#109 OpenAI vs Google: The Real Business Model War Begins

This week on More or Less, Sam Lessin, Brit Morin, and Dave Morin dive into the startup world and how today's founders need to bring fun back into the ecosystem, why most public policy around AI is just noise, whether Apple’s best move is to simply not care about AI hype, and the business model reckoning for OpenAI. Stay till the very end for a sneaky savage moment from Brit!

Chapters:
02:00 – The Real Reason Early VC Worked: Fun
03:50 – Authentic Fun vs. Fake Fun in Startups
05:40 – AI Hacks, JSON, and the Joy of Building
09:45 – AI Data, Human Correction, and Social Graphs
12:15 – Tesla’s Trillion-Dollar Marketing Stunts
16:23 – Google’s CapEx, Meta’s Moat, and AI Spending
18:15 – OpenAI’s Extension: Business Model Reckoning
27:08 – Apple’s AI Strategy: Does Not Caring Win?
36:20 – AI Companions & The Threat to Social Platforms
39:15 – Google’s Secret Weapon: Let OpenAI Take the Bullshit
47:15 – Founders: Build What You Love, Or Regret It
53:30 – Savage Brit & Monjaro Shots in NYC

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