An Oldie, But Still a Goodie: RHOC Recap with Alexis Bellino

0:03 Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

0:40 Alexis I can not so rain Bob.

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1:01 It's amez. Look the stick at least okay, I just isn't in the lines, but it's Arimez.

1:06 Just sare you have it to bro coded.

1:07 So if you're listening to this on audio only, Alexis Janssen has decided to dress up for Emily's fiftieth birthday.

1:17 Party as a golden girl.

1:21 Now, Carlos, what's embarrassing is I decided to do this thirty five minutes ago, and then I had all this in my wardrobe.

1:27 That looks scary.

1:27 I did not Amazon order anything last minute, like for overnight shipment.

1:32 No, this was all in my wardrobe. So I'm scared of myself.

1:37 That's all I want to describe it to the audio listeners.

1:41 She's wearing a white top un with pearls.

1:49 Right, pearl earrings, yes.

1:51 Pearl ear rings and pearl necklace. Not the kind that's X rated.

1:55 Uhmez.

1:56 I mean, at least give a shout out to Termes for my amazing whip color that I chose to.

2:00 First of all, I had no idea because I don't shop there obviously.

2:05 Mate lipstick, Oh honey, yeah they do.

2:09 I don't even did she ask her? The thing is your hair is even?

2:14 Yeah, it's coifed. I did a.

2:21 I was shopping everywhere in my bathroom for a roller. I just wanted a roller to put one roller in. I have no rollers.

2:27 That's the where the only place the outfit is.

2:30 They had no rollers. I like this beauty mark, my old you know old people get you.

2:36 Know marks, beauty marks, and stop, you look good? You look good.

2:41 That the thing is you could have literally fit right into the fifty birthday party. I mean Golden Girl Blanche dever Row would be very proud in terms of what you look like today. So listen, it's gonna be a fun episode kicking things off with this what and just so y'all know rain drops. She surprised me with all of this, which is would I love e Ben more?

3:07 I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. You look good, you look good. I wish I had.

3:14 Something to join you with, but hey, the glasses alone. Lets you guys know I'm over forty.

3:19 Well, I wouldn't ship that you pay to you if I wouldn't known. I just decided to do this thirty five. It was like what eight twenty two.

3:29 It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good.

3:31 So listen, we're here to recap season twenty, episode two of The Royal Housewives of Orange County.

3:39 So Alexis. The episode opens up with Shannon, j Jin and Gina.

3:50 You know, they're exercising, they're launching. This is the way that they get into the episode. Uh, not to start off being a Debbie downer, but you know me, I have the coll thies.

4:05 Aha, I'll see it, so I know, I know, I know you.

4:09 Went off on Heather last week, and I had no idea what I was supposed to do with that. And now who are you going off on right now? What all I know is someone someone's getting laid into right now, and I don't know because of that reaction.

4:22 So I'm just asking. I'm wondering which one it is.

4:25 Well, let me ask you this.

4:26 Did you get any any text or phone calls after our recap last week?

4:33 Well? I always get text some phone calls, Carlos, I what are you? What are you reaching for right now? Yes? I have about Let me tell you what I have right now? To open up.

4:44 I'm gonna, I'm gonna really give you a shocker. John, can't stand this about me?

4:48 Right now?

4:48 I have one hundred and twenty seven texts. No, great, I'm reading that wrong. One hundred and twenty two texts that I have not opened up yet. Look at my right corner right here.

4:57 Uh huh so yeah, oh wow, hold on, hold on, no, I don't lie. Yeah, I have one hundred and twenty two that have not been opened.

5:06 Oh my gosh.

5:07 So yeah, I get text and calls, But what are you? Who are you reaching for right now?

5:12 Have have it reached out to you after our recap last week.

5:16 No, but you really went after her.

5:18 I have been that.

5:19 Oh honey, okay, well we can beg to differ on this one.

5:26 What do you think?

5:29 Well, I'm I kind of froze a lot of that. If you didn't notice, I was like just sitting here going okay, I don't know what, but you got it off your chest. I think you felt lighter. And so now who are we talking about right now?

5:44 This one's not even a bad one, by the way, Okay, it's not.

5:50 What did you think about the whole bungee thing? First of all, I thought it looked fun. I'm going to start positively. I thought it looked fun. I've never heard of it or seen it on Instagram. But now I'm I'm like, well, I kind of want to go do it, you know. So I thought it looked fun, and you're going to burn some calories. You get to boying around as you do it.

6:08 I want a boy No, I think when I should should do that together?

6:12 Last time I'm in in California, I'll take the drive to OC. We will tape our episode live, and we will do it together and do boinging.

6:20 Yes, Okay, well, guess what, I'm turning fifty, so I'm going to have a big party. So we'll do it during that time. You'll come in during I'm also turning fifty. You'll come in during that my party, but we'll do that the day before so that we were good at my party. Okay, okay, an old lady theme for my party.

6:35 By the way, I'm not sure what I'm doing.

6:39 When is your birthday?

6:41 January nineteenth?

6:44 Also why I had a little you know, a little glow up done, and so yeah, we'll hear about that next week.

6:49 We'll be able to contact that. There's lots of things to discuss. Carlos, No, it is the boying. What about that scene?

6:57 I okay, is it just me rain drops?

7:01 Because I don't want to make it seem like I am asking Alexis directly, although she has every right to respond, right, So I'll speak to the rain drops.

7:10 Okay. I'm kind of over the stick of Shannon falling all the time, like I'm kind of I'm just I need some I need some involvement. Nothing and and and the reason why I brought that up is.

7:27 Because it goes into that, it goes into the conversation.

7:31 That she had with Jen and Gina, and I'm.

7:35 Just like, in this moment, I just feel like I haven't seen any growth and was shocked. B I really watched last night saying to myself, wait a second. Shannon has been on the show for a very long time and never been put on Paul's and I just feel like I haven't seen any growth. So I was I was just sick of like, oop, see I feil oo, see I fail. It happened last week. I didn't say anything.

8:02 I didn't say anything last week when it happened when she got off the car with her shape wear and she you know, put on her dress and she slept, and I was like, it's okay, whatever to see again in this episode, I was like, okay, I think the reality gods are like say something. So I'm saying something because I'm getting it off my chest and I feel ten pounds lighter.

8:24 I know you do this and I love this about you. And here you understand, I'm in a no win situation with this because we're doing them to share feelings and emotions about the show we just watched.

8:34 I am in a no win situation.

8:36 Because of obviously where I stand and I'm married to the man of my dreams who happens to have a past with her. But I will say this those who have texted me shower name nameless because I am very loyal to my friends. Several of them texted me after and want my opinion and are asking me exactly what you're saying. They're like, when is she going to get a real life? Like it's like it is. It does feel like she's.

9:01 Trying to do.

9:02 I mean, I'm doing a comedic thing, right and I'm dressed up as an old lady on a podcast.

9:06 So we have to all like take that in strife.

9:09 But I have received several several from several people about like when is this And I'm like, why are you guys venting to me, like I don't even want I don't want to bring up her name number one and number two. It's like, I don't know, but I agree with you. I mean, if I'm being objective, I do think it's time like it was funny, and it is funny if it happens sometimes, if it happens all the time and it's kind of your thing, it's not funny.

9:41 And we're trying to say now.

9:43 And listen, it is what it is, and we'll we'll leave it right there. Listen, we're celebrating twenty years of this amazing show.

9:54 So good, Carlos. They all look good with their little gut ups. I loved everyone. Yeah, a way of expressing elderly, you know older.

10:05 Yeah, yeah, no, no, they'll look good. They all look good. They all look good. I was just like, again, I preserved it last week. It happened again this week, and I'm just like, I'm kind of over it. But moving on from that, the girls that have a conversation about Tamra, Shannon was like, I do not want to talk about her.

10:24 Jen says she does feel like when it comes to Heather, Heather does say things to them behind people's backs. Shannon says, Heather is buddy buddy around you, but she doesn't say anything to your face. So that is one thing they did talk about.

10:49 Jen does feel like Shannon, I'm sorry.

10:51 Jen does feel like Heather expects her to say it.

10:55 No, I've got them wrong.

10:56 Jen feels like Shannon expects her to say things. Her hands clean and that I agree with I think Jen. In my opinion, Jena Gina.

11:11 Are the only.

11:11 Two people outside of the ogs who are coming into this show, like, we want to state the obvious of what's happening, and I appreciate Jen and Gina for at least doing that, especially in this moment.

11:28 I do think that the season is starting off with the women being authentic and calling each other out, but in a kinder way. It's almost like it's almost like, look, I'm tired of all of this happening behind closed doors. Let's just get it out. I appreciate what Jen did because she is, guess what, Carlos moving the show forward, so she is thank you. She the one that is in charge of that this season, because it seems like Tamara is taking this step back, so okay, we're trying.

12:00 It's almost like we're doing a new formula for the same show. You know, it's all the shows all have the same formula. It's just who's going to be which person at this moment or which character. So I actually like it. I think that it does need called out. I think that it is okay to have these open discussions as grown women. I don't think there needs to be napkins thrown and people throwing tables. I think that you can still have a conversation and look, we're still interested.

12:27 I thought this was a great episode. Again, what do you think about this episode?

12:31 Now?

12:32 I thought so two of the thing is this? The thing is this. I agree with you.

12:36 I have been enjoying the last couple of seasons of Orange County because one thing I like about these girls unlike what Beverly Hills does. For example, we're talking about a show centered around people who live in the same state.

12:51 Oh see, calls you out.

12:53 But I do feel like there's a lot of conversations happening at the other Woman that when it comes through the cameras rolling, the energy is shifting because they don't want Alexas and Carlos.

13:08 To say why are you doing this? Why are you doing that? And they're their focus.

13:14 On your head is too big to fit through my door, and they are not giving two shits about us, are talking about us, So you need to stop that right now. Okay, they are not talking about Carlos and Alexis. They are They are creating a TV show that I know you and I don't agree on this, but I'm telling you right now, they do not talk about us or watch us.

13:37 The Raindropes do, and I love them. I love our rain drops, yours.

13:40 I love, I love, I love anybody who watches us.

13:43 Brother, listen, let's listen, Alexis.

13:45 Whether it's scrolling through Instagram, whether it's someone sharing our our our clips, I appreciate it, but I agree with you. I love this show. I am enjoying this season so far. We're only two episodes in, but I do feel like I do want to have the audience applaud jin more. Jen is becoming again one of my favorites because not only is she doing her job I will admit, I will admit this. She's not doing get in a nasty way.

14:18 And that's why to me, it comes across more genuine.

14:22 Isn't that funny that she can do something but still be liked doing the dirty work? Like that's kind of what it looks like is like to me, it's like she's doing dirty work, but it's the dirty work that someone has to do. I mean, that's just the reality of a TV show. Somebody has to be the one to carry the next scene forward, or to call things out that need to be called out. I would didn't always have the balls to do that. I would I would say I would do it then I wouldn't do it.

14:45 I just I'm not that person. I can't be that person.

14:49 Thank you for doing it for decades, and Jin, thank you for doing it this season.

14:54 Yeah yeah, yeah, no, agree, agree, Agree is something I enjoy about.

15:00 And like I said, Jen is doing her.

15:01 Job even when you when you go to Heather and Tamra's one on one scene right where last week what we did see was Jen tel Tamra. Look, Heather talks about you behind your back. She puts you in a box. She puts the friendship in a box, and Tamra left, got her swag and said I'm out of here. And Heather was pretty much perturbed by what Jen just did.

15:26 So in this scene, Heather and Tamra are talking and Heather stances this. She feels like, I can have a problem with your behavior and still reach out to you and talk to you as a friend, which I will say that is true and I will never disagree with that because that is true friendship. But here's my issue, Alexis, and I want to get your thoughts on this. It's not the fact that you can have a problem with what your friend did and and talk about amongst the girls and still check in on her.

16:00 That's not the issue here. The issue is, because I've.

16:03 Watched the show, is the fact that the other girls feel like you say very specific negative things about her, and you lead the conversations, and that is what's weird to them, you know what I mean. Like, it's not the fact that you call out what she's done. You're very specific with your thoughts on her. And that's why I do understand why the ladies feel like she's being two faced.

16:34 Oh well, they haven't used that word before, Carlos. You just used the word, So I see. Here's what's hard for me.

16:45 Okay.

16:47 As much as I want to be such an open book on this podcast and be honest and do all of that, sometimes I do feel like I want to hold back a little bit because I do care about these women, like most of the like like I had a really deep connection with Jen and I get that I'm doing a podcast right now, so some of them can get mad at me for things I've said in my opinions, you know, much like Teddy and temor.

17:07 Why would they they don't want or listen to the to the show it like, Okay.

17:11 If they did, is what I'm saying okay, okay, anyway. But I also feel the same way about Heather. Like Heather and I are going around around a little bit right now. I don't know where I stand with her. Like I told you last week, there's more to unfold on that later this season and then and then you know, tam and I have been through Helen back. But here's the thing is that I don't feel I have to be guarded with Tamra because I feel like Tamra is an open book and is does is not two faced, is not does not care. She she will like when I text her after I do something like you might be mad at what I just said. I don't know I spoke out of turn. I just I think I know you.

17:54 I don't. I don't didn't even ask you about this, but this is my opinion. She's like, I don't give it two shits. She's just like, okay, when can we get coffee? Like it's like, okay, it's no big deal. She rolls it off. Okay. Not all of them are that way, so it's hard for me.

18:07 I always want to hear your opinion, but I do feel as if times in my relationship with Heather, I do feel it was always lip service, and I did not feel a genuineness to some of what she said. She could probably say the same about me. Who knows what she would even want to say about me.

18:25 I don't know.

18:25 Maybe you should call her up and get her on your podcast next might be interesting.

18:30 I think she'd hang up on you after last week.

18:33 She would hit.

18:34 She'd be like Carlos kick.

18:37 Did I tell you what happened at Kathy Hillton's Christmas party?

18:43 Was this the year when I saw you?

18:45 Yeah?

18:46 Okay, what happened?

18:47 But you know she was there, I know, but we hung out, You and I hung out, and then yeah, we hung out, and we all kind of we all kind of meander together.

18:53 I mean, everybody's kind of together. But what happened?

18:56 Okay? So, because Alex says no one on that show since to.

19:00 Our podcast, I was I was speaking to Gina because me and Gina follow each other on Instagram.

19:12 Because one thing I will say about.

19:14 Gina, right, I'm on these things about Gina.

19:19 Okay.

19:19 Gina followed me after she heard me give my opinions about the show, whether it was favorable to her or not. I will give Gina Gina is a a good sport. She's like, Gina's one of those one of those housewives who was like, I'm just happy you're talking about us, Like I don't I find you amusing?

19:41 Right, I don't take the.

19:42 Camera in that way.

19:43 Nothing nothing her, nothing affects her. It's just like everything rolls off. It's a it's kind of a stick, you know. Yeah, you can't let.

19:49 Things bother yous an opinion about a Housewives show. You're there to entertain people, and that's what those two look at. Yes, okay ye.

19:55 Gina laughed When I call her Gina Audman, I'm like, like she she she finds it amusing and that's why I love Gina. So anyways, I'm at the party and me and Gina are conversing because we haven't met in person, and then Emily walks up, and then Gina goes Carlos Emily Carlos, Emily's like, I know you, and I said, you know.

20:23 She was like, look, it's all good, Like it's all good. Right. We hung each old about a good time.

20:29 As we're talking, Oh my gosh, just get you in.

20:33 I'm dying here.

20:34 I'm like, I'm dying.

20:36 Half de Bro walks by.

20:41 As if she wanted to speak to her friends Gina and Emily, And once she saw that they were talking to me, she looked and kept walking, and I said, it's okay, girls, go hang out with Heather de Bro and I would just go back to my corner.

21:00 Are you being a little bit like skeptical here and maybe reading into a situation because I'm not.

21:06 Gonna tell you what I know.

21:07 I'm not because I.

21:08 Have thousands of people, Carlos thousands. So if you really think that she was.

21:13 Doing that on side eyeing you, are you doing.

21:16 That because you're being a little bit of insecure or are you being Let's.

21:21 Just say, I know for a fact she has said my name before in a conversation and.

21:26 She don't like you.

21:27 Yes, this is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

21:35 Let's get back into the show.

21:38 But isn't it funny how everything comes around back around?

21:40 Isn't it weird how it doesn't matter that you live over I'm not going to say the stake because I don't know if everyone knows, yes, you live in the East Coast. I live on the West Coast. But yeah, we can be at a Cathy Hilton party, and everything still comes back to our ears of what people say about us. Yeah, you can really talk about me, but it's going to be back to me from one, two and three. People like they're gonna all come back, can tell me what you said, like, oh my gosh, Carlos.

22:04 Yeah, but my thing is this and I respect it. I'm not tripping off a bit, I think is what you said. There's girls who have the stomach to take a fun critique. We're not here bashing them as mothers, wives, anything personal. You and I only focus on the episodes and we keep it pushing. And that's why I will say on the record, I really really love Gina because Gina is a good sport. Emily was an amazing sport as well. Jen I love obviously. Tamra's like my friends, so like I love her to pieces. And so it's Vickie Ryan, Vickie's back, so listen. It's no shade to you know, the girls. But it's all good and I want everyone to know we're just having fun here.

22:46 It is true, and I love that you said that because I think it's important for everyone to understand, and even the housewives that don't listen to us you know, I'm learning this from you. But if if we do talk about the episode, it is not on your character. It is simply saying what we like her, just like about the episode.

23:02 That's what we're here to do. That's what people are tuning in to listen to, and that's that's kind of just let it roll off.

23:07 You know, all of them are really good humans. I mean, and like you said about Gina, Gina has a good sense of humor, Like that is one thing she's got. She's funny and she can She's got a good sense of humor.

23:17 Yeah, no, I love I love her. Okay, So in this conversation, listen, I thought this, you can tell that Tamra and when I talked about Shannon in the first scene, and I said, it just doesn't seem like she's evolved as much. You can tell in this scene between Tamor and Habit that Tamra is really trying her best not to be not to come across unhanded.

23:43 And she really is looking at Heather like I just don't know.

23:48 If I buy work for selling, but she's but she's doing getting away where she's not coming across defensive or the victim.

23:57 She really I believe this.

23:59 I believe Tamara really does love Heather, and I think they have a history of friendship that Tamra of values. But I think I think in that moment, to me, Tamar realizes what Jen has said is true and she has now put Heather in a box based on that, because what she said in her confessionals was she she feels like Heather is manipulative.

24:32 That's how you pronounced it, Tamra, she feels.

24:35 Like that controlling.

24:37 She changed it to just controlling, that controlling, which I love. She says, she feels like Heather is manipulative and controlling. And then they.

24:47 Did flash back to last year where Heathers said to Tamara, I don't trust you with my feelings and I and I and I think I think it's hard for Tamra to accept that, but I think in that scene she's like accepted it.

25:02 Yeah, I mean I think that.

25:07 I think first of all, watching Tamara on screen, I'm like, I mean, I really do feel like she's growth has growth, you know, like you were speaking of growth earlier in certain castmates, and it's like some people don't grow and some people do. Some people are still stagnant where they were before. Some people are not. They're becoming, you know, they're blossoming a little bit more. I do feel like Tamra is growing and trying to be more like fifty eight, you know, like she even mounster age on this episode.

25:37 And at the same time, she's still trying to work a TV show.

25:41 So both of those can be true, and both of those are hard to do. I think that.

25:46 Tamra is realizing that she may value how the more than Heather values her.

25:52 That's what I feel.

25:54 Yeah, I want to ask you this because one of the many reasons why I love having you on as well is because you were a part of this show, and I think you add so much context that even me, as a producer and our listeners may not get. How hard is it alexis to accept in the moment when you're filming that I really do value this friendship, but I also can't ignore the signs that you may be somebody that views me differently but we have to work together.

26:32 Like is that hard to sort of accept it on the show but shut it off when you stop filming?

26:41 Super hard?

26:42 And the one thing I will tell you is that when I filmed season eighteen, I was unhinged.

26:46 I was very much. I was crying after the end of every episode because it was like that is so much was left out of context and they only showed a certain snippet of me because that was the role I.

26:57 Was playing that season. Had I known that, I would never have signed on. But so that part for me was very hard. But it's almost like what I said season eighteen to the Girls, was am I your TV? And when I was thirty three filming when I started the show at thirty three, Now I'm almost fifty, Carlos, here we are seventeen years later, I'm still doing this biz.

27:17 So the thing is this. The thing is this when it comes to.

27:24 This show and this dynamic between Heather and Tamera, I will go on record by saying this, I don't think Heather has done anything in front of the camera or maybe even behind the scenes that warrants her and Tamera to not be friends. So I do want them to be able to figure it out. And I was pleased that the scene ended with them still being friends.

27:51 Yeah.

27:51 I mean when you think of, okay, that's where we left off when the phone when my computer died.

27:55 But here's the thing. This is what I went into.

27:59 When I was thirty three, I did not, But when I was forty eight in filming or forty seven in filming, I did. I said are you my TV friend? Like I said last season last week with you, Are you my TV friend?

28:10 Or are you my true friend? It's fine.

28:12 I can compartmentalize people also, Carlos, which I think a lot of us do. I think that's a normal thing. I don't think Heather's wrong for doing that. I don't think anybody's wrong for doing that. We're work friends and work associates, or we're really good friends and we're going for a cup of coffee tomorrow morning. That's kind of where I wanted it to be. I feel as if, because of the length of time Tamra and Heather have been working together, they're kind of in a weird spot of yeah, we are friends, but we're more TV friends than real friends.

28:40 I think that's my personal opinion. I don't think that.

28:43 I don't think either of them are calling each other up asking for advice on the fight that they had with our spouses the night before.

28:48 I don't. I think that they are.

28:50 Work associates who have been working historically for a long time together and that creates a bond and a friendship.

29:00 So that's kind of what I feel.

29:01 I could be totally wrong and they can call me out and say whatever, and I'm fine with it. I've got thick skin. You can tell me I'm wrong. But I think that that's where they stand. I also feel like you do gain a respect for people that you work with on this show, because this is not an easy career.

29:14 It's not easy to be a housewife. It's not It looks.

29:17 Glamorous, it looks lovely. It is not freaking easy ort to be a producer.

29:22 And you are too shady. You also it's not easy.

29:25 Now it's it's it's hard. And that's why I give a girls and prompts.

29:29 And again my only, my only critique is you.

29:33 You can't.

29:36 Your friendship cannot be predicated on the response social media has and your behavior.

29:45 Go ahead.

29:46 That is the That is one of the biggest things you've ever said. That is so freaking true. That is so real.

29:52 You're right.

29:52 You can't look at at at at your likes or dislikes or hate or love on social media and think or on the internet any and think, Okay, that's who I am.

30:02 And that's what it's like. You have to be.

30:04 Gina's really good at that, and that's what you have to be like. She doesn't delete.

30:07 Her well I don't know.

30:08 I don't looked at it lately, but I just remember when she first became a housewife. She doesn't delete all her negative stuff. She kind of leaves it. She's just like, Okay, you can hate me all.

30:14 You want, hate away.

30:16 You know, Kim Kardashian doesn't delete her stuff. She looks they hate stay up there, so you gotta let it roll off.

30:22 That's what you said. Good job, Carlos. I love that.

30:24 Thank you.

30:25 I try and again that's why I'm telling you this season, I'm going to call it out this season.

30:30 I really I am loving Jin and Gina. I think their breath of fresh airs.

30:37 I think they really try their best to be neutral in these situations. And that's why I am team Jin so far when it comes to how she is behaving, so you know, so far this season, she's doing a really, really fabulous job. The other person who is doing a fabulous job to me, Alexis is Carmela.

31:00 Oh my gosh, could she not be any better?

31:03 Like, I don't know where she's been hiding all these years, like she should have been on The Housewives, yeah or years ago.

31:09 I love her. I love her, love love No.

31:15 Seriously, kudos to the casting people who cast Carmela.

31:18 Carmela, if you're watching, Welcome to our world.

31:23 We love you. We love you, we love you, we love you. We were able to and this.

31:30 This reminded me of the reason why I love being a part of this franchise as a producer back in the day, because the way they introduced her in the first episode allowed you to sort of be like, hmmm, who is she interesting? Okay, second episode, they follow the recipe that I was taught as a producer of Housewives, which is les lean into her reality to know that she was well, not even was. She is still married to legionary NFL quarterback Jeff Garcia.

32:06 They met when she was Playboy Playmate of the Year.

32:11 A baby, my son's age, my son's age.

32:16 She was a baby when they met, being in Playboy, living at the Playboy MATSI and I love how she may dropped like George Clooney was there.

32:25 Lena rode home with Leonardo DiCaprio.

32:28 I just rode a home in his car with Leonardo, but I didn't bang him, So there we go.

32:32 You know, Okay, between those girls, do we believe that?

32:40 Okay, here's the deal, Carlos, here's the deal. I would not have believed it if I didn't think she's an open book, like because she's been so self deprecating. I'm like, no, the bitch would have owned it. Okay. But if she if she was kind.

32:54 Of like I kind of got a little bit of those shabby like she's got a little you know, let's just say, well of a character like other certain housewives on this season, not owning it and not being true, I would think that she I would have said, she's lying out her left nostril. But I believe her, and I think she's probably like why didn't I?

33:17 That was stupid of me? Why didn't I don't kill bitch?

33:20 Why did you? Actually? You know what?

33:24 You know what she asked?

33:25 Did you kiss him? Did he finger?

33:27 Did he did he anything happened?

33:36 I just need to know what does he taste like? Didt and tongue like? What happened anything? Or did he even get you a cocktail?

33:45 Or did he give you of That word is somewhere did you see it? Did you touch it? Did you grab it?

33:57 We need to p g this ory. Now my kids were kid.

34:00 Here's the here's the first of all.

34:03 I love that you and I buff agreed that because she's such an open book.

34:08 I actually believe that they did not do.

34:09 Anything, because I I don't see why she would admit it.

34:12 She admitted to the lube low thing.

34:15 You know, she admitted to being the playboy mansion she had and she met her you know her.

34:21 I'm sorry, you're not going to be Freddiegel in a Playboy magazine and then lie about.

34:24 Drinking Carlo or yeah, thank you almost like Carlos. Okay, we're not okay wrong.

34:30 Per say Leo. The thing about Leo Leonardo.

34:37 Is such the king of the bachelor's right, Like he's such a Hollywood.

34:43 Bachelor, icon icon bachelor.

34:46 Yes, never been married really no he.

34:51 So he's just had long term relationships with some of these models but never married one.

34:55 Yeah, he wasn't as funs he doesn't mean.

34:59 You don't want to you don't want to have to sign a prenup and you don't want to split your friends. You might as well just keep the girlfriend and not have a wife. Plus he doesn't have children, right, Maybe he snipped himself really young. Maybe he was like, I don't we need a Leonardo junior though, Leonardo, you gotta get on this because you are getting up there in age, buddy, we gotta get come on, you gotta pop a kid out.

35:18 I don't care if it's a girl or a boy, but we need a Leonardo or a leonarda junior. Yes, and I'm going to DM him.

35:34 Look, look, you're visually gorgeous.

35:37 So if I look like, they be like, are you looking for my mom?

35:44 Like?

35:44 What are you? Why are you? Like?

35:47 What's happening here? No, Carmela is such a breath of fresh air. I do believe she did not do anything. The fact that she is still currently married to her strange husband, Jeff Garcia, who she left after she found out he was cheating on her, only to be with this guy named Danny who cheated on her. But she's trying to figure it out with him. She has three kids.

36:13 You could tell she's a great mom because one thing I'll always say to the viewers in order for you to see whether or not these reality starts like good mothers, look at how their kids respond to.

36:25 Them and her girls.

36:27 They have like that fun relationship, and I just I think she's a great, great, great addition.

36:34 I do too, And I feel like, you know, she doesn't. She's not the same like the OC.

36:41 I feel like in any culture, any community you're in, women kind of are the women that are around them, you know what I mean. Like like OC has a definite look, a definite vibe, a definite feel with women.

36:50 Okay, Rhode Island has a definite feel. Jersey has a definite feel. But Carmela doesn't have the OC feel.

36:58 But she's bringing such a coolness and like it's just what we need it, It's what OC needed.

37:05 Like she think she's gonna be a long termer for sure.

37:08 I mean, if she can put up with it, it's it's you know, who knows, because it's it's either love being a housewife or you can't take it and it sucks. So we'll see what she feels like after her first season. But I think she's great.

37:18 No, I think she's really good as well.

37:20 Because even when even when as we go to Emily's birthday party, first of all, everybody dressed up looking the part.

37:30 I love it. I love it when you take a theme and you own it and you go with it. I really do. I mean I know I did not.

37:36 I got a C plus, but this is what was in my wardrobe thirty five minutes ago.

37:39 Thank you.

37:40 Those women did it.

37:42 And I'm like, I would have, like I said, shipped you a two pay and I would have had a white gray wig for myself also, but I didn't decide to do this still less night.

37:51 I loved it.

37:52 The girls were great. They actually, okay, here's the difference, Carlos Vicky actually falling was legit. Yeah, that was a legit fault and it was funny, right, It's funny when it's real and it's like not a stick.

38:05 Yes, that's all.

38:05 That's all.

38:06 And I agree. I thought they all looked good. Vicky.

38:12 Something I feel like something is brewing going to brew this season with Carmela and VICKI cus. When Carmela is discussing to the girls her situation right leaving her husband for cheating on her. They're they're not divorced technically, but they have a great code parenting relationship, but she is with this guy who did cheat on her, and you know, Vicky's sort of like, well, what about the kids. Vickie feels like it seems really weird. She's worried about the kids.

38:50 Vicky did come across a little bit judgmental in this scene. But to me, that's who Vicky is. That's who she is, and that's why we love Vicky. But I do feel like something maybe happening eventually between those two.

39:04 I think you're a million percent correct.

39:06 I think that Vicky. Vicky has an acquired taste. She does not like new grapes.

39:11 She likes the wine that's years old, okay, and Carmela is new.

39:16 She's the new grape. She does not like newcomers. She does not like new people in her It takes a moment for her to like you. That's okay, that's Vicky, and it's I mean, she hasn't. A leopard doesn't change its spots, right or is that the saying okay?

39:29 Whatever?

39:30 Anyway, Vicky is not changing. She is who she is.

39:33 So she'll like Carmela in two years. She's not gonna like her right now because she's a newcomer. She's in Vicky's world period. And you know what, girls, stay true to yourself, Vicky, stay true to yourself because you've brought it for twenty plus years, so we're liking.

39:48 It and I yeah, no, no, have thick skin and just be like, Okay, she'll like me in a year, you know, but there probably is going to be a brew. Well, there was a preview.

39:59 I don't remember it now when I think you're right, I think I saw the preview where they kind of go they kind of have a little beef.

40:08 I see it happening.

40:08 Yeah, it is what it is, because, like you said, the history of Vicky is, Vicky does not like new people. She does it, she does she she doesn't like it. And I thought it was interesting too when when Vicky and Tamra have their one on one and you know, Tamra is venting to VICKI about how they being a surface friend and a people pleaser.

40:31 Uh. Vicky well revealed that have the.

40:36 DeBras here a text saying welcome back to the group.

40:40 I am the leader of the pack.

40:44 I didn't take I didn't think that Heather actually said that. I think what No, I think this is what happened, Vicky said. Vicky said, Heather texts me welcome back to the group, and didn't say I'm the leader of the pack. But Vicky took it.

40:59 That way and she's like, girlfriend, what do you mean, welcome back to the group. Here in my group, Like I started this. You weren't here on season one. You came in on season four girlfriend or five? Like hello, No, I was five.

41:10 Oh, I was even before Heather. Heather.

41:12 It was like season seven, you are away, jump back on that ship.

41:16 You're away, Hey, back take your number. Season one Nope, Season two nope, seas a trick. Nope, she's five likes is nope? Season six season Oh, then there's Heather. I'm seven, that's vere.

41:31 But but but but Carlos, guess.

41:34 Who's there and who's not Heather.

41:37 Sitting over here, and that'll be her comeback bitch. I'm still here though.

41:43 I'll be like, yes you.

41:44 Are, I love you, thank you very much. And I can take one on the I can take it on the coff It's fine.

41:50 No, But I thought I thought that was funny.

41:52 And again it to me, I like, see, I like that because I love it when the women have that common But then of this being like I'm the leader and I think it's fun like I don't.

42:03 Take that kind of stuff. Secretly, I think it's.

42:06 I think it's super, super fun. The party to me was fun. They're at a drag show. Hamburger Mary's is so iconic.

42:14 Who doesn't like your game of bingo?

42:17 It's a drag bingo at that it was I thought I thought it was.

42:22 It was fun. Emily again looks amazing.

42:27 She looks she looks good. So they decide to sit down and once again, kudos to Jin Housewives. If you're listening, follow Jin, follow what Jen is doing. Jin owned up to saying to have a look, it wasn't my place to tell Tamra what you said.

42:53 Like, I'm gonna own it.

42:55 I'm going to bring it up first, and I'm going to admit that, right. Heather response was I appreciate that, thank you, right, because ms manners definitely a knowledge that.

43:09 She, you know, is admitting she was wrong for that.

43:13 Heather goes on to say she spent time and money on her party, and she also includes that in that moment that Jen is the one that keeps asking her about Tamera, which is why she's bringing it up, because Jen is like, if you stop talking about her, I won't have anything to bring back to the group because I do feel like that's what you do, and Heather feels like, no, that's that's not what I do. It just isn't And in that moment to me, to me, to me, it goes back to what I said earlier in the first scene of this episode. Shannon and Gina feel that Heather does this, and I felt that it wasn't fair for to leave jin out to dry because they also feel the same way.

44:06 Yeah, I mean I think that.

44:11 I think that if there's one season that someone has a characteristic or a trait that they are doing for one season, it can go unscale.

44:20 They're untalked about.

44:22 I think if someone has a trait that keeps reoccurring, the women get old, It gets old, and the women get tired of it. And I think that is what is actually happening is everyone's kind of like, why is Heather still talking about everybody but always wants your hands clean? And you know, it's like I've I just it's like, you cannot be Switzerland if you're on a TV show.

44:44 You cannot be friends with everybody all the time, every single day of the week. You've got to be able to have a backbone and say this is what I feel and be able to tell that to the person's face. Like I feel like if I say something behind someone's back, Like let's just say I was talking to Gin and I said something behind one of the other castmates back, I'd say, I'm not saying this about them.

45:03 I would say this to their face, and then I would say it.

45:05 So you better be able to own what you're going to say. And I think if you're always taking the approach of, you know, trying to talk about it, but then like shoving everything under the rug, that's what I think Jen's doing it. She's like, let's pull it out, Like I'm so sick of everything happening behind everyone's back.

45:20 Let's just be an open book and talk about it and then we can, like she said, we can, we can grow from there, like we can build, you know, tear each other down a little bit and get it all out there and then we'll grow from there and it'll be better.

45:33 I think it's necessary to be honest.

45:36 Yeah, Now I do two. I do two, And that's why I appreciate what Jen is doing.

45:40 And Jim is the only one to me that has the guts to do it, but the way she did, and that's why I'm telling Housewives, watch how Jen did is She executed it marvelously in my opinion. She started the conversation by admitting to her being wrong, and then the moment Heather decided to sort of give her a little pushback, her response was, well, just do me a favor and stop talking about her.

46:08 Then I don't talk about her.

46:09 You break her name up, and she's like, and that's why I feel like in that moment, Gina and Shannon should have been like, no, Heather, in Jen's defense.

46:21 And what she's describing, you did do that.

46:24 And I did want Gina and Shannon to at least have gens back in that very specific moment.

46:32 But hey, maybe they will. Maybe they will. Maybe it's gonna unfold a little bit more.

46:37 Yeah, so they made up, which is fine. I want to.

46:41 Get into this, this funny beef between tamer and Emily about the podcast.

46:48 Okay, as you and.

46:50 I, it's like, Okay, who cares if you got a podcast, you got a podcast, it doesn't matter.

46:58 I don't care.

46:59 I don't want to here, and I get that they're I get both sides. I get why did Tamra's saying give me kudos? And Emily saying leave me alone. I get both sides. If I'm being an objective person.

47:11 I do too.

47:12 And this is somebody who owns a podcast, right, so I oh, I'll say this, I'll say this. Okay, So Tamra our print, Tamera has an extremely successful podcast with our print. Teddy Mellacamp called two Teas in a Pot. It is a Manstra's hit.

47:30 Is huge, she said Carlos, I almost follow it right chair.

47:33 And I know this about her because tamer and I do talk all the time, but I didn't know she had one hundred million views.

47:38 Hundred million, Yeah.

47:40 No, it's it.

47:41 They drop approximately five episodes a week and they've been doing this consistently for I want to say, it's been going on for three to four years.

47:51 So well, I know because I'll text Tamra and be like, or I'll call her and she's like on the pod, call you in Tony.

47:57 I mean like she's always on the pod, not pot like I'm on the pod taking a shit on the pod.

48:01 I'm on the pod, on the pod, on the pod. I mean, if I went back and scrolled through, you would laugh. It's always I'm on the pod. It's like okay, well I'm over here. When you're done, just call me back.

48:11 It's a full it's a full time job, and it's really successful because of that. Underneath the two Teas in a Pod umbrella, right, So underneath it, they do have a few different shows, one of them being Traders Recaps, one of them being one about sororities, another one being the Eddies is their husband, and there was one called Legally Brunette that was Shane, Emily's husband, and Emily because they're both lawyers.

48:41 It was underneath the two Teas in a Pod banner.

48:44 So when you when you subscribe or download two Teas in a Pod, you automatically get these episodes of Emily's show automatically, rather than not you hit download, subscribe, you're automatically getting and get on your feed. Right because of that, by default, by default, Legally Brunette is a success due to the fact that it's underneath this umbrella.

49:13 When the girls had a falling out last season, Tamar did say, it's not funny, but whatever. Talmar did say to Emily that.

49:26 Your show flopped the moment you removed it from a two teas banner, which listen, that's subjective, right, was it?

49:34 Did it get as many downloads?

49:36 Absolutely not, because it's not getting your same you know, audience.

49:41 But to say it's a flop, it's all subjective. It's all subjective.

49:45 And that's why what we saw in this episode was Shane and Emily having a photo shoe because they have a new podcast called to Depth, Do Us Part, and it's removed away from Tamra and Teddy's podcast. So in this moment, they're finally face a face addressing get hit on. And the one thing Tamar keeps saying is she feels like Emily never said thank you, and Emily feels like I've always give you props. And in this moment, I agree with you, Alexis. I thought it was petty. I don't care about it, and I do think for me as a game of semantics.

50:25 I agree. But what okay, So let's put you in Tamra's place. You were in Tamra's shoes.

50:31 Do you feel Emily has given kudos to where her birth of it began?

50:38 So, and I'm gonna be very honest because Emily, I'm being honest because I've never heard an episode of Legally Brunette.

50:51 I don't know. I don't. I just don't. I don't know.

50:56 I haven't either, so I can't speak on I.

50:59 Gotta be fair.

50:59 I I just I'm being honest, Guys, I don't know. I don't follow Emily on social media. I don't listen to Emily's interviews when she's promong the show.

51:09 It's no shade to Emily. I love her on the show.

51:11 I just don't follow what she's doing, so I can't say whether or not she has. I do believe her, though, I will say this in her defense.

51:19 I do believe she.

51:23 Has expressed her gratefulness. And that's why, to me is a game of semantics. I think I think Tamra is more so saying thank you, thank you for giving me this opportunity, and I don't think Emily has maybe have said that, but I think Emily has definitely alluded to her being appreciative of the opportunity.

51:44 Does that make sense?

51:45 Yeah, okay, what do you think? I don't personally feel and I haven't. I haven't heard.

51:53 I haven't heard or watched anything of Emily and Shane before till Death to Us part might be, you know, it's kind of like the you know when you say you're ten year vows and then you get divorced the next day, so be careful with that. But I feel like I have not heard Emily say sincerely, thank you Tamra for that. I also feel like tam should just back off a little and be like, who cares. It's like, it's kind of like, you know, you don't give the homeless person ten dollars so that you get a good big I thank you and go preach to the world that you just gave the homeless person on the side of the.

52:27 Corner ten dollars.

52:28 Like you just don't you just you just show your kids the way you should walk, and then there you go. You know who's got a granola bar, Let's give it to them. You don't broast about it, you don't talk about it, You just do it. You just live in the moment. I kind of wish Hama would just take that approach and just be like, look, I gave you a nugget. You're welcome for the morsel. Glad that you have a spin off now or whatever. I don't know what you call the podcast thing when you go into another one, but mm hmm, you know so, I said That's why I said I could see both sides.

52:52 Yeah, for sure, and I appreciated that Tamra said, you do have a successful podcast.

52:58 So I think the thing is this.

52:59 I think Emily won acknowledgement that her podcast is a success with the without Tamara and Teddy's podcast, and I think Tama want to go thank you.

53:08 So I agree with you. I see both sides. I think we.

53:12 May not ever bring it up again. Can they just not talk about it anymore? Please? Please?

53:16 Heather? And I'm sorry Tamra and Emily if we are listening to this, which Carlos seems to think you are, and I think you are not. If you are, please let's just drop it and not bring up the freaking podcast ever again. Just go do your thing, Go work, Like VICKI would say, got a.

53:33 Lark, go to work and stop talking about it. Put a top rawmen in our mouths. Okay, go to work.

53:41 Okay.

53:42 Last thing, speaking of Vicky, have you noticed Vicky's annoyance when it comes to the petty arguments and and do you think I will say this, there was a moment when it was Jen and Heather when they were going through their situation and if you saw Vicky brulling.

54:03 Her eyes and side.

54:05 Talking to Tamra. Do you think that can last beyond this season? Because that's what this show is about. So it did make me think, like, huh, how long can Vicky be subjected to these petty arguments without it feeling like, Okay, Vicky, this is the show that we like to watch.

54:33 Either deal with it or get out of it.

54:35 Okay.

54:36 So it's so funny that you're saying this because I didn't know we were going to go here, but I had the same I had almost one of like the same thought in my mind. I was kind of like, because she's been gone for so long, I thought it was two years because she's still be done cameos and all that you said, you and Spencer found it was six years she's been because she's been so removed. It's kind of the show has changed. It is not the same animal it was when we were on a decade ago.

55:01 It has evolved. It has become a new animal, okay.

55:04 And I think that it is kind of like, okay, either Vicky is going to be falling asleep at the table, like I'm over all these women like she did?

55:11 You know?

55:11 On season seven, or six whatever that was. She's falling asleep but everyone talking, or she's going to rally and come out.

55:17 But here's the thing.

55:19 The thing you can't change about Vicky is Vicky is Vicky, and she does not put.

55:22 On an act.

55:23 She is.

55:24 She doesn't hide her emotions. She's very authentic, which not everyone is. And she's not Switzerland. She's got an opinion. So it's like, I love I love Vicky, and I just feel like, no matter what, even if she does kind of have this little spur right now about like I don't like all the pettiness, she's gonna realize this is the TV show. So do you want to come back next season or not? I mean, if there is a season twenty one and she'll she'll figure it out.

55:51 I'm excited to see where she goes, though, because I do agree with you. I agree that she's over it already. And it's like, okay, this, honey, this is only episode two.

55:59 That's mom, like, what's gonna happen? But my advice would be this.

56:03 My advice to Vicky would be this, And I know it's too late because the show has already been shot, but some next season, my advice.

56:10 Would be.

56:13 Instead of rolling the eyes and falling asleep. I would definitely insert myself and try to figure out a resolve, like if you feel like this is stupid, call out that as stupid, but also try to get both the women to resolve it by calling out the truth.

56:33 I can't wait for the rest of this stuff. Do We don't how many episodes there are, Carlos on the.

56:37 Side, I don't, but I know it's more on this average. On average, OC gets around fourteen.

56:44 Okay, last season was a lot more, by the way, but deserving these. Yeah, right, so I'm hoping there's twelve, but I'm like, we still have like at least ten more to unpack, and like I hope that Vicky does get a little bit more of a voice.

56:58 Like we said, she's been gone for six years.

57:00 She's probably just getting her feet wet again, figuring out the way that that worked, you know, the whole way it works.

57:05 She did say on Watch What Happens Live?

57:06 Let me remind you last few week she I watched Watch What Happens Live, and she did call Andy Cohen out and say, Andy, I don't like how things are so much more like like we used to just fill our real lives and and everything's more calculated or something like that. She's just like, I don't like that, Andy, and He's like, but VICKI, I think that we really did change that this season.

57:26 I think that we really are trying to get back to that.

57:28 And I just love that because I was like, whoa, you just called out Andy Cohen.

57:32 That's that. Excuse me, that's your boss. That's your boss. I don't if you know that, but you might forgot that, VICKI. But he's one that writes your you know, Paig, Paig you So I don't know, but it was awesome because it was kind of true.

57:45 It's like she's just like, it's just a different it's just a different formula.

57:49 Now.

57:50 It is it is, it is.

57:51 And hey, listen, I'm gonna go on records saying I agree with Vicky.

57:56 I agree with him.

57:57 I agree too. And that's why I'm loving the season twenty so much more. I really am loving it.

58:01 So yeah, yeah, I want to see less calculation. I want to see more in the moment. I want to see more, and that's why I listen, We'll see what happens between Shannon and.

58:10 Tamra, Vicky and Vicky and Carmela. We know that that's probably gonna be something coming up.

58:16 Yeah, and I.

58:17 Can't wait to see that because because Carmela strikes me as somebody who doesn't came back.

58:22 Baby in the corner.

58:23 Ah, agreed, it's not going to happen.

58:27 But no again, another great episode, another great one. Okay, oh see, you're coming off strong.

58:34 So Alexis, you and I will be back next week to recap episode three of the Real housewa washer Ors County and rain Drops. Let us know you're in our comments.

58:42 What your thoughts are on this episode, but most importantly, what are your thoughts.

58:46 On the newbie Carmela. Do you love her.

58:48 The way Alexis and I do? Yes, the comments and Alexis, I like to know, we like to know.

58:55 Let us all right, I'll see you next week, My love you, my Baby. Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

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