The Aviation Fuel Crisis Is Here: Lufthansa Cancels 20,000 Summer Flights

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Dan and I'm Alex and welcome back to on-air please to be back with you guys on another Wednesday. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the 22nd of April. [SPEAKER_03]: Dan is joining us. [SPEAKER_03]: It's morning where he is. [SPEAKER_03]: It's even in where I am. [SPEAKER_01]: How are you? [SPEAKER_01]: I am good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It feels good to be back after a very crazy last week for the both of us. [SPEAKER_01]: Travel is, I think, how are you feeling? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, quite busy. [SPEAKER_03]: It was busy, wasn't it? [SPEAKER_03]: And also, [SPEAKER_03]: with the complexities of time zones travel and also the way that aviation right now is not functioning anywhere near normal for a variety of reasons that of course will go into so thank you guys listeners for bearing with us last week as we had no choice but to skip the week we did try it is always the last result but hopefully if you guys have wondered if you perhaps open [SPEAKER_03]: We would always announce something like that on the shared Instagram, so the shared Instagram at on-air with Dan and Alex, or one word, it was posted there last Wednesday, but all is fine, however.

[SPEAKER_01]: How have you been? [SPEAKER_01]: I've been exhausted, I flew five flights, 29 hours in the span of like five or six days. [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, when you're on a flight every single day, there was one day Where yeah, I was just like what am I doing my body was starting to be like, no, this is not a good idea But now I've gotten some time to recover and I've started you know as we mature with every year we've had this podcast [SPEAKER_01]: three years now, you learn more things like more ways to help yourself recover.

[SPEAKER_01]: And one of those is after doing something very exhausting. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always like, okay, let's up the class of hotel. [SPEAKER_01]: We're at a little bit. [SPEAKER_01]: We can afford that investment in our recovery. [SPEAKER_03]: So you are basically trying to spin the fact that you're [SPEAKER_03]: you're in your choosing even higher grade hotel era all in the name of recovery, of course, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was a really important, you know, okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Not doing anything for the lack of man of the people rumors, let me tell you, but people people people will relate to the fact that there is nothing quite like, I mean actually that's always a funny social media trend, [SPEAKER_03]: you know when you're planning a friends trip and there are there are the friends that say what doesn't matter where we stay because we're not going to be in the room anyway and then like there's the other then there's the other friend who it really matters [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to friends like that right now we're on a on a friend trip with some of my friends for my childhood and it's literally there staying in a shared dorm hostel, which you know maybe is not my preferred place to stay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we've undistinguished and accepted, we've accepted that. [SPEAKER_01]: We will be staying in different places on this trip, but it's fine because we each need to protect our mental health. [SPEAKER_03]: So for the sake of you being able to enjoy the trip, [SPEAKER_03]: What is it? [SPEAKER_03]: They go back to their hostel and that content with it and you go back to the four seasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is, let's say it's something a lot in our slides. [SPEAKER_03]: That's so funny. [SPEAKER_03]: How did they feel about this when you first came to this conclusion? [SPEAKER_03]: Was there something that happened that triggered this? [SPEAKER_03]: Did you just settle for that choice?

[SPEAKER_03]: One's before. [SPEAKER_01]: With each with each trip we've done before every few years. [SPEAKER_01]: It it's actually been like a slight Elevation of standards each time the previous trip we were all in a couple years ago. [SPEAKER_01]: I ended up paying for all our hotels just they paid Like what at however much they wanted to pay per night, which I guess was like 10 euros a night per person for there would be hostile [SPEAKER_01]: And I paid the difference to get a nice hotel, which wasn't, I mean, then we were, you know, crown a courtyard by Mary.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm like, this needs to end. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't keep, where, you know, reaching an age where I can't keep paying for your guys' hotels. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's settle on doing things separately this time. [SPEAKER_03]: But that doesn't help. [SPEAKER_03]: You never have [SPEAKER_03]: Who are these friends that you're paying for?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's because... Holy... Is it because you're the resident youtuber of the friends group? [SPEAKER_01]: Is that why? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's because I know that if I go somewhere with you, you want to stay in the same type of hotel I want to stay and it's not like what that means.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't want to pay either nobody does. [SPEAKER_01]: He should have gone on a trip with me in 2024, I might have heard of that. [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, hold on, last year when we were in Singapore, I did have the subsidized your hotel with my point. [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, sorry, sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolute rubbish. [SPEAKER_01]: You paid by points. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to use the equivalent in cash. [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, but the cash price of that stay was like double what we paid thanks to me using my point. [SPEAKER_03]: So sorry, sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: I gave you the equivalent of points in cash.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're not able to tell that night decided to elevate the price. [SPEAKER_03]: So what so it's not enough is it I've we've got to go by dynamic pricing as well even with our friendship I've got to go down. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll send you the money. [SPEAKER_03]: I have not being in debt to you for you bring it up for you to bring it up one year later No, no, it's not at all like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that I do you know try to support my friends I never asked you to support me. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, actually let's just rewind let's take it all the way back [SPEAKER_03]: a decade ago when we met okay we land that so down and I had just met for the first time at the Lufthansa A320 Neo Delivery we land [SPEAKER_03]: It's late at night, it's cold and winter and dark and horrible and we're in Frankfurt of all places.

[SPEAKER_03]: And while we're kind of like saying good pies, this resident YouTuber has absolutely nowhere to stay that night. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking at him like, right? [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, yeah, so he's like, he sits down at a random gate and he pulls over and he's lap job and he's like scrolling booking.com and Mario.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, [SPEAKER_03]: Poor guy. [SPEAKER_03]: So I said to him, well, I'm done. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if it helps my sister works for Marriott, if you would like that well, of course, I mean, he's isolate out the money bags in his eyes. [SPEAKER_03]: He saw a discount heading his way.

[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I can speak to my sister. [SPEAKER_03]: I think she can get you a competitive rate as a married associate. [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, Oh, that would be great. [SPEAKER_03]: So remember, I've known the guy five minutes. [SPEAKER_03]: So I graciously graciously book him heavily subsidized discounted [SPEAKER_03]: Marriott Group Fair for a night stay to ensure that he has, you know, pillow to put his head down on at night.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he has the audacity ten years later to somehow imply that what I was paying equivalent to points wasn't quite enough for us now. [SPEAKER_01]: I really do appreciate that, and that was the first favor of many you did back then, which I, of course, am grateful for, and I recognized because I might have been in a suit at this event, but I had like a monthly income of $300, so I wasn't about to fly to Stockholm and pay [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would have probably ended up in a shared bed of hostel back then, which I remember I was invited to go on TV and the night before I stayed in a 20 room hostel because that was all I could have forward back then.

[SPEAKER_03]: If this is good, this is the story, genuinely speaking, this is the story of your growth, right? [SPEAKER_03]: This is the growth journey. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so easy for people to think that someone as a visible as you, because you've only got onto YouTube and to see you in their beautiful hotel, in a video that you just posted or in a first class somewhere, and people think, oh, it's always been like that for him.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you know that's not the case, and we've also spoken about that slot for case. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, I know you're right, but maybe the public do think that is the case, but bless you, it's not you, you're a graphter and you've worked hard to accomplish what you have. [SPEAKER_03]: And also, I'm remembering that night in Frankfurt.

[SPEAKER_03]: Did we then try and get me into the air kind of to lounge on a BA ticket? [SPEAKER_03]: It was a kind of something like that. [SPEAKER_01]: Return of the favour and they were like, no, you were in the wrong terminal. [SPEAKER_01]: And not to mention the fact that you had a check-in bag as your carry on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, everything all the more exciting. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, memories. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, a simpler time in aviation, that's for sure because where we are now, it is not. [SPEAKER_03]: The situation across the Middle East still having that global impact being felt in fares, the fluctuating, mostly rising oil price, the price of jet fuel, which has skyrocketed and continues to do so no matter how much the President of the United States tries to manipulate markets with his pre-market tweets and his post-market outbursts and so on.

[SPEAKER_03]: With the [SPEAKER_03]: golf carriers losing a big market of travelers because people are avoiding the golf and also their bookings were cancelled. [SPEAKER_03]: They know that there's a period of uncertainty right now. [SPEAKER_03]: The conflict is still with a question mark. [SPEAKER_03]: There is a ceasefire at the moment, but it's very unclear as to what [SPEAKER_03]: The pathway is forward in terms of if there will be some kind of settlement, if they will achieve peace in inverted commas, if it's going to go back to escalations, is very unclear and understandably people are avoiding the golf carers, so the loads are light up.

[SPEAKER_03]: However, however, you and I have both flown Gulf carriers quite a bit over the last 10 days. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, well, I mean quite a bit is maybe an exaggeration, but we have flown them. [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say, I think it was fascinating. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm debating whether or not to make a whole video about it, but basically the lesson is that my flights of leads were not at all empty.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we talk about people avoiding those airlines for now, but my flight, I flew through Abu Dhabi and one of the second flight was Abu Dhabi to Paris. [SPEAKER_01]: That flight was completely sold out. [SPEAKER_01]: The only cabin that any empty seats were first, where there were just a few empty seats.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's definitely a reduction in demand due to the reduction in capacity among these airlines, but things are very normal and I just find it so fascinating because [SPEAKER_01]: If you, if we had spoken about this two weeks ago, I'd be like, what flying through the golf like that, that feels a bit risky, do you do you want to do that right now and everything is so uncertain?

[SPEAKER_01]: But then I got on these flights and I'm like, there are hundreds of people here who clearly have got to the same conclusion as I have that [SPEAKER_01]: This is, you know, the equation works out in favor of doing this today and they all ended up there. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what, what was your thinking?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it's obviously out of necessity as well and different people are flying for different reasons, but I would say that the main kind of things that I had noted down in differences, the demographic of passengers is different. [SPEAKER_03]: There are far fewer passengers who seem as if they're traveling for leisure and actually it seems majority work travel, not even really like what traveling to a conference or what traveling to a perhaps another city office [SPEAKER_03]: but actually the movement of laborers and construction workers and those who are working in the building industry and so on.

[SPEAKER_03]: most of my flights had a transit flow that had that as the predominant demographic of traveller. [SPEAKER_03]: The lack of the kind of like, let's do an early summer in Europe traveller was very evident because that would be the case now that we're in late April, especially the golf carriers that are responsible for bringing up Aussies and those from Southeast Asia up into Europe.

[SPEAKER_03]: particularly those who like to have that holiday now rather than when it gets too busy in Junjilai August. [SPEAKER_03]: So that was a kind of something that was the same. [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry that something was different rather. [SPEAKER_03]: In terms of everything else everything was very I mean the element of the on-board service, everything as it was before everything perfect and lovely and fine there.

[SPEAKER_03]: course chatting with the crew, many of them had barely flown for my first set of flights, the crew, it was all of them, it was their first flight since February 28, because of course these airlines the golf carriers have thousands and thousands of crew and their flight schedules have reduced so much that now it's taking a while until it comes around to be that turn to fly.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, but the crew were quite optimistic, there is also this resilience that is inbuilt, I think, in people that live or are based in the Middle East. [SPEAKER_03]: And they know that the Middle East states, particularly the Gulf states, are very good at keeping their population, their residents safe.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why there is this sentiment about how. [SPEAKER_03]: you know, oh, it is still safer, despite XYZ. [SPEAKER_03]: And that definitely is resonated even. [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of the crew that I'd spoken to were very keen to say just how safe they felt, even when they could hear interceptions or they could feel the vibrations of it and understandably that's scary, especially when you're retelling the story, but that they didn't feel that worried because they know that the governments have them protected there.

[SPEAKER_03]: So good that they felt that sense of [SPEAKER_03]: Interestingly, something they all had in common on all flights is they said that the bulk of the crisis, particularly while airspace was closed, is the most well rested. [SPEAKER_03]: They had ever been, because they had been waking up in the morning when you're supposed to go to sleep in the evening when you're supposed to sleep through the night.

[SPEAKER_03]: One of them said to me, she said, I've never been to the gym so much in my life and it's got me back into a good gym routine. [SPEAKER_03]: And this is of course because the golf carers as you know down are banked in their schedules where the waves of departure and arrivals extend right through a 24 hour period.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's perfectly normal to arrive for a flight that departs at 2 o'clock in the morning, flights that depart at 4 a.m. and so on. [SPEAKER_03]: So those that work on golf car is particularly pilots and crew are very used to that 24-hour operation and particularly most of them end up just working constantly nights because of the way things are structured rather than waking up and flying at a sociable hour at 8 a.m. for example.

[SPEAKER_03]: So nice to hear that they felt rested, and I think for that reason as well, they were in better spirits. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you get to similar? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, absolutely, the crew were the happiest and friendliest of literally almost ever had. [SPEAKER_01]: They were also fun to see that change, but I think on my, maybe there is a slightly different demographic on our respective flights just because [SPEAKER_01]: the UAE has been open for longer to traffic because my me looking at the other passengers it was very much the vibe that these are all people who had just either a one booked flights before everything started and there's no suitable option to rebook on at a reasonable price which there really isn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, they're going ahead with their original plan or B. [SPEAKER_01]: There seem to be a lot of people who found some pretty good deals on flights and said, okay, I'm willing to, you know, accept this maybe slight risk of, I guess, the main risk might be disruption, but I'm willing to accept some risk.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll just take this good deal and fly it anyway. [SPEAKER_01]: Those were sort of the, [SPEAKER_01]: the main groups and obviously people who live in the UAE flying to or from there. [SPEAKER_03]: And of course the UAE has more point to point traffic because of the sheer volume of people that live there and so on and then they're relative.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, so you're right, there would have been different experiences, experiences there. [SPEAKER_03]: We're hoping that [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there is some form of stability on the horizon, particularly for the golf carers who are now going to have to start strategizing on the return in a significant way to hold on to or to restore that market share that they had and that Singapore [SPEAKER_03]: airlines and Catholic civic have been able to eat up during this crisis because everyone was pivoting to alternative carriers as the world moved away from the Middle East because of the way that conflict had broken out.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's they've got a long road ahead. [SPEAKER_03]: That's for sure. [SPEAKER_03]: And Turkish Airlines benefiting as well. [SPEAKER_03]: There are small developments that you can see if you understand the state of play. [SPEAKER_03]: For example, Australians are now visa exempt. [SPEAKER_03]: to go to from but crucially to transit via Turkey.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now this is so significant and it's incredibly timely because it has just become much easier for an Australian passenger to choose Turkish Airlines which of course have recently set up shop in Australia to transit via Istanbul. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't have to worry about the transit visa and [SPEAKER_03]: Now, these are free tech shell and hundreds and hundreds of destinations, none of this is constant or this is literally because these competitors, Turkish, Cathay Singapore, are able to increase their market share knowing that when Ralph sits down to [SPEAKER_03]: to consider who he's going to fly with for an airline and its him and perhaps his family trip may be he has young children he's looking for certainty and at the moment those carriers are able to provide him with that certainty until there is some form of definitive end to this current conflict because

[SPEAKER_03]: Aviation is incredibly resilient and also we've spoken about this before having me about how people just forget I mean if if this ends people forget very very quickly as to what absolutely you know Yeah, so that yeah, I mean I agree this is an interesting time because as you say [SPEAKER_01]: Airlines are benefiting but it's also a time of incredible struggle for airlines with the fuel price is mounting And that's what we want to dive into today again because obviously the straight of her moves is still not open and Just for context here Europe one of the markets that relies the most on oil and jet fuel specifically for the podcast [SPEAKER_01]: from the straight of her moves, we take 40% of our Jeff fuel from there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So currently 40% of the supply is disrupted. [SPEAKER_01]: And we've been talking, I mean, since at least the beginning of April, about how the clock is ticking on how Europe can sustain this. [SPEAKER_01]: And we're now, I think, [SPEAKER_01]: Since in the past week or so, we've seen more and more outlets start reporting that we are a few weeks away from major meltdown crisis in European aviation if that supply is not restored, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, and this is already filtering out into fuel rationing across Italy, for example, whether a several Italian apples, Polonia, Milan, Venice, Brindisi, the smaller apples now, [SPEAKER_03]: capping and issuing a few rationing policies to ensure that other airlines and the elements that operate there are not emptying those airports of fuel.

[SPEAKER_03]: Airfares are on the whole up up to around 10% and this is a European story. [SPEAKER_03]: It's sometimes a little more a little less depending on other markets. [SPEAKER_03]: fuel surcharges are on the up as well. [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's it's pretty I mean we're we're seeing Alan's take some pretty drastic drastic measures.

[SPEAKER_03]: You will have seen the headline with Luftdunzer that is everywhere today about the [SPEAKER_03]: 20,000 flights that they're canceling. [SPEAKER_03]: So there isn't an airline that is immune or in a better position than others with this scenario. [SPEAKER_03]: And Lufthansa has canceled 20,000 flights between May and October to save fuel.

[SPEAKER_03]: And this is so far one of the largest announcements of cuts at least covering a longer period for a many airline as a result of this war on Iran. [SPEAKER_03]: The 120 daily flights that are being removed from the system and therefore result into cancellations start Monday and it's routes from Munich and Frankfurt and it extends right through the summer season all the way until mid-October.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it looks like it's a warning that there may be more, but this is something that they have to do at the moment because their schedules that they had previously determined outlined [SPEAKER_03]: pre-February 28 and now no longer doable post February 28. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting how in a lot of these things, lifetons are always appears to act first because they're very quick to [SPEAKER_01]: take action, often in ways that affect passengers negatively and another sort of combination of the fuel crisis and the strikes we've seen at lifetimes of the past week, is that they're also shutting down one of their many confusing subsidiaries, lifetimes of a city line, an airline that has been so frequently joked about on this podcast,

[SPEAKER_01]: is now no longer with us, effective immediately. [SPEAKER_01]: This primarily CRJ 900-based airline was removed from operations, which removed from office. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, literally. [SPEAKER_01]: In favor of the new subsidiary lifetons, a city airline, which, I mean, they just love their subsidiaries.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you, but this is, this is a culmination. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not supposed to be a subsidiary, let's see, sub-sit. [SPEAKER_01]: I've always said subsidiary, it's a subsidiary. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a subsidiary of liftoff, it's a good question, because it's felt like, wait, everyone you're going to get to hear this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: subsidiary says Google, so... [SPEAKER_03]: It's a subsidiary of subsidiary, maybe I'll just say it too far, it's a subsidiary. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a subsidiary of the liftoff, don't you, anyway, I guess it's a subsidiary. [SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm thinking subsidiary, subsidiary is a subsidiary.

[SPEAKER_03]: goodness. [SPEAKER_00]: Why am I doubting that? [SPEAKER_03]: This is a word I have of you. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, subsidiary. [SPEAKER_03]: So so they've replaced it with city airline right because what they've been able to do here is now take out [SPEAKER_03]: 27 older, less-fueled efficient jets, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so as we said, this is, I think this was also just a way for Carson Sport to scare and sort of take revenge on Lufthansa staff who are striking, which I think is, [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his labor relations policies are pretty egregious, yeah, for Europe, especially compared to all the other airlines and how infrequently they have strikes in comparison, but, yeah, it's just a very drastic step to do something like this, and now we're seeing, as you say, 20,000 flights cut, I'm sure Gothenburg is definitely among those, and [SPEAKER_01]: with some traffic interestingly being moved to other lifetimes group airlines, Swiss, Austrian, Brussels Airlines, which, you know, I think is an interesting tidbit there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Virgin Atlantic CEO Cornel Costa told the F.T. [SPEAKER_03]: that Virgin is going to struggle to turn a profit this year. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, okay, all right, because tell us something new. [SPEAKER_03]: What about genetic? [SPEAKER_03]: Don't need the straight of what moves to be closed to struggle to turn a profit, but anyway.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, uh, imagine that is not funny, but uh, but uh, vaginal antigual struggle to turn a profit this year, even after adding fuel surcharges, adding that no matter what happens in the golf going forward, this disruption into global energy prices will be here to stay, and as a result, vaginal antigual not be profitable.

[SPEAKER_03]: maybe setting expectations for, but perhaps the profit that they have been chasing is such a slim thin kind of achievement sadly in Virgin Atlantic's endless quest for financial health that of course something like this is able to knock that way off course. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean it's doing it for even the healthiest of [SPEAKER_03]: of airlines financially.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Easy-gen is expecting similar kind of losses. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you think about it, Virgil Atlantic is kind of Delta Airlines city life. [SPEAKER_01]: They are the lower cost subsidiary. [SPEAKER_01]: that to be fair they do things a lot better in my opinion than delta but they are just delta's lower cost European equivalent and anything they do that does not feed into delta unfortunately does not make money which [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we both love Virgin Atlantic.

[SPEAKER_01]: We think they're, I think they're one of the best airlines in Europe. [SPEAKER_01]: So it depends me that they struggle so much, but they, I mean, without Delta, they're really in a bad spot. [SPEAKER_03]: The, I mean, there's so much, we're racing, I mean, what the time is really kind of passing us by, but there's so much that we want to get through because though, there has been a lot since we last spoke.

[SPEAKER_03]: So as I mentioned, that was the bit about a kind of easy jet [SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on to, if we can, to this crazy non-story that came out in the middle of this crisis. [SPEAKER_03]: So, they're asking Donald Trump about what his plan is for a ceasefire. [SPEAKER_03]: They're asking him about Iran.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're asking who he's talking to Iran. [SPEAKER_03]: And his, his JD Vance going to Pakistan. [SPEAKER_03]: He says, he says, live on air. [SPEAKER_03]: No, he's not. [SPEAKER_03]: And then JD Vance's office, two minutes later says, yes, we are. [SPEAKER_03]: And then the press secretary says, yes, he is.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then Trump doubled down with another publication and said, no, he's not chaos, right? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where he goes. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in that absteen fight. [SPEAKER_03]: What was that, Melania? [SPEAKER_03]: Just unilaterally declaring in some kind of press conference while her husband is destroying the global economy and lives.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's coming out to distance herself from the Epstein Fuzz, which we know she's in because it's all available to read online. [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, anyway, in the middle of all this chaos, right? [SPEAKER_03]: United CEO Scott Kirby, it is revealed, lobbied Donald Trump for a potential merger.

[SPEAKER_03]: of United and America. [SPEAKER_03]: This is something that he lobbied to Trump in February and the deal would have created, of course, the world's largest airline with American and United taking control of over 40% of U.S. capacity becoming one airline. [SPEAKER_03]: Immediately what were your thoughts when you first heard this?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like an onion article. [SPEAKER_01]: It is so inconceivable that something like that would happen and be approved. [SPEAKER_01]: Scott Kirby, United CEO, is an interesting figure because he worked at American Airlines previously and his whole career seems to be about putting American Airlines down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, attacking American Airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: He has such a vendetta against them for so many years. [SPEAKER_03]: There's a real fight with that American bitterness isn't there that even the public, even those who are not involved in aviation, just know that the United C.O. [SPEAKER_03]: is constantly hitting and taking swipes at his former employer.

[SPEAKER_01]: American precisely, there's been all this drama this spring in Chicago where United and American are sort of gearing up to fight a little bit for gate allocations, but now this just takes it to a whole [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's been interesting to hear American Airlines respond to it because everyone knows including American Airlines that this type of merger would be terrible for the flying public.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would remove one world largely from the US market besides Alaska Airlines, which is much smaller. [SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that even under this administration, where [SPEAKER_01]: businesses are lobbying as much as they can to get their mergers approved and this and that. [SPEAKER_01]: This is one merger that is 99.99% unlikely to be approved because it would be just so catastrophic for the American consumer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, and the global air travel consumer [SPEAKER_03]: It's a disastrous idea, as you said, and it's absolutely not the interest of consumers. [SPEAKER_03]: Americans, sorry, American Airlines did shut this down in a statement last Friday. [SPEAKER_03]: stating categorically that, quote, American Airlines is not engaged with or interested in any discussions regarding a merger with United Airlines.

[SPEAKER_03]: They also went on to say that it would be negative competition, negative for consumers and inconsistent with anti-trust laws, even those under President Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not anything that I think anyone that I had spoken to in my aviation American aviation circles had said that they thought was a good idea.

[SPEAKER_03]: Competition is very much required and is, you know, it's not very common. [SPEAKER_03]: Competition, the very idea of it is just disappearing in the way that [SPEAKER_03]: airlines are consolidating and belonging to the same groups and you think you're flying one, or perhaps I fly the other and actually it's all going to the same port and therefore they're able to manipulate the pricing as a result to ensure that you still pay that high fair that you are avoiding.

[SPEAKER_03]: There were a few, there was a some government reaction from different senators like Elizabeth Warren and Mike Lee, and that's a bipartisan pairing there of those two and they had written [SPEAKER_03]: along with their peers demanding answers on the nature of any discussions. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they did issue a deadline of third of May.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested and I will keep a track on what perhaps Scott Kirby is going to write in his justification to the Senate as to why he was a floating this idea. [SPEAKER_03]: But then again, anyone who feels they could get away with anything, now feels they have that chance with Trump in the White House.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just so easy for them now to say, oh, what about this? [SPEAKER_03]: And we've seen you can read the trusted reporting that has demonstrated this man's inability [SPEAKER_03]: follow the rules, play by the book, you know, not commit, for example, war crimes, and so not busy. [SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't surprise me actually.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the inside of trading stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's so this is actually pretty small. [SPEAKER_03]: Of course Scott Kirby, you know what, why don't we use Trump to our advantage? [SPEAKER_03]: And this does remind me of when Trump had his more kind of low key by the grand scheme of things.

[SPEAKER_03]: More low key first term, where the US carriers decided to unite as one [SPEAKER_03]: level headed, a level headed administration was no longer there and they marched into the White House and said, and pointed at the Middle East and said, those guys are taking all our travellers. [SPEAKER_03]: You need to do something to sanction the golf carriers because they're taking all our passengers and we can't be financially healthy as a result.

[SPEAKER_03]: What they didn't realise is that Trump had relationships ready with those in the goal from the Middle East and actually he favored those because they had [SPEAKER_03]: They're, you know, admittedly he's thinking about money and he's thinking about which who's richer in that conversation he went back to the US carers and said no, you better start partnering up with them.

[SPEAKER_03]: So they know that he can be manipulated, they know that he can kind of sway one way or the other, and therefore I think this has just Scott Kirby taking his chance. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested to know, mind you, yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say, I'm interested to know exactly when in February this happened, because most of February were those build-ups of, is Trump about to strike around.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is Trump about to start the war? [SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to be this weekend? [SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to be next weekend? [SPEAKER_03]: And I just, I would love to know the date, because in the middle of all that, was he really waving around a paper in front of the president about merging United and American in the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: Decided to pass you a new war. [SPEAKER_01]: Well the interesting context here is that of course there's been all this buzz since last year that United would potentially want to purchase JetBlue because JetBlue has been struggling financially. [SPEAKER_01]: United is desperate to get back into JFK or JetBlue obviously has a big presence.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, the lay, presidential layers here are that United might be throwing this out in the air. [SPEAKER_01]: To then make a JetBlue merger see much less hurtful to the industry and much more of an easy ask compared to asking for an American merger. [SPEAKER_01]: The interesting part of Americans responds to United's going out about wanting to merge with American.

[SPEAKER_01]: was that American also said they believe there need to be mergers and sort of hinted that they might also try to buy JetBlue. [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Americanism in a much more vulnerable position, financially than United is. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's fascinating how there's all these layers to what's going on in the industry right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: And [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think JetBlue is the best airline in the US, so I think it would be horrible if either united or American both them, but that's the way the US industry goes. [SPEAKER_01]: We have consolidation. [SPEAKER_01]: And this, this will be very interesting to follow what happens because I think that the JetBlue merger is very much on the cards right now with the soaring fuel costs with JetBlue.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, [SPEAKER_01]: So we will see what happens, but will there be an American in the United culture? [SPEAKER_01]: That seems extremely unlikely. [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny. [SPEAKER_03]: You know that the way that the U.K. is obsessed with the idea of holiday rather than just air travel would just be good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just now it's just fleshed up on my screen. [SPEAKER_03]: the EU Energy Commissionals asked by Sky News about the situation and he replied, quote, unfortunately it is very likely that many people's holidays will be affected either by flight cancellations or very, very, very expensive tickets.

[SPEAKER_03]: He says, even if we do everything we can, if the jet view is not there, then it's not there. [SPEAKER_03]: And now this jet view conversation is really [SPEAKER_03]: Interestingly, a month ago, when I started speaking about this, people were messaging, oh, there's still fuel today. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not, but genuinely, like this, straight of Hormuz has to open because the situation is dire.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not just the price of it that's driving up those fares. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the lack of it in the first place. [SPEAKER_03]: If there is no supply, those airline schedules are going to continue to shrink. [SPEAKER_03]: So you're really just flashed up. [SPEAKER_03]: You were a whistleblower when I came to this.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I didn't want to be, but I knew what was ahead, but that's what happens. [SPEAKER_03]: When you know something that has the head and you kind of stick your head up and say, this is what's coming. [SPEAKER_03]: His based on fact and reality, but that situation hasn't yet presented itself to the wider public.

[SPEAKER_03]: There is in the beginning of scrutiny BBC Radio 4 invited me on to talk about it and they said, they said, well, what's the, and I said, over the coming weeks, particularly late April, the situation could get, could move from [SPEAKER_03]: And the presenter on BBC Radio 4 said to me, I just want to ask you something.

[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I'm just going to read you a statement here from airlines UK in association of the UK airlines, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, the airlines UK response to this is, quote, L.S. [SPEAKER_03]: UK can confirm that there is currently no Jaffee or short-titch. [SPEAKER_03]: He said, I thought I'd just put that to you, Alex, for your reaction.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, yeah, the key word in that sentence is currently. [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, I was like, currently is doing a lot of heavy lifting. [SPEAKER_03]: It's late March, buddy. [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, let's move to That's very slow and yeah, this is fun. [SPEAKER_03]: Bunk beds are here, everyone.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it might cost a fortune to fly, and if you can get the jet fuel, the hand bunk beds are almost here. [SPEAKER_03]: They're going on south from the 18th of May. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the sky nest, which is that Bunk bed concept was serious, by the way, I was spoken about this in a former episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: Go and find it. [SPEAKER_03]: It was first unveiled in 2020, six years ago has been delayed repeatedly first by the pandemic, then by aircraft supply chain issues, seven, eight, seven delivery delays. [SPEAKER_03]: It is finally happening in New Zealand. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll put six individual life flat bunks.

[SPEAKER_03]: These are very much like cabin crew rest bunks, if you've ever seen them, Google image it. [SPEAKER_03]: And basically between economy and premium economy [SPEAKER_03]: There will be these banks that are available to book. [SPEAKER_03]: You can sleep four hours at a time, each nest, as they're calling it nest, as cute.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is 230 centimeters long, or if you're an American, 80 inches, and then 64 centimeters wide, and all that is an inch to the cross, at the shoulder, full length for most adults, most adults, Dan. [SPEAKER_03]: Just 203 cm, 80 inches, you able to lie down in a pot of that size. [SPEAKER_01]: uh, just barely.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is about the length of many seats. [SPEAKER_01]: So my concern is more the width, because a normal single bed is 90 centimeters wide, this is 64. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's basically two thirds of a normal bed. [SPEAKER_01]: which if if you if you look at the seat map basically they're replacing six economy class seats with six bunk beds so a space where there would be three seats with wise and two rows are being taken out which if you think about it [SPEAKER_01]: Three economy class seats is not especially white, them with two bunk beds and entry and exit area.

[SPEAKER_01]: A dilater and a curtain. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting here is I love, firstly, let's just say, air New Zealand is the airline of the people. [SPEAKER_01]: The way they innovate in economy is so. [SPEAKER_01]: incredible to see because I mean news out of this far away so if there's anywhere that you know needs innovation in economy this is it they revolutionize economy with the with the sky couch which now we're seeing united license from Ernie Zeeland actually where you can create a bed from a row of three now they're upping the game again with this addition so there will be the sky couch and the sky nest.

[SPEAKER_01]: the the thing that I struggle with is the price because as you said you get a four hour block and you cannot book more than four hours so you couldn't do eight if you wanted to yeah but per four hours it's three hundred dollars which [SPEAKER_01]: is very steep in my opinion three hundred and four less dollars, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, three hundred US dollars about five hundred New Zealand for a and upgrade from economy essentially because it would be one thing if this is in business, but I think that in general, obviously economy passengers are more price sensitive. [SPEAKER_01]: If they wanted more comfort, they might have already bought into premium economy, for example, [SPEAKER_01]: but a $300, you know, $300 for four hours of something seems a bit ambitious, but we will see what do you think about the world?

[SPEAKER_03]: I like all of the, our group, everything that you said, and also it's finally the amenity kit that's going to be called, it's branded nest necessities, because this is a sign nest, it's at the nest necessities, it will include an [SPEAKER_03]: So they had a bit of an event for this, didn't they, to show it off and people were able to experience the mock-up for the first time.

[SPEAKER_03]: When I was looking at videos, firstly, I would not want to be in that lower bunk, because that's like on the floor almost, basically is, and you really have to crawl to get into it, which is a bit claustrophobic, then you have a [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny, you really have to ensure that the passengers have the correct decorum to do this, because you're essentially introducing the idea of a cabin crew bunk, but for the public who have never engaged with anything like this in the confines of an aircraft cabin, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: So there are rules. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's one four-hour session per passenger, as you said, the sessions are planned outside of the mill service and they can't be booked for take-off or landing. [SPEAKER_03]: They are available as an add-on to any economy or premium economy passenger, not as a standalone booking.

[SPEAKER_03]: minimum ages 15, passengers under 15 can't use it under any circumstances. [SPEAKER_03]: If you're travelling with a child under 12, that child must be accompanied in the cabin by someone else, who is 15 or older, meaning a solar adult travelling with a young child can't use the signest.

[SPEAKER_03]: The upper bunks require physical ability to climb the step ladder, passengers with reduced mobility obviously will find a difficult to access any of those bunks. [SPEAKER_03]: Initially, it's only going to be on select ultra long hall flights between New York and Auckland on the dash 9 and only two aircraft will be fitted with this at first so they can kind of determine how it goes.

[SPEAKER_03]: One sky nest, per one person and nobody else in with you. [SPEAKER_03]: Good dimension. [SPEAKER_03]: Not just that, I mean, the proxy too. [SPEAKER_03]: No, but down above next to you, it's like, [SPEAKER_03]: If someone's a snorer, you've had it, but also I was thinking, oh God, if someone was coughing or sneezing, or sets their alarm, or you know, admittedly, all of these things are a concern in ordinary economy.

[SPEAKER_03]: But there is something that changes your expectation when you know, you're in a place that you're not lying down ready for bed, you know, to sleep. [SPEAKER_01]: And in some ways, this is more private. [SPEAKER_01]: It is, no, it actually is more private than Aaron New Zealand's business class, because you have all around you with a, then a curtain you can close.

[SPEAKER_01]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: It feels very, the concept feels very inviting, but as you say, in the space where there would be six economies seats, there will now be six adults laying flat, trying to sleep at the same time on top of each other, basically. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And in the time of the stars.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a real social experiment. [SPEAKER_03]: I wish that there would be passengers that would consent to having like a reality show filmed for how they get on with these like cameras that are seeing. [SPEAKER_03]: who's going to get the most, they should issue each passenger with a whoop, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Not an orring because you've got that, but a whoop. [SPEAKER_03]: And then they can accurately see who got some rare who and to deep sleep state, who was awake for most of it. [SPEAKER_03]: I also think that passengers that do book this will realize and we have to have to speak someone if we don't try ourselves.

[SPEAKER_03]: We have to speak [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, they're ordinarily in an economy seat. [SPEAKER_03]: And now they're in some kind of weird bunk bed on a plane that has never existed before for passengers. [SPEAKER_03]: And remember, I totally think that novelty is enough to keep someone awake for four hours.

[SPEAKER_03]: To keep them all done, to keep them all out. [SPEAKER_03]: So they're going to lie down, I'm on a plane. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm on a plane, I'm lying down and I'm on a plane. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm on a bunk there's a woman opposite me. [SPEAKER_03]: There's a guy above me. [SPEAKER_03]: This is insane.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the first passenger. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a sky nest. [SPEAKER_03]: I've got to tell everyone about it. [SPEAKER_03]: I should take some photos. [SPEAKER_03]: It's no. [SPEAKER_03]: And then it's like tick-to-body to out-of-left. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, I feel like my brain would be so active.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would be exhausted by the time I left and I'd fall into the deeper sleep in a economy after. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that could actually, that could be the case. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the fact that premium economy can buy into this as well indicates to me that we'll probably have more premium economy passengers going for this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Premium economy will have 52 seats, so it's a massive cabin. [SPEAKER_01]: These are people who have already paid a huge premium for an New Zealand premium economy, which [SPEAKER_01]: Keep in mind this is only available for now on New York to Auckland to Ernie Zealand's longest flight of very like 17 hours or so.

[SPEAKER_01]: So tickets are already extremely expensive on that non-stop. [SPEAKER_01]: So people paying premium economy maybe they're at the price point where, okay, I'll you know, I'll invest in this. [SPEAKER_01]: I can also see people investing in it to make content for social media because a lot of people making content from the sky couch.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know. [SPEAKER_03]: Come with me as I take a four hour go away. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's going to be me, Alex. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it I, you know, I wish them the best and I hope it works out and is even expanded because [SPEAKER_01]: offering people more choice to have various levels yet to sleep to have various levels of comfort and to upgrade their journey in small ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think is always a good thing and I'm excited to see what what comes of this. [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed. [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed. [SPEAKER_03]: Well with that, let's move into a couple of Q&A. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it. [SPEAKER_03]: I've got a question here from Zane, it's about Europe's border chaos and he says that obviously the fuel crisis isn't the only thing that's making European travel really hard this summer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Are you guys concerned about the EU's new entry exit system which went fully live on April 10th and has immediately been... [SPEAKER_03]: a complete not a mess. [SPEAKER_03]: Zane, your right has been a mess and I am speaking to different airport CEOs actually across Europe to get their thoughts on this because Greece has emerged as a bit of an outlier here.

[SPEAKER_03]: They have declared that they will simply not be doing this for British travelers because they get so many British arrivals to Greece, the Greek Islands and so on. [SPEAKER_03]: It's taking such time. [SPEAKER_03]: I witnessed this at [SPEAKER_03]: first hand at a few airports over the last few weeks it was a joke how long it was taking the camera was malfunctioning people were confused the immigration officer behind glass and they're going stand back stand back and they're not easily understood and you've got passengers don't speak their language thing huh what you have given you my passport and it was it was taking [SPEAKER_03]: where the EU said it's going to take 30 seconds per passenger.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was witnessing six to seven minutes at best per passenger and it was awful. [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know how this is going to play out or if they're actually going to continue to commit to this. [SPEAKER_03]: but but we may see some some moves in line with what greys has done where they're trying to limit this, especially that they're introducing it ahead of summer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Who's bright idea was that? [SPEAKER_03]: I know this has been delayed and delayed and delayed and originally it was going to start however many years ago are the end of summer but just to make sure that summer travel is even worse they're doing this now. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm against it basically.

[SPEAKER_01]: And let's let's not forget to add that e-gates for e-use citizens in Europe 50% of the time wherever you are they're closed for some reason and don't work and Yeah, I believe you will European efficiency. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: I flew from Copenhagen a few days ago non-shengen and [SPEAKER_01]: And then it was, I mean, it was like a circus, there were hundreds of people in line.

[SPEAKER_01]: No one could figure out because the egets were closed, of course. [SPEAKER_01]: No one could figure out which line should I be in as EU versus non-EU, so there was a bunch of that can forth. [SPEAKER_01]: And what ended up happening is that as flights were closing, so someone would go, and you won't fly to Manchester and then like, [SPEAKER_01]: 100 people from the line would exit the line and be brought to the front and then anyone flying to Boston and then the same exact sustainable no and then on my flight you know the same thing happens when we're just in front and then suddenly everyone else who's behind in line comes comes up to the front as well so like we wouldn't have had to stand in line so long

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's literally like you're just creating this. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no point in standing in line until they call your flight first of all because you're going to be brought to the front sooner than you're going to get to the front. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it just, I don't know what especially with the e-gates being down all the time in some places where they're thinking and by the way, Sweden does not even have e-gates yet at any airport.

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: It's that because like you have and introduce them into the catalogue. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

[SPEAKER_03]: Understandably, the industry is on our side. [SPEAKER_03]: ACI Europe, they do with airports, airlines for Europe and association of European airports, issuing a joint statement, calling the disruption not simply a teething issue, but a systematic failure demanding that the European Commission immediately introduced some form of flexibility or something.

[SPEAKER_03]: Easy jet, massively affected by this [SPEAKER_03]: calling the border delays unacceptable and urging the authorities to make full use of permitted to flexibilities for as long as needed. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a mess. [SPEAKER_03]: I think they should hard launch this when it's not the beginning of summer travel, just an idea.

[SPEAKER_03]: But actually, I'm just seeing now, A balance for Europe proposed fix is to allow for the full suspension of this through the end of summer, wherever wait times become excessive and to just ensure that they pick this up again in the winter. [SPEAKER_03]: the commission has so far resisted dear pink commission.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm final question. [SPEAKER_01]: Or, well, wish here from Ella. [SPEAKER_01]: She says hi, a Dan and Alex. [SPEAKER_01]: Please come to the new Frank for terminal for terminal three. [SPEAKER_01]: We want to hear you say something nice about Frank for an airport.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, do we have to? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we should go. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see it, okay? [SPEAKER_01]: And it has potential, right? [SPEAKER_01]: To up the game at Frankford Airport and all airlines besides Lufthons and their Star Alliance partners will be using it. [SPEAKER_01]: So it is big news to people who have had to fly through the previous no-one look on the terminal there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Chris wrote in on Sunday. [SPEAKER_03]: No, you just don't tell you comment. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, okay, all right, we'll go. [SPEAKER_03]: What do you want me to say? [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: You want us to go, right? [SPEAKER_03]: This is your request. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that am I right? [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you want. [SPEAKER_01]: I want us to go. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I agree with that. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I said, okay, then, all right, we'll still tell you this, you know, a few more pressing issues to deal with right now, but [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Chris wrote into Blaine Mass entirely for the fact that he got a 10 the other day at Terminal 5.

[SPEAKER_03]: He says, I am blaming you with the Heathrow Gates usually it's completely fine, but today it's a 10 and Terminal 5 and I have not slept. [SPEAKER_03]: This is entirely Dan and yours. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for writing in, Chris. [SPEAKER_03]: And then this one was interesting. [SPEAKER_03]: This is from somebody who refers to himself as La Womble, who says, Hi Dan and Alex have been a huge fan of Dan's YouTube channel for years.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I've only just recently discovered the podcast. [SPEAKER_03]: which says to me that you're not nearly promoting it enough on your own channels where you have your lives and millions of years. [SPEAKER_03]: So you need to up your game there buddy. [SPEAKER_03]: He, uh, loved one, but says I'm a third year law student and I'm going back and catching up listening to all of the old episodes whilst studying, using them as motivations to keep me working hard.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I can do lots more traveling in the future. [SPEAKER_03]: How lovely is that? [SPEAKER_03]: They say the reason I'm writing is that I'm just listening to season one episode 28. [SPEAKER_03]: God knows all that's about to you and a Q&A episode from two years ago and Alex if you haven't read the art of racing in the rain You have to anyone who loves dogs and motorsports specifically Center at and center of the F1 driver Must read this book Anyway, that's what I want to do right love that you're both also animal lovers down if you ever need a lawyer for your animal sanctuary count me in thanks for the podcast Wow really sweet sweet messages that I noticed [SPEAKER_03]: In the request of my own account, but I don't see the those that come into the on-air with Tannin Alex account because Dan's got a huge launch hasn't yet sent me the lucky Yeah, is it one of those things you keep not getting around to isn't it?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know I'd been busy for the last year and a half Okay, well on that note, I say that we regroup same time same place Next week and guys remember if you enjoyed this episode or any others Feel free to show it with [SPEAKER_03]: Those who are in your circles, your aviation circles, your group chats and whatnot, but also if you do listen for example on Spotify or Apple and you leave us five stars, we will soon be resuming, assuming the global economy recovers a bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: We can start resuming international shipping of some amenity kits that we recently got at hand. [SPEAKER_03]: And we'd like to run as a competition. [SPEAKER_03]: So if you can leave us a review in the maybe screenshot that review that you've left with the star rating and your comments, [SPEAKER_03]: as a screenshot to the shared Instagram at on air with Dan and Alex one word.

[SPEAKER_03]: We will include you on the Excel spreadsheet that I'm going to demand Dan starts mapping out. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you boss. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you for tuning in today guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Well said Alex and we will see you next week on air. [SPEAKER_01]: Bye bye. [SPEAKER_01]: See you later.

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