John Gruber on AI Replacing iPhone in 10 Years, Google vs AI Search in Safari, and Siri at WWDC

Special guest John Gruber (daringfireball.net) joins us to break down Eddy Cue’s statements on AI replacing the iPhone in 10 years, using AI search in Safari, Apple’s continued fight for App Store control, and what we’ll hear about Siri and Apple Intelligence at WWDC 2025.
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Links from the show
• John Gruber at Daring Fireball (daringfireball.net)
• Apple's Eddy Cue: AI Could Replace iPhone in 10 Years - MacRumors (macrumors.com/2025/05/07/eddy-cue-ai-replace-i…)
• Apple is looking at adding Perplexity and other AI search engines to Safari | The Verge (theverge.com/news/662656/apple-ai-search-alter…)
• Apple Q2 2025 results and charts: $95.4B revenue – Six Colors (sixcolors.com/post/2025/05/apple-q2-2025-resul…)
• Apple Asks Court to Pause Order that Would Upend Its US App Store Business - Bloomberg (bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-08/apple-a…)
• Amazon now has a ‘Get book’ button in its iOS Kindle app | The Verge (theverge.com/news/661719/amazon-app-ios-apple-…)
• Spotify Updates iPhone App With Out-of-App Payment Options in U.S. - MacRumors (macrumors.com/2025/05/02/spotify-out-of-app-pa…)
• Patreon will update its iPhone app to sidestep Apple’s payment system | The Verge (theverge.com/news/659754/patreon-update-iphone…)
• Perplexity Made the Siri Apple Promised - YouTube (youtube.com/watch?v=6pQJ3ZyqKBw)
• Man killed in Valley road rage shooting provides own impact statement through AI (abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/chandle…)
• How Tech Can Bring Our Loved Ones to Life After They Die | WSJ - YouTube (youtube.com/watch?v=aRwJEiI1T2M)
• Lego Built 10 Life-Size F1 Cars. Then Drivers Took Them for a Lap at the Miami Grand Prix (inc.com/jason-aten/lego-built-10-life-size-f1-…)

• (00:00) - Intro

• (02:02) - Quark Throwback

• (03:18) - Eddy Cue at Google Trial

• (09:01) - AI Search in Safari

• (15:35) - Siri as Apple's Search Engine

• (26:54) - Apple Losing App Store Control

• (41:03) - Apple Intelligence at WWDC

• (01:00:53) - 3rd Party AI Assistants

• (01:04:17) - AI in the Courtroom

• (01:22:12) - Jason Went to an F1 Race

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