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Freakonomics co-author Steve Levitt tracks down other high achievers for surprising, revealing conversations about their lives and obsessions. Join Levitt as he goes through the most interesting midlife crisis you’ve ever heard — and learn how a renegade sheriff is transforming Chicago's jail, how a biologist is finding the secrets of evolution in the Arctic tundra, and how a trivia champion memorized 160,000 flashcards.

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  1. 47. Robert Axelrod on Why Being Nice, Forgiving, and Provokable are the Best Strategies for Life

    The prisoner’s dilemma is a classic game-theory problem. Robert, a political scientist at the University of Michigan, has spent his career studying it — and the ways humans can cooperate, or betray each other, for their own benefit. He and

  2. 46. What It’s Like to Be Steve Levitt’s Daughters

    Steve shows a different side of himself in very personal interviews with his two oldest daughters. Amanda talks about growing up with social anxiety and her decision not to go to college, while Lily speaks candidly about her battle with ano

  3. 45. Leidy Klotz on Why the Best Solutions Involve Less — Not More

    When we try to improve things, our first thought is often: What can we add to make this better? But Leidy, a professor of engineering, says we tend to overlook the fact that a better solution might be to take something away. He and Steve ta

  4. 44. Edward Glaeser Explains Why Some Cities Thrive While Others Fade Away

    An expert on urban economics and co-author of the new book Survival of the City, Ed says cities have faced far worse than Covid. Steve talks with the Harvard professor about why the slums of Mumbai function so well, high-quality housing in

  5. 43. Arne Duncan Says All Kids Deserve a Chance — and Criminals Deserve a Second One

    Former U.S. Secretary of Education, 3x3 basketball champion, and leader of an anti-gun violence organization are all on Arne’s resume. He’s also Steve’s neighbor. The two talk about teachers caught cheating in Chicago public schools and Ste

  6. 42. America’s Math Curriculum Doesn’t Add Up

    A special episode: Steve reports on a passion of his. Most high-school math classes are still preparing students for the Sputnik era. Steve wants to get rid of the “geometry sandwich” and instead have kids learn what they really need in the

  7. 41. Dr. Bapu Jena on Why Freakonomics Is the Best Medicine

    He’s a Harvard physician and economist who just started a third job: host of the new podcast Freakonomics, M.D. He’s also Steve’s former student. The two discuss why medicine should embrace econ-style research, the ethics of human-challenge

  8. How a Great Architect Thinks, with Bjarke Ingels | Better in Person

    Is the oxymoron really “the secret sauce to everything”? That’s the case Ingels makes in this debut episode of our new video show Better in Person, filmed in Stephen Dubner’s living room. If you'd like to see the video version of Better in

  9. 40. Harold Pollack on Why Managing Your Money is as Easy as Taking Out the Garbage

    He argues that personal finance is so simple all you need to know can fit on an index card. How will he deal with Steve’s suggestion that Harold’s nine rules for managing money are overly complicated? Harold and Steve also talk about gun vi

  10. 39. Aicha Evans Wants You to Take Your Eyes Off the Road

    She’s the C.E.O. of Zoox, an autonomous vehicle company. Steve asks Aicha about the big promises the A.V. industry hasn’t yet delivered — and the radical bet Zoox is making on a driverless future. Plus, Steve wants to know how she’s maintai

  11. 38. Sendhil Mullainathan Explains How to Generate an Idea a Minute (Part 2)

    Steve continues his conversation with his good friend, MacArthur “Genius Grant” recipient, and fellow University of Chicago economist. Sendhil breaks down the hypothesis of his book Scarcity, explains why machines aren’t competition for hum

  12. 37. Sendhil Mullainathan Thinks Messing Around Is the Best Use of Your Time

    He’s a professor of computation and behavioral science at the University of Chicago, MacArthur “Genius Grant” recipient, and author. Steve and Sendhil laugh their way through a conversation about the importance of play, the benefits of chan

  13. 36. How Rahm Emanuel Would Run the World

    In this interview, Steve talks with the former top adviser to presidents Clinton and Obama, about his record — and his reputation. And Rahm explains that while he believes in the power of the federal government, as former mayor of Chicago,

  14. 35. David Epstein Knows Something About Almost Everything

    He’s been an Arctic scientist, a sports journalist, and is now a best-selling author of science books. His latest, Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World, makes the argument that early specialization does not give you a head

  15. 34. Maya Shankar Is Changing People’s Behavior — and Her Own

    She used to run a behavioral unit in the Obama administration, and now has a similar role at Google. Maya and Steve talk about the power (and limits) of behavioral economics and also how people respond to change — the topic of her new podca

  16. 33. Travis Tygart Is Coming for Cheaters — Just Ask Lance Armstrong

    He’s the C.E.O. of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), which, under his charge, exposed the most celebrated American cyclist as a cheater. And Steve’s been studying cheaters for the last 25 years, so he’s also excited to talk to T

  17. 32. Angela Duckworth Explains How to Manage Your Goal Hierarchy

    She’s the author of the bestselling book Grit, and a University of Pennsylvania professor of psychology — a field Steve says he knows nothing about. But once Angela gives Steve a quick tutorial on “goal conflict,” he is suddenly a fan. They

  18. 31. Peter Leeson on Why Trial-by-Fire Wasn’t Barbaric and Why Pirates Were Democratic

    He’s an economist who studies even weirder things than Steve. They discuss whether economics is the best of the social sciences, and why it’s a good idea to get a tattoo of a demand curve on your bicep. This episode originally aired on June

  19. 30. Dambisa Moyo Says Foreign Aid Can’t Solve Problems, but Maybe Corporations Can

    The African-born economist has written four bestselling books, including Dead Aid, which Bill Gates described as “promoting evil.” In her new book about corporate boards, Dambisa uses her experience with global corporations to explore how t

  20. 29. Bruce Friedrich Thinks There’s a Better Way to Eat Meat

    Levitt rarely interviews advocates, but the founder of the Good Food Institute is different. Once an outspoken — and sometimes outlandish — animal-rights activist, Bruce has come to believe that market-driven innovation and scientific advan

  21. 28. Professor Carl Hart Argues All Drugs Should Be Legal — Can He Convince Steve?

    As a neuroscientist and psychology professor at Columbia University who studies the immediate and long-term effects of illicit substances, Carl Hart believes that all drugs — including heroin, methamphetamines, and cocaine — should be legal

  22. 27. Daniel Kahneman on Why Our Judgment is Flawed — and What to Do About It

    Nobel laureate, best-selling author, and groundbreaking psychologist Daniel Kahneman is also a friend and former business partner of Steve’s. In discussing Danny’s new book Noise: A Flaw in Human Judgment, the two spar over inconsistencies

  23. 26. Memory Champion Nelson Dellis Helps Steve Train His Brain

    He’s one of the world’s leading competitors, having won four U.S. memory tournaments and holding the record for most names memorized in 15 minutes (235!). But Nelson Dellis claims he was born with an average memory and that anyone can learn

  24. 25. Sam Harris: “Spirituality Is a Loaded Term.”

    He’s a cognitive neuroscientist and philosopher who has written five best-selling books. Sam Harris also hosts the Making Sense podcast and helps people discover meditation through his Waking Up app. Sam explains to Steve how to become spir

  25. 24. Are We Under Threat from a New Kind of Terror? (Replay Ep. 24)

    Amaryllis Fox is a former C.I.A. operative and host of the Netflix show The Business of Drugs. She explains why intelligence work requires empathy, and she soothes Steve’s fears about weapons of mass destruction. This episode originally air

  26. 23. Greg Norman & Mark Broadie: Why Golf Beats an Orgasm and Why Data Beats Everything

    Steve Levitt is obsessed with golf — and he’s pretty good at it too. As a thinly-veiled ploy to improve his own game, Steve talks to two titans of the sport: Greg “The Shark” Norman, who was the world’s top-ranked golfer for more than six y

  27. 22. Sal Khan: “If It Works for 15 Cousins, It Could Work for a Billion People.”

    Khan Academy grew out of Sal Khan’s online math tutorials for his extended family. It’s now a platform used by more than 115 million people in 190 countries. So what does Khan want to do next? How about reinventing in-school learning, too?

  28. 21. Pete Docter: “What If Monsters Really Do Exist?”

    He’s the chief creative officer of Pixar, and the Academy Award-winning director of Soul, Inside Out, Up, and Monsters, Inc. Pete Docter and Steve talk about Pixar’s scrappy beginnings, why it costs $200 million to make an animated film, an

  29. 20. John Donohue: “I'm Frequently Called a Treasonous Enemy of the Constitution.”

    He’s a law professor with a Ph.D. in economics and a tendency for getting into fervid academic debates. Over 20 years ago, he and Steve began studying the impact of legalized abortion on crime. John and Steve talk about guns, the death pena

  30. 19. Marina Nitze: “If You Googled ‘Business Efficiency Consultant,’ I Was the Only Result.”

    At 27— and without a college degree — she was named chief technology officer of the Department of Veterans Affairs. Today, Marina Nitze is trying to reform the foster care system. She tells Steve how she hacked the V.A.’s bureaucracy, opens

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