The Mystical Christ Revealed with Fr. Seán ÓLaoire

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1:17 and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now, let's dive in to today's episode. I like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Father Sean O'Leary. How you doing, Father Sean.

1:36 I didn't really go that likes great to be with you again, my brother.

1:40 Thank you so so much for being here, my friend. I missed you. I sort of got I missed you. We should have had you on. You should live here, you should move in to Next Level Sool Studios and just be here all the time. I love your energy, Sean. I love what you're doing. And since you and I both came from similar backgrounds in the sense of Catholicism, in our spiritual past, it is that's where I feel there's a deep connection, uh with our our parallel journeys walking because we both kind of walked in. You went obviously a bit deeper than I did, though I did though I did run it. I did run home after school one day and I told my mom in first grade, I'm like, I know what I want to be. I want to be a priest when I grow up and

2:22 my mom and my mom said, oh god, so so it was. That was one of the first things I wanted to be. It was a priest. So what I well, I mean I was in Catholic school. I mean I see all the power and the respect and you know, everyone when they walked in the room, I'm like, oh, that seems interesting.

2:46 Instead of having a pulper to preach to one hundred people, you have a pulper and you're speaking to millions.

2:51 Well that we were trying to, we're trying to. We're trying to we're trying to elevate we're trying to elevate humanity's consciousness a little bit. And as and as we were saying before, I have to say it because I think it's so brilliant. As you continue to evolve, maybe one day we'll get to being Irish and that's that's when that's obviously the highest maybe in the next incarnation for me. But I do have some Irish blood in me, but not too much, just a little bit, just a good part obviously. Absolutely So, my friend, there's a thousand things we could talk about, but one of my favorite topics to talk about Sean is the Lost years of of yes, yes, yes, yes. I love the lost because I always the joke I always say is like when

3:40 I was in Catholic school, they would go, Jesus was born. Then there's a story when he's twelve and YadA, YadA, YadA, he rides in on a donkey and I'm like, well, wait a minute, what happened in the YadA YadA YadA years is the most important, that's the best part of the story as a storyteller, like, well, wait a minute, how did how did our hero get create? Not physically, but like how did the development of the human being that is Yeshua come in? Because it didn't come in fully formed? No one to my understanding, maybe some maybe some saints that come in that are they they're enlightened at three. But from my understanding, Yeshua's path was not that he was definitely special and gifted, there's no question.

4:25 But when he left at twelve, and there's that eighteen year window, where do you think he went in those years?

4:34 So I've actually put a lot of time into this and not so much in studying the possibilities. I know there's literature out there, but in my own kind of deep meditations, you know, I think we can shift timelines. We can be in an antero state of consciousness. There's no past, present, or future. Everything is right now. And so I spent a lot of time, particularly actually since we last spoke, which was I don't know, a year ago, a year and a half and a half. Yeah, you know, yeah, really kind of in auto states of consciousness, trying to trace his trajectory. Now, I actually believe that there was a cohort of souls. I think it was Jesus, his mother, the Magdalene, John the Beloved Disciple, and John the Baptist.

5:13 That this was a core group of souls. I think that migrated from lifetime to lifetime, from demension to dimension, from planetary systems to planetary systems, doing what Jesus came through here on this earth, that is, to upgrade the kind of whatever dimension he found himself, to try to upgrade the spirituality of the people, whether it was a different planet, a different galaxy. And so I think they had lots of experience in being dropped into difficult situations where people were out of touch with their own core spirituality and to upgrade them. And so I think that they came on the planet Earth, and I think they came on the planet Earth many times as a cohort group.

5:50 I believe, you know, that the Buddhre was a previous incarnation of Jesus. I think that Loudsoo may have been. I think that Zoroaster may have been. And so I think that at various stages this court came in to different kind of traditions to try to upgrade the spirituality. And then the kind of the Pisto resistance was two thousand years ago when they came back into Nazareth and they brought with them all of the experiences of their previous recoundations and previous lifetimes and they acted it out now for the missing years. Then I really believe that around the age of twelve, Jesus began his his so how we call him Swahili, his Safari's, his journeys. And I think they may have taken him to Celtic Cornwall

6:35 in southwest England, because as his uncle was Joseph Armathaer who was a tin merchant, and he traveled around, you know, looking for sources of ten and there are great tin minds in Cornwall, which is a Celtic speaking area with a deep into drurgical spirituality, and that Jesus may have been exposed to Celtic spirituality as a little boy of twelve, you know. But I think then that he actually he took off self at age twelve, and he wanted to visit all of the locations in which he previously incarnated.

7:04 I think he went down into Egypt first because he'd spent you know, two years or three years as a little child fleeing from Herod, you know, and that he visited the mystery schools of Egypt. And then then he went down to Persia and visited to Souro Austrianism and the great teachings of you know, Zarathustra. I think he went to India, you know, and indulged in kind of Vedic spirituality and Buddhism. I think he went across to China and looked at the work of Kungfutsu and Laotsu, and so he's reacquainting himself with all those spiritualities case he'd been previously. And then in my vision, I get in the notion that about age nineteen, so he begins this around age twelve, around age nineteen, a message comes

7:47 through to him that his foster father Joseph, is dying, and he comes back into the land of Israel to be with his stepfather, you know, and to aushur him through the dead portal, and then stayed around to console his mother, and then he took off again, and he continued for this kind of peregrination, visiting all these sacred sites and these spirit sacred spiritualities. And then he came back then joined the esc In community for a little while, you know, was baptized by John the Baptist. And now he's ready to begin his final phase, you know, of trying to upgrade the spirituality of planet Earth. And so for me, that is who he was, that he kind of came many many times with this court group, you know.

8:28 And I believe that even our own times, that spirit is there. That the second Coming of Jesus is not so much a returnal physical being, but rather it is the movement, the birthing of this new spirituality. So I think that that spirituality is kicking into life right now. It's like it's like the notion of the perinatal matrices, this notion here that There are four significant stages to the birthing process. The first one is to ask the question is the womb a happy place for a child or was the mother doing drugs have been kind of punished in somewhere, are abused, and so what's the inutral experience like for the little baby? And then the second stage is the contractions begin, but the cervix is closed,

9:10 so there's no exit possible, and the child is being crushed and it's freaking out. The third stages, the cervix opens and the spilunking is beginning down the birth canal, but it could take up to forty eight hours. And the fourth stages, the bibyo is out, he's slapped on the tush, he's hanging upside down, he's having to breathe on his own for the first time. There's loud noises and bright lights. So it's really upsetting initially. Now I think that's what our planet is going through right now, that we're going through the per matrices as a global community.

9:39 You know that very definitely. We asked the question is is the womb the happy place right now? And it's not. We're fraught with all kinds of dissensions, so, but the cervix seems to be still closed, you know, there doesn't seem to be an exit, although I believe the cervix exactly open. And we're beginning the birth in process, and we're spinlunking through the breath canal, and we're going to inhabit in Earth and in new heavens, and it's going to be very, very different. So in some senses it's going to be frightening. We think, you know, it's going to be beautiful. It's the new heaven and the new Earth.

10:08 But because we're not used to it yet, we have to acclimatize to that. Like little baby learning how to breathe on his own, or can I sit up on his honor? You know, if he's laying his belly, he can't even switch over and lay in his back. And so it feels to me that that's what we're going through right now, and so we have to kind of we have to honor that process and not be afraid of it and see that this actually is a necessary stage of the birthing of christ consciousness. And for me, christ consciousness is the permanent awareness of the divinity of all beings. Every oak tree every bunny, rabbit, every human being.

10:41 It is the permanent awareness of that the difference between Christ and the rest of us. Sometimes we get kind of visions yeah, oh yeah, this is God encarnter, this is God encounterate, but we don't treat them like that. So the permanent awareness of christ consciousness is the realization of nomaste. I can offer you nomaste, I can offer knocks, I can offer a bunny ramad namaste. Because I realized that everything that exists has simply God and drag. Everything is in articulation of the difin Yeah. So for me, I think that was the kind of that was the recording mission of this group of souls.

11:14 When you say group of souls is kind of like a soul family essentially, yes, yes, yes, and then and then in every lifetime a lot of times, you know, from my understanding of a soul family is like sometimes the father would be if the father is in one life and the next life will be the mother or the child or the uncle or something. But something in that group core that follow everywhere. And from your understanding, why do why do souls decide to connect that way?

11:41 I mean, to go through that. I mean, this is insane. This experience is insane. It's absolutely ridiculous. It's insane. You're thrown in like if you just imagine just the concept of what life is, imagine you throw a character into a world that he doesn't know and the only thing that they have at these strangers who they who are the caretakers and whatever they have learned, they kind of pass on to you and they protect you, hopefully or not protect you. That's another path, and then you try to figure everything out along the way. This is insane.

12:14 So my take is it like as a group, a soul group, you're like, listen, this is this is a rocky road. We're gonna go down. Let's all let's team up and we'll be there for each other and we'll just know each other a lot. Is that what kind of happens?

12:25 It is? So I had a vision some years ago, at the very very beginning. If there is only a God, if nothing exists except God, then no relationships are possible. If there's only God, I have no relationships are possible, no experiences are possible. I have no experiences that are possible, no growth is possible. So I believe what the aborigine is that God sang creation into being, so there's unity, consciousness, you know, fracture itself. The Hebrews will call that nets.

12:56 So it seem the sparks of the soul that God created. These souls holographic fractals ourself. And a hologram is an entity that contains the totality of itself and every one of its component parts. And a fractal is a pattern that repeats at an infant number of scales. So every soul is a holographic fractal of God. We contained the totality of the divine in a modular form. Now, I think that once God had done that, God called I call it the first pre cosmic conference, brought all the souls together, said let's do something fun. What shall we do?

13:31 And the idea we had was let's create a cosmos. So we actually fashioned the cosmos x nahilo, you know, from planets, moons, galaxies, you know, the entire cosm. And we were absolutely amazed at our own handiwork, and we watched it with fascination. And then at some stage God said, can we do something even more creative? And the second idea was, let's create avatars for ourselves. So we can insert ourselves into the cosmos and experience it from the inside out. It's the difference in Buddhism between Turia and Touria tita. Turia is the witnessing consciousness that's watching stuff at the distance. Touria Tita is the participant observer, that's both the witness of the process and the participant in

14:15 the process. So now these souls, we created avatars of ourselves in various dimensions. Some of us created avatars at a ten dimensional level, and there'll be angels or Caribim or Serfim or whatever, and others created avatars at a three dimensional level. With this densification, and the really brave soul said, I'm going to volunteer for three D because I'd forget who I am. I'd forget that I'm a cosmic being. I'd forget that I'm come from source, and I'd be stuck in this dense situation and see if i can work my way out of it and still remember that I'm a divine being. So the really great souls volunteer for incarnational planet ears. But we come down here in the Coort group, and I think we draw

14:55 from two kinds of groups. I call one the soul group, and the other the or group.

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15:11 And so the sole group of the people with whom we've had many, many previous incarnations, we know there are trajectories. We know how they've behaved in every single previous incarnation. We know their strengths and their weaknesses, and we know exactly the times into which we are parachuting. There are no surprises for us in the sense that we volunteered to be here right now knowing exactly the situation into which we were coming. But we also bring people from our shadow pod, and these are the people who are going to test us, really test us, you know. And when Jesus says you must love your enemies, that's what he means. It's not that he's saying we'll lie down let people walk all over you. He's saying that there'll

15:47 be people who will test you, because they will show you your own shadow material. What comes up in you as a result of interacting with them will show you your own shadow material, and therefore, in some senses, they're also teachers for you. So we're bringing people into our lifetime from the shadow pod and from the soul pod to guarantee that will not become we won't just become narcissists.

16:07 If I'm surrounded by people who love me, I become a narcissist. If I surrounded by people who hate me, you know, I'll have no self esteem. So I balanced the equation out by having both so that I can work with my own shadow material, and also I can be kind of inspired by the love that I experience.

16:22 From your understanding of Jesus in or Yeshua and his teachings, what what is the most misunderstood thing about Jesus's teachings.

16:32 I think the single most understood, misunderstored thing is the realization that we think Jesus was a one off. You know, there's a great statement at the beginning of John's Gospel. It says, in the beginning was the Word, and the world was with God, and the world was God. All things were created by Him, and without him was made.

16:49 Nothing that was made in Him was life, and this life was the light of men. And the world became flesh and dwelt among us. That one phrase, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We totally missed present and misunderstand that. We think that that happened only once, that the Word only became flesh once, and it was that the second person of the treaty became a human being.

17:09 And what Jesus was actly saying is the Word became flesh. Everything that exists with the Father took on a form of incarnation. Everything that exists is a word of God made flesh. Everything that exists is a word of God made flesh. The only difference between it is there are life forms which don't have a whole lot of self awareness, like your rock. You know, it's a word of God made flesh in rocky form, but it has no kind of self awareness. It's responding to kind of the what the environment is doing, whether it's raining, or it's windy or its frosty or whatever. Whereas you know, bunny rabbits have a greater sense of personal self than how to eat, how to reproduce, how to protect themselves. Human beings have

17:45 a higher level. And so it's only our level of self awareness that changes from kind the form of encarnation we take on, and that the highest form of that is the Christ's consciousness. You know, the permanent awareness of the inner divinity of all beings. So I think that is a totally misunderstood statement of Jesus Christ. Christ was saying, every single one of you is a word of God made flesh. And if you realize that, you'll realize your own divinity, and you recognize the divinity even of your enemies, and you realize that they two are a word of God made flesh, and you'll treat them very, very differently for me, when if they're just hostile beings we are to can detarture you.

18:22 Well, but Sean with Jesus, and I agree with everything you said, But according to the Catholic Church, that's just not the way it goes, my friend. Like you know, if you're not of the Catholic, you know you're not the chosen Catholic. But I find this as a common theme in many, not all, but many religions, is that they have chosen. They're the chosen people. You know that they're literally the chosen people, and everybody else are too bad, you know, no hostility, just too bad. You didn't get born Jewish, you didn't get born Muslim, or didn't get born you know, any of that stuff that's too. It's a shame which I find so fascinating because Christ was talking about everybody, because really there was very little religion.

19:04 And please correct me if I'm wrong. When Christ was walking the planet, there was concepts of religion. Obviously, Judaism had been around forever. I mean, Vedic traditions have been around forever as well. But and there was other other forms, obviously Buddhism you know, as well. But it wasn't as structured by any stretch as it is today. There was no Vatican, there was no centralized authority or anything like that.

19:28 What do you say to people who are Catholic, Let's say right now, use that as an example, because you and I both from there that are Catholics, and they just believe that they're just the only the only way is our way, where it seems to as you see a giant Buddha head behind you, it seems like you are walking, you're taking from all paths, and you're seeing the commonalities between all paths, which is what I do.

19:53 I see because of the work I do. I see the common threads of Yeshua and Buddha, and in Laosu and Kwan Yin and all of these amazing masters. I see the commonalities between them, not the separation. So what are your thoughts?

20:09 I mean, give you a metaphor first, and I'll respond specifically. I live completely off the grid and ten miles from the nearest little town. I've got my own solar system for electricity, you know, I've got my own septic system. And I also have a well which is down two hundred and sixty feet drilled down to get water. But there are lots of heavy metals in the water because it's coming up through various kind of levels of the earth, and that's so adding a whole bunch of stuff that's not good for drinking. So I have to do a three part refining system before I can drink the water. Now, if I go down to the water table and I take water directly from the water table, it will be pure water. But because it's coming up, it's filtering through

20:48 all these systems, it's taking on all of these toxins. Now, I think pure spirituality is the water table. But when we sink our wells, very typically we're going through down through strata, which reducing you know, hostile elements into it. So if I want to know what the real water table of Sonoma County was concerned, I should visit like ten different people and ask them to take water, and we compare what if they got in common, and what they have in common is the real thing. So at the first World Parliament of Religions in eighteen ninety three in Chicago, when for the first time ever some great Indian gurus joined kind of the conference, and there was a great dialogue in that between two British theologians, one

21:28 of whom was claiming that, you know, you have to really sink your well, you know, and focused on one religion. You can't be messed through over a whole bunch of other religions. And the other guy is saying, no, no, no, you have to see what the others are saying as well and find the commonality. And there was one English theologian that said, he quoted an English proverb that says he knows not England, who only England knows. If you've been born in England, lived in England, and everyone does side of England, you don't know England because you have nothing more which to compare it. It's only when you travel you see what are the Irish doing? What the Australian is doing well of the America. Now you've got

22:01 some sense of what makes England different from this, so he knows not England too wodly. England knows from my own belief system is that you have to be able to look at all of the possibilities and find out what they have in common. But then in your spirituality you have to think your roots really deeply in the sum of practice, whether it for me it's Euchrist for instance, you're really powerful although I've been meditating for sixty two years, and so that I investigate all of them and I draw out they have in common, so I know what spirituality is as this thing from religion. And at the same time then I have to focus somewhere so that my liturgy or my spirituality or my practice, you know, has a consistency to it. So that's kind of the balance.

22:38 I tried to do it rather a few months ago. I gave a kind of a series of harmonies to my own community, and I talk about the ten the slippery slopes from inspiration to inquisession, that every great spiritual system starts out with a great inspiration from source, and then there's some kind of a charismatic profit that holds that inspiration, and then his teaching is so curry charismatic that a group of people began to gather on them.

23:05 So first is the inspiration, then there's the prophetic charismatic character. Then there's a group of disciples who think, wow, this guy is worth listening to that. Stage three, Stage four is, you know, this guy is going to get whacked very definitely. He's going to run fould in the system, the political system or the established religiousism. He's going to get killed.

23:24 All our profits, you know, get killed. Stage four, Stage five is the disciples now try to create some kind of an institution in his memory. That's says Stage five. Stage six is some little self appointed oligarchy will rise to the top of that that group and they take charge of it. I know, slowly, slowly, they start creating rules that difference between us and people who are not us.

23:47 And so now, in order to be one of us, you have to accept, for instance, the nice in creed. You have to believe in this creed. You know, you have to believe what the pope tells you or whatever you know. And if you don't, we're going to inquisition you. We're going to put you limb from limb, and if we have the ability, we start crusades against outsiders. I know we've got all the ways from the inspiration down to in quissession. And I see that happening everywhere in religious systems, in political systems, and economic models, in educational systems, the same trajectory, and we have to keep waking ourselves up from it. So we have to disperse our interests in such a way that we're learning from all the systems,

24:20 but at the same time creating some kind of a deep, deep practice that brings me deep, deep, deep down into the water table of spirituality from which all religions emerge.

24:30 Beautifully said John, beautifully, beautifully said would there's so much, so many questions are flying into my head with what is happening in the world today. And I'll go again back to Catholicism with the Vatican. You know, when I was blessed enough to go visit it and felt the space, there's something very special about the energy in that space, but it's kind of acted by the energy of the opulence, the control all these other things. It was a weird energy.

25:09 But as you've seen as well as I have over the last fifty years. The Church is very different, Vatican is very different than it was fifty years ago. When you were starting off as a priest, it was infallible. Where now we all see in the cracks. Where do you see Catholicism going? Because I don't, you know, I'm not a lot of people are like, you know, I'm a recovering Catholic. I joke all the time. I'm a recovering Catholic, you know, because of the trauma and the dogma that I dealt with. But I'm very grateful for Catholicism and being born into a Catholic family because it introduced me to God, It introduced me to something bigger than me, introduced me to Yesha and his teachings, and it was to me to kind of unravel it from

25:55 the dogma, from the control, from the negative aspects of that religion. As what a friend of mine said once, no one ever leaves Christianity because of Jesus. They leave because of Paul. But that's another conversation. So where do you see Catholicism going? Where do you see the Vatican going? Because it's such a powerful institution in the world. Do you in ten years and twenty years and fifty years, where do you see it?

26:24 So the first thing I do for myself, alex Say, is I differencia between Catholic with a capital say and capital with a small say, because the word Catholic really means universal from the Latin and from the Greek, whereas you have to talk about our Roman Catholic as a contradiction in terms how can you be a universal figure and be confined to a particular city. And so I talk about myself as a Catholic priest and says that the universality of my spirituality and I kind of a love for all people is universal and is Catholic in that sense, but not Catholic, and says that I come from this particular tradition based in the Vatican, and that I'm their mouthpiece. So I think that's an important distinction

27:03 for people if they call themselves Catholic, that they're actually avowing that they're embracing a universal spirituality, not just a kind of a particular brand located in the Vatican. So that's the first thing I would say. The second thing I really believe. I wrote a light Worker's manifesto many years ago. And one of the claims I make is that the era of big institutional religion is long past its sell by date, and that the future of spirituality as local communities interfacing like new runs on a cosmic brain, and that little communities I think of one hundred and fifty people are less as important. We know sociologically that if I'm part of a community of one hundred and fifty people or less, I can know everybody by name.

27:45 If it goes over one hundred and fifty, now I may not ten people by name, and the others I may recognize their faces, but I don't know who they are. And so I think that the future of spirituality, I think the future of education, I think the future of medicine. I think the future entertainment is all about communities kind of answering their own needs. When I lived in Kenya, I lived in Kenny for fourteen years, and when I was I founded lots of little communities and hid a phrase I used in Swahili that every community should be could g take a mayor which means self reliant, kud to mikia which means self ministering, and ku gnas, which means self promoting that the ideal of a community is that it should answer all of its own needs, that is,

28:27 not depending on outsiders to give its needs. That it should be self ministering. That whatever the need in the community is, that there's somebody in the community who volunteers, so I can do that. You know, I'd be the teacher for the group. I be the farmer for the group. You know, I'll be the entertainer for the group, whatever it is. Yeah, And so that all the needs of the community are being answered by members of the community, and that is self promoting in the sense that they're part.

28:48 They're doing is so attractive that other people want to imitate it, but they'll spin off. Like in the oldest monasticism, you know, when a monastery got too big, twelve members would leave and star in new community elsewhere, because you don't want a nonwieldy community where nobody knows anybody else.

29:05 So I really believe that maybe not in my lifetime, but perhaps in your lifetime, that you'll realize that Rome and Mecca are a thing of the past. All these great religious institutions have outlived their usefulness, you know, and they'll be replaced by small local communities. Answering all of their own needs educational needs, entertainment needs, medical needs, spiritual needs, exeter.

29:27 And that there will network with each other in a way in which there's no hierarchical system of imposing particular laws and the group. And I believe that that's where we're headed. And I think that's the birth of the new christ consciousness, that it is a small, independent but connected communities on a global brain, worshiping the divine in everything beautifully said.

29:48 Let me ask you, then, Sean, what is the difference between believing in God and knowing God.

29:52 It's the difference between wisdom and knowledge. So knowledge for me is data which are generated by this sense soorium, and process by the brain, whereas wisdom is data that are generated by the soul and process by the heart.

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30:18 And so faith, you know and belief. I love the word rather than belief. I prefer the word trust. So I bought an old painting I was inside in an antique shop a few months ago, and they came across this Mother and Child of Jesus and Mary. I was on sale for seventy five bucks. You know, I don't know how old it is, but my great grandmother had the very same painting in her home when I was a little child, and I actually looked it up and as to the virgin and baby, but actually it was a portrait of an eleven year old Italian girl holding her baby brother. And I look at this, and this little girl is totally protective of her little brother it and holding it, and the little baby is totally relaxed and completely asleep, trusting in her arms. Now, I think

31:06 that it's not a question of belief. Belief is a sheribel activity. Trust comes from their heart. It is the trusting in God. That that's what's important, not in the belief in a whole bunch of dogma. You know, revealed tenets to somebody in Rome or I hat and so I prefer the word trust and the world wisdom rather than knowledge and belief.

31:25 I love that that the trust is from the heart, belief is from the mind. Yes, it's beautifully as beautifully said. What part of Catholicism do you cherish the most?

31:37 The Eucharist?

31:39 Yeah, explain, explain to me.

31:41 I think, you know, it's interesting to me that on the very last night of his life, he literally had less than twelve hours of life to live. Of all the symbols, and he spoke in parables constantly and using all different kinds of symbols and images. Of all the images, he decided to leave us with at the last supper, what he said, this is my body, this is my blood. Now, obviously he didn't go there on the room and people took a bite of his ear, out of his big toe.

32:05 He wasn't saying that. What we're saying is I want to give you a symbol. And the ultimate symbol is the symbol of a mother, because the mother grows a baby in her own womb, so literally in his hard body producing the baby, and her blood feeding the baby. And even when the child is born, she puts it on her breast and she's feeding her from her own breast.

32:24 So Christ is saying, if I'd give you one image, who your relationship with God is. God is the mother who conceived you, carried you, gave birth to you, and nurtured you at her own breast. And so eu Christ for me is the symbol par excellence to that. And so for me, every meal is a euchoustic meal. Every meal.

32:42 For me is the realization that, you know, I have three different kinds of mothers. You know, I have Mother Mary in heaven. I have the woman who gave birth to Sean, you know, eighty years ago. And I have you know, the the Gaya herself, the planet herself, who gives me the food I eat, that, what I drink, what I wear, the house I live in. All of these things came from her. She gave me everything that I have. So she is my mother. So when I celebrate You Christ, I think of Gaya. When I celebrate eu Christ, I think of Mother Mary. When I think of eu Christ, I think of Jesus and the Last Supper.

33:13 So for me, I've been saying Mass now for fifty four years as a priest. There's not a single time I ever say Mass where it is not. I don't go it an altra state of consciousness because I time travel and I'm back at the Last Supper with Jesus, and everybody is capable of doing that. You know, there's a parallel lifetime in which Alex Ferrari is at the Last Supper listening to the words of Christ and receiving the body of Christ and understanding at the court of his being. What's involved there, So of all the kind of the liturgy, or all of the kind of the symbols, or all the practices, you know, for me, it is the saying Mass. And I say Mass on my own.

33:50 Now you know, I'm no longer part of the community, but I say Mass on my own and I sing aloud even when I'm saying Mass on my own, So you know, so for me, that's the way in which I constantly kind of reconnect with the christ consciousness.

34:04 So, but the Ucharus is something that is straight from Christ, not a Catholic thing. You know, it's not dogma, it's it's it's something straight from Christ. They've they've obviously changed it a bit over the years and all of that. Can you explain to somebody who's listening right now, who is listening to this conversation and it's blowing their brains apart because they they're they're I mean, for you and I, this is old hat. You know, we have these conversations constantly.

34:35 But for someone I mean, if this, if I would have heard this in my twenties, my head would have exploded. It would have rattled the foundations of my understanding of the universe, understanding of my place here. And that's why these conversations, you know, can really affect people because it just really rattles them from your point of view. If you if you have somebody watching right now that has read the Bible a thousand times and it's all about the Bible and the Bible, and that might not be Catholic Catholicism, and by be Christianity or one of the I don't know a thousand sects of Christianity they are out there. Would what would you what would your message to them be if they're having difficulty dealing with these

35:22 ideas versus what they've been taught from either their religion or what they've been taught from the Bible, which the Bible itself has. Well, we could talk about the Bible a little bit about a lot of stuff that's off with the Bible, but go ahead, can you tell me?

35:40 Yeah? Absolutely so for me, the first thing to realize is that when Jesus was queried by the audience as to why he's using these ridiculous parables, why didn't they speak in theological language or scientific language or philosophical tennis or whatever, he refused to do it. And he's asked in two places in Matthew's Gospel, in chapter thirteen, why are you still speaking in these ridiculous stories and these parables?

36:02 And he gives apparently two different answers. The first time, he says, I speak in parables, and so that seeing you may see but not understand. Hearing you may hear but not comprehend. Now, why would somebody speak in such a way that you can hear it but not understand it, you know, or listen to it but not comprehend it.

36:22 What he's saying is there are three ways of listening. You can listen with your sensorium, and if you do that, you'll take it literally and you'll have no idea what the actually means. Or you can listen to it symbolically and you begin to smile. Or you can listen to it mystically and you laugh because you'll realize, you know that there is only love and there is only God.

36:42 And so the first time he says that I'm speaking in parables because I want you to learn to listen with your soul, not with your mind, not with your ears, you know, not with your intelligence, but with wisdom and with love and I want you to mediate what you're hearing through those modalities, and then you'll understand. And the second time he was asking, I speak in parables so that I may reveal things which have been hidden since the foundation of the world. In other words, there are some truths which are so deep that the only way that can be articulated in some kind of story form.

37:13 And so I coined the term many many years ago that I call mythish, and I define mythish is sacred wisdom communicated in story form. And what I've seen again and again and again that stories are the archived wisdom of every culture. I've had the privilege of learning six different languages and working with four different tribes of people in Kenya. You know, I've been raised bilingually with Irish folklore, you know, and I know that you know, mythology is the archaved wisdom of every culture, and so of me, Irish mythology and African folklore are as much the Word of God is as the New Testament is, are the bag of Adgitas or the pithecas of Buddhism are. And so when you learn to listen to the stories with

37:54 your soul rather than with your ears. Then you become enlightened. You wake up and you realize what it is. And so I would appeal to people who are raised in any kind of religious system to begin trusting your own heart and listening with your soul rather than just trying to understand what your mind or taking blind belief. You know, in a sense of darkness which we are tic led over hundreds of years by a very corrupt organization. You're a child of God. You have everything you need in order to understand the word of God. And the word of God is not just the kind of the text within the covers of a Bible. It is what God writes in your own heart. Because you are a fractal of source, You're a bite sized piece of God. You know,

38:38 you know, so you're a hologram. Everything that exists in God exists to you in a smaller form. So listen to your soul. When something makes you laugh, and something makes you smile, as something makes you love, that's the truth. If something makes you afraid or prejudice against anybody, that is not the truth. I don't care where you read it or who told you about it. If it creates anxiety and fear and separation and prejudice. It is not of God. If it makes you smile and laugh and reach out even to your enemy, that is of God.

39:09 So listen with your soul, now with your.

39:11 Ears, beautifully said my friend. Now, you mentioned Irish folklore and mythology, and I think you're the person to talk to about what I'm about to ask, because I've always been fascinated with the Celtic imagination and Merlin and the Ourtherian legends, but specifically the character of Merlin. What is your understanding of who was Merlin? Was it a title, was it an actual person? Was it a group of people using it? What is your understanding of Merlin and what they brought to the world, Because it's not just a story and a character from my understanding, and at least from the Celtic point of view, So I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

39:56 So the first thing I would say is that for me, Merlin is the kind of the incarn of a spiritual archetype, which doesn't mean that he's just an archetype or a made up figure, but that he's actually in articulation of an incarnation of a particular archetype. And the archetype of the altered states of consciousness, in which we have visions outside this three D reality, and so the Celts and the Druids in particular, you know, I believe this is another vision had many many years ago, that with the fall of Atlantis, maybe ten twelve thousand years ago, that it bifurcated, that there's a raptured version and a ruptured version.

40:31 That the ruptured version of Atlantis was due to some kind of a catastrophe that the island sank. So it's ruptured in a sense, but it's raptured in a sense that some of the beings escaped from the island, you know, and went to eastward and westward, and when they went westward they met mess for America and became the origin of all the great mystical schools of mes America. When they went to the east, they landed in Ireland, and in Egypt and in Europe, and it became the reason for the great mystery schools of Europe. So that's kind of I call that the kind of the ruptured version those who physically survived. There's another one I called the raptured version, that there were beings in Atlanders who actually

41:10 shifted their state of consciousness into a different dimension, so they their escape was into a different dimension, not just into different physical location, and they both continued to exist. So you've got their ruptured version that just spread geologically and geographically and they still exists in Celtic countries. And then there's the ruptured version which is sentered into a higher state of consciousness and were operated from that. Now, for me, then Marlin would be kind of the meeting place of those two. That Marlin is both a raptured version of that and or a ruptured version of that that maybe in a lineage of people who escaped physically and landed in England and the Celtic world, you know,

41:48 and gave birth to this character and their raptured version that are very high soul, then descended and united with that incarnated version, just like Jesus did, you know, as a child of God, incarnating and identifying with the physical physical body. So for me, Marylin then represents not just for English spirituality, but for a global Celtic spirituality, the notion of the ruptured and the raptured meeting you and doing work together. So it's the incarnated archetype.

42:17 So Merlin. Was Merlin one person or was it multiple?

42:23 I think there were many different kinds of articulations, but that Merlin was a specific person and a specific period of English history that they articulated that, and was well known for his abilities and for his ability to interface between the dimensions. So yes, a real character and at the same time a kind of an archetype that was repeated elsewhere. Also maybe at the same time or different periods of human history.

42:50 What do you mean by repeated elsewhere?

42:51 And that Merlin was a kind of a particular incarnation in England that a specific period of time, but that other articulations of the same archetype of period, and maybe in India or Egypt, or among the Aztec community or the Mayan community in meso America, that articulates from many places. Wherever you get a profound mystical spirituality, kind of evolving planet ours, there's a Marlin character or a christ figure behind that movement.

43:18 Very true, very true. So do you think that because Merlin was known for his magic and his abilities? So is magic just simply forgotten science?

43:27 It is exactly Magic is the kind of the disconnect we have between the higher levels of ourselves and the lower levels of ourselves. And the example I gave is like when we don't use a gift, we lose it. Use it or lose it. So, for instance, when the little calculators were invented, and kids going to school couldn't adn't suppract anymore, they can't if you go the typical kid today, it goes into a shop with a five dollar bill and buys a barrel KitKat for a dollar fifty, you know, and the cashier has to hit the calculator to find out how much change dies I give them.

43:57 He can't take one fifty from five dollars to get fifty. So we've lost the ability to calculate. Because we developed calculators, we developed spell checking, and now nobody can spell anymore. We developed typewriters, and we can't write anymore. I look at letters I have from my father and that he wrote an ink to me and is perfect calligraphy. My grandmother was the same. I have some letters from her.

44:20 It's perfect calligraphy. That's what they learned in school. Now kids can't write. It's indecipherable what they write. So if you're not using a gift, you lose the gift. So I think what we think of as magic actually were abilities we had that we forfeited because we developed alternative kind of skill sets. So I have a belief system, for instance, that the story about the Tower of Babbel.

44:42 You remember this story that you know, the gods were jealous that humans were trying to reach heaven, so they came down and they're confused our tongue and that we who were speaking one language, are now speaking There are seven thousand languages on the planet right now. I don't believe that's what happened. I think that we were telepathic beings and the gods came down and they give us oral language.

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45:12 And we were so fascinated with it, and we've developed it so well. You know that we lost the ability to be telepathic, so the animals keep it. Some of the animals. Your dog at telepathy, and with that you're not and I'm not. And so when we when we don't use a gift, we lose the gift. So what looks like magic to us now was the kind of that was the norm then because people were in a state of consciousness. But that was their expectation, and that was their training, and that was the hereditary But we've lost it now and we think it's for instance, to our miracles real. If you ask me, do I believe in miracles? I would say to you, if you if you define miracle as kind of guide temporarily changing the

45:50 laws of the world in order to indulge the prayers of holy people, I would say, I don't believe in miracles. But if I were said to you, miracles happen because people understand that a much deeper level the laws of the universe, and we're able to employ them. So Jesus walking and water. Did he walk in water? I believe absolutely he did, so that he's accessing powers of the universe that the rest of us have lost. So it only looks like a miracle to us because we're not used to it happening. But the people who know the deeper meaning of the universe and the deeper laws of the universe and how to work with these laws, then magic is the norm for them.

46:25 Well, I mean, if you start to think about the technology that we have today, if we go back to nineteen eighty five and just pull out on a smartphone. I mean, we're magicians, you know, we're mystics. We're magicians. And if you go farther back, then it gets even wonkier and wankier. So I get that. I get that, and then all of these It seems to me that all of these avatars, all of these masters who walk the earth, who are sending masters and some walking to this day, seem to be as their consciousness continues to open and grow, they are able to tap into things that we have forgotten from inside. Is that correct?

47:05 I'm looking at the book behind you, paramhanse Organanda right behind you, and you listen to his life story and the kind of the gurus that he was in contact with, and the extraordinary powers that they kind of manifested. They're only extraordinary to us because we've lost the ability to utilize them, because we've cut ourselves off by our identification with our physicality rather than identification with our soul selves.

47:26 So I think that our job as human beings is to disidentify with lower versions of ourselves and re identify with higher levels of ourselves. So in the Hindu model, there are seven different levels of the body. There's the gross body, which is vibrating between infrared and untra violet between four hundred and seven hundred nanometers, and most of us identify with that. We think that's who we are.

47:50 And then at some stage we begin identify with our ego, and then at some stage we begin to identify with our ideas, and then at some stage we begin to identify with our professions. And we're not any of those things eight sized pieces of God who volunteered for incarnation. And so I think our job, every single one of us, is to give birth to God. There was a great famous statement by mister Eckhart in the thirteen hundreds. He was giving you a Christmas homily, and he said, of what use to me is it that my Savior was born in a virgin thirteen hundred years ago. If he's not born again in my time and in my heart, every single one of us is meant to be a mother of God. And Jesus said the very very same thing,

48:29 but we covered it up, you know. According to Luke's Gospel, Jesus said, you must be compassionate, as your heavenly father is compassionate. Now, Lucas writy in Greek. But Jesus was speaking in Aramaic, and the word compassion in Arabic is rachmim, and rach remim is the purel of the world for a womb. So here's what Jesus saying. You must be womb like as our heavenly Father. Except the word he was using was ab one in Aramaic, and ab one is the source of all that is. The birthing principle of the Cosmosis is not a male figure out of female character. It's the birthing principle of the cosmos. So here's what Jesus is really saying. If you're listening to me and Aramic, you must be womb like, as the

49:14 birthing principle of the cosmos is itself a womb. They say, you, me and you, you must be womb like. So you must be able to give birth to God. That's what we're here for, to give birth to God. But we can only give birth to God if we disidentify with our physical being. It's not to say that we abandon it, but that we don't identify. We kind of we kind of experience it, but we don't identify with it. Is Totia Tita a witnessing consciousness, and so again and again and again. The spiritual journey is the constant disidentification with lower versions who I think I am, until I identify with higher versions, until finally identify with my soul self, and then ultimately I realize I'm a bite sized piece

49:54 of God. I'm a wave that washed up temporarily on the beach. And now it's succeeding going back to the ocean, because there is on the ocean. There just an expression of the ocean. There is only the ocean. There is only God, and there is only love.

50:05 So then it's what Jesus said, which is everything I can do, you can do. And more so, he was trying to tell us that I'm not special. You can do this too. But I can only imagine. And I've had this conversation with others. But when Buddha walked the earth, when Christ walked the earth, when Zoeastron walked the earth, you know, and other masters, the frustration it must have been to try to explain. It's like talking to a five year old and explaining quantum physics. It just me thinking about it is infuriating, and them attacking him. And then you know, all of this kind of stuff throughout his career, his career, throughout his mission, throughout his life must have been infuriating because he had to speak in parables,

50:59 because I was the only wuage that could understand some basic stories, because if he actually went into the deep teachings, they would just be like they were so so far disconnected. So by him coming in and going through this light that lifetime, he was literally yanking humanity and pulling them up. All of these masters.

51:20 Do that right, absolutely So when I think of the life of Christ particularly, and I think of maybe the most horrific period of his life was the garden of Getsemoni where he sweated blood, or the carry of the cross, or the scourging of the pillar or the crucifixion, whatever, they were the kind of the most tortuous period of his life. But the most frustrating period of his life was at the Last Supper. I believe, Yeah, he's talking to these guys. He's going to be gone within twenty four hours and they still have no clue who he is.

51:48 A modest message was so he says, you know, I'm going to back to the Father. I'm going to send the Holy Spirit. So the same things I do, you will do an even greater just as you could it. They had no idea what you were talking about, and then said to me, no, you know, here you talking with the Father. She is the Father, and never be enough for us. I'm crazy. I've been with you for three lady years. Don't you realize when you see me, you see the Father, The fathers in me. I'm in the father. You're in me. You're in the Father. The father's in you. Don't you get that much.

52:18 It's it's quantum physics. Physics.

52:21 Yeah, And then one of them says, Tom, you know, lord, she was the way, Philip, if you see me, you see the way.

52:33 This is the way. The way is love.

52:35 But Sean, it's like and that's the thing is funny. These guys are the one that the Catholic religion is based on. These guys are the one, you know, because the Bible wasn't written while these guys moving around. It was written hundreds of years afterwards. Constantine and all of that going on. But wow, it's just the frustration I can only imagine. But that makes so much sense that the Last Supper, because they they had enough in them to understand that this was important and they had enough curiosity to follow this man, yes, but they didn't have the consciousness to put it in. I have to ask you, and this is part joke, but truly a question that I have to ask because I've seen this joke kind of flying around about the Bible, and I just think

53:31 it's hilarious to go, Well, if Jesus was a Persian right or Aramaic right, so he was not a white man by any stretch imagination. So from my understanding, was in Jerusalem and Iraq. The Middle East is basically where we're talking about. So if we're in the Middle East and there's a guy named Joshua walking around, where the hell did he meet Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John Like?

53:59 Those names are not Middle Eastern names. So I'm just curious from your research, are those names they changed them later or were there? Because that doesn't make any historical sense. Am I wrong?

54:11 Right? The part of the reason is that the Four Gospels, for instance, that one of them only one is not Jewish. Luke is not Jewish. He's the only non Jewish writer of the Scripture. In fact, anyone in scripture everything is written by by Jews some kind. Now, the names they're they're bastardized names. So for instance, the name Jesus, you know that was not James, Yes, sure, exactly, So the Jesus become the kind of the Greek version of that, And the same thing is true of the other names.

54:36 So John, for instance, John was a very very common name, Jochanan in in the in the Arabic, so be Jochanan, you know, are you? Mary would be Miriamu and so you kind if you change the spellings and the pronunciations of the words, but they're actually Jewish names in the original formats.

54:55 Yeah, okay, but thank you for thank you for clarifying that for for me and everybody, because it's it's it's a question. You're like, wait a minute, Mett Matthew, Like who what Middle Eastern guy is called Matthew? So what you brought up? Mary? For a second? Has Christianity forgotten the feminine face of God?

55:16 Hugely? Hugely? So? I mean I told the story years and years and years ago whenever was still part of the Catholic Church in Palowelto, and I nearly got thrown on at that stage for it. It didn't make any sense to me that women could not be Catholic priests. And the example I came up it was imagine it's like a month after Pentecost, Jesus has gone back to Spirits has come down, and Mary the mother of Jesus takes her cell phone and she phones Mary Magdala and she says, Mary, I'd like to go to Master today where Saint Peter saying mass and Mary mcdad, i'll fact shoot the kennedy at the location and she faxes mer in the location and they turned up and Peters said in the little room, and he's got an altar and

55:57 he's got us back to the people and he's saying massive in the people who crucified Christ is say massen in their language. And it comes to commune and he turns around with the host and he offers it, and Mary the mother of Jesus kneels down and sticks her tongue out, and Peter says, cot misus christy the body of Christ. So Peter can give Mary the body of Christ.

56:17 Mary is the woman who conceived, carried, gave birth to, and suckled Jesus himself and took his body down from the cross and create it. But she can't give Peter the body of Christ. Because she's only a woman. She couldn't be a Catholic priest. But Peter, who denied three times that he even knew who Jesus was, is giving Mary the body of Christ. And think how ludicrous is that that a woman because he's a woman, couldn't be a priest, but Peter could be a priest who denied Jesus three times. So the notion, this ridiculous notion, you know, that that women couldn't be priests. So we had to write women out of the Gospels very early on. And my theory about it is this, there's a passage actually in the Acts of the Apostles which most people don't

56:57 pay attention to, and it was that when after Pay to cast when the Apostles started preaching, hundreds of Jewish priests converted to the Jesus movement, hundreds of them. And there's a line in the scripture that says that many of the priests joined the Jesus movement. But we don't understand that. Now, what was the problem. You think, Wow, this is great, you know, this new movement is going to take off. Many of the priests now have become followers of Jesus, so it's going to really take off.

57:21 The problem was this, these guys come from a patriarchal system. Many of the communities of the Jesus movement were led by women, and these priests say, we can't have that. Nobody is going to take us seriously if we have women leaders. So we got to get get rid of that. Women can't be leaders, and any kind of mention of women's roles, you know in their letters where exchanging each other, they have to be taken out of it. Otherwise nobody's going to take us seriously. And so we wrote women out of the Gospels Honus completely, and we turned Mary of Magdala, you know, Christ's companion into a harlot, a repentant harlot. And so we had to write them out in order to be taken seriously, in order to be

57:58 acceptable to a patriot arctless society.

58:01 So it's basically a marketing.

58:03 Absolutely, yeah, you want to succeed, get the women out of the way. Nobody would take you seriously if you think they are women priests.

58:09 So yeah, because back then it was just not even considerable to think about it. But they did find the Lost Gospel of Mary Magdalene right, they found, they found, they have found gospels of Mary and Mary Magdalene.

58:22 Correct, there was one founded, There was eighteen ninety three and amongst grave in Egypt called the Gospel the Gospel of Mary, and many of the Gnostic gospels, you know, show Mary of Magdali in a very very different light as been very close to Christ, much much closer to Jesus than the others, because Mary got it merely understood, because Mary from a you know, Mary's relation to the Christ was from our heart, not from her head. The guys were listening with their ears, but they weren't listening with their heart. So she was getting it at a level that orderly transformed her, and they were getting that the level. And just confuse them difference with Pentecost, as this that Jesus spent three years trying to beat the

59:05 message into these knucklesms that couldn't get it. Pentecost came and the spirit was able to go straight to their heart. So now the people like Peter, who had been these dumbheads, now are eloquent preachers willing to give their lives for Christ. And they did because the spirit went straight to their heart.

59:21 It's poecast wisdom, not as knowledge, and so it's a radically different interaction with source. And from then on they're radically committed. They're eloquent, and they're fearless because the message is coming from their hearts now, not from their heads anymore.

59:36 There's right now, from my understanding, the two ladies that get a lot of attention is Mother Mary and Mary Maxdaline. Yes, but from my resource, there was also a grandmother. Jesus's grandmother was also another strong figure in his life. And what do you know about her?

59:56 So that's called Anne Anne. So his grandpriyers were Ann and Rackum. There's a there's an infancy Gospel of Jesus in which Ann plays a huge role and the mother of Mary, the grandmother of Jesus. And in this role, her husband is away on because of the nature's work for months, and they've been trying to conceive a child for years and years and years and had been unable to conceive.

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1:00:29 And finally, when her husband is away, an angel appears to her and tells her that she's going to conceive, and she does, and her husband is back and he finds his wife is pregnant, and is pregnant. Yeah, and there's a whole gospel written about what happens. And so when the Catholic Church definds the doctrine of the emactic conception, we think it means that Mary conceived Jesus without the state of original sin. That is not mactconception. The emaclan inception means that Mary herself was conceived without the stain of original sin. Now I don't believe in the north of original sin, but at least the Catley Church got that right. That Mary herself was a pure vessel, you know, that wasn't kind of a messed around by original sin

1:01:09 because she was conceived immaculately as a as Jesus was myself. And so there's this notion that this woman called Anne, the grandmother of Jesus, was also a preparatory stage, so that when Jesus came along, you know, in some senses, he hit the ground running that he was the result of too a macular conception, so that he wasn't kind of disfigured by original sin. So that's kind of the that was the theory behind it.

1:01:33 Yeah, the original sin idea is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Let me let's jump into John the Baptist for a minute, because John is another beautiful character in this story in general, and part of obviously the sole family that comes, because John is very important in Jesus's But can you explain a little bit about what the true source of John the Baptist is and how it's kind of been manipulated and changed over the years of the stories.

1:02:04 So it's very interesting that in Luke's Gospel, particularly, Luke set his gospel up in such a way that there's a parallel between John and Jesus. At the beginning. You know, Elizabeth, the mother of John, conceives in maculately. She has a vision from an angel as well, you know, and Mary conceives himmaculately, And so there's a parallel the first two chapters of Luke's Gospel between events around the the infant Jesus and the infant John. So their cousins, obviously Elizabeth and Mary are cousins. And so there's this beautiful story in Luke's Gospel called the magnificat My soul magnifies the Lord, learning that as a child, my spirit rejoiced in God, my savior. So there are very many different translations that

1:02:44 Luke is writing in Greek. But the translation I love is my soul magnifies the Lord. There's another translation that says my soul glorifies the Lord, but I prefer the magnification one for this reason. When I was a small boy, my father had a motorbike two fifty cc bsa a motorbike that he went to work and every day. We lived about six miles from the town, and he drove in on his motorbike every day. And so one day I discovered a magnifying glass. It had fallen out of my grandmother's eyeglasses, and my father's motorbike was sitting outside the door. And I went around and I was playing around the magnifying glass, and I set fire to some straw, and then I set fire to some paper, and then my father's motorbike, it was a plastic saddle. I set

1:03:25 fire to the saddle, and the saddle's on fire, and my father rushes out, claps me upside the head and gets water and throws on top of the fire because they were blown up as motorbike and for the first time ever I understood magnify. Here was the son ninety three million miles away, and I could not set fire to my father's motorbike on its own. It needed me at an endimisery with a piece of glass that focused the rays of the sun on the motorbike and then it set fire to it. And that's what Mary was saying.

1:03:52 That Mary was selling my soul magnifies God. Now what was it? Obviously Mary was just a human being, so how could she make God bigger? She wasn't. She was focusing the rays of God's love on specific targets. Now you know what a magnifying glass is. You have to get the folk length correct. If it's too far away, the rays have focused and then they're diverging again. If it's too close, the rays haven't concentrated enough. So you have to get the exact folkal length in order to optimize its effect. So that's what Mary is saying. I am God's eyeglass. I'm focusing God's love in such a way that you know, I'm setting the world on the world on fire. So that was her great and that was her great gift. And so when she visits her cousins,

1:04:33 Elizabeth and Elizabeth said, who am I that the mother of my Lord should visit me? And then Mary says, my soul magnifies God. I'm here as God's eyeglass to focus God's love on planet Earth. And then Elizabeth says, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, this child in my womb leaped for joy. So it's like the two babies were recognizing each other. So the God in Mary and the God in Elizabeth recognize each other.

1:04:58 John the Baptist, no Row, and Jesus recognize each other. Oh my God, we contracted to come in at the same time as part of a cohort that was going to set the foot the world on fire, and our mothers were the magnifying glasses that may not happen. So you've got this external relationship between them in Utero. And then John the Baptist became a kind of ansin abe if he was an essene and lived really kind of in the desert, living on honey and locusts and wild honey, and was dressed just in camel here, and so they had very few encounters. But then Jesus, when he came back from his journeying you know, at the age of thirty, he began his official ministry by having John his cousin, baptize him in the Jordan, and the baptism was kin

1:05:40 of the year, then the symbol of I'm ready for my mission right now. So he's baptized by his cousin, because off into the desert for forty days where he endures final temptations. And then I'm ready for my mission. I've learned from Zoraster, I've learned from Egypt, I've learned from Buddhism, I've learned from Hinduism, I've learned from the Essenes.

1:05:57 And now I'm ready to start my work. And then he starts his ministry. So John and he are really really together. Now there's a final thing, the story that I made up myself years and years ago, and it is this John was beheaded, as you know. So John was put in jail by Herod because Herod had married his brother Philip's wife and was living with her, and that he had she had a daughter called Salome, who was a seductive dancer. And Salome danced for Harrod's birthday and Herold, who was in his cups, made a promise as he want and I'll give it even half more kingdom.

1:06:33 I'll give you a half mar kingom. And she goes through mother and says what I asked her, And the one says, the head of John the Baptist on a plate. And she goes back to her and says, here's what I want, the head of John the Baptist and the plate. And Herrod sobers up really really quickly. What's he going to do? Everybody's heard him? So he sends the jailren they behead John and bring the head back in the plate.

1:06:54 Now go back eight hundred and fifty years, and at that stage there's a prophet in Israel call the Elijah. And at at this stage there's a princess called Jezebel, and she's married in Israeli. The Jewish prince called Ahab has married to her, and she introduced all the foreign gods into the country. And so Elijah comes along and he has he has a contest offering with the prophets of bal on top of Mount Carmel, and he says, the God, who is really God, will make her sacrifices.

1:07:28 And you called on your God to set fire truth, and I called on my God to set fire to my Holocaust, and we see God, which God wins. And so the pagan priests are dancing around the altar and they've started their bull and they're chanting, and the sticking knives in themselves, drying blood, and nothing happens. And Elidia said, out of the way, and now we see who the real God is. He says, God, your God, you know your God. I know your God. Do your thing lately hits the Holocaust and the explodes. And then Elijah says, grab them. And they grabbed four hundred and fifty prophets of bal And known to the river Jabbok, and they cut off their heads. And Jessma says, may my God do such and such to me if by this time

1:08:07 tomorrow I don't have your head. And she waits eight hundred and fifty years, you know, as the Italians, the Matthia says, revenge is a dish best serah. Yeah, So she waits one hundred and fifty years. She comes back as as Herod's Herodious. Herod comes back as Herod. I. Now he's gonna She's gonna have John the Baptist's head.

1:08:31 So he came back as John the Baptist, a lager comes back as John the Baptist, and now they're they're leveling the score. So that was my theory of John the Baptist. When he got beheaded, it was karma wow.

1:08:47 So let me ask you this. From my studies of the Bible, I found it very interesting that Jesus the New Testament in the Old Testament are absolutely two very different gods. And I'm finally fascinating that they put both of those two, you know, basically the Torah or version of the Torah and this New Testament and Yahweh is very different god than the God that Jesus speaks to.

1:09:16 What is your understanding of why those two? Is it just another marketing ploy to be like, hey, hey, Jews, come over, look we have years in here, but this is the new stuff that we added the sequel. Is that what it was? Because on a logical standpoint, reading it, you're just like, first of all, I don't even know who the Yahweh. This guy Yahweh's really petty, angry, vindictive, he's just and sometimes just evil at some of the things he does in that where the one that I don't think and please forgive me if I'm wrong. I don't think Christ ever even said anything about I follow yahweh, he follows the Father, My father is what he said.

1:09:54 I don't think he said. He might have, I'm not sure. So what are your thoughts on that combination?

1:10:01 I wrote? I wrote a whole book on an addicts. It's called setting, Yeah, it's called setting God free, moving beyond the kind of the fabrication that we created. And so I went through the whole thing. I had a court case in which I put Jave on trial. I had a prosecution and had a defense, and I had Bible scholars and psychologists and contract lawyers and mythologists, you know, and geneticists on both sides of it. And the final verdict was that the God who was on trial was a figment of our own imagination, that we fashioned the God in our own image and likeness, the good parts and the and the bad parts. Now why is it included?

1:10:36 I think it's included because when you look at the evolution of our spirituality, in order to understand, you know, the message of Jesus, you have to understand what he was kind of where he was coming from. And so it's like you can't you know, create a future by ignoring your past. We can't destroy our history in order to grow into our into our future. So yeah, we have to acknowledge at one stage, you know, I was putting in my pants. I was six months old. At another stage, I was in high school. Another stage, I was you know, in Africa. And so we can understand we can only navigate the future by understanding the past from which we come. And so it becomes very important to me that we retain a record of our entire

1:11:14 journey to understand exactly, you know, the mistakes we've made, the progress we've made, you know, the tendency to repeat all mistakes, and then we have a record of what happened when we did it in the past. So it becomes really important for me that we not get rid of any part of this document. The entire scriptural tradition is the history of the evolution of spirituality. And to understand where we're headed and what the invitation is, we have to understand where we've come from and the mistakes we've made. Otherwise, you know, we're starting from you know, we're stand with a blank slate and we have no idea what we're going to write.

1:11:46 Well, let me ask you one of my favorite another favorite topic of mine is when I discovered this, this really shaped shook my world. And a lot of people don't know know about this part of the New Testament, but you know when my friend said, no one ever leaves Christianity because of Jesus, they leave because of Paul. Now, Paul is such an interesting figure in this story because he never met Jesus. Him and Peter did not get along.

1:12:22 He originally did not like Jesus and actually wrote tons of stuff against Jesus, then had some sort of epiphany or met Jesus in some way a vision, and then became a marketing machine. Where then when Constantine put the Bible together, he's like, ooh, this Paul guy's got some good stuff. Let's start bringing all his letters in. And on top of it, it's not even Paul's letter, it's actually his Disciples letter. A lot of like his interpretations of Paul's letters that get into the Bible. If I'm incorrect in any of this, please correct me. But I find it fascinating how most of the dogma that we have a problem with, if not all of it, comes from Paul. Is that correct?

1:13:03 So it's a Paul is a very complicated character. As you imagine. He's a pharisee to begin with, he died in the world pharisee and who said or actually to go to Damascus to kind of wipe out the Christian community in Damascus. And then has a vision of Jesus on the way and he's struck blind and he's told to go to a particular house and he's blind for three days, and he says to the Jesus has in Paul or he call him Saul, which his first name, Saul, Why are you persecuting me? And Paul says them, who are you? And he says, I am Jesus, and you're persecuting me. Go to the house of Annonaeus and I will show you the truth. So Paul has a visionary experience and he does a vulti fact one I. Now he becomes a fervent disciple of this Jesus character. Now,

1:13:45 Paul is a highly educated character. So when you read Princess Paul's letters in Greek, he speaks really top class. He's ready in top class Greek. When you look at Princess Mark or even John, their Greek actually is very poor. You know, and so he's a very highly educated guy. No, he takes to this work. The problem is that there are twenty seven letters in the New Testament, between the Gospels, Book of Revelation and the Letters twenty seven of them, and thirteen of them are ascribed to Paul, but it is only seven of them are definitely Pauline. The other six were made up by people who spoke in his name, and that was quite common in at those times. If you want your work to be promulgated, you pretend it's

1:14:22 written by a very famous character, and then your book sells go up. And so probably if the thirteen letters ascribed him, only six, maybe or seven are actually Paul's letters. So that's the first differentiation. If you take out the other ones, there's a very different Paul emerges from the ones which really ascribed to him. You coupled out with the fact that Paul is talking to a variety of Greek, mainly Greek speaking communities, and each community is having their own particular issues, and Paul is addressing specific kinds of issues.

1:14:52 So he's not offering a one size fits all message about Jesus. He's saying, here's the church in current and here's the crap that's going on in your community, and here's what need to tell you about that. You know, people are getting drunk during the euchars literally, you know, instead of regarding as a eucoustic mean, they're literally kind of picking out on the food and drink. So he's dealing with isolated incidents in every one of these cities.

1:15:13 So he's writing on specific topics to various different communities, and so you have to take that into an account as well. He hasn't just got one particular message that he is permitting to everybody. And of course he had his differences with Peter, but as part of what's happening is Paul is reaching out to a non Jewish audience, whereas Peter, you know, is dealing with a Jewish audience who've kind of joined the Jesus movement. So they got a very very different agenda.

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1:15:49 So when the very first comest to the church was called was called in the year forty nine a d and it was called to address an issue that was raised by Paul. Paul is now converting thousands of you know, Gentiles to the Jesus movement. So he comes back to Jerusalem and they have a council and there's only one agenda on the one heisman. The agenda if Gentiles decide to be followers of Jesus, do they have to become Jewish first? In others, do they have to get circumcised with their men? And do they have to keep quotial laws?

1:16:21 And that was the entire council. And finally, you know, everybody gave their opinion, and Paul gave his opinion. And it's interesting that James, who was the brother of Jesus, stood up at the end. Peter gave his opinion, John gave his opinion, Paul gave his opinion, but James gave the decision. He didn't say it is my opinion. He said, it is my decision. We've listened to our brother Paul, We've listened to Peter, we listened to John. It is now my decision. Because it was James, the brother of Jesus, that actually took over the Young Jesus movement after the resurrection in Pentagons, and james decision was we should not impose on gentile people laws that we ourselves were unable to keep, so no need for we don't impose coatial

1:16:58 laws and they don't have to get circumcised. And so Paul goes backward and says, say, yeah, I see, I told you guys, we're good to go. You don't have the kindestical restrict your food choices, or you don't have to get circumcised. And so in some senses, Paul is dealing with a very very different community organization. So he's pitching his message to a Greek speaking gentiles, whereas the others are dealing to the Jewish father words of Jesus Christ.

1:17:23 So we can kind of vilify Paul and said that he had totally different agenda, and in some senses he did, because he was dealing with very different audiences with very different kinds of problems. And if you can separate the stuff he really wrote from the stuff attributed to him, then a different picture begins to emerge.

1:17:38 And who was his disciple? Was it Mark?

1:17:41 Look?

1:17:42 Look it was Luke?

1:17:42 Right?

1:17:43 So then look between Luke and Paul. That's a lot of the New Testament two.

1:17:49 And as Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke, and he wrote the Acts of the Apostles, so they would be regard actually two parts of the same book. But so there are twenty seven books in the New Testament, So look, would you responsible and for two of them, for the Gospel of Luke and the actual the Apostles, so the other twenty five and.

1:18:05 Paul would be QUI, well, he would six or seven, but then they but they attribute.

1:18:10 More than that, thirteen thirteen, ten.

1:18:13 That's so that's a substantial cho Almost half of the New Testament. Yeah, is all is a lot of Paul. So the dogma aspects of Christianity, did they did? They truly come from Paul? A lot of them, like the original Sin, like l like all of that.

1:18:29 And in fairness, I don't think you did. Because Paul is coming from a Jewish background. There wasn't a Jewish notion of Hell in the sense of which Catholics no, So Paul would not be promoting the notion of Hell in that sense. He reported the notion of what happens when you separate yourself from the truth. And so it's like he would use the notion of Hannah. So Gahnnah was the fire pit outside Jerusalem where they bush burned all the rubbish. And so when Christ says, you know, he talks about Gahennah, he's talking about people, you know, burning with their kind of own passions, are on their lack of love or whatever. He's not talking about a pace of eternal damnation. He's talking about what happens to

1:19:04 the to the psyche, you know, which is which is looking only at worldly success and worldly domination and lust and you know, money and stuff like that, that you're burning, your desires are burning your soul. Un you come to the realization, you know, that only love is real. So Paul would certainly, I don't believe, probably be promoting a notion of eternal damnation.

1:19:25 And what and reincarnation was originally in the original teachings.

1:19:29 Right, Yeah, So there's a very for me, there's a very interesting notion in the teaching of Jesus even so, for instance that the week before he died, he goes up at the top of Mount Tibor, you know, and he has an encounter allegedly with Moses and with Elijah. Now Moses represents the Law and Elijah represents the prophets.

1:19:48 So the Hebrew scriptures are divided too three parts. There's the Law, the prophets and the writings. So the laws are to Moses, the prophets and are these charismatic characters, and the writings were kind of literature dealing with kind of eschaological issues. And the Hebrews scriptures had these three parts, but Moses represented one part, of Elijah represented the other.

1:20:09 And so Jesus has this encounter where Moses and Elijah pure to him. Now, Moses, if he existed, is dead twelve hundred and fifty years, and Elijah, if he existed, is dead eight hundred and fifty years. So you know, how could they encounter them. On the way back down from the mountain, there are three disciples with Jesus. There's Peter, James, and John. They're coming down and one of them says to them, why do the scriptures say that before the Messiah comes, Elijah has to come back? And Jesus says, Elijah has already come back and they didn't recognize him.

1:20:41 And then in parentheses in Matthew's Gospel says, here Jesus was talking about John the Baptist. So for Jesus, he's claiming that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah. There's another passage in John's Gospel. Think it's bout chapter nine for Jesus coming out of the city of Jericho, and there's a blind beggar city at the gate begging for arms, and the disciples say to Jesus, why was this man born blind? Was it because of his own sin?

1:21:07 Or become the sin of his parents? So a country judaism of the time, You know that all illness are all poverty is the result of God's displeasure with somebody for some sin they've committed. Either they committed the sin or their parents committed the sin. Now, how could the disciples ask you whose sin caused this man's blindness? Was it his parents sin or his own sin? If there's no reincarnation, how could his own sin cause him to be born blind? No, if he had gone born blinded is twenty five said, Yeah, he was living a terrible life for the first twenty four years of his life.

1:21:38 But he could be born blind because of his own sin meant obviously that it was a sin in a previous incarnation, which you know he was learning a lesson of some kind. Now, I don't believe that actually that karma is a punitive mechanism whereby we are punished and subsequent incarnations for since we've committed in previous incarnations. Rather, it is a contract we make to commit to life to try to learn the lessons we didn't under the last time round. So it's a self imposed you know, kind of not a sentence, but an opportunity. It's an educational possibility, you know, all of these things. And so Christ is saying, then this man chose to come back in a blind state because there was a lesson he needed to learn. But it certainly wasn't that he was

1:22:18 a sinner, or it wasn't because his parents were sins and they give back to a blind sin. So there's plenty of evidence even in the New Testament if you look deeply, that Christ believed in reincarnation and taught it even.

1:22:30 But the concept of sin as well doesn't make a lot of sense as a general statement. If you believe in reincarnation, then there I believe it's kind of like a balancing like it's an opportunity to balance. Just just the way the universe works, it's always an equal ying, ying all that kind of stuff. So the concept of sin is it seems almost ludicrous to me.

1:22:52 Well, it's a very important thing because sin, properly understood literally means missing the mark. So I don't know if you've ever been in an English pub. Have you ever played darts?

1:23:00 Yes?

1:23:01 Yeah, So you know, you stand back and you throw darts at the board and depending where the dark lands, you readjust your aim to try to get the bull's eye. Now, I suppose I want to hang a cloth between you and the dart board and there's a gap over it, and I ask you to throw the darts over the cloth to try to hit the mark. You're getting no feedback whatsoever, so you can't improve your aim, So that the sin means missing the mark, so as to identify your what I need to change in my behavior. So sin is not a punitive mechanism. Sin is feedback literally on previous efforts, so I can improve my aim. And so the notion of perfection. Then, when Jesus says you must be perfect as your heavening fathers are perfect, the

1:23:41 word he's used in Greek is tell us, from which we get the English word teleology, and teleology means to be attracted to a goal. So perfection is the pursuit of you know, in some senses of the mission. That perfection is not a stainless steel sinlessness, is the radical commitment to the mission for which I volunteered and said send me. That's what perfection is. No matter how times they follow him, I mean the high times they follow my touch. I picked myself up and they walk agin that's perfection, And I'm radically committed to the mission from which I volunteered. It's like a little maybe learning to stand, and you're going to fall in this touch and he picks himself up, and he falls again. He picks himself

1:24:20 up and then find he can stand, and then he can take a few steps, and then he can walk, and then it can run. You know that. We keep trying until we learn how to work these physical bodies verse. So perfection is not a stainless deal sinlessness. It is the radical commitment to the purpose for which I said, yes, send me. And the sind down is the feedback mechanism that allows me to adjust my aim.

1:24:41 You brought Moses up a little bit ago. He's also a very interesting character in the scope of these stories. To my understanding, the Bible says that Moses lived with like nine hundred years or something along those lines.

1:24:54 No, one hundred and twenty.

1:24:55 Was one hundred and twenty. Okay, one hundred and twenty.

1:24:57 That's all it was, right, So you are dres Adam left to be nine hundred and twelve and Matos lived nine hundred and seventy nine.

1:25:04 Yeah, that's where I got the nine hundred. I was confused. So do you believe that we are capable our bodies are literally capable of this or is this just mythology?

1:25:15 I think it is possible, you know. I think that the ways in which we've in inhabited these physical space suits of ours and the lifestyle we've kind of committed ourselves to, you know, that may have been pre programmed. Now I'm going to go away out and a limb here. I believe that what are called very often the gods in the in the Old Testament are actually extraterrestrials who come down and modified us, like the Ananaki story, and then at one stage that they've they've messed around with our DNA, and that we were originally kind of created to live much much longer lives, but that because of our behavior and our noisiness. According to the Sumerian scriptures, that they said, you know, this is intelligle. We count of these guys

1:25:54 for neighbors living nine hundred years, let's shorten their lifespan to one to one hundred and score one hundred and twenty years of age. And so that's actually said in the Book of Genesis that henceforward, I will shorten your lifestyle at one hundred and twenty years. So I think that it's possible that the spacesuits we initially inhabited were capable of much much longer lifestyles. But that you know, they switched the gene the gene code somewhere, and there's evidence that, you know that of the twenty three human genes, that there has been a slip, that something has been excised and has been joined up, and so that there was some modification done to the human genome to kind of reduce our lifespan. So I think it's possible that

1:26:34 if we could correct that genetically, or if we could change our lifestyle somewhere, or if we could elevate our consciousness if we wanted to, we could experience much longer lifetimes in these spacesuits. The question asked myself is why the hell would I want to do that? Yeah? Really want one hundred and twenty more years of this crab?

1:26:52 Yeah, pick a ball, a lot of pickaball at lot of pickleball, twenty years. Yes, it's it's fascinating. And so Moses is a character I wanted to just go back to Moses really quickly as a character. He was also he's essentially an ascended master as well. He was a master that walked the earth. Was he an incarnate of any of the masters that we know? Because I mean he's a major, He's a major figure in the Fallacism?

1:27:21 How many? How many herises do you want from one podcast?

1:27:24 Many?

1:27:25 Sir?

1:27:25 I would like as many heresies as possible. We're all going to hell just for having this conversation, or Annya Edy, what was it called the Hannah? We're all going to Kehenna anyway, so might as well.

1:27:36 So in this last book I wrote, which is called Setting Godfree, Moving beyond the Chricater, we create a neural image. I make the claim that Moses never existed. Moses is a fabrication. And the reason is this, Moses doesn't appear anywhere outside the scriptures until three hundred years after, after after Jesus, after his alleged death. It appears in the Greeks around the time Alexander the Great now Moses legend lived twelve hundred and fifty BC, so for nine hundred years there's no mention of this character card Moses outside it.

1:28:08 But when you look at how the scripture is actually written, there are four sources for the scriptures. They're called by scholars, J, E, P and D. J are the books in which God is called Yahweh, and J and Y are the same in German because the scholars were German. He is the eloistic tradition where God is called Ylohim, which just means the powerful ones. And it's pural. It's not a singular, it's a pure noun Ylohim, the powerful ones. You know.

1:28:34 He was the heloistic Yellowheim. Then you have P, which is the priestly document, which is written by the priests, you know, and D with the deutonomic books, which were the books of the law. And these books were written at very very different stages, you know, and they have to invent a character in whose mouth they're going to put this law giving. So they invent this character called Moses.

1:28:56 And so when you look at the books were written during the Babylonian captivity, at a stage of Jewish history when they were actually in exile in Babylon. They'd been taken by the Babylonian Empire in the year five eighty nine BC and exiled to Babylon, and then the Persians overcame the Babylonians in the year five thirty nine BC and set a remnant of the Jews back to the land of Israel, where they rebuilt the Temple. But in the meantime they're desperately trying to hold the two remaining tribes together because the ten Northern tribes had been destroyed in seven twenty one BC by the Assyrian Empire, which was then conquered by the Babylonians, which was then conquered by the Persians, which is then conquered by the Greeks.

1:29:34 And so in the middle of all this you have a group of exiles actually in Babylon, longing for their freedom. So they invent this liberated character called Moses. And so in some senses, Moses is the archetype of the liberator, the most important liberator of all. So they create this story about somebody who liberated them from Egypt. They were never in Egypt. You know the story that they escaped, and according to the text, there were six hundred and three thousand, five hundred and fifty soldiers as part of the group who escaped from Egypt. Now soldiers are between the ages of eighteen and sixty, so it must me.

1:30:08 And there was about two million people escaped, and they're wandering in the desert for forty years, and Egypt owns the desert, the entire desert right up to Turkey, and that two million people are wandering in the desert for forty years and the Egyptians didn't notice. So it's totally fictitious. But I provided kind of a hero character who actually had to get them out of real slavery, you know, and real captivity. In five hundred and twenty nine.

1:30:36 BC will be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show. So he's basically a Superman character, a badman character. He's it's Spider Man. He's a hero that can teach you the lessons that needed to be taught. So it's just basically the hero's journey.

1:31:01 What exactly. Yeah, he's the he's the avatar of the he's the avatar of the Liberator par excellence, its functions to act as a liberating figure, to give them kind of hope that they can survive exile in Babylon. They invent this fictitious archetype of Moses the Liberator.

1:31:18 No Noah was Noah as well.

1:31:21 It's hard to know Noah's really Obviously Noah is borrows from the Sumerian gost texts. So a lot of the Book of Genesis is actually a reworking of Sumerian writings, which predate them by two thousand years. And so you've got a character called Zeusudra in the in the kind of the Sumerian scriptures, who built an arc and saved civilization.

1:31:45 He's called Zeusudra, and now he's called he's called Noah in the Genesis version. So they're borrowing, you know, texts from neighboring mythologies to kind of articulate their own experience of life in Israel.

1:31:59 And it wasn't wasn't Buddha's life in a lot of ways, there was certain things about Buddha's story that Jesus' story in the Bible grabbed onto. Am I wrong on that?

1:32:10 Yeah, Well, there are two things going on there. Of course, you're going to borrow from one culture to another. There's also the truth that there are archetypes. He was getting incarnated in various different cultures, and if it's the same archetype getting incarnated, they will have many in the same kinds of attributes, And so very very often they at routes have to do with alter states of consciousness, significant birth experiences, like according to the Buddhas scriptures, the Buddha was born nine months after his mother had a vision in which an elephant's tusk spired her abdomen and she conceived the Buddha. So it's again of a miraculous conception there, and Jesus is em actually conceived. So very very often

1:32:48 you're going to borrow archetypes and use them to understand the lives of real, actual historical characters.

1:32:55 Interesting. Interesting, Sean, I can I could talk to you for days, for dates, and you, as you said earlier, you're Irish, so you can talk. I'm Cuban and I can talk, sir. I've been doing this for almost eleven years now, so we could keep I mean, I could just go down rabbit holes after rabbit hole after rabbit hole with you, Sean, Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing.

1:33:16 In the world. So a group of friends of mine, I actually revamped my website. It's really beautiful now. It's interactive so you can actually ask questions and anything I've spoken about over the last sixty years is contained there. All of my teachings, all of my homilies, all of my liturgies are available for free for everybody, and it's completely interactive and it is spirits in spacesuits dot com.

1:33:40 So if they access that, they'll have access to all my material, all my books out there. Yeah, so all the books I've written, I provided PDF copies so people don't have to buy them, that can go straight and download themselves.

1:33:53 And Sean, finally, what gives you hope for humanity? Right now as we are awakening.

1:33:59 Paper like ex Ferrari, I'm there. I've come across so many people over the last five years, particularly who are the new wave, you know, who are spirit feeled beings who are not losing hope. Rather they're engendering trust that people can listen to them being put in contact with the resources. And you know, before we started, you spoke about a new resource you've just created.

1:34:20 Yeah, yeah, mastery, Yeah, next levels all mastery, right.

1:34:23 Exactly, That's what because me. It's not hope, because hope is kind of a kind of an expectation of the of the the impossible. It's trust, the realization it is going to happen. So I don't say I'm hopeful. I say I'm trusting. I know it's going to happen. It's any question of timing.

1:34:40 Yeah, Sean, it is a pleasure and honor speaking to you. As always. I cannot wait for one day for you and I to finally meet, Sir. You have to get down to Austin so we can shoot. We have we can have a conversation in person and do a five It will be five hours easily, without question. But my friend, I appreciate you and every thing you're doing to awaken this planet. So thank you, my friend, and thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this episode at next levelsoul dot com.

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