Ryanair Wants Alcohol Bans, Emirates' $6.8B Record Profit & Buying Spirit Airlines?!

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Dan and I'm Alex and welcome back to on air its Wednesday and we have a new episode here wherever you get your podcasts, Spotify, Apple and all the wonderful places that you're also leaving us lots of comments on YouTube in relation to last week's episode but before we come to that [SPEAKER_00]: Dan, how are things?

[SPEAKER_00]: I am great. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so relaxed for the first time in months which feels amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: How are you? [SPEAKER_00]: You sound like you are joining us from a spa. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not so no kind of episode. [SPEAKER_03]: So if you do drop off, it means that the dry heat has gotten the better of your mic.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was looking at some of the comments from last week's episode where of course we spend a little time looking at spirit and there were some pieces and some notes that some of the listeners were sharing, specifically on the politics of the deal. [SPEAKER_03]: But before we move on to this [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen some of the political reaction across the U.S. about how they had considered to try to save spirit at the government and then obviously, well, we did not proceed to do so, leading to the inevitable collapse of a very prominent low-cost airline in the U.S. and now other countries kind of looking and watching from the sidelines and thinking could that happen here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a bit unusual that, for example, and I'm asking you as the American on the podcast, the Republicans of the US, as far as I would be concerned, the traditional values of that would be that it's not for the state to get involved and to swoop up companies for government ownership, but rather it should be survival of the fittest in the private sector.

[SPEAKER_03]: and so on. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll ask you, do think we're in just very different times that this doesn't apply to aviation and actually people don't want airlines to fail, especially an airline that is offering people rock bottom fairs. [SPEAKER_03]: So it doesn't matter about politics, it's just about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, absolutely, but these are such unusual times politically in the US. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, and it's true what you say about traditional Republicans would absolutely not suggest to save a private airline like this, especially a low-cost airline like spirit. [SPEAKER_00]: But now these are anything but traditional Republicans who are sitting in office.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what we see from them when it comes to aviation or anything else is not what we would have expected. [SPEAKER_03]: ten years ago and spirit is just an example of that now spirit's European brother not literally but the comparison is often made right in air the outspoken CEO had commented on the collapse of spirit and he said that it should have happened ages ago when it was set to happen and he said the likes of JetBlue [SPEAKER_03]: should collapse also because we can't be swooping in to save these airlines that have poor finances, poor strategy, and that he says that Spirit and JetBlue should both have been put out of their misery a while back and not left to collapse.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now, which I also thought was interesting because obviously he's saying that from a Ryanair standpoint standpoint given that they are so financially healthy, but what do you think of that? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean the European [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, earlier he is obviously a very outspoken person and I think often he goes a bit far because he runs such a successful airline.

[SPEAKER_00]: It immediately made me think of his recent comments as well that several European airlines are likely to fail this wouldn't upcoming winter with high oil prices after the summer burst of travel. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think specifically he said was there an aeroboltic, right, which I think what I mean, what does he know about the US market really since his airline operates in what we highlighted last week Such a different market in so many ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's more interesting to to see if his predictions about was air an air bolt to could be right. [SPEAKER_00]: What motives does he have for seeing something like that? [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's bookmark this, obviously we're recording mid-May, so we are now at the start of the summer season in the Northern Hemisphere and typically this is when airlines perform that best.

[SPEAKER_03]: Airlines have to secure as many forward bookings as they can for the winter to be able to demonstrate that they're going to be able to have enough cash flow to make it through. [SPEAKER_03]: And when I say to be able to demonstrate for most airlines, we're for all and in many markets there is a requirement for this to legally happen the airline must show the regulator that they have enough to be able to make it through the winter.

[SPEAKER_03]: and this doesn't really apply to the big guys like British Airways and Air France and so on because there is no real question there about the stake of their finances, these are incredibly profitable legacy businesses. [SPEAKER_03]: But the smaller carriers like Norse, for example, once upon a time Norwegian and they've kind of evolved through different [SPEAKER_03]: structures to end up as Norse now.

[SPEAKER_03]: Norse is the also the ultra low-cost, long-haul operator flying from different points including London Gapwick where they have a base and they fly to the U.S. [SPEAKER_03]: So Norse is able to offer [SPEAKER_03]: cheap and cheerful, no frills, fairs from Gatwick to the United States, for example, and that the price of the tickets are obviously, I mean, it's much much cheaper than those also on the transatlantic route, BA, Virgin Atlantic, on the service and so on.

[SPEAKER_03]: Norse will be one of those candidates that will have to demonstrate that they can make it through the winter and there is a question mark for many airlines in that category And I think we'll bookmark this as mid-May and see what happens because [SPEAKER_03]: the winter and whether or not they'll be able to make it through, it's not going to be November December but rather they have to demonstrate this from September October onwards.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there are many fragile players in the game right now because of this raging jet fuel price. [SPEAKER_03]: And so while [SPEAKER_00]: the outspoken CEO's loved commentate on this because they're hoping that it also comes true and they wipe out competition there is an element of truth to it isn't there yeah well the what i wanted to see and i think that no one would love to be able to see this more than united CEO about american for example but [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's worrying to the traveling public hearing a CEO of any airline in the same business as another, say, I don't actually think that Wizzair will survive the winter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then you go, well, I have a choice between Ryanair and Wizzair, which one should I go with? [SPEAKER_00]: The one that might not survive the winter and leave me stranded or the one that will definitely survive the winter. [SPEAKER_03]: So, which in turn can, in short, can, can, can determine the fate of an ally that may not have been heading towards something like a collapse, but actually that kind of rhetoric is enough to drive as many people whereas possible thus leading to the very scenario they were hypothesizing.

[SPEAKER_00]: precisely, which is what is kind of malicious. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel about going out and saying something. [SPEAKER_00]: This one, he doesn't have any, there's no reason for him to say it besides wanting these airlines to actually fail. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, look, let's get down to business and what is on the agenda for today's episode, including a debate that's stemming far across aviation.

[SPEAKER_03]: But before you wanted to quickly discuss the air France KLM proposal because I think they're going to, well, just set the scene. [SPEAKER_03]: What's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: just a quick little topic before we get into our main news because we are, well, I especially am involved with Air France KLM because they're investing in saving my national airline SES.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have a minority state right now. [SPEAKER_00]: They're hoping to get a majority stake if the EU approves it. [SPEAKER_00]: that leaves Air France KLM as a group in a slightly weird place because they already have one airline that is an all part of that name, Transavia and then Transavia has a few regional divisions but now with that SAS and potentially top Portugal [SPEAKER_00]: A bit later, maybe in 2027, then suddenly the name is excluding a bunch of airlines.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're on an SES flight from all of a sort of Stockholm, and they say, well, you're going to board this Air France KLM flight, that needs to change, understandably. [SPEAKER_00]: So Air France KLM is now debating on what they should call this new group. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the suggestions or do you have any good ideas for this new entity?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, as a group, they will, you know, that they're bolstering and it will strengthen to continue to rival I.A.G. [SPEAKER_03]: and the lift answer group. [SPEAKER_03]: So the lift answer group, obviously we know, consists of the likes of Austrian and Brussels and Swiss and all these different airline brands that belong to the same group, but ultimately the name of the group is Luftancer and that's it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and then I AG is the International Consolidated Airlines group. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the group of B.A.I. [SPEAKER_03]: Beeria, Elingus, Vueling level. [SPEAKER_03]: Am I missing anyone else? [SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So, and they hope soon another play. [SPEAKER_03]: So, in terms of names, they're not really anything sexy, anyway, at the moment.

[SPEAKER_03]: And most of the time, I mean, these names actually are so poorly established, so poorly branded slash known that there isn't a time I can ever broadcast on TV or radio, for example, and simply say, I-A-G. I-A-G, I-A-G, I have to say, I-A-G, the parent company of Britshell, [SPEAKER_03]: You know, or I have to say British Airways owner iag, or I have to say iberia owner iag, because otherwise if I simply sit on TV and say iag, the viewer has no clue what I'm talking about unless they're an on-air listener in which guys, thank you so much for joining, I'm watching on TV as well as on the podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not, it's not, you know, it's not anything established. [SPEAKER_03]: If they do try Air France KLM as they both do the group and they try to acquire your national airline SAS poor boy. [SPEAKER_03]: and other players, they would be the first to potentially have some kind of interesting name to solidify them as a European group.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would go for a name that was very heavily, very heavy on it being European. [SPEAKER_03]: So while I wouldn't want it to sound like a European commissioned project because [SPEAKER_03]: Got only knows how bureaucratic and red taped up delay that would be right, but I would want it to be something that That for a South American listener and Australian listener or whatever would I would associate with that prominent airline group in Europe because neither left answer or I AG are playing playing in this way [SPEAKER_03]: I, what I understand is not the, that's not the case though, but that's trying to say question, that's so I would something very European.

[SPEAKER_03]: You are someone. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because honestly, if, especially if they get a part of top, they'll really span from Northern Europe to Southern Europe and yeah, capture everything, which I think, [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it would be like the euro Well, because I don't even know about it having euro because for example euro wings Okay, probably try to achieve that euro wings is the barchit airline subsidiary of the liftanzer part of the liftanzer group.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're still with us, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and And euro wings has obviously tried to achieve that right by it being a European airline wings project [SPEAKER_03]: But yet, you're a wings, I don't associate in an, in a, oh, a European Cosmopolitan thing. [SPEAKER_03]: You're a wings, I'm like, oh, the sounds like 28 inch bitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's very true. [SPEAKER_00]: But I wonder, so right now they're calling this the blue project, which, the blue group, in my opinion, sounds horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like, [SPEAKER_00]: it sounds like they're, you know, hinting toward the blue main group or something which maybe is this the proposal, the blue group.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is what they're calling the project to decide on a name or it's like the working title, which it's inspired by flying blue, they're the frequent flyer program of all these airlines, which SES will also use, but there are definitely [SPEAKER_00]: How would you do it? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like as you said, I think I wasn't thinking this, but I think Europe capturing the idea of Europe in the name is Brilliant and you know I know that for example, you can say I mean, can you call Europe the continent for example, but it would be weird for them to be [SPEAKER_00]: Continental airline group, obviously.

[SPEAKER_03]: Continental makes its return just on the other side of the Atlantic. [SPEAKER_00]: I loved Continental as a kid, but also to think about this. [SPEAKER_00]: Guys, send us your ideas as well. [SPEAKER_00]: In the comments and direct messages, we'll share some of those next week, because this is fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine on-air, thinks of the new Flying Blue Air France KLMSES tap airline group name. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm asking AI for its suggestions, something, and so far there are responses are horrible. [SPEAKER_03]: So guys, try and, you know, let's do it authentic because so it says strong contenders for a more modern European style airline group consisting of the likes of everyone's KLM and tap, potentially in a CS and so on.

[SPEAKER_03]: It says sky aura, you rave ya, you rave ya, since like a dive nightclub, [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, what is that place in the princess diaries that she's from? [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and halfway. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I can't remember. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Union air, Europe. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's going to go down. [SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't it? [SPEAKER_03]: Union air. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll let you know when we're not striking. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Um. [SPEAKER_03]: Air meridian.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, there was already a meridian. [SPEAKER_03]: Atlantic Union. [SPEAKER_03]: All this union stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: then it's like, oh, perhaps you want a more sleek luxury stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you do. [SPEAKER_03]: So, um, astray Europa, uh, Solaris aviation. [SPEAKER_03]: These are awful.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, it's so stupid is that even though none of those airlines would have a base on the Mediterranean, I feel like naming it something with the Mediterranean would instantly attract people. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, S.A.S. [SPEAKER_00]: is Mediterranean airline group.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they wouldn't be more Mediterranean. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like, it's, that's a flex these days. [SPEAKER_03]: Especially. [SPEAKER_00]: Like just the card a little hub and me. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, airframes actually, mece. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's Mediterranean. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait, or it could be like the Riviera group or something. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know. [SPEAKER_03]: Now that, that's hot. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that is hot, you know, with the air group heard a quiet and you low-cost airline from a tail in Spain, yeah, then this Riviera Airlines group flight from Bergen to Helsinki.

[SPEAKER_03]: Did you book with I.G. [SPEAKER_03]: you like, no, no, it's him. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little bit of an Arab-looking. [SPEAKER_03]: I actually love that. [SPEAKER_03]: we don't fly with the international and it's gone so like they did. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's something. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a AI reckons that a Riviera group sounds stylish and premium, but for a pan you repeat an airline, it gives a bit more of a Mediterranean resort brand.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we want, okay. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we are making this part of Europe cooler by bringing it into warmer climates, though. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And climate change is also making a Swedish reviera and a Dutch reviera. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Swedish reviera doesn't sound, you know, that sounds kind of.

[SPEAKER_03]: That could maybe go to Gothenburg, a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Brad, right to it. [SPEAKER_00]: The Gothenburg reviera, it's the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that could, yeah, it's actually a thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we don't call it the Riviera, but we have a Riviera, it's just probably not like Maybe that's what all these places need.

[SPEAKER_03]: They just need a good old fashioned Mediterranean inspired rebrand Just a you know the Gothenburg Riviera could get me on a Gothenburg fly and I think that's the first time I've ever saw that on the podcast Exactly is that we've been doing it so [SPEAKER_00]: So, I think this is like, especially for Americans, this would work so well, and people would be like, oh, I'm a loyal member of the Riviera group, you know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll, and the Americans are out in full force, if you notice, I keep seeing them all or whatever the European airports in across. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, raising prices to low levels that European people can afford. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love overhearing their conversations in the lounge and by overhearing Guys, you don't have a choice to overhear it because it's just so loud and I hear phone calls and she was There was a woman talking to someone through a ring doorbell and she was like we're not there We're in Europe and then we're you're up we're in Europe [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, how funny to describe a continent rather than I know then just to you know gently inform of the country Whatever and she'll then the person was you're in Europe.

[SPEAKER_03]: Amazing. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I have fun She was like yeah, it's been great. [SPEAKER_03]: The weather here in Europe is I'm like wow. [SPEAKER_03]: That's a statement You know how the word would sweeten [SPEAKER_03]: You see, five hours six hours to fly from one side of Europe to the other.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's always just now. [SPEAKER_00]: I was in the US. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's always like you over here. [SPEAKER_00]: The funniest sentence is even walking by people. [SPEAKER_00]: But like the things that people discuss in public. [SPEAKER_00]: There was one lady in a call in the lounge.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, no, Gary just had a vasect [SPEAKER_00]: to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh, everyone can hear it. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's these completely unfazed, but I kind of think that's like, I mean, the volume is one thing, but I think it's kind of endearing people being so like unhinged in public, talking about anything that then everyone understands.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm I'm looking at again at just expanding if if they were to become something like the Riviera group and we're just narrowing in on the best part we're literally narrowing in on on the French Riviera part and ignoring the rest of the group. [SPEAKER_03]: Although there is you know if they do take tap air Portugal there's there's definitely scoped that this blue group project warms up with something a bit more you know Mediterranean and [SPEAKER_03]: And a nice injection of Portuguese culture wouldn't go this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it says that when you think of, from a marketing perspective, when you think of rebranding that airline group with something like Riviera Group, you're thinking Apparel Spritz is lending clothes, beach gloves and yachts, coast-doodins, it's maybe a bit far. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a bit far.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's good. [SPEAKER_00]: All of those things are available in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, just in all of that. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't look very good. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't look very good. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't look very good. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: They're picturing marketing mountains and stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which is also fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when it's 10 degrees in the water, then it's a bit weird to market your beach. [SPEAKER_03]: You know? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, fair enough, although an ice plan is good. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 10 degrees is not an ice plan, that's actually quite a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a river here, definitely not. [SPEAKER_03]: And you're going to let's get to the theme of Apparel Spritz's as a pivot. [SPEAKER_03]: There is a debate that has returned, it returns every summer, but it does have new kind of like force injection of, yeah, a force behind it, exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's multiple CEOs, including Reiner CEO, prominent because of the European angle, calling on airports once again to ban alcohol sales before early morning flights, claiming that [SPEAKER_03]: Erlands like Ryan is a diverting on average one flight per day, only due to unruly passengers.

[SPEAKER_03]: So even though he makes money from this, only once drinking and the drinking culture associated with their travel, specifically in the UK to be brought in line with standard [SPEAKER_03]: and you wanted a beer at 18 the morning, it would not be possible, right? [SPEAKER_03]: These places are not open because of the licensing hours.

[SPEAKER_03]: However, this whole culture that the European Airlines agree is worst in the UK, [SPEAKER_03]: And has conditioned the public into thinking that a 5 AM drink, in fact people being hammered at 5 AM, while it's still dark outside, is perfectly normal in the confines of an airport. [SPEAKER_03]: And anyone who has walked through Stance said on Manchester for an early morning flight will know exactly what we are talking about.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then there's the other thing which is that, okay, it's so easy for us to walk past and say, well, that's unacceptable. [SPEAKER_03]: but it can continue as normal in the lounge. [SPEAKER_03]: For example, where alcohol is freely available, it also doesn't seem to cause that much of an issue.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's an awkward one, isn't it? [SPEAKER_00]: Both UNI are obviously not the biggest drinkers, and I think I have, well no, I know for a fact I've never taken a drink before a flight. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a very unfamiliar world to us, the idea of getting drunk before stepping on a three-hour flight to Spain, for example.

[SPEAKER_00]: I personally think if you're going to ban it, which I'm totally for, it also needs to be banned on board. [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy that. [SPEAKER_00]: The airport would not be allowed to sell it, but then the crew is I understand that they their argument is the crew can control how much they're selling to one person, so people don't go way too far, but I believe the fair thing to do would be all or nothing until a certain time, at least what do you think?

[SPEAKER_03]: The Senate can be things. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the reason why O'Leary brings the start every year simply because he would rather all these alcohol purchases just beyond his aircraft, which we know Ryanair makes its money through and Sylery and through all the extras, not the actual fare. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's he thinking, blind me, not only would it, okay, reduce the number of diversions because passengers won't already be drunk by the time they bored.

[SPEAKER_03]: But, if they do want to get drunk, over the course of the 90-minute flight, it's unlikely they're going to get hammered enough to divert the aircraft, but he will benefit profit-wise in terms of how much they're able to buy and consume on board instead. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there is a hidden agenda here.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's that first show. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do think so as well. [SPEAKER_00]: I also think the point about lounges is interesting because obviously that has to apply there as well. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I mean, we often see people drinking a lot in lounges. [SPEAKER_00]: But, there also needs to be some updates to regulations because as far as I'm aware, in Europe, if you cause a flight to divert, it's not like in the US, where you pay the $80,000 in the version costs, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we need to, of course, we need better legislation to be way more strict with this and to know if you are responsible for providing an aircraft, as you said, you're paying for it. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's it is very American for that to be the country that puts this on people at the same time I agree with it But I can see that, you know, to someone who clearly has a drinking problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: These are non regular people are causing a flight to divert What they need is help not a 100,000 dollar bill For it's not all is it look is not all alcoholics is, you know, let's be witnessing is [SPEAKER_03]: Bachelorette or if you're an England stag and head parties, it's the groups, it's travel is is genuinely I think I don't think these stats are being driven by our colleagues.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm wrong. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe maybe they are But I don't think I think it's just more of this idea of this is part of the culture of what has [SPEAKER_03]: When I say part of the culture, I don't mean all the culture, it's a culture that has been manufactured to believe that this is the norm.

[SPEAKER_03]: And this is what the airline CEOs are agreeing on, that is unacceptable, that is a very UK thing. [SPEAKER_03]: And it doesn't extend, you know, it doesn't extend into the rest of society. [SPEAKER_03]: By that I mean outside of the Apple terminal. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean look, this is not something that the UK has to figure out by itself, and this is why there has been this across sector Agreement here between LNC as because let's look at Canada for example.

[SPEAKER_03]: So Canada is a nice clean example. [SPEAKER_03]: The airport's follow [SPEAKER_03]: The local alcohol laws of the province, meaning that air-side bars will operate under the exact same restrictions as any other bar in that province. [SPEAKER_03]: Meaning, if you walk into the Air Canada Maple Leaf lounge, the beer taps that are self-serve are simply off in the morning.

[SPEAKER_03]: with no drama, no robot, we're in an airport, we need a special note, it just matches reality outside. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go nearer to your neck of the woods, fin air, only serve alcohol on their domestic flights until 5 p.m. And then there is a time of the day restriction because they don't want these night flights where these evening flights are going to encourage drinking that could take place [SPEAKER_03]: Turkey, India, China, they don't serve alcohol on domestic flights at all, and while it can, the reason isn't just kind of ethical, there are regulatory things and their own kind of commercial policies there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just think about the length, I mean you, I don't need to tell you, you've just done that, I mean you are flying around China, just trying to get out of it for about three days, well you know. [SPEAKER_03]: Literally. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, these flights along, and there isn't that pushback, Sweden and Norway launched something right, something I are to back about trying to drink responsibly.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I didn't actually follow this. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so there was that there was it was a fly safely drink responsibly campaign and it was from Stockholm and the Civil Aviation Authority of Sweden and now as we're kind of working together with a kind of, you know, a message, but it that's all it was.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, please, who have you ever met in life that has seen, absorbed or understood a message from a civil aviation regulator or, you know, it's a noob. [SPEAKER_03]: people don't even know what regulator is, never mind what message. [SPEAKER_03]: And I've always said this, I have said this consistently for well over a decade.

[SPEAKER_03]: The industry is so delusionally good at speaking to itself. [SPEAKER_03]: And so terrible as speaking outside. [SPEAKER_03]: And the reason I had the word delusion is because they think that messaging to itself is cutting through outside and like you haven't even cut [SPEAKER_00]: Let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let alone, let

[SPEAKER_00]: but they don't have weed products, for example, they don't have weed gummies or something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: When in Canada and many US states now, those are exactly equivalent, but it's like what is seen as normal, getting completely drunk on a flight is not like taboo, but if they had weed, for example, [SPEAKER_00]: Products with that are now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a lot of drinks that contain it in the US That would be seen as crazy and I think a lot of people would be like what why are you serving this on flights? [SPEAKER_00]: But because we've normalized Serving so much at the airport in the lounge on the flight [SPEAKER_00]: That becomes what's acceptable and what's considered you know a big part of of an airline ticket I always find it interesting when I post a review from a dry airline to see how many people are like Oh my god, I would never fly a dry airline doesn't matter And out there all that's a big number of people that never would [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is just like what if they're amazing and what if the deal is good?

[SPEAKER_00]: How much more are you good? [SPEAKER_00]: You're willing to pay 1,000 euros more just because you'll get some cheap wine and champagne on your flight. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't get speaking of the right addons. [SPEAKER_03]: Can we pivot to a reality? [SPEAKER_03]: Please because firstly should we declare [SPEAKER_03]: of not saving in a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, should we file a missing person report for the entire era line of reality? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's interesting when he's really, really disappeared. [SPEAKER_03]: And similarly there, we haven't seen Anton out of it. [SPEAKER_03]: He had in a long while either. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not an entity.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm doing some speeches on some people's stories. [SPEAKER_00]: Since the crisis. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, like the past weeks. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but I haven't seen it. [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen any like anything from anyone at rear air, I mean, are you starting to wonder, I've read a ton of stories about how Saudi is really cutting back on its spending and its plans given what's going on.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to happen across a lot of the Gulf states in terms of the finances because of the huge hit that they have taken as a result of the prolonged [SPEAKER_03]: But with React, I mean, I can't help but wonder how this little next kind of thing that I'm about saying now was it was ever part of the plan.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this is why that's so quiet. [SPEAKER_03]: How is it that an airline that has branded itself so heavily, an airline that doesn't really exist yet in a proper way? [SPEAKER_03]: The brand itself so heavily on being quote digitally native and they really have pushed this extremely hard about how it will be a digital first digitally native, again I don't really know what digitally native I think it just means everything you know modern tech and so on.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just in native outline is currently very quietly selling tickets to the public if you notice [SPEAKER_03]: So, how do you turn, fly an experienced rear-dear today? [SPEAKER_03]: Admittedly, it's not on their aircraft, it's on a still the least aircraft the one from Oman, the one they actually love.

[SPEAKER_00]: But how do you book it? [SPEAKER_03]: So, there are listed OTAs, travel agencies that are able to sell you a rear air ticket from Rhea to London, which is their only delirute at the moment. [SPEAKER_03]: So, I want to express this. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, well, that's because they're keeping it very quiet because I think this directly cancels out this idea that they're digitally native and yet here they are.

[SPEAKER_03]: only selling through travel agents, perhaps in an extremely traditional way of now. [SPEAKER_03]: I understand fully as to how this is come about, in that they are having to fly to London every day as part of the use it or lose its slot restriction, but as an airline they are not ready to launch yet, and that's a variety of reasons including the Boeing supply chain issues.

[SPEAKER_03]: fully accept that. [SPEAKER_03]: Additionally, React Middle East, there's been a war since February 28th, that's added immense complexity, not just to the airlines there, but also everything that is reliant on the supply chain, which is everything because of the prolonged closure of the straight of hormones and how that's impacting the global markets.

[SPEAKER_03]: also accept that. [SPEAKER_03]: So those two things are there. [SPEAKER_03]: So so they are definitely hampering with the fact that read want to launch but can't be so loud about it because they still don't have their aircraft in their product and at the same time they're flying empty to London every single day and so they have had no choice but to widen the scope of who is allowed on board from the previous policy which is only sovereign wealth fund employees and their families [SPEAKER_03]: to now the public, but only if you book through an old traditional travel agency, which is something they don't want to push because it's entirely misaligned with the whole word digital native, digitally native, savvy, modern, never been seen before hot, shot start-up project.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's really a web of complexities that I am sympathetic with because I do get the challenge that the find themselves in. [SPEAKER_03]: I just think, oh, that's, you know, that's a kind of a nightmare for them. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's for sale if you want to book via a trap agency.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just checking now, the price is for one way London to read, which is all you can fly. [SPEAKER_00]: It seems to be about $5,700 one way in business. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's check round trip, just because, I mean, this is [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, in a way, they don't want people to book them and start sharing that, this... Well, I suspect, and we can reach out to our friends a real day for confirmation of this, and then come back to, by next week's episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: I suspect that there is that policy still in place that you can't share any video or photo footage from inside the aircraft. [SPEAKER_03]: because I haven't seen anything and yet it's open for sale for the public so I think that that is part of the conditions of courage at the moment that you cannot share anything and the reason why, of course, is they don't want to confuse the public because the aircraft does not have rear-dears products in any way, shape or form.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is an oh-man-air aircraft inside. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just painted with rear-end on the outside. [SPEAKER_00]: But Rio de Janeiro has some planes parked at Boeing right now. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so they're ready for delivery from what I understand. [SPEAKER_03]: It is still the final, final bits and pieces that need to be tidied up ahead of the entry into service.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that is taking time. [SPEAKER_03]: And don't forget, I identified the complexities that the war has added. [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that Rio has had a late launch because of Boeing. [SPEAKER_03]: But also the certification delays now. [SPEAKER_03]: This is just a whole new thing that is delaying we spoke last week Didn't we about Singapore Airlines now delaying that all new Kevin products again blaming certification?

[SPEAKER_03]: So this is also a problem. [SPEAKER_03]: So I want to have all of this is actually why we haven't heard from Tony Douglas the CEO of Rereder in a very long time He's seemingly hasn't he hasn't popped up at conferences. [SPEAKER_03]: He was at every conference talking about how the brand [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, would you book you should do it so that we if I can record then there really is no point in you spending I mean, I round What about if you do a video about how you couldn't record, but you just describe it properly [SPEAKER_00]: you can be like the guy that does the drawings in a courtland you can get for that yeah I can just pay some like person to draw cartoons the thing is I think we can already guess what it's gonna be like because if you're flying from London you're gonna get London catering which we've both had a million times

[SPEAKER_00]: especially I know exactly what the vegan options usually are out of London. [SPEAKER_00]: We know what the plates look like. [SPEAKER_00]: We know what the cutlery looks like. [SPEAKER_00]: We know what the amenity kit looks like. [SPEAKER_00]: We know what everything looks like. [SPEAKER_00]: So we can tell you what the experience is going to be like without having been on board.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know what the boarding music sounds like. [SPEAKER_00]: We know that the cabin mood lighting is going to be like. [SPEAKER_00]: Really all we need is the final product all combined with their planes and then we can talk about it But now I still don't think flying it would contribute much because we already know It's gonna be incredibly premium Really thought through and high quality hopefully We don't know what a standard menu will contain which I'm really curious about obviously no alcohol yet Which is how we got into this discussion [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we'll remain a huge challenge for read-air because as I said, the number of comments I get when I post a positive review of the likes of Saudiah, then I tend to post less positive reviews about some of the other dry airlines, not for that reason, but for other reasons.

[SPEAKER_00]: But even, you know, I think Saudiah is a fantastic airline. [SPEAKER_00]: And there's not really a difference between flying them and Qatar or Emirates or Etihad besides the alcohol, which is what keeps a lot of air light people away. [SPEAKER_00]: And there's no difference with rear air.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was just a year ago, Rieders CEO Tony Douglas said, quote, that it was Hiram and quote, totally utterly unacceptable, that the number one premium passenger for Qatar always are Saudi Nationals. [SPEAKER_03]: and you went on to say that rear-de-air will fix this for the kingdom. [SPEAKER_03]: Again, it's amazing how the state of play has now shifted and changed across the Gulf and the Middle East because of the ongoing conflict and how that has just shaken up everything because it's such a mixed picture right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: You have airlines moving and airlines not reared. [SPEAKER_03]: A year later hasn't even been able to get close to launching and has the added complexity of the [SPEAKER_03]: a record profit $6.8 billion for the last financial year, holding that place as the world's most profitable airline, and all 130K employees are receiving a bonus that is equal to 20 weeks of basic salary and progress.

[SPEAKER_03]: I shake him up to him saying, and shake him up to him saying that March 20, 26 will fade into memory, but we will never forget your bravery and incredible resilience. [SPEAKER_03]: You are called upon during one of the most complex and challenging times in our history, and you showed up with commitment and passion for that, I will remain forever grateful to you.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really impressive prominent picture there. [SPEAKER_03]: So to that, moving, Qatar have got that financial results out very soon. [SPEAKER_03]: And yesterday, April 4 announcing that confirmed launch in July to Bogota and Karakas in Venezuela. [SPEAKER_03]: Want to come in the most interesting new routes in our world?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but becoming the first Middle East Gulf Carrier to fly to Venezuela. [SPEAKER_03]: It's really, really interesting. [SPEAKER_03]: Kuwait, the rhetoric among Kuwaitis, Kuwait ever since the reopening of airspace and the gradual resumption of flights for Kuwait airways, Kuwaitis are angry.

[SPEAKER_03]: They feel that their fares are sky-high, which they are since the war on Kuwait airways. [SPEAKER_03]: and it's dominating the conversation across Kuwait almost daily, especially if you open Twitter and you kind of see the algorithm of Kuwaited Twitter, which my mind brings to me all the time, it's just outrage.

[SPEAKER_03]: They feel that Kuwait airways now is trying to take advantage of the situation and show that because they have limited flights from the competitors that Kuwait airways [SPEAKER_03]: gone down well with the local market. [SPEAKER_03]: Bahrain and Goldfares still very quiet, but of course with the new CEO Martin, who we had on a podcast, he's come over from a Baltic.

[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to be a bit more bullish, he's quite a personality and I'm sure we'll get a bit more noise there, but they've been so quiet because of the war. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just all so different for a few months ago, you know, it's just really interesting market to watch because it's in effect so many passengers globally.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it is really good to see that the major airlines have not done almost any layoffs as far as I'm aware, and then to see them also giving these bonuses, like basically 20 weeks of salary, 40%. [SPEAKER_00]: boost of their regular salary, that's life changing for a lot of people working at Emirates.

[SPEAKER_00]: If they're, you know, most people in catering and ground handling are from villages where they would not be earning remotely what they're earning here. [SPEAKER_00]: So then to get an additional top up is [SPEAKER_00]: makes all the difference for their families back home that they support and everyone else.

[SPEAKER_03]: So absolutely, I mean, it really does resonate. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's how to retain your workforce, because the of course there are other ways in ensuring a workplace that is that is of of a decent culture, but the the bottom line financials that they individuals feel. [SPEAKER_03]: Since Emirates have announced their financial results, when I walk through the airport and I see or I come across an airline sector staff that know me or know us from the podcast and so on.

[SPEAKER_03]: The second or third question is about bonuses. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you see Emirates what they're given to the staff? [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know if the airlines are going to follow suit? [SPEAKER_03]: Did you see the big profits that Emirates announced and how they were the bonus? [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think X?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, so it's it's it's really something. [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, there's been so much since last week. [SPEAKER_03]: Mark Carney, the leader of Canada present for that big signing between Airbus and Air Asia, saw this so trust. [SPEAKER_03]: This is the single, the largest single order of commercial aircraft in Canada's history.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm amazed. [SPEAKER_03]: Airbus did not save this up for Farmbra, which is just in a couple of months and I feel this is this shifting way that airlines [SPEAKER_03]: Aircroft now, which we've spoken about in the podcast, is way more political, is way more of a state event, even when the airline ordering is entirely private, nothing to do with the state.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's now a bilateral diplomatic state weapon. [SPEAKER_03]: that if there is a significant aircraft order, it's not simply the airline CO present within the manufacturer, but they loop in the government guys and that's what happened with the order of 150 Airbus A220 aircraft that will be built by Canadian workers on Canadian factory floors supporting thousands of careers across Canada, Mirabel and so on, the customer of course [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just find that such a it's such a tasty order in the sense that it's supporting Canada It's supporting Europe.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's doing so much on several continents so I'm like, okay, I like it and you like it so much you need a glass of water right now. [SPEAKER_03]: I hate I do yeah [SPEAKER_00]: take a sip. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very interesting order also because we have a fully low-cost airline committing the biggest e220 order ever.

[SPEAKER_00]: The e220 is obviously a lovely aircraft to fly as a passenger. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you will launch it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's just 300 don't forget. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the 800. [SPEAKER_00]: But that will be exciting and let's hope this puts additional pressure on Airbus for the A22500, which a lot of airlines seem interested in and of course as passengers and aircraft with a two three configuration rather than a two or rather than a three three I should say, is very nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: We always call it the Mini A350, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's exactly what it feels like. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a [SPEAKER_03]: a really cool order and so that's it. [SPEAKER_03]: If you're in here in Asia, A220 is coming to a town near you. [SPEAKER_00]: I wish the gold fair lines would order them, like especially for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's the engines. [SPEAKER_03]: I know, but Aresia operates in a really hot, I guess they don't have the sand, but it's the sand and the dust and the performance in the Middle East still, and that's why we haven't seen the A220 BS success. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't forget that we're at many islands that kind of each of [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, it's they don't work with the sand and the dust of at least by the way one last question just curiosity for me do we have a new a321 Neo operator coming soon not in terms of orders but deliveries that you know, I'm very excited for [SPEAKER_00]: in the Middle East. [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, yes, well, if all goes to plan, yes, so, later this year, Cataroa here, could use later this year, if all goes to plan, but who knows?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because of the supply chain, certification, the straight-up or moves, all these targets, but they're planned. [SPEAKER_03]: Is that later this year Catero is will enter into service a new aircraft type it will be the a through 21 lr long-range Those will be the first of the deliveries and That's going to come loaded with brand new Cabin products in business class and economy so it's and it will go straight to Gothamburg that is so exciting now now [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's keep with reality.

[SPEAKER_03]: Look, this aircraft paves the way for some kind of return to the Gothamburg Riviera, perhaps. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that Mario did that hard enough, we can make it happen. [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, you just need to work harder. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because if you put in as much effort as you do on the podcast, I think Gothamburg would thrive.

[SPEAKER_03]: But tell that to BA that is like downsizing his operation there. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, yeah, if we can only get one daily BA, it scares me a bit. [SPEAKER_00]: But we do get one to twice daily Turkish, A321 years. [SPEAKER_03]: But by that, you know, by that logic Turkish fly everywhere.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: That was show up. [SPEAKER_03]: That was show up anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: Just to keep that tagline of weave lines to the most places. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, great. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the tea. [SPEAKER_03]: Woohoo.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Qatar would like that tagline, although taking it from Turkish will be nearly impossible, but they have the, you know, opportunity to, um, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's, let's just jump quickly to some Q&A. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's do it. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I have a really quick question here from John.

[SPEAKER_03]: He wants our thoughts on Delta's 44-seat first class A321 Neo flying on U.S. Transcontinental routes at Lanter to LA, San Diego San Francisco and Seattle with a config that features 44 first class seats. [SPEAKER_03]: What do we think of that? [SPEAKER_00]: I love the prospects for Delta elites to get upgraded like crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think, well, maybe we should give the context here, which is that just like so many other airlines, Delta has an opening to get their business costs, life, flat, narrowbody seats certified. [SPEAKER_00]: These aircraft were supposed to be flying premium transcontinental routes, routes to Western Europe, but because they're seasonal, it can be certified and these planes have been sitting around.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them for around a year now, they thought, let's just... [SPEAKER_00]: put some first class seats in here and not some a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: Basically it looks like it takes up almost half the plane and then fly this around, get as much revenue as we can, and once our seats are certified, we'll take these planes out of service and swap those out.

[SPEAKER_00]: But for now, I think it's making an interesting solution to a annoying situation. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm happy for Delta's frequent flyers, the cabin, based on what it looks like for the reason. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think it's going to be a case of, don't you think the person, because there's a lot of, like, do you know who I am, Delta elite flyers, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: They really feel they are the frequent flyers of the world, and it's like slow down, you're just flying to New York and LA, yeah, via Atlanta or over anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: So, do you not think that having 44 of them, if you are the person at the back of that 44 cabin? [SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to feel like you're in the same same cabin as the person right at the front by the time the car reaches you, I think it's going to be like, you know, I'm a one million miler and I'm a, you know, I just feel it, okay, it's not every flight is going to be like this, but 44, what point does economy sound rather quiet and comfortable, but 44 raging elites in first class.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but this is how I feel whenever I see any BA aircraft that's like 70 business class seats or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll quite the much, but there are triple seven, 300s. [SPEAKER_00]: The premium cabins go way behind the wing, even. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So then I'm like, well, at that point in business, you're basically one of [SPEAKER_00]: the majority, and everyone else is some premium economy is more niche than business on that plane.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, business class for the many, not for the few. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: The idea is shit, wealth. [SPEAKER_00]: So this happens on a lot of airlines, and I feel like, on, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: The positive is just that a lot of people get free upgrades, so they'll be happy about it, but that is one thing I noticed that because US Airlines, there's just upgrades everywhere and people are using points and vouchers to upgrade.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like every single flight on United for example. [SPEAKER_00]: If you find one MTC in business that is stalking, it's almost always packed, but then you can scroll back to economy, and it's MTC, so business is completely full, and every economy passenger has a road to themselves and loads the toilets.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's actually a better experience than premium people in that travel world. [SPEAKER_03]: We're just living in it. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: So just a couple more things here. [SPEAKER_00]: Sarah says, this is horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm boarding a 787 transit lantic flight out of 810 today at Heathrow and can't help the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But think that this is somehow linking back to the podcast. [SPEAKER_03]: I've amazed that we've taken something, we introduced this to complain about it and somehow we get blamed. [SPEAKER_03]: That's then you think, somehow the listeners come and get here and touch the blame us for something that we were also angry about.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the biggest association with with Tanninalex on air is the worst gate of T-5. [SPEAKER_03]: Great. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That is also, I think it's actually, I was complaining about that, not you from the store. [SPEAKER_03]: But since you said it, I get it constantly.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not natural how many times I've been getting a 10 recently. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want to talk about it because I'm worried that there's some kind of game. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my solution was just to stop flying BA and that has worked great. [SPEAKER_00]: That's been the most effective solution to this Heart sorry, I've no idea how to pronounce this name says Hope you're doing well, big list in our since day one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you heard about the latest bid to save spirit airlines? [SPEAKER_00]: It's a crowd Funding called let's buy spirit and it has already raised [SPEAKER_00]: Well, almost $450 million within the last few days. [SPEAKER_03]: What is a TikTok creator that I said the campaign has already drawn you more?

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, the only thing I would say is that, let's say, let's say they raised 200 mil, okay, 200 million US dollars. [SPEAKER_03]: That would be enough for about three months worth of cash to cover, to cover, wait for it. [SPEAKER_03]: If I just do this calculation one second. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, 200 million US dollars would be enough to pay for the fuel bill only for a few months.

[SPEAKER_03]: that is crazy. [SPEAKER_03]: Just the feel that's not because that's not the normal feel that's the fuel of today which has been the fuel since February 28th and it's just got wasn't wasn't was. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes so the website you can actually go it's let's buy spirit air.com you can learn all about this movement as they're calling it where they say spirit 2.0 owned by us so they want the people [SPEAKER_00]: I fear that people who are throwing their money into this are actually actually you get a vote if you give So voting weight.

[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really seem to matter how much why NBC leading with the headline Get in loser we're buying spirit [SPEAKER_00]: I love that, but it's a lot of stupid idea, this is what I'm saying is if you invest a thousand dollars in this, you're just, you could just spend that money to fly Delta instead of spirit.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I understand spirit flew a lot of routes that Delta or United or American or Southwest didn't serve, but this is a fascinating, very modern, and keep an eye on you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, keep an eye. [SPEAKER_00]: We will. [SPEAKER_00]: And so on that note, you guys, thank you for joining us today.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have spoken about the whole world I feel like. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hover to the bottom back. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And we look forward to seeing you again, same place, same podcast next week. [SPEAKER_00]: See you next week, everyone. [SPEAKER_00]: See you then on air. [SPEAKER_00]: Bye bye.

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