Singapore Airlines Is Revealing New Cabins: Our Wish List

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Dan and I'm Alex and welcome back to on air coming to you live from Singapore. [SPEAKER_01]: In person, we reunite after almost a year. [SPEAKER_01]: We only meet in Singapore. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only place we ever want to meet. [SPEAKER_00]: But it is the center of the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: In aviation at least by some extent, but it is funny that I mean, okay, we were lost together in person in London, but we did not record. [SPEAKER_00]: It was in December. [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, here we are again in Singapore in a studio. [SPEAKER_01]: What do I like about being in Singapore?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you lined at at night. [SPEAKER_01]: I lined it during the day. [SPEAKER_01]: So I love looking at the variety of airlines that fly here. [SPEAKER_01]: Because for example, you have Fiji airways flying to Singapore. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: They also fly to Hong Kong.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's Tokyo. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's like these three Asian cities that get the premium traffic. [SPEAKER_01]: But then personally, I also feel that Singapore has the most. [SPEAKER_01]: premium overall offering for a passenger, which is really Alan. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but do you remember, I mean, it was well over a year ago when we were last in Singapore together, recording the studio, and we literally did a deep dive on the number on how liberal it is here as an aviation market to set up shop here and fly, which is why there's just so much choice, and and everyone either uses Singapore as their technical stop, the few stop, [SPEAKER_00]: they exercise the fifth freedom rights, so from an aviation perspective, and for us, that's a treat.

[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of it is also around Australia, the fifth freedom show. [SPEAKER_01]: You just came from Australia. [SPEAKER_01]: Last week we spoke about, it was interesting to hear the comments of people saying, well, to us, Avgeek Aussies is actually so fun to have, yeah, thin air, Turkish Airlines.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people were saying they loved it. [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: How was your time in Australia? [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: It was really good. [SPEAKER_00]: So when I spoke with you last week, I was still in Sydney at the time. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I flew Quantess a through 21 XLR to Melbourne, which was really interesting to fly a factory fresh XLR aircraft on one of the world's busiest and shortest domestic routes is a little over an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I mean, the Quantess operation, [SPEAKER_00]: it obviously heavily relied upon because there isn't much competition in Australia, something that is difficult for Australian consumers, and they need more of. [SPEAKER_00]: But interesting to see then how that translates into, okay, so if you are booking a full service carer like conscious, what are your offerings?

[SPEAKER_00]: And they've gone for a business class, I redeemed avios, and it was like kind of an armchair thing. [SPEAKER_00]: But with small quirks that I couldn't understand how they've made their way into the cabin in, you know, on the cost of 2027. [SPEAKER_00]: For example, do you know they've installed a traditional pull-down footrest?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, those are not unheard of these days. [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I feel like they're the student front. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it was such a big armchair and you're quite close to it, the legroom is not amazing, that it got in the way. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was no way to put your back.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I just feel that there are so many seat innovations this year last year and of laid that it's funny that you have an airline on a brand new aircraft choosing something that's been around since the 70s. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you made me think one thing that we grew up with is the cigarette.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like where you put out cigarettes. [SPEAKER_00]: When I used to fly on BA 767, it was like you could, you know, ping it back and see that he is worth or left over hash. [SPEAKER_01]: But it was in every seat and it's crazy because I haven't registered that now it's disappearing Of course, but I remember as a kid playing with it because I would like oh, it's this little thing I can open and close open and close with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't like stick my hand in another kid [SPEAKER_00]: What was it back? [SPEAKER_00]: For just it full of buzz and back. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and there are still sometimes you don't on social media. [SPEAKER_00]: You see people wondering why they still have that on the lavatory door.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: People confuse when you haven't been able to smoke in an aircraft for the decades. [SPEAKER_01]: Which ice. [SPEAKER_01]: So the reason it's there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Is in case someone decides to smoke. [SPEAKER_01]: You need to say one thing to put it out there instead of extinguish.

[SPEAKER_01]: Throwing it out in the trash where it will start a fire. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just like, there's so many layers where I find that bizarre because first of all, if you've already smoked, which is against the law everywhere, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Are you thinking of like, let me make sure I put it out in the right place?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, because it has the knitted. [SPEAKER_00]: It's so that the crew also have that space to extinguish it safely, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not just relying on the passenger, if they will have smoke and then you'll say, you know what, I want to be the responsible citizen, as you said, is so that the crew have a safe way to extinguish it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why. [SPEAKER_00]: the the XLR of course has all the the latest design quirks in other areas like the the XL bins right so the overhead lockers and again very interesting to see how another airline educates and and and and harnesses the experience by informing the passengers of that we know we've said before some of the European airlines don't bother to communicate that these new generation of overhead lockers now allow us every single person basically to have a big bag.

[SPEAKER_00]: Quantus were taking that time with really leg-the announcements saying, by the way, this is very different to the 73-7s that are usually on this route. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how they were explaining it. [SPEAKER_00]: They were saying, because of the overhead lockers, you can put it on its side.

[SPEAKER_00]: It still needs to go and it was fast. [SPEAKER_00]: So they did a really good job I thought are communicating that out. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was also interesting to see the crew get to grips with what is clearly the first [SPEAKER_00]: That's a Canadian aircraft. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a bombardier jet.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's not this stunning plane, but very different. [SPEAKER_00]: It had nothing to do with it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with Europe. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's interesting now that they have an aircraft that type that is so common elsewhere. [SPEAKER_00]: they did seem to struggle a bit and that's because they were new and it was everything they were because I was sitting right at the front they could they were struggling to find and locate things in the galley they're asking questions to each other they were asking during the service so where are we supposed to put this or where do we put that trade on and that was really interesting because of course every passenger in the cabin is just chilling and reading and I'm like I'm observing you know the little quads as to how they're getting on with with a factory fresh new type aircraft.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so we spoke about this last week as well. [SPEAKER_01]: I think we have a few some answers potentially. [SPEAKER_01]: Why is Quantus using an E321 XLR beside crew training, which is obviously temporary? [SPEAKER_01]: Why is that a domestic aircraft that could be served by an E320 Neo?

[SPEAKER_00]: So the 321XLR typically aligns are using it to fly those slim, thin, long-range routes with the economics that are great of a single-wall, typically short-haul aircraft. [SPEAKER_00]: So you get the short-haul economics but the long-range delivered. [SPEAKER_00]: With contests they're using the XLR, [SPEAKER_00]: To do what the 737 is struggling to do on routes like Perth.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Perth relies a lot on imports and a lot of that comes through cargo and in the belly of Quantas Jets. [SPEAKER_00]: But when you have a 737 crossing Australia from parts of the East Coast or even Sydney, Melbourne, flying to Perth, [SPEAKER_00]: Because of everything to do with the number of passengers of the payload on board, the range and the restrictions of the 737 when it's quite heavy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course, the cargo required a necessary to be taking into part that day. [SPEAKER_00]: The 737 that Quantas use struggles with that a little. [SPEAKER_00]: And so what the 831XLR does is it gives Quantas the additional range to relax. [SPEAKER_00]: with the amount of cargo and payload they have in the cabin.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they can fly full both upstairs in the passenger cabin and downstairs with cargo and not have to be concerned about weather or different routines impacting actually we need to block 10 seats above or we need to carry less cargo in the cargo hold. [SPEAKER_00]: Which is great, as I said, for someone like Perth in Western Australia that massively relies on imports by air.

[SPEAKER_01]: To me, what doesn't make sense about the colonists, if you're 21, XLR decision, is that initially, we only had a domestic cabin for this aircraft. [SPEAKER_01]: There were no lifelots, seats, like most airlines are putting on this aircraft. [SPEAKER_00]: So I had flown on the didn't it?

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a recliner, right? [SPEAKER_01]: A recliner. [SPEAKER_01]: But that could be on an A through 20 Neo, or an A through 20 LR. [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. [SPEAKER_01]: So they're saying, well, we could send this aircraft to Manila. [SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, they're going to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brisbane. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But you said, all right, there needs to be cargo to Western Australia. [SPEAKER_01]: But there's actually way more cargo space on the E321 Mio, which could also be the right of the E321 Mio, which could also be the right of the E321 Mio. [SPEAKER_01]: So I question that decision to assign the E321, I so long.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows their economics, better than the L on itself, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So they will have studied this, but I do think there is scope. [SPEAKER_00]: to explore how the 321XLR has perhaps cannibalised of 321LR orders a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: And that is common with aircraft that are similar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Look at the 33800. [SPEAKER_00]: Almost no orders barely in service anyway, yet it's still able to be produced by Airbus. [SPEAKER_00]: What killed off the 33800 before it even had a chance to start is older brother, the 900-year-old resistive innovation. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's probably played a role.

[SPEAKER_01]: which is because the additional unit cost is so small. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, per additional passenger to get the bigger aircraft. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: So airlines won't have flexibility, but it's worth it. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: But the challenge with the E321 XLR is that it doesn't have that much cargo space.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, which is an issue when you're flying trains at Lantic or the Middle East to Europe. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Because especially the Gulf Airlines rely on imports more than anyone. [SPEAKER_01]: go as incredibly valuable. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why it's a mostly wide body operation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: So when Qatar was flying to Gothamburg, for example, it wasn't a huge deal, but the cabin wasn't full every day because the bellie was full of fish and imports flour was, you know, pharmaceuticals is, I think a general, if speaking generally, if we look at the Gulf carriers, [SPEAKER_00]: around 18 to 20% of their roots are profitable purely because of cargo only.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So it actually doesn't matter what's happening upstairs in the passenger cabin. [SPEAKER_00]: Now that says a lot, those are unique economics that are specific to that region, but also that put into the question, okay, when we want to understand why an airline is flying a specific aircraft or [SPEAKER_00]: it goes and extends way beyond what's happening in the passenger cabin, the load factors in business or economy, actually sometimes it's entirely determined by what's happening downstairs with cargo and and I mean goodness is this the year for that like air or you know the reliance on it because of the way that global shipping has been affected by the the ongoing conflict and the yeah effective closure of the straightable moves.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, really since COVID, it's been completely different for Aircargo, but this gets back to the A321XLR because this aircraft changes the economics of the roots that especially Gulf Airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: are going to fly because now they need passengers to fill those planes. [SPEAKER_01]: Etihad is the only, I mean, okay, Arabia also flies it very different because it's a very dense configuration.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Saudi, yes, precisely, but so for Etihad and Saudi, they're not really able to carry cargo on the European routes on the A321LR. [SPEAKER_00]: But they wouldn't, that's not what they'll be looking to utilize the 320XLR for, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the LR for, and that's, and that's again, why these things are still airline specific, because if you've got these airlines have massive wide body aircraft to do the jobs, then, you know, each little part is doing its bit for a very specific reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just an additional little challenge for those secondary cities like Gothenburg or Luxembourg or whatever where demand is not going to be there year round to fill the aircraft and we need to start ordering more online. [SPEAKER_00]: Ordering or anything right from Gothenburg or two Gothenburg in short, you know, you need to drive up that e-commerce.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, so there is a 77 instead of me. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, so that you can at least ensure the longevity of this random irrelevant route that means so much to you. [SPEAKER_01]: It is not random, it is not irrelevant, it means everything. [SPEAKER_01]: So speaking of the overhead bins, I have a crazy story I haven't told you that you completely reminded me of, because you know in the U.S., it is the country of [SPEAKER_01]: overfall overhead bins.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's what I mean. [SPEAKER_01]: Europe is Europe is big yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's with us as well. [SPEAKER_01]: But in the US, okay, it's one thing on a, you know, on lifetimes that I don't know how much they even charge to add a checked bag to be honest. [SPEAKER_01]: But in the US, we're talking $50 plus for one checked bag.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And people are flying so frequently. [SPEAKER_01]: So they just always try to go carry on only or put, they don't, they never weigh the carry on. [SPEAKER_01]: So they also try to, [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, bring a twine key. [SPEAKER_00]: No, they're carrying on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Carry on, wait, thing. [SPEAKER_00]: When I was at Melbourne, and I was flying, I just checked in, I checked in two bags, because I ran on quite a long trip. [SPEAKER_00]: And as I approached the fast track security to go, she immediately stopped me, she said, can we just put your hand like a genre scales?

[SPEAKER_00]: So I straight away said to her, I'm in business. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know, just need to put your hand like it on the scales. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything, she said together. [SPEAKER_01]: So that means the dad or dad terrifies me. [SPEAKER_00]: So of course, I'm thinking, well, I haven't packed with this in mind, and also, like, I've just seen my cousins in Australia, I've had an amazing time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going back with, [SPEAKER_00]: with quite a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: So I put my stuff on and she was like, look to me, she goes to me. [SPEAKER_00]: We're very flying too. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, uh, so you want to pour? [SPEAKER_00]: No, sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't, I was going to Melbourne to the castle.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was in Sydney. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So she said, so this was at Sydney. [SPEAKER_00]: She's very fine, too. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, Melbourne. [SPEAKER_00]: She said, well, this is too heavy. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, um, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I said, so I'm standing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Yeah, what am I supposed to do? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm one ward, Emerald. [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the Pisces. [SPEAKER_00]: My name begins with that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of looking at that. [SPEAKER_00]: She was like, this is too heavy.

[SPEAKER_00]: You need to... How much was it? [SPEAKER_00]: 14. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not even a lot, right? [SPEAKER_01]: When they weigh mine, I swear it's like 20 plus. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I said to her, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: She said, like, it needs to be. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember what it meant.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe we needed to be 10. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, oh, I wasn't aware. [SPEAKER_00]: She was like, oh no, yeah, I said, okay, so what now? [SPEAKER_00]: She was kind of looking at the bathroom. [SPEAKER_00]: She said, are you flying corners again after this flight? [SPEAKER_00]: I said to know this is Melbourne's my final destination.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not flying here. [SPEAKER_00]: Not after this. [SPEAKER_00]: I said to her, um, so she goes, okay, she said, um, [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to let you go through this this one time. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, okay, she said, but, you know, if I see you again, with these heavy bags, I don't think we're not going to see each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Face. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, remember. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so I went through, but that was a surprise. [SPEAKER_01]: But what was the weight limit did you see? [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was 10. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even so the fact that most airlines have seven is absolutely insane even 10.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like [SPEAKER_01]: Take your bag, a laptop, and like a couple of small toiletries. [SPEAKER_01]: You're already a 10 kilos. [SPEAKER_00]: So you know what I want you to say once I brought you the aircraft. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you see this magazine, is this thick? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, if we each remove these magazines and we switch to digital literature, guess what, you don't have to stand there, checking every single world person's weight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the excess weight on that aircraft already staggering that they were going for, you know, crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: And they see the saying, so in the US, [SPEAKER_01]: They never wear it. [SPEAKER_00]: It was, sorry, it's my, where they never wear your bags. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a carry on overload group five basic economy that always have to get checked their bags.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a guarantee. [SPEAKER_00]: The end of the building. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: And they also offer Pete, like as if it's a park. [SPEAKER_01]: But they encourage people to get checked their bags. [SPEAKER_00]: in exchange for like an idea for doing a thing, just like P.A.G.

[SPEAKER_00]: that now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just if you don't want to shut it around, we'll get check it for you. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, thanks for that favor, as if I don't want it with me. [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't I think that I drew into booking courses? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is United, and this story is going to be in my upcoming videos.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going out on here early. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So this was a bit of an exclusive for the [SPEAKER_01]: So this was actually all of this was just from LAX to San Francisco, like a short, easy flight, 737-900. [SPEAKER_01]: I was in first class. [SPEAKER_01]: So we boarded with first.

[SPEAKER_01]: We get on board. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't even say hi. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I have to read like to make sure I'm being accurate. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: What happened? [SPEAKER_01]: they don't say hi at the door, whatever, that's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: We sit down, no problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: This tiny woman boards after us. [SPEAKER_01]: She must have been five feet. [SPEAKER_01]: It was Serena Carpenter. [SPEAKER_01]: Tiny woman. [SPEAKER_01]: She has a big carry on, like everyone does. [SPEAKER_01]: That's big as hell. [SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, she's like, literally, she's trying to get it up.

[SPEAKER_01]: No way, she's going to get it up into the overhead bin, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: So, she's standing there. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't tell me no, it's help. [SPEAKER_01]: It's chaos in the aisle, no one's helping because the aisle is full. [SPEAKER_01]: But the flight attendant, one of the flight attendants from the galley, instead of coming over to help, they won't help in the US.

[SPEAKER_01]: But instead of doing that, she shouts [SPEAKER_01]: from the galley to this woman. [SPEAKER_01]: Wheels first, as she's, she can't even, forget about wheels first. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even about that. [SPEAKER_01]: Literally, again, the woman looks over. [SPEAKER_01]: Wheels first. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, help.

[SPEAKER_01]: So someone helps her thankfully at that moment. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, she could have at least said, like, ma'am, miss, you might have had better luck if you try with the wheels first or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: So then there's obviously the bins are full. [SPEAKER_01]: The same flight of tenant comes around.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there's another woman sitting down, mining her business. [SPEAKER_01]: The flight of tenant goes, is this your bag? [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, yeah, yeah it is. [SPEAKER_01]: So I need to make sure it's accurate, because I don't wanna, yeah, is this your bag, you had it? [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna have to move it, this isn't gonna close.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not the only passenger. [SPEAKER_01]: This is also, they should never do this, but this is in first class. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a six-sam flight. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everyone's tired. [SPEAKER_01]: So the woman stands up, moves her bag, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: Then the flight attendant goes to the galley and loudly says to the other crew member, who's there.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a couple of attitudes over here today, pointing at the short woman and at the girl, the woman who she asked to move the bag of. [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, everyone could see it, everyone could hear it. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh God, you tell me this and I'm like, let's wake it up, don't leave it in the evening.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because you also, you cannot say anything, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't talk back, you can't be like, that's rude, hey, like don't treat these women like that. [SPEAKER_01]: If you say that, they'll kick you off and they'll wake it up. [SPEAKER_01]: You're all staying in LA.

[SPEAKER_00]: staying in LA now it sounds quite appealing that's true that's true you know what I didn't want to go to well are we going anyway on the flight San Francisco it's also down the road yeah it's how it's how a tripping is crazy it is and like you can get any of the unconscious they will lovely yeah loads of glorious yeah [SPEAKER_00]: We're these glasses or the same glasses.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, second quantist. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_00]: I did Is Chuck Payne. [SPEAKER_00]: I love how you know who I'm talking about. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it looks so similar Like they don't look similar. [SPEAKER_00]: They they have made themselves look similar. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is [SPEAKER_01]: which should be fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is nice when the crew have a cohesive look. [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas like in the U.S. [SPEAKER_01]: There's one who looks like a Starbucks breeze. [SPEAKER_01]: One who looks like he straight out the military. [SPEAKER_01]: One who looks like he owns a car mechanic because it's not a gray arrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: At least they used to be in that. [SPEAKER_00]: Or if you don't have this place, it wears something gray. [SPEAKER_01]: in the same. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, someone will be wearing like dragon earrings. [SPEAKER_01]: And they look like they all look like you've gathered from across the different industries.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like diversity. [SPEAKER_01]: And one, these people who should not all be together. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's based there's no consistency in their style, guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Which is funny for our lines that are actually investing a lot in premium.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is still so patchy in the US and again actually it's what's been nice obviously I was in New York just a few excote. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the [SPEAKER_00]: the consistency and the kind of uniform way that things operate here in Southeast Asia, of course, in Singapore is like the pinnacle for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everything just makes sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything is with such little fuss and just seemingly works and this is nothing new. [SPEAKER_00]: We've often spoken about Southeast Asian specifically Singapore in this way. [SPEAKER_00]: I flew on this Singapore A380 here from Melbourne, which is great because they operate the 350 and the triple seven from Melbourne as well, [SPEAKER_00]: And it was great to be on the aircraft that I delivered right there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But some of those years ago almost the decade ago. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That was an amazing flight. [SPEAKER_00]: The delivery from Taliz to Singapore. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a meteorite. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a name carved somewhere on the aircraft? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I left like a small mark.

[SPEAKER_00]: in first class. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just like I weren't in first class. [SPEAKER_00]: I trust it's still there. [SPEAKER_00]: But the the way that I would say that what Singapore achieved in that premium experience, [SPEAKER_00]: is something that is felt rather than what is very easily kind of described or something that is something that you can notice or touch or see or something, you know, physical honesty.

[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, it is that feeling and I wonder if you agree, when you bought a Singapore or specific, in any cabin. [SPEAKER_00]: There is this sanctuary like zen feeling that there is a cross and extends right across the cabin. [SPEAKER_00]: There even after having just left the terminal in Melbourne that was quite chaotic and you're boarding an A3T, these airports and these terminals are not designed really for that, so it's crazy and busy impact.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you board and maybe it's the way that the afternoon someone was coming in and the music was gently playing and it's the cabin and the color palette that they use throughout the cabin. [SPEAKER_00]: But that Zen-like feeling is immediately premium, and I think airlines should be chasing after what passengers feel, not simply what they can touch pick up, interact with, connect to.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is that feeling that I think resonates the most, especially as a first impression, you sit down and it's X-Hail time. [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's that. [SPEAKER_00]: is a great way to sum up Singapore Airlines before they have even done anything because we know that there are many areas that they get away with.

[SPEAKER_00]: They'll go into that because it's also part of the reason why we're in Singapore. [SPEAKER_00]: But I wonder if you agree on that kind of to the extent they deliver that very natural, very authentic feeling. [SPEAKER_01]: You're 100% right, and there's so many layers that you don't actively think about the contribute to giving you that feeling.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a few other airlines to do that correctly around the world. [SPEAKER_01]: What's funny? [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, something's just, probably just about, oh, come to it. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, [SPEAKER_00]: But it's actually imagining you in the back kind of because you're an expel.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is well orchestrating like now music now. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like it's that's right. [SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly fragrance and now together walk. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, dazzle with the universe. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's like very well things like. [SPEAKER_01]: How the crew stand when they, when you enter, small things like that, how they take your boarding pass from you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Those little, all those little things add up to immediately make you feel, oh, wow, there's something here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't have to be that you're getting the very, [SPEAKER_01]: Classy relaxing vibe that you get on Singapore Airlines.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah other airlines aim for different things But I think Emirates is also very good at immediately you step on boarding you're like, okay I'm on an Emirates flight you could close your eyes and you know you could you know You could hold your ears. [SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised you're eyes you were [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you could close your eyes and hold your ears and you'd still be able to sort of smell it like yeah It's every sense that contributes to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I remember texting you from my flight because I also flew to Hanna and SQ Yeah, the first second of the safety video has already established what type of safety video it is yeah But the best thing something that no other airline does that makes you feel like you're in a movie that is just [SPEAKER_01]: Unparalleled in how it contributes to single-part airlines branding in my opinion is the music they start playing during descent and for landing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Because it's very subtle. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not it is not loud enough that if you are free-conflying, you'd be Oh, it depends though on my flight the crew was like cranking it up. [SPEAKER_00]: See, I'm full of that with Singapore at least because the music's great [SPEAKER_01]: And it was epic because you know you're banking over the bay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, over the bay, you see the ships and everything. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's Singapore Airlines Signature Music. [SPEAKER_01]: They're cementing their branding. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But playing it in the air, although I understand it, can't get annoying for the crew again.

[SPEAKER_01]: But annoying for frequent fires. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's immense it in your mind. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this is this is Singapore Airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm landing on a Singapore Airlines flight all those other flights Don't have music when you're landing lame. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is [SPEAKER_01]: It just takes it to that.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's also the very, I mean, in the in the chase for Primer as a premium, sorry, in the chase for premiumization, there is a lot that can be learned from the likes of singer prolines that that take it in a very, as we said, it's from the ground up is built with authenticity, they're not ticking boxes and and this clearly resonates with that crew, who are ultimately tasked with delivering that experience, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to the crew training center tomorrow and a Friday, we have a very special [SPEAKER_00]: but the little kind of noticeable moments once I had boarded, for example. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they're greeting passengers by name, which is a lovely touch with any element, that does that, and they were saying, I'm Mr. Machara, so you...

[SPEAKER_00]: But then what I noticed is, for example, when the couple in front of me had boarded, and they literally just arrived to their seat, and he was taking off his jacket. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a robotic interaction where they checked his name, and then they were saying to him, oh, Mr. Hughes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, the crew was in the aisle and he was approaching the passenger, and this was the first ever interaction, and he said, Mr. Hughes, let me take a jacket for you. [SPEAKER_00]: That was the first interaction. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's no prompts, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Not at least that it ever, ever done to anyone in the passenger cabin.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not looking at a phone or an iPad or a piece of paper. [SPEAKER_00]: And these tiny moments build that feeling where a passenger in the back of his mind is thinking, well, how did [SPEAKER_00]: You know that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just the name. [SPEAKER_00]: But it, but this extends right back to what Panam used to achieve.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there is, is that same premium design that actually in the modern age, where AI and everything has become super, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say inhumane as it's a, you know, it's a travel season, but, but in human, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So like we're not, you know, we're not feeling that level of human interaction as we do previously.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those tiny things go a long way and boy, just single-parallel lines do it very well. [SPEAKER_01]: 100% and what I love is that they trust their crew, the feeling is that they trust their crew. [SPEAKER_01]: to be themselves was still maintaining the standards. [SPEAKER_01]: So they let them do things that have personality and do things that other airlines might not encourage.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like on my flight, we had brought some of our favorite food onto the plane. [SPEAKER_01]: It was hot, but obviously it was going to go like take away from the title exactly take away from the terminal the the person as you what was welcoming us on board after we'd sat down. [SPEAKER_01]: Notice the bag you went what's in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, just some take away please Mister Mister Mister Dan. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mister Dan may I heat that up for you after take off. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, that's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to eat it before. [SPEAKER_01]: Please. [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to enjoy it as much as possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a reason we have a microwave on board. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so that I can do things like this for you. [SPEAKER_01]: Please. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take the rice. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll put the food on the rice. [SPEAKER_01]: You'll get it nicely presented and you'll enjoy it much more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Please. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me do that for you. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, no, it's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I insist. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, sure. [SPEAKER_01]: It's happening. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's happening. [SPEAKER_01]: And then after take off. [SPEAKER_01]: We had a long, long taxi so I was like, I can't we had to eat because we were hungry.

[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't wait for that. [SPEAKER_01]: It was so hot. [SPEAKER_01]: So after taking coffee comes around, he noticed as we were eating our own board meal. [SPEAKER_01]: He goes, tell me the truth. [SPEAKER_01]: What's better this? [SPEAKER_01]: Or what you brought? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was like, I'll be honest, the food we brought.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, I knew it. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's, you know, this is a specific scenario. [SPEAKER_00]: You were having a plant based, which can be a bit. [SPEAKER_01]: not right on their own. [SPEAKER_01]: But even just the fact that first of all, he was so comfortable with offering to heat an outside meal on board.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if they're supposed to, but this is this to me is going above and beyond because they feel comfortable to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas [SPEAKER_01]: I feel a lot of other airlines try to be so rigid and what the crew are allowed to do and not allowed to do. [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to premium, but actually some of the best service I've had has also been on US carriers, on European carriers, on certain flights where, again, the crew feel so empowered to be themselves and to go outside of the conventional systems.

[SPEAKER_01]: But they've [SPEAKER_01]: They know, I guess, inherently, or they've been taught at certain airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: This is what is good hospitality. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not just customer service. [SPEAKER_01]: It's how do we make someone feel welcome and taken care of, because, yes, we're there for your safety.

[SPEAKER_01]: But how do we make someone come back and actually build the company we work for, which benefits us on the long term by making them feel at home? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's a nice segue into why we're here. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get to that. [SPEAKER_00]: So almost 10 years ago, Singapore Airlines unveiled to the world a brand new portfolio of cabin products extending right across from economy, premium economy that would have been for the first time.

[SPEAKER_00]: business class and suites. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a product, a portfolio of products that changed aviation for the better in that it once again raised the benchmark in all cabins, but specifically in premium cabins and especially in that top tier with suites. [SPEAKER_00]: And 10 years later, it's a little under 10 years later, but almost the same date in November.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are back in Singapore for what is a fresh decade announcement of a brand new portfolio of cabin products once again. [SPEAKER_00]: Dan and I will join Singapore Airlines this week in seeing a brand new portfolio economy. [SPEAKER_00]: premium business and sweets, along with all other cabin products, including IFE, upgrades to their in flight, dining experience, there are many tickets and so on.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is a full, clean, sweet for a new chapter, a new era of air travel. [SPEAKER_00]: At a time, Dan, where airlines are leveling up, Singapore Airlines, [SPEAKER_00]: this is going to be a big week. [SPEAKER_01]: It is our Singapore Airlines kind of like the apple of aviation in the sense that they sit back.

[SPEAKER_01]: They look at what everyone else is doing, but they don't just go, oh we need that immediately. [SPEAKER_01]: We need we need to have doors. [SPEAKER_01]: We need to do this and that. [SPEAKER_01]: They sit back patiently and they go in time. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we will have doors and don't forget it's not to do it our way.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a waiting game because they spend a good five six years in the design process of these cabin products, which we're going to see for the first time now. [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen anything yet because we're going to see them for the first time this week, and they will be revealed to the world later this week as well, but I think you're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are they are that kind of silent when they make their move that will be in a very deliberate game changing way. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what I think our most curious to see will there actually be anything game-changing here. [SPEAKER_01]: Potentially based on what we've based on the rumors.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Not quite. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it depends what cabin products will. [SPEAKER_00]: So personally, here's what his might kind of my wish list if you'd like, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very interested to see what they're going to do with the economy class. [SPEAKER_00]: Very few airlines have actually taken a economy class, not just to the next level.

[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't even taken them to the sub-level between one and one point one. [SPEAKER_00]: There is so much, I think, that can be done in order to improve the overall economy class experience, whether overwhelming majority of passengers fly. [SPEAKER_00]: But we haven't seen airlines make their move in this area.

[SPEAKER_00]: Will this be the year that Singapore Airlines level up economy? [SPEAKER_00]: Because if they do, it will be great news for the industry because what we've seen time at time again is where Singapore Airlines tend to move many other airlines will follow. [SPEAKER_00]: And I would say that the only real competitor who isn't simply a follower, but is [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much equal with raising that benchmark in a kind of this scenario is, of course, Qatar.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's Singaporean... [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really want to say Emirates. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think about the U-rest headrest. [SPEAKER_00]: But that U-rest headrest isn't, I mean, it's pretty significant for economy, but it's something that could have been done years ago. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Many airlines were trying to do, but they didn't get the certification for it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't see that as a massive innovation. [SPEAKER_00]: Emirates' business class is still incredibly... Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you're right for economy that there have been very few innovations and and something like the U had rest is is Probably decent was welcomed by many even though there were all kind of scenarios people started to think about it I think did they really want you know the hygiene and the [SPEAKER_00]: So bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't run you. [SPEAKER_00]: People who carry wipes on them all the time, and are sanitizing constantly. [SPEAKER_00]: They're wondering about the clenliness of the, you know, having your cheek on a press on that, um, people, but, but, but I hope that we see something in it with economy there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very interesting to see what they're going to do with premium economy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: There's not much that can be done in that cabin. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: They have a solid cabin right for premium. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think Emirates would their new premium economy, which I haven't tried with the divider.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Is getting close to we've been saying this all along and thinking this all along. [SPEAKER_01]: The cabins [SPEAKER_01]: replace each other. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Over the decades, business class has replaced first class. [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, we don't know who we don't know when, but premium economy will go live flat eventually.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, I believe that to be true as well, because the direction of premium economy now is we're adding increased privacy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We're adding a different service level, whether it be kind of like more done on demand stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Where we're enhancing the experience with things that [SPEAKER_00]: So the lines are blurring.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good news for the passenger. [SPEAKER_00]: But what does it mean for the future of these cabins? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: These cabins that are going to be revealed as part of the new single-parallelance portfolio. [SPEAKER_00]: This is set to serve. [SPEAKER_00]: this island for at least the next decade, we assume that they will continue this trend of kind of a once every 10 year scenario.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the hot, I mean, there's a lot of people coming here to Singapore for this for this moment. [SPEAKER_00]: And the industry is watching very closely because again, is this going to be Singapore? [SPEAKER_00]: showing their own version of what we've already seen before. [SPEAKER_00]: Or what's already out there, perhaps something that's more catalogue, or are we going to see some genuinely innovative new designs?

[SPEAKER_01]: So what could we see? [SPEAKER_01]: If we go through the cabins, what could we see that we haven't seen or actually installed on an aircraft before? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, economy for me, the obvious jumpout is the end-usyland style pods, the bunk bed scenario where you can book four hours to have a life-flat rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: In a monument that looks a bit like a crew rest, but actually it's for passengers. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, interestingly, end-usyland have just delayed the introduction of their sleeper pods for partners, the sky nest. [SPEAKER_00]: They've delayed it once again to 227 and that's because they're struggling with certification.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now for me, that's not a surprise at all because I speak to airlines all the time that are struggling to get the most, you know, the smallest door certified. [SPEAKER_00]: It's really difficult and it wasn't difficult 10 years ago, but it's really difficult now. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you imagine that a small door is struggling to be certified and just quickly for the benefit of the business, why is a small door?

[SPEAKER_00]: being struck to be certified is because the regulators are really strict these days on if there were to be an emergency would that slow things down and they're looking at this with razor shop focus and as a result they don't like anything that might enter that yes it could slow things down in emergency and therefore that certification process is extremely and incredibly snow so.

[SPEAKER_00]: with an New Zealand's going all out with having passengers do what they could do with a sleep pod, it doesn't surprise me that that's been pushed. [SPEAKER_00]: Is Singapore the kind of airline to introduce something like that in a economy would be great but and then they have so many long haul flights.

[SPEAKER_00]: but I'm not sure that it's, I think it's too out there. [SPEAKER_00]: It is for the quietness of Singapore Airlines as a brand and also as in terms of their passenger service offering. [SPEAKER_00]: So then what can they do to level up economy? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's the obvious thing, like huge screens.

[SPEAKER_01]: more, had more ergonomics, seat design. [SPEAKER_00]: An ergonomic seat design is so important because it's missing and in so many of these kind of standardised recarrow seats. [SPEAKER_01]: Potentially a similar type of headrest because I do think it makes a difference to have support coming from below rather than the side.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because, yeah, this is, I mean, [SPEAKER_01]: I need time you're in a corner, me. [SPEAKER_01]: This is just what people are doing, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, following us at BEM. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you need something below. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that is, you know, these big headress that kind of push your neck forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, whoever asked for that. [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: You need, you need your head to be as full. [SPEAKER_00]: interesting thought. [SPEAKER_00]: What, why is there not like a hole? [SPEAKER_01]: What is? [SPEAKER_01]: No, or what if the entertainment screen was either a bit lower or completely just attached on the top, so you can really fold it out and then the top, the very top.

[SPEAKER_01]: of the economy seat could actually lean back. [SPEAKER_01]: So just from your neck, you could lean back and have support from the side. [SPEAKER_00]: And who doesn't need that? [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody needs that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm about reading a about how hearing a Singapore that's trying to combat, you know, the doomskull neck and technique.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but what encourage you to read? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, look, Technic is a big problem and airlines are as an ally and still Starlink. [SPEAKER_00]: There are only worsening the Technic on board, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Because you've got now these people kind of just scrolling endlessly and it's always like, whoa.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So, so there's definitely room for innovation. [SPEAKER_00]: are economically speaking with the design of the seat. [SPEAKER_00]: What about the service? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Singapore, so I haven't flown Singapore long whole economy in a few years, but they're obviously known for already being at the top a leader when it comes to solve products.

[SPEAKER_01]: They have hot towels before take off in economy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly offered on Lufthansa, I think, unless they removed it, but Singapore offers hotels before take off. [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you'll often be addressed by name, even in a call me by the crew.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And as we now say, even if it's your first time flying precisely, the meal quality will be good. [SPEAKER_01]: So you know you get these. [SPEAKER_00]: You know you'll get a solid experience when you're financing a poor economy and they charge you for that Not solid experience because of course, they're not typically the cheapest economy class when you're comparing For example long or flat you're choosing Australia to Europe for example that they're very rarely going to pair at the top of that Search engine list [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, adding into, I feel like we're kind of, we're talking about ingredients, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm adding it into a bowl. [SPEAKER_00]: So I would add Starlink Wi-Fi as an obvious one, which we know Singapore have already announced. [SPEAKER_00]: That's starting from the last year on Longhawk, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And I was speaking to the crew on my flight from Melbourne to just Singapore about Starlink.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they were telling me that they'd never experienced it on board on any airline. [SPEAKER_00]: And they were asking how it was. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was saying that, of course, you know, being based in the Doha, [SPEAKER_00]: Almost all flights now are starting. [SPEAKER_00]: You get very used to that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But also other carriers have really adopted styling of family stuff on an air France. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, all flights with styling are, you know, SES have styling. [SPEAKER_00]: Retro's have one aircraft with styling. [SPEAKER_00]: Because they were united. [SPEAKER_00]: Similar to what I do, prospect of a proper rollout.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm hopeful that they tend to be the case, like a club suite. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Still. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully they didn't get any secrets to that. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so I was talking to them, and they said to them, are you guys familiar with the kind of positives, but also the slight negatives, and they said, well, I mean, it's really fast.

[SPEAKER_00]: What does it cut out, or something? [SPEAKER_00]: I said, no, I said, you know you have a packed economy class cabin now of everyone on their phones. [SPEAKER_00]: And in society, as society often demonstrates to us, people are not always as considerate about the volume coming from their phone as perhaps you might think.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so what does that mean in your reality? [SPEAKER_00]: It does mean that on an overnight flight to Dallas, you get a random person answering FaceTime and saying, I'm on a plane on FaceTime and then on T-Mobile shouting back, what? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and there's not an earphone to be seen inside, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And they were kind of looking at each other like, whoa, we're going to have to be. [SPEAKER_00]: policing that. [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, yeah, look, the benefit that Singapore has is that there won't be the first. [SPEAKER_00]: It was the carers that were the first that had to really figure this out by themselves, which is that you're offering something that is genuinely perhaps the single greatest disruptor.

[SPEAKER_00]: in a positive way to commercial air travel of our time. [SPEAKER_00]: Starlink is an absolute game changer. [SPEAKER_00]: There is no question about it. [SPEAKER_00]: It makes the flight feel faster. [SPEAKER_00]: Your product productivity is just off the scale. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the offering of continuity and the fact that whatever you are doing just continues, whether it's working, catching up, streaming.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's very little thought that needs to go into your flight when you know that Starlink is there. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what's not immediately [SPEAKER_00]: obvious to people, perhaps they think about what they would do if they had internet, and actually it's just what you continued to do, having that amazing fast internet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said to her, but of course, that problem of everyone being connected in the confines of a cabin where you need to be respectful in order to ensure the peace. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it self a challenge? [SPEAKER_00]: Janellan's have had to figure this out. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're doing well.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Katana, I've got the little hushed cards. [SPEAKER_00]: They give a loud passenger a card. [SPEAKER_00]: And it really reminds them. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for being quiet. [SPEAKER_00]: They're given to passengers who are not being quiet. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a, it's a nice, quiet, gently passive aggressive way of saying, you need to be quiet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I had also that Hawaiian kind of have a word as well with this, if there's someone in the United. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a vet. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't serve experienced it, but so it's, you know, I would add going back to how we would improve the economy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would add styling very much to that mix or styling a Jason, because many carriers are now finna just announced a styling style Wi-Fi service from SES, the provider. [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to start a link. [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: But it is the low satellite, the low, it's satellite systems that there's basically the same set of a styling.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, because they know that this is what has been demanding. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the less we contribute to Elon Musk's network, the better. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's what Delta believe, which is funny, because Delta passengers are angry as we spoke about last week.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they deciding that that's a company that we don't want to. [SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: on that point down to be honest, if we were to get into the nitty gritty of all of the suppliers in the aviation world, and whether or not they are ethical or who they have ties with, you won't be able to deliver a global airline experience to anyone.

[SPEAKER_00]: It would be far too murky, so it is a bit selective, I think, when airline CEOs like Ed Bastion of Delta are trying to take the moral high ground and tell their passengers, you don't want styling, believe me, you don't want it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, whoa, I think we could, you know, by that same logic, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And why you are with them or not? [SPEAKER_00]: It's not an ethical decision. [SPEAKER_00]: It's procurement. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the fact. [SPEAKER_01]: That's correct. [SPEAKER_01]: So going to premium economy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: What would we hope to see? [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope to see an electorate.

[SPEAKER_01]: The journey towards business. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to see life. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying about airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But. [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope to see a proper divider, like what Emirates has introduced, because up and down in the middle, so that you can fly premium economy and have privacy, yeah, that would be great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if there was privacy on both sides in some way, even better, yeah, I would also like to see what Emirates has done with their new seat, which is finally solved, the age-old dilemma in premium economy of [SPEAKER_01]: do I have a properly reclining seat, but then make it impossible for the person behind to get out because you're reclined so far that you basically have to be this skinny to squeeze through to get out, or do you have a hard seat back where then you have a very thin seat cushion that just slides forward, but the seat back doesn't move.

[SPEAKER_01]: Emerges is chosen a hybrid where the seat back moves back a bit, [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a real seed inside it that properly reclines and it's designed to give you, perhaps not as generous a recline as their older generation seed, but it completely eliminates the issue of being able to leave.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the perfect compromise. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so a privacy screen, not feeling trapped. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what we need for premium economy. [SPEAKER_00]: And then all those kind of like pepperings from business like to the service. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the business cost meal service with proper, you know, glassware and cheaper, yeah, China, proper forks and knives, which is Singapore even offers an economy along the whole, yeah, to be addressed by name, all that on the E350.

[SPEAKER_01]: We always want a two, three, two configuration, not a two, four, two as many airlines all for premium economy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but even the likes of lifetons, I've gone two, three, two. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's move upstairs to business upstairs. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's on the A3T for this beyond the three, I don't think that's the plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a bit of a question about here, and I think we'll get clarification on this. [SPEAKER_00]: Singapore obviously have a big older book ahead of them, notably the triple seven Xs. [SPEAKER_00]: Whenever the triple seven X arrives. [SPEAKER_00]: And while there were very positive, there was very positive momentum with the triple seven X for much of this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are some signs of some further bottlenecks and potential delays at once again. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hearing from people who are Boeing and Boeing have also been on the record in saying that there are issues throughout the supply chain, but also in their own production. [SPEAKER_00]: And that looks like the Tribal 7X is going to slip once again.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're still confident it will be delivered in 2027, but they won't say when. [SPEAKER_00]: And who wants to be the first? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we know that many Alliance have said they don't want the first batch of aircraft which already considered somewhat a little hold now, because of quality issues.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the Tribal 7X is a question mark. [SPEAKER_00]: And this will be something that we'll put to Singapore Airlines this week as to, [SPEAKER_00]: to turning if, you know, where are these new cabin products ultimately going to fly? [SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_00]: business class, Singapore had introduced this variant of business class at the product revealed that I was here for a decade ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, of course, they had, you know, they were releasing something that was again offering the kind of the the double bed S concept in business, not truly, but S. [SPEAKER_00]: and definitely increase privacy. [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it moved a long way from that previous seat where you had to kind of manually bring the seat down, nor does it have the bed and so on.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is kind of much more normal in just reclining with buttons. [SPEAKER_00]: The mechanical components to the seat were new to Singapore and to business. [SPEAKER_00]: And so [SPEAKER_00]: it had been quite a jump from the previous very well the next business class see be quite the jump I don't think so I think we're going to go down the privacy routes I think we can safely expect doors but of course many elements have had doors in business class Q Suite is a well over a decade old approaching a decade old sorry and a list in design it's well over a decade old and that's offered [SPEAKER_00]: the tallest, highest, you know, doors in business for a very long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that we'll see the nice adaptations that are necessary to the IFA in the screen, quality and everything that's available there. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know what quirks they're going to be that, ah, this is unique, Singapore. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think we might see the head rest with the integrated sound?

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the speed. [SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're not keen on these. [SPEAKER_00]: And I say this book for people that don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: So Japan Airlines have this way. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't need headphones. [SPEAKER_00]: You can hear what you're watching through the head rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which might sound great. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a ria or not a ria. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a suffering unity thing. [SPEAKER_01]: So ria dera has it as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a very catalogue. [SPEAKER_01]: It is. [SPEAKER_01]: I am quite confident Singapore is going for a heavily customized version of the suffering unity, which would be fantastic because it's on Japan Airlines.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably the best business class seat I've ever flown. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, bullets. [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be the way Japan Airlines does it, not the way rear air does it. [SPEAKER_01]: And what I find fascinating is that you have two airlines with the same seat. [SPEAKER_00]: Same supply at the same catalogue, but that customization process matters.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the main thing, this seat design or rear air is 10 times more stunning than on Japan Airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: The main thing is six inches of additional pitch on Japan Airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: On rear air, you feel like the screen in front of you is here. [SPEAKER_01]: On Japan Airlines, you feel like you have all the space in the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the only question is how much pitch is any airline willing to allocate pitch to these pitch. [SPEAKER_01]: Please literally, the Japanese Airlines and every cabin, they treat pitch like it's unlimited. [SPEAKER_01]: But other airlines think more practically, well, I'm curious if it turns out to be this opportunity, we're going to ask how much pitch is this going to have because we're ready with us.

[SPEAKER_01]: If it's 46, we're running the other way. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what more can they do to customize that seat? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I wonder. [SPEAKER_01]: So just back to your point about the headrests. [SPEAKER_01]: The built-in speakers are the worst idea in the history. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, glad you're saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe not the worst in history. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, think about this. [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, what else do I want as I'm watching a movie? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, let me add the sounds of the galley, whether preparing me as... Oh, let me add the sounds of a crying baby. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me add the sounds of loneses.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've had the sounds of the engines. [SPEAKER_01]: I have everything at once. [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of putting in my Bluetooth headset. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's an installation. [SPEAKER_00]: You know that feeling, what you hit noise cancellation, and the world just goes, oh, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So imagine the opposite. [SPEAKER_01]: You turn on a movie and it goes, woof. [SPEAKER_01]: Every sound is there. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great idea. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: What I think Qatar does, what Qatar understands, and no, I don't understand how no other airline even seems to care is the fact that people want to experience flying together.

[SPEAKER_01]: How is it that even 10 years after Q Suite was introduced? [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have a single other airline offering a solution for more than two people to experience something together. [SPEAKER_00]: And you're right, because, you know, the quad itself is patented. [SPEAKER_00]: So they do have a patent on the quad on that type of quad.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there are ways that airlines could have seen the social opportunity that Qatar Airways brings to passengers by having the quad. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's amazing when you're a four to dine together. [SPEAKER_00]: But also to interact, to play cards, to tell stories, to be as you are on the ground.

[SPEAKER_00]: and to have that element of social interaction. [SPEAKER_00]: The airlines have not followed, and I've tested it, and Katasi is so important that in their upcoming Q Suite next gen, which arguably is again a significant disruptor to go from one best ever business class to another. [SPEAKER_00]: This will launch next year on the three-fifty now.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've got confirmation. [SPEAKER_00]: They're now going further by adding, by taking that social experience to the side suites, to companion suites by a window by the windows knowing that it is far more likely that you are traveling in a pair or as a pair than as a four. [SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, why not be able to dine together as a pair?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why not be able to have that shared experience as a duo? [SPEAKER_00]: Which again, that's some real thinking outside the box. [SPEAKER_00]: What can we bring to the passenger cabin? [SPEAKER_00]: That isn't what you can touch and what you can prod. [SPEAKER_00]: But actually, what we're often craving for human interaction.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, you're, you're so right. [SPEAKER_00]: No, the airline industry hasn't taken that seriously enough. [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, if I walk away from a Qatar kiss week next time, [SPEAKER_00]: And I have only one takeaway is going to be that a hundred percent. [SPEAKER_00]: And yet it hasn't so are we going to see that?

[SPEAKER_01]: I have this class right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Doubt it, but I wish we would. [SPEAKER_01]: And I this is a message to airlines everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: Think about a flight is it's a whatever six, eight, ten hour experience. [SPEAKER_01]: But what do people bring with them when they leave?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I can tell you the most memorable flights of my life. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Almost every single one is an acute sweet center quad because I've been able to do it, you know, fly with two friends sitting across from me. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been able to take my mom and sit with Oscar in a quad.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've like being able to share that experience with people who don't experience that often is priceless. [SPEAKER_01]: Literally priceless. [SPEAKER_01]: And then to be able to sit in a window for us who would [SPEAKER_01]: And then still socialize with someone is, and that should be easier, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: If you have a forward and backwards facing model, yeah, which is still not, that trend sort of came in white in the late 2010s. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's as aircraft have got a bit smaller. [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't really walk into 787 and everyone's taking 787's.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's kind of why wouldn't it work in the 70s, 70? [SPEAKER_00]: Typically because the the the 787 is incredibly difficult aircraft to have a decent premium seat in, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And so what the 787 has proven is that if there are suppliers out there who can crack the code into offering something properly premium in the constraints of the confines of a 787 cabin, [SPEAKER_00]: then they will likely thrive and that is what has happened is why catalog and suppliers who offer that are doing so well like like elevate for example they're they're they're able to lock in certain yeah well that is the same seat yeah so it's it's it's it they are now elevate and you're you're squirming for anyone that's not watching us in vision right now

[SPEAKER_00]: But that doing very well because they've been able to over-nose stories. [SPEAKER_00]: No kiss. [SPEAKER_00]: Look at this. [SPEAKER_00]: Pitch please. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a way to make it more premium. [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope airlines are pushing with that. [SPEAKER_00]: But that certification issue is just getting in the way of everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we haven't seen that. [SPEAKER_00]: Just go back to your point. [SPEAKER_00]: The additional thing is, and again, if you and I were traveling together, and we were, let's say we were coming here to Singapore on our own Q-Suite next year, and of course both of us would be taking window suites.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the beautiful thing about what you're able to offer, and again, this is the quag. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the feeling in the journey in primimization that passengers appreciate and that airlines should be chasing. [SPEAKER_00]: you and I don't actually have to face each other for seven hours.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the other thing. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like just signing up. [SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely the beauty of it. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like airlines are saying, okay, we now offer you to be able to be together, to experience this together. [SPEAKER_00]: Instead, we can timer dining service at the same time.

[SPEAKER_00]: We can do the crew want to meet together. [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, after a few hours, reluctantly have them pull back the screen, it will reveal you in front of me. [SPEAKER_00]: They'll set up the dining table and we'll eat and die together as we were on the ground. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is the pattern here that we are chasing as passengers experiences that we have on the ground in the air and are there enough airlines that way inclined in thinking? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, isn't it replicating the beautiful moments of social interaction at home, of dining together? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm Greek, our culture is all about shared dining.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're never happier than when we have a full dining table of friends and neighbors and cousins, and it's loud and we're sharing and it's, you know, I'm also never happier than when I go to a restaurant and friends agree, yeah, you do the alternative, you do the order for the table, unlike we're sharing.

[SPEAKER_00]: because food is too good to just say you're having this and I'm having this. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that kind of experience that we're craving in the end at world at least I have. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, same, absolutely, you're 100% correct. [SPEAKER_01]: And let's see what Singapore has done because I think we will not see the social thing, but hopefully, [SPEAKER_01]: They have brought something we haven't seen before.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hope we see that one turn that no other airline. [SPEAKER_00]: We need to come back on to the pot and say, what was the one thing? [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe for each cabin that we are the weren't expecting or that makes them uniquely, this is Singapore Airlines of the 2027 beginning decade that followed this pattern every 10 years with new cabin products.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, so, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, then first class, which will own, oh. [SPEAKER_01]: So by the way, you mentioned the A380, you know, for fact, these cabs are going to be on the A350. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So on the A350 ULR, we were seeing the increasing trend of premiumization where premium economy is getting smaller.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even premium economy is on the way out. [SPEAKER_00]: Because on this aircraft, just a listener's aren't aware. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even have economy. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Premium economy is getting the boot. [SPEAKER_00]: Airlines are very clear right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Who is making the money?

[SPEAKER_00]: And the truth is that premium is much of the top line for airlines now in terms of their financial results. [SPEAKER_00]: It is delivering tremendous economics. [SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, airlines are investing in this area. [SPEAKER_00]: Because ultimately, the returns are so big. [SPEAKER_00]: cargo doing so well and ultimately adding to or determining what some roots or how some roots break even.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is also true in the premium cabin where you only need a full business class for it to matter. [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, maybe a economy is only a 50% load factor, but on that route on that flight it might not matter because premium is doing so well and a different type of premium. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even premium corporate business.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally premium leisure. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the moment we've waited for our whole lives. [SPEAKER_01]: Premium leisure is finally in. [SPEAKER_00]: Premium leisure, you just bored wearing your Athleisure and you're not present. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything's just become so leisure driven.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so yeah, so the ULR is going to see the introduction of first class. [SPEAKER_00]: That will be a first for Singapore Airlines. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and where does the ULR fly? [SPEAKER_01]: So it flies to New York, JFK and Newark. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, it flies to L-A-X, but and San Francisco but not on all frequencies.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because the regular E350 can't actually it can even reach New York with some payload restrictions, but it definitely reaches California. [SPEAKER_01]: So certain times, certain flight numbers, certain times of year, it's a regular E350, and then when they can slot in a ULR, they do. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what we have at the moment is business class from the nose of the plane to behind the wing to the second last set of doors all the way. [SPEAKER_01]: And then premium economy occupies the last cabin, the rear section. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So what we're going to see is premium economy shrinking to occupy basically half, maybe a little more than half of that rear section.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_01]: Now there's going to be business class on an A350 behind way behind the wing, which as an av geek, if I can ever sit in business, [SPEAKER_01]: and have a view behind the wing see the flaps. [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: You write about that recently. [SPEAKER_01]: You were saying about how the Americany through 21.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you loved flying business behind the wing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it? [SPEAKER_01]: It's a I if I could choose my view, I would definitely I love to see the flaps, the speed breaks all that stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So being able to be in a life-flat seat and do that is the best.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to see business with the most avgeek friendly views and then throughout the whole wing. [SPEAKER_01]: And then what are we seeing in suites? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, at the front, it's going to be first class. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I. [SPEAKER_01]: Is the rumors, or do we have six seats for the youth?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if we're going to get this confirmed in real time over the next two days, so we'll know the exact details on the lobe and the good thing is is, and I remember from being at this same event 10 years ago, they were very forthcoming in details. [SPEAKER_00]: They were very ready for this portfolio reveal, which I like because you know that we often both can attend some events, where they're telling us this, but they don't quite yet have the answers to the other areas because it hasn't been figured out yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's going to be introduced in five years whereas here it's a few months. [SPEAKER_00]: And they want an award for something that doesn't exist yet. [SPEAKER_00]: Precisely. [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Lifton. [SPEAKER_01]: Great job, tag. [SPEAKER_01]: So we will see a first class that we actually have a leaked Lopa for layout basically.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it might actually be four seats, so it's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: What we've seen is an interesting approach because I like that from what we know, there will be two seats together in the middle. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as opposed to the increasing trend of 1-1-1. [SPEAKER_01]: Two window seats, one in the middle.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Liffton says while they're doing one and a half in the middle. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But Japan Airlines, of course, Emirates started that with a game changer. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way to experience that with anyone else in first class if it's one, one, one, two, so yeah, it looks like they're doing one, two, one, okay, which might sound outdated, but the way it looks is that [SPEAKER_01]: The first rows seats by the windows are sort of in front, almost, of the seats in the center, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So all for more width to each seat. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: And a sort of staggered layout where I guess they have some storage or an expanded gallery or something in the center. [SPEAKER_01]: just to offer that double bed, which I assume we'll have in the middle, and still have an impressive product for the release.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think we'll have a different experience in terms of something like onboard showers? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so. [SPEAKER_00]: And why is that funny that we kind of know in prayer lines and it's definitely possible. [SPEAKER_00]: And boy, do they fly the roots that warrant a shower?

[SPEAKER_00]: But absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: We know that it's not very them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And you're so right that I think it's. [SPEAKER_01]: people pretty much know it's not confirmed officially, but Emirates, I think we all kind of know that a shower will be on the triple seven acts in first class.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Emirates will be doing it for the first time, unofficial rumor on a non-A380. [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason they do it on the A380 is that there's tons of dead space in the nose, where they have a bit of exchanges leaks [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the passengers to see it. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen those videos because, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, it was recently. [SPEAKER_01]: Did it actually lead? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, can't be said for sure that it was from the shower, but I mean, while at Thanksgiving the way of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, right. [SPEAKER_00]: So, but it was, it would there was definitely a leak on that main deck and people were being drenched here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it, you know, someone was up there sharing, putting their hair on. [SPEAKER_00]: Literally, with that five minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: It's five minutes, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's, you can, I mean, you can serve it, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: No reset it. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but it you spend more than five minutes in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's five minutes worth of water. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so so if Emirates is going to do I just dry and just look at that [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's Bulgari. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually their shower products are, oh, they're, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so if Emma is doing it on a non-A380, Singapore certainly can. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it would be nice if he did. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we should ask, why not? [SPEAKER_01]: We should. [SPEAKER_01]: On Friday. [SPEAKER_01]: The CEO is doing a speech.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there are any questions. [SPEAKER_00]: We would like to know what you have against Shows. [SPEAKER_00]: The Shows. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you not like hygiene? [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, is something that [SPEAKER_00]: make sense for an out on the fly so much long haul.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think specifically on the ULR and besides corners, projects sunrise, let's bring some showers on to that. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like a 20. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was with my cousins in Melbourne and it was great to be with them. [SPEAKER_00]: They're very close family and they're amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: And I used to actually, the small anecdote, but [SPEAKER_00]: And as a kid, when they used to come and visit to London, they used to fly via, sometimes Singapore and the Middle East, that took different ways to get there.

[SPEAKER_00]: When they would leave, they would be literally eight-year-old crying for days, wondering why our best part of the family had to live on the complete other side of the world, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So it was amazing to see them to be with them, and also really funny when you're on the other side of the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's that kind of anticipation of you're about to see them and suddenly you know one door opens and then they're all just standing there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, out of you like. [SPEAKER_00]: These time in 3D, all the time in 3D exactly, like suddenly it's like, whoa, we're actually here, speaking so.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was great. [SPEAKER_00]: And while we were eating, we were discussing the ways in which they look to get to Europe now. [SPEAKER_00]: and hearing from and so many Australian listeners were commenting on last week's episode about this. [SPEAKER_00]: Hearing from them on that perspective on what Quantas is trying to achieve with Sunrise, it was unanimous in agreement.

[SPEAKER_00]: My cousins were saying, no. [SPEAKER_00]: They did not, the idea of going nonstop, for example, to London was not what they wanted. [SPEAKER_00]: They said it's just too long. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: They said it's too long. [SPEAKER_00]: They said the reward you feel of standing up and walking around for an hour was easily enough to make them want to consider a stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that was that. [SPEAKER_00]: The second part was the choice that they have to get out of Australia into flight. [SPEAKER_00]: they feel increasingly that it is incredibly expensive to leave Australia and that the choice has been somewhat limited because of some former protectionist star policies across the Australian state in order to protect the volunteers, what we understand allegedly, and that's kept competition out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And with that, they are super pro airlines, like Turkish airlines, deciding stuff, lying to Australia, Egypt, but also because it also takes some passengers off of their existing flights, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So kind of balances out there. [SPEAKER_00]: They were definitely pro, the Qatar version of Australia, a cathedral, a Qatar, and 25% of Virgin, which [SPEAKER_00]: In turn, has boosted Virgin Australia by returning them to long haul via way of a Qatar wet lease, but also increasing competition that Quantas have that stronghold on.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there is that feeling that they wanted things that were obviously pro consumer and pro competition, but in terms of travel behavior, they weren't so keen on the idea of being on an aircraft for [SPEAKER_00]: They were looking at, and this will interest you, they were looking at being able to reach that specific destination, including when they travel in summer to places like Sicily, as quickly and as easily as possible, which is why, for example, [SPEAKER_00]: One side of the family were loyalists to Emirates here because they were able to transfer on to fly to buy, and leverage fly to buy secondary city, Rudna Larmor, which is a very vast and they're flying to Katania.

[SPEAKER_00]: On the 737, they said, yeah, they did feel that difference. [SPEAKER_00]: They said, they didn't feel as comfortable long haul. [SPEAKER_00]: but the fact that they arrived in Catania was enough for them. [SPEAKER_00]: So then the conversation quickly turned to, okay, actually, what they were really telling me is, they wanted to be able to get where they wanted to get rather than get their nonstop.

[SPEAKER_00]: Rather than be offered something that was, you don't have to stop. [SPEAKER_00]: As if the stopover was ever the massive problem. [SPEAKER_00]: They perceived, [SPEAKER_00]: it not to be. [SPEAKER_00]: So it was great to hear like in 2026 that perception, because Euro summer is a big thing for Aussies, and it is an almost yearly trend for so many households, not least in the demographics of Melbourne where you have so many Greeks, so many Italians, so they're not just traveling for vacation, but they're going back to family.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're comments, I think on last week's episode, back that up. [SPEAKER_00]: Would they all perhaps prefer showers on board as well? [SPEAKER_00]: I think is a unanimous yes, of course. [SPEAKER_01]: So, and so we were talking about four to six first class seats that if anything, would have showers, which is not where most of us will be spending about 20 hours.

[SPEAKER_01]: What that paid to you is shower. [SPEAKER_01]: So how much? [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I think people would pay quite a bit on a long flight for a 20 minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: It's when you're traveling in a economy that you feel you need it the most, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So what's the, okay, listeners, we would like to know and leave in the comments below.

[SPEAKER_00]: As airlines design this next era of premium air travel, how much would you be willing to pay to use a state-of-the-art onboard shower pay to use in economy? [SPEAKER_00]: Or just a lot any cabin can use for any cabin. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're booking your slot, you know that you have 5 until 520 local time.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is that worth to you in US dollars ideally, but we'll do the conversions if you're using other currencies are available. [SPEAKER_01]: So, so let's think about this. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just do a 18 hour flight. [SPEAKER_01]: Emirates on paper allows 20 minutes per person in the shower suite with five minutes of running water.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that's a 30 minute block time. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say to then clean it after. [SPEAKER_01]: So two people in our could use it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So two times 1836 people could use it on a 18-hour well, okay, let's say 34 because there might be, yeah, or even first hour in last hour.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's say 30 to be 30 people, which is actually not a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: No, but and you would probably still need that 30 minute [SPEAKER_00]: time even if you were booking if you were an economy class passenger, wouldn't be that the experience was over any faster. [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd need that turnaround time for the cleaner to go in and ensure it's all great again. [SPEAKER_00]: So, what? [SPEAKER_00]: So, what? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but to offer, I mean, do you really think that more than 30 people would buy? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, time and time again, we're proven that even when passengers are off Wi-Fi for a dollar, they don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's, to maybe 30s enough in terms of service. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I feel like 30s is a lot like, okay, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on [SPEAKER_01]: or to New York on Singapore Airlines, 30 people might want to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's like, most of those people are going to have to do it at the beginning of the flight. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't want to be fast. [SPEAKER_00]: Touch one of your first, but everyone wants to be lost, but I don't want to be fast for hygiene. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's... [SPEAKER_01]: It is a like a difficult equation once you start including thinking it through. [SPEAKER_00]: The balance will have, but also, I mean, just in terms of a shower as a monument on an aircraft is incredibly complex in terms of maintenance and upkeep and the assembly of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so just from a maintenance point of view, it's probably not worth it. [SPEAKER_00]: There would have to be, you know, you get airlines that that learn what their passengers want and their [SPEAKER_00]: while everyone in human life kind of agree that a shower is always a great idea, you know, I don't think the stats, there isn't enough data there to prove just the lengths that passengers would want it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I would be interested to see some of that data, because if passengers were surveyed, you know it would be a unanimous yes. [SPEAKER_01]: But only Emirates. [SPEAKER_01]: only Emirates has, well, Etihad does, but Emirates is really, they're the one marketing the shower suite. [SPEAKER_01]: They have the data of how many people are actually using the shower.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Because even I did the day to use. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I did their longest flight. [SPEAKER_01]: I do buy to Auckland. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, can I have the last salt before landing? [SPEAKER_01]: We were in the last row. [SPEAKER_01]: No problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, did no one else book it? [SPEAKER_01]: I was sure that salt would be taken. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Did everyone not, I assume, maybe only half at most aren't it? [SPEAKER_00]: He's out of the passages and he's like, have you not shall it? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm most of them are probably connecting in from Europe or elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same that they need it. [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long day, a long travel day. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody got in touch and they said to me, so they would, they'd seen that for Lou to Australia, Flint Australia and that, [SPEAKER_00]: They asked me on the in the theme of ultra long horn long horn and it's becoming, you know, so common and the price generally has gone down to to fly further for less money.

[SPEAKER_00]: Airlines that are, and this takes us to Friday with single airlines, airlines that are leaving space for social areas. [SPEAKER_00]: Holding space, leaving space. [SPEAKER_00]: Holding space, leaving space, leaving space, leave the [SPEAKER_00]: horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that was the big trend of the last decade and it's not for this day.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are seeing the extinction of the social area. [SPEAKER_00]: Now he said to me in DMs, he said, [SPEAKER_00]: when he flies to and from Australia, he loves flying on the A380 because there is nothing better than breaking up the momentum of that flight and he's in business class and go to the social era a bar or a lounge having a chat at different space.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now I fully agree with this. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think we will be seeing a social space element from Singapore Airlines on Friday? [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, but on Emirates because [SPEAKER_00]: So this is- We're seeing the removal of social spaces because it's not going to feature on the triple seven X so it's eventually going to die out.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it is the work that passengers leave talking about. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and it's specifically the kangaroo group because no one loves a bar or the equivalent more than breads and iris people. [SPEAKER_00]: So they're all there. [SPEAKER_00]: God, that takes me to what happened in the hotel yesterday.

[SPEAKER_00]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: I was having breakfast yesterday here in Singapore, and just head and set down and said, is it buffet only or is it also out of cart? [SPEAKER_00]: and I asked this because increasingly more and more hotel breakfast is switching from the traditional buffet to an alcoholic option and I'm a sucker for an avocado test.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nice to order. [SPEAKER_00]: So is it a buffet or an alcoholic? [SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of looked at me with big eyes. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like and he said, I was like, I'll have to check with my managers. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So I said, okay, maybe he doesn't work in breakfast.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny that he's around at breakfast, then he doesn't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, okay, sure, let me know. [SPEAKER_00]: So he returns with the manager, they're both looking a bit kind of, they just both look a bit uneasy. [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, sir, we checked about your request.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're thinking we can move you somewhere where it would be available. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, there's another, oh, there's another restaurant with, is that what you're saying? [SPEAKER_00]: He said, well, we have alcohol at the other restaurants, but it's a bit early for the bar right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm not looking at him and he said, we can't really bring alcohol to you. [SPEAKER_00]: Here, and I'm like, why is he talking about alcohol? [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I said, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_00]: I asked, Alec heart, I didn't say alcohol. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, they're both staring at me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yes, I'm right. [SPEAKER_00]: But if you do want, I was like, no, no, no, no, I don't, and then I'm like, I don't even drink. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're both kind of staring at me. [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, that's funny for a guy who just asked for alcohol. [SPEAKER_00]: At ATAF.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I said, I asked for Alec heart. [SPEAKER_00]: If there's no Alec heart menu, that's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: like we do have the bar. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm stuck in this vicious cycle. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's a great, you know, that was a great way to start the day. [SPEAKER_00]: So hotel think I'm an alcoholic when asked for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Alec heart menu. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So back to the onboard Alikart, what is, it is really the brits, they use it. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess all these two, but when I talked to Emirates crew, the brits just want, for example, I did a flight from Dubai to Malaysia a couple of years ago, I went back to the bar, there were like dust balls flying around back there, there was not a soul insight.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't I did do by Auckland or earlier this year? [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, let me go back, chill at the bar, I started to drop the chain. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I get up like, whoa, yeah, you couldn't even walk through it. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I'm getting out of here. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you should have joined in.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was packed. [SPEAKER_01]: It was like one of those London pubs after work. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone outside, that's great. [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably the Emirates experience in a nutshell. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you're walking in government garden, everyone's standing outside, and it's kind of like a sunset, warm summer day, everyone's out.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what ever is so. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It is. [SPEAKER_01]: So we, we need to start wrapping out. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But there is one topic that I just really wanted to, I didn't want to leave on this. [SPEAKER_01]: But I did want to discuss the, [SPEAKER_01]: horrifying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Lear jet crash. [SPEAKER_01]: What's wrong? [SPEAKER_00]: Because there are a few questions that came in on this. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's understandable. [SPEAKER_01]: Because what I want to say about this is that social media needs to go back to the days of being more censored because if we should not have the last moments of people being spread, [SPEAKER_01]: So that everyone on social media hears it, whether they want to or not, you don't know what you're about to listen to when you press that ETC record.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was that was disturbing and also, you know, the poor families having that circuit, just instantly after. [SPEAKER_00]: social media continues to prove how absolutely horrendous it is in times of serious news, development, circumstances, situations, and now the moment something goes wrong in aviation, something obviously went fundamentally wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: on this flight. [SPEAKER_00]: And guess what, we don't know what that was because we're not investigators, neither is anyone on Twitter and the investigation. [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know, the people on Twitter. [SPEAKER_00]: And the investigation hadn't even started yet. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just minutes after that everything was circling with all sorts of horrendous accusations flying about as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is yet another reminder. [SPEAKER_00]: So, and see, we're saying this to the wrong crowd, but let's hope that someone else discovers this, because, you know, don't share these things. [SPEAKER_00]: Not now, not ever, because this is horrendous. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not for the public domain, specifically not in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what I was thinking about this after I unfortunately was exposed to that ATC recording, which was disturbing and we did both here and he was everywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: Completely served. [SPEAKER_00]: I had TV on in the room and they were playing it. [SPEAKER_01]: What difference does that make in my life, but sides one making me feel like absolute garbage.

[SPEAKER_01]: Making me feel horrified, heartbroken. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're just trying to, it's like we're getting bombarded with [SPEAKER_01]: scenes of death and destruction and you know that you look at the news there's more they're getting more and more comfortable showing dead bodies and crazy stuff people falling to their deaths and whatever and it's like we have to stop because I don't think people are going to stop sharing this stuff [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting worse.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's getting worse. [SPEAKER_00]: It's getting worse. [SPEAKER_00]: The platform is without regulation. [SPEAKER_01]: And they have to step in and like it has to stop at a certain point because no one benefits from hearing that. [SPEAKER_01]: No one is going to, no one is going to reach some revelation or conclusion about this from hearing that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not only going to spark toxic discourse. [SPEAKER_01]: Be traumatic for the family of the people who, you know, zoo are involved. [SPEAKER_01]: Stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Right now. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the incident itself involving a layer 60, obviously what we know of the flight data that was available online, but also the recordings that were everywhere, is that something catastrophic went wrong very very fast and it resulted in a tragic horrific crash in Florida and the [SPEAKER_00]: The rest is very unknown because the investigation hasn't started.

[SPEAKER_00]: The initial findings have not yet been released. [SPEAKER_00]: And there are a lot of people that have DM me asking me on the subject, and what I will say is the time and time again, history proves us that it is never almost never. [SPEAKER_00]: What is first supposedly obvious to somebody who's watching it from afar.

[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, it is a layer of different circumstances that is a layer built upon a layer. [SPEAKER_00]: And I've said this in our continued say this. [SPEAKER_00]: that then results in what is that final outcome and those layers have not been disclosed because they haven't been determined yet and therefore it's incredibly responsible that we're seeing.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even mainstream being involved with this, and it's just, it's become, I don't know, it's being published for entertainment purposes, it's like to be consumed in a bite size 30 second clip because it's also pandering to the fact that people have short attention spans these days and so you need to quickly, that's why I want to change the subject a bit just to move us away.

[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, on the instant itself, when there are findings to be released, we will be discussing them as we do when these things happen. [SPEAKER_00]: uh, but on the attention span thing, it's funny because I was watching something recently and I was so bothered by how belated everything is in series and movies now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because they know that people are not actually watching properly. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like they'll say like, oh, look, um, oh, look, Alan has just walked in. [SPEAKER_00]: I can see that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm watching it. [SPEAKER_00]: Why are they, why are they telling me that?

[SPEAKER_00]: They're telling me that because they know that the viewers like this. [SPEAKER_00]: And so when they, Alan has just walked in, they hope that the viewer goes like that. [SPEAKER_00]: I, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: I have a heart to see if everything is awful. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a heart to take.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like a lot of Christopher Nolan movies, but the Odyssey was very like that as well. [SPEAKER_00]: We're a Casino. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Steve, man. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like telemarchists. [SPEAKER_01]: all these suitors are here because your father is away. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, no shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like 17. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't think, you know, you're telling the viewers in the most obvious way. [SPEAKER_01]: Let them figure it out. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I reached that conclusion instead of needing to tell everyone, this is exactly why this is happening. [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when they were young?

[SPEAKER_00]: To get the name, I'm going to get a cute children. [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when we were kids, I would be like, Mom, what's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: What's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: What's happening now? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they didn't explain it because they didn't explain it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: which is how it should be, you're supposed to figure things out. [SPEAKER_00]: So on multiple airline-inflatant statements now, that because they tend to take the same new releases, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Because that supplies the same. [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the new releases on airlines at the moment, that the first new release is disclosure day with Emily Blunt.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, have you seen it? [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't, but it's a Spielberg-Glumple. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's bad. [SPEAKER_00]: I think the worst film I've ever seen in my life and it's Steven Spielberg. [SPEAKER_00]: It was, if you think there were any signs of things being blatant and obvious, in order to, oh my what, it was horrendous.

[SPEAKER_00]: I start with my friend Wahab. [SPEAKER_01]: Half-shadow. [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, yeah, hey Wahab. [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, halfway through, he also wanted to propose to me, [SPEAKER_00]: to leave. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, to float the idea, do we walk out? [SPEAKER_00]: But didn't, because it was like no kind of we start with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now the whole time I was thinking, wonder if I can say things should we just go? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it finished. [SPEAKER_00]: We both loaded in China and we said, what the fuck was that? [SPEAKER_00]: Like horrendous. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a public service announcement.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's my opinion. [SPEAKER_00]: And of course there's going to be people that enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_00]: Great, wonderful. [SPEAKER_00]: Thought it was horrendous. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't waste your time. [SPEAKER_00]: You'll see it as a new release on the Inflight Entertainment these days. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: So on that note. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're we're tracking the U.S. election. [SPEAKER_01]: There's some big news. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the early days and we're of course so far heading times and here in Nostrad. [SPEAKER_00]: No, where are we? [SPEAKER_00]: We are in. [SPEAKER_01]: We're in Singapore.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting into current day in the rest of the world. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So on that note guys, we will see you next week with a lot more Singapore Airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's see what they deliver. [SPEAKER_00]: We've got the pre episode in the post episode. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you then on air. [SPEAKER_00]: See you later.

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