This Episode Got Out of Hand (In the Best Way): Flight Stories + Q&A

0:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Dan and I'm Alex and welcome back to on air available or wherever you get your podcast But of course you know that because you're already listening to us. [SPEAKER_00]: How are you Dan? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm great, how are you? [SPEAKER_00]: All is good. [SPEAKER_00]: We have quite a few Q&A to get through, so we're going to dedicate today's episode as an all Q&A episode, and we'll have you do it.

0:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as a reminder, you can submit your questions, thoughts, stories, or whatever you have for us. [SPEAKER_00]: The easiest way is via the podcast Instagram, which is at on air with Dan and Alex, all one word. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a lot of words until you reach the part that says Alex, but what can we do about her?

0:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, in case we like, I saw a message today when I was going through the questions. [SPEAKER_01]: There was like, you guys have been ignoring me for the past two years. [SPEAKER_01]: That, [SPEAKER_01]: something is up like I don't have a song from message to you that you finally seen it yeah so besides me ignoring Alex we should just say that if that is you please like comment on a post or something because some messages don't make it due to whatever like spam filters or something so yeah just we don't want to anyone to think we're ignoring them should just so you know [SPEAKER_01]: Um, before we get into it, I every single week, I'm like, I need to tell Alex this story and then we start recording and I forget.

1:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So finally, today, I got to tell you this story from Eons ago, well not Eons ago, but this year, when I was flying to [SPEAKER_01]: So the entire flight, it wasn't that long, like two hours, um, for the first hour. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just sitting there thinking, why does it smell so good in here?

2:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Not ood, but I was like, I've never been on a flight where it's smells so like sweet and fruity, like it's not perfumes. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really weird pleasant smell. [SPEAKER_01]: So next to us, it's me and Oscar and then in the aisle, there's a Saudi guy wearing this a thube, like there are white, how would you describe it?

2:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you nearly say linen? [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, I just don't care how to, it's the approach is like a, yeah, it's a white dress, it's a white gown that is typically across, much of the Middle East, [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not, some people think it's worn for a specific reason or a religious time.

2:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, no, it's just more of a cultural thing that is the equivalent to wearing a shirt and trousers, for example. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also like, I think it looks so good. [SPEAKER_01]: If we could wear it, I'd like, yeah, very sharp. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, so an hour into the flight, I'm like looking toward all scourges, we're talking.

3:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And I noticed how he brings his hand to his face. [SPEAKER_01]: so that his palm is sort of by his nose. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what is he doing? [SPEAKER_01]: And I realize he has a vape hidden in the sleeve of his tube. [SPEAKER_01]: And he is smoking, that he's been smoking the entire flight.

3:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So I see him, put his mouth on it. [SPEAKER_01]: On, wait, wait, I'm on his flight. [SPEAKER_01]: So this was fly to by in flight and I just see him breathe out this huge cloud of smoke and I'm like virtual. [SPEAKER_01]: How did I not notice? [SPEAKER_01]: Second world, that's where the smell is coming from.

3:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Third sneaky hiding that in your arm and your sleeve like that. [SPEAKER_01]: So then obviously I didn't just sit there quietly. [SPEAKER_01]: What would you do in that situation? [SPEAKER_00]: So what, we want to hear my reaction before we actually know what you did. [SPEAKER_01]: So I know what to say, I do.

4:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that you know which version of events to tell on the podcast after I've after I've explained. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So firstly, I mean, I guess and this might be a bit. [SPEAKER_00]: contradictory, but I think there is a scale in a scale in terms of severity and a cigarette for me is right at the end of that scale, whereas a vape is not as severe, but it's close.

4:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not denying the implications because also vape's have the added layer of the battery, which is itself an issue. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I can base it on what I'd done before when I've been on a flat with someone with smoking a cigarette, but in this to be true to your real scenario, I would leave my seat, head down and speak to the cabin crew and say to them that 25B.

5:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the spirit would there's no way you're in the 25th row. [SPEAKER_00]: What was it? [SPEAKER_01]: One Charlie the 27th row. [SPEAKER_01]: It was three really long. [SPEAKER_01]: The windows yet and how so I was in the window all sports man of the people finally for all screen the middle and this guy in the aisle so also like [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't leave my window seat the whole flight because I didn't want to, you know, be annoying to the person in the aisle.

5:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So I would go to the crew and say, hey, that passenger is smoking. [SPEAKER_00]: Smoking a vape. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I would let the crew do it with it. [SPEAKER_00]: I would not. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I should have. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did you say something yourself?

5:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So listen, I want the full honest, uncensored unfiltered. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's just us too that the listeners are not even with us at the moment. [SPEAKER_01]: So when I saw him do it, when I saw him do it, I was kind of like taking it back. [SPEAKER_01]: So I told Oscar or Oscar. [SPEAKER_01]: I were talking about it in Swedish, which love being able to just discuss anything in Swedish and most people want to know what you're saying.

6:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He's heard what's when you're not flying. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Because, listen, secondhand smoke from Vapes is dangerous. [SPEAKER_01]: We've been pulling the smell, the entire flight, so he's putting other people's health at risk doing this on an aircraft.

6:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So the next time he does it, I just like tap his shoulder. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I didn't even know if he's broken I tap his shoulder, I pointed, I pointed out the no smoking sign. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my god. [SPEAKER_00]: What the overhead. [SPEAKER_00]: No smoke. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

6:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you're like the woman in the delta video with the finger. [SPEAKER_00]: Like this smoking is not allowed. [SPEAKER_01]: I got my moment as her. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I do that. [SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of like, [SPEAKER_01]: laughs it off like he wasn't, you know, sorry or anything.

7:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, but I could tell he was a bit like embarrassed. [SPEAKER_00]: So he laughed because you tapped him on the shoulder and you pointed at the snow smoking sign. [SPEAKER_00]: But, and then he, he understood what you meant, right? [SPEAKER_00]: He looked at the snow smoking sign.

7:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course he understood what I meant. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so then he immediately goes to the lavatory and I'm like, okay, great. [SPEAKER_01]: He's gone. [SPEAKER_00]: He said there's no lavatory because there are smoke detectors that will also pick up the smoke.

7:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are, but I've so I know I have some [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to call them friends, but I know some people who also have a pair of done it on flights. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, if you do it into your sweater, the smoke detectors won't detect the smoke from of eight.

7:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because that we know smoke being really stuck into the air, we'll kind of stand at the post. [SPEAKER_01]: So he was in the laboratory for like 40 minutes until we were What when you didn't see work to lie to buy me now most of the flights like 22 it's he was in there for ages So that when I'm like What is he doing so then I did I mean this is what I showed it on from the start.

8:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I was I flagged the crew down. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like just so you guys know [SPEAKER_01]: The guy next to us has been vaping the whole flight, and I think he's currently vaping in the bathroom because he's been there Half, you know, for 40 minutes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they go. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you so much for learning us So the passenger comes back as we're on final approach.

8:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, we're getting off soon Then the person What was he thinking goes up to the passenger? [SPEAKER_01]: As we're sitting there, and he goes, sir, another passenger has reported that you're smoking. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, are you a joke? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

9:04 [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted him to be aware of what's going on. [SPEAKER_01]: Not to forgive him say, who's that guy going to think, rather than, oh, my dry already confiliated. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. [SPEAKER_00]: And do you know what happens in these scenarios? [SPEAKER_00]: Right there, then the focus becomes on who told on him rather than the fact that he's just committed a criminal offense punishable by law, right?

9:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, the guy is acting all like confused. [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, he's acting like he doesn't know a word of English. [SPEAKER_01]: Huh? [SPEAKER_01]: Huh? [SPEAKER_01]: He posed out a pack of cigarettes from his pocket and shrugs as if he's never heard of a vape in his life, and I'm just like... Can we just land and go there or make a mess of that?

9:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They did, and also like, we're already flying into Saudi Arabia. [SPEAKER_01]: I just ratted out a Saudi guy to the room. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we saw him at immigration, a luggage claim, and the line for taxis. [SPEAKER_01]: So I was in this scenario before where we're at a hotel. [SPEAKER_01]: What was it?

10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a man making there was a man taking videos and making a young girl quite uncomfortable and it went on and on for 10 or 50 minutes and I was like I'm not going to just pretend this is not happening. [SPEAKER_00]: This is not right. [SPEAKER_00]: But in that scenario, where I then, I had the message of like the Paul desk, you know, the ones who were like managing the Paul and the, whatever, and the beach, because you would engage with them on a WhatsApp.

10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I, I messaged, became quite friendly with the lady, and I messaged on the WhatsApp to the lady who was the director. [SPEAKER_00]: So I just think you should come and have a look because it, [SPEAKER_00]: But in that scenario, to literally avoid what you went through, I spelled out to her, do not approach me or ask me any questions, just go and see for yourself.

11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you have any questions, message me here on WhatsApp because it was only me. [SPEAKER_00]: I was the only person around, so it would have been so stupidly obvious. [SPEAKER_00]: And you have to do the thinking for because that reaction makes all the differences to what the end result is going to be.

11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what I learned here is really like I don't mind taking things into my own hands. [SPEAKER_01]: I often tell people not to do different things to public. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: Not to what? [SPEAKER_00]: Just repeat. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, to do different things in public. [SPEAKER_01]: Like if someone is doing something, I find like socially unacceptable. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just ask them to stop. [SPEAKER_01]: but on a plane in an enclosed setting, I think I should have just gone to the crew and let them handle it.

11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the way to handle these types of things so that you avoid awkwardness. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel really uncomfortable sitting next to this person. [SPEAKER_01]: Who now knows you ratted them out to the crew for another 20 minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_00]: You need to stay in Cognita.

12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to be looking over and we're like, oh look, there's something happening over it. [SPEAKER_00]: 25 feet. [SPEAKER_00]: As if the whole thing wasn't focused. [SPEAKER_00]: Also, we're very hyper, like, you're not quite hyper-observant. [SPEAKER_00]: We especially in the confines of an aircraft cabin, then we know so well.

12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So, just feel like we just noticed things that others don't- Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Did I tell you the story? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, on this topic, when I was much younger, boarding a flight, and the passenger in front of me was completely gone, drunk. [SPEAKER_00]: But the women in front of her didn't realise.

12:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I tell you that story? [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: So it was maybe 2000, maybe 13 or something, and I was flying alone back from Malaga, and I'm boarding, easy jet, speedy boarding queue, not actually boarding, but queueing at the gate. [SPEAKER_00]: And the passenger in front of me, elderly woman, she starts rocking from side to side, and as she's rocking I'm covered in the smell of alcohol, of like spirits in alcohol, so I'm like, oh my god, and then she kind of turns around.

13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but like maybe worse, okay, and older. [SPEAKER_00]: And she turns around and she was like, and kind of fell to what that stumbled towards me. [SPEAKER_00]: And I put my hand up and I said to her, please, no, like, excuse me, please, you know, kind of like, yeah, but I, crucially, I didn't, I didn't touch or support, but she just kind of stumbled and redeemed her balance.

13:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, sorry, you know, and put my hand up like, you know, get away from me kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And she, her eyes were crazy like she's like looking her eyelids were rolling back her eyelids were flattering she was. [SPEAKER_00]: Armored. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so she turns around and there are these women in front of her group of friends and she's like, oh no, no, no, she says something.

14:25 [SPEAKER_00]: She stumbles towards him and someone in one of them tells her and she says, what was that my love? [SPEAKER_00]: She says, she looks and she goes, he hit me. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'll go. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'll go. [UNKNOWN]: Who? [SPEAKER_00]: and she turns around her arm gently raises in points.

14:44 [SPEAKER_00]: She goes to me, and she's like, oh no. [SPEAKER_01]: He goes, and she goes, and then these women they're like, did he now, and like, folding their arms, like it's discipline time, whereas no one hit this random drunk woman. [SPEAKER_00]: also, also, I'm like, delusion or women, can you not see how she is, right?

15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're going, do you know where did he hit you, my love? [SPEAKER_00]: I took my earphone out, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, are you guys delusional? [SPEAKER_00]: Can you not see how hammered she is? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not done any such thing. [SPEAKER_00]: She's falling about all over the place.

15:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I raised my, like I put my hand up to shield myself from her falling on to me. [SPEAKER_00]: They're looking at me, and they're going to her, don't worry, my love. [SPEAKER_00]: You stay here with us. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I was like, you know, you snooze, you delusional women, you want to just pretend that she's, you know, not fine with me.

15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, ironic thing is, is in that example, in that, sorry, in that like 10 seconds. [SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that none of these women have got speedy voting right not the drunk Not the group of women who are now defending the drunk. [SPEAKER_00]: So I look and I was like Sorry by the way, and I'm pointing at her boarding pass and she looked down and I used to I told you this advice to kick So many people out of the queue from eight years old up I had no shame because I was in the correct queue They were not just to tap people on the shoulder and say hi your cues over there.

16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You know get out move [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well you're in the wrong queue. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say, oh, are you group one and then to a group whatever it was about me? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: That's there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, let me go. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: I said to her, sorry.

16:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You're in the wrong queue. [SPEAKER_00]: This is, I said this is for speed of boarding. [SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, oh, you know, the classic pretending they had no idea. [SPEAKER_00]: So then I take my case and I move around the drunk and around these women and in front of [SPEAKER_00]: So they go with her and she kind of stumbles off into another direction and that's that.

16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But my eyes had clocked and registered the seat number of the drunk, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: She was like 30 B in a middle seat, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: So they opened for boarding and go down the ramp. [SPEAKER_00]: on the jet bridge and I bought and there's a very nice easy jet cabin manager and she says morning, as a morning, as a day, just to let you know, 30 bravo is completely completely drunk.

17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And with it, yeah, with it. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's a 30, 30 is completely drunk. [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, the best reaction, it instantly she goes, she immediately, she picked up her [SPEAKER_00]: Not on my flight, she's not, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she goes, thanks for letting me know my love.

17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, no worries, so I go and I sit and I'm like in the second row. [SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm observing boarding. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm waiting, I'm waiting, I'm waiting. [SPEAKER_00]: And like, she hasn't come at night. [SPEAKER_00]: Neither have the delusional women who believe to appear either.

17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, the heart was there three, 20, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: So every one boards and then the last few passengers, the last people to board. [SPEAKER_00]: are these women that get on and they look a little bit different like they just looked less confident than previously where they were all joky and this is and that they as they bored the drunk now steps on to the aircraft just behind them and they're kind of looking back at her [SPEAKER_00]: and the cabin manager take asks for the boarding pass and she knows no 30B has boarded yet and she's the last passenger that dispatch her standing behind her so she can see that this isn't this is the drunk.

18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: She needs your boarding pass. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, trust your boarding pass please. [SPEAKER_00]: She's saying to her and she stands there at the front and violently wets herself. [SPEAKER_00]: In front of all passengers is you have made galley like you know it's an [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just straight away, they security come, take her as his turn off of the aircraft, these delusional women astounding in the aisle, watching it, saying nothing.

19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And then one of the challenges I contact with me and I'm like, tell you, seriously, you were listening to her ramble on a rubbish about me. [SPEAKER_00]: The woman is completely not fit for travel, she's absolutely gone, it's 9 a.m. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so they offloaded her, they offloaded her back.

19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The crazy thing is, is, shortly after they were discussing, she was with a 12-year-old who had boarded a loan already, and was sat on the aircraft. [SPEAKER_00]: So they went and found this kid, and were like, sorry, you have to get off. [SPEAKER_00]: Who is this then? [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, so grandmother or something.

19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: No, she's not fit to travel. [SPEAKER_00]: She you're going to have to, so they get the 12-year-old off as well. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, I didn't even see none of us saw the 12-year-old. [SPEAKER_00]: That was quite sad. [SPEAKER_00]: That was so cool. [SPEAKER_00]: gosh she was like completely neglected the kid who apparently knew how to how to board and get on without knowing that she was so drunk so they got the kid off and then they were waiting for the luggage and so we really felt sorry for the kid and yeah and that was that so for us in that story I did go straight to the cabin manager and she was really effective and she didn't she didn't write anyone out [SPEAKER_01]: So we were supposed to be doing Q&A.

20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have one more rant because there's one more thing I have to say, which is that, I mean, speaking of, we haven't been speaking of, but I have most of my award accounts like on airline award programs are pools or points sharing with my family members. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I can always see it like what they're earning, what they're doing, and obviously you and I help family members all the time, pretty much every time anyone of my family is going somewhere, I'm the one who books it, and who finds the deal.

20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this weekend, my aunt texts me, and she goes, um, how can you help me find flights to Madrid, and I go, no worries. [SPEAKER_01]: And I checked with points and I'm like, there's nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no deal that sends at all. [SPEAKER_01]: So I said, for this one, just book cash, it's only Gothenburg to Madrid.

21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's no big deal, and she was kind of like, okay, are you sure? [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So this morning, I log into my, our shared points account where our balance used to be 450,000 points, who's a lot of which who shared account. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's me, my mom, my aunt, my uncle, and Oscar in one family account.

21:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit cozy. [SPEAKER_01]: Go on. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: I rarely use these points for me. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like so that I can easily book for my family is the idea. [SPEAKER_01]: So then I log in and I'm like, wait, the balance is supposed to be 450.

22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is it 150,000 points? [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's with Jerome. [SPEAKER_01]: So I go to the activity on my aunt without telling me, has booked a round trip ticket from Gothenburg to Madrid for 300,000 points. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I was like, I was like, you should have gone with a dragier in business.

22:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally, I'm like, or in first actually, this is the biggest betrayal of my trust. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you have spent points worth $4,500 to go to Madrid. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the ticket is non-refundable because she bought like some, no. [SPEAKER_01]: Like one of those cash tickets that you can buy with points.

22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, they're even worse value on there. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like at the end to check out. [SPEAKER_00]: Did you actually want to use avios for this? [SPEAKER_01]: most of the time as it safe don't the advice is don't do that right exactly so like the programs your most active and don't do this but SAS does where you if you search book with points they have they're sneaky because some are point seats and then some are cash tickets that they're letting you redeem points for at a terrible value now so this is how she wanted to avoid yeah this is how she ended up with and I'm just like oh my god what do I do this is [SPEAKER_01]: She's wasted so much future potential.

23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know how to handle this, guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Please send your advice because... Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: And then she's interested. [SPEAKER_00]: We know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to, I mean, I haven't seen her in months. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm kind of like, I think she feels like... Oh, I just need to use these points, you know, finally.

23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they were supposed to go to the Middle East. [SPEAKER_01]: There, so some of them are hers, some are my mom, some are mine, only I can see who's or who like what the breakdown is to her. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, oh, I have 450,000 points. [SPEAKER_01]: So let me book this trip to Madrid.

24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that one, I mean, herkins. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanksgiving at your place, it is, I mean, that's a big piece of detail. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, do you see this family group as hell? [SPEAKER_00]: You should, how is there a shared account of so many of you with one person's perception that everything in the shared account is in fact not shared, but the property of one person come on.

24:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to refund that. [SPEAKER_00]: You need to figure out how to refund. [SPEAKER_01]: What did you write to SSA? [SPEAKER_00]: It was a rogue auntie said that she had a drink say that say auntie, you know what that like she had a drink You know It's got an avian Poem Sun says you sound Yeah, I think no, no, no, I'm being serious.

25:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to do something about that [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I even saw that Oscar's mom is a part of this group. [SPEAKER_01]: That's even worse. [SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, I've got FOMO. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I'm going to invite you next. [SPEAKER_01]: There's two spots left. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I wouldn't be, you know, just put in my hand in and taking out 300k for a two-hour flight from God by the full places.

25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I am more than a $4,500 cash equivalent. [SPEAKER_01]: for it. [SPEAKER_01]: The flight. [SPEAKER_01]: That is crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we really have to get into Q&A, but this has been a fun little chat. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a question here from Josh. [SPEAKER_00]: He says, what would we rather have Concord return or the A3AT forever?

25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's ready forever. [SPEAKER_00]: I agreed a 30 forever. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Concord of course is an icon and both Dan and I were too young as 97 kids to experience Concord properly, but the or at all, but I said like we only flew it domestically [SPEAKER_00]: But what Concord Unlocked in speed is probably going to be part of the next decade or two in a travel with hypersonic supersonic and everything sonic, whereas the A380 and something of that magnitude in size that we enjoy today is probably not going to be part of the future of aviation.

26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: If not probably it will not be and therefore I think we should A380 max A380 max [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, wait, in this span of time, you've suddenly embraced the phrase, Max? [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the TikTok phrases. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like any of this bullshit social media things.

26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think when you're the Oxford dictionary, and I think when people start reading it, moving on, let's, another quick one. [SPEAKER_00]: This one is from Donna. [SPEAKER_00]: What is one airline delivery? [SPEAKER_00]: that we would bring back from the dead. [SPEAKER_01]: Just wanted question.

27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the, I mean, I mean, 147s that they've repainted in the retro liveries looked amazing, especially I don't know the names of each one, but the one with the red BA logo sort of close to the nose, below the BA text. [SPEAKER_01]: That was delicious. [SPEAKER_00]: I am thinking, and I'm just checking this is really, right?

27:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You're so not gonna, like, you will not expect this from me. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, for the B.A.1, do you mean the Negus one? [SPEAKER_01]: Wait. [SPEAKER_01]: I need to Google. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'd also bring back the BA. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so I'm wait. [SPEAKER_01]: Did I mean, yes? [SPEAKER_01]: No, I did not.

27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I meant I need to find the name. [SPEAKER_01]: But wait, I would bring back their very controversial world tales. [SPEAKER_00]: I love those. [SPEAKER_00]: I. Fatch a hated those. [SPEAKER_01]: I know all the nationalists, but like, talk about how many things this has to do with this. [SPEAKER_01]: The concept of every tale being different inspired by this nation, amazing.

28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And the, the delivery I liked, by the way, the land or delivery. [SPEAKER_00]: Lando, yes, yes, yes, it was the Lando library. [SPEAKER_00]: On the world tells Margaret Fathcher, was at the Conservative Party Conference. [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, those tales were in 1997. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just me.

28:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. [SPEAKER_00]: So she saw a model at the Conservative Party Conference, a BA model 747 with the world tells the global art. [SPEAKER_00]: and she's on footage, she covered the tail with a tissue and wrapped it around and she said, we fly the British flag, not these awful things. [SPEAKER_00]: And she believed that the global designs would like make it lose its British identity, but we're bad.

29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, in the end, BA abandoned the project in 1999. [SPEAKER_01]: Because there was so much backlash, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a special opportunity to have a different tale on every plane, but I loved it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because there is also a story about a woman from Botswana who was the art designer for some of those towers in 1997 and there is a whole story as to how she landed this kind of job, this project with BA.

29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You should I'll try and find it and send it to you but it [SPEAKER_00]: I vines niche, but I had I had a model of this aircraft when I was a kid and I just thought the liver was so beautiful. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Google in front of you now. [SPEAKER_00]: Cafe Pacific 747 Asia world city Leverie.

30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I know that recognize it world city [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that is delicious. [SPEAKER_01]: That is so good. [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: And I see this and I get good bumps because I remember receiving the motto of it, like really, really young, but also I remember seeing it for the first time.

30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He throw me like, whoa, yeah, I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, just this is amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: And want us had some amazing, similar special degrees. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, what this makes me think is that [SPEAKER_01]: special livery's have died out unless it's retro livery's. [SPEAKER_01]: What happened to these super special actually credit to Qatar because they have a few really cool special livery's on their triple sevens at the moment.

30:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have one, the FIFA World Cup. [SPEAKER_01]: But in general, in general, we don't have these contemporary special livery's being done. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we want more art-focused livery's, I guess, more cultural livery's rather than just like sponsorship related ones, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You know the master of random special livery's, which we've never spoken about, less than because they do so many and on the 880, no less, but Emirates, special livery's can get so [SPEAKER_01]: unbelievably random. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm specifically, specifically thinking the career express one that looks like it's a big package.

31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, what's the, what's the deal here? [SPEAKER_00]: But again, they're all kind of business driven, which is fine. [SPEAKER_00]: And I like a special living. [SPEAKER_00]: I commend Emirates for being really Emirates never because they've got the big billboard of the O380. [SPEAKER_00]: They never go small with it.

31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's always like something massive, whether it's for Wimbledon or for, for that card division or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: But the, I think, was the name Wunala dreaming, the one I'm thinking of, the predominantly red or one. [SPEAKER_00]: Was that ever a contest? [SPEAKER_01]: No one just wanted us if that was incredible to, oh my goodness.

32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was, that was an indigenous design and it was a conscious working with an Aboriginal owned company. [SPEAKER_00]: inspired from all different kind of colours of historical strailier. [SPEAKER_00]: The bright reds were supposed to represent central strailier. [SPEAKER_00]: The purple bits were supposed to be the mountains, the greens.

32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they just... [SPEAKER_00]: you know, really, really culturally rich, not with any specific, like, you know, business motivation in mind. [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I like what they did on the 787-9, which flies between London and Perth with they did, it's called Yam dreaming. [SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's inspired by the 1991 art piece.

32:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a bit more, it's just a bit more demur, which is like, let's go all in, but it is nice, it is nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's funny. [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about special livery's because we have another question here from why, who says, What do we think about Starlux X sort of llama livery?

33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you don't know, listener Starlux has been, [SPEAKER_01]: Introducing the series of really cool special deliveries on their first view a 351,000s. [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of those things that's like, it's so maximalist, it's so eye-catching, I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're doing what just what other rounds are not, and it's really eye catching and look, I commend them for that because these deliveries are crazy, like they unveiled the theeter 51,000, which is wouldn't like metallic, I mean, it's just, it's a mirror like chrome finish across the fuselage.

33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: There's artwork extending right onto the tail onto the engines and [SPEAKER_00]: of championing special liveries is a great way to get people to know about Starlux, which otherwise would struggle to be known by anyone who doesn't fly to or from Taiwan, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's really good because they're really, really cutting through to a wider market who know that there is this airline that that [SPEAKER_00]: reveal incredibly well-designed, really out there expensive liveries, and then of course people are naturally curious, well, who are starlox that do this?

34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: What is this airline, and then you get to know that, oh, this is [SPEAKER_00]: And that, naturally, with deep pockets in Taiwan, with big growth plans, trying to push that way, understandably so into one of the alliances and being blocked as we discussed and approved there. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think we discussed that in the eye after episode.

34:52 [SPEAKER_00]: The real. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_01]: There is no place like Taiwan. [SPEAKER_01]: It is. [SPEAKER_01]: It's unfathomable, unfathomable, that such a small island has three of the world's best airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: We're also talking three locals. [SPEAKER_01]: They're all competing to be so good.

35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: EVA goes all in on the Hello Kitty theme on some of their aircraft with the Livry Andy Cole onboard experience. [SPEAKER_01]: Taiwan is just like epic. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always worried about these airlines. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, how are they surviving? [SPEAKER_01]: How are three airlines competing like this?

35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: but the current situation for passengers, what a dream to have that level of choice. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so true. [SPEAKER_00]: We like it when airlines are boozy as well and they do things that are out there and like they don't just stick with the norms and the navy blue and we can't do that and so on.

35:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's some, that's really good. [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a question here from Anna. [SPEAKER_00]: Anna says, I'm just going to try and paraphrase because it's a little long, but okay, but basically, it's on a Singapore Airlines's reputation and if we think that it is deserved and fit for 2026 or if it's merely resting on 20 year old legacy and praise.

36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's there's always going to be underrated airlines that don't have that branding and legacy, but Singapore Airlines is still one of the best that's I think, you know, we're very quick to adjust our perception of airlines when they start going downhill. [SPEAKER_01]: So, we shouldn't think that the flying public is easily fooled, just by, well, I always say they are, but if flight experiences are consistently poor, people are going to notice.

36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen that with some airlines in Europe, for example, he used to be regarded as premium, but no longer are. [SPEAKER_01]: So, SQ does it, does it a good job. [SPEAKER_00]: Ryan is asking us if there is genuinely a market of passengers in economy class who want to fly Sydney London nonstop as contests what we're doing next year that he explains that he feels that the rhetoric is really driven about premium and premium paying passengers.

37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you ask a regular person, who's flying economy, would you rather stop and stretch your legs or stay in one place for as long as what could be 22 hours that that person probably would tell you they don't want to do it? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what's he asking for, I thought it's on this.

37:36 [SPEAKER_01]: someone tell us, we asked about this before who is, who is out there, who is lucky to take this flight as we said. [SPEAKER_00]: We both said like there's just no need. [SPEAKER_00]: No way. [SPEAKER_00]: In economy, as in, if you're, if, why we would rather stop, it could be Singapore economy to the Middle East to kind of, you would rather stop.

37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, precisely. [SPEAKER_01]: So emergencies is the situation I can see extremely time sentences in minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sent to you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So Mark has a question that I'm sure a lot of people wonder about. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a fun one. [SPEAKER_01]: So he says, why do airlines leave aircraft on remote stands all day and fly red eyes both ways, rather than turning them around on daytime flights?

38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, this is an interesting concept because so many airlines do this, where they'll fly primarily to Africa, leave the aircraft holiday or from Australia to the US, leave it from 6 am to 11 pm the next day, and really, [SPEAKER_01]: As far as I'm aware, it's just because airlines are looking to maximize on-word connections and feeding into their networks, the ideal bank times on both ends, because having a flight for example from Johannesburg to Frankfurt that ends up if the aircraft lands in Johannesburg at [SPEAKER_01]: A-6 AM and leaves at 8 AM, there's not that much time for connections into Johannesburg on the morning, and then it lands in Frankfurt in the evening, so there's also not that much time for onward connections, especially to the US and that type of thing.

39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you agree? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all about facilitating those connections. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not the L. Don't forget that in order for an airline to boost its financial health throughout the year, aircraft utilization is a big part of that. [SPEAKER_00]: And airlines are doing whatever they can to optimize the utilization and to increase it.

39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And increasing your aircraft utilization means the airline is the aircraft is making more money for you as it's flying rather than sitting on the ground where it's not making any money at all. [SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: If an airline is consciously taking the decision to keep an aircraft on the ground all day, only for it then to fly back in the evening, you know that the trade-off means that it actually makes far more sense than making more money by doing so rather than missing out an important bank of transfer traffic.

40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: precisely. [SPEAKER_01]: And just look at Quantus, they've made it into a whole part of their business model where they actually have a maintenance facility at L.A.X. [SPEAKER_01]: Because they have so many aircraft spending all day there, every day, they take that chance to do some service that they could have done in Sydney, like BA does overnight.

40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And he throw, for example, but instead they spend the day doing it at L.A.X. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's always fun to drive by and see those quantus at least [SPEAKER_00]: I always notice when I'm taxing it, he throw, we see the quantisair craft that spend a lot of they spend all day there as well.

40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes some united aircraft as well, it's been her have longer. [SPEAKER_01]: Carthage. [SPEAKER_00]: Carthage. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what I noticed as I taxi past is when they open all the doors. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, because they're airing the cabin. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's always like, I'm always kind of taxing past.

41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, get some air in that that that aircraft has been flying for about [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I'm always thinking, because sometimes you see that in the Middle East. [SPEAKER_01]: You see it in the summer in the Middle East. [SPEAKER_01]: I saw it in Riyadh speaking of that flight.

41:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm just like, [SPEAKER_01]: shouldn't those doors be closed like I know you're probably doing something but this aircraft is on a stand and you're letting in 40 degree human air yeah to that's not sensible no no you need but it happens I mean there are obviously doing it for a reason but let's see what other oh we yeah I can't believe we haven't discussed this on an episode but good we got this in a question [SPEAKER_01]: SAS Robin asked us to talk about SAS order for 18 A330 Nios and an undisclosed, at least at the time of recording this.

41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Number of A330 previous gen. What did you think when you saw this? [SPEAKER_01]: Don't care? [SPEAKER_00]: Don't put words in my mouth. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care that much. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, I'd be fair. [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was, yeah, it was an interesting one because they're kind of recycling it and also, and also investing.

42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, it's the largest investment in SAS history, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So, so that is something. [SPEAKER_00]: The A330-900 Neo, you know, okay, yeah, good replacement to their long-haul fleet in their 330's find, get that completely, I think that's of sound decision. [SPEAKER_00]: And then the classic the A333-100's have been secured because [SPEAKER_00]: these slots for new aircraft are so far away in the grand scheme of things, but the only way to bring in capacity and expand as any airline right now is to acquire aircraft on the second-hand market, which is what they're doing there.

43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's their near-term growth being satisfied later by their long-term growth, which is the investment in the fleet. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a good decision, I think, not bad for passengers. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I find interesting, is that first of all, that E330 Neo, I mean every time an airline order is that I'm like, okay, snooze.

43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like out of every aircraft that could have ordered. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: Not that it's a regular one. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the least interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But if any airline should have a large fleet of A321, LRs or XLRs, even though the weight is long, [SPEAKER_01]: it should be SDS.

43:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Copenage is not slow-constrained. [SPEAKER_01]: They already use this aircraft quite actively. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes a ton of sense as much as I don't prefer to fly it for them to have a fleet of 20, 30 of those. [SPEAKER_01]: Unlock all these new destination possibilities instead of for example, [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what their plan is with proceeding with Dubai flights.

44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen any updates there, but that was supposed to be an A320 Neo. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's at least get some life-flat seats throughout the network. [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I just feel like the A330 is a bit big for SES. [SPEAKER_01]: This is really, I think, assuming that AirFran's KLM starts shuffling or shuddling a bunch of traffic through Copenhagen.

44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed. [SPEAKER_00]: Raj says India is the fastest growing aviation market on the planet. [SPEAKER_00]: Is this going to be a big growth story ahead or will the mess of our infrastructure role-on? [SPEAKER_00]: My head goes too. [SPEAKER_00]: No, so it's just about the market about India being the fastest growing aviation market.

44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: My head straightaway goes to the new upcoming, well, the CEO of Indigo, William Walsh, and the plans that he has for Indigo, and his comments on the wide bodies in India. [SPEAKER_00]: Did you see that? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring up the exact quote, so I can get it. [SPEAKER_00]: He said, he criticized India's aviation market for only, I want to find exactly, basically he described it as a scandal that India, a population of almost 1.5 billion, is home to 50 wide body aircraft.

45:40 [SPEAKER_01]: that is crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: That is a scandal. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's right. [SPEAKER_00]: What I find interesting is that he's already outlining this before taking the role. [SPEAKER_00]: So all they have plans, they have plans, they have plans, and good, that will be, you know, that there will be growth for the market.

46:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, I mean, Warren said it, it news it Peter Albers, of course, was the CEO who resigned on the 10th of March. [SPEAKER_00]: But he is widely linked to the crisis that forced the airline if you remember to cancel thousands of flights when it was that kind of big disruption, the largest in 20 years, last December, Indigo cancelled 5,000 flights leaving everyone stranded across airports in India and so.

46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But if we look at the growth story ahead, I think we've seen the big orders from Air India Indigo have lots of aircraft coming soon. [SPEAKER_00]: The white body, the white body is on the horizon of air and within reach and so I do think it's going to be a growth story, but I don't think it's going to be plain sailing because...

46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are very few markets in aviation, yeah, that it's pain-setting. [SPEAKER_00]: It never is especially with older infrastructure, bureaucracy, and everything that these kind of legacy systems have like the Indian aviation market. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's fair. [SPEAKER_01]: What I just want to say is that I can't say I know in the culture that well, but I get this feeling that they always think that foreign things are better.

47:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I mean by that is that I think a lot of people are like, [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm going to fly a good airline, it's going to be a foreign airline. [SPEAKER_01]: And you see how they like glorify these European airlines to this day when it doesn't necessarily make sense to do so. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I mean that.

47:33 [SPEAKER_01]: that probably pays plays into it and there's a lot of work to do to convince the Indian public that actually Air India can be better than the foreign airlines and that's not just the job of convincing them it's actually doing the work and being better than the foreign airlines. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at this email that I've received from the UK Civil Aviation Authority and I can't help or feel that they, in this scenario, the examples they're using, it's like, do you guys know modern day of the ocean with respect?

48:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're doing some great work trying to highlight the challenges of lithium batteries and the dangers that they present to passengers. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so it says over a third of passengers say they are still not aware of the dangers of lithium batteries, true, I think it's probably more than a third.

48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: and that the top items that were packed by football fans over the World Cup were power banks, vapes and e-cigarettes and spare batteries, and that those people are not aware of a third of them, they're not aware that you can't put it here and you can't put it in that bag and it shouldn't be in the hold and so on.

48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they're going to say, this is the UK subway version of the average A3AT flying to the USA now, [SPEAKER_00]: How many authorities are flying to the USA? [SPEAKER_00]: It's a handfall globally, not even just from the UK, but it's not really an A380 market. [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, they're trying to get across the even the world's bigger aircraft.

49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So the average A380 flying to the USA now has a predicted 2000 Lithium battery powered products on board. [SPEAKER_00]: This means that the fire risk posed by these items is now the number one safety risk to aircraft according to the UK civil aviation authority. [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

49:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: So on that note, thank you everyone for joining us today. [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a really fun chat. [SPEAKER_01]: I need to go call my aunt. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I need to help you with that. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's take that off there.

49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: We will see you all next week. [SPEAKER_01]: As always on air. [SPEAKER_01]: Bye-bye. [SPEAKER_01]: See you later.