Teen Mom Drama, Loyalty, Accountability, and Delusion with Naomi Luxe

0:02 All right, everyone. Welcome to Off the Record with Ray Clark. I have a special guest. If you guys don't know her already, her name is Naomi Lux. Uh, you guys can find her on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, literally all socials, YouTube, right? You have YouTube?

0:21 Mm-hmm.

0:22 Awesome. So um, so you guys can find her literally on all socials. Uh Naomi and I have known each other I think since a little after I started TikTok.

0:35 Yeah, almost two years.

0:37 Yeah, that's that's a minute.

0:39 Right.

0:41 That's a minute. But um, thank you. Thank you for for coming on. I'm excited to have you.

0:47 Thank you for having me on.

0:49 Yeah, so uh Naomi, go ahead and tell tell everyone like how you started, like how you started social media.

1:00 So I was a stay-at-home mom, broke as hell, and I didn't know what to do. I was just like, I gotta do something. And I felt like social media was the easiest avenue because you know, with the kids, like I could easily do it from home. At first, I started with a skincare line, and I gave up on that so quick.

1:21 Like, I did it for like a month, and then I was like, okay, let me pivot. I tried to do stay-at-home mom content, I wasn't feeling that. I was like, Oh, I don't like how many saves my kid is getting on this video. Like, that was kind of scary. So then that's when I started talking about like pop culture.

1:40 Like, I was experimenting with different topics, and then it started taking off. My first video that went viral was about Keith Lee.

1:50 Was about who?

1:52 Keith Lee, the food influencer.

1:56 I've never heard of him.

2:00 Oh yeah, yeah. Y'all gotta let her know in the comments if you know about Keith Lee. But like one of the most popular food influencers. But yeah.

2:10 Like, what do you think it was that that it went off? What happened? What were you talking about?

2:14 I have I have no idea because when I watched the video back, it's so cringe. Like, there's like a whole bunch of pauses in the video, so I don't know how it went viral, but the topic itself was crazy because he went to Atlanta and like his whole thing is if he goes to your restaurant, it's gonna blow up.

2:33 So this restaurant, they didn't recognize who his crowd or like the people he was with, they didn't recognize them, and they were like, we're closed, even though online it said it was it was open, and then they were like mopping the floor while they were trying to like get some food. It was just like very unprofessional, like he had a bad experience at that restaurant, and I believe no, he didn't get any food at all.

3:01 It was a food review with no food, and then boom, I talked about it. I'm like, yo, how would you fumble that bag? Because he would have blessed your restaurant, and then it just went viral. Like, I don't even know if that restaurant's still open at this point.

3:16 Wow, that's insane. I like I I honestly I think it's your commentary. Like, you know how to give very good, like you know how to give light shade. It's like funny light shade, and I think that because you know how to do that so well, people are like, yes, like I can get I can get behind this.

3:39 Even at that moment, I was going crazy though. I feel like now I've toned it down because I'm like, why are these people watching my video? Like, I wasn't expecting like people from Team Mom or like these quote unquote celebrities to actually watch the video. But once I noticed that, and I'm like, these are human beings with feelings too.

3:58 Let me tone it down. Because I was talking reckless when I first started like that video that went viral. I was like, everybody should have got fired. Like, why would I say that? Like, come on.

4:11 Wow, I love that you have grown throughout this time. I have not, I am still very reckless.

4:19unknown Right.

4:21 It's so bad. You know, I'm always getting into trouble. Oh, but that's that's so cool. So you so you transitioned into like teen mom pop culture. What would you say um in regards to pop culture? Like, what did you say was the like the video that hit for you that you were like, you know what? Like, let me just keep doing this.

4:45 So when I first started posting pop culture consistently, it's like my niche was all over the place. And if you're not a content creator, you might not understand it, but like you have to be really niche on TikTok. So, but I would still go viral, like let's say once a month. I would get a video that hits a million views.

5:06 And four months in when I finally got monetized, it was the same time when I was like, I forgot what was happening with Janelle, but she was the first person I did where I'm like, let me recap Janelle. No, actually, it wasn't Janelle, it was Kale. I did like because before I had a um like this many followers, I did Kale before.

5:32 I was like, yo, Kale, how you got four baby daddies and seven kids? Like, you got a lot of money, you know. So that was my first, that was when she had the the twins. I made that video, right? So, recap, I kind of made a similar video of that just talking about her life because people were still commenting on that old video.

5:52 I'm like, give her, give her some slack, like and you know, I started explaining her baby daddies. I was like, the first one don't really count, the second one. I mean, he kind of counts, but he don't really count because they were married, right? And then the third one, you know, she was heartbroken, like so that was like my video.

6:10 So people really like that one. Then I did Janelle next. Then from Janelle, uh and I had an idea in my mind where I was like, okay, at the end of the video, I'm gonna name the next person that I'm gonna do. So I was like, oh, don't get me started on Farah, and then I did Farah. So from there, like I gained maybe like 40,000 followers, like just from that series alone.

6:36 Like it was going like every time I woke up, I would scroll. I'm like, I went from 10,000, 20,000, 30,000. So that was a crazy time, and that happened.

6:47 Doesn't it? It's like mind blowing, right? Like when you're when like your following just keeps going up and up, and you're just like, uh my wife got annoyed with me because I was like, look, babe, look, it's at it's at this mouth. Look, look, it's at the she was like, okay, okay, okay, you're good.

7:03 Okay, you're getting followers. That's cute, but I was just super grateful, like, because to me it changed my um it did change my life, but it changed my mindset because I was like, Oh, I can do anything. Like, if I could do this, this is like one of the hardest things. People are judging you, people talking shit about you.

7:24 But if I could do this, like, why not go for anything? Go for my dream shit.

7:30 Do it, yeah, exactly. I agree with you. I believe that social media has definitely and can change people's lives, right? Like, sometimes for the better, and sometimes like not, right? I've seen uh and I'm sure that you've seen where content creators will be on TikTok and they have maybe a million followers or more, and then out of nowhere, it's like it they like plummet.

7:56 You do one thing, you just have to do one thing wrong, and that it just goes downhill.

8:04 I think it comes with a little bit of self-sabotage, and um like there's this creator, which is crazy because he also got canceled at some point, right? Um, brand, brand flank, something like that. And he said, if you want to be a content creator, you need to do therapy at the same time, especially as you start blowing up, because you don't realize how much of a like this is not normal to have like okay, right now I have like 90,000 followers, right?

8:37 That's an insane amount to think about, or even if you have a viral video, a million people imagine people get 15 million views. That's an insane amount of people to be looking at you. So if you're not taking care of your mental health, where sometimes they let these things go to their head and like, or maybe they get too comfortable, they're not constantly like researching and growing, where something that might have worked a couple years ago it might not fly today.

9:07 So you have to like stay with the times and like and even people are just gonna attack you for no reason, you have to be able to handle that as well.

9:16 Right, that's so true. I didn't even think about that. When you have millions of viewers looking at like watching you, it it does, it does take a toll and it can, especially um like when I had first started, I I was very much a people pleaser. I'm trying not to be as much, but very much a people pleaser.

9:40 So when I started, it was like, oh my gosh, like they're happy with me, but you know, there were you I and you know me, like I can't help but look at like the negative comments, so I'm looking at those and I'm like, What I don't know what to do, like what do I do? How do I fix this, you know? And and um so yeah, I I agree.

10:03 Making sure that your mental health is taken care of, it it's should be a priority if you're doing content creating.

10:11 And honestly, I I'm not there yet. I'm quick to delete a video. As soon as I see the comments going left, I'll delete a comment real quick. I'll delete a video. Fuck it. Y'all don't understand where because I always when I make a video, I try to come from the best intentions. Like, even if you might not agree with it, just know it wasn't any maliciousness or whatever.

10:31 I'm just providing a perspective. So when I see people don't understand what I'm saying or whatever, I'm like, forget about it. I'm not gonna explain myself, I'm just deleting the video.

10:41 I there are times where people will take what I say, and and I get it. Sometimes the way that I word things, it's not how I meant for it to come out, and that's just it came out. And I I I'm just like, listen, I'm not gonna get a ding on TikTok for y'all. Like, I'm I'm gonna leave it.

11:02 Right.

11:03 I'm gonna leave it.

11:05 Just forget about it.

11:07 I'll ride the wave. Yeah, I and I can't help it. I'll still go back to it, but if it's like a viral one, if it's a if it's like a um if the views are very low, I'll I or not like very low, but pretty low, I'll look. If it's gone, if it goes viral, I'm like, I I don't even bother.

11:27 For me, big or small, I'm not looking at the comments. You know, actually, let me stop. I'll look a little bit, but like my most recent one where it was like, oh, it was on the fence where people are like, hey, what the hell are you talking about? But when I was talking about um Taylor and the girl that she spit on, and people didn't give a damn about what I had to say, like some people, but uh other people who like watched it like from beginning to end, they understood.

11:57 But other people were like, I don't give a damn, like Taylor spit on that girl, it don't matter. Which I literally said that in the video. I was like, nothing of what this girl did justifies Taylor spitting on her. But I'm just giving another perspective onto like if we're just talking talking about Taylor stealing Corey from her, right?

12:17 Well, this girl stole somebody's man too. So that's all I'm talking about, but they were frying me up in the comments.

12:25 What were the comments? Like, what what was the backlash?

12:30 So I think the biggest thing, because I didn't mention it until the end of my video, was people assumed that I was justifying Taylor spitting on Alicia. No, yeah, Taylor spitting on Alicia because how Alicia had stolen else's man. Where the whole point of the video was like, okay, if you take the spitting part away, I'm talking about stealing people's mans.

12:59 If you get what I'm saying.

13:02 Yeah. People misunderstood because they chose not to watch the full video, and I actually think that it is the most annoying thing. Sometimes the videos aren't even lasting. It's not like it's like a 10-minute long video. I'm not using the full allotted time that TikTok is giving me, you know.

13:21 Also, I feel like it was a combination of two things. One, they felt they don't like Taylor, right? And they felt like whatever Taylor did was so diabolical that whatever Alicia did doesn't matter. Which, if you're that crowd, I don't know. Like, I don't know about you, you know? It's because what Alicia did at that time was diabolical as well, and she had no remorse for it.

13:49 She full-on started dating the guy, like everything, even though that didn't go well. And then even on the flip side, when you think about it, why is Alicia finding over Corey? Like, have y'all thought about that? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, because immediately, as soon as Corey got in the house, Corey went after Taylor, even though he had this relationship with Alicia, right?

14:15 And Alicia sees that they're together and Corey's like, you know, rejecting her the entire time. I mean, he was kind of he was a little shady too because like there were moments where it was like, okay, are you on Alicia's side or are you not? But as a woman, like, why are you fighting over this guy?

14:33 He he done moved on in front of your face. In front of your face, he's kissing on another woman, sleeping with another woman, and you fighting for this guy? Like, come on. So that's where it's like, to me, I'm not picking nobody's side.

14:49 Yeah, and that's why they say, like, how you get him is how you lose him. So I and I and I understand why so many people in the comments are saying, you know, um that that's her karma. They're like, that's that's Taylor's karma, like this is everybody's karma. To me, the biggest issue or or the the problem in all of this is Corey.

15:12 He's the problem in my eyes, you know. He's on the show for a reason, and he knows how to how to keep people's like eye, right? He knows how to keep the cameras on him. He's on the show saying he wants to win the challenge, even though he loses every time that he's on there, but it's because his main focus is on getting laid.

15:42 To a certain extent, let's say Corey takes the blame 90%. At some point, you have to look at the woman. Because, like, what are the what are you doing? Like, this man is playing in your fucking face. He's playing in all of our faces. Like, you gonna stay with him? Like, it's on TV. Like, this is not no private, secret, oh TMZ, gotta go snap it or whatever.

16:10 He's in the confessionals. Oh, this is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life. Oh, this connection, this magnet, this. Oh, I love this woman. This is my type. Get the fuck out of here. Like, come on. At some point, I'm looking at Taylor like, what are you doing? Like, why would you stay with this guy?

16:28 So, right, yeah, we could shit on Corey all he wants, but that's who he's been. Ever since I've been seeing him on TV, he's always been this way. He hasn't changed much. So, Taylor, come on.

16:44 Well, and I also got crap because um I said that Taylor was mad at the wrong person and everybody was mad at me about it. They were like, no, that's the other woman, like you know, shame on you, blah, blah. And it's like, okay, listen, yes, was Liz wrong? Yes, because Liz knew that she that he had a woman at home.

17:03 He knows that she knows that he has kids at home. You know what I mean? Like, you know all of these things. Were you in the wrong? Yes. But does Liz oh and everybody's like, well, she needs to be a girls girl, she needs to be a girls girl. Okay, yes, we we all know that. But at the end of the day, the only person that owes anything to Taylor is Corey.

17:22 And Corey didn't mention her in in the show, didn't even mention her in in on on Twitter on X.

17:31 There's a woman taking care of my kids.

17:35 Like And then we and and then he says, the person that needed the apology received the you couldn't even say Taylor received the apology, like you still can't say her name. Like, why?

17:47 The only thing with that and then he'll mention Cheyenne.

17:52 Uh-huh.

17:53 So because this is your first time watching the challenge, you don't know the the back history. This is her second time, Izzy. You're calling her Liz. I'm like, who the hell is Liz? This is her second time doing the same thing. Yeah, Izzy. She has already messed with a taken man in the previous seasons, so she's running it back for a second time.

18:21 Okay. Now, the blame should 100% be on Corey, even with saying that. But I understand why people are looking at her sideways, like, hello, because to me, there's a lot of layers to the woman who knows. I'm not saying like a cheating man with like this girl doesn't know that you have a family or whatever.

18:44 But the woman who knows, you're playing a dangerous game. Like, this is real life. Like, these kids are gonna grow up and watch these shows, they're gonna see these TikToks, they're gonna see everything. And you over here messing, like, because why would you even want to be viewed? Like, as a woman, why would you want to be viewed like that?

19:05 As the person that's going after married men or taking men, you know, you know they got a whole family back at home, and you talking about a damn magnet. Fuck your magnet. Like, what the what are you talking about? Go there's so many other men on the show, go after them. But why go after the guy who oh, because he's advancing on me.

19:28 I don't reject his ass. So that's where it's like I'm not gonna do too much on her because at the end of the day, whatever. She's single, she could do whatever she wants. If she wants to mess with a a taken man, weird, but whatever. But the main smoke is for Corey, period. Because this is his responsibility.

19:47 At the end of the day, you're embarrassing your family, you're showing them a bad picture, a bad look.

19:55 It's on him.

19:58 Yeah, I agree. I agree. And like I said, I got like a lot of hate for it, but Taylor's choosing to stay there, and and that's what people were upset about too. They were like, How dare you? Taylor has um, you know, has a sick daughter, you know, she can't just up and leave. Um, she can't just she can't just travel with her daughter.

20:23 I'm like, listen, Taylor has gone online and said that she has financially taken care of her children without Corey. She said that I'm not saying she needs to uproot her kids to a different state, but she can't pack her shit and get her own apartment and get her own place for her daughter.

20:41 Right. That's really that's really all it is.

20:43 And then they said, Well, she doesn't want to have to split time. When according to Corey's Snapchat, he loves when Taylor and the kids are gone. He loves it. He's like, I get to enjoy some time by myself, you know. I don't care what that sounds like. I I like my time to myself. He doesn't give a damn.

21:04 She can have the kids full time and and they can visit every once in a while or uh but at least it's her space. So if she has her own space and she's like, okay, vit like visit with your kids, whatever, and then it's time for you to to go. She could do that.

21:18 My logic doesn't even make sense because for at least two times out the year when he's filming the challenge, he's gone for two to three months at the time. You're gonna have your kids for three months by yourself, which you're already doing it. And I'm assuming you're probably the primary parent. Like, right, it's it's not gonna be much of a difference.

21:43 It's just okay, whatever little split time, two days, whatever you choose. Like, I don't know, maybe um I I don't think staying in a relationship like that where you're not valued, like a dude don't even want to marry you. There's clips um floating around in the beginning of the relationship. He wouldn't even say I love you.

22:01 He's disrespecting you on TV. I don't know if that's necessarily worth staying just for a couple of days with the kids. Like, that's just me. But if that's how she wants to live her life, that's on her.

22:14 And plus, as a mom, you need a little break.

22:20 And I I said, I said, look, if if Taylor wants to be the rug that Corey can wipe his feet on, like, if that's what she wants to be, by all means, right? But we're still going to have opinions on it. So that's where I'm at.

22:40unknown I'm sorry.

22:41 The rug is core.

22:42 It sounds bad, but that's literally I've never heard that phrase before. Yo.

22:56 I got on today.

23:00 This is why I get in trouble. Because I just say listen, my wife is worse. That's why she's not allowed on the internet. Because I she'll sh her what she says is so much worse. That's all that you're gonna get us both canceled. Like you can't be on the internet. Outside of Corey and Taylor, right? We've I don't know about you.

23:25 I've I've laid off on talking a lot about Ryan and Amanda, right? Ryan and Amanda from Team Mom. I've I've laid off talking about them. Um people were pissed when I said that I believed that there was something wrong with Amanda because it looked like there was something wrong with her. And everybody had told me, that's your friend, you should have her back.

23:51 You're a snake, you're a wolf in sheep's clothing because you're making this video. Okay. Anyone that I've ever talked to on teen mom or from teen mom, they know that this is still my job. They know that at the end of the day, this is still what I do. And during the time of a man and I's friendship, she kept telling me that everything was fine.

24:19 That's what she kept telling me. Everything's fine. I didn't relapse. I'm good, you know, like those are just haters, those are just rumors. Meanwhile, I'm looking at her videos and I'm like your words and your actions on these videos don't make sense. Like her driving twice once once forwards and once backwards.

24:42 I was it like on the mausoleum or like close to the mausoleum, like on the grass. And I'm just like, this is not like normal behavior. Um and so I stated it looked like she'd relapsed, and people were mad. They were like, How dare you like prey this on somebody? I'm like, I'm not praying it on anyone.

25:02 Like, I've continued to defend her. This is what she's told me, but I also can't ignore what I'm seeing.

25:11 You know?

25:12 So she obviously we all know she admitted to the relapse, and that was only because um she got arrested and got caught for being arrested, right? Like we all found out about it. And then um and then yeah, ever since then she's just been selling shit on TikTok shop uh every day. Uh, even though she said that she was gonna continue to show her uh recovery online, she hasn't been showing her recovery online, she's been selling some TikTok shop.

25:49 So I really don't like their audience, like the people who ride for them. You know, even I told you about it. I was like, yo, I don't know how you're rocking with them, but whatever.

26:04 Um I've been seeing whatever you said I was crazy. Trust me, everybody told me what is wrong with you.

26:12 Like, y'all talking about the mausoleum, that's when you noticed. I've been noticed because how the hell you driving a pizza? I mean, I said driving a pizza, that would have been some real crazy shit.

26:24 You drive in, eating a pizza, you typing on your phone, you recording, like how you she was all right.

26:38 You see, this is why you I don't like the backlash, and I don't like their audience. Long story short, I've been new it. I believe I made a video about it too um on my YouTube. I gotta go check it, but I just knew I knew it, I knew it. So what are they saying now that she might have relapsed again or like what's happening currently?

27:04 So a lot of a lot of people's assumptions is that she hasn't ever really gotten better, and that's because she like hasn't gone into rehab. Like she didn't she didn't check herself into rehab. Personally, I think that she should have gone into rehab. I thought like at first, she said that you know, well, I'm just gonna do this on my own.

27:27 I'm gonna be sharing my story on like recovery and just be real and raw. And I thought, you know, that's that's an interesting take because maybe some people do need to see that. They need to see how how hard it is, what the struggle is um for recovery, right? And and a lot of people don't really see that, they just see the the TV person that they love.

27:50 So I thought, well, maybe some good can come out of that and you can help somebody. Um and so no, she hasn't done that. She's just been sharing um her case every once in a while, but even then she doesn't really share the full story. And then when it comes to um McKenzie Edwards, McKinsey uh got emergency, she got granted emergency custody, and um she's keeping the kids away from Amanda.

28:21 So she's like, I don't want my kids uh near her, I don't want and I don't blame her. You know, at some point in time you try to give the father of your children a chance, right? And because everybody's called you the bad guy for you keeping the kids away from Ryan, away from Amanda, even though they were recovered at the time that she was pregnant, it's like, why are you doing this, right?

28:46 Like, why are you doing this? Well, at some point in time, if I believe if if McKinsey showed the court enough that the court said, we're granting you this same day, something had to go down.

29:03 It was like diabolical enough for them to grant custody immediately. How no, like that's what I'm saying. I I don't like to like put them down too much because I know how tough addiction can be. Like, it's really a tough disease to fight because I don't know what like when I was pregnant, I was going down a rabbit hole, and like how they put in certain things and all types of stuff, and like how it's just a really hard fight.

29:32 So I feel for them, uh, even though I really don't agree with a lot of their actions, even when they are sober, it's still like uh I I know that's a tough battle, but at the end of the day, I'm I'd be getting them confused. It's Amanda is the current wife, okay. Mackenzie has to protect her kids at the end of the day.

29:55 So it's like, okay, you could wait it out or whatever, but as you can see, Macy what she waited Bentley's whole life, and it's still some bullshit. So it's only so much we can do, and and that back and forth, because uh imagine how Bentley must feel now, where oh, there was a little period of time where he was cool and he was actually apologizing and all those things, but now all of that heartbreak.

30:26 Because I I seen that um for a celebration he was having, he didn't even mention Ryan's name. Like this kid is heartbroken, so it affects everybody around you, your whole family, your kids, like your spouse. And I know it's a tough battle, that's why it's hard for me to say too much, even though I don't really rock with them, but I don't want to do too much on them because I get it.

30:47 Yeah, right. I mean, um I I get it as a child of an addict. I mean, listen, look, my mom is right behind me.

31:00 You know what I mean?

31:01 Like, sounds morbid, but like, but you know what I mean? Like, I I was a child of an addict. I was a child of uh uh uh my mom. My mom was an addict, my dad uh was in and out of my life, so I I understand the abandonment, I understand what it's like to want your parent or or like your mom or dad to to be better or to get better, right?

31:26 But at the end of the day, they can't do anything for anyone else but themselves. And that's why when people say, Well, I'm gonna get better for my kid. Now, granted, some people can do that, and some people have stayed sober for many, many years. And I congratulate that and and I'm so happy that their children are able to see the version of their parent that they deserve to have, right?

31:51 Unfortunately, that's not the case for everyone, and I think that a lot of people that are in recovery, they believe that, well, you're just you're putting people down that are addicts and we're not all like that. Okay, well, I didn't say that. I'm talking about Amanda and Ryan. I'm not saying all addicts are like this.

32:12 I'm saying Amanda and Ryan, right? You people, I believe that people in recovery need to stop putting their lives and their story and and putting that on them because it's not the same. I mean, like you said, we've Bentley's waited dang near 18 years. And it's still the same, it's still nothing has changed.

32:36 And it's Ryan has to want the change. And if I I personally believe that if Ryan wanted Amanda to be better, he would have sent her to rehab.

32:49 I think they need to be separated, period. Like, yeah, I I don't know what kind of fairy tale story they think this shit is, but for something as hard as this is, you both don't need to be in the same shit. Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. Like, one has to be strong for the other because boom, if she relapsed, you on your way out too.

33:17 And then vice versa, if if he relapsed, there she go.

33:22 Because like, especially when they just met.

33:25 There's a sorry, there's a clip in the episode of Teen Mom where Amanda literally tells Macy and Mimi Jen, she said, if we if I'm to the point where I want to relapse, or Ryan's to the point where he wants to relapse, we made the agreement that we wouldn't be together. Because we'd have to focus on ourselves.

33:49 We cannot worry about the other person because that would want to make the other person relapse.

33:53 And now look at him. That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm not sure. You said that and I like it reminded me.

34:02 Uh like I think a different case would have been okay, they already even then I don't know. Like, I maybe I don't know enough about this topic to even say that. Because I I was gonna say, like, what if they were both a few years separated from it? Not just, oh, we met in rehab, we just got sober, and now we're together.

34:26 I'm talking like, okay, this person been sober for 20 years, this person been sober, like, even then, I don't know if that'll work. But at least that makes more sense to me.

34:39 Right. And and it doesn't work. This is why they say, like, you're not supposed to date anyone while in rehab. Like when Ryan went to recovery, I thought maybe this time is like different, right? Like you always want the best for the kid. So you are you're always hoping maybe this time they've he's got it together, right?

35:04 He's with Amanda, and Amanda was like, Look, I come from a past, this is who I am. Um, you know, this is who I was back then, right? But um this is where we're both gonna be holding ourselves accountable. Whoop-do- whoop-dooop. And and I really wanted to believe that that would be the case, you know.

35:29 You always want the best. And I think that a lot of people think that as creators, we want nothing but the worst for people, and that's that's not true at all. I I think that if anything, we're more empathetic. I I always have to double take shit when I posted about a man, I was like, sh I don't know what to do.

35:48 Should I post it? I feel like I'm a horrible person for for even thinking this, but were we wrong?

35:57 Mm-hmm. And that's where I had to personally like pivot my content because I was like, there's no way like I could keep talking about this because it'd be the most diable, and then like as an empath, right? It's not like oh, I'm just here to spill the tea and like oh, look at this person and laugh at this person, whatever.

36:18 I feel for these people. I mean, like, even though I don't care how much you piss me off, I'm still gonna have some type of empathy for you. Like, if there's people dragging, like even Corey bald headed ass, like I'm gonna roast the fuck out of him, but I I feel a little bit bad. Like, damn, they fried his ass up.

36:34 He was doing a he was doing a commercial.

36:43 Okay, I can't even get it out.

36:45 But Corey was doing a commercial. I forgot what they were saying in the comments. I'm like, damn, he can't even do a commercial. So it's like, I don't care.

36:53 They said they said, Oh, you just partner with anybody, huh?

37:04 You just partner with everybody, so it's like, bro, I'm gonna fry you up. I think what you're doing is wrong. I don't agree at all, but damn, I feel a little bit bad. Like, so even though I don't like Ryan and or Amanda, you know, they give a little bit. I you see, I don't want to say too much, but there's a a few reasons why I don't like them.

37:25 I still feel bad because this is a tough thing. Like, first of all, I I've never liked Ryan since the start of the show. I didn't like the way he treated Macy. And the way, like, he he really hasn't been consistent. Well, he's been consistent, honestly, in his ways. And I I don't agree with the way he's going about it.

37:49 So, especially the way it affects the kids, I don't agree. Amanda, I don't know her enough, but from what I've seen online, you I don't know what she's doing. Like, I don't know what she got going on, I don't understand her. I don't even want to talk about these people. Jesus. They be pissing me off.

38:14 I be getting so bad because I'm like, I feel bad for you, but I can't say what I want to say.

38:22 You know, I I get it, and I was literally having this conversation um with someone the other day, and I said, you know, I use Janelle as an example, and I said, I can look back at episodes where like 16 and pregnant and early stages of teen mom, where Janelle is acting like a little shit, but then you look at the way that Babs is like talking to her and treating her, or like when Janelle was doing okay and she still wouldn't give her the opportunities or chances to try to be better.

38:59 For me, I thought like those were all missed opportunities, Babs. Like those that was like a moment that you could have said, all right, let me give you, let me give you the inch, right? And and see how it goes and kind of go from there. But then Janelle would take the full mile, and then it was like, you know?

39:17 So then and then you feel you wonder why is she why is Janelle under up all these like pieces of trash? Well, she's got daddy issues. We all know that, you know.

39:30 But then Janelle should have never been.

39:35 Yeah, I'm telling you, listen, sometimes I feel for her, and then other times I'm just like, nah, I'm roasting you today.

39:43 I'm not gonna lie, like my level of feeling for Janelle is like on the lowest level it could be. Because I don't like people who abandon their kids. Uh uh. Like, come. I've watched this lady abandon her kids for years. For years, like, and then you finally got the kid, right? You got custody. Boom, sent to his dad that he don't know.

40:12 Like, what are we talking about? Like, it'd be hard where I'm like, I don't get it. I truly don't get it.

40:20 What why? Why Jace, right? Like, why Jace?

40:26 Like you You've had um Kaiser, you've had Ensley with you since the moment that they were born. Right? And and I would think that you fought so hard, so hard to have Jace, that was your time to shine. Like that was your moment to show the world like the mother that you always wanted to be for Jace. And and like you said, you just up and left him with his dad that he doesn't know.

41:03 And you put him in mental facilities where people couldn't get a hold of him.

41:09 I don't know about that.

41:11 From people that yeah, uh she isolated him and and and took him out of mental facilities where Babs was actually going to visit him weekly and talking to him every day. She cut off contact. And then after cutting off contact, she moved him to a different facility. And at that point, I believe it was um one of those like camps, like those wilderness camps, which uh I don't know if if you know like Paris Hilton has talked about these.

41:38 Um, I've actually had a few people um that have been a part of those camps that have reached out to me as well, and it it's just it's sad, like it's traumatizing, and they make you smile and they make you look happy, and they threaten that you better not tell your parents about the you know what goes on here, or you know, they're not gonna accept you or they're not gonna love you or whatever.

42:02 And I mean, not like Janelle would do any of those things, or she wouldn't give a shit anyway, but um it's it's these camps that they put you in that really m break you down mentally, you know. So by the time that you're 18 years old, you're discarded, you're traumatized, and I'm just glad that he got out.

42:23 I'm glad that he's out, I'm glad that he's with Babs, and um I just hope that Janelle doesn't get her hands on him like ever again.

42:32 Right. Oh, so he is with Barb now.

42:37 He is with Babs now, yeah.

42:39 My heart breaks for Jace because I feel like they never gave him a chance. Like, you know, like from the start. Like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna cry thinking about it. But what when like you know, the the mom is screaming, like, I didn't ask, like I didn't make this this kid, like you know, and then she's just like, Well, I'm so stressed out with my life, I can't take care of him.

43:06 Like, I as a mom, I can't imagine that because at the end of the day, yes, I'm stressed out, I'm whatever, but I can't fathom being like, I just cannot like deal with him and just dump them on somebody else, like you know, and then you never work like for years she just kept like it kept going down where she's like picking people over him.

43:31 You know what I'm saying? There was no like redemption period for her to be like because I understand maybe having a moment of that, but for it to go on for years and then you constantly discard him, like that breaks. I feel like no kid should ever have to go through that, and that's where my like for other people, you know, at least they're trying to take care of their kids, you know, they might be messed up, whatever, but they still try it.

43:54 But for her, the empathy is is tough, and then even with Kaiser, I remember the way she let um David talk to him. Like, that's not even like his dad, and you let your boyfriend or whoever talk to this kid crazy, calling him a little bitch. So that's where I was like, I don't know how the kids that um she do have custody of, I don't know how they're going.

44:20 Like, you know, I I don't know what's going on with them. Like, hopefully they're okay. Hopefully, but the way she's treated and if even okay, let's say she's treating these kids like way better. Now Jace has to see that, like, you know, like you treating my siblings way better than you treat me. So yeah, it just sucks all around.

44:42 Yeah, I I all I really hope for is that they are uh able to one day um share their stories and uh I will buy their books. I will buy all of their books. But um I know that you're pressed on time, so I'm going to let you go. Thank you so much, Naomi, for joining me. Uh, go ahead and let everybody know where they can find you.

45:05 I do have a new TikTok page because my other one got banned. Well, it's not banned, but I'm gonna use that page for clips. Anyways, Naomi Lux TV and then Naomi Lux Zero on everything else.

45:18 Awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining me on this first episode. And I really, really appreciate you. And uh again, you guys know where to follow Naomi. Make sure you guys give her a follow. And thank you for joining me on Off the Record.

45:32 Thank you. Bye.