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Peaches and Trent sit down with retired Brigadier General Tom Palenske, and this one turns into a masterclass on leadership without all the fake corporate nonsense.
Palenske walks through one of the wildest career arcs we have had on the podcast: Goodyear factory kid from Topeka, Army National Guard helicopter door gunner, warrant officer, Huey and Black Hawk pilot, Air Force officer, MH-53 pilot, CV-22 squadron commander, wing commander, deployed special operations leader, and eventually a brigadier general who still sounds like a normal human being.
He talks about what it was like flying the lead MH-53 during the rescue of then-Lieutenant Colonel Dave Goldfein after he was shot down over Serbia, why the MH-53 was the ugliest-coolest helicopter ever built, and why the CV-22 gets more hate than it deserves. He also tells stories about combat, fear, missiles, A-10s, fast ropes, and why sometimes the only plan is to press forward because the mission still needs doing.
The conversation also gets into the stuff officers especially need to hear: rank and competence are not the same thing, people do not work for you, leadership means removing obstacles, accountability does not require cruelty, and your job is to help people reach their potential.
Palenske also talks about suicide prevention, why airmen need more than one identity, how fellowship builds resiliency better than another useless CBT, why commanders should get out of their offices and talk to people, and why real connection matters more than another policy memo.
The episode wraps with his unexpected run for office in Kansas, his view of politics, his love for his wife Jaron and their family, and the one leadership lesson that keeps coming back: be good, take care of people, and leave a positive impact.
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Chapters:
- Intro and Ones Ready
- Be Like Tom
- ATACLETE and Partner Discounts
- Operator Training Summit Updates
- Retired Brigadier General Palenske Joins
- Why Airmen Loved Working With Him
- Rank and Competence Are Not the Same
- Enlisted, Officer, and Not Getting Weird
- Eight General Officer Counselings
- The Best Part of Being a General
- From Topeka to the Army National Guard
- Becoming a Helicopter Pilot
- Joining the Air Force
- AFSOC, MH-53s, and Combat Deployments
- Goldfein Rescue and the Distinguished Flying Cross
- CV-22s, Command, and Becoming a General
- Goldfein Did Not Know Who Rescued Him
- Missiles, Serbia, and Launching Without Perfect Comms
- The A-10 Debrief
- MH-53 Hovering and Fast Rope Abuse
- Why the MH-53 Was Ugly but Awesome
- In Defense of the CV-22
- The CV-22 Combat Story
- Mental Health Evacuations and Epic Fury
- Are Young Airmen Really the Problem?
- Training, Fear, and Combat Stress
- Stress Inoculation Matters
- Leadership Before Mental Health Referrals
- Retiring Into Civilian Life
- Running for Office in Kansas
- Politics, Factions, and Doing the Work
- Food Trucks, Slip-n-Slides, and Wing Culture
- Walking Around and Talking to Airmen
- Suicide Prevention Through Connection
- Let Weird People Find Their People
- Accountability With Compassion
- Failing Without Being Defined by Failure
- The One-Mistake Air Force Problem
- The Four DUI Joke
- Taking Care of Airmen
- What Actually Matters When You Die
- Jaron, Family, and Eating Indoors
- Pelenske for Kansas
- Why Can’t We Just Be Good?
- Final Wrap
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