Part TWO Much to Handle! | RHOA Reunion Recap with Dustin, Claudia & Blue

0:03 Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

0:07 I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. All right, but time has come for us to get into the latest episode, Part two, reunion of the Real Housewives of Atlanta.

0:47 Which listened there.

0:55 Kelly was activated.

0:57 Oh we're going there.

0:59 Oh, Dustin, my brother, Damn you know what, Dustin, Let's fucking go.

1:09 Okay, let's go.

1:11 The reason why everybody loves watching this show, and I want to I want to start by saying this before I let Dustin Ross cook. Thank you all who have been watching this. Thank you all who have been supporting this show. Thank you all who have talked about it, tweeted about it, who look forward to watching it. Thank you to all of my my, my loves and the Bahamas like this means the world to me.

1:34 Thank you.

1:34 Bravo for you know, allowing the girls to come on podcast, for all those things. Thank you for the girls who come on my podcast. I appreciate it all. I love it. I absolutely love it. I know we all do. But In Dustin Ross, Boyce, Kelly, and I'm I'm gonna let Dustin cook. But I gotta say this, my opinion this this part too. Last week Part two belonged to Porsche and che Michelle. I thought they both owned it and were the stars of Part one to Me, Part one to me, Part two Kelly and Phedra Congratulations and happy Birthday Doesn't Cook You?

2:17 And one is co mingling of the titles every time, I'm like yes and then no, yes and no right but but but but had some good moments. Showed up And I will say this about every single woman on that stage. They all showed up. They all quote unquote clocked in, they all participated. Every single lady on that stage participated and had something to contribute that I want to be clear on. This was a great reunion. So far, Parts one and two have been incredible. I feel like this cast has real chemistry, real drama, real beasts, real stories.

3:03 This is what we want. That being said, We're gonna give an honorable mention to none other than Kelly Potter because whether or not we agree with her, whether or not we agree with what she was saying, Kelly was she kept putting quarters in the machine. She kept putting quarters in the machine every chance she got. She kept activating the entire stage. They'd be talking about something, she would be asked for her opinion, and then loop everybody else in naming names starting shit. Her and Porsche make incredible partners, your adversaries, they do. They make incredible adversaries.

3:43 Kelly is willing to go there. Porsche has been pushed to a point now where she's willing to go there. These are real grievances. And I thought Kelly had an outstanding reunion. I thought Porscha had an outstanding reunion. I thought Drew had a great reunion. I thought Phedro had a great reunion. Pinky has consistently made me laugh. Pinky is funny. The way Pinky opens her eyes and looks when she's saying stuff is funny. She adds humor at the perfect time. This was a great reunion. When Kelly said we can do it all season, all season and Porscha said, We're going to hell season because Porsche played nice Season sixteen, Porscha played nice season seventeen. Season eighteen, Porsche is going Porscha and Kelly are going to have

4:32 the red wedding from Game of Thrones. And when I tell you, I cannot wait. We have waited for this. We have waited for the stories to mature and jest state to a point where they are now robust and have real deal circumstances and occurrences that have led us to conclusions. People are firmly convicted in their positioning on things, and we can now play ball. So Greve reunion. Kelly got an there and did what she had to do, and I think it was something in them pearls. I don't know if it was like a little shock ride or something, but someone was in them pearls because she kept doing like this or she would be going off on motherfuckers. Listen. It was great, Porsche because Shemiah and k Michelle the fuck out incredible reunion. K Michelle explained

5:21 some context behind things. Yes, some of the information was a bit redundant and lack luster, but she had an explanation that made things make sense. We can finally make sense of the mysteries we had surrounding Ky Michelle and she had something to say. She was great on the reunion. Phedro was great on the reunion. I was thoroughly impressed overall.

5:44 And whether you agree with one person or the other, that was a good fucking reunion. And Kelly got down and Porscha got down. It was great. Jezbin Yo, mama is a They was like going there.

5:57 You say your mama was a Jezebel my daddy. Yeah, it was a lot, It was a lot. No, it was good.

6:03 It was good.

6:03 Before we begin to the specifics, Blue, who was your all star or all stars? You could choose more than one, But who would you give the crown in terms of the.

6:14 Best Housewife Part two reunion, A war goes to I.

6:18 Honestly think the people who pleasant not I wanna say, surprised me. And then the people who spoke up in the way that was needed to speak up were probably Kelly, Porsche and Faguer. Funny enough, yeah, because there are moments where I had completely I was starting to get annoyed with Fager's presence, and I think Faedri watched back and realized she dialed it down too much, and she turned it back up, and I finally got a glimpse of the fas that I missed agree with her or not.

6:47 I finally, as a business person, there were some things that Pinky said about business that were not actually factually thirty kye were fourteen things. Did you scale too fast? And that's actually bad business? But though I like that, Phaedra was literally, they're saying, baby, I've been doing this self funded for twenty years, you had help for eight and could cut it. Maybe you should listen to me and stop taking jobs at me. Phaeder to me showed her value shouts of the entrepreneurs who understood that conversation on a granular level outside of the optics of the theatrics.

7:17 On a granular level, Phaedra ran circles around Pinky while talking about business scaling too fast and not giving your investors their money back is actually not good business and it's not a tool. Right, And fad said again, Fare's house is paid off. And even though Fadra has some scamming in her, you know, I'm the first one to point that out.

7:36 She reminded me.

7:38 I know, right, Faedra even though she got a little scamming in her and Bobby Brown got a little, you know, a little shout out, so I know, line not line. She reminded me of her legitimate side that I tend to forget about. Oh yeah, you do be doing stuff like legitimate, Leo.

7:58 Dog do you remind us? Is crazy?

8:06 I forgot that you'd be doing like I'm gonna have to give it to you. You you read your resume off in a way that was needed because we were starting to forget because you weren't saying much.

8:17 This is the best Phagres ever looked. Dress was gorgeous. Have my little things Sir Algernon's dress from the image Wars, but hers was even like. Her dress was modern pretty, the hair was right right. I gotta get props where props are given.

8:37 She just.

8:39 Really good.

8:40 This is the best.

8:40 I think this is the best she's ever looked. With that being said Kelly one thousand, MVP of the Show, of the episode. Because she was handling multiple incoming for most people and if not, you know rock with Kelly, she was jumping in other people's business, had nothing to do with her. She was like, oh yeah, and you she was bringing people in that had nothing to do with stuff and making She was making everybody work. She really was, and I like that. I liked that for her, and also I was pleasantly surprised by Pinky waking it up as well, even though the same was crazy, like when she said, I don't know if she misspoke when she said twenty to thirty.

9:20 I was years, are you crazy?

9:22 Yeah, you better go get work for TGIF because that's what we were getting.

9:29 I'm like, I was like, wait, what.

9:33 My baseball? Yes, so yeah, I thought she misspoke with that, but I did like to see her wake it on up, Like I thought she woke it up, which was good, and I like that. I thought they those two did really good. I mean they all did great, Like there was no sleepers on the episode. They all work. But what I ain't gonna lie y'all ending the season with them kind of coomb by eye for the most part, and then the reunion to be so like, well, I guess that's what were you in the four But it was like, God, damn, shut the fuck.

10:05 Up, y'all, snooze fest. I'm sorry.

10:10 Yeah, yeah, album Dustin. I think for me, it really did show that these eight women have chemistry, so I wasn't mad at it, but I want to get into what happened first. So what we learned in the beginning of part two, guys, was there is something brooming between Sami and Kim Michelle drew the door asked a question, which was what was Shmiah's intentions? Telling Kim Michelle that the women did not want her to be friends with the rest of the group, Shamia made it very clear that, look, she is friends with the Atlanta girls and listen, this is the month in my live and I'm gonna say the names because I can so in case you been living.

10:56 On the rock.

10:57 Shamia is friends with Candy, Toya Johnson, and Rashida Frost. Ky Michelle and Rashieda Frost do not get along since ever since Love and Hip Hop Season one, Oya is any because Toyo Johnson used to be married to Min fitts Kiy Michelle made allegations against Smith Fitz. Rashida told kay Michelle if she asked her whether or not she made it up. Obviously that pissed ky Michelle off rightfully so, and they just never got a long since Shemiah is friends with those three women, Candy is one of her closest friends, and that's the sort of conversation that they were having. In terms of ky Michelle feeling like Shemiah always mentioned that I can't be friends with you because of these girls.

11:47 That I'm really, really, really close to. Portia intercepted and said that it felt like intimidation and manipulation started with you, Blue. What were your thoughts about all of that.

11:59 Do you think think ky Michelle was telling the truth about the many times to me allegedly kept saying I can't be friends, I can't be so close to you because of who I'm friends with.

12:10 And do you think Porscha was being sincere or was that trying to drop a wedge between Shmiah and Kay.

12:18 Well, I think that's an excellent question, and I also think the intention is an a gay impact. You can unintentionally be manipulative. Just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not happening, right, And I do think that if I'm going to be on a show where my job is to be in community with other women, whether I like them or not, but to engage with other women, and you are constantly throwing it to Kay Michelle's partn't love Chmishelle on the truth, but Camochelle's version is you kept on reminding me that I was beholden to you X, Y, and Z because these girls don't like me. It does make things heavy for someone. I'm the kind of girl where if I'm on a show and I have a friend who's coming on that show and her job is

12:56 to engage with the girls and have her own moment, it's not real life. We could just ignore somebody and go to the other side of the room. I'm gonna say, girl, I don't fulck with her, but I'm gonna let you see for yourself. I'm that kind of person, right, So it is heavy handed if you mentioned more than once the hierarchy, because it starts to feel like virtue signaling that if I decide to have my own fresh relationship with them outside of whatever y'all got going on, it's my literal job to do. So I'm a bad friend, you know. I feel a way when somebody weaponized being a good friend versus a bad friend to rob people of their autonomy. So I do believe whether SHEMI a mented or not, I don't think she Meia meant it.

13:31 I don't think Shemia was saying I'm about to make an alliance. I think Shemia just felt so othered and misunderstood that she laid it on thicker than she realized and came. Michelle rightfully felt like it was too heavy handed. And it's possible that they're both telling me too. I don't think either one of them has to lie in this scenario, because it's a perspective thing, right. I can say to Claudia, Claudia, I don't mess with Denise, and I know that you're doing a show with Denise, but you you know, remember that I'm your friend. Clauda's gonna be like, bitch, I still need to do my job.

14:00 I still have to work with Denise. Let me figure out for myself. I'm gonna have your back and she says anything crazy about you, but let me figure it out for myself. So I think they're both okay. I think it's okay to feel a way about your friends getting cool with someone that you feel has this honored you, And it's also okay to want to see for yourself, especially when it's your fucking job. So for once, I think both Shamia and kay Michelle had valid points, they were just coming at it differently. I do faulk k Michelle though, for not being more open with Shemiah about how much she didn't like it, because Shemiah seems like she cares a lot about her friendships. I think if Kay had told her, Hey, I feel a way that

14:34 you're making me feel like you're pitying me by being my friend, Sami was like, oh my god, I didn't mean that, and she might of course corrected. So I think they're both right, and they both had a missed opportunity to be transparent. I actually don't see any bad guys in this scenario. I think it was just a differensive opinion.

14:48 Claudia.

14:51 It's hard for me to keep up with where came Michelle's coming from. And I would be nervous in that kind of friendship, like we're good, then we're not good good, we're not good, Like it just seems like she's very she's very in her head. Yeah, and I don't know if it's spits in her head it's actually matching what's really happening outside of her head, you know. And I would be so frustrated, like it's hard to be friends with someone like that, because I really feel like Samia was thrown off guard at the reunion, like wait, wait, what what happened? Like I didn't know we was like it was like that bad and that's it's hard to have friendships like that. But then again, came a show feels deeply how she feels. But I don't envy the

15:32 position that either one of them are in. It sucks when you got to like rock over here with people that someone in your real life doesn't like, and you got to like keep everybody happy, like I gotta. I don't want to like make my friends in my real life feel a way that I'm being too much over here, But then I want the people I work with to It's a hard thing to bounce. It's impossible, actually, it really is, And it's actually not fair to Shamiah. It really isn't like that is a hard place to be in, Like you can't someone's gonna be mad on either side your real friends that you rock with all the people you work with, and as you see, we're seeing I don't know how our real friends feel, but I'm sure

16:08 they're not really happy. When she has a positive scene with the people that they hate. Imagine you gotta deal with that. Someone's like a man be between like his mother and his wife not liking each other, and it's like you want to be loyal as a boat, but you kind of can't. Got to pick a side.

16:21 Claudia, who do you think put that pressure on her? Do you think that Candy and the girls put that pressure on her? Or shouldn't have put that pressure on herself? Like what do you think that desires?

16:30 I don't think Candy is like Candy don't seem to me to be the person that's like you need to do it. I think is the people pleaser and doesn't want people to be mad at her. That's what I think as an outside looking in and listen, I don't talk to the girls. Y'all think got me talking to the girls? Like me and Kenny we talked like a couple of times, like twice. Actually I talked to half the cast here and there. If you want to keep it a buck okay, because they call, we'd be talking okay, but not like that, not a lot. But I just feel like Shemia seems like I mean, you see so in a friendship with Portia, she's a people pleaser. She'll act her own detriment. She will like sacrifice how she feels about something to make people feel good about that,

17:10 like to feel good about things. For the most part. I mean, she has beat for some folks, but it does feel like she's probably they're probably having asking her to do that, and she's just doing it herself. That's what I think with sucks which.

17:22 Same we'll think about a Clauda. I think what we just said together, right, you have a people pleaser who wants everybody to be happy, and then you have a girl who wants you to read her mind. Now guaranteed to have a miscommunication because doctic combination.

17:35 Yes, I would not want to be in her position.

17:38 Yeah, I feel a little differently about it myself. I understand what, like what Claudia just explained, but I'm so sorry. I'm a grown ass man and everybody needs to grow the fuck up. Everybody involved is over forty, everybody involved needs to be mature. What kind of fucking world are we living in where I can't be I can't because you don't like them, and I can't And Shamia is at work on a case that's with this girl. They're an adults k Michelle too. They all need to grow up when it comes to this. The whatever beef is coming from love and hip hop seemed like Ca Michelle wants to get away from all of that stigma and that story being attached to her. She's made great strides in her career. Why is she now bringing those beefs

18:19 into this show and making that a part of this universe. I think everybody needs to grow up. Ca Michelle's very real relationship issues with Candy Burris and Toya Drushing and Monica and who else Carlos am I forgetting and Rashida front that has nothing to do with the Real Housewives of Atlanta, And so Shamiah shouldn't make it an issue.

18:45 Nobody should make Shamia feel funny about working with ky Michelle. They should be able to work and coexist peacefully. Ky Michelle shouldn't make it an issue with Shamiah regarding her friendships with the mother Ladies. Everybody needs to grow the fuck up and be mature. And while yes, it may be a difficult position to be in and it's not the easiest to be in, it's a lot of other bigger, more serious fish to fry in life and motherfuckers need to grow up and get over it. Be an adult, be mature, and everybody just keep it abut like we have to work together. They had beef that they ain't did nothing to each other. SMI is not betraying the loyalty that she has I'm sure to Candy and Rashida and Toya and them by working with Kamishill in the show.

19:28 And I don't believe that making her feel like she does. I think Ca Mischelle has unfinished business with those ladies on her mind, and this is her way of kind of finding some closer, which I can actually understand, but it's just the wrong way to achieve it. But as far as like them having to work together, grow the fuck up. Everybody's an adult, act like an adult.

19:49 Yeah, And FEMA friendships are so pricking, so delicate, it don't take much for it to go left, and even with the closers front. Like, honestly, that's one thing I do hate about women's friendships versus men's. And I know I'm generalizing, to please bear with me, fellas and ladies in the comments. It ain't I know, it's not a one hundred percent thing, But for the it's I've seen female friendships like I think I reposted something the other day like as far as like women, the stuff they'll put up with, like all the violations over and over and over from a man, but a woman, like one of their female friends does the smallest thing that can be interpreted as the disloyalty or you know, a slight and it's over, and it's like it's like we're vicious

20:29 with each other, but with men so much grace. And you see that because like every one of these women have put up with some shit from a man that could be something that you could walk away from, but let their friend do one little thing or two little things. It's a rap And I hate that. That's one thing I do hate about women's our nature and we probably a lot of us have been guilty of that. I probably have. I can say that as well. That's something that it's when female friendships are so delicate.

20:57 This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos, let's get back into the show.

21:03 Yeah, the thing that was so sad to me.

21:06 Look, I believe that Shemiah and came and she believe had a good friendship, and I do believe that they were trying to build on something I do also believe, and I could be the minority in this.

21:20 I do believe that.

21:21 Unfortunately, as we've seen this season. That's why I'm saying this. The outside noise to me is what infiltrated both parties. Yeah, I believe that we saw came and show break down in Dallas because somebody told her something.

21:35 And I said, look, I do believe the voice.

21:41 I just have forgot. I thought about that scene when she dropped the fork and said no, and Angela was like, oh that Yeah, I just thought about that moment. That's what I started laughing. Forgive me doing.

21:52 Quote is because we don't know what that something is, right, Like, we don't know what it was.

21:56 I do believe someone told her that, and I even said, like, I don't think Ki Mischelle made it up. I won thousand percent believe somebody told her that. But unfortunately that railroaded her opportunity at that time to get to know these ladies. I do believe, whether it's whether Shemiah was told or whether it's self induced, We're gonna have a real conversation about the girls in Atlanta. And look, I will say this on the record, there is a clique in Atlanta. It exists, Claudia, you were there for a minute.

22:33 It does exist. It does exist. It's not this made up thing. It one thousand percent exists.

22:40 And what does exist is conversations about things, whether it's make.

22:48 Sure this doesn't happen or that happens. It does exist. And I'm not gonna sit up here and act like all.

22:53 Of these women in Atlanta are mature. And they don't have sidebars at No Boo, the Waldoffer story. They don't hang out at dinners, they don't have meetings, they don't go to each other's house and we're matching pajamas with the ring light, and they don't.

23:08 Sit up here and do all of these. And then once they're done doing that, and they toasted the girls weekend and they're saying happy Birthday, and they got the rose voice outside brought off the African It does happen. It does happen. No, no, no, it does happen. So we ain't gonna act like it not. I'm not saying to you guys, that does happen.

23:32 Well, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having those matching pajama parties with the silk pjs and and all of that, and drink and taking pictures with the ring light. What I am saying is in those settings, I'm telling y'all one hundred and forty five percent. Whenever you see a group of girls like we talked about with Neca, Toya, Butch Harris, doctor Simone, who think them?

24:01 Sorry, I'm saying, I need to look around.

24:06 I want to be educated.

24:08 Okay, spoiler alert. When y'all see a bunch of reality girlies polls in at a table, they ply they plying, they have a conversation. They're talking about the girls.

24:25 Okay, but so what if you're with your friends, We we gonna have a private conversation when we get together type shit. You know what I'm saying. That does not mean that we're mean people and we're excluding other people. And also, if you've elected to be in a beef with somebody, right, why would you then have an expectation of being received well by them and their friends? You know what I'm saying. I don't think that there is that should be a shock or a surprise, Like why are they then vilified for not wonder? Fuck with you?

24:56 If you willing to beef with them like it just That's what I mean when I say everybody just needs to like take value and just keep it moving. You know what I'm saying.

25:05 I agree, And it's important. Is like very popular in Atlanta, Like and this is in no shady way at all, Like she's still friends with a lot of girls on those in that circle. Isn't she friends with a lot of like some of those girls as well. Yes, yes, so like they're able to coexist and it's all good. Like I think some of this is making it harder than needs to be. Really honestly, I ask you.

25:30 A question about about Atlanta because I'm actually knew to this. I've only been like three times in my life. You can't for people's money though, this is a job, can we? This is a job? And so for me, if somebody has a job and they're getting a coin and they're coming on a show and my homegirl tells tells me anything that impedes my money to me, you were, Now why are you fuck with my money? You You've been on the reality show. You understand this game. I'm coming about that.

25:57 Hey listen, And I'm just like I know what I'm saying.

26:01 Any of your money if any of you, I would never fuck with your money.

26:06 You know what I'm saying, I just live alone alone.

26:09 We've grown the record.

26:11 I gotta go. I've been drinking ahead.

26:16 We saw.

26:17 What what I'm saying is this, I'm saying that what happens more than y'all think, okay, is I'm not saying anybody gave Shami an ultimatum.

26:30 I will.

26:31 I would bet the farm that no one did. So I'm gonna go on record saying that.

26:35 What I am saying, though, if you are Shamia and these are your friends, you know that earlier is self induced.

26:44 They conversation she she could be prevy to, and it is.

26:49 It is uncomfortable for Shemia. But in the same breath, it's uncomfortable for Kay Michelle. If I'm entering this space where and this is how she feels, and and I'm not saying this is how it is.

27:01 Ky Michelle feels that these are the mean girls Atlanta. That's how she feels.

27:05 If I'm k Michelle and I'm entering a friendship with somebody that's a part of in Ky Michelle's mind, the mean girls. All I'm saying is I understand both Ky Michelle and Shamia of this weird friendship, which is why it's no surprise the only person they have in common now is Kelly.

27:25 And that's why when they were having dinner at the friend.

27:32 Yeah, so it's still skewed. I'm taking Kim Michelle's side in this and that if I'm new here and you have all this baggage or relationship or whatever. But other people give me a chance to get my own footing exactly, a chance to figure out my own shit outside of your ship. So for once, I'm giving Kim Michelle some bail.

27:50 She makes sense on that point.

27:52 But this is the reason why the fight almost happened so allegedly. Allegedly when they were at.

27:59 Wait, did I say.

28:02 You got the pen friend? You had a couple of.

28:04 They got good food there. It's very nice.

28:07 On Sunday reunion, you said today, Hey, I'm the Queen of Atlanta. Son.

28:23 So they had a dinner and and it was Smia, Kelly, came, Michelle and some mother whatever.

28:34 And after reunion we did learn that way.

28:37 Wait, wait, there were more people at that dinner than Shemia, Kelly and k Mischelle.

28:46 Carls is spilling tea unintentionally go ahead.

28:50 Allegedly, Okay, were you there?

28:55 Right? Were you there?

28:56 For? You slip and say, Carlos, No, here's the deal.

29:01 It's the reason why I go hang out with nobody. I'm at home having a good old basilone time. I'm on my business. I don't bother nobody because I don't like.

29:13 A good old.

29:15 You have never seen me Kobe's I'm like, hey, you don't anyway, you have an NDA, You're right a fight? Uh So, Shamia is allegen boy. Shamia is alleging I was not there, promise y'all. Shamia is alleging.

29:33 That kym Michelle got about her seat and tried to attack her.

29:37 The reason why I am saying Kelly is putting the best spot is because I don't know, y'all peak this Smiah did ask Kelly?

29:49 Then then I then that happened? Do I get it?

29:54 Yeah?

29:56 So I'm all I'm saying, is.

29:59 Kelly's in a spot because I do believe that this friendship between kay Michelle and Kelly's rail.

30:08 And obviously we know the friendship between Shamia and Kelly's rail.

30:11 But Carlos can just say something real quick. I saw an interview with Shemiah on My Tiki Talkies last week where they said, Samiyah, if there was one person who you wouldn't want to want to come back next season, who would it be? And she says, I don't want to get in trouble. I'm just gonna say me. And then they were like, no, Shamiyah, if there was answer, Honestly, if there was one person you wouldn't want to come back next week next year, who would you want to be?

30:31 She said, I wouldn't want to come back the girl who tried to fight me at the reunion.

30:37 See okay, so I got the Waldorf from thank you Yes.

30:41 So when she said that, I'm now thinking is she talking about Kate Michelle? Because she said the girl who wanted to fight me is who I wouldn't want to come back next season? And I'm thinking, is that Ky Michelle? Because how are you saying you're trying to do a friendship if you're answering like last week that you don't want her to come back. I'm confused.

30:56 And stop asking housewives who they don't want to come back next season or not. That's a very rude question, house wife and put them in that position to now have to disrespect they cast members. If you it's it's other ways to get juicy ship. Stop asking people that played out ass question and.

31:13 Then when they answer you it's a lose lose situation, Like you're like, first you start off with, oh, nobody, I like them all, and they keep pressing, pressing. Then you'll be like, okay, well in that case, let me just say the person and you don't mean it so evily, but it's always gonna get cut in a way that says Morton or Porsia Williams or Cynthia Bailey doesn't.

31:31 Want and such to come back. You'll see my answer. She doubled down and said, tune in and you'll see exactly who I'm I was like, please stop talking. They got you stop.

31:41 Yeah, No, that was that was I'm a dust you guys, I don't I don't like that.

31:46 It's just you don't never ask nobody no ship like that.

31:49 You know you can't win that question. You cannot win that question. And Shemia still, even though she's been around, I feel like she's still green, Like.

31:57 She's still yeah for sure to be in the Yeah, she's still.

32:01 Green, Like she don't get like she's still in her feelings, she's still answering questions that she could like and when she gets there, hopefully they'll be in season eighteen. I think she'll come into her own. I really feel like that. But I feel like the first season absolutely not.

32:17 Class of Atlanta.

32:20 I am the Queen of Atlanta, and as I know, my name is Lance Tops. That's my Queen of Atlanta.

32:29 Yes, but to me and my vite, you would be talk less because I think in your like desire to explain yourself and I we all do too much. And then you give them another you give them more material to like get you, and you're not there yet. And when you get there, because you are making progress, you are making progress, but talking too much because you're you're still playing in real life. How you be in real in a real friend circle and they're playing in reality and that's what that's right?

33:00 Yeah?

33:01 What did y'all think? Though? Okay, so in this moment, who do y'all need?

33:07 I'm gonna start with you, Claudia timeil Cay Michelle is saying that when they all hung out at the nine in question, where Samia's mom boots allegedly to her to her throat her chin that In that conversation, ca Michelle did reveal that Smilla's mom allegedly called Porsche Jezebel and and Cay Michelle said, if I'm lying, how do I know Porsche that your that Smia's that your mother asked MEA's father to come over to her house to fix the pipes.

33:50 Well, it's too confusing you guys.

33:53 You're like, get Mama out of this child.

33:56 So here's my thing with the mothers. I hate that the daughters have so much beef over stuff the mother said, and they're paying for what their mothers have said. Shemia is not Shemiah's fault what her mother says about Porsche, and it is not Porsche's fault what her mother says about Shamia. And Porscha's mother kicked it off last year saying, look at the girl dog carrying the bone. Whatever she said, and whatever she said was what she said. And I will say this, what Diane said is not Porsche's fault.

34:26 It should not fall on Porsche. What her mother says just like it should not fall on like why we blame on the daughters. The mothers have long standing beef for what happened in the nineteen hundreds and fifties. Okay, so why the daughters in twenty twenty six being like blamed like the wind Portia got some what I think call me a jesup girl, please even call away worse and shamia please like y'all, y'all this is you can't be The mothers are messy. The moms are messy, and the daughters are paying for it. And I don't think that's fair because I feel like if the moms will stop being messy, maybe there was hope for these daughters.

35:02 But they're being messy. So if you're gonna be messy, mama's get on the show and get you a peach and really go there, because get dipping in and dipping out is causing problems with your daughters. And now they're never gonna get back to back at one shout out to Bribe by night. No, I don't like him. Breda's saying, you know they're never gonna get back because now it's a beef about the moms, and the moms are sucking up their daughters. They really are, and I think they should like fall back a little bit and like get out the way because I think the mom's beef is making it's because I keep being like, wait, what is Porscha and Shimi's beef? The moms let them go on zoos and fight in a box and match or something

35:39 not zous Hello Oprah.

35:49 The statement that we just popped giving out bags, claud did you see the statement at the bottom that said that the girl the girls are gossiping with their moms though, so they are slightly complicit. It's not like they're just watching them others. I here's the thing I actually believe about this. I don't. I don't always believe kimashall you know to me she's talking to the empty car seat next to her on the train, I do. I don't believe she made this up. I think she saw something.

36:11 She's like, oh, y'all crazier than me, and it freaked it sobered her up. I think a lot of weird things happen in that club, and Kim Michelle was like, you know what, this is the one too far from me, which is probably red her. I've also said this too, when she said she called Joe daddy, not a mama and a daddy on the phone at the club talking shit about about about a portrait. It's too much. It's too much.

36:35 It's too much at this point the pediatrics of Atlanta, because and there.

36:42 It's giving old. Your mama and your daddy was talking shit at the club. Was too much.

36:45 Yeah, But my thing is you said through it though, and listen. So here's how I feel I.

36:51 Would like to see it.

36:52 I want one hundred percent believe that Shemiah her mom had a conversation about their issues with poor around Cay Michelle. And that's because came and Shelle and Shamia created the type of environment where they both feel comfortable having those conversations. And I think it's interesting that came to Shelle chooses to use that information in that moment as a gotcha thing against Porsche, Like when she's arguing to me and she brings up something that Samia's mom said about Porsche when we all know that there is a break. They are not on good terms. Porsche and Porscha's mom and Shemia's mom are not getting along. Porsch SMI are not getting along. So is it really a shock that a conversation took place where that was discussed. Why is it

37:37 now being used as like a thing to like get back at her. You get what I'm saying, So, like, I take issue with that. It's my thing. I don't really don't even give it. Damn why she do it? I take issue with it because I think it's like if you sit there and have the conversation with them until two o'clock in the morning or whatever, and you in there letting them talk to you with titties in your face and shit, and stay there. You know what I'm saying, Like you don't get to them and be like, well, this happened and that was wrong. Your mama did all that.

38:06 And I'm mad at you because your mama did all of that stuff, but you sat there and party. I never once hear you say I got up and left or I told your mom to stop talking, and I told you and your mom, look, I don't feel comfortable talking to me about that. I'm just gonna know all y'all, we didn't get that. So now that mad day this is being talked about. But do I think Cay Michelle is lying about that? Not at all. I think she's one hundred percent telling the truth. I believe SMI and her mom had that exact conversation in front of came Tochelle.

38:35 So I don't think she deserves to be called a liar for that. Yeah, she's not. I don't believe she's lying about that. I just feel like, what you sit there for and let it happen if you If I'm somewhere, y'all know everybody up here, motherfucking know, I'm not participating. I'm not doing it. You gotta have boundaries with stuff like that so you don't end up in situations like this.

39:01 So that's all give me.

39:03 That's the character flaw. It's the same thing with Porsche in the miscarriage. Ky Michelle's the kind of friend. And I hate to say this because people like this make me nervous. Who will smile and pretend to agree, judge you harshly in their mind, and then say their real opinion elsewhere while you're thinking they're complicit on the same page as you. I find that dangerous people who will pretend that we're on the same page face to face and then turn around and throw it behind my back to somebody else. You it's two face, right. But I also think it's a character flaw that she does with everybody, not just for me. She did with Porsche, with the whole miscarriage thing. She did it with whoever told her

39:37 that thing that Carlos's the airport's about that will never know. She keeps on judging people silently in her head and then using it later to throw on their face and they're like, wait, I thought we were on the same page. Came and sheelle start telling people in real time that you don't agree with that shit because you're complicit.

39:50 And that's why they're confused, because if you don't say nothing when it happens, I'm thinking you were the shits with me, and then at the reunion mad day you like, and then that's why she'd be like and she's not quick enough yet she sent me up without realizing it.

40:04 Let's what does this have to do with anything? Carlos I thought, showed you the picture what her mom had on in the club? What is it? How is that relevant to what we're talking about? And they're gonna put but on the beginning, But Carlos I thought, she's.

40:21 Saying that pities weren't all out and up higher on her neck, and.

40:25 That has what to do with the price of tea in China.

40:28 You know what I'm saying it doesn't make sense. Baby.

40:31 That's it's gonna be fair to both to the ladies, and it's not just gonna be pro sing me. I think the ladies are getting punished for what their moms are saying. Yeah, and and I don't think that's fair on either side. It started again with Diane said the thing about about came ship Shamia. And now at the time they were so cool. You can't help what your mother says. And I don't think the daughter should be penalized unless they egg it on and talk shit. Yes, they are having conversations, but like imagine, think about your most honorary relative that you have, and they might just you might give them a little bit of what's happened in your life and be like, you know, and then they say some wild ship. Then you get crucified now

41:13 to the cross because of what you're crazy ass. Uncle George said the piece of bed. Still you know what I'm saying.

41:22 Did weather at twelve?

41:28 I did it as an adult. I'll be dreaming, sleeping real deep, oh.

41:32 Dear, oh, other things happen when I sleep real deep, and I wake up to a surprise. So one thing that happened on this reunion that I thought was the best moment.

41:43 I want to give it up to.

41:45 Yesoo spoopoo spool spoo.

41:49 Then what else happened?

41:52 Peaches?

41:54 Peach life is shout out to Cynthia Denise Bailey and this is no change.

42:02 My live.

42:02 Hey Cynthia, Stepha knows me. I'm always honest, whether she gets mad at me or not.

42:06 And lets be clear, Cynthia has been met in me a couple of time, childs, So when I say this, I'm being very honest.

42:13 That moment was Cynthia, Andy and the girls was the best moment. So listen. I love shade, I love drama. I love mess. We all do. If you're if you're the nine thousand plus people here, you love mess.

42:28 To child, they just met Claudia in Blue Okay, that's that song is so good.

42:36 Shout out to La Prince.

42:38 By the way, I got a attraction as a journalist. Hey Claudia, Hey Portia. I gotta retract. I did an interview with Peater where I said that La Prince was thirty two years younger than Cynthia.

42:50 I was wrong.

42:51 He is only.

42:55 Eight. Not get it wrong again. I think Cynthia. If I got this wrong. I'll falligize he's only like maybe like eighteen years younger. If that google the apology.

43:04 You can't give an apology with I know.

43:08 I got tried about the peace life. So listen.

43:12 That song is everything, Prince. I never thought of a million years you would have a hit song that you even sing bitch. I love it, I love it, I love it. Best moment A part two.

43:23 To me, that song is that song, and y'all could listen. I'm not captain when I say this.

43:28 That song is on the level don't be tardy, because don't be tardy way further.

43:33 Yeah, you know, I think it's better than It's.

43:37 Better than that.

43:37 You know why.

43:38 I was playing it in the shop this morning, and when it started, people were like what and then you could see them like oh. And when the beat drop, everybody lost it. Everybody in the shop lost it was like, oh shit. So Cynthia, Yeah, I just love.

43:51 Singing her happy. So I'm so happy she's having this moment with this song. Good for you and you deserve it, Cynthia, that's how a legacy housewife.

44:00 She's like gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. Best she's having luck.

44:06 She looks amadr don't nobody but not saying that. But no, goddamn cyn to you. Everybody know how I am. We are even you know sah.

44:17 But no, I want to make sure to bring that up. I want to get to Pinky. This to me was and y'all know I'm listen.

44:25 I think it's fair to say of all four of us, I will say I'm probably the hardest on Pinky, right and it's blue shot.

44:35 I'm just signing for it. I'm not to get it. You know, Mary Puffitch as a producer. I don't care yet that you're a producer. The fuck go ahead, friends, I remember I was there.

44:54 Okay, y'all know I'm hearts on Pinky. So I will say this, and I do feel like I'm going to be alone in this, and that's gonna be great because I don't mind having a debate on this. Pinky's segment came up.

45:12 Pinky had a package and they talked about her bankruptcy and she pretty much talked about how she's almost at the finish line but how grateful she was that she was able to talk about it and all those things.

45:26 Phaedra, which listen, shopped right. Faedra inserted herself.

45:31 In it wasn't mad at it right and said that you know, she didn't like the fact that she believed that Pinky used bankruptcy as.

45:41 A tool like it was a positive thing. And they have this back and forth, and Fader revealed that Pinky's investors included black investors who gave her upwards of.

45:55 Twenty five million dollars. Pinky defended herself and said could have happened to anybody. Fadri said it wouldn't happen to her because she is self funded. Pinky said, win some more cases and called Bobby Brown. Fadri said, all you do is bragged and get Faa said, all you do is brag again people ideas if you're that brag ofdocious, you need to pay your bills. Look, I will say in terms of read fad your one to me. Now in terms of Pinky, this is how I feel the girls I felt.

46:36 I never took Pinky discussing bankruptcy as her being flipping about it. I didn't see that way. I saw Pinky.

46:45 Getting a hit of the story before these girls used it to go against her. But I never once saw Pinky used the bankruptcy in a joking way. I never took it that way, so I was surprised that the girls did say that when it comes to investors, I will say this, and I would love to hear from you Blue on this too when.

47:08 It comes to and all to be obviously, but Blue, I'm gonna give.

47:10 It you next.

47:10 When it comes to investors. Here's the deal. When investors loan you money, if they don't get.

47:18 It back, it could be you as a tax right, all right, it's a loss and they're able to use it as that. I just don't feel like Pinky deserve the anks that was coming from a couch only because I never thought for a second that Pinky was not trying to say she feels bad for the people invested in her. She never said it, and I thought that the girls took that and ran with it base on the comments.

47:45 That's how I took it. But Blue, what do you think?

47:48 So? I actually agree with that part, But I think it's more layer than that. Okay, edit that they showed. I agree with what you just said. And however, Comma, what we saw during the reunion was the girl then went on to say, the girl who is going through bankruptcy and all this stuff. Is also constantly trying to act like everybody's coach and business mentor and give them advice and tell them ideas and whatever. If somebody was going through a dark knight of the soul and rather than sitting in the humility of that loss and taking the l and learning from it, was still trying to pontificate and be a coach, I'd be like, now, baby, I feel like you worried about your shit than my right now, right, it could be obnoxious to still be

48:31 acting like you have a W when you have an L. So I do believe that there were things that were happening that didn't make the cut that would be obnoxious, right if I was the Brokens bitch on the panel. Yet every time y'all saw me, I had I want to tell y'all how to run your business. At some point you'd be like, now, honey, maybe you should pay your bills before you keep on giving me ideas. So I actually think what they said on the couch clarified for me why they would be annoyed, because everybody would find that insufferable, right, And Picky even agrees. She's like, yeah, and I have more idea like she agreed she does that number two. The only place, ironically, where Pinky lacked humility was discussing it up until episode two of the reunion,

49:09 I would have been like, no, Pinky's actually been really kind of fun about it. We even gave her credit, like, Yo, how dope is it to talk about an l like that as a real factor of business?

49:18 Right?

49:19 The flippancy that they didn't show in the edit, Pinky showed us in her response, ironically, and it was defensive in a way that turned me off incredibly, more so than anything that happened during the season, because the stats she was reading, Pinky, just because you're talking fast doesn't mean I'm not listening slow. The stats were not doing what I think. I think she thought that her talking fast would make them impressive. As somebody who also talks fast.

49:47 I was like, oh, ew il ill wait, I'm hearing a lack of a strain. I'm hearing scaling too. When you run a business, success is actually detrimental sometimes if you are not prepared for it. My business blew up in January. I realized I was not prepared to go to scale. I shut it down for six months to prevent what happened to Pinky. So saying that you lack restraint, we're not ready to scale. Had fourteen businesses that could not be sustainable when you could have had restraint and had five that were thriving. It's not a flex. That's actually not a flex. It shows a lack of discipline.

50:21 So I think in a moment where someone like Fadria love her or loath her, has been above water for twenty years, if I had been doing something for eight years and I had to file for bankruptcy and a bitch who's been doing this since the nineteen hundreds was saying, actually, though X, Y and Z and paid off her house, I would probably have a little bit more humility. I did not enjoy watching the way Pinky postured to Faedria, because you could call off Faedri a lot of things, and broke is not one of them, or bankrupt, and so for me it turned me off. From a business standpoint, the defensiveness turned me off incredibly. I'm okay being the only person dying on this hill. It was unnecessary. It really really was unnecessary. And also too, I think sometimes

51:06 then this is something that happens to black women in particular because everybody is willing to count us out. We sometimes have to be our own coach and give ourselves pep talks right, and we have to be our own like girl, you can do a fuck if nobody else believes in you. I understand that sometimes it's a term called toxic positivity, where you spend so much time giving yourself pep talks that you can't sit in the l and learn from failure. And I think Pinky's so busy getting ahead of it. She hasn't actually sat in the humility of this fucking failure, and there's something that you can be learned in sitting in that failure. She keeps rushing past it with pep talks. So I wish Pinky act she rushed past the lesson because she wants to

51:45 be a pep talk. Yeah, so unintelligent, Piky on some real shit.

51:49 Yeah, I'm gonna give you a second Claudia, Okay, so does that? Okay, I agree with you. So I want to make it clear too.

51:57 I thought they were unfair when they said she.

52:00 Was flipping about the bankruptcy. You're right, based on the season. I do agree with them here because this is part two of the of the conversation, Part two, they said, how you file for bankruptcy, but you also tell Angela I can buy ten of your houses? So which one is? Are you the rich visual of broke bitch? And that's something that I think all four of us said earlier this season, So that part I agree with them, and I do agree with you there. I do agree with you that when it comes to Pinky being bragadocious, what was unfortunate for her that I don't think she realized was you have to pick a struggle. Are you the broke, bankrupt bitch or are you the boss bitch? I can buy a ten of Angela's homes?

52:47 Which one is it? But you can't to your point, Blue, and I agree with you, you can't be both because we here, yeah the word you said.

52:55 We've all said this all season. Pinky is amazing, She's funny, she's an asset. We want her to come back. Pinky also struggles with vulnerability, and the gap between her being toxically positive and the girls finding her slightly insufferable is that she won't sit in the place that requires her to be vulnerable. And I am praying because I'm actually she's one of my favors, to be perfectly honest, That's not what I'm saying. I'm praying that she learns how to be balanced and sit in vulnerability a little bit more.

53:20 It'll make her more likable when she talks about her relationship. It will make her more likable when she talks about her business. It will also show that she's not being so prideful. I think Pinky's pride is the only thing stopping her from completely taking off.

53:32 Bestine.

53:33 Yeah, I think all y'all and lost all y'all damn minds. Because if you think that I'm finna sit on the stage on the Housewives reunion and let y'all lambast me for filing bankruptcy and just take it to have humble pie, you've lost your mind. Pinky better than me. I love the fact that she stood in it and told all of them basically to go to hell, because that's exactly what I would have done. There's no way I'm not about to cow tow and bow down and all be humble.

54:01 Fuck y'all, let's talk about let's let the bones fall out of y'all motherfucking closet. You know what I'm saying and that and that. Personally, that's the type of time I would have been on. So I say that jokingly, y'all done lost, y'all, Damn minds. You know what I'm saying. This is the mother fucking and it's the reunion. It's never been a time to be defensive. That That is when you're supposed to be defensive. That's when you're supposed to be like, actually, fuck what you're talking about. Because you have this going, you're supposed to do all of that.

54:30 So while in my real life, of course, I would to approach that whole situation from a place of humility and like, I would be so rapped up in trying to find a solution that I wouldn't even be able to find heartiness and arrogance in my posturing and my conversation related to it, because I'd be super sensitive about it.

54:48 But if we're now sitting on a stage where the point of us sitting here is to defend our shit, y'all can kiss my entire not y'all, but they on stage would have been able to kis my entire motherfucking ass. I don't give a damn how many banks script seeds with an S, shout out to God to be real. That's what the people who know about got to be real.

55:04 But I don't know how many bankruptcyeds with an S. I don't care how many of them it was. I'm not bowing down to no motherfucker on this stage when it comes to my personal business. Right that bankruptcy don't have shit to do with an argument with nobody on that stage. That's her personal business that they're using to poke holds poking her because that's the sport of the show.

55:28 You're supposed to do that. I also think the sport of the show is telling them to kiss your motherfucking ass when you talk about it. So, I personally was not more turned off by Pinki's situation. And and also I agree one hundred percent with you and Blue we say that the two situations happening can currently does not compute well to viewers, to really anybody with half a brain, right, are you broke or are you paid? Are you okay?

55:57 Or are you not? So I agree with all of that, specifically referring to her posturing and her energy on that reunion stage. I understand it. That's all I'm saying.

56:08 No, And I believe me, and Blue also said, be understanding. But I do think that your no, I know, I did, I know. I think I think this. I think there's two separate issues.

56:19 I think you.

56:20 I think Dustin, Carlton, Blue, look at the Claudia all agree. When it came to her being flipping about it and the girls attacking that, I think we all said no, defend yourself and we didn't see it. Now it came to you trying to buy houses, but you file bankruptcy.

56:38 Which one is it?

56:39 They were?

56:41 The thing is, here's here's where Pinky lost the argument to me because I agree with you housewives, and let's go right. You've had four women on one college throw daggers at you, right, and no shade too, Pinky.

56:58 This is your first housewife reunion. You'll be better next season. The Bobby Brown thing is old, tired, late and dry.

57:05 Right.

57:06 I don't like a read that I heard years ago on another reunion. I don't. That's me, that's me.

57:12 So my thing is, it's like she said, it's reheated nachos. You could have easily got to Porsche because Porta got you. So this, Cynthia, so did Angela. And you said nothing against them, because I think, to your point, Dustin, it's a sport, but unfortunately she was bent in this particular sport. Yeah, we had nothing to offer besides a tired, late ass Bobby Brown show that I heard in Jet magazine back in nineteen eighty seven.

57:45 Disagree with you, but you go dad.

57:48 Remember the ticker tape section Jet Carlo.

57:52 Yes, I will say this too. I'm gonna say that I'm painfully I applauded Pinky for giving good business advice and modeling good business at the beginning of the season. That's why I'm disappointed that that fell apart at the reunion. People that could have taken great notes from her at in the season. Don't take no notes from nothing she said, even if it was good for the show. Don't take none of them notes that you heard her say in episode two of the reunion. It's bad advice, right, So I think for me, I went from a plotting her like, oh, people can can learn from you, to oh, this is your theater. Now, we can't learn shit from this other than clapping for you having a good show on whatever.

58:24 So for me, that deviation is why I was disappointed.

58:26 I get it.

58:27 Go ahead, Claudia, Claudia.

58:30 God damn long I remember with the goddamn question what was questions Pinky?

58:34 Well, I tried to go to you. You want to go you said, go to Dustin first. It's about Pinky, pinky bankruptcy storyline.

58:41 After reunion, they just said that you can't be braggadocious, and okay, okay.

58:48 I agree with a lot of what y'all said, and I definitely agree with what Duson said. Yes, you can't have it both ways. You cannot have it both ways like you bragging. But Yoh is messed up right now. At the same time, I also think Pinky may have a problem with the messinger.

59:03 That's a good point.

59:04 Yeah, it's Fasier rubbing her the wrong way, like let's not now like, let's not forget recent history, like you got away with a real big scandal that happened that other people went to prison for now. I'm not saying you was guilty, but she was in the mix. So I feel like Pinky's like, wait, what, like you want to come don't come from like sometimes it's a messenger.

59:25 And yes, Fasier got our ship together now, but there was a time that she was caught up in some shady ship. I mean, I was too back in the nineties. But I'm just saying, confess you talk to I think it's past the time. I think I don't know. But anyways, I'm saying.

59:39 I think that's Carlos.

59:42 She's confess.

59:44 So I do think two things we do truth at the same time. Yes, Pinky was like very defensive, but I think also she was like, wasn't trying to hear it from Faedier. They already have a lot of things. And I do say I didn't know why there was a thing like the Fager Pinky thing. To me, I'm like, why was that always like this thing? It reminded me of Season seven was Phasier and Demetria, Like where would this come from? Like I don't get the origin of their like bumping up heads, Like did I miss something?

1:00:09 Is that something I forgot?

1:00:10 Like why is it? Like?

1:00:11 So you know, and I feel like in this reunion, Fadrier was definitely locked in and she was definitely getting girls together. She was doing a lot of that. Also, she was also in some parts And I don't care if y'all come me hate her. It's the fucking truth. And there's a lot of people here who agree with what I have to say. A lot of times when people like Andy will say, hey, Phasia, can you understand Pinky's feelings on this? Instead of Frasier just listening and taking in, she immediately goes, but what if I mind?

1:00:40 She did that like three times during this reunion where it was like, but what about me take it in for a second. She can make example and it happens. No, I could have earlier, but I can't right now. I had it already, I had some stuff written down. Okay, I'm being honest, y'all.

1:00:59 But what about the gun ship? Did she trying to say that?

1:01:03 Yeah?

1:01:05 No, Pinky said that had called the higher ups whatever that means. But apparently somebody in production regarding her saying that Pinky had made a common referencing having to protect herself with it sounded like a gun right. What you know, Carlos?

1:01:27 What happened? Carlos?

1:01:27 I know?

1:01:28 You know?

1:01:28 What can you tell us that you know?

1:01:30 Yeah?

1:01:31 Blink twice if you know something? Slow?

1:01:34 Okay, group, here's the deal.

1:01:39 As as the owner of production company and a producer, what I will say is this call doesn't mean the network all the time.

1:01:47 It means the higher up at the production company. So if you hear like a bell collector, if you hear Marie Moreau said, I called the high rocks. She called either Carlos King or the people that are high titles and company.

1:02:01 When it comes to what came Michelle Jesus, when it comes to what Pinky and Phedra talked about, based on based on the language that was used, it's obvious that there was a weapon involved.

1:02:15 Right in terms of the details.

1:02:19 I don't know the details the of the specifics of it, but there was something in regards to a device. They said device, which means weapon. I'm just telling y'all production terms. And there was more so about Pinky having one and they in Georgia, you you can carry, you know, legally, legally you can carry. So in in in their defense, I'm assuming that they are legally carrying And allegedly Phaedra discovered that and obviously basically happened last season when they said she called the higher ups, and he said, I know she would have called me from my understanding, did I call the network? She contacted other people and and look and this, and and and and to Claudia's point.

1:03:24 Their issue started because of that, because that happened obviously earlier in the season.

1:03:31 But but it wasn't air not air.

1:03:33 It wasn't talked about Michelle because obviously who wants to talk about that particular device again this season?

1:03:39 Thank God, smart decision. Yeah, but damn no, I ain't know peaky like that. Okay, s's household, so anyway.

1:03:57 But she definitely was very defensive, but very Yeah, but that's what the reunion especially, that's the most stressful part of the season is the reunion. You know, we may have scratched hormones a month ago. A month ago, we may have squashed it, but it's back up again because we have everybody got to like, we're performing for an audience.

1:04:17 Oh yeah, we squashed it, but I gotta like your ass up because it's the reunion. That's what they do. But yeah, I think I think was definitely gathering, and you know, Pinky was just like.

1:04:26 And yeah, but I think this conversation, I think I think, listen, we'll get to this later when it comes to more than alive in the comments, right, I think Pedro was very much aware that people were like, why she here because she wasn't clocked in the entire season.

1:04:44 I think Fadrian Knew had to come in and give smoke and listen. I will say this, I thought Pedra was great this reunion.

1:04:52 She was amazing.

1:04:54 Kelly, I want to go blonde next to the pha I like that Wig.

1:04:57 No, she was good even with and Phaedra said, how does your husband have money when your kids dental bills are on the bankruptcy. Pinky said she qualified to be a housewife, and Phaedra said, they don't check tax returns, and Angie joke, maybe they should start listen, I Claudia will get to your rates. Read later in the segment of the show. I would have to say, I didn't feel like that was a rehearse read from Phaedra, and I I enjoyed it well, listen saying I thought reads towards Pinky was good and then not come rehearsed to me.

1:05:41 Yeah, yeah, they didn't seem rehearsed, but it was like you waited seventeen episodes to give us something.

1:05:46 They didn't rehearse you.

1:05:48 No, no, but we'll got to We'll get to somebody read that was rehearsed later in the segment, Kelly apologized, okay, Fedri said that Pinky didn't apologize to her, and that's how the whole thing with the device came about.

1:06:06 Pinky was like, I won't yes, I want to get to it was just funny.

1:06:14 I do want to get to Shamia versus Angela. Obviously, the segment about whether or not Smia left with George anything to do with George. To me, you never dated George, Angela.

1:06:32 Said to me. It was a game of semantics, Angela saying, don't call me a liar. I didn't say that. I said it this way.

1:06:40 And that's when things happened between Kelly and Angela. Claudia Jordan, I would like for you to do the honors of rating this read between Kelly and Angela. Okay, you play I can't play it for copyright reasons.

1:07:03 You want me to read it? Oh yeah, I got I got got it? Okay?

1:07:08 Can you say it like them?

1:07:11 Okay, so I'm not dusted. I'm not good impersonation.

1:07:15 It's okay, you do incredible impersonations.

1:07:19 It.

1:07:20 Kelly said that she had a husband for eleven years and did not have to get pregnant to have one.

1:07:27 Oh, Angela said, my husband.

1:07:31 Puts me in rooms and your husband pushs you in courtroom. We are not the same, said, my husband remembered marrying me.

1:07:42 Though that was tough. That hurt. That hurts the dugular right there, I.

1:07:48 Heard Gordan rate that read who won?

1:07:54 You know, I love Angela, I like both of them, but I got to take my personal feelings out of it.

1:08:02 Kelly won, say it Angela.

1:08:06 Down the giant.

1:08:07 She did. Kelly did because I felt like my husband puts me in rooms, your husban puts you in court rooms. It felt a little rehearsed, and I felt like it was something she kind of said before, so it was a little bit like reheated.

1:08:21 You know.

1:08:23 Yeah, I will say, you know Angela's be saying on the next but Kelly was fighting multiple people.

1:08:30 She climbs their leg.

1:08:31 Yeah, I gotta give Kelly got a tent on that one.

1:08:36 Listen, Kelly was off the dome, had had been in the lab a little bit. And that's okay. That don't mean Angela ain't no good housewife. That don't mean does not have great insults and quote unquote reads or whatever on the show. It just means that in that particular battle, Kelly came out the victor was off the dome. You could watch her thinking the thoughts in real time and then saying them, like when she made the comment about I think you have to get pregnant by him. Now there was a pause a little bit before she said it.

1:09:06 You could just watch it happening in real time, and that's always better than something that was prepared ahead of time.

1:09:14 And don't know if it was an editing, but it sure looked like Kelly had Angela gagged where there was a pause by Angela. You know, you glitch a little bit when someone gets you where you're like, oh shit, I didn't expect that. Well, let me pull this knife out of my stomach.

1:09:27 It seemed like that.

1:09:30 Angela is very very very very quick.

1:09:33 Yeah, it's all good.

1:09:37 Listen.

1:09:38 We said Angela want against Pinky. It was it was around Pinky held her own. Angela definitely held her own. I believe Kelly.

1:09:47 Won that one by landslide. I love Angela Oakley.

1:09:50 This was the first time, this is my opinion, I never ever believed that Angela reades web hers. This was the first time that I said to myself, fuck Angela, And now I look crazy because the fans have been saying, you rehearse your reads, and that was the one time that I felt it wasn't.

1:10:09 Obvious rehearse read.

1:10:11 My husband takes me in the rooms, your husband takeing the court rooms. That that made me look at Angela and said, Angela, baby, let's just you remember that game we had Nmber five and you were right the sketch and you would shake it and start.

1:10:29 Angela, let's etch and sketch this season. Let's start over her. Let's start from scratch.

1:10:35 Kelly's hungrier than her. That's why Kelly's gonna always beat Angela. There's a This is one thing I've always said about Kelly that I think this reunion I proved. Kelly has been knocked down so many times. She has nothing to lose. There's nobody more dangerous in the room than a bitch who is hungry and has nothing to lose and consist fuss.

1:10:55 Everything you can say about has already been said. Everything that you can say about somebody has already been said. Every l you could take has already been took. So she's like, fucking let's go. I've been that person before. You can see her fang showing. So I think anybody who's coming for Kelly who's not hungry, you're gonna get ate up. And even when she was talking to Porsche and Porsche was like, I'm gonna keep my foot on your neck, and Port's I'm gona keep frot on your little bag, right, Like I think Kelly gets aroused by showing you why she's there, Like I think she gets sexually aroused by tussling the girls. Like the tussle. I think the only person who can really keep up with Kelly is Porsche. And that's why they're so good for

1:11:29 each other, because they're the only ones. Porscha's just naturally eats right and Kelly's hungry as fuck.

1:11:35 I think that was raised by the Ogs, and I think Kelly is the.

1:11:40 Only person who can go toe to toe with Porsche. So for that reason alone, we have to keep her.

1:11:44 No Kelly listen. Kelly earned her peach this season this reunion.

1:11:51 I I I was shocked at how good Kelly was this reunion, not only because and I said this to her, my ennery you, I said, in person, you know how to read. I literally said that to her, I said, you read good in person on Twitter not so much, and she said, I don't do my tweets. I have somebody who does it for me. I said, fire them.

1:12:13 You know you're good because Angela is listen. Angela is such an amazing, stellar reader that to know that Keuntley's off the dome about I take the part that got me that I said, damn, Kelly, you damn is when she definitely said, which is I don't know if it's true or not, but that's when you have to answer the truth. It's when she said I don't have to marry my husband of a loved years because I got pregnant.

1:12:43 That was that that that hurts.

1:12:46 Like that followed it up with don't play with me?

1:12:51 Yeah you like that? Said yeah, bitch, I said that ship. I've done that before. That's a victory lap. That's a victory lap. And you're like, yes, I play with me.

1:13:00 Because nobody on Angela's couch came listen, even just the door saying bitch me and my crimps.

1:13:06 We there wasn't nothing to be said at that point, you know. And one thing about Angela, Angela has no problem giving the ladies their props, Like, yo, you were I know I was in a fight, like she told Pinky, I knew I was in a fight, or like she told Pinky, you know, thank you for being forgiven and wanting to move forward and all that shit. So I don't think Angela will be tripping about saying, like, you know, Kelly got me on that reunion stage, and she got her on that reunion side.

1:13:34 Shout to Angela to for proven my theory that I've been saying all season that the reason why she and Porsche were able to make it up because Porsche apologized and when it go and the other girls were still saying slick shit, I'm a tourist. I knew that was I knew it. I knew it what I thought.

1:13:48 Let's get into that.

1:13:50 So Angela said the reason why she had more smoke for Meia than Porsche Porscha like blues and apologized and never said it again. We did learn in this reunion that Shamia was allegedly said some things too, and Angela felt that she wasn't able to forgive her for that because the focus.

1:14:12 Was on on Shamia. And that's and listen, I actually do believe Angela.

1:14:17 I believe that I totally get it.

1:14:19 No and Blue you clocked that immediately early on. I believe Angela. I do believe that's why Angela has smoke.

1:14:25 I get it.

1:14:26 But that's why I'm always a proponent of you have to say things in the moment. I said about Kiy Michelle, I said about Angela. Everybody you the reason why Kell listened, And I said about Shamia.

1:14:37 I'm told Key, Michelle, Shamia, and Angela, y'all gotta say shit in the moment for it to make sense.

1:14:44 The reason why Kelly is winning and.

1:14:47 Everyone is surprise is because Kelly says in the moment the moment, Kelly said that set next to Portia and said, what we learned is that Portia fucks everybody's African's husband while she's next to her. She didn't wait, took confessional with her T shirt. She didn't wait, so she was gonna scene without her to talk shit. She said it to her face. But that's how you win the long game.

1:15:11 And that's why I don't like a couple of things that happened in this reunion, like the way Kelly, the smallest one of all of them, calls it out in the moment to their face and doesn't change the energy people who do change energy. Angela, you said on the show, and I was like, no, because you know I love her, like she's saying, yeah, I'll be saying something in my confessionals. No, girl, you have it in you to do both because you actually are talented. Don't do that justin your reunion in your confessionals, and don't all the way do it in person because then it's like eh, but she does it better than a lot of the other girls. And also Fatia same thing. I gotta call you out because in person you are all up Porstia's ass, but then sometimes

1:15:53 you shading your own girls, saying, dude, win of money, that puts it, that puts it, play that money. I would be mad if my money that's really my homegirl, bitch, don't be what you're going to pro when you got your nerve with the ship, you don't and I don't. I think that's whay. I think she got away with that.

1:16:15 No one calls her right on that except that's why we do here on Money that Live because she's getting away with ship. Okay, like she's getting away with like a lot of that ship, and that she was I'm sorry.

1:16:30 Money, but you got money the money I have to agree we need.

1:16:39 If I if I'm Poorsicha and yeah, listen, I love the three of y'all more than y'all will ever ever know. If I saw y'all make a flippant joke about that, knowing that people call me these names, that that that rhymes with flore, I would have a big problem and that that wouldn't feel good, jokey or.

1:17:02 Not, Like I I won't like that.

1:17:04 You shouldn't do somebody so mad at each other for doing less, okay for doing less, But then you know, I'm sorry. That's a big deal for you to say in a confessional, like you know, I'm all with all the Africans and I'm always a horn and I can beat my coochie can get bought. That is not what you say about your friend. That's not And she tried to clean up and say, well no she and and but then in the reunion she was fad was like, oh no, well she shouldn't date anyone broke But in the but in the confessionals, you basically saying your friend is a prostitute, and that's cool. You shouldn't say that about Porsche. That's that's really your girl. You shouldn't say that, especially after agree.

1:17:49 Just say that they just work friends or something like that.

1:17:54 Even though she got her fire.

1:17:57 We'll get to that moment a second. Speaking Porsche, Uh, how do you I'll start with you. I'll start with you, Dustin, what were your thoughts?

1:18:12 Come on? Bring it at me.

1:18:15 Took a live detective test on if she did read a live text from a married man claiming he's left with Kelly doing the black entertainment television a Wars weekend. She took the test, the results came back. Andy Cohen said, spoiler, you passed.

1:18:39 Yeah, I thought so funny form to say that.

1:18:44 But starting you, Dustin, what did you think of Porch having a live detective test?

1:18:48 Was it something you appreciate it?

1:18:53 I thought's intention on providing that was to vindicate herself and clear her name as far as because a lot of people I'm sure accused of her making that up porstas had issues with the truth in the past. Whatever. You know what I'm saying. But I think that she wanted to vindicate her name and clear her name, and she did just that. Kelly, don't give a damn you know what I'm saying. Kelly started naming names and stuff, and she appeared to be a little rattled at the light detector element being introduced. But ultimately it's a dead end street. We'll never know the name that was set on that stage from them, you know what I'm saying.

1:19:30 We'll never know that if the story will not continue. So I just thought it was dope, a dope ag. I know, if a motherfucker was accusing me of lying, I would want to clear my name too, And if that's the links I had to go to to do it, that made perfect sense to me.

1:19:47 Claudia, did you think the logitechive test called flat or was it warranted?

1:19:53 It was giving very much to all.

1:19:55 My friend that actually does these light attack of tests, I don't know about that. And they asked Phager if they hold them in court. Pa tried her best to have the back and be like, well somethime, Well not really, I think.

1:20:08 Do they do they not?

1:20:09 Girl?

1:20:11 You know what I mean?

1:20:11 Like, I don't know, but it was I get why Portie you want to do that because I would hate to be called a liar about that. So you know, she did what she had to do, But they're not reliable. I don't know who's this person was a bullshit. I don't know if it's she passed it great, but we all know Porscha has lied a lot on this show.

1:20:29 They all have, not all of them, but she is definitely lied.

1:20:33 Blue.

1:20:34 The only reason a lot of detector tests are not admissible as in court is because sociopaths can pass them. Portia's not a sociopath, so I actually do believe the light detector test. And I also think it's the boy who Cried Wolf, where if you used to be a liar and now you're trying working really hard to tell the truth, you're like, don't call me a lie. I worked really hard to get past that. I don't think it felt fun. I think it rattled Kelly. I think the only person who can rattle Kelly is Porsche. Who's not scared of Kelly is I think again, Portia and Kelly are perfect for each other. It's a match made in hell, which is where Porscha's taking it. And I also think too, the thing I like about Kelly is

1:21:11 when you were in battle, because I used to be in the debate club. If you see an l coming, just pivot, Kelly was like ooh, got me pivot. I don't care how, I don't care if I care. For seventeen episodes, I suddenly don't care anymore. So I think a lot of textes tests was incredibly effective because Porta's not a sociopath. And I also think that it showed that even when Kelly has a good opponent, she's still gonna keep on going. It made me, It made me applaud both of them, Porsia fordicating her name and Kelly for knowing how to fucking pivot.

1:21:39 Yeah.

1:21:42 So in this moment, our prestigious journalist, former Miss teen Roe Island certified Baddie Claudia Jordan's name was mentioned. The full name Claudia Jordan. That's right, because uh, Kelly is not happy with with Pedra because she feels like, okay, Pedra, why would you try to protect?

1:22:10 And this was this was this was Kelly's question.

1:22:12 She asked, why would you protect a man who's cheating on his wife and has kids that you're claiming I had sex?

1:22:19 Well, just mention it.

1:22:20 And Fae's like, well, he's my client, and Kelly's like, I'm your client too, And I felt like I've been in your house we've been getting close you. You did not even once try to put me up on games saying, hey, is this true? Because because he's saying this, is this true? And Kelly felt like she Kelly felt like Faedra co signed it. Porsia steps in and then starts to talk about this.

1:22:43 Man that they both dated. They believed his name.

1:22:50 Kelly said that this is a guy that Claudia Jordan revealed on Mother and Alive that Porscha and Kelly dated the same guy and.

1:23:06 Was the beginning of their issue. Claudia Jordan, what would you like to add on to that? Why are you looking like that? First of all, Claudia, I can't thank you.

1:23:17 Because I don't know how I say. Baby bitches be getting mad?

1:23:23 Well, well, the thing is this without listen I what what would you like to say in terms like do you.

1:23:33 Feel like.

1:23:35 This man that they both dated?

1:23:38 Do you think that's the start or the reason why Kelly and Portsa just always have bb And is he fine?

1:23:46 Girls?

1:23:46 He fine?

1:23:51 Go ahead?

1:23:51 You know who he is because he'd be bailing your girl out out of jail when she gets shops taken. Okay, that's one he was around since Cornell matter of fact, when I met Portia, he invited me to lunch and to dinner and I met her. She was a sweet girl, fresh out of getting out of the divorce, and I was introduced to her as she was his girlfriend. So imagine my surprise when we went out that night and his other rich friend comes and Porscha says, I need to get that. So that was my first issue with her, because if you, my friend introduces I'm introducing to you as my friend's girl, and you like go behind his like to me, you're telling me you gonna like step on on my boy, I'm looking at you crazy, and

1:24:31 it's always I've always looked at her sideway since then. So there's your origin story. Ladies and gentlemen, have I lost respect if I if I meet just someone at Dussin's dating right, and he introduced me to his his his man or whatever, and then in that same night when we're out, his man's like, see somebody else rich, and it's like, oh, I'm gonna go get that. I'm a fuck I don't look at you crazy now, because how dare you tell me you about the ship on my person that I fuck with that I'm friends with Okay, that's number one. Number two, this is a guy that has had her back for a very long time and played the back for a very long time. He was around for a lot of the stuff, go naked hair, investors,

1:25:11 hooking up with people that cars me. I'm giving y'all everything, So now y'all ca be mad at me all you want. I don't give a fuck because it's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And like I said at that reunion, if you think this is defamation and I'm online, follow a lawsuit, okay, but you can't.

1:25:27 So anyways, the guy is he's had her back for a very long time. But you know, when she went and got married to sign in all that whatever, I think that maybe caused a little bit of a riff. And I don't know where they are right now, but there was a time where Kelly and him were kicking it because they called me one time and said hi, and that's how I got.

1:25:47 Introduced to her a guy, and Kelly called you yeah, and.

1:25:51 They said what's up? And there was no shade, There was no talking about Porsche. Her name was not even mentioned. There was not I will say this, he don't be out there like trashing Porsche like that. He wasn't, and I thought she was like cool that he just said what's up? She said, what's up?

1:26:05 Whatever.

1:26:06 Me and Kelly do not be talking all the time like that. It was a couple dms, like like about what we say in the show. It wasn't no feeding her info, she her feeding me info. It has been none of that except today. There was a little contact today when she told me a couple of things. She actually did pay for a Phaedria's law firm some money, so it wasn't all free. But she did say Frazer did the work pro bono with the company. Oh sorry, well I suppos to say that. Anyways, she didn't give her ten racks. So I like the truth to be out because I think when people be like, oh, you was broke, and you she did it for free for you, you shut the fuck up. Now, what else do you want to know about the guy?

1:26:49 People?

1:26:52 I think, Yeah, a lot of people rotting with him.

1:26:54 He's school people, he's the connect to a lot of people with money. A lot of people know him. He knows he knows everyone that got bread, Yeah he does. And he's definitely had. He's back for a very long time. He's never trashed her. To me, He's not like a methy. He's not a he's not a bitch like that. He's just not He's never trash. So I want you to know that Portia, that he's able to be friends with multiple people, people that rock with you and don't without being a messy person. Like, he's not like that. I just know a lot of things from him, and like, like just from I'm very observant and I knew people in that circle as well. He introduced me to people in Nigeria that actually gave me tea that I put

1:27:41 on the show. That wasn't his fault. He induced me and I was on my own after that. You know what I'm saying. But as you know, and I think has been proven more than once that my tea don't be fake, it just be early. I like black tea English breakfast. It's very good.

1:27:59 I like English. It's great coffee of teasing.

1:28:05 Is there any to add before?

1:28:06 I won't add that. I won't say that. I want to add that.

1:28:13 You want to add you good, And I'm leaving out a lot of other stuff. I want to show that I do have some restraints because.

1:28:27 When we were in the Philippines, you don't have to tell.

1:28:31 I'm gonna save that for when we get in the studio one day, because listen, I don't hate the girl. So there are things that I'll never say. I want to, there's things I will never say. I've said enough because my name is in this ship. It was set in the Reunion. Y'all all tune in tonight, not just for this, but there are some people that wanted to hear what I how to say. Even with this, and I don't have a frenchip Prussia, there is still things that I still have never dropped, and I don't have any intentions to unless I have to, But like, you know, that's what it was. I do think that there was And when I said on the show that day, hey man, there's a guy that they shared that you know, if Kelly want to light up, she really could. That wasn't

1:29:11 me being messy. That's just saying there they share a guy. Listen, a lot of people are sharing guys. Phase and Porscha shared a guy Fiju and Kelly shad a guy. I'm a Porsche, and and like there's a lot of sharing Atlanta's like a big college campus, like a lot of urban cities, like Black cities. It's like that, so you know, everybody know each other.

1:29:29 Portia and Kelly are both in happy relationships, and we wish them well.

1:29:33 Yesow ell yata, I love I listen. I think Porsche and Sway look so very happy together. I think she looks very peaceful, and she actually looked even more beautiful. I think Kelly is being loved by a man that actually is into her two and I like that for them, and I hope next season, after all this bullshit with the reunion, that we can get more of those days where like they're not they're not all five on one, eight all six on one, and like get back to having fun, because there was some moments like the reunion.

1:29:59 To me, it was cool, but it was also a lot of aig. There was some actually cool episodes that we really got into where they really had fun and it brought back Housewives nostalgia of yesteryear when they were like, you know, doing fun shit like doing soul train line and I like that. I actually do like that. Okay, right, any other.

1:30:20 Questions, No, I think I'm good here. Thank you, Claudia for your insight.

1:30:27 You're welcome, rain drops.

1:30:31 I can't listen all jokes aside, I will say, I can't thank y'all again for taking time out of your day to tune in every Monday to watch the four of us just you know, have fun, talk shit.

1:30:41 This is what real friendship looks like. We have fun with each other.

1:30:46 We love giving you guys, our context and our commentary and listen. I know we joke all the time about like people watching, but I will say this. I said that, I said this at the top of the show, but I want to say this again. It's such a privile for the four of us to do this every single week. We are commentary and to know that the show was mentioned on a national stage is such a flattering thing to see. And it also shows and I said this on my caption today, I look at this show the way.

1:31:23 I look at ESPN, the way the.

1:31:25 Way athletes do you know Lebron James has got into with Steve day Smith because Lebron James watches what Steve bay Smith say and doesn't like it and sometimes wants.

1:31:35 To be mad at him, and blah blah blah.

1:31:38 We are to reality television what sports are to ESPN. And that's why listen. When we say the reality girlies watch it. We're not saying that to sound smug. We're saying that we hate them. When Kelly Potter said, one week, y'all love me, the next week, y'all, hey me, Shemiah. All the girls have said to me they watch the show, and I know that sometimes go I'm mad at us this week and you'd be happy next week.

1:32:06 I'm tuning in and thank you guys for that. Only on we'red and upward from here.

1:32:14 Actually, thank you. Thanks. All the people are watching support like y'all. Y'all though, and it's okay, y'all be mad at Blue one week, me the next. That's some next Carlos every other week.

1:32:23 I never know. I don't read the comments. Yeah.

1:32:29 Like, and they talked about it, not too much like it all the time to make the world go around, y'all sit back and chew. I'm like, that is up and love all the girls, and I can tell them go funk themselves and they talk ship. Okay, we're doing a job.

1:32:50 We're doing a job.

1:32:51 We love you for that, all right, guys, So no interview tomorrow.

1:32:56 I'm dropping one next week, so rain jobs next Tuesday, you'll get an interview to catch.

1:33:01 Up on my interview with.

1:33:04 That talking about.

1:33:10 Look on that crazy Carlos I was wow.

1:33:14 I know, I know it was.

1:33:16 I don't have pressure pills to watch it, so I had to skip that one from but everybody else watching, everybody else watch it. I love Cynthia too much. I know I would get defensive, so to myself.

1:33:31 A lot of people listen, what a hundred person I have never seen this and I am I saying this one.

1:33:38 Hundred percent yours? What's on cia side? And listen? Thank you Peter for your commentary and no listen.

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