:02:38 It exists to counter anti-Semitism. That's in the charter.

2:02:43 Yeah.

2:02:43 Defamation against Jewish people.

2:02:45 Right. Like, it's... It's not like the SPLC.

2:02:48 Right. And I think that Harrison conflates these in his head to imagine that, like, it's a recent shift.

2:02:54 No, they were always pretty clear about that.

2:02:55 Yeah. I think that also is belying his, like, just doesn't have a good handle on some of the material that he's covering.

2:03:03 It's disingenuous.

2:03:05 So, of course, naturally, we have to get to some white persecution issues. fears. And so that's where we get the.

2:03:12 Worst kind of racism and the most endemic and the realist.

2:03:16 Yeah, that I think is part of what has shifted in the understanding of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In other words, in the 1800s, when this was written, the European people were still for the most part, almost entirely actually under the rule of monarchs and an aristocracy. And the idea was The aristocracy, the monarchy, they lead the people, and without them, the people will just devolve into madness, mobs, chaos, violence, and insanity. The truth is that hasn't happened. The truth is that certainly with European people, they can rule themselves. They can handle themselves. They don't actually need a tyrant above them forcing them to do the right thing. Now, that might be true for other

2:03:56 population groups. I could see how you could live in the Middle East, and you could think, man, if there's not an iron-fisted ruler here, everybody just starts killing each other. Yeah, in certain places in the world, that's absolutely true. That's not true in Europe. So I think that they sort of expected that to happen when they overthrew the monarchs, which they absolutely did. Nathaniel Rothschild basically takes over the British economy in the early 1800s, 100 years later. You've got to think about these things in generations or in centuries.

2:04:28 Really.

2:04:29 And things often happen in 20-year increments or 100-year increments. Well, in this case, the 100-year increment was from the takeover of the British economy by Nathaniel Rothschild following the Battle of Waterloo 100 years later. You've got World War I, at the end of which only the British monarchy stands in Europe. The Austrian-Hungarian Empire falls. The German monarchy abdicates. Obviously, the Communist Revolution overthrows the Tsar in Russia. This was the fulfillment of basically a central plan. And they expected basically for Europe to fall to chaos and misery and for them to be able to basically do what they did in Russia throughout all of Europe. And I think they learned that the goyim of Europe aren't exactly the

2:05:14 beasts of the field that they're portrayed as. And so they've decided they just need to be killed. I think previously, like under the protocols of the elders of Zion, they thought that they could more or less take over Europe. And the thing that has changed in the last 100 years is they've realized that there's no controlling Europe through deceit or force. And so they have just decided to genocide the European people, replace them with Muslims, and then do the operation of them.

2:05:40 That's my assumption of all of this.

2:05:43 I feel like he should have started with this. I don't know why he pretended like we're going to do like, oh, maybe it's real, maybe it's not. What are you doing, dude?

2:05:52 White genocide.

2:05:54 Come on.

2:05:55 Okay. Yeah, I don't know if it's, you know, we're just going to read the text. We're going to talk about the history. White genocide.

2:06:01 Isn't it weird that this feels like it's cool now? Also, hey, I have a feeling that this conspiracy, actually, they just want to kill us now. This document, it reveals the old plan, which was they wanted to destroy and conquer white Christendom.

2:06:21 I mean, history happens in 100-year increments, okay? And it's been 100 years since the last increment, so it's time for a new increment.

2:06:28 We are incremental. Does time not move forward? Can't argue with that.

2:06:34 I think he is arguing with that because he's reading this text from 1903 that is from 1897.

2:06:39 Well, that's true.

2:06:40 And he keeps saying when it was written in the 1800s and the 1800s. I mean, even if it is from 1897, the 1800s is, I mean, it was almost over. He's trying to make it sound even older.

2:06:50 Right, like the 80s went into the 90s, you know what I'm saying? That's the same kind of thing.

2:06:56 Wow, we got right to white genocide, isn't it? And white people, we don't need a tyrant. We don't need a tyrant, but now there's all these people who aren't white, so maybe we should get a tyrant.

2:07:06 Makes you think, kinda.

2:07:08 Really makes you think that this guy might be dumb as a box of rocks.

2:07:13 At the start, Harrison lied to us when he said that he first read the protocol's and he thought that they were a bit out there, but now world events have made him reassess that. In truth, he's always believed they were real. The only change he's had in perspective is thinking that the Jewish boogeyman he's afraid of were going to enslave white people to now thinking that they're going to commit white genocide. There's no actual difference in how he's engaging with the text, it's just that his fantasies have shifted and gotten more extreme. I can understand why.

2:07:44 The conspiracy entertainment racket is way more competitive and filled with way more desperate creeps than a couple decades ago, but Harrison just feels like such a dweeb. His positions are so obvious, and the way he's trying to present them is slightly more respectable so he can keep some plausible deniability is really see-through. The only conclusion I can come to watching stuff like this is that Harrison must have horrible self-esteem. It's so clear that he wants to just be a Nazi, but he doesn't have the balls to do it, and I suspect the reason is that he knows he's not good enough to survive in that cutthroat media space. He's the kind of racist broadcaster who has warning track power, but just doesn't have what it

2:08:26 takes to hit a home run, and that ends up making him never really swing for the fences and seeing what he's got. Like, it seems like someone who's doing check swings because he's afraid that he'll never be good enough. Real quick, though. England wasn't the last remaining monarchy in Europe after World War I, which they also weren't at that point. Like, in the present day, there are 12 monarchies that are still recognized just in Europe.

2:08:50 Spain has a king. I saw him at the World Cup.

2:08:52 Yeah, it's important to understand that not only is Harrison a dorky, self-limiting racist, he's also just talking out of his ass.

2:09:00 And didn't, like, the king of, what, like, Norway or something? Some king just died, right? Like, there's still a bunch of kings.

2:09:06 Alex would always talk about Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and stuff. Sure. Come on, man. So, I feel sad, but also all of it is just not right. He's wrong about things.

2:09:19 And just, it's insulting to me that he's not trying at least a little bit harder. Like, if you're going to lie to me, put your back into it.

2:09:28 Well, I mean, I agree with you, and I would prefer that. But we really have to assess what it means to try. And I think that when you have a methodology to what you do, and you have a standard that you keep yourself to, you kind of imagine that other people do too. But Harrison, in this next clip, he describes some of his research behaviors. And I think he is trying as hard as he care.

2:09:59 So again, we see here that there is a sort of birthright aristocracy being developed amongst the people of Zion that we see in evidence today, the dynasties that we see at work in our political world. It is actually shocking. If you go look into it, I always like to, I like to call it a game of Wikipedia hopscotch.

2:10:20 Just go find a name of, you know, a good person to start with is like Victoria Newland, right? The woman who basically started the Ukraine war. And just go click around, do a little hopscotch. Start with her name, find out who she's married to. Find out who he's the son of. Find out who their cousin is. And it turns out, it's a big family affair. The connections that you'll make are shocking and informative. Things like the fact that Anthony Blinken, the former Secretary of State for America, his stepdad was Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer.

2:10:51 Isn't that a coincidence?

2:10:54 Flip is a tragic self-own because Harrison is doing, like, what he's doing is explaining bad thinking. Like, he's just explicitly describing what it means to make connections between things that may or may not be connected. He shouldn't speak into a hot mic. This is embarrassing.

2:11:13 Wikipedia hopscotch. Checkmate, liberals.

2:11:17 Isn't that what, like, you would do when you're, like, stoned to be like, I'm going to click this link and find a rabbit hole? Like, that's not research. That's something stone people do to blow their own minds.

2:11:30 Sometimes you can start there, but you've got to do a little bit more research to see how, whether or not these connections are just tangential.

2:11:39 Exactly. That's the key to step. If you're going to incorporate this into your process, you need to tell me what these connections mean.

2:11:48 Don't tell me you just clicked.

2:11:50 Yeah. What does it mean that Anthony Blinken's stepdad has a connection to Epstein? What have you illustrated about Blinken by making a surface level connection between him and someone who's associated with Epstein? It's not enough just to be like, ah, ah, ah. And that's what Harrison's saying he likes to do. That's cool.

2:12:09 And sometimes these surface level connections do indicate some deeper meaning, but you have to find it and tell it to me.

2:12:17 You can't take for granted that it is what you want it to be immediately.

2:12:21 Like a bunch of Supreme Court justices went to the same like boarding school for high school. That's an interesting fact. Tell me what that means.

2:12:29 Right. Like, I think that the baseline of the critique is that people in affluent circles often end up connected to each other. And that has a self-reinforcing way that entrenches people. Like, it's basically saying that well-connected people, their kids are well-connected. And it's like, no shit. Like, yeah, that's true. But what? What does it mean? Like beyond that, what does it mean? Like popular kids have more friends. Yeah.

2:12:58 Don't shit. I don't. What do we do?

2:13:00 A lot of these connections he's making would require a critique of capital.

2:13:05 Oh, that's a problem.

2:13:06 Yeah. And he's never going to do that.

2:13:08 Yeah. I think that that is where his refusal to swing for the fences comes from. He has to check his swing because if he doesn't, he's going to accidentally criticize the underpinnings of his own worldview. And he can't do that. The thought process that someone like Harrison promotes is to pretend that Wikipedia jumping connections are the same as meaningful connections because one of them is really easy and he doesn't really have it in him to do much more. That's the sense that I get. Right.

2:13:40 Like, even if I... Sometimes you can start on Wikipedia and then look at what the footnotes connect to and then check out those sources and then read some primary sources. I'm not saying you can never look at Wikipedia, but if what you're bringing to me is that I looked at Wikipedia, I know that's all you did. I know that's all you did.

2:13:56 And it also... It reveals a kind of lack of curiosity, because what you're talking about is using this as, like, a raw material jump-off point. Find... Then... reading a bunch of other things that aren't wikipedia whereas harrison is just like clicking links until he sees one that's purple if.

2:14:16 You're telling me you hopscotched your way through yeah i know.

2:14:20 You didn't do more than that so we're only on protocol one right.

2:14:25 Like we have not gotten through number one no.

2:14:28 And it's because a lot of this ends up just being rambly nonsense.

2:14:33 They say, behold, the alcoholic animals bemused with drink, the right to an immoderate use of which comes along with freedom. It is not for us and ours to walk that road. The peoples of the goyim are bemused with alcoholic liquors. Their youth has grown stupid on the classicism and from early immorality. into which it has been inducted by our special agents, tutors, lackeys, governesses in the houses of the wealthy, by clerks and others, by our women in the places of dissipation frequented by the goyim. And the number of these, I count the so-called society ladies, voluntary followers of others in corruption and luxury. This is where I love the sort of anarchic or archaic wording and language.

2:15:15 Anarchic? Because the.

2:15:17 you understand the ideas it's expressing, right? We don't have governesses in the houses of the wealthy. Most of our children are not educated by tutors anymore, but you understand the idea that by seizing control of early education or by basically insinuating yourself into the highest levels of society and then perverting the people around you, you can weaken the the goyim, you can weaken other people to a state that they'll be easy to take over and control.

2:15:51 And this is one of the things that while it's like true, you know, it's immoral. It's not actually that complicated, but like, I feel like it needs elucidation. Like, why would you want other people to be amused with drink? Why would you want other people to be alcoholics? It is a sign of weakness to want other people to be weak, right? If you're strong, you want other people to be strong. That's physical strength, mental strength, spiritual strength, whatever it is. If you're smart, you don't want to be around a bunch of dumb people. If you're dumb, you do want to be around. You don't want to be around smart people. You don't want to be around strong people if you're weak.

2:16:28 That's terrifying, right?

2:16:30 As a weak person, you want to tear down strong people because weakness fears strength and, you know, it's just a natural response.

2:16:40 Strong people.

2:16:41 I don't, you know, I feel like I'm a strong person, spiritually, morally. I've got convictions.

2:16:46 What is he talking about?

2:16:48 To be clear, I don't know. And I had to cut it off at that point. Like, this goes on for a while, and it's really far past the point of being connected to the subject at hand. Like, we're supposed to be talking about the protocols. You're rambling about, ooh, smart people like smart people. It's very sad.

2:17:05 But he thinks he's very strong, so what does that mean?

2:17:08 Well, and it's proven by how strong... all the people around him are.

2:17:12 As strong as his mind is.

2:17:14 I am very smart. Therefore, everyone around me is very smart because they're smart and they want to hang out with... Right. This is all good.

2:17:21 That means you, the listener, must be very smart.

2:17:24 I think this is stupid, but it's also not good radio. You know, like, I'm listening to this and I'm like, this is not compelling. And it's also a riff that he stole from Alex. Like, this is an Alex rant.

2:17:37 But you can feel... his confidence declining from claws to claws in this sentence that won't end because he knows he doesn't have he doesn't have the landing and he's looking for it and he can't find.

2:17:48 It well and he's chosen it like for his descent into the landing to just steal like this other thing that his boss used to say. Like, it's hacky. You're not, this isn't your material. What are you doing?

2:18:03 But you can feel him getting lost in the sentence and starting to panic. And it's just, like you said, it's bad radio.

2:18:08 Yeah. But I think that the rest of this clip illustrates what I think this whole thing is. Harrison is reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and realizing that he kind of vibes with it, almost as if his entire worldview was always secretly based on dipshit conspiracies that are based on this text. It's almost like his whole life, people like his former drunken boss have been preaching the exact ideas on this page in front of him.

2:18:36 But for some reason, they would never come out and say they were from the protocols.

2:18:39 Because it's embarrassing.

2:18:41 Yeah, he's reading this stuff and you can almost hear a smile as he's realizing like, oh shit, this is all the stuff we just used to say about the globalists. This is kind of the paradox of Harrison Smith. He's a piece of shit Nazi. And this show is garbage. But he also makes me depressed. He has so little potential, and somehow it hits me really hard that even that is squandered. Content, it's like a vestigial organ that the body no longer needs. In the Nazi propaganda economy, Harrison's basically the appendix. Like, they don't need people to launder this shit anymore. There's, like, really hardcore stuff that's just totally acceptable in a way that it wasn't ten years ago.

2:19:25 So he better cling to this last job he's going to be offered real hard. And XR, you better get a retirement plan from them. This is sad.

2:19:36 So he's just, he's realizing live on air that like, oh, Alex told me I wasn't allowed to talk about the Jews. He was talking, the globalists were the Jews the whole time. Like he's just piecing it together.

2:19:48 It's like he's smelling something that has been there his whole life, but he's seeing it anew. It's like, Okay, buddy. Great. Good for you. Good for you, buddy. You're a brave boy. I feel so sad. He bums me out in a way that I'm still making fun of and I'm still laughing about, but he's sad. He's sad.

2:20:10 I just wish that this wasn't just a cold read. I just, I think he could bring more to the table if he read it before he got on the mic.

2:20:17 That is true. I think that there would be a strategic point that he would have picked out of the text too that would have been like, And this helps make my point about this.

2:20:26 Because he's just going paragraph by paragraph through chapter. There are 24 protocols. And we are not through number one.

2:20:32 We are not through number one.

2:20:34 Does he do 24 episodes of this? Because I won't.

2:20:39 I don't think so. And I won't either. But I will say that your prediction was correct. That he only gets through one and not really even through one. But. He also clearly set out to cover the entire text. Like this episode that he was doing was not meant to just be the first one. He fucked up.

2:21:01 He could have picked one paragraph from each because he's read about 18 paragraphs of this.

2:21:06 Yeah, that's true. Well, 18 seems high. I mean, he's gotten to 18, but like he hasn't read all of them. He skipped around a little.

2:21:15 He read like the first eight straight through.

2:21:17 Yeah.

2:21:18 He could have just picked one from each protocol. And discussed it. But he didn't do that.

2:21:24 Yeah, it's a classic mistake that I see with a lot of these. Like Alex's book, The Great Reset, is supposed to be about Klaus Schwab's book, The Great Reset. But it dwells in the introduction for a long time. And I think part of it is because.

2:21:37 Alex didn't read.

2:21:38 So he just started and he's like, I'm mad about this. I'm mad about this.

2:21:44 Harrison got through this and he's like, dang, this is kind of long.

2:21:48 Yeah. And he also was getting through it and he's like, some of this is pretty good, pretty based, pretty cool stuff. I like some of these ideas. And so that leads Harrison to what I think is one of the most revealing points for him to get to.

2:22:03 The idea of liberalism and this idea where they say, you know, to be liberal, you can't have any restrictions, right? Like the immoderate use of alcohol comes with liberty. Not necessarily. And that's a perversion of the sense of the word. The liberty that we want is actually safety. That's kind of what Americans actually mean when we say liberty. What we mean is safety because you can't have liberty if you're not at peace, right? How are you, like, for example, there was a story, you know, one of the good things that I'll credit Donald Trump with during his second administration is sending out National Guard and federal police forces to deal with crime in places like Memphis. And I remember seeing an interview with a woman who was thrilled

2:22:47 with the crime being fought back against and the criminals being swept up. And she said, you know, I can finally let my kids play in my backyard without fear of them getting shot. Because before that, you know, when the ghetto she lived in was just completely rife with crime or drive-by shootings, there was constant chaos. She couldn't let her kids play in her own backyard. So you tell me, if your kids can't play in your backyard, are you free? Are you a person at liberty if you can't leave your home without, you know, the threat of death? You can never be free. Liberty requires peace.

2:23:23 Peace requires order. Order requires good people using force. Do you understand how this works? You have to have good people with strong morals that want the best for everybody to ruthlessly crush the evil.

2:23:39 People that just want to take advantage of you.

2:23:40 The good people have to be the ones wielding the force, wielding the power for the benefit of everybody else. And they have to make a conscious choice to do that. And they have to be moral, good people, self-motivated to do that.

2:23:52 What the fuck?

2:23:53 And those people exist and they're out there. And actually the way the noble system, the system of aristocracy was set up, sort of provided incentives, built-in incentives for people to behave that way. Because as the king of a country, basically the better the country does, the better you do. So you're incentivized to make your people happy, make your people prosperous, make your people productive because that's how you gain wealth. That's how you gain power. You're not incentivized to destroy your people. Then in comes democracy, right? Democracy comes along. And now instead of sort of a family group that has a father figure as the head, who's responsible for the wellbeing and benefits from the wellbeing of

2:24:35 their people. Instead, now you have rulers who are at war with their own people. You have rulers who think, If these people become more populous or become more powerful, they don't like me.

2:24:46 They'll vote me out of office.

2:24:47 Therefore, for my power, I'm incentivized to try to stop these people from being successful, stop these people from being prosperous. So you actually have the rulers set at odds with their own people and fighting back against their own people because those people ostensibly have the power to remove them from office.

2:25:03 So it creates an.

2:25:06 Adversarial relationship where under an ideal situation, or even under just a functional system of monarchy or aristocracy, the monarchs and the aristocrats are incentivized to actually build up and help their people because it's, in a lot of ways, an extension of them.

2:25:24 Is Harrison a monarchist?

2:25:26 I feel like that's maybe where we're going. I certainly did not think that Infowars was an overtly monarchist establishment, so maybe he's become a king guy in the last few months.

2:25:38 We went on a strange journey there.

2:25:40 You were making some shocked faces.

2:25:43 Freedom is the police state. And also, democracy... Democracy leads to tyranny, and that's why we need a king.

2:25:51 Have you ever read 1984? In high.

2:25:55 School?

2:25:56 Well, I mean, he's engaging in a little bit of that doublespeak kind of stuff that maybe he should be aware of. I just.

2:26:03 I want to go back in time. I want to take this recording and get in my time machine and go back to 2002 and play this for Alex Emmerich Jones.

2:26:13 Yeah.

2:26:13 He will go crazy. He will go Donkey Kong crazy.

2:26:18 Yeah. He would probably, you know, whatever he did to Piers Morgan would be a blip compared to how he would respond to something like this. This is insane shit.

2:26:29 I'm going to sit Alex down and say, this is your protege. This man who's saying that armed federal agents policing our neighborhoods is freedom. This is what you did.

2:26:40 That's what we mean by freedom. And this little dipshit is going to get you a gig headlining a Christian nationalist conference, and you're going to happily take it.

2:26:49 He would stroke out. He would die.

2:26:51 Yeah. You know, I think that a wise man named Alexander Emmerich Jones once said, A hundred times conservatively. You know a tree by its fruits.

2:27:01 By its fruit. Absolutely.

2:27:02 And if Harrison is a fruit of Alex, that's bad. That speaks poorly of that tree.

2:27:08 That tree sucks, Alex.

2:27:09 Yeah. I think that that clip is damning for anybody who wants to pretend that they're engaged in like the American political system. Because you're just saying you want a police state tyranny if it's your guy. Yeah. If it's your guy.

2:27:28 If it's your guy.

2:27:29 Yeah. And I think that this is kind of at the root of all of Harrison and his type of media, which is that they really, really want to dictate how everyone else lives their life. but they don't like the feeling that they're that kind of person. Like, other people making them feel like a guy who wants to dictate everyone else's lives, that sucks. That feels like shit. So they just don't want to do that. Their shows and arguments end up feeling so disjointed and nonsensical because they're On the surface, they're pretending to care about high-minded ideas like freedom, but if you even pay a little attention, it's super obvious that they want a king, as long as it's their king. Freedom and liberty don't mean living

2:28:09 in a state where the government violently crushes all the things you don't like in the country, and Harrison understands that. This is silly, and there's no way that he could, like, straightforwardly make this argument. Like, He has to know that he's trying to manipulate people.

2:28:28 I think part of the problem is he's so busy at all times trying to distance himself from what he actually believes, and he doesn't have the same cover story every time, that it ends up just coming out a mess.

2:28:43 I don't think that there's any consequence now if you just want to be like, I'm a king guy.

2:28:48 Oh, no, there are a lot of sincere monarchists in the space. It's a weird belief.

2:28:54 I think that he probably just feels like they wouldn't let it... I don't know. I mean, the rally that they're doing is called Christ is King. So, like, that has king right in the name.

2:29:04 But that's a different kind of king.

2:29:06 Yeah, yeah. If you want a human king, you might end up getting fired at NXR.

2:29:12 I think, in terms of... People on the far right who are open monarchists, they do tend to also be Christian nationalists. So if you're going to be a monarchy guy, he's already in the right zone.

2:29:25 Yeah, that's true. But I think, again, I think a lot of this comes down to competition. Like, I think that Harrison kind of has a sense that he doesn't cut the mustard with, like, if he were to fully commit to being a king guy, there's a better king guy.

2:29:39 He's not the best one.

2:29:40 Yeah, if he fully committed to being a Nazi guy, there's a better Nazi guy. If he wants to commit to being an Alex guy, Alex is still there. Like, there is no.

2:29:49 There's no niche for him.

2:29:51 No, he's always third best. And he was great at being third best at InfoWars. And now we're in a position where that doesn't exist anymore. And I guess he's maybe moved up to number two at NXR?

2:30:07 I would love to know how much he makes. It might really hurt my feelings. I.

2:30:13 know that I've found out some things about Infowars payroll kind of stuff. And on-air talents often made more than you'd think. And then contributors made almost nothing. So like John Bowne and those people who are like making the reports that would go on the show, they made very, very little per thing. But then like Owen made way too much, way too much. If Harrison got paid anything, like, I believe in living wage, you know, for everybody. Sure.

2:30:46 I don't think he should be impoverished. But based on the work he was doing, if he got paid over, like, 20 grand a year, he's very lucky.

2:30:56 Because he's just cold reading the protocols of the elders of Zion.

2:31:00 Yep.

2:31:01 I believe in living wage, but I don't think what he's doing is work, so I don't think that applies here.

2:31:06 Right. We do need to reassess what labor means. This is not labor. So Harrison does end the episode before he even gets to Protocol 2, which infuriated me.

2:31:18 So we're going to continue this in the next episode. So join us next week as we continue our coverage of the Protocols of Elders of the Elders of Zion. Again, this is just a very, very small taste of what this document contains. It is 25 protocols in total, I believe, something like that.

2:31:38 Something like that.

2:31:38 Yeah, 24 protocols in total. We have only gotten partway through the first.

2:31:45 He hasn't really gotten through anything because there's no point. But he has, I guess, decided to end the show.

2:31:54 Filled the hour.

2:31:55 Yeah. I think it's like an hour and a half. He went long.

2:31:58 He obviously had no plan because he didn't know how many protocols that he didn't get to.

2:32:02 Right.

2:32:03 There's no plan.

2:32:04 I wonder if there is a sense that he had, like, all right, we're not going to get to all of them, so maybe this will be a series. Maybe I've got 24 episodes here. I don't know what he was thinking, but it's like, if this is proof of concept, you shouldn't do more. You shouldn't do another episode. This would get canceled on a network.

2:32:22 Yeah, this isn't good content. I don't think this would even inspire anyone to go pick this up and check it out. He just, he had nothing to say about it.

2:32:31 No, probably not. It's probably exciting for. Christian Nazi types who think that this would be a useful recruiting kind of thing. I think that that's probably who pays his bills now.

2:32:48 But there's a reason better propagandists than he have abandoned this.

2:32:53 That's true. That's true. I don't know. I mean, I guess we're really just going to have to deal with, like, the bottom line question is who would hire Harrison Smith? And then that answers all of our questions.

2:33:06 I need to find out more about his boss. I need to find out more about this network.

2:33:10 Maybe we'll cover that on the next episode. As opposed to doing more of this protocols bullshit. If he can't handle doing more than one protocol in an episode, fuck him.

2:33:20 And he doesn't have the attention span to do 25 episodes of this.

2:33:24 I worry that he might, but I don't think of it as attention span. I think of it more as he doesn't have any other ideas. Ha ha.

2:33:32 That's the hardest part about doing a weekly show is having a new idea every week. I get it. But you can't do 25 episodes about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

2:33:40 As someone who did a thousand episodes about Alex Jones, I will say that it is hard. It's hard to come up with ideas, and it's also hard to keep your attention on one thing for that long. We have one last clip, though, and it's Harrison hoping that he is not murdered for doing this.

2:34:00 I hope I don't get killed.

2:34:01 I hope Israel doesn't kill me for this. Because once again, folks, as much as the awakening has occurred over the last couple of years from Jeffrey Epstein to the Iran war and everything in between, the Gaza conflict in particular, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is still to this day a legitimately forbidden book. And you can find stories of the FBI launching investigations just because they found out somebody had this book in their possession. That's how dangerous this still is. So if you're watching this, you are engaged in a thought crime.

2:34:33 As we speak.

2:34:34 And I hope that you have enjoyed your thought crime with us today. I hope that you are going to join us for our conference in November, November 12th through 14th in Dallas, Texas. It is the Christ is King America After Trump NXR Conference.

2:34:48 You can get tickets today at newchristianright.com.

2:34:52 Sounds interesting, Harrison. Nice ad pitch. He picked that up from Alex, and I'm proud of him for that. But this is so sad. I hope I don't get killed for this. How much fake bravery do you need to put on? You know?

2:35:11 This is not that edgy, but it's not. Do you know what the first thing that comes up if you Google Protocols of the Elders of Zion download? At least for me. At least on my computer. The first Google result that comes up is the FBI file on it.

2:35:26 Right. Yep.