Love is Blind USA - S11 Eps. 9-11: Part 2 w/Brian

0:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Tain Talks. [SPEAKER_01]: I am your host, Tain here with Brian from Mass Virgin and we are on part two Love is mine season 11 episodes 9 to 11. [SPEAKER_01]: We did part one, which was basically the Robin McKayler show and For what happened meant to be the spiraling. [SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy.

0:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It was Netflix versus Rob, you know, so It was Rob versus Rob Netflix was just beside Jared. [SPEAKER_00]: It is man's self-destructed [SPEAKER_01]: you are absolutely correct. [SPEAKER_01]: It was wrong versus rough. [SPEAKER_01]: It was like talking to yourself and then no one was funny with the fuck you looking at GAM.

0:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so it was insane. [SPEAKER_00]: He was just like I'm literally just standing here. [SPEAKER_00]: I could have been in the man. [SPEAKER_00]: It could have been stew. [SPEAKER_00]: It could have been anybody standing here. [SPEAKER_00]: You would have the same reaction. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

0:56 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: So now, you know, the man who sucks all the air through room is completely out and goes from the chaos standing up for herself We can afford to other couples because believe it or not guys there are other couples still on the show [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's start with Neha and Cam.

1:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So the summary on them and Neha has been picking on Cam. [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say, Brian, I do think that a little bit I'm kind of seeing and Neha's point of view. [SPEAKER_01]: The delivery is still not great. [SPEAKER_01]: We can work not a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: The delivery is terrible.

1:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say, did you see his Halloween costume from last night? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a first day of my stories right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did laugh at that. [SPEAKER_00]: That was fun. [SPEAKER_01]: it was, but I was just like, hey, this has got out of prison or something, but yeah, you got a Kennedy face tattoo.

1:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so it starts with, of course, I mean, how bitching about them looking up apartments, and he said that we're going to look up apartments, they never did. [SPEAKER_01]: She needs him to look up stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, and he has type A. Cam is type Z. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even B ever C or D, he like he's just like, and I think this is my marriage.

2:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whatever happens. [SPEAKER_01]: And she does, again, I think she doesn't know how to express herself without it coming off as a day. [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to be to believe that the intent is not to be a day. [SPEAKER_01]: Because she's like, you know, I ask you for something, and then it takes you, and then she actually counts [SPEAKER_00]: Now listen first and foremost like I said I am I am in this marriage.

2:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I am I my wife is type A plus I consider myself type B minus like I am I am very go with the flow with everything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't plan like a vacation when we get there They'll be restaurants we can find like I don't plan in advance. [SPEAKER_00]: You plan everything in advance It took us some time to adjust how this works [SPEAKER_00]: And what I discovered is she doesn't actually want me to do this stuff.

2:50 [SPEAKER_00]: She wants me to ask her if she wants me to do this stuff so that she can say no, I'll take care of it, but I appreciate that you were thinking about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that would be enough because I don't think and I have once to like give over control of how things are going to go to him.

3:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that she wants him to like be aware of all the things that she is taking care of. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't think that she means it as a dig. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just like, [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean? [SPEAKER_00]: You aren't doing all this stuff.

3:16 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you think stuff gets done? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, some things are a dig like the whole I'm on theme. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wearing green. [SPEAKER_01]: You can't go or haircut like it's just a, and I can't relate. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the type A person and it's true. [SPEAKER_01]: You just want the person to feel like, okay, I'm not good at this, but I care.

3:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, just what, you know, you need me to do. [SPEAKER_01]: But counting how long it is before he responds that is a dig, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, my son is this way and it's because of the brand of ADHD that he has, where it just takes him a long time to like process auditory information.

3:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll give you an answer, but like, you're going to sit there awkwardly for 15 seconds while he thinks through me says something. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering if that's what's going on, where she's interpreting at his him just like being lazy or like not paying attention. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like he has mind just might need to like take some time to process and come up with an answer, which can come off like he's being [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a part where, again, they just met three weeks ago.

4:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They're still trying to get to know each other, which one is your personality, which one is something I can live with or not, are there enough things that cover, not cover, but compensate for this part of your character. [SPEAKER_01]: Then she goes, we haven't even discussed finances. [SPEAKER_01]: As we said in part one, where it's like, she and Erica had a conversation in Erica was like, talk to her about finances.

4:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And she says, I want to be taken care of. [SPEAKER_01]: I want the man to be the main person. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I'm a traditional modern woman. [SPEAKER_01]: What did they talk about in the pods, what did they like why did this should not the reason why you have 10 days in the pods is to iron out all these things and then not iron out put it out on the table in laundry and then when you get out the pods then you iron out any kinks on there, but you at least have the basis of the foundation of what your beliefs are from here.

5:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are we finding out like you just want to be taking care of. [SPEAKER_01]: Now and also I don't even know where to go with this whole I want the man to be the one who pays the money I'm a traditional modern woman which part where are we picking and choosing where we want this to be because this is going to come up again with willy Where it's like I want this somebody else mentioned it like oh Sarah the other women they want to be completely taking care of her mom is like What is that [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, and I listen, I think this is a dream scenario for anybody.

5:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Would I love it if I never had to pay for anything and all my money was disposable income? [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, that sounds great. [SPEAKER_00]: I think anybody would want that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's unrealistic to respect that. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, all of our shared money comes from him. [SPEAKER_00]: And then whatever I have is just like my money.

6:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's not [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the story where it works that way and she makes way more than him. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like, I mean, you want this man to be over here in like a burlap sack all day because you can't afford clothes just make for everything like I don't I again like you I don't know what to talk about in the pots.

6:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea how this never came up how this is like a surprise I don't understand it at all [SPEAKER_01]: That was my annoyance. [SPEAKER_01]: I think my annoyance was like we should not be having this conversation like a week before the wedding or whatever days before the wedding. [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is something that you guys should have talked about.

6:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Cam speaks up. [SPEAKER_01]: He made us speak much, but he's like, I don't know what to tell you. [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot afford to pay $3,000 for rent. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Anything you can get. [SPEAKER_01]: which is fine, but again, like I said last week, what was your plan when you said you wanted to get married?

6:50 [SPEAKER_01]: How much? [SPEAKER_01]: Because surely you did not think that you were going to continue to pay 750 for rent. [SPEAKER_01]: What is your budget for rent? [SPEAKER_01]: How much are you willing to put down for rent? [SPEAKER_01]: What can we do? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where a knee has coming from.

7:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been clear. [SPEAKER_01]: I know what neighborhood I want to live in. [SPEAKER_01]: I know how much I want to put in. [SPEAKER_01]: What neighborhoods are you looking to be? [SPEAKER_01]: What neighborhoods are you flexible to be? [SPEAKER_01]: What is the max that you can do so that we can come up with something?

7:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's look around and see the neighborhoods, let's see what they have with the apartments like since you're the one who can't come up with it and I'm clear of what I want. [SPEAKER_01]: What is your contribution to this conversation? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think I wonder if he's a little bit of an avoidant sort of style where it's just like I don't even want to think I don't I don't want to look at places and then realize the the nicest place I could afford is like a closet we're just standing up like I don't want to confront that reality that had to come to you and say yeah I can't afford to stay on the sidewalk in this neighbor.

7:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but then he goes back to so when you were getting married, what was your plan? [SPEAKER_01]: Where did you think we were going to stay? [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to stay. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to stay. [SPEAKER_01]: We're mookieing them. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is his brother.

7:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all his name, guys. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm mookieing. [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to stay there. [SPEAKER_01]: You have a room to yourself and you share it. [SPEAKER_01]: And then four people live in a house like what was your plan? [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I want to know. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, with that.

8:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So they meet his parents and it's all fun and, you know, and he had done what she does, which I wish you work on is repeat the first words to him, like you need a haircut, you need a piercing, and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see an interview where she's just like, I just be talking like, I just need to feel the silence.

8:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying stuff like I shouldn't have done that. [SPEAKER_00]: That is to say in shit. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need to work on that because when you say stuff, it is about somebody else and they have they just thought that if he was a different kind of person That would be playing over and over and over again and imagine if he said that's her like yeah No, that would mess me up entirely like I would be it would be like you said Replaying in my head the entire time that we're together then I wouldn't be able to get past it because I know why am I insecurities?

8:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, his sister doesn't seem sold. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I felt that way that last time, but even now in the family when they're there, she doesn't necessarily seem all the way soul. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, you like it. [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, she does mention her parents not wanting to be part of this and I think his parents will love me and for those of you who are wondering, I do want to take some time out for this.

9:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you may have noticed like the birthmark on cams dad's face. [SPEAKER_01]: It is called a Port Weinstein birthmark. [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little facts on those. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a permanent flat, vascular birthmark caused by abnormally formed or dilated capillaries under the skin. [SPEAKER_00]: You got it.

9:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The effect, thanks Brian, because Brian never had sex correct me, even though he has the right to, you know, you know, somewhere. [SPEAKER_00]: If you were come with me, it was, it's like, we did. [SPEAKER_01]: He did it last week and it was like, yay, he says there's a real thing. [SPEAKER_01]: They are fact about three in every 1,000 newborns and most commonly appear in the face, neck, scalp, or limbs, 65% of them are on the face or in the neck.

9:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it can change colors. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the intensity of it, like his dad's just pretty much like, [SPEAKER_01]: half of his face and for some, it's just like the cheeks and all that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm only bringing it up because sometimes, again, we all live in our different privileges and even though we think like, oh life is so unfair, which it is, but this is something I was not familiar with.

10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They're probably many other people who did not know this and it's just bringing awareness to things and I appreciate things like that where you know He was on camera. [SPEAKER_01]: He came with it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like he was talked about which they don't have to but I was curious about it And it's something that I learned and I just thought like if anyone else was interested like it's just good to know like you can never hurt from the knowledge [SPEAKER_01]: Valley faculty will knowledge not join and what does the healthiest alcohol and there's no extra stuff but things like that because it just helps and also helps you will be talked about in part one humanity where you know things then you can do something you know

10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's two things about it from me. [SPEAKER_00]: One, the first person that I ever saw with one of these is Michiel Gorbachev, back in the 90s, from the USS R. He had one on top of his head. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I've got a good friend from college who's son is, he's probably like four now.

11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And he had one that was similar to Cam's ad, where it was like probably 40% of his face or so. [SPEAKER_00]: Now they can do like laser treatment to basically make it go away. [SPEAKER_00]: And so he's been since he was like maybe like one he's been he's been going a lot it's gotten a whole lot like more faded out it's still there, but it's like pink now instead of like my room.

11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're there I guess they're just going to keep on going and tell the laser is like break up the capital there isn't and get rid of it, but I don't know how new of a technique that is. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he wasn't a thing when he comes that was little so. [SPEAKER_01]: But from what I read, like you could keep doing like the laser and then it keeps some, it's still coming back.

11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you just have to keep doing it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like the, what is it called for someone who has it? [SPEAKER_01]: I have a whole bunch of them. [SPEAKER_01]: So people call it freckles, but it's not, but like the black. [SPEAKER_01]: things all over. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it just runs in my family and everyone has it over their face and then I've tried lasering and it just came back before.

12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't it's temporary. [SPEAKER_01]: So I assume that it's kind of like to say like he uses it for a bit and it's just like we bet. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Um skin tags. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was trying to remember.

12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Cameron and he had go back after meeting his family and then, you know, they are it is this when they're in the rumble gym with Yeah, and he has like, okay, you like to walk, so I'll just go ahead and do it. [SPEAKER_01]: Because she didn't break a sweat and was like, because she's like, I don't like to.

12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: Fan brings up her comment. [SPEAKER_01]: She does say a lot when she was with the parents and she does mention something about, you know, if I have kids, if I don't, it's also fine. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that worried about kids. [SPEAKER_01]: And Cam was like, yeah, my mom brought that up.

12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she knew for sure without a doubt that she wanted to have kids. [SPEAKER_01]: Great for Cam's mom. [SPEAKER_01]: If you had just concerned about grandparents, let's just say that, let's not say I did. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted everyone's journeys different into another hood. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then he tells her that and she's like, well, if I didn't, I know that you want to have kids if that was a huge concern for me.

13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be here. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here, but I'll tell you this that I'm not willing to carry the kid, but I am willing to drop money for surrogacy or adoption. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, you know, I've told you before that it's a pet peeve of my one people talk about this like surrogacy is like $250 go to the grocery store and you get it.

13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Just pick one out. [SPEAKER_01]: night. [SPEAKER_01]: It's six figures. [SPEAKER_01]: You're out here arguing about apartments. [SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking about, oh, we're just going to drop a surrogacy like, oh, wait, what? [SPEAKER_01]: You're still trying to build your career and do all of that and even adoption.

13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It takes forever. [SPEAKER_01]: You have to fill out this paperwork. [SPEAKER_01]: You have to get to a good place. [SPEAKER_01]: And when they see it, so flippantly, you just kind of, ugh. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and again, what was the conversation in the pods? [SPEAKER_00]: You guys never talked about kids in the pods, not once.

14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, why is this being sprained up until this point? [SPEAKER_00]: You haven't had this conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's getting late in the game, y'all. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like, why is he finding out with his parents that, eh, again, I've kids and then in this conversation where like, I'm not willing to carry the kid.

14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Cam is like, we never talked about this. [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, yeah, because we don't talk about anything. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I put in my notes, what about the pods? [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Why did you guys get, what, what did you guys say? [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, do you want to get married?

14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're whole conversation. [SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing else to do. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Anita does what Anita does best. [SPEAKER_01]: She flips to, I would be a great mom. [SPEAKER_00]: The world's best mom. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, do you sure? [SPEAKER_01]: You? [SPEAKER_01]: She flipped again.

14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, I'm 27 right now. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not willing to have kids on tilt 35. [SPEAKER_01]: Can't let this point just looks defeated. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Why are we ready to fight? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready for the game. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, well, I want to be financially stable.

15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to bring kids and then we have to think about it. [SPEAKER_01]: Like if we live now in the apartment, I want a house. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to work with my career and need to get this. [SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing, again, and here's delivery is terrible, like he talks to him like he's a subordinate.

15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the issue, like here's how we're going to do this. [SPEAKER_01]: This, this, this, this, this, any questions, thoughts or concerns, that's how my meetings end. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where she talks to him after dropping new information. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just, what are we doing?

15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, what happened to caring about what your parents think? [SPEAKER_01]: Now you don't want to have kids and if we're going that culture route, you know for sure that the whole kid's thing is a big thing. [SPEAKER_01]: So what are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a traditional modern woman.

15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not my vibe. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, again, and he has another one. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I remain convinced that she thought in the pods that can was black. [SPEAKER_00]: And that now that he's him, I am unshakable on this. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that she's just like, oh my god, all right, I guess.

16:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm going to try to run him off. [SPEAKER_00]: I think so that I don't look like the bad guy here. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to say insane shit and like treat him kind of bad, but not be abusive so that he can say no. [SPEAKER_00]: And I get to, oh my god, I would have said yes.

16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's her plan for the long run here. [SPEAKER_01]: OK. [SPEAKER_01]: Then we flipped the switch again. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, ah, my, my, I have a flash. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what conversation, what lane we're gonna be on. [SPEAKER_01]: She's not talking about her commute to work is so long.

16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: She does not have a car. [SPEAKER_01]: She still wants to do a surrogacy that's so expensive, but we still have to wear a car. [SPEAKER_01]: We still have to buy a house. [SPEAKER_01]: Has she seen interest rates lately? [SPEAKER_01]: By the time she started crying, we're talking about what?

16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Eight years? [SPEAKER_01]: What are they going to be at that time? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So she says, she doesn't have a car. [SPEAKER_01]: She can't live in Dorchester and commute. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what all these means. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you know. [SPEAKER_00]: I know a little bit about Dorchester.

16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Only from the most Boston episode of Intervention of All-Time. [SPEAKER_00]: where like doorchester looks like like a bit of an economically depressed part of Boston is my impression of it. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in terms of her commute to work and wherever the apartment is right now, I don't know, is it an hour?

17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we talking 28 minutes? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, the logistics of all of that. [SPEAKER_01]: So the solution she came up with is like, she wants to go to her apartment. [SPEAKER_01]: And Cam is like, you started by saying a couple of days. [SPEAKER_01]: Now you're saying you want to go Monday to Thursday.

17:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And here's what I mean by everything feels like a dig. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I know you think a couple means two. [SPEAKER_01]: But for me, it's not, and Cam says it's a couple is literally cute. [SPEAKER_01]: Cam says everyone thinks it's cute. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a couple is literally two, a few are three, several is more than three.

17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I just said, well, I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what I mean by everything is a dick. [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you saying I know you think? [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't think it literally is. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: Cam is just like, [SPEAKER_01]: I can't.

18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing this with you. [SPEAKER_01]: So then he says she lists all the things that she wanted to do. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to hang out with you. [SPEAKER_01]: I changed this. [SPEAKER_01]: I came home, my clean and instead even though I came, I wanted to do all that. [SPEAKER_01]: You wanted to play basketball with Wilson is Wilson in the pots because they kept talking about Wilson like we knew him and I was like, is that the brand of the basketball like what what Wilson what's going on.

18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Wilson, Whitley will me. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God. [SPEAKER_00]: I was supposed to be away from will me for four hours as I can. [SPEAKER_00]: Can you come play some basketball for me? [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: I should absolutely edit this out. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.

18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so dumb. [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't read them, call you out on social media. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I hope I've earned enough social equity because I was like, what is all about this guy like we know that's his boy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm back here.

19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for also saying that out loud. [SPEAKER_00]: I do a play along. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Wilson is. [SPEAKER_00]: I got, I know. [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't let that one slide. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it would have hit me, but I tell him we got to Will ne and Will's and I'm like, oh my god, it was close.

19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he wanted to play basketball with Wilson and now he's presenting as you know, he doesn't want to hang with him and it's like, he's making it seem like it's her fault and she doesn't want to do all the things. [SPEAKER_01]: And I gotta say, I always try to be objective and he has a lot of things, but I can kind of see her point here.

19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's a mess to commute. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to make your work. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to film what trying to do, [SPEAKER_01]: I know how exhausted I am from work, just on a regular day and then you know we have to record and all the things. [SPEAKER_01]: So he has to be a lot.

19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like a logical solution. [SPEAKER_01]: So don't like make me feel bad when I'm trying to come up with a solution. [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't work for you and you could give up your game with Wilson to hang out with me. [SPEAKER_01]: And she also said, I'm not going to my apartment until you go to bed.

20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like even if that's the way I'm and I have to [SPEAKER_01]: Wake up at 4 a.m. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm willing to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: So I got to give her a kudos for that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that is an actual solution. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where her frustration is. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you're not coming up with any plans.

20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming up with solutions. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're still poking holes in the solution. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, what do you want for me? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and really an easy solution could be, okay, the nights that you need distance, adventure apartment, like I'll come over to your apartment for some of that or whatever.

20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So to be in like, you kick it until I fall asleep and then you drive home, how about like we switch off nights or something, you know, do something, but yeah, he didn't have any kind of an idea. [SPEAKER_00]: He just mad at her for not spending that every night. [SPEAKER_01]: So good in her, for actually a time in her grown and same like I just need you to recognize what you said in the beginning, but I was like I just need you to recognize that I am doing everything I can, you know, to make this work and he's just focused on the fact like you're not going to be here and just feels like you're not going to be here and I just need you here.

21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he says, like, you know, the worst of her has fully come out, like, you know, the merit like this, uh, living together, either brings out the best and the worst thing you and the worst of her has fully come out and she has nothing left worse to give. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I hope so.

21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: After the meet-up, like after the meet-up and all that, she did go back to their apartment, she did stay in their apartment, and she ended up, you know, she was late for work, that wasn't else, like, I don't cook that on camera. [SPEAKER_01]: It drives me like, you were late on here and again.

21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, but she's losing up, and she's trying to like adjust, you know, and all that, and I'm like, you know, good for you. [SPEAKER_01]: So again, I don't have a read on, it seems like she actually likes him. [SPEAKER_00]: It does seem that way. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I don't know, so we'll see.

21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Her sister is coming to the wedding, but she needs to know where his head is at before she comes. [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll talk about that, you know, afterwards. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll take a break here and come back talk about Sarah and John. [SPEAKER_01]: And we're back.

22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So Sarah and John, we go to his home, Brian. [SPEAKER_00]: Disgusting, filthy. [SPEAKER_01]: but just based on his fidget loan, I think that's enough grounds to say no. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, for many layers, if you are a grown man who is fine with presenting, making your first impression, me seeing this on camera.

22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: That tells me a lot about your mindset and I want no parts of it. [SPEAKER_01]: I shared that I have it, [SPEAKER_01]: thing, phobia thing about bathrooms. [SPEAKER_01]: It determines a lot of things in my life. [SPEAKER_01]: I stayed in the same dorm room in college because I just couldn't get used to another bathroom.

22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to walk all the way to the university center because it's a whole thing. [SPEAKER_01]: The whole intro to shameless. [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot watch it because it's a bathroom. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a thing. [SPEAKER_01]: I could not look at his bathroom. [SPEAKER_01]: I do not know how bad it is.

23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The minute she was like, oh, I, yes, I do not know what it looks like. [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot do that to myself. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to describe it to you, but it's terrible. [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot believe she sat on his bed. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, it just, I hazard hazard hazard.

23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be out. [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that you don't think that that's important that whoever I come back with, this is it, or even for yourself, that I want to live in a clean environment, that is enough for me to say no. [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. [SPEAKER_01]: In addition to all the other things about John, but this, [SPEAKER_01]: It's it.

23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there is a call of parts about this. [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, I can understand if you are like a messy kind of like a nasty person, it's it's gross to me, but I get their people that are like that. [SPEAKER_00]: If you know someone's coming over to your house. [SPEAKER_00]: with or without a camera crew.

23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You should like clean up the place beforehand. [SPEAKER_00]: And as a part where he's like, yeah, I knew it really bad and you were coming over, but I was like, you know, it is what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, okay, so you had time to address this and shows not to that is a problem.

24:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then the other part, the bigger part from me was the trash can in his bedroom. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the correct way to put this, why were there like white drip streaks? [SPEAKER_00]: on your trash can in the bedroom that I don't know what else that could possibly have been the stains on the black trash can dripping down the lid of your in your bedroom.

24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a trash can in your bedroom? [SPEAKER_00]: No, we have one. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think if I ever have, I don't know that I ever have. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, maybe it's not so terrible, but I shouldn't be so strongly about it, but it's not for me. [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the bathrooms.

24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a weird thing, but yeah, another thing mentioned it, I don't think I ever have. [SPEAKER_01]: Why would I have a trash like, it's just like, I can walk and get up whatever it is I have to throw away. [SPEAKER_01]: And oh my God, don't give me a trash. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't even like, it wasn't even like a bathroom trash and I'm like, get your trash can.

25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it was like 20. [SPEAKER_00]: with presuming to see him and stands on it. [SPEAKER_01]: Brian, see, I'm trying to make it through. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to make, I didn't even see it. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my, I'm trying to make it through. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even look at it or anything.

25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: His solution was he turned it around so we could not see the stands as let it fix the problem. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, because we hear forever. [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I didn't see the bathroom thing. [SPEAKER_01]: I did hear her say, do you feel clean when you get out?

25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how bad it was. [SPEAKER_00]: We said, I don't, I don't clean the shower. [SPEAKER_00]: The shower cleans me. [SPEAKER_00]: Nope. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a mutual relationship, man. [SPEAKER_00]: You got to clean that shower, too. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, which makes me think like if he has like a shower curtain and he has the liner, it's probably like all molded and during T it is moving on.

25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big farmer has this in the soap. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: big deal for her. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thankful that she is concerned about how gross they are because she's like oh so are you ever gonna clean and then but then she doesn't actually like the he's my thing is Sarah like the whole tiptoeing and not being direct which is funny because when they meet her family they say she's has the edge but I need to get there.

26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he's like, oh, you know, how we're man, we have the mental load. [SPEAKER_01]: We have to, I was like, please, let's focus on one thing at a time. [SPEAKER_01]: There's mental load and there's like you being a disgusting human being that I'm having sex with too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You.

26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, when she talks about the mental load, John, I tried to tune John out a lot, but I did catch him saying like, uh, you guys are the nesters. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_01]: Except he said you got Blake when they when they sit on the bed which I assume like if you put a black like we'll probably be Discussing he keeps going on and on because this man.

26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like he likes attention like Woe is me attention. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like I just feel so guilty that my apartment is so gross. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like do you though Do fix it them. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you do I don't spend three hours cleaning this up [SPEAKER_01]: They go meet her family, including her twin sister, her twin sister is a delight.

27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know Sarah and her twin sisters are both delight 11 both. [SPEAKER_01]: So two of them are awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: Great. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm almost great to and her step. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on is like. [SPEAKER_01]: When they're talking about, you don't have to talk about finances.

27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If you talk about stuff, and they're like, yes, they have. [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, I have four daughters. [SPEAKER_01]: Have we talked about women's health? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you believe in it? [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, when it's talk about the finances, and he was like, um, oh, I already mentioned it about paying for everything and Sarah was like, you know, some of the women don't believe in the mom was like, oh, God, she asked if he was a registered voter, if he believes the women's health, and I'm like, okay, that was a very pointed question.

27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Matt. [SPEAKER_01]: I like it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's what I want to. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because I want to them coming into this family is basically what she would say it. [SPEAKER_01]: But if she was prompted or guided to us that question, I will be concerned. [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you want me to ask that question?

28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I will it depends it was it was production guiding her or if it was different. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it was Sarah guided her. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think. [SPEAKER_00]: Sarah would know what's a great setup. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it's production, it's kind of like, let's see if we can get him to fuck it up again.

28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because answer wrong in a second. [SPEAKER_01]: I know girl was like, oh, production is as big bad rule for whatever my thought is just like, oh, he's coming over. [SPEAKER_01]: What are some things that you think are important? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you care about, you know, politics, voters like, oh, yeah, I do care.

28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, as a voter, like, until they have daughters, they're okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's maybe ask, you know, that question just to see, you know, just make sure to get it all up. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, wait, that's my thought. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, now. [SPEAKER_01]: that came up because none of the other people who have met the parents have, you know, asked any of that and then all of a sudden it's like, are you a registered voter?

28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, no, and I was like, I don't know, he might, no, he said yes, but next question is like, did you vote? [SPEAKER_01]: Because did you vote? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: was less time. [SPEAKER_01]: He said absolutely not, but he's side steps to answer. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he said about the women's health.

29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know Sarah steps in again with the whole, we've had those conversations and that's a good thing. [SPEAKER_01]: We get to talk and he's like, people are so extreme on either side of it all. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I am extreme on one side of it. [SPEAKER_00]: I personally am.

29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And my wife is too. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, we're raising our son to also be that way. [SPEAKER_01]: So he shares his MS diagnosis, like, oh, he just wants to let them know. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I think that's cute that you think Sarah has mentioned that at all. [SPEAKER_01]: He also mentioned like the eye issue, but her family is so great because they talked about their grandma, who'd had it, and you know, she's 82, she still does her workouts, and is still going on.

29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They talked about the eye issue, and then they were like, oh, her stepdad, he got into an accident too, and then he got into Sarah's, like, did you get rid of the bike or? [SPEAKER_01]: Like what? [SPEAKER_01]: Like I never knew that happened. [SPEAKER_01]: So tell me if you felt a sweet brand.

30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: This is weird. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not putting it on him was just my read. [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of felt like John was deflated that it wasn't much of a big deal and like he's thunderous to live from like [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I have this, I have that and everyone was like, oh, please, that's, you know, that's the light work for us on this.

30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it's well, because blind over here, like they did not seem to care at all. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think he was a little bit like, oh, shit, that was kind of my comfort. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Because he gives, you know, when he was the first batch of episodes were worried about his, you know, insecurity, like, oh, and where glass is like, you know, I never know what I, he just seems all.

30:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Victim hood. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that sounds me. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little sad sack. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like so when do I like oh, yeah, it's fine Like we'll be okay, and then yeah, he's like yeah, he didn't know where to go from there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah And that's cool.

31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you guys would get mad or something yeah like a reaction or something not right you know every day stuff But how long things that John is great and I'm like Okay, okay Okay, I don't I don't see it, but I'm not married him, so I [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Eric and Blake, demeaning his parents and his parents have reservations about the whole thing, but [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, sir, Blake, what car are you driving?

31:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You are driving? [SPEAKER_01]: It's Tesla. [SPEAKER_01]: I know you are cars. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's more of a multiple cars. [SPEAKER_01]: You're so comfortable, so comfortable in it. [SPEAKER_01]: And so he's like, the questions might be harder because we're going to be off-camera, but I will bodyguard you and it's not like I think Blake is serious.

31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I still think he just wants to see what he feels like to. [SPEAKER_01]: Pretend like you're a serious adult wants to get me, but any who could take tips like you got a backup your person when they're going to be your family. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: So he says like he's I think he's one of his parents asked his dad as if he was brainwashed.

32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no answer. [SPEAKER_00]: You can give me that question, ma'am. [SPEAKER_01]: They I think we didn't get to see the visit because again, it was off camera. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it will. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so they have a little of the conversation after, you know, the visit and how we went.

32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's not talking about kids and she's like, you know, if we have kids in three years, it's a too soon. [SPEAKER_01]: And Blake is waffling. [SPEAKER_01]: He's still thinking about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Shaking. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, Erica trusted like ground him and it's like, you're gonna be 40 in three years.

32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what you're thinking about. [SPEAKER_01]: All you've done is talk about kids. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, oh, and then somehow he flips it and is like, yeah, maybe kids are not in the cards for me. [SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, you're scaring me. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what do you feel?

32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He feels like, yep. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's like, well, under 18, I'll be 58. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, huh, I never thought about that. [SPEAKER_01]: But all you've talked about from the pods or kids. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you, and this is the part of this that irritates me when we have these conversations.

33:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, if you're somebody that wants to have kids, [SPEAKER_00]: then you need to understand the timeline, not just of like when they're 18, I'll be whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: But also, you might not be able to get pregnant right away. [SPEAKER_00]: This might take three months, it might take six, it might take over a year.

33:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a whole thought process of, oh, we'll just do it at this time. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's not necessarily how this works. [SPEAKER_00]: And then, [SPEAKER_00]: you know, beyond that I talked to my wife and I'm like, we were together for just about three years when she got pregnant.

33:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, like me, it might have been like almost four. [SPEAKER_00]: It was almost four years when she got pregnant. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's talking like, oh my god, three years, that's so soon. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, that's a pretty standard timeline. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, I mean, if you're, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, especially if you're going to be married for that whole three years, like that's not super fast and I think it's one of those things where he's like I've always kind of thought about it in an abstract way and not what you thought about it like concretely of Oh, this is like coming a lot sooner than maybe I had always just imagined it to be, but I'm like man, she's being fully logical here and you're talking about crazy person right now.

34:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, it's cost playing. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not, he's just going to think what it feels like to be an adult. [SPEAKER_01]: But also him just telling you like, I haven't thought about kids. [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about it in an abstract way, but you're talking to your fiance.

34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're talking like, you don't have a person you're going to have kids with. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just like, oh, if I do this, if I know there's a person here that you're allegedly going to get married to, it's just, he's just really stressed out kids in three years. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just like, I am scared.

34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on right now, but I think about it. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I mean, I guess kids in three years. [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, okay, kids in three years. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, all right. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Erica gets to meet Blake's friends. [SPEAKER_01]: Complete opposite of Rob.

35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It is all women. [SPEAKER_01]: The friend says, it's great to meet you. [SPEAKER_01]: Have you guys talked about the difference? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried about when the ocean starts calling him. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, do you mind, do you care living in St. Thomas and then she says the listing all the bad things about living in St. Thomas even though she lives there and it shouldn't to live there.

35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no direct face to Boston. [SPEAKER_01]: The power is not that great. [SPEAKER_01]: The healthcare is not that great to put your kids in school is going to be 20,000. [SPEAKER_01]: You got to do all the things and then you just bring up all the negatives. [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be on charter all this women through themselves at him.

35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They have to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: Brian, I was pissed. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was, but these are real concerns that he clearly has not discussed with her at all. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the friends were kind of like, look, man, if this is really gonna work, like you have to know what you're getting into and almost kind of felt like Blake has not let you know what life is really gonna be like.

36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's not explained to you, these are the things you're gonna have to really deal with [SPEAKER_00]: which shame on him for not like keeping her a pace of what's going on. [SPEAKER_00]: But it didn't feel like these friends were like trying to sabotage or like I don't like you. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna ruin it.

36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was just like, okay, so Blake hasn't discussed anything with you. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me clue you in on all the shit you're actually agreeing to because he's not telling you. [SPEAKER_01]: I think they were trying to sabotage I just that was not my like I was with you like I understand bringing up things but again delivery matters tone matters this was just looking like no you're not going to do that and it was just like it's overwhelming you're meeting someone you're trying to meet his friends they're all women like you mean good and Erica it's not even a thing like oh my god all your friends are just women and things like that that wasn't even a thing [SPEAKER_01]: But then you come in there and then you just bring all the negatives like at least balance it out like oh, but you live there.

37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: What are the things you like about living there start with that and then say like the things to consider I'll say like it's not like you can be worked through. [SPEAKER_01]: But some of the things I think like you know people find difficult as like you know it's kind of hard with the power, but you know we have generators, but sometimes it doesn't, but you know you could get it will be a little difficult for you to adjust to the health care is in grade like used to be fun when we had direct flights, but [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe you could come back and forth.

37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be tasking, but it's doable. [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, better get used to lay over us. [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha something, but no. [SPEAKER_01]: This is like this and this and that and this. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, you know, the tone and just was all negativity. [SPEAKER_01]: If that's not sabotage, I don't know what that is.

37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to put if you're trying to present something in a good way and present hope. [SPEAKER_01]: That's trying to be helpful. [SPEAKER_01]: But when you're bringing up just negative nothing else, you are trying to sabotage. [SPEAKER_01]: You think that we're just going to leave that conversation about you know what?

38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I really want to go to this end office. [SPEAKER_00]: That is true. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't. [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like I'm not sure if she went into it planning for it to go that way, but then once it started, it was like a whole runaway train. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, and another thing.

38:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The schools are so expensive. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, oh, shit. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the other part of it if I want to give benefit of the doubt is maybe they know their friend and they're like me Where I feel like he's just playing pretend and you're just trying to be like he's not like you know looking out for you girl Like it's all great and all but knowing who he is it's probably a good idea But again, there's a way to deliver that like I just want you to know you know some of these things like I'm sure Blake has made it seem like a good thing You know he's a man, you know how they are and then yeah, so the diary is something but that's how it was but [SPEAKER_01]: You know, um, Erica had to go to the bathroom because they always all have to go to the bathroom.

38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a chance for them to talk. [SPEAKER_01]: And the one friend was like, oh, I love her, but you know, she does has no idea how it's going to be like to live this alternate lifestyle. [SPEAKER_01]: And the one friend who was the roommate of the sister, the one that's pissing me off, anything she's all bad energy.

39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she goes, [SPEAKER_01]: So you're getting married in two weeks, so is there gonna be a wedding and it goes yeah, like I love her so much And it was like so you love her so she's more important than the people in Santamas the fuck does that mean Brian? [SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?

39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Honest of God, yes, because I want to marry her or not you so yes, she is more important than you guys, but also why you're bringing this up [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the way she said it more important than people like again, maybe what I'm guessing because somebody else is like they think Netflix is a joke We're in season 11 take that up with your friend your friend decided to do this if you thought it was a joke.

39:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you here? [SPEAKER_01]: Why on camera? [SPEAKER_01]: He just find someone who's available So don't come here and just be like a terrible person and in the name of I'm just being honest and I just wanted to know But her just saying More important than the people in Santomas. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, he went on there to find a wife and that was what was gonna [SPEAKER_01]: Happen and also here's my peck peeve of everything going on with Eric and Blake everyone keeps grilling Erica Are you gonna move but you're gonna do this and she is being flexible right because her job is remote Yes, I'll do this.

40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll do a few weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Blake saying who doesn't want to be in Europe even though he's not gonna be there. [SPEAKER_01]: Although do you watch below deck? [SPEAKER_00]: I dabble. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because the last below deck met Mead Nate was around and then he had [SPEAKER_01]: his girlfriend and his son in an Airbnb and he would be chartered and the nights off he would go be with them.

40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I imagine like that was what's going to be which I was like, okay, that's not too terrible, but I don't know what his situation is, and if that's possible. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, honestly, Blake, are you trying to bring her over to just sit in an apartment? [SPEAKER_01]: And wait for you when she has this perfectly paid for and done so I do see your point in that the realistic like hey, is this even feasible or not, but it's just the way that it was done, but no one is grilling Blake on you're the one who claims you want to be married, you want to have kids, why is no one asking him to adjust his lifestyle and everyone's getting on Erica like, oh, you need to do this, you need to do that, but how about the guy?

41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, and I'm wondering if it's because she's been swapped front that like her career is remote. [SPEAKER_00]: She can do it from wherever and they're kind of like, okay, so nothing to adjust for you. [SPEAKER_00]: He can't drive a boat anywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: He has to be in certain parts of the world.

41:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But why are we not addressing, hey, man? [SPEAKER_00]: do you have to be a boat captain? [SPEAKER_00]: Like is that? [SPEAKER_00]: Is that, I don't know if you're, if that's like your only interest in life, if that's the only job you ever wanted to have, that kind of a thing, which if that's the case, okay, cool, go on a different show where that's the premise of the show.

41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Brian is the same thing I've been asking since last time. [SPEAKER_01]: What is the plan? [SPEAKER_01]: None of these men came with a plan? [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a plan and let's see what we can, what's flexible or what's not. [SPEAKER_01]: but stop me and I never agree to him because he's always been watching nothing about everything he says sounds like stability.

42:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So if that's what you're looking for, that is not your man, but also what are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't just come in here and you want her to fit into your life. [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to give you a car to drive a house to stay in like he's do something. [SPEAKER_01]: To wrap this up, that one friend also finally ends it by saying there's no Russian life.

42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no rush to have kids except [SPEAKER_00]: So her. [SPEAKER_00]: Woof. [SPEAKER_00]: Brian. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't hot into her for that. [SPEAKER_01]: I told you. [SPEAKER_01]: I told you, like, nope, nope. [SPEAKER_01]: It was bad vibes. [SPEAKER_01]: Bad vibes all around with that.

42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but to me fair, Blake was tending up for her and all that. [SPEAKER_01]: So, it's just like, I guess, because, but it's all right. [SPEAKER_01]: But take a quick break and we'll be right back. [SPEAKER_01]: And we're back. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll need Anne Wilson. [SPEAKER_00]: There it is.

42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Wilson is. [SPEAKER_00]: How we know. [SPEAKER_01]: They're just having conversations. [SPEAKER_01]: Tech conversations bore me. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have, they're into each other. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they like each other. [SPEAKER_01]: Will he does the job's thing to Wilson and Smiling?

43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's really, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: So they just exist on my screen, but apparently she wakes him up at night. [SPEAKER_01]: She sleep talks. [SPEAKER_01]: He talks, she does all the things. [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, yeah, you just wake me up. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, if you gave me affection during the day, maybe I will wake you up at night for affection.

43:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's not what's going on, I don't think. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my wife sleep talks and it's nonsense and I've gotten accustomed to just being like, yep, and then she'll go to sleep. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I answer whatever the words are real words. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't belong in that order and they don't mean anything.

43:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, when it happened, she is looking at me directly in the eyes. [SPEAKER_00]: She's sitting up and I'm like, yep, and this is okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Good. [SPEAKER_00]: And then she falls back asleep. [SPEAKER_00]: Just learn how to deal with that, man. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's annoying.

43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, [SPEAKER_01]: But here's what I always tell you, Brian. [SPEAKER_01]: You've had years of your life. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've got to use to this three weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's where they are on there. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the difference. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's going to take time for them to get there.

44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I don't even, to me, this was there with nothing burger. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they're showing us this. [SPEAKER_01]: What do we do with that information? [SPEAKER_01]: OK. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, that's why me like it was just boring. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to do with that.

44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: There are dogs in meeting in public, and Wilson's dog was a little, um, excitable. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's good that they met in public. [SPEAKER_01]: They meet his parents. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's ever mentioned where his parents are from. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

44:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm guessing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know which one. [SPEAKER_00]: There was definitely an accent. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was trying to like think of what the names could be because I think his dad was like New Celio.

44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, okay, that feels like maybe like a Spanish-speaking island, but I have no idea. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, his mom just won't stop crying. [SPEAKER_01]: His mom is just crying. [SPEAKER_01]: That makes Wilson cry. [SPEAKER_01]: And Wilson just won't, I didn't even realize he was crying.

44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he just kept crying. [SPEAKER_01]: His mom was like, oh, this came so quick and so fast. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's staring dead into Wilson's eyes. [SPEAKER_01]: And saying, I'm happy for both of you. [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be my daughter-in-law. [SPEAKER_01]: So I have to support you guys.

45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Does it interesting choice of words? [SPEAKER_01]: Dad very speaks. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just there until mom was like Do you have anything to say and he's like I wish you guys good luck These are well-served parents like it is well-served and the mom says I'm open to you guys Whatever you guys need I'm always here Will he's just going on and on about I didn't really talking about stuff and mom was like, yep Sure, as she looks Wilson's dead straight in the eyes and this meet-up was weird.

45:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I [SPEAKER_01]: There's no other way to put it on paper. [SPEAKER_01]: It went well like there's nothing you can say was terrible or anything, but the vibes were off my interpretation and you can tell me where you feel. [SPEAKER_01]: I was getting boy mom from Wilson's mom. [SPEAKER_00]: I think a little bit.

46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: These moms who take their sons or their boy friends, the loves of their life, and she's like, oh, I have to let him go, where is he going? [SPEAKER_01]: He's getting married. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not like. [SPEAKER_01]: disappearing from your life. [SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing, I think Willie didn't know what to do with it because she's like, oh, he's crying.

46:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that she didn't even like put a arm and like run a shack or say it's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Like she was just like, and you look bewildered. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, what is going on here? [SPEAKER_01]: Like I understand how she could be the career but the whole thing was off. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and also, when I see that kind of interaction, I often wonder, like, are you from a family that doesn't cry very much? [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're from a family that doesn't really spend some motion, and you have two people to openly weeping throughout an entire meal, you're kind of like, I don't know what to do out, know how to act.

46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: This is so bizarre to me. [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be weird for me, like we don't know from a family that hides a motion or anything, but like, I cry easily. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, I don't want it to last for a whole meal. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, a couple of minutes in the beginning to be cut it off and move on with our day.

47:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was what was weird was like that means let's show emotions yet they're close to each other but it just it didn't stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Stop. [SPEAKER_00]: We kept on. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It was it was a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So that was that. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.

47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They go wedding dress shopping. [SPEAKER_01]: The guys are talking about how it's so surprising to not see Rob and I'm like, did you not see what happened at the bar? [SPEAKER_00]: It's surprising. [SPEAKER_00]: We're relieving. [SPEAKER_01]: You thought she should still go ahead with it.

47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Blake is sharing how they went out the other night and then another one of their friends joined and He keeps saying my girlfriends. [SPEAKER_01]: Was it golf friends? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're girlfriends. [SPEAKER_01]: I was girlfriend. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't ever say that I get almost all my friends here a woman.

47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I would never call anything my girlfriend Yeah, they're the girlfriends and then there was another one of them and then she absolutely would not talk to Erica [SPEAKER_01]: And she was saying, why are you participating in this shit show, and I'm like, okay, now we're getting gross. [SPEAKER_01]: So we already have those friends who came after her now we have one who's like, I'm absolutely why do they have this.

48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Ownership over why do they feel they're entitled to him this way. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: And then come up sister, he's blood sisters, even his brother is not acting that way. [SPEAKER_01]: So what is happening right now. [SPEAKER_01]: And then John, John the Creeple says, you know, because Blake keeps saying like, Erica is very mature, she didn't really say, like, you know, she had a little bit very well.

48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And John is like, you know, we kept talking about dating girls over 30 and we're like, why haven't we done this? [SPEAKER_00]: Disgusting. [SPEAKER_00]: Disgusting. [SPEAKER_00]: Mano's fear has ruined these men. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got one of my girlfriends out here. [SPEAKER_00]: She had a date recently with a guy.

48:45 [SPEAKER_00]: She's 41. [SPEAKER_00]: His last girlfriend was 24. [SPEAKER_00]: And she said that the entire dinner conversation was just him, like, [SPEAKER_00]: being shocked and impressed at like what a difference it is being on a date with somebody who's 41 compared to somebody who's 24 and she was she had to tell him eventually she's like I understand you think you're giving me compliments you're giving me the creeps because all I'm thinking about is why were you with someone who was 24?

49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't it bother you that you couldn't hold a regular conversation with that person? [SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't it bother you that like [SPEAKER_00]: their emotions were a whole different scale than I think he was like 45. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like, no, I'm I'm ending this date because you are creeping me out as an old ass man who apparently only dates girls fresh out of college.

49:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I had the same feeling with the use. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, yeah, it is going to feel really different to data woman who is your age and at your same area in life. [SPEAKER_00]: Why weren't you doing this before? [SPEAKER_01]: It's just gross. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the things that come out in your mouth, like, you know, yeah, um, earlier we saw that Blake's parents were not really on board, but then we see Blake's dad.

49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He was on camera and he came for the talks, um, shopping. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I like her. [SPEAKER_01]: It's more important that, you know, my wife likes her, which she does. [SPEAKER_01]: They've had conversations that more than we've had in our 30 years of marriage, I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just like, if the parents like her, then after them sisters, they're not even blood sister.

50:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Ugh. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: They're not blood sisters. [SPEAKER_00]: They live in a whole other country. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: That is so terrible, but they're still there. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Wilson says he met someone who got him to a sentimental place, which is usually not, which is the other thing.

50:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Brian, remember, they're crying, but he's saying like, they're usually not sentimental. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if she is like, wait, I thought you guys were not sentimental, but now we're not so crying. [SPEAKER_01]: What is happening? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you don't let your emotions out, then when they come out, you can't stop them.

50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So this keeps on going. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so they picked their tuxes, they can will center in blue from what I saw John and Cameron black could be my eyes, but that's what I saw over on the girl side. [SPEAKER_01]: They're talking about Michaela saying like she deserves more and I'm like, you guys stop talking about him on camera.

51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to crash out because you're chirping chirping. [SPEAKER_01]: Erica shares about what happened with Blake's friends and she said while they were talking she was just like okay let's just call it because if it's so terrible let's just do it will these family is all like I like him because what's a next wife Vanessa comes out and is all like [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I thought she got her fashion together, but this one, the... Oh, she was dressed up like David Burnt and talking heads.

51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the biggest jacket you've ever seen in your life. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a giant box blazer. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a box blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer.

51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a giant box blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a box blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer.

51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a blazer.

52:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob, you've got to do, um, and you have again throws a little shade about how he talks slow and how she said she hated him, but she loves him now and like you didn't have to sail that. [SPEAKER_00]: Just, I, this is none of my business. [SPEAKER_01]: And something I noticed about Nia and me, I would at every opportunity where an outfit that is a belly bearing outfit that shows belly and even now on here she's wearing a cut out dress just to show that she's staying consistent throughout all of the scenes that we see her in.

52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So they try in their dresses. [SPEAKER_01]: I like their girls. [SPEAKER_01]: I like the back is really nice. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll need to try two dresses and it's crying and she doesn't like them. [SPEAKER_01]: she doesn't feel her best in them, and she's absolutely right. [SPEAKER_01]: Those two dresses were not it at all.

52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Then she has the final one. [SPEAKER_01]: She was apologizing. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry for being a bride and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: She's been doing videos lately. [SPEAKER_01]: She's talking about [SPEAKER_01]: her stuff life, her winning the stuff life, and then buying, I think it was the designer bags that she says she likes.

53:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, black people are not a monolith. [SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't expect to the same thing all the time. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Wilson had a whole video to saying like people on the internet think I want to made and he's doing it. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't get it. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not even actually coffee.

53:26 [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much creamer in it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's creamer with a side of coffee as far as I'm concerned. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, on there. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, they're having fun, I guess, because the NDAs on these shows are terrible now. [SPEAKER_00]: A joke. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, one takes Sarah.

53:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Sarah only tried on one dress. [SPEAKER_01]: It was really cute because she's great. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: Still hoping she says no on wedding day. [SPEAKER_00]: She, yeah, she needs to. [SPEAKER_01]: And he had come, she already had her own dress. [SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't going to weather traditional.

53:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Why she was going to wear her lenga? [SPEAKER_01]: And then she explains that to everybody else, what it means in the culture. [SPEAKER_01]: Usually you're supposed to wear a veil. [SPEAKER_01]: She's not wearing a veil because she's a modern person when she chooses to be. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.

54:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have seen people online who were familiar with the culture say like the minute they saw the color of her lenga and the length that she is not absolutely not getting married. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's me Red, it's supposed to be red. [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, I mean, but she says she's modern and it's not her vibe and she went great on her.

54:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, then she goes, how her mom has never said I love you and she feels like if her mom could be here, her mom would cry and she would actually say I love you and actually she said I would get that bitch to cry. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And to that, my mom would be like, you said, what about me on TV?

54:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And he has unique. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, why she was giving us a very long speech. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

54:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

54:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Her sister! [SPEAKER_00]: Even if it was one of the other women from the pod square, that you being able to do good friend goals on the show or something, somebody else should be there.

55:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was just, instead we have to listen to a very long speech because, I don't know, all right. [SPEAKER_01]: So Sarah and John, they meet her dad because her dad and her mom are not together, so it was her dad and her step mom. [SPEAKER_01]: And I could be tripping, but he feels like John has now demir.

55:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say the light is going out of his eyes, but he's just, I don't know, little more chill or something. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder if it was almost like he had a lot of nervous energy in the DG news comfortable now, so you can kind of settle in because the way they keeps his house is not a man that has like anxiety or like high energy.

55:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So more people just like, yeah, I mean, I can finally hear us like chill now. [SPEAKER_00]: These web pants on or whatever, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Her dad doesn't want to be on camera, but the visit went very well. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's what they call their final date before the wedding, but they're not explicitly calling it that, but they go to the zoo, they kiss the seals, and then we find out that John's dad, he went to the emergency room and he turned out he had a collapsed lung.

56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like his dad won't be able to be at the wedding, that was gonna be his best man and things, just kind of like, you know, he's sad about that. [SPEAKER_01]: a lot was happening and the Tony with John was saying it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, this is a big deal. [SPEAKER_01]: Like said he was going to be okay, but it was so casual.

56:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's no other way. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying he should be in hysterics or anything, but [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I was just like, oh my god, that did this come out of nowhere was he say, I, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know how you just like suddenly have a collapse long, but it feels like, I mean, to me, and I am, I am not a professional, of course, I draw pictures that I can't do math and science, but [SPEAKER_00]: Whenever I hear that, I'm like, oh, like something he hit you in the chest, like something had to happen to your lung for it to collapse, I don't know if back and just like happen from an illness or whatever, I have no idea, but it sounds a lot more serious than he kind of was letting on.

57:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm often wondering if that's because he has been through such health conditions on his own, but he's kind of like, okay, like he's going to be fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Seize is going to be okay, I'm going to trust that he's going to be fine and he's in the right place and whatever, I just don't [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wonder if a club's like flew it in the lungs or something like that.

57:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm wondering if I remember if you could better something and things like that. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but also John, see this is the people that are helping your family, the medical professionals who know what they're doing, trust them. [SPEAKER_01]: So, but also, I did have the thought, like does this mean there's a possibility John might say no because he wants his dad to be at the wedding and he doesn't want to have any of his dad is not going to be around.

57:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I can say it's so serious as no first. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, because they do a puzzle with their picture and all that. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, really a Wilson's. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is there. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they're in the kitchen. [SPEAKER_01]: They were in the kitchen or doing something and she was asking, he was cooking.

58:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's asking like, are you gonna cook for me every day? [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, no, I'm not going to do. [SPEAKER_01]: We can split 50, 50. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh, you just want me to cook for you and I'm not gonna do that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where you stand on this willny Wilson situation.

58:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, let me go through their rooftop and then we'll talk about that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: If he really has an issue with her, not wanting to cook or not, like I don't know what's your joke, but they were in a rooftop, which is, again, I think their final date. [SPEAKER_01]: He planned this romantic dinner for them.

58:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, did you know, like, I was afraid of heights? [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, you're afraid of heights? [SPEAKER_01]: Again, pod. [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and her answer was, I'm not afraid of heights. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm afraid of falling. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the scary part about heights.

58:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what makes it scary. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, they're doing the, I love you. [SPEAKER_01]: I want this to work. [SPEAKER_01]: He does not answer. [SPEAKER_01]: I love you, Pat. [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he says this is wild. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know.

59:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She's fishing for compliments, which I think he's not giving her because they looked at the view and she was like, so pretty. [SPEAKER_01]: Just like me, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Wilson? [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah, I'm like, oh, so he asked her what she's looking forward to. [SPEAKER_01]: She said she's looking forward to being out of the uncertainty of where everything lies.

59:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, okay, that being said, are you receiving everything that you want, how's it going? [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, absolutely, she's like, no. [SPEAKER_01]: She goes no she goes no I am not you don't show me your affection You want me to be nurturing you want me to work you want me to be traditional He's like I've never asked you to do it any of these things no she goes yeah I know you haven't but I feel the pressure and he goes I don't even ask you to do any of that I'm just like yeah, but the expectation is there.

59:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like what what? [SPEAKER_01]: Then he goes, he should say what he means is like, if he's doing it, then that means that he's expecting that she'll do some to and they'll have to share in that. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she's like, yeah, me wanting to be with you has nothing to do with physical intimacy.

1:00:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, no, it just has to do with the complete relationship. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't just, anyways, my own point is like, no, [SPEAKER_01]: It's going nowhere, but I don't know, where do you stand on this battle? [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's trying to set expectations, like, I'm not going to be, you know, going to come home to like a hot meal, I'm not going to be doing all that, like, I'm not going to be thinking about you better Uber eats if you put food, if that's the thing, and he's just saying, like, but you're fine when I do it.

1:00:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But if I'm doing it, I can't do it the same way you don't want to do it 24-7. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do it 24-7. [SPEAKER_01]: I want us to split it, but you're making it sound like that's a ridiculous ask and I don't want to accidentally support a man. [SPEAKER_01]: But that's where I'm like, where are you?

1:01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: What is your interpretation of what he's saying and where are we going with this? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the whole this whole fight to me. [SPEAKER_00]: It felt like when you asked him, hey man, how are you doing? [SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to go, I'm good. [SPEAKER_00]: And said, I've been with my mom a sick, I lost my job.

1:01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've twisted my ankle the other thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I was just asking, I think when he was asked, like, are you getting everything that you want? [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't expecting a real answer. [SPEAKER_00]: He was waiting for it. [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, yeah, I'm happy. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, no.

1:01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's my whole list. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to break it down for you. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he wasn't prepared to answer any of this. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, [SPEAKER_00]: wait what what's going on like he didn't seem like he was it was like he was trying to play catch up the whole time and just never quite get his footing under him yeah but then what do you think is the like in the actual well in their in their actual dispute i think i think he does want [SPEAKER_00]: like a 50-50 division of things is kind of what he has in mind.

1:02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know why she is surprised by this other than they must not have discussed it ever before, which is a weird problem that is going around a lot this season. [SPEAKER_01]: But can I say, going back to the beginning, when he said it was like in the pods, what part of what he was attracted to, was she said like, you know, I'm independent, I can do all of this, I don't know, that's, but now when they came out the pods, all of a sudden she's playing helpless.

1:02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: like yeah any of these things and he's just like I don't mind doing the things but when it becomes her expectation for him is I don't want you to think me to do all these things but I want you to do all the things so yeah it's an impossible situation to be in because also it doesn't feel like she has voiced to him I want you to do all these things until this moment.

1:02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Or that she voiced to him, I feel like you want me to do all these things you're putting all this on because he's just like, where is that coming from? [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't tell you that. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what it is with these two. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't we have said it before.

1:03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they're actually into each other or not. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I have the hardest time analyzing their interactions and understanding what is happening because I just don't get it. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I don't know what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I wish I had a better answer.

1:03:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I used to have a good to say I got nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: I am so lost on these two. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, I break up because the thing is she's not wrong in that he's not saying it, but the expectation is there. [SPEAKER_01]: She can read between the lines that, hey, I'm not asking you to, but if you did do it, that would be great.

1:03:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love for that, but just because you're not saying it, um, [SPEAKER_01]: It's still some form of communication, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: But he lastly, it's still a sit of an AHA. [SPEAKER_00]: Where it's like, oh, I'm not going to tell him I want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, no, I want him to do all these things.

1:03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that doesn't work in any relationship. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care who you are. [SPEAKER_00]: If you want something and you're not receiving it, you cannot then be resentful and angry at your partner for not giving you what they didn't know you wanted. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of how this whole thing feels.

1:04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Where it's just like, [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like he wants something that he's not telling her. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's acting like rude about it or like, you know, being mean to her about it. [SPEAKER_00]: But she can tell that he wants this. [SPEAKER_00]: She clearly has a list of things that she wants that she's not getting and she's not telling him.

1:04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but also, I don't think that she's walking around angry about it either, so I'm just like, yeah, just have a conversation with your partner, sit down to that talk. [SPEAKER_01]: But that's all they do is talk because I literally put in my nose. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't read these two because I don't know if they're in love or if they're dissatisfied with each other because then the flip side after they went with like my conversation of you is not because of what you can do is not the physical intimacy.

1:04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Then they flip it and know like what you know what we're doing it. [SPEAKER_01]: We've handled this so well. [SPEAKER_01]: We communicate so well. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: They're deep ends with her closing off with, like, I'm so glad you're not short and ugly.

1:05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, you know what? [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: They like each other. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just stick with that. [SPEAKER_01]: And A&Kam, she face times with her sister who wants to meet Cam and she does tell her, you know, don't be mean to him. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, A&K, we're getting something with that.

1:05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we find out that Cam wants to meet her sister off camera. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I can understand why. [SPEAKER_01]: My guess is I think Cam is going to ask like, you know, questions, culture, all the other stuff, and since they're already feels like protective about her parents, I'm not trying to make them look bad or anything, but I just want it like a deeper understanding, let's just do this off camera, respect them and they should just keep it that way.

1:05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing to me, I think so. [SPEAKER_00]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever they go visit and they just come back and say, oh, they went, well, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, we're done with the visit and we see him say like, you know, he likes her sister, she's like, why she's like, oh, she defended me, she stood up for me for, I don't know what it is, and then, and I was like, yeah, my sister is like you, like, you know, you're both laid back and, you know, all the stuff, and then she made a comment like, are you saying you prefer my sister, oh my God, I'm not saying that, but yes, I [SPEAKER_01]: You can tell Cam is stressed like he is broken down on his face, his face is full of stress stress it's all right.

1:06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And you again, and it does not like silence, this combo just kept going on and on and it's heard just saying so like this, so like how, so then what did she say? [SPEAKER_01]: So she also expresses that she doesn't think that he's parents fully approve of her. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, if they're going to move forward, her innate desire is for her to always [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's not a job, but like another hey, and he gets together and then they finish that they still never kiss.

1:06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see them kiss. [SPEAKER_01]: I use William Wilson. [SPEAKER_01]: They kissed at their date or something, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: It's going on with this too. [SPEAKER_01]: So wrap things up with Erica and Blake. [SPEAKER_01]: She tells Blake like listen after the dress shopping everything you went out.

1:07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You understand her with your parents. [SPEAKER_01]: your brother, your friends from St. Thomas and other friends, and you went without me and I felt excluded. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I came home late. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a miscommunication. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were going to go out with your people after the dress shopping.

1:07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when you texted me, we were in the middle of a heavy discussion, and I just don't want you to feel excluded. [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to feel protected. [SPEAKER_01]: And Brian, I think I understand what he was saying because this is a conversation with that one friend who is just like, don't bring her with the other friend.

1:07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, St. Thomas's trash and it's like, are she more important than us and all of the things and Erica, he's just like, I wanted to have that conversation. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to let them know my brother and I were yelling at her. [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't sound great. [SPEAKER_01]: I know he thinks it is, but it's he could have just said we were defending you and all that stuff.

1:07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And Eric was like, okay, well, we have to do it together. [SPEAKER_01]: Why does that one person? [SPEAKER_01]: Why did that have to be done in front of the other people who are already buying to us? [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, it's better than that friend sight texting my family about this.

1:08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No one thinks this is weird. [SPEAKER_00]: I get both sides of this. [SPEAKER_00]: I get both sides. [SPEAKER_00]: I understand him, him being like listen, I don't want you to have to endure this. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a problem with like this friend of mine. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I need to set her straight and like I don't need you to hear any negative things that she's saying, how that get into your head and affect your psyche.

1:08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand her being like, but we are a unit, like we're a team, we haven't heard of it, like we need to be together on this and like I don't like finding out after the fact that there's somebody that has like beef with me that you know and on top of that that it felt like you're taking time away from spending time with me to address this situation that's about me without me being there.

1:09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So I get both sides of it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he thought in the moment, I'm doing the right thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that she can understand, okay, I get why you did it, don't do that again, though. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how that works. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he did the right thing.

1:09:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she needed to be there. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she's just finding out. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the same friend who didn't talk to her when they went out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_01]: So he knows that that existed. [SPEAKER_01]: And he makes a good point.

1:09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, have you not spoken to me to all your family members? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she just did not need to be present for that conversation. [SPEAKER_01]: And that whole thing of like, they just met. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a thing like they've been dating for a year or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: They just met is three weeks.

1:09:42 [SPEAKER_01]: her not to be there to have that honest conversation and to give space for people to actually like say what it is that you mean and let's hash it out and then let's know like we're not moving forward with this behavior anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: So I know she wants to be included. [SPEAKER_01]: I know she's like we're a team.

1:09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We should do this together. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think for this one, it's like she didn't have to be part of it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just to stick to the fact that he was standing up for her, which throws me off because [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Blake was not on my bingo card to go this hard for her.

1:10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No, of all of the men for sure on this season, he has flipped the script the most for me, when being in a positive way, Rob went the opposite direction. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, I didn't like him in the beginning to now. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, he's being like a genuinely good and thoughtful partner, and this could have become a fight.

1:10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And instead, he's like, listen, I don't want to make you feel like you're not involved and included. [SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I did what I thought was right. [SPEAKER_00]: I can totally understand how that didn't land for you the way that I wanted it to and I don't want you to feel that way.

1:10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He could have taken us opportunity to get really defensive and like really nasty and be like, well, you didn't want me to owe your stuff like he could have gotten to be the wrong direction. [SPEAKER_00]: But he's like, no, I get it. [SPEAKER_00]: I see we were coming from like, I'm sorry that it made you feel that way.

1:10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Just refreshing to have somebody say something like that. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think what I was going back earlier when I was saying what was bizarre was like the friend going to the extent of sight texting his family that's insane. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's insane. [SPEAKER_01]: What is this entitlement that these friends feel over him?

1:11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm so confused about. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a single friend who would do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Which takes my parents or my brother, like I don't like his girlfriend. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that would never be a thing. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: She says, okay, so what was the outcome of all of this?

1:11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she said, like, oh, the person that apologize, they say they're going to apologize to you. [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the outcome of that. [SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely do not believe that. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think you just said that so that there has to be a payoff for everything, you know, that happened.

1:11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they're back. [SPEAKER_00]: They're going camera. [SPEAKER_01]: They go back to the apartments and then Erica Blake comes in, Erica's overwhelmed because they're invites went out and I'm like, way why where we were home that invitation went out and then they talk and then she brings up the wedding he's like, I'm an optimist like I like everything's going well.

1:12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I see nothing stopping us and I was like, Blake, really wants to get married. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, wow, I got this wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: She says that she's a realist, and he's like, I love you. [SPEAKER_01]: I love our family. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, nothing should be surprising. [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing is going to change.

1:12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: But this that we're living right now, this isn't our life right now. [SPEAKER_01]: That he has so much passion for his work. [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe there's a piece, you know, for her out there, but it's just hard to envision that right now. [SPEAKER_01]: and then we get that dramatic music and then the black screen and credits roll.

1:12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that part that she said, it had two layers to it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like number one, what you're in love with right now is not how it's really going to be because you're not going to be here. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have this life and all this.

1:12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And the number two part of me is like, is she sprinkling a little bit here of like, if this is what you like, you could have this [SPEAKER_00]: stop being on that damn boat all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you could have this amazing life that you love right now instead. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can find something here that would make you happy.

1:13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's water and Boston. [SPEAKER_00]: You can go boat stuff out here, you know, like. [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: What is his like future plans? [SPEAKER_01]: He's just planning to boat it all like forever because he keeps saying, I don't want to be alone when I'm older.

1:13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess he wants to have kids, so he has people. [SPEAKER_01]: So um, yeah, so I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, what's the plan? [SPEAKER_01]: What is your life plan? [SPEAKER_01]: Like don't drag someone else into it if you have not really thought about it And you want someone to give up everything because at the end of the day, you are indirectly asking her to be a single mom.

1:13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like unless you're taking a whole year off But that's the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: They talk about not being able to take time off, but he was able to take time off to be on love is blind. [SPEAKER_01]: Come on. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: really don't really voting in January, like, I mean, I'm sure that I'm sure there's like parts of the world where you do that, but like, I think of being out on the water as not something you're doing during the colder months of the year, unless you're like a crab fisherman, but like, that's not what you're doing.

1:14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but they're different areas. [SPEAKER_01]: He could be in an island because there's no fair parts or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: That is true. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's that, but it's just like he needs to reconcile what he loves to do and whether he wants a family and what's more important to him.

1:14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Or he's fucking sisters in St. Thomas, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So man, if I give ashes for love is blinded, absolutely would be them because I was so like, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's why you're making loved ones life harder for no doubt. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like let it fail if it has to fail You don't even know you're gonna say yes at the altar like why you so scared for him to find happiness and To settle and if he leaves and Thomas so what yeah, I let my friends fail all the time That's what you have to do.

1:14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean you're there to like help them after the fact, but you don't try to prevent your friends from if it's not something that's like dangerous for them [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was it for it. [SPEAKER_01]: Usually we do not do the wedding episode, but because these people are a train wrecks, we are going to cover the wedding episode.

1:14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to. [SPEAKER_01]: The reunion. [SPEAKER_01]: So look out for that. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the reunion has been announced to be on the eight. [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see what happens. [SPEAKER_01]: See where these people are. [SPEAKER_01]: But Brian, do you want to do predictions?

1:15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I say this and then I don't remember what you say. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, I can do it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to mean anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I think, all right. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with Sarah and John. [SPEAKER_00]: I think she says no. [SPEAKER_00]: I hope she says no. [SPEAKER_00]: She needs to say no.

1:15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and John. [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably going to say yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's confident. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so. [SPEAKER_01]: Blake and Erica. [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's going to say no and he's going to say yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think they're breaking up. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, she said Blake is going to say no and she's going to say yes, no I think I think Blake's going to say yes and she's going to say no, okay, yeah, okay I'm thinking they're I think in that couch conversation was a break up they couldn't be on there and they have and cam.

1:16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, who do we have left? [SPEAKER_01]: No, a Wilson. [SPEAKER_00]: A woman in Rosen. [SPEAKER_00]: God damn, they, I, oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's very easy for me to imagine them both saying yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And then being broken up before the reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's where this is going.

1:16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So wait, so both say yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're both going to say yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And regretted immediately and be broken up before the reunion. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're both given single. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it will soon might be a no. [SPEAKER_01]: They both should be.

1:16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I don't, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, that's been it guys. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time when we find out what happens at this wedding and who makes it to the altar and until then, bye guys. [UNKNOWN]: pain.

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