#19 Meister der analogen Fotografie!

0:00 Er fotografiert analog auf Großformat, ist Spezialist für die Kleindetails und in den schönsten Nationalparks der USA unterwegs. Unser heutiger Gast ist Ben Horn. Ihr hört den Podcast Pixelpeeper, Fotografie und anderes Gedöns mit Mike Hairford und Oliver Hummel? Was? Schönen guten Abend, Wir haben eine neue Podcast Folge Pixelpieper am Start. Wir haben heute mal wieder einen englischsprachigen Gast. Ich hoffe.

1:09 Dass das für euch trotzdem in Ordnung ist nach meinem Empfinden spricht der Ben Ben Horn die einen oder anderen kennen ihn bestimmt schon ein sehr, sehr gutes und sauberes Englisch, insofern glaube ich wird das gut verständlich sein. Also ich freue mich sehr, dass wir Ben zu Gast haben, wir werden jetzt gleich aufs englische switchen, ich sage schon mal good evening, ben good evening Mike.

1:31 Hallo. Thank you very much ben for being on the show. In San Diego right. Yes, yes, yes, California. Is. It warm or is it cold? You know it's it we have in a bit of a nice Spring Day look bit a Cloud South not particle warm by spring is in the year and the it's lovely. Ja OK, perfekt so you have nun and we are recording and evening alright, so the fresh Christians we always ask orgast ist what have you photograph the last time intentionally?

2:15 Have to say ever, you will say that you are large format analog for to go first. So i think every picture you make is intentionally, but we as discressions because you know orgests normally should didal and. I maybe have some steps shots a whatever, but we will explically want to know which was the last reall picture where there was some time some forts about composition in it, so what we have the last picture you took. Yeah, wo i just really simple return from. I get you say a li wintertrip I wish I spinle time in the Nationalpark and that ball in Nationalpark whitae the are use that i frequent caser verarly close to me and so on my mind trip to sign i used they are for i think five days and i take really a take follows of two

3:14 scenes the last one with a photo, the ground and beach. But there these the parce it's called movie marbles do it the size of just again glass marble, but the made of theinstone in acclactionne lose spatz in a rock and so it's just action of the All thies Round rocks in canvas. This large why shape and the that's the last for in i just pick my filme from the lab about and hour before the recording here. Exposure so It's i am scan the year, but that but that. With with them degrevy intention sadinesside iphone photosen and the like year.

4:09 And the exposure turn up good. Ja, ja, with good, it's a little bit tricky with large for math some times because. Digital where all we are your your streaming setting your shutor speed your aparture your eyes, so it's all in one want thirt stop increments with large for map when Mister I have in Shadows Speed the little bit on a faster side where in full stop incurements so doesn t Jacqueline what the Settings it a little bit of Ananas sometimes and it was in a was in thought sunlight that tickles for the business dood liken it is very called my hands wear. 1000 na i had a dous a mittelmeer by the turned good exposures, good was and disturbed dister by win guests thorny thing i that south so beer preculve for.

5:08 The velco what i forgot is too really to introduce your ad just ted people we have ben horn on the show, but i would like to ask you. Maybe you good say a cup of words who you are what you do ja that would be greatest. Ja, so I'm a Lens. Give it together. I stearre do it green videos on need to be back into thousand nine and they was to supplements a rippenblog theres do in at the time eleven shared is stop do in the ritten blog.

5:39 I don't know when do in the Video is eversencon back in 2000 is run the same time around 2000. Thousand eight is when i start it. I working with large for man, so the classic camers and turms of like the bellows in all that. Love the procers it's very. It's very simple like it is, but it it is very simple.

6:10 Mix you work for the images and. More that subject, i photograph or within a days drive of world live visit that fail your load. I visit sign Nationalpark a lot. This really fantastic heroes, explore and ideas go out on, but three trips the year and tick for dosen come back in, but the will put the video together in everything elsenides it's more thin tu a career, which is which is fun. Okay and when why a large for it, phillip photography is it a process by yourself about you childhood? Or ja, what is a special thing about love large for Miss. I think the the reason of really come to embraces it is that it for patient and i amy i am a very patient by think much of that is because i have to be

7:16 when working with large for mad. Mix you think through the process so much more than perhaps other voice. Even in for the haven mind augeed der mini mini mini hours and advance and i setup accounts position injustice wave for the light and i road change the composition and it's leave it as it is and something sometimes things workout very well.

7:43 Some time things the work is well. By i will say that a works outwell surprisingly high number of times and i think it also it forces me to learn a lot more about the areas there i fotograf to the point or i can. Learn to see paterns in terms of the with the clouds or now und how will they be when i comes close to sunset how we like be in you have that think ahead so i got sin away zeige plain just where you have that thinking for your doing.

8:20 And it really is all about the process, but also when the. Turns out very well. It's tough to be. I me have very high quality image mod. It's more but the process and a disablyn and i think that least your greater sens of satisfaction with onswork. OK, and when you say higher quality, i mean. Next questions would be do even have a digital camera apart from filming of course. We you more, i have a point and shoot camera that one point a used as video camera when doing.

9:06 Werkparking Trips. A better small camera for that by i don't haven actually. No high Resolution in a change a balance digital camera. I'm droid back in 20 i that i make you miss you now on something just cause things have changed wide to the years and i should also menschen there i started with diddle and. Then i want to be case i fair and that it just give me a greater songs of disappelin of my work. The back and twenty 20 II bare a digital kid give it just to see. Experimentabit more maybe or love me to photograph the Tapas subject stead art very.

9:56 Friendly for photography with large for mad by iphone that i didn t really have much with desire to fotograf the salt of subic. I can are the take pictures of with the by 10 and i induct i and it i'm selling the kid off just because it din reliefit my style if it's all but i had i would be great with it by this find that for what i do.

10:28 The filme the better better match in it's it so interesting because even know. Yes, it's a bigger sata, it's a book your setup, it's more expensive the. Die hitrate in terms of the images that actually become portfolio fotos is extremly high. I want on a trip to i want on to win a trips. I want on want to just the valley in then i want a trip to sign in that vallues is when i was mission are year, but on a first trip i photograph that believe nine subject over the course of a better week and a vose i have five portfolio fotos. High Keeper Raid in Termsis ADAC and Top in my Portfolio in the wants at am satisfied with so i don't know that i will be. Jumping back in any point.

11:26 I feel like filmis just a better way for me. But it's. Working in the water really come to in brace. And you said quality, that's because think mike and me, the bulls have no clue to be honors to work with a large format photographies what you mean with quality is it like a higher resolution as it nice, a colours is it. Ja.

11:57 I have a nikon see ate, which is the forty to megapix a camera, which as really good quality really high resolution everything is fine. What would you taste? Is it really so much better if you compared the to pictures? So let say the year to take the career wither you have the sea eight man, let's say that now your spending.

12:24 Fotograf und When I whate a translated to over there. So for the filmen processing, let say that you or your spinning that much, but also every linse you have with a till shiftlands and you're camera 700 megapixles. That's that's canive what it's like to work week by turn the. Die ist absolut the amazing. By it's expensive to work with, but also it's very versus because the lenses gain the billy have that in all the tiltonships en movements, any lens can be a close appliance you this extended balance.

13:09 Energies attacks long good, a setup, it's morgspensive do to photograph by if a photo turns out in a waiting very satisfied with for everything's good and i can't send that that she the film off for a drums can which is a highsqualis you can you can get and the scan of expensive there be a couple hundred hours, but you can speak on the film to seven hundred megapixels an your your not scene you not limited by green it uppoint.

13:40 So that's why it is still is the best of me ill du better than eo medium for my edge, it's just night is versus. And there in south well theme like a very significant limitation and it is but it also help helps meet to the side what the photograph. If there is a very fast ching gene seene i know that I'm proly knocking have the built your set of my camera in time the photographethe, but perhaps there is a really quilling subject on the grounders smaller scene and i can photography nike that firly easily so it sheeps what i photograph and that actually mixed a little bit easy in the field becasidong feel like you have to truth a photograph everything. And give this sense of direction, which is nice. And also it's.

14:43 Wanna comes to composition you look in Athen image that's upsided and backwards in very dim, but it's all in a large eight by tennisch piece of glass and a back the camera and so really helps with compositions as well watch is which is an edith bonus just a beautiful see this see that very large in the notice, the floors and access. Little wrong, so that's that's the other thing. It's that's quight night about it, but it's slow see down, but it aquality can be very very hif transatgrain. Wow, OK, Let's Sounds rewarding.

15:22 Can be. Yes, so every. Swing. Ja, after you after you Tokyo Pictures you. You don't process and yourself right. II dont i happen the have a well for the lab that so better forty five minutive Drive why love and so I'm ad much ruther handled of the dämm to do tube process i could do it myself, igitt, a little tricky with a fillmy use it's a color transparency film and so there is like six different chemicals you have to use and you have to have in the fresh chemistry and have it all on hand.

15:59 Its not i am very happy the have a lab the world of me. Ok and they also scann it. The kian bereite i don't have them scanned i have a flat Scanner. I home there you swatch honorsly that's a very, very good job. But it i have if thirted spin ordered by someone i take that is an apportunity to send it off for professional drums kian okay und wer will give the most out of the film?

16:31 That's the 100 macapicks the talk about. Yeah, intipicly as can't a more randers three hundred megapix orange. Beyond. Do this really mather because they out for can really handle it, but you can't can bigger. Bei where the drums can't comes and hear and they is beenable this sea into like the dark shadows that that are you where the flipped scanner i have home does and dictes well. Okay and do you do any processing digital processing like den fotoschlag shop like removing dirt or whatever or is it like or doing something and burning digitally ois it like the picture you took.

17:12 Der Process ist dann. Yeah, meat Doors Doors Develops and processing so windy skin the Film yes can it a bill contrast then you want because you do sonic cap she roll that information so innocents it's a bill like looking at a rawfile with doesn t really have the contress to say it say skinle bad lover. Spart Synocation Here Roller Who get it on here for not clown net out specifically its only really if i'm happy with how the future turn out.

17:52 That I'm going to go through all of that work. I don't can i foot i shouldn t want to think have patential. Work with transparency film, which is a build like photography news and jpeg mode on a didues or are you don't have as much a building to change? It can if is where it is so i thirts you know can i be about it do large changes in exposure i didn t like that.

18:21 I sometimes film with things wrong so I'm so got a color wrong so alt try to for that. And its, it's not it's no. I'm trying to stay completely true to the regional film I'm i am twin estay fairly truth the scene as it is. And so i know you big changes just because if we get start point, it pride is isn t it all like crait of photo oneing ways.

18:54 Thates more they are just to the currents, I'm tweed in the color, a little bit south like that so. Like a like a raw development. Ja, ja, ich sage jetzt, jetzt muss ich global changes sometimes if there is a distruction element, i will Brother and trink to just it. I work to came of large it. I think the reason for this is a with a filmimage since your daily move grainance and she haves touch high resolution your find simply using like the clown Steam Tool and in the healing brush and all that source stuff it doesn t work is well on film because you have this base pattern of graine an you can see when things sir have when a just it there is this food ride turkes go of this long grass and

19:50 a maddow this aiming your dawn at it. With really interesting, parental advisory does a few leave thin is to the taken do on the fall, there is a feel leaves and a lyrics corner that a yellow that stand that the write in the corner and this really no way that you could go through through and used the healing brusher andy thing of zu good wither those leafs just speak just because the under lying pattern of the grass you resolve never blit of grass.

20:21 Something this is life so whility is i when in Usain the curse tool and something some specific selections and i mid this yellow leaves turn green. Cazers im Green Leaf Series Wall and Wonder Green they blonden You Don't see you many war so i do not of edit like that waits a very specific very target it edit, but the ideas just to make something blind dance it destruction. Cool okay.

20:53 Wenn i am right now at your website and i see a lot of ja very nice images, and. I think you have a style. I think it's very intimate years. I'm something else what you mean by yourself how did your style change over the years? Two questions in one, but why intimit details and not the ground vistas.

21:22 The smaller more and time with charts or four easier on large for my the great vistas are tough. From the Mearing stand point from a dynamic range, deren points and so museen site film when i first god into shoulding film. I was treating a large for my camera, the wait with treating digital camers is the pass where you have you know Whiting orlands in you photographies grand Scenes. And all the year's they can work and oven does result and some degree of station.

21:59 Because is a lot to juggle and i've learns and trucks to the years i can help, but it's a lot jugo when you're dealing with white scene something there with be there easy of photograph with the digital camera just should at raw, he can see a exposure basically before you take the photo and then wants you how on the computer you can enor ad just the exposure after the fact that stop it's very easy attack for granded with digital words with a film. I'm looking too in external spart Meder. I wanna have a film hold on the camera i can see what my come position is sinymore i don't know, I don't know it cloud Syrien the frame which on sat in the frame. Do is a lot of guess work involved. And so shooting the small scenes

22:49 i think that's in area where. I can produce images i have a very come feeling to them and the experience that south is also when that's very come. Versus photography the Grand Scenes. It's a exercise a frustration to to trid it do that new i walker wave for me thing you like i have no clever hapet II think i decisions i don't know.

23:19 And so i really like a when experience if taking the photo matches the appearance it a photo and for me that a lot of has to do this small scenes. And i also think it's something that's really nice when i can take a photo have something that i people simply work write past another never notice but mean wow, no housible the notice step particular subject.

23:44 And so i think this do something we are. We re wording about that that that is where that there's more possible this too casid at change is all the time, so that's that so nice. OK, ja. Ja, jetzt ozzo. The photo you the photos you take a problem only you who take it there you neak and if you stand on if you point where everyone text photos everyone has a same picture, but the small scene that you took might be the only one who to get. Ja and awesome are Wallet things that i am joy by return and to the same locations over norwegen is that you have a greater billy to notice to small scenes and two relays when the conditions or unique in want things a special. This is one photo that is on my

24:37 world pages to the lead imagine this small things catedor go with the yellow map police can some might and some rain drops. And it with a seen that i had. Therapeutical orush many time studyers in den when i know is the fall and lewis of from some overnight rain and Ines little impact creators you's all that's with the rain a hid had hit the parcally dry night.

25:03 There is very unaque and so when i saw that i'm new right away. Hey, there's potential here i need the stop right now and enore seleptes photo and about and our to after i shutter photo the moodles dry those leaves hat mit blue away and so that scene had changed only with thin and our so and that usbin 26 when i take that photo in the years of return design iver, you sense I've Never Shining in eating als quiet like that particle our scene. Thats one year things a better this more small scenes is a things change onay evening our really basses and. So much more to explorer interfeind and justice your mentioned it would be very difficult too and i'm have in the same for the somonels just

25:58 for those very reasons. Ja. Ja du, Mike, sag mal, gibt es eigentlich noch Plätze für unseren Workshop? Ja, aber da müsste man jetzt wirklich schon ziemlich schnell sein. Wann und wo ist der noch mal? Sag mal eben. In Hamburg zu Fotopropia am 11.10. 24. Ja, geil, dann machen wir so blaue Stunden und so ein.

26:14 Gedöns ne genau Komposition finden Challenges und ich weiß nicht wollten wir auch Zeitraffer machen oder ja. Kann man machen wo buchen die Leute das ganze denn? Ganz einfach im Link in den Shownotes oder unter www.mikehair.de. Shop. Ja, geil, ok, dann schnell sein und ich würde sagen jetzt Schluss mit Werbung und weiter geht's im Podcast.

26:33 I would like to jump to your youtube channel. Because i would like to know you manch standard in a small centers and a beginning that you started with a channel very long, a go a think. Ja, I think. You one of the first if not even the first of those. Landscape. Youtubers. What really made you film? Experience because the photography you you make themes to be it sees to be quiet or will talk about intemate very private and sharing this to an audience firming yourself themes for me themes little bit.

27:16 Ja, different to the keine photographies so what made you publish film you or journeys? Ja, so. 2009 in in Ecuadors Lead Blocks revery big thing i this so is not with me before youtube with all that big with thing. And, so Block, Juve common and so i stored it going on this solo futurity trips. Wind, the Economy, tog a hid back in twitous than twothousandine. Herr nite, timers walking for a lookal camera shop and backhend when in und lopez or more worry about keep people know hows as apposeed to hey, i want a good bye in expends of camera will's very with a good town at the camera stratours not i love people there side worms to the tick time of work unplate and start goin on the strips and so

28:20 that's that that's when i start it go now my first stripes and i figured here i am gonna do a block and record. Sommodus Experiences. And where i farm with that enough after tripper, so i this i could is us really hard to writing things i had major writers blog it just see like aus writing the same thing over over again su witcher ruater then haven this really long right to tell the story the trip one are all this bring this will pointent shoot the judo camera with me and this records of videos to supply the written part of. And when i just phone that i'm joy, the process of doing the videos for more than right inside just drop the writing all together and start doing just the videos and is far is. I can't tell I'm not a where

29:17 when you wanna who has ben do you not longer then i have there mind be i dist i haven found a mid. It's something that was more so just be cause i had a hard time writing. If you go back to the first video, i put out there is really bad. But it's very bad in a good way. But the style is the similar right. Ja, there there you can seasoning connection sarah and then as the camers got better in terms of like the digital as or camers i can do video and now all that you can filmen look like turn you can have extraalmicrophones for better than.

30:07 That really has change things to the years so hey, my really jo it the process now of do in the videos i think it very common for i love a beauty channels to go about things from a. Education of stand point this is like it tutorial. This is how IM doing this on head do things i have never scene it that way for me, it's aus ben a video journal with is why call them video journales as a post to vlogs or whatever as there been cold, it's ment to be do's the look of my shoulder is I'm working in than shurn my fat so ne process behind it and so my how thing as i don't tell people had a dooting there tell people what do do i just simply sure the process of working i shure the and results and i trade give people little bit of

31:09 tasted experience is for us. The sights, the sounds and everything is the longest lines there. Sound is also a thing you always record very pristine sound of the envermind. Yeah, ja i have they are stereo mikrofone the i used that this. Wind. Experience with this tipe mikrofon for the first time, it's the the road stereo video mike x and i learn that i can be very windy day and you can this records thay and in thousand conditions in new actual git as sound of winds, there pos to bad windshound and so i love it if there's some good audio staff the work with in terms of hater someboards in the distance there sme window trees for me that's with mixed experience, come alive and so. Place.

32:11 Ja. Next question to you, i'm here right now at your bio at youtube channel and you right. No, it's no sponsors, no interruptions as always no clickbait on youtube i don't knot where it that the algorithm is ja discriminating your content where why did you? Ja, youtube this is mike me. Falsch. It's a couting i think i have. Theme older videos the have martisation on theme so i have those old wants to might heise, youtube, this and completely hate me.

32:55 Und personally is that the experience of heavy in the monitoration on youtube it really. Ruin stings for my own persional Perspektive OK because you re where it by turning git is mini eyes on the content is parsible target the addrive new as a post it doing where everlis more genuine and so i think with back into winnie fourteen that i just made the decision to shut off the ads and go with a user supported model, which is now patry on the before that pay.

33:37 In things along nose lines. Because i think at the allowers me to be more genuine as a post to the clickbait game, much is what ever wanted has to do now this in order to to be teuth some degree of success formit, but the fact that youtube this pry doesn t suic just my videos as much as if i had adson here, it's not a beding thing because it this keep things the smaller alas me the flyer rother a little bit a keeps the.

34:13 The negative comments away. People that brother to watch the videos pride do so because say and joy them as a posed to hey here, so when it's Let's teard I'm down in a like can of thing, so it's in a way a bit of my secret weapon in order to make this not become a work because i don't want to feel like work i want to be some think do be casain jo it.

34:40 In anes Resort, i think the that comes to re the videos in people relized there is no ultra modifes here i am night is this not a? Sponsorship also anders, das ist me doing setting. Now you do the wise, but there is happened be video camera there. Ja, you can doing what you like by yourself. Ja, and I'm very a very stever and like that in it works of very well. OK, and how do you make a living out of ovid? You are fulltime landscape photo for or. Ist das der Job or.

35:19 Ja, can you? Ja, also Tony Tony at the shirt a pant demak when at just just before the panther mac our working at the lookal camera store and i had a plant you a be do in futurity full time by the one. I is gradu scale it back the hours my dayjour so had more more time to work come with futures davon aus just are ready to make that transition but thin the pandemicate and then I'm like array wow i get this this this this is my excuse to do this fall time you so as for is income.

35:59 So as just as you are mention you know no know no, it's no sponsorships, it's completely, we re supported, so Patreon. Das World Paypal. Contribution saxi mixer good shock, emine come and then i also have a anywhere portfolio that as a riches ten of my. Saver Prince for the year i make those myself by hand in than Melbourne out a edition of a hundred fifty, which is that more this in really maker miami before it's to be to be big deal.

36:36 I'll so have a seen that i saw whatch out the start do not this pass year zum ebook, so it's a right year things. By the thing is nice about it is a abnor at the mercy. At specials as has happened with a pass, your so if a person mixed to major it do income. We are you too with the adds of doors, a sun change in the with adjourn and allseiten your income drops by 50% over night. It's that's not a great things.

37:12 It's a more stable income well better it also justice really words me for doing what out be do you not aice watch is which is can at nice. Okay that's here right yeah at the world terrary country of. Twenty Four dollars four year to support you. Ja ja, OK, ja. Whats can i funny with a ist so i well before patry and existed i just have. Paypal, das das want here contribution and whenever accountribution come Center.

37:51 I like it into my country nice and it. Thank you e-mail to the person. And there is a watch never people that for tenusional. It all they they they than on board support it me, so it's what i find it they do there's of work strong sens of loyalty met think much of that because is because enough darts no other murders beyond it other dan people just they they en joy what i think purinat they are and they in they wanna support me whish I'm extreme greatfulfour. That's really good that that works. I think that's not that's not the usual. This kind of model works pretty cooked. And i was say that if i was starting from scratch now there is now way it work for me.

38:43 I think are just a matter of at your doors, a door that with open at a particle, a pointing time that i just happened a fine my way through but starting out from sketch now i don't know i don't think about work. One short question you sett you worked in in the camera stories, it right is it like you really you sould camera to people or is it like in backoffice?

39:09 Ja so so, so came a so iwatch to the retail cana. I did all the premise all the Sensor cleanings of thunder thousand this sensor cleanings. So i me its interesting because people what look at. Doing in terms at walking of large for matt in, i think some time is people do brillise that i know i turt turn about didual steffis well.

39:35 I work it all the different camera is in all after setup. So it's working with large for madison this because it's not because I'm not family with lord format is. It is a choice speak as it something that there works for me and i'm amilo rossi now with the littlest digital or friends cause 20. The camera store, but it was a fun ibiza fun experience to see all the very things to the years in i story that I'm back end 2004 so 2000 four für 20 is how long award there. And did you meet some of the audience there that's what i ment with did you sod like we are front in the storm to use cell or recommend.

40:24 And cameras and people maybe set. Oh i know you youtube channel that that happen or is it like really you where the back? Yeah it the more that hard the andivid. Last five years or so that a work that there so yeah it a was curtain, a should thing they us like calvin like the know the day job in in the thing you do on the side and avenger store you know inarrating lilbot more.

40:57 There i was this there. Okay next Christian Root bee du visiting Simon and Death Valley all over a game i think in one of your last video as you mansioned that it was your 15 time to sun in each year so i want to i me not bin to signed of bin to death bready and i think both parks i really ready ready great. Wat i don't know i could go there every year so my Christian would be do never get board never get. Ja.

41:34 About ja, that's the thing about they spraces sign as you know is not a very large nationalpark comparated that valley that wallace huge when even sign there's over me, please is with and a park there i took explore. And so. I don't get tired of going to displaces because every time i gould there. I see something new, whatever it is explore it and new area or just the fact at things change so much rem visit the visit so on on the east side of sign there is a system of warships with this mean wash and all the side canyons and i walk that same wash and walk with the same can can canyons every year yeah, i find so much difference staff just because things change. And then when you that that in

42:26 our, please like that every for example, wear driving through it's through it, you see the main earies you see there's are of send do not something bad lands, there is around something so flat flats. Bye, we dont see as you driven around is the countess number of canyons that some summer watch very fee people ever. Canyons.

42:50 And for me, it's a matter exploring well also ginning to know the look of conditions to there is a might flat. I venture out on two in that valley this here and i phonet interseen pattern in this dry can of salt mouth flat area and i nude that there is a partical or mountain in the background catch on pretty nice light and i also new that a north face in view and that fail it in evenings you see your prertiged chance that if this cloud the light you have a nice sunset.

43:28 So, i got there a couple hours before ups before the light with good and setup in this waiting and as us is filming video you can see it this always, but the high clouds in the sky but not much but than when i came time that like been very good, this want particle cloud just havard over that man in just perfectly why with the complecision. Any wood look is do.

43:54 I just i frame that right tick the photo, but in reality i got AD advanced. I had no clue the sky would do, but i had a hunter what i would do just because i'm sulve your with your with that location and so by Revision inner location you really learn to predictings more and then you can explore more and honor the i can't spin the rest.

44:17 My life in the Place Act sign in Dove Valley all this and the new ever single Time. And you have no phono of. Not other places. I really don't. Ja, OC people triple is a bradar like that's great. I am glide you enjoy and joy that but for me the ould be extreme ly differ cold with we style of the tower of the i do and over things i need to bring along and i would muchhere builder very strong connection with allocation and really it not a location when superhabs take you surface level Fotos.

45:01 Of a please, I'm not family with tonight. Don't have a connection can i know how long it takes the build that sensor connection? Wow, very interesting. Ja. And Earth since you of Fame, i think so on youtube. Do you find more and more people follow following your tracks or. What did you mean do you have your locations not for yourself anymore?

45:32 Change or. Intrum so. De me intrumps of. Piper Finance in the Area ist ein Fotograf. Die Locations. Of Wannabe, ben Horns like me. Our say that. I am very careful about i show and I'm very careful about what i say intrams the location so for example on my every Springer Gone the Backpacking trip to the system of canions and Saturn Utah. I never say the name the Canyon i men of the where is kines of ben and i do not some people that no work is i ben but so because say beneers well.

46:23 That is not from the steam and point of want to make sure it a people in all don't have the same photos me, it's really because it's very easy to. Make a location. Morewell known but a net location or suffhere is a result. And we see this allah when i comes to online stuff and terms of so. Savil years a good thing goes back and Tony nineteen there it's hills along the freeway. In hour of.

47:02 Work this rolling hills of parties there with Bloom in a springt time in just golden orange really really really beautiful and. People are not good good, there are that Tick pictures it sir trample in the flowers and Avengers just create it is hughes mess where the flowers get trample people are pussy pics on instagram with thimin of the all the strand of by the flowers in a really affect of willy destroyed the area just because it was no loved to death. That are after beaten path, which to the early so 3 enjoy moscus yourots away from people and i can concentrate and do my thing.

47:52 Bei der people found out about summa those areals when they would see a lot of more visitation in the vegetation of be trample than you zit graffiti intrashion everything, so that's the main reason i am very particular about what what i say and what i show and. So it Sense, I'm very happy in effect that i can revised someneed place is the life been going to for long time and a don't look any different and for me that is a very positive thing cause out be iuld be very sat to go on eary there to a picture of ten years a good back in just see the his been trash and it this look the same is wants did be cause once in area becomes well known.

48:47 You can take that back. For me, that's that a big thing now will say. Der Inter Bean in Oregonise in Philip it das help and buthers can it of funny experience on my first stripted death valley really or this here. Trip Trips i want this your where after civil days of futurity i decided to go for a bike ride, so I've ivor road bike and i bride a long and as turt because thurses I'm long.

49:20 Wannafour highways he can cycle other and i get to bad water, which is not the lost point in in Nordamerika and it's tipicly so flats, but the bit of the lake create now i right by bike there a walk at the board walker have doesn t people little that took a picture of me witch as no give me my phones take a picture meat there in thein there's wanna the person they are who help and be a personed from the uk who is this in that valley who red action foot who adducty predistd my print portfolio last year here i am in my spandax outfit with my roadbike.

50:03 I'm my faces can of cover thanks for in he rock it nice me right away I'm like how did you recintize we word like but spendics out of fit nevery things, so ist there is that ceile things they was ja i fly in red our pretty cat I'm not a very well no person thankful so. Damals kann er bei mir singen.

50:28 So, you don't mind people reckigness you to say high. Yeah, ja ja, that that's why i aus i wish think that's that's fun. I justink it's just from there perspective very. Intercing to fly away to the us driver with valley. Get out a bet water in the earth door that doodne spandacs there are not i Guy so, so genau.

51:00 Fun i wish for the haven and chair with em ja. You Menschen. The Canyons in so One, Utah I am Way You do really Backpacking. Yes, i wanna how do you mean you have family or wife or some kind of people who like or love you so? If you i mean if you go to sign you you go in the canyon and when you come back sleep in you car probably on the campground that if you go backpacking howdy mick sure that your safe how do you because at of course and those locations which a not well known and you like to keep it that way not getting to work known how do you make sure that you come out alive? The marked question so i carery with me a gourmand in reach mini whitch is asut like hermine cater and so it parised myself on so i can tax my wife all they

51:59 long in the middle of nowhere in real so has is magical, but you can press in like a hill copter shows so. So, it has it's it's a bit of life line an essence. There also say that when i go my trips when a main things is I'm very very careful knight to take any uneneat risks and so when i comes to be now and zumindest places life for example, in insuthern, utah, the two mean reasons a people give them salton, the trouble is a jumping down from the rock in have in some surf and mechanical injury to like a like a lego for something that. And dehydration.

52:45 So if you drink water and if i do jump down things, Chance is a jünger. Biete just find and the night is the for me. The Main reason for haveness satellite messenger is a gives me piece of mind so that when I'm out there in the middle of nowhere, i know the like my wifes okay you know it's care of reverse in away, but that i give me the piece of mind the workout there but it's.

53:16 It is a it's definly a different show it experience on no strips. The sold you does it to me a little bit it times that's why have in part cast the listen to it is nice i been about to message my wife is nice the ultimate to be in a canyon like that to have it all the yourself no dear the only personal have all this wonderful subjects. It is it result and my fever photograph synactually there on the when you go to my website, which is ben honda come the first image that show us and the looks let should i beginne now Stick in wonach das Canyons sagt das Broken cut with tree with someone.

54:01 Whore sense tone behind the resistance really want of subway expectant as Canyons. So The Little bit like a Kids in a Candy Store over night. Ja, ja, ich sag exactly ja ditt. You have any dangerous situations in one of the spectpacking trips. This one and it world a river. And so this with back, i believe it's twenty nineteen.

54:32 So together this one particular canyon are you stodder on top of this one mesure you high there on a ways in then you hike quarter ways in then you drop done against two drops. Apple, the second rabb there is a river there on the witches tipicly more this stream so you can cross that when out high another. I know our so in the Inneres, Another Stream Crossing in Right, Another final Stream Crossing as right be camping adventure before.

55:05 And so the keeping heroes that the fine of dream Crossing is why i do the hike and. Mini Hour Hike sei II Drop then the first slope i hike aways a drop th and second soap i got to the river. It's theme like it a little more than usual, but it's stone proficly crossable da sind dosen give many concerts so i keep going the rush to the way i give to the final river crossing and it this pointer relized is river's flow and more significant ly more than it normaly does and i know thick sachs why tippacle drop down the riverbank. In the water tipply maybe actimations that's the normal heid by give to the area the worers at the cloudy. It's moving faster i got a drop down into it only the fine that the eary word normaly drop and

56:03 not the river haven a roaded and with very deep and then i'm gittin swap the one done court in the river. Big Heavy Parker add in haves life a setup then and so there with a moment of oh this is this. This is not good this is really night good. Adventure your cable to work my way access to the ear where it is a shallwhere bid. Just that sudden thing of I'm in the middle of nove. I'm were in a heavy Pack and I'm sumin in River and i can't feel a bottom and i with also if you are warm day so when i venture did gid the other side i saybit have everything dry out, but that the want time i can't i sense relized to that. There is a website oracing check the river gage and old tell me the exact hide the River.

57:00 I can i can look at that even before story in the hike that that's that see on in time with had a bit of skill experience out. That ok, just it you are very prepared person two. Years. Leave things not to random situations. Yeah us. Plant ja staff stuff can you do this have to be prepared for it? OK, vielleicht nicht that's the that that that that's the being take away.

57:29 Ja, perfekt. OK so that would before our questions we have a small. Thing Witch recalls Speed dating but it's more like this or that where you we are orgest this this or that and without much exponation so out us you five things. OK, canyons our woodlands. Canons. Winter of Fall Fall. For. Burger or Salat?

57:57 Salute Now. Hiking or biking? Haze taff Moin am am. Candy Boy. All do all do high King all the higgin. Okay that's man is out so tough. I think it's sign or every. Sein sein more possible these all they long. Ja OK, when we asked or community for some questions and we got. We got one very well a little bit with subquestions we piced out it's from dennis who ask why is deve very so fascinaty to you do have a favourite, but there and did you he also like staff ready of thing did you photograph lake manly this year and did the rainfords of last summer and this winter make a positive or negativ change to your photography. I can do it turtle that sounds like senslike he's a family with that valley i think for me with

59:08 that valley the thing the i love about it is that moment when you you drive in long start record you get out you close a door in your ears wing from the silence it is it's very unaque please and things happen there on a grien scale i have in terms of the skies and terms of everything is i think for me is es the verse skill the place and a just the unlimited par.

59:38 Der Asforse Lick Manly I did it not taking you photos of with this year and so for those that art family with it. We have the romanance of a hurricane sweep through through the early with the fallis in august and it drops so much rain the salt flat flat it in then there is another strong there came to a better week before my visit addrop devon more rain and sonather is a but there is a better deep lake that will six miles by three miles. Zur very very large, i will sin twenty no ridally to photographet, but than it just us that point to deep. Two work with action with in the licked south because it is hard to juggle everything i enjoy it from a farid mired i from my far i did not taking me photos of

1:00:34 vitalis von the sea suit that that's that but ja that well as a fantastic place a changes so much and a leak that a pierce magicly is as parterwees and white the coldplays. Perfekt. Well, thank you very much ben that was a really belly, nice and interesting and facinating conversation. Thank you for your time.

1:00:58 Ja, Thank you have me. Thanks also for me, ben nice to meet you. Ja, thank you have a one fan more at your youtube channel i like you pictures i like the style very match and yeah was a pleasure to meet you. Ja, das ist von fertigen. Okay so wie Say Goodbye to you in in English Now und then we say cop of would s in german to a audience and then ja Bull talk to you later okay bam.

1:01:26 Thank you very much have a nice day and thank thanks for being on the show. Thank you my God so. Ja, bye Bye. Ja, Mike, was sagst du? Das war doch das war doch mal. Das war nochmal was anderes, das war doch mal richtig inspiriert. Also das ist ja bei allen so ne Oldie. Wir wissen ja mittlerweile, wir können ja eigentlich auch Stunden quatschen, aber war super interessant und ich bin gespannt was ihr da draußen sagt zu der Folge heute. Auch mal wieder auf Englisch.

1:01:51 Wir wissen, dass es vielleicht nicht alle unbedingt immer alles verstehen, es gibt uns aber nicht anders, glaube ich. Also ich verstehe auch nicht immer alles, aber trotzdem ist es sehr, sehr spannend, dass wir einfach auch mal internationale Gäste dabei haben und jetzt gerade sogar aus Übersee hätte ich fast gesagt, also vom anderen Kontinent, also ist es schon sehr, sehr spannend wie ich finde, also ja.

1:02:07 Einfach gut zuhören, da hat er einfach eine sehr gute Art und Weise, sich zu artikulieren. Ja, dann danke Euch fürs dabei sein, für die Zeit, die ihr mit uns verbracht habt, mit beiden und dann würde ich sagen. Bis zum nächsten. Bis zum nächsten Mal. Ciao bye bye bye, bye Biene. Bye Bye. Was?