Love Island S8 Reunion w/Toma

0:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody, welcome to another episode of Tane Talks. [SPEAKER_01]: I am your host, Tane here with a new episode in the post-Mafs era. [SPEAKER_01]: And it is Love Island season 8 reunion. [SPEAKER_01]: And here with me is Toa from Mostly and Series Business, who has been with me through the season 8 Love Island journey.

0:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi Toa, how are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: Hi Toa. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing well. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for having me again. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for coming back. [SPEAKER_01]: First of all guys, I want to start by inserting the meme where the lady goes, it's been 84 years. [SPEAKER_00]: That's your it.

0:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while since this season ended and the thing is when they announced when he was I was fine with the time I'm like, you know, lots of things happens. [SPEAKER_01]: These people go on podcasts. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how to act things are going to happen, but honestly I don't know if it's me and you can tell me what your experience is, but I feel like I switched off.

1:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't care for anybody [SPEAKER_01]: Who did I care for last season? [SPEAKER_01]: I like Shelley. [SPEAKER_01]: I really did like Shelley and Ace. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think it ain't like them and then the season before I love me some today, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, follow what's going on and stuff, but this is like I deleted the app before even the finale.

1:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like don't care where it means when it is what it is, but basically I've been plugged off unless like stuff comes on my timeline and things like that, but [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, I don't know what's going on, but what what what was your what's your experience? [SPEAKER_00]: Same experience.

1:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It was I mean, when they announced it, I did feel like it felt a little far away for some reason. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was just because of like the timing of summer and then all the other shows coming out because like, oh, that kind of feels a little far away, but everyone was saying it's actually not that far away.

1:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same amount of time or something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a big dramatic and then in the in between I just couldn't care there were so many things coming out And I was just like they would come across my desk love island this love I'm not and I would be like I don't know why I don't care and I'm like not yet.

2:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He did for their union [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then, you know, some people are like, maybe I've aged out out of it, not me personally, but like talking about themselves, first person aged out of it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that is like, listen, when you watch reality TV, there's no rules, there's no they're too young.

2:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at least I hope so, but you know, it's just I don't find the cast. [SPEAKER_01]: to be likable and that's not to say like they're young, you know, even with PPG, I'm not the one on their best behavior all the time, but it was still some kind of like star quality or something about them, you know, but I don't know if that's the case and I also don't know right if it's peacock's fault.

2:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I say this because I've been saying how I find it so weird that [SPEAKER_01]: Peacock is choosing to highlight the core four. [SPEAKER_01]: As if there wasn't a whole ass cast that made the show. [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems weird to have a hierarchy and to separate them. [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, they were the finalists.

3:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it. [SPEAKER_01]: And it just seems really convenient. [SPEAKER_01]: My team foil hat that they put Zack and Kada there because it's like the week before it was KC and TT and then switched up and which is fine. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, [SPEAKER_01]: I benefited the doubt that's not what happened, but it just feels like they're highlighting them.

3:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, in this reading you guys, this is a whole segment of them. [SPEAKER_01]: Go into Universal Studios and a roller coaster ride. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, what? [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, maybe that's how it's been and my memories failing me, but I've just found it weird, like you just, a whole bunch of people contributed to what the season was and what the storyline was.

3:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And to just kind of separate them and make them separate and have them, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it has been interesting and I've heard that Peacock has like a contract and who they signed with like basically it's just been radio side I don't know radio silence except for a couple of photo shoots here and there Yeah, I think it has been really interesting how things have like gone down outside of the villa I guess you could say because it does seem a little bit different I think with the cast for me personally I don't think they were as compelling as a cast like as a group for some reason I can't really pinpoint why [SPEAKER_00]: But then also the way that the season went, we didn't really have as much like

4:31 [SPEAKER_00]: to hold on to like I remember by the end of it thinking or like you know towards the end of it thinking like none of these couples are really like strong couples that I like I can genuinely root for at this point it's just like rooting for who you think shit deserves to win the the money kind of thing so that was like I just think it's there was a lot of different factors that made the season sort of strange even though it was still good it was definitely different.

4:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell you what it is by the end of this reunion. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like these people don't like each other like again the four again I ain't saying it, but though four I guess like each other But then everybody else is like a different thing and then even with the interactions within the outside the four They don't seem to like each other so I don't [SPEAKER_01]: It's so interesting that I know was it's insert that made the comment and castle more and I know everyone was mad at him But he was like the girls are keeping to themselves.

5:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They only talk to if they like the man or their friends man and all which is fair I mean in the real world [SPEAKER_01]: If I, if my friend didn't like someone, I wouldn't talk to them. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not the real world. [SPEAKER_01]: They're in the island. [SPEAKER_01]: They have to exist with each other.

5:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, if you only isolating yourself to that, like, not even having friends with the guys, because we were saying we were cool, but I don't know, it didn't read that way. [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems like, [SPEAKER_01]: The girls kept themselves, the guys kept themselves was a boy's girl's mentality.

5:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But in previous seasons, we saw the boys and the girls like even in Beyond the Village continued with let's say, Kendall and Olivia, or you know, Kendall and whoever, like they were friends. [SPEAKER_01]: So I... [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it was quite interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think also with this cast in the beginning, they did that weird thing more like everyone kind of claimed somebody a little bit like I can't remember the words they were using, but people were always saying like they need to branch out and like yeah more people, but everyone kind of had their person that they had like [SPEAKER_00]: their eyes on, so all the other women were like hands off.

6:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It just like the dynamic from the beginning did not seem to allow for a lot of room of like genuine connections. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there has in the past. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it was just kind of strange. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we're used to like old seasons, right? [SPEAKER_01]: We're in love island.

6:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, of course, people are going to be. [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have to like everyone and all that happen. [SPEAKER_01]: But especially like, I shouldn't bring UK into it. [SPEAKER_01]: Because we're talking about USC, but I don't in the UK. [SPEAKER_01]: The next day, they're going to have a conversation.

6:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Squash the beef and move on, but I do think to some extent that happens in the US like even though like yeah I don't mess with you or whatever but this still they're cordial yeah, and they have that So yes, they're saying they're cordial and they did their best to prove to us that they were cordial in the reunion I don't know if I'm buying all the way into it But you could always feel and see the separation that this reunion almost felt like I was being gas-lit into What I saw [SPEAKER_01]: Because I can't I don't believe everyone needs to get along like they're forced into a situation that is real life But it's like there was a separate like don't tell me there wasn't You know, so I don't know, but that's what it is either way we're here with them now this reunion was huge It was at Universal Studios it looked like a movie premiere

7:46 [SPEAKER_01]: there were people chanting out there and one minute into the show Zach already annoyed me because he's like, this is probably what he feels like to be in one direction. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Zach. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so they come in there. [SPEAKER_01]: um we're gonna go in chronological order of like the highlights of um what happened in the union and you know Ariana looked great what did you think about her look like she looked great I didn't love it but then the more I looked at it and we're just seeing like the details on her dress I kind of liked it [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, what did you think?

8:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think similarly like it was not her best look in my opinion, but it was still she looked beautiful. [SPEAKER_00]: She looked gorgeous. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like this point I think she can almost pull off almost any you think. [SPEAKER_00]: I always think I feel like it's very rare that I don't think she looks beautiful.

8:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't like scream to me. [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't really stand out. [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like, yeah, you look great. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it looks nice to him. [SPEAKER_01]: He kept it simple. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it looks nice. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you guys, I think if you remember, I think we talked about it a little bit where I'm like, listen, and is the goat when it comes to reunion and hosting, I don't think he should be hosting.

8:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this reunion and honestly after this reunion is probably that we're coming back. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to give him a go ahead girl. [SPEAKER_01]: Give me nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: They were giving him nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: He just didn't land up. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: This is, yeah.

9:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They were just, I don't, I don't want to ride on the cast, but it's just the personality wasn't there. [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't like, there is no reason and I'm jumping ahead and talking about Sydney and I guess it was Rodney, whatever his name was, why am I asking [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, they're the group C of the cast, but look at me talking about the top four and I'm calling it a hypocrite, you know, but I'm just like, yes, but either way though, like you should have something and there was many times they would ask people something and they just weren't like Ariana and Andy were trying so hard to like give them something give me the back and it's just was not you know, happening, you know.

9:53 [SPEAKER_01]: um they introduced the final four couples in order they're all sitting in their couples separately they got the tier two people squished into one couch like everyone was just like trying to fit in on there and then I'd [SPEAKER_01]: first out laughing when Andy says we have Islandism state, Islandism is so far and also in the audience and then they pan to the audience and there's like barely any lighting but they have these men that came the Casa more guys just shoved in the back behind the edges and then it's just it's just so long that I'm like there's no lighting I'm trying to figure out oh wait who is this again because it's just so long and before I could even get there the camera goes away and then we're

10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh god, oh my goodness, they didn't carry it like what was the point. [SPEAKER_01]: They shouldn't just put certain people in the audience because there were certain people in stage who didn't say anything. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know And maybe if they did that, maybe we would get to some topics that we should have talked about, you know They don't it feels like they were trying to end the wrap-up to show because we start with the final four getting their phones back [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're asking each of them, how was your night?

11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically the version of, for Marida, for a set of watchers or viewers, when they asked them, did you consummate your marriage? [SPEAKER_01]: Like basically asking each of them if they had sex. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, uh, Mickey. [SPEAKER_00]: What are you talking about, Mickey? [SPEAKER_00]: And that was like a central theme.

11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It seemed rather reunion of like these, implying these questions, implying like their intimacy level. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was odd to me. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, again, the argument could be like, oh, it's a reality show. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a dating show. [SPEAKER_01]: So we need to know, but it's just, I don't know why, and then again, when these things happen, I'm trying to like, this is season eight.

11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Surely this is not the first time it's happening. [SPEAKER_01]: Why is it bothering me this season? [SPEAKER_01]: That, yeah, you know, all of myself, I can't remember, I'm just trying to figure out why. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, was it like this? [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many shows, I don't remember.

11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that, too. [SPEAKER_00]: It's always like, wait, this, yeah, it's been on so long. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure these things have happened, but it really also depends. [SPEAKER_00]: I think sometimes you can let certain things slide, or certain things don't seem as egregious, depending on the scenario.

12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this specific cast, all the different factors we've already talked about, which makes it like a weird season and a weird cast, I feel like that just brings light to little things that may not have even noticed [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and again, this is where it is in life. [SPEAKER_01]: Like a belitty goes a long way, because you'd forgive certain things and it wouldn't even be a thing if it existed.

12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They asked an iron carl first, and I don't know, they seem awkward, and it was just a little weird. [SPEAKER_01]: But they were like, no, they didn't, like it was late, they didn't spend it together, and they were separated. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the internet always has a lot to say, people are saying they're not together, it's fake, [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't care.

12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're together. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they weren't in a techie to stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I found weird was like, if you got out and you've got the chance to be alone with your couple or whoever, I'm not saying you have to do anything, you know, your body's your choice to whatever you want.

13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But I just thought staying in separate rooms, that's a little extreme, isn't it? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was wondering a little bit more about that because I don't really care about the, like you said, the intimacy, ease. [SPEAKER_00]: But the time alone is where I'm like, yeah, was your choice?

13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't understand that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, maybe I'm projecting. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a kind of person when I really like someone, I just want to be around them. [SPEAKER_01]: And I talk about this on here. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it would be my husband, it would be married for years.

13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I see there's want to be around them all the time. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like in their new stage. [SPEAKER_01]: So like, again, you have to do anything. [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought they would be together. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll give perspective, because I was talking to her friend about it.

13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, [SPEAKER_01]: If it were me, like, after being on top of everybody in that house and all that, I would be time alone to decompress. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, all I'm saying is like, they did seem awkward, but I mean, they could be shy, they could be anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not reading into it, like, people have written like dissertations about what it is.

14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that everyone's different. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: handle things differently. [SPEAKER_01]: So for me, I thought it was, but then my friend was like, you know, I would want my space. [SPEAKER_01]: They've been on top of each other in that house. [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.

14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: Zach and Kate, I were like, oh, they ate French fries all through their all, cut it up and see each other. [SPEAKER_01]: Melodies and Sarah, they didn't get asked about that, but they were just talking about the future, what they were going to do. [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, going through their phones and everyone's so concerned about how many followers, because [SPEAKER_01]: That is the world we live in now, like it's about the number of followers you get and Kennedy stoked that she went from 4k to 1.6 and Melanese at 1.1 million.

14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so then we start reading comments which we talked about like how do they know which one's to read? [SPEAKER_01]: Like do they give them certain ones to read or do they just cut it out and edit out the ones that are aired? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't know which it is. [SPEAKER_01]: But and I read that people are saying that they have the most awkward chemistry.

15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And they make lighter videos like at least this chemistry. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really, I feel like I'm now confusing myself because I'm using it here for them. [SPEAKER_00]: It felt very like, I mean, obviously it's awkward. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Carl seems like a real person. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he seems like a person who would be a reality television star.

15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he has that like. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know whatever it is and this is almost like a compliment like I got like he's not he's not like cut out for this and in a similar way I think that about an eye up, but not exactly the same. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think she could be a star like she gives star quality based off of her like personality her looks like I think she's wonderful, but I don't I think they're both awkward and I don't know if necessarily this sort of scenario is [SPEAKER_00]: like we'll highlight like we'll show them in a in the best light.

16:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Be careful, you're not super. [SPEAKER_00]: Confident people in the sense that maybe some of the other cast are. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he how their awkwardness is, but I don't think that they're fake. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the part where people are saying, oh, they're faking it all this different stuff.

16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really agree with that. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could be wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't get that sense. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there is some genuine awkward awkwardness between them just like separately and then together based on the situation and how they came together to how they were like put back together.

16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's just like [SPEAKER_00]: They just kind of have a little bit of a different circumstance and everyone else. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do want to root for them. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they'll last. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I do see the awkwardness, but I don't, yeah.

16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think that they're fake. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's fair. [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I will disagree with is I always say, like, you have to be a certain kind of person to sign up for a reality show. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I always do too.

17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why for some reason it just never see like even with a Naya being very like sensitive, which I mean, fantastic, but all the lead up until like her big moment where she like actually, you know, said something. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the K.C. [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't moving like somebody who kind of knows how to confidently handle [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the dating world or whatever in this context.

17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, maybe you're not made for it, but you're right. [SPEAKER_00]: You do have to kind of at some level be able to. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I feel like Carl might be on the bachelor, for example, like, for example. [SPEAKER_00]: Like more so one of those shows where everything's about being polished, if you're on the television show, you're not kind of messy, you're not being, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you're, yeah, active and you're looking for love or whatever, but it's not really like love island is very extreme I feel like yeah a dating sense so I don't know I haven't like being able to pinpoint it, but yeah, I just think that there's something we be a little different about them I don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing I have no idea how though like turn out but I don't know I would hope.

18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of, I'm kind of, I'm kind of, I'm kind of rooting for them, so I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I know I understand what you're saying. [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe what it is is like, they're not the kind of people that are going to come in scheming. [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're coming in like, oh, there's not certain people who are coming in and it's like, oh, the cloud is kind of like, forefront in their mind.

18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And for them, it's like, if the cloud comes, that's nice. [SPEAKER_01]: If he doesn't, it's not the end of my life. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like they're going to come in here to think like, oh, how can I make it to the top [SPEAKER_01]: It's the bachelor version of maybe here for the right reasons.

18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then they're also not [SPEAKER_01]: I got to think of her better word. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that they're not star quality, but they're like co-stars. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not like the people who are front and center and everything. [SPEAKER_01]: They're good ensemble people.

19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's what I'm trying to say with that. [SPEAKER_01]: So I totally agree with that. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you make, yeah, you said it better than I could say. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it really, it's hard for me to articulate that. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's almost exactly it.

19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The one, they're not main characters, which is fine. [SPEAKER_00]: the case for this, and yeah, yeah, they do have the right reasons. [SPEAKER_00]: And we saw, or I felt like we saw a lot of strategy, like people coming in with strategic mindsets this season, at like Zach, for example, even if they didn't actually have those strategic mindsets, sometimes the way that they were acting, like Kenzie, like [SPEAKER_00]: They were moving in certain ways, whereas I feel like a Naya and Carl were not moving in certain ways.

19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They were trying at least to follow their hearts. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, not like we can never vouch for anywhere reality TV and we don't know them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, rooting for them for all the relationships, but at the end of the day when I tell myself like they're 22, they got to list four heart breaks in them.

20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, moving forward. [SPEAKER_01]: They had the exceptions. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Serena Cordella is still going strong. [SPEAKER_01]: So in Liam Miguel, but they're a little older, I believe. [SPEAKER_00]: I think so. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with that. [SPEAKER_01]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we see Zach and KdaC comments about him and Bryce and she's like, oh my god, they don't know how much you touch me.

20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great. [SPEAKER_01]: And Melanie sees like the brands are trying to rescue her. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember we talked about it. [SPEAKER_01]: We thought it was a little itchy. [SPEAKER_01]: She found it funny. [SPEAKER_01]: This is why you don't, you know, what it called it. [SPEAKER_01]: Take medicine for someone else's headache because she was finding it funny and then she calls her sister Since Sarah goes out to the balcony, I think and her sister was like, so how's it going?

20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you leave since Aaron the villa? [SPEAKER_01]: And then they continue and this is sort of not happy. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, that is not your man. [SPEAKER_01]: That man is a lesson and, you know, you got to leave him behind, learn the lesson and let's keep him moving and then Melanie sounds crying and she's like, you have to let me get there and it has to be my decision that this is all too much.

21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't deal with the criticism, like, you know, just let me, you know, have my own journey. [SPEAKER_01]: So what did you think of that? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I love that this is to double down and, you know, what's, you know, super authentic with it and straight up with her because I do think it would have been, I mean, not would have been, but there's a world in which it could have been an easy choice for Melanie to just keep on with sincere and not really.

21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: you know like full on like allow him into her whole life and like take him back kind of thing and just you know try to make it work meaningfully outside of the villa whereas the way it is now I see her being trepidacious with him which I like because she's not you know oh my gosh like we're in love she's like I got to figure it out on my own and I think that's fair.

22:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's fair like I don't love it. [SPEAKER_00]: I wish it was just a no, but I think having somebody like that like her family like constantly reminding her like yeah, we'll support you, but this is probably on the best decision is necessary. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I like that, but I think yeah, it's just strange to me Melanie and sincere like where they're at because obviously she's.

22:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, not happy with him and she's still trying to see where it goes, but I wonder if a little bit of it has to do with the show aspect and the, you know, what comes out of it after it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, actually talk about that. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me take a quick break and then we'll talk about sincere and Melanie.

22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're back. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you with the whole sincere Melanie. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the vibes were off with them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't now. [SPEAKER_01]: If you ask me a couple that maybe is not together, they're not boyfriend or girlfriend or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever the hell that means we love island.

23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: But everything was just he seemed kind of off because I'm just like, how do you even venture into some kind of relationship when the family is not down. [SPEAKER_01]: everything else that went on with Sincere's family like what's going on and then later on we're going to get into Andy St. D trust him and she has like the longest pause ever and I'm like so well if you don't trust him what are we doing here but um we start with them and she says that she's not surprised at the reaction by the viewers because what they saw was in the best and she knew it was in the best situation.

23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he was taking it back by the brands and all of that, but also he didn't take them seriously because they were following trends. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's just dealing with the negative stuff by letting it roll off his backs. [SPEAKER_01]: And they look at it, they laugh about it. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Andy had asked him like, when they watched it, like, was it a fun watch?

24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: How in what world was it going to be? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, was it hard to, of course it was going to be hard to watch it back. [SPEAKER_01]: And since Sarah was like, yeah, [SPEAKER_01]: to watch. [SPEAKER_01]: But they they're not going back and forth because immediately I don't know the the flow of the reading and also I thought that we're going to do it in like in segments and just kind of go through all this and say sincere and Melanie and then move on, but then immediately we move to Trinity and I'm like, oh wait, I was just sinking my teeth into.

24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, since Aaron Melanie, but, yeah, maybe that's how they had to keep things moving. [SPEAKER_01]: So, Trinity says how life has changed, she's so blessed, and then they ask her, what were you most surprised to find out about your partner? [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, that's a very simple answer.

24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I answer better be that it looks like Bryce really downplayed who he was, he's job and he's status in life because he's best friends. [SPEAKER_01]: We all these people I watched on TV and he's like a DJ and, you know, all of the stuff, [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so confused. [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like with a lot of these questions and answers, I was confused.

25:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the whole flow of the reunion me just threw me off. [SPEAKER_00]: Like everything about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I don't know if they're just feeling awkward in the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't know to say, I really don't know what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I was like, what do you mean?

25:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Tumblr error was the biggest thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that it that there has to be something especially since they're living together, but then again what happens? [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna write back to Melanie. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, so why don't we just continue? [SPEAKER_01]: You know with Melanie I at some point I think I did see like oh the kids are nervous [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if it's nervous because at some point, they also sound like they got some kind of training Yeah, but also they're also not at their best if they did get training.

25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's so hard. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like seeing someone act and they tell you You like oh, I know you went to acting school. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not coming out naturally, but then it's also like this is not organic I don't know It was just weird. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just weird [SPEAKER_01]: They asked her about Melanie and her pictures coming out about being when her Kirby era and she's like, yeah, I just want to clear up that listen, I loved myself when I was thicker and she was not insecure that she thought she was the shit, you know, when she was Kirby so she said they need to dead that narrative on there.

26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's something we're going to see with this reunion is like a lot of things that came out versus the things that happen on the show. [SPEAKER_01]: They did talk about things on the show, but not as much as you said this, you like this comment, you said that and, you know, keep going on that.

26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Then we moved to Carlton and I and they were like, how are you handling, you know, long distance? [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, you know, they talk all the time, their communication is great, they do that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think they answer the questions, then we move to their mom's being best friends and I'm like, [SPEAKER_01]: Well, how are you, like, what is the plan?

27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, are you just, are you flying every two weeks? [SPEAKER_01]: Are we intentional about this? [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna meet at a certain place. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we've had to hang out because then making us the core four. [SPEAKER_01]: So we are usually to get, I don't know, answer the question better than that.

27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel it. [SPEAKER_01]: So Ariana says, well, there's been rumors that people have been saying that Carl can handle all of that and she was like, I fear he can, ah, great, but then Ariana keeps pushing and I'm like, what is it guys, you already asked when they got out the villa, you asked now she says, like, fear he can that has a question for me.

27:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He can't, but no, she pushes, and she's like, so have you guys been, and then Carl gets all flustered? [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's stammering, and then he's like, yeah, it's been good, and I was like, it's been great, and then the camera cuts to Casey. [SPEAKER_01]: like, who are we doing this?

28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he has no business with this anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, another awkward moment. [SPEAKER_01]: So to your point, you know, they're just two awkward people and he just got thrown off about that. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, she had already answered. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know why we were pushing this, you know, at this point.

28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, this is how you know, they're not pros because it's an opportunity to make a joke or something. [SPEAKER_01]: And it just became another segment that [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get anything out of it and said we got an awkward moment. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like, I do think there's some sort of disconnect between the questions that are being asked what the islanders prepared for maybe or what they thought was relevant and how they were going to answer.

28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a disconnect somewhere. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not exactly sure where, but very, [SPEAKER_00]: odd. [SPEAKER_00]: I think in general them keep asking about like their intimacy stuff or like, you know, making these little comments is strange. [SPEAKER_00]: So it could be off naturally.

28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But also at the same time, there was a lot of like weird sexual stuff on the show. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and then also my other thing to like you kind of mentioned is the social media of it all. [SPEAKER_00]: This reunion became a lot about social media and even show us a whole like with like Like you said, it's this new reunion is like a hollywood Carpet-red carpet movie premiere experience and then one of the first things that they're asking them when they get their phone back is like Who how many followers you have to like make this a moment versus like [SPEAKER_00]: the original point, allegedly, which is to love, and love, like everything is about the social media at all, even all the disagreements that they're getting into.

29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you did this online. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think overall, wherever they're leaning towards with the, like, the question, the line of questioning and what they're focusing on, they miss the mark for this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm not going to tend it.

29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, no, I'm with you on that because even with that Andy asks about, oh yeah, you'll vibe at what's what happens live. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is like, oh, you, you seem awkward. [SPEAKER_01]: You seem weird. [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, we're saying not, but I'm just like at the reunion, I would think for the final four, and for the people who, I mean, they didn't have as much strife, like by the time Carl came in, [SPEAKER_01]: It was all her and she was all in him.

30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think they would hype up the love part of them, but it seemed like they were trying to poke at, I don't know, find holes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really should ship in, you know, and but this part they handled well, because then I and them were like, oh, you're our students were so far apart.

30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to reach for each other and you put us apart. [SPEAKER_01]: So it was your fault. [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, okay, yeah, this is like, kind of like a cute, you know, joky. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, then they moved to Trinity and Bryce and they were like, they have not slept apart, you know, since they left there and Bryce is like contrary to popular belief he is not rich, he got laid off while waiting in VG to be picked and, you know, they're living in a one note.

31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so Kate and Zach, they go to them and they're still not boyfriend and girlfriend and she's like, yeah, like it's not like we're there to please anyone else Like we're just going at our own pace and and he's like, well, are you dating and she goes, um, yeah Then he goes, are you exclusive?

31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: It's what we said in the villa with an attitude. [SPEAKER_01]: This is still the top of the hour. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are we doing all of this for? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, for what? [SPEAKER_01]: And then Andy's like, okay, well, if you're exclusive, like, why aren't you just boyfriend and girlfriend?

31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she goes, like, oh, we wanted to spend more time on the outside. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how they react to this and that. [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see how we goes. [SPEAKER_01]: My tie-at, that Kate is the one doing all the talking. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Zach barely said 10 words, yeah, the entire [SPEAKER_01]: Um, reunion.

32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Andy should have asked her so you're seeing that if he asked you in the villa to be his girlfriend, you would have said no Because that would have been a damn lie. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay? [SPEAKER_00]: Totally. [SPEAKER_00]: He was on some weird energy this reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.

32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I just should have the reason to have that attitude. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, by the way, guys, for those who are interested, they are a boyfriend and girlfriend. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I mean, she moved into a house with Zach and his brother. [SPEAKER_01]: And shout out to a listener who in the Patreon said, like, is there trouble in the content house?

32:36 [SPEAKER_01]: She is calling their house the content house. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, I'm not here to put that to my friend. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you moved, they made it a content house, because now they're making videos together. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it is just hilarious because it's true, like, you know, I mean, I guess it's not weird.

32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Zach is the one, no, not Zach. [SPEAKER_01]: What's the brother's name? [SPEAKER_01]: Charlie Charlie is one who found the house apparently. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his family has money because someone was like, why are you living with them? [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I moved in with them.

33:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He has the house. [SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: If she likes it, I love it. [SPEAKER_01]: We're all not here to live the same life. [SPEAKER_01]: So she just doesn't have to have an attitude. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, about it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all. [SPEAKER_00]: And then to the end, be going.

33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what? [SPEAKER_00]: When she didn't attitude later as well to Ariana. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, she's always had an attitude. [SPEAKER_01]: She's always even when she was in the house. [SPEAKER_01]: She always had an attitude. [SPEAKER_01]: They go to a segment which she, because I'm like, oh, why is she here?

33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I forgot that he was her connection. [SPEAKER_01]: During Kossa, no doubt that she was ever going to go with him. [SPEAKER_01]: She was always going to go with Zach and then the attitude continues and then like, oh, you had a connection. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, what connection?

33:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there was no connection. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she's like, you know, he's trying to do the good guy route because listen, if you mess up. [SPEAKER_01]: during a show outside the show when you come in the reunion just copied on the chin take the L say I'm sorry and you what's the buzzword take accountability and then just keep going with it and he's like you know I'm usually going to eat she was going to pick Zach and she made the right decision they look up together so it's all good and kiddo was not having it she's like we are not going to come by addition like you're saying that now but you are like in comments that said like oh I fumble like you [SPEAKER_01]: professional man for a clown.

34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And Shay's that's like he has only been I should say claims that he has only been an Instagram for a month He did claim that he didn't have Instagram when he was in the villa. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a lie I think he had an Instagram. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he made it because it was coming on this show But he was like he had no okay [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I was just going to say he mentioned something like a while ago.

34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe it was during this season, but about like his friend or family member, like he would log into there, maybe tick talk like one social media thing and it just sometimes and that was all he had. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't know, do we believe him? [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't believe him, and also I think it's really ridiculous if you are gonna come on the show, knowing this is like the level of social media involvement at this stage.

35:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And then make it seem like, wow, this is a big part of my identity. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm off of social media. [SPEAKER_00]: And then of course, read out the villa, you get your social media because you have to use the cloud. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's so fun. [SPEAKER_01]: How are the brands going to contact you?

35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, he's only been an IG for a month. [SPEAKER_01]: He knew you could like comments and she's just like, just say you were mad. [SPEAKER_01]: Just say you were mad and then you know we'll get over it. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Corbin whisper is this is going to be messy. [SPEAKER_01]: He does apologize and then they move on.

35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just like, [SPEAKER_01]: Just pay him no mind. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, being no dust, like, does no need to fall at that. [SPEAKER_01]: You're happy with your man's food with that. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, since Aaron Melanie are not boyfriend and girlfriend, they're seeing what happened since Aaron with his word salad is going on is like, yeah, it's not like we met on a bar.

36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We met in the middle of the ocean and I'm like, uh, like their final date. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is that what he thinks this was like, that's where they met. [SPEAKER_01]: What, what do you mean you met in the middle of the ocean, but through it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, these two are not working out for me.

36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it at all. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think. [SPEAKER_00]: even if they didn't make it work, it's not a good idea. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: It's just let them be young, do the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And I also think, I feel like Melanie's a star in her own right, and I think that she can go on into different things and live her best life, and I only see him driving her down.

36:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to pick a bank of what you just said, right, for better for worse, or whatever you thought about her performance in this reunion, I came out of this reunion thinking that, oh, man, the only thought that we saw out of this was Melanie. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, same. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, yeah, I don't know.

37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And one thing is not genuine. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not this is the downside of social media. [SPEAKER_01]: What are my actual thoughts? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is that was my thought was like, she. [SPEAKER_01]: was the star in here. [SPEAKER_01]: People were saying she was nice nasty, she was not, I don't know what it was, but she was the only one who actually came out as the star.

37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess we could kind of see that in during the season. [SPEAKER_01]: Because as human beings, we don't want to see, but it felt like she was like the [SPEAKER_01]: the the top of the chain I guess in the house and people were gravitating you know to it's her and then with you know peak I'm trying to do the core four and having people separated that's why when we get to the kanzi section like you find the tier two people getting all matt about it like I don't care what lies that we're saying again for better for worse whatever you think of Melanie whatever kanzi or whoever said it jayton whoever they meant that a shade [SPEAKER_01]: There's tone matters.

38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're having a conversation, so I didn't hear it, but I just I can imagine how we would say also I think like Kenzie That's a whole not the conversation, but yeah, we got so much green time I mean, I don't know the numbers, but I remember a certain point. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like enough with the clan's land Yes, it's getting to be a bit much and so even even the fact that she's thinking about [SPEAKER_00]: Melanie's bringing time like I know they're in this they're all thinking about all the numbers and all that stuff Yeah, so it doesn't in what world would that just be like an innocuous comment I mean what and I think because it's very clear that Melanie is the standout and is the star and Kenzie has already had feelings about book and perceiving her yeah, I just think it's it's definitely shade and like I think for me more so than just being

38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: like beautiful and fun or whatever, I think Melanie was from start to finish, season reunion everything, very authentic. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was always like, yeah, she's, you know, boisterous, that she have her little crash out, sure, but she always was able to like talk through things, she was honest about things, she stood up for other women, she cared about people, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, she was also a great television entertainment, all those sorts of things like there's a huge range with her that I really enjoyed and I feel like that's a big part of the star quality and the confidence is not.

39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't ever come off from what I remember like cockiness or arrogant. [SPEAKER_00]: It's typically even when she cleared up that thing about her plus eyes experience. [SPEAKER_00]: I liked that because she's like, no, like I think I'm like awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm. [SPEAKER_00]: you know, a rock star basically that has nothing to do with it.

39:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I like all those aspects about her and I think yeah a lot of the other people I mean here and there but I just really appreciated that from start to finish with her and I think Kenzie even if even if I wanted to like her she doesn't really have that range, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's not, it's like when it's so obvious that you are concerned or it did always, we're going to get to the segment of when they were talking about if there were best friends or not, which is another odd thing, but she's always had this silent competition with Melanie yeah it's been there in there and you're thinking, and listen, this was the narrative for [SPEAKER_01]: Well, my interpretation of what I watch is like, Ken's a came in there fully expecting like, I am going to be the bell of the ball.

40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am coming in here. [SPEAKER_01]: I am blonde, I am blue eyed and this is what's gonna happen. [SPEAKER_01]: By the time Zach was like, yeah, you know, my type, you know what I'm just like, wait, what? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then that happened again is like, wait, what?

40:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, how are they picking other people? [SPEAKER_01]: Before in me, and then she changed everything for her decision to have screen time like bra how many dead conversations of Kenzie did we have to watch They almost started that be episode, you know with that and then when they started saying she was moving like some Sarah's she was going through all the different guys like she did get screen time.

41:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't like you know In this way, it is but we'll get there [SPEAKER_01]: Since Sarah apologizes to everyone for his behavior like, oh, I'm still learning. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mean this. [SPEAKER_01]: I should have done that. [SPEAKER_01]: This was a moment where I felt like, man, if since Sarah was older, like he wouldn't be in a good fit for the season of maths, like he fits the the man, like they like to do stuff and apologize and do stuff and apologize and then just go [SPEAKER_01]: What was the moment you regret the most in everything that you did on there?

41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He said the casserole recoupling was what struck him as horrible and what he said to a morre that it was patronizing and that last statement was just like all he should have done that. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, and you're trying to get with Melody? [SPEAKER_01]: Nah. [SPEAKER_01]: that is either you're not together, so you're not even trying anymore, but if you're trying to prove to your girl or be building trust with her and your most horrible moment is what he said to the other girl, oh, since he ate.

42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like really, um, Amaro's like, I accept your apology and then, and he went there and brings up, you know, his family's Instagram live. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm for those who don't recall because it is kind of blurry during, what's at the finale? [SPEAKER_01]: It's just watching. [SPEAKER_01]: They had an Instagram live and they were saying some kind of nasty things with their racist things.

42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there were some great things as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, Trinity, about a Naya. [SPEAKER_01]: And just I think they were saying like, you know, Trinity, like you can tell that she's ghetto or something like that, about the family visits and things like that. [SPEAKER_01]: And just saying, and all the things that we're being said, [SPEAKER_01]: And I had forgotten about that, but I'm just like to me when I remembered what happened that to me is enough reason not to be with him forget everything else like if we're just like trying to say okay we can get over that and this sort of so now like this is what your family thinks.

43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And then immediately, Trinity, I don't know what's sincere, what trouble he has over these people. [SPEAKER_01]: Trinity was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, he's dad immediately reached out to my mom and he's here, apologize. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, again, his dad is not the problem. [SPEAKER_01]: We've cleared that up.

43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: His dad is a stand up guy. [SPEAKER_01]: The mom was there. [SPEAKER_01]: So for sincere, again, to lie so effortlessly and say, like, it was family, friends, extended, extended, [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what extended family friends are, but hey, whatever, and it's not really family, just people, but they were close enough to do a life, but your mom was there.

43:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And once again, he skates by, that's just what he's so used to word saluting and everyone be like, he sounds about right, because even if [SPEAKER_01]: his dad had reached out to her mom for Trinity, like, take a beat, let him answer that question, let him be in the hot sea.

44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to try and make things nice. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking about that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are your thoughts sincere? [SPEAKER_01]: Because we know his dad, his dad has shown up like, I had to come here at the straightened sense. [SPEAKER_01]: This is not who I raised.

44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that, but for you, sincere, what are your thoughts? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how we ended up here with his dad having his head on [SPEAKER_01]: Ariana says, well, I was catching straits too. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what they said about Ariana. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't remember.

44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I there, but it was something yeah, I can't remember something maybe about her, um, the way she was dressing. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to look up. [SPEAKER_01]: I do remember. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we'll take a break and it will be right back. [SPEAKER_01]: And we are back. [SPEAKER_01]: So they start talking about, you know, the Melanie's sincere situation, and Trinity gives us long speech about how everyone is being so judgmental about the situation.

45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's none of our business, and you can't tell someone to leave until they're actually done, that people should just, you know, stay out of it, and they don't have to, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: do anything but mind their business and their realizes what she says and quickly adds no offense to your sister.

45:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that. [SPEAKER_01]: This is as she didn't do that. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, huh, so everyone should mind their business, but if it's Casey and TTE, then everybody else should say I have something to say about it. [SPEAKER_01]: God, it's God, it's the anti-ass melody. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you trust sincere?

45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And we get the longest pause ever. [SPEAKER_01]: When you have a pause, I think [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's pretty clear. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really, I'm still trying to figure out where Melanie's head was going into this reunion and just with, like, gang with, and see if we're not really staying with him, because I think it seems to me that she understands, yeah, this is not a good situation.

46:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not gonna treat her right, all of those things, but she's still kind of in here. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't really know, like, obviously she does not trust him. [SPEAKER_00]: Then why continue? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it.

46:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's like a business thing like just hanging there? [SPEAKER_01]: Until maybe beyond the bill. [SPEAKER_01]: I can hear it there contractually obligated to do that now. [SPEAKER_01]: I heard that too. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I can't imagine her.

46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: really like doing it like saying, yes, this is the business thing. [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think there is like a pressure aspect of being like we kind of said before like, you know, staying with your couple kind of thing and like seeing it through and all like, you know, because also the rest of the, um, [SPEAKER_00]: Islanders are doing that as well, whether or not they're compatible, like, I don't see Kenzie and Dylan really making it, but apparently they're like, oh, love story.

46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's one of those things. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I can't pinpoint it, but I think there is like some pressure, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's some pressure for all of them to kind of still continue to make it work. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't need specifically.

47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, [SPEAKER_00]: you can we can all see that you're a star so there's you don't need to hold that like even if you're both have to go on beyond the villa you can still just be on it without having to be together unless yeah unless there is an actual business obligation but I feel like that would just be [SPEAKER_00]: absurd.

47:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If they made them. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ridiculous. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's true because she will do better single I don't know because it's like, oh, you finally left him. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's part of why I'm thinking like maybe it's not a business thing.

47:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And she just wants to write it out like maybe the reunion is the last who we're all like public I wise and it's like, okay, let's breathe. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what we are. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll see what happens. [SPEAKER_01]: But either way, the good thing is everything always plays out as you should.

47:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I saw something I haven't had a chance to look into it. [SPEAKER_00]: But apparently she posted clarifying that she's single. [SPEAKER_01]: Someone posted something, and then she commented like, exactly, especially since I've been saying that I'm single. [SPEAKER_01]: So, who knows?

48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I think it's a situation where [SPEAKER_01]: She's not using explicit language, which is also never actually said, hey, I'm with sincere. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like, if you ask, it's like, I'm not lying, I never actually said that I was, you kind of thought it was, I didn't say, I didn't stop you from thinking that.

48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, pulling the line, probably, but yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens. [SPEAKER_01]: I think if they make them separate. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the story will be on Beyond the Villa. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess navigating and being friends will kind of be like a Maya and Brian.

48:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was thinking on the last Beyond the Villa. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, they take a break and Bryce is throwing a shade at God because Gal did not know that he was coming for a reunion. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just throwing a black T-shirt in jeans and roll that a bit and he's on the other side.

48:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And Gal is like, I can hear y'all, you know, there's microphones on. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we moved to Kenzie and Dylan and KC and TT and KC is an unfortunate college situation like Danny Buko type like he's sunk in into the couch, um, in there and Andy has Kenzie to give us a climb and who is she to say no?

49:22 [SPEAKER_01]: She said this is why it was short dress, you know, so I can do this. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is the first time that Melanie and Kenzie are seeing each other and are you [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if anyone will copy this, but I ain't recalls Casey and T.C. [SPEAKER_01]: the underdogs. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

49:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that an appropriate description, I guess? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so now, but I thought about it because I was like, okay, let me be objective. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is going on? [SPEAKER_01]: Because when we go further, when, you know, there are people who think that, you know, Casey is being evictive in some cases.

49:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He was lying. [SPEAKER_01]: We are gonna, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: Does she saying underdogs validate what they're saying that people were turning against them if not what made them underdogs? [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I know I'm an overtaker, so this could be applied here, but [SPEAKER_01]: Why would Ariana call them underdogs?

50:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's so plain to see and so on screaming right now. [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's, I mean, maybe, because I'm also in a bigger, maybe I don't want to say it, but like, yeah, I think that's exactly it. [SPEAKER_00]: All of the hate, well, I don't want to use quotations. [SPEAKER_00]: All of the hate that they said that they've received and just how they received the villa and everything like that, I think.

50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: on Ariana's and she is pulling into that narrative of like yeah you guys with the underdogs and look at your love now but also they always need to prop up somebody like look at your love through everything here we are and I feel like just given the circumstances [SPEAKER_00]: Casey and TT get that you know yeah if that love and so Ariana's I don't know she's going along with it or she genuinely believes it but either way she's definitely validating that narrative yeah and I would like to know guys for you guys listening like how what what would you define [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you think Ariana called them the underdogs?

51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't get me wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: I understand that she said that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know why she said that because they felt like she was an under, they were underdogs when they came in. [SPEAKER_01]: But giving what happens afterwards, whether like, oh, we accepted them. [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't, but then everybody else saying like, oh, they didn't deserve to be there.

51:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're saying that they didn't say it. [SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like it's contradictory, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: with both things. [SPEAKER_01]: So I would just, I'll be open. [SPEAKER_01]: Just to listen to what you guys think, because I was actually curious about that.

51:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We do have role-to-tape situation at this moment in time of the meeting. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, why aren't we not rolling the tapes? [SPEAKER_01]: People are arguing about stuff where we could just like, role-to-tape, but it was only for whatever day-one it to do, which was like about twice that they role-to-tape, but not the situation.

51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So KC says since they've been out that social media has been tough, he's been getting death threats, and one thing he's [SPEAKER_01]: He says he hasn't been on social media because he just wants to focus on his family and his mental health. [SPEAKER_01]: So he should shine and get back to that place.

52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's shown recently that he went back to work. [SPEAKER_01]: So he went back to he was a nursing home. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a, yeah, I mean, a care DNA or, yes, some sort of investigation, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And after he says that instead of something meaningful or something and they go straight to, so you guys crush the karaoke challenge.

52:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like terrible segue terrible, but I also think there's one said, [SPEAKER_00]: controversy about KC and TD and their them saying all these things about how they've gone a lot of hate. [SPEAKER_00]: I remember there was like some back and forth about them playing it up and I guess on their podcast when they were talking about, you know, one is against them because they're black, they're the only black couple and things like, I wonder, I mean, not to excuse that.

53:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That was terrible like the way that they [SPEAKER_00]: I guess they cut it out. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they even actually dressed it or they genuinely know it just that we directed. [SPEAKER_00]: Either way, awful. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I wonder if that has anything to deal with that because they're talking a lot about the social media of it all.

53:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm curious if they're like, okay, well, we're avoiding this topic. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and that's the thing was like, either option was not a good option. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: If they edited out, that's not a good option. [SPEAKER_01]: Like just throw a one line because there are other situations that came up that they at least threw one comforting line, you know, for that.

53:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't understand the choice for this, but they're going to reality TV, right? [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: This would be it. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, TT mentions how Kate I was talking about how they deserve to be at the bottom. [SPEAKER_01]: And Keda's defense was like, well, at the time, if he was willing to give up his three-week connection, so I just didn't know if it was real, if it was gonna last, which obviously, you lasted.

54:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You could just hear the, whatever that was dripping through the obviously. [SPEAKER_01]: And every time they say this, I keep asking, guys, do you think that this is, does that mean that you were thinking the same thing about Anaya and Carl? [SPEAKER_01]: if she was able to have such strong feelings for him after the three weeks and also where you not in there, it was three weeks full of strife.

54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's easy to just give that up and move on from that on both ends. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just like, I'm glad they separated and I'm glad they found that they were not supposed to be with each other. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if [SPEAKER_01]: If you're, if I'm a Naya and you're my friend and you're saying the same thing about KC, I'm just like, again, the way he handled it.

54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the things he said and all that stuff was terrible. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but she also got that quick connection with Carl in whatever the time frame was. [SPEAKER_01]: So, is that what you think of me friend? [SPEAKER_01]: That would be what I'm thinking about, you know, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So after some comes up and oh yeah, and I is still there and she speaks up and it was like, yeah, I didn't like, you know, when you said, um, you won't be friends with anyone when you left the house, T.T.

55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: is like, yeah, I did not say that. [SPEAKER_01]: What I did say was like, I wouldn't be friends with everyone. [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that T.T. [SPEAKER_01]: asked the right question. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, mask, why you thought that was referring to you? [SPEAKER_01]: Because truly, there are how many people came through the house.

55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you think it was you? [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and she didn't answer the question, instead she moved on was like, yeah, I also don't like how we in Casey said I was fragile. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I know like everyone has heightened emotions in all, but she was fragile. [SPEAKER_01]: to say like it's not knocking her, it's not anything.

55:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We are not all made perfect. [SPEAKER_01]: Some of us are sensitive, some of us are fragile, some of us are resilient. [SPEAKER_01]: Like we have the good, we have the bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Is saying that you're a fragile like is this this big, that terrible thing like I don't know where were your thoughts on that?

56:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think it's like [SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, I think it's in this context of how KC was moving and the things that he was saying about an Ion to an Ion before and then like how kind of like it was a negative [SPEAKER_00]: like feeling it seemed on his and and remember before he was saying that she was very strong she was strong black woman she's the blueprint all these amazing things he really liked her like very very like positive things hyping up and then when things turned he seemed to have more negative things to say about her and I feel like the him calling her fragile wasn't [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't an innocuous that's that's the only reason I could see like her feelings type of way about it, but also just like on the other end like I feel like just somebody saying that saying the categorizing her as fragile and in another sense could be fine but for him specifically I think it really felt and also like in the um

57:16 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of comparison like when T.T. [SPEAKER_00]: did come in and, you know, T.T. [SPEAKER_00]: was defending him, defending the relationship and she was like, you know, more, maybe like, boisterous than I was and like, like an eyes more like soft. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's that kind of thing and he mentioned [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the place something like the place I come from and like whatever all these like comparison things.

57:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that is where I'm assuming maybe I'm you know reaching here but yeah that's like the only reason I thought it was like okay Casey like you're using you're trying to like put her down in a sense but otherwise I wouldn't typically think that would be something [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

58:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I thought about was maybe he's the wrong word. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he should have said sensitive because I think what what my mind went to was like the different times was like oh I would like to talk to someone and then you get upset about it and it's like oh, okay.

58:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm not going to anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you to be a sedenter head granted. [SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't red because she was probably reading into something. [SPEAKER_01]: Both of them were trying to make something work that wasn't there. [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that was sensitive and that's what he meant to say instead of fragile.

58:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe because he felt like he maybe had to tip to around. [SPEAKER_01]: I do see your point. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that is the person that hurt me. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't want you to be the one to tell me that. [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it was like subconsciously comparing her to TT.

58:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the time that it was said, [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think it meant like I mean we also have the things where it was like even when her mom came and she was saying like stand up to Melanie and she was like oh and then suddenly switch her to and she's just very What's the word it's not reserved but yeah, I know he's not yeah, she makes you reserved that she's not.

59:12 [SPEAKER_01]: She hadn't found herself. [SPEAKER_01]: That was what I got in there. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the environment didn't allow for her to show her full self or what it wasn't her experience in there because there's so many factors. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's a weird experiment, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to take that away from that, but it's just [SPEAKER_01]: when he said that she was strong, she was like, that that was week one.

59:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you get to know someone, you're like, oh, okay, allow me getting to learn whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it was like a wrong choice of words, wrong messenger, like, if my girl tells me that and we're like, oh, yeah, I am fragile. [SPEAKER_01]: But not you, not anybody else, but not to say that, I can see that.

59:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So okay, fair enough, this is why we have conversations in different viewpoints. [SPEAKER_01]: Then Casey talks about how the energy was different after Casa that he had his boys with the girls were in there and just the heat that he got at the recoupling Kate makes a face she kind of rose her eyes and Melanie and her way her calm way was like, um, why did you feel this way?

1:00:11 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, I'm just like, huh? [SPEAKER_01]: Why is she asking that question? [SPEAKER_01]: From what we saw, again, we get the edited version. [SPEAKER_01]: It was obvious to see why he thought that way, because, you know, he came in another girl. [SPEAKER_01]: They were back in their girl and they kind of asked him, oh, I thought it was very clear.

1:00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But he, she was like, we were very accepting of TTE, and he's like, yes, you were accepting of her. [SPEAKER_01]: But not me. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, none of the girls came up to me to say they were happy for me. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they all said, say, nope, we did two days after three days after.

1:00:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he not shifted. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, that was way after. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, okay, no, but we said, Trinity, Trinity is like, I came to apologize to you, I should not. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he was like, okay, I understand, but it was my experience. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, all right, all right, Casey.

1:00:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You're wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: You're not. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: See. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think the thing was just like again very heightened, very emotional thing and everyone just has how they felt and there's something to be said about all the commentary after they came out.

1:01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not able to parse or reconcile how they felt. [SPEAKER_01]: Feelings are not facts, always. [SPEAKER_01]: They have that. [SPEAKER_01]: They come out with what they read, what people have said, and they're like, ah, they may have a point. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you put that together and everything just gets jumbled up.

1:01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And then facts, feelings, everything leads to things that are actually not facts anymore and everything just becomes a mess. [SPEAKER_01]: No out there. [SPEAKER_01]: So he messed up with that one because the girl said we were happy for you, we accepted them. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do understand.

1:01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what we saw was like, you know, he was school with them, I guess, but I guess their friendships were based on who their girls were dating all liked because I think the thing that maybe it wasn't said was how what happened affected [SPEAKER_01]: That's my thing that I'm getting, that's the only other comparable person.

1:02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, it was like, no, he's a great guy. [SPEAKER_01]: He should do it because the only thing he didn't do was bring a girl back. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think there's a loyalty to sincere like that in some I don't know how or why In some way I've noticed that sincere is one of the guys that it seems like the girls are friends with or like not not friends, but they more like [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

1:02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: There's something I feel like we're missing maybe about like how they've connected with him or something because yeah, I definitely think there is some loyalty there. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a loyalty to sincere and Mel and Lowing them to see what they're going to or sorry Mel and he like, but do with each other and not judging it and protecting them and all that sort of stuff.

1:03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas with KC, I don't think that [SPEAKER_00]: They had a friendship. [SPEAKER_00]: The girls had a friendship with KC, other than KC, being Anaya's coupling or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: And then when he did her dirty, it was like, your cut. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we had enough ink. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

1:03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But so you know what confuses me? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember in class that when Sincere said, the girls don't even want to talk to us? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we don't have friendships with the girls. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we did see that he had some kind of friendship with Anaya. [SPEAKER_01]: But I actually thought it was just because that was Mills guy.

1:03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that you actually had a friendship, because I remember the point thing it was weird. [SPEAKER_00]: Not weird, but like, like, where did this come from? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they seem like they're genuinely friends. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it was like, oh, did we miss a thing sort of thing?

1:03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I remember him saying that. [SPEAKER_00]: I also just don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really understand a lot of the things sincere says. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so mean, I just kind of like brushed it off. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I see that, especially even now still, like they're still kind of not going hard on sincere.

1:04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They're still appreciating, they're not appreciating, but allowing for their relationship and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't see that with any of the other guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I mean, technically Zack, like they try to act nice to Zack for Katea, because it's like, oh yeah, Katea, I think though.

1:04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The only two guys they really like is sincere and Caleb. [SPEAKER_01]: They love them some people. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they love Caleb as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's so interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where we're missing. [SPEAKER_01]: But everybody else, they're like, hey, we got it without.

1:04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, all right. [SPEAKER_01]: So we finally get Kenzie's section. [SPEAKER_01]: They're together. [SPEAKER_01]: She and Dylan, I can't believe this man made it through, but, you know, and, you know, they're saying, I love you to each other. [SPEAKER_01]: They ask her she'll do anything differently.

1:04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said the only thing she'll do is she'll tell Caleb that she kissed Corbin. [SPEAKER_01]: um Kenzie says multiple times throughout the show that she does not understand the comparison to sincere um what are you thoughts in this is she comparable to sincere? [SPEAKER_00]: I think so I thought so watching the show I thought so because we're talking about the way that you're moving in the villa and that's like where people are like oh yeah you if you think about all the girls and all the guys and how they all moved during their time [SPEAKER_00]: The closest coming here is in, I feel like for Denzi would be sincere like she was also the thing with for me with Kenzi the main thing is that she is explicitly saying all the time her type and her type

1:05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: changes every time. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I need my cowboys who come in here. [SPEAKER_00]: Cowboys. [SPEAKER_00]: I need my surfer boy to come in here. [SPEAKER_00]: Surfer what comes? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and she was, and I get it, people are like, well, that's the point you, you know, everyone.

1:05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But then she was doing shady stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, [SPEAKER_00]: just even the way that she dealt with some of the girls based on whatever her connections like might be doing like maybe they're interested in somebody else or whatever she would move differently that even just not being honest about kissing things like that I thought it was weird and then also I think for me too the way that she treated um Corbin [SPEAKER_00]: differently than she treated the other guys like I think she's just not how do I say it like I think she moves funny.

1:06:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she yeah funny like I just knew I don't think she moves like with all honesty and yes There were times where she realized what I made a mistake or I did this but overall there was a lot of times where she moves weird But what do you think [SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

1:06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wish that she owned it. [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, oh, felt like listen, I wasn't a show called Love Island. [SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to find my connection. [SPEAKER_01]: I was also having fun along the way. [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of made some mistakes. [SPEAKER_01]: I would have done things differently.

1:06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was a different experience. [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, that's what happened. [SPEAKER_01]: But they're insistence that she was just not like sincere, which is kind of crazy to me because you. [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of were, and they didn't even delve deeper into the whole thing we're Corbing, which was insisting like you're picking Melanie over me.

1:07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, when this whole thing started, it started with, you know, Ariana bringing up the whole, we talked about it a little, that on souls IG live that, you know, she and Jayden say Melanie got more airtime. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other comment or the other half of the comment was that whoever was close to Melanie was who got to stay on the show.

1:07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea this happened by the way. [SPEAKER_01]: This is my first time hearing about it. [SPEAKER_01]: Can you say, like, it wasn't me, it wasn't me. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I saw people say comments like it was definitely her who said it and then she kept denying it. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Andy was like, what's wrong with her saying it?

1:07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And nothing is like, it just caught me off guard and then Dylan just trying to get in. [SPEAKER_01]: You need to watch housewives where they always say men don't come into women's business so they can have a conversation. [SPEAKER_01]: but Melanie shuts him down so many times. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if people count this as the time so she was being mean because I thought it was appropriate.

1:08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're trying to have a conversation, you're still trying to get your 15 minutes because people said, oh, don't come in here. [SPEAKER_01]: Make sure you defend her against the bullies. [SPEAKER_01]: Like she can stand her own. [SPEAKER_01]: She did certain things, she needs to own its standard chest and then defend herself.

1:08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there are times you should get in. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not the time. [SPEAKER_01]: They asked Melanie a question, she's talking to Kenzie. [SPEAKER_01]: You were coming in there. [SPEAKER_01]: You weren't even there for some of it. [SPEAKER_01]: So what are you talking about? [SPEAKER_01]: Stay out of it.

1:08:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So Melanie is like, um, stating facts and saying how Dylan like comments about, you know, calling them birds. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they have this whole segment of like, what are birds? [SPEAKER_01]: What is birds? [SPEAKER_01]: And this really pissed me off. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh.

1:08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this part of the reason I'm just like don't let Andy, you know, do this. [SPEAKER_01]: That's just get someone who is in the know and kind of knows what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: Because the other thing that Ariana, I'm surprised Ariana doesn't know what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't kind of feel like she, yeah, I was like, Ariana, what are you talking about?

1:08:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You definitely know that. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: You, they just wrote that card for her or something because I was just like, Ariana, we have you in 4K call them all shirts that they do the overall video. [SPEAKER_01]: They're pretty so whispered in her earpiece, ask what her birds.

1:09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the thing we are in is like, she's great and holds for the show, but not to be in here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like they should just get something completely different, someone in their demographic. [SPEAKER_01]: And someone that they respect. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think they respect, not respect like they hate them or anything like Andy.

1:09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, um, and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just someone like, I remember when Sierra walked into the villa and they're like, oh my god, that's a, that's a, that's like someone just like in a younger demographic that is That they're in all of I guess like Andy just like, oh, that's the guy who does house, I don't know which house, so I just what is that and stuff.

1:09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't want to move when I wanted to end it with the Casey segment where and I had to say something and say [SPEAKER_01]: Heart issue we hear was like she honestly didn't feel like he had a reflection About his behavior and all the things that he said because that is one of Casey's crimes was the things that he was saying like he was just downright rude and him just feeling like In Costa he's the man again, and he just showed out his bad behavior.

1:10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So because people tend to get things wrong [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible for someone to be wrong and right and do things and I call out what I think is wrong and I'll call out what is okay, they kind of had a point here, but he was moving crazy in casa and he was saying like disrespectful stuff that he didn't need to say, but a nice point was like, even after that, he didn't have a reflection or realize what he even did wrong until movie night when he saw himself and he was like, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was not cute, or whatever.

1:10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just wanted to make sure I said that because I did think that was a good point. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she said like you were still laughing around with the bros, so no one was against you because you were out there still feeling like you were part of them, but it wasn't to you realize what you did and you're like, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the girls must feel some type of way, you know, about me and everything.

1:10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I feel the on set thing is why am I getting punished this heavy But since Sarah gets to go away, but he can't say that out loud, but you make a good point because they actually maybe see since Sarah's a friend and later on Trinity is gonna say like I didn't care for you. [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot believe that is causing controversy anywhere because all she means is like we don't have anything So I had nothing to fall back on [SPEAKER_01]: after that.

1:11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, just solidified like, oh, well, hey, we did love island together and that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: So you're my girl's ex. [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. [SPEAKER_01]: So just wanted to point that out that that happened. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to skip that. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, [SPEAKER_01]: Melanie, like I said, or same fact, we had the whole bird's thing.

1:11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Kenzie starts flailing and they're saying, like, no, we weren't good friends. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was a good friend to you. [SPEAKER_01]: And nothing's like, no, you did not check on me. [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, yeah, but I followed you. [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't follow me.

1:11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I followed you and I was going to DM you. [SPEAKER_01]: It was so lame. [SPEAKER_01]: It was so, if you're going to check on someone, just send a DM. [SPEAKER_01]: When were you going to DM? [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. [SPEAKER_01]: But you knew it was like a month. [SPEAKER_00]: and you left early and that's what I always knew from the beginning.

1:12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I was so annoyed when Kenzie would always pretend like melodies her best friend. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I don't know what world you're living in, Kenzie, but that's just not the case. [SPEAKER_00]: Because [SPEAKER_00]: the way that Kenzie moves didn't seem like a best friend to me. [SPEAKER_00]: So my thing is you're saying you were going to do all these things when you got to the villa, why didn't you do them?

1:12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just no reason. [SPEAKER_00]: All you have to, if that was your best friend, first thing you want to do is clear things up with her or like whatever, have that conversation with her. [SPEAKER_00]: Now I was, it was all much to do this, kind of I play it so, I don't know, it's ridiculous to me.

1:12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what world she was saying that Melanie was her best friend because I hadn't seen them be like friends friends they had a conversation which she said I didn't think you were my friend in the villa and I think like Kenzie felt some type of way that it seemed like Melanie was just closer to the core for and she didn't fit in with that and that's okay you could have said that but [SPEAKER_01]: How is she your sister was saying like she's my sister?

1:13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was this. [SPEAKER_01]: You pulled soul. [SPEAKER_01]: Allegedly like quote unquote the other woman to tell I don't want you to feel alone. [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you were your sister, I know it's bad behavior, but he was like, I'm writing with you, I'm not pulling the enemy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

1:13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: To say like your, my whatever, you were tripping with Corbin. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You said it feels like you're making her, you're doing that. [SPEAKER_01]: That is not sister. [SPEAKER_01]: And you said, and I quote, Jen was your best friend. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just none of this was set guys none none of this was mentioned.

1:13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Melanie was leading up to it, but maybe there was too much time being wasted, but no one mentioned that. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, how was Melanie your best friend didn't you have a conversation where she felt like you weren't being a good friend to her. [SPEAKER_01]: So when was she a best friend, but you know what happens next to tears they came on because what happens Melanie's on consoling her now I do want to give Kenzie [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of grace because I don't know what the situation is.

1:13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she suffers from something anxiety, but I did notice that, you know, when she said crying, when she seemed like she was getting really anxious, she was trying to like, I don't know if it's like calm herself with her fingers. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you noticed, I didn't she was trying to, [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say it's stinging because that's going to foreign diagnosing someone but she was just really trying to get her fingers and she was trying to control herself so that's what I want to give her grace like maybe it was just genuine like true anxiety and she just flailed it doesn't mean she wasn't lying guys she still was and you all got out of control but at the end of the day you know Melanie was the one who was talking here and Melanie was making a point like we can go to dinner and we can talk about this but truly this is how I feel right now I'm not going to say oh we're good and we're nice and

1:14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the best way. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't let her get away with you saying, no, you were my friend. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, well, if you were talking about victim, that is, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That is playing it up, you know, and doing that. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, it ended well, I guess, but again, guys, everyone does have to be friends.

1:14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: So, for you, I think that's what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: They can ask people who's the chemistry is just not to get there. [SPEAKER_01]: But then again, we had a landry and Shelley and look at them now. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't even speak so. [SPEAKER_01]: and she's got the men's in the world with Sierra, instead.

1:15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We find out that Sean didn't get his job back with sucks. [SPEAKER_01]: How do you go all the way to Lov Island? [SPEAKER_01]: Be the first to get out and you don't even get your job back. [SPEAKER_01]: That sucks. [SPEAKER_01]: Baya came back on. [SPEAKER_01]: She's still doing the damn thing for Paralympics.

1:15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's been supported by Amora. [SPEAKER_01]: I think when they're in Sean, come to his word. [SPEAKER_01]: And [SPEAKER_01]: she didn't make a comment about people leaving able his comments on her page and she's just like fuck those people, she doesn't care, she can handle it, but for the people who are looking up to her and seeing these comments, who you know, it's very hateful.

1:15:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So hey, group with her, [SPEAKER_01]: An example of how this cast gave nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: They have a whole thing about Baya and Gabe. [SPEAKER_01]: Are you seeing together? [SPEAKER_01]: Are you friends? [SPEAKER_01]: Are you friends who benefits? [SPEAKER_00]: Are they sparks? [SPEAKER_00]: Are they?

1:16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was just crickets. [SPEAKER_00]: Crickets? [SPEAKER_01]: We just wasted too much time on that, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: Um, then we had the product placement of the Fast and the Furious Hollywood Drift for Universal Studios and I'm out of my self-emissioning because I'm giving them product placement.

1:16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: But they have all four of the couples act like they haven't seen each other like, hey, what's going on, hugs and oh my god, why? [SPEAKER_01]: Why? [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, there is no, um, [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't delve deeper into Kenzie, that was it. [SPEAKER_01]: They played the full deliberation of them dumping Gabe.

1:16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna lie, I still don't have the answers on my question. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they dumped him. [SPEAKER_01]: I wish the girl said more, but there was not a lot to say because he is right. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, they had to dump someone. [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't gonna dump anything, but I do feel like it was kind of harsh.

1:16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: She'd just be like, he's looking for someone. [SPEAKER_01]: He's looking for someone else and all that. [SPEAKER_01]: Baya left. [SPEAKER_01]: What was he supposed to do? [SPEAKER_01]: Have a morning period? [SPEAKER_01]: Like they have to admit that they had weird rules This season like you have to be coupled up and you have to be with someone and since Anaya and KC were together for three weeks They have to write it out to the end and be miserable.

1:17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: You know I don't know why they didn't show why they don't sold [SPEAKER_01]: but they show the girls because the world. [SPEAKER_01]: So it is souls moment to shine. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, we didn't know if you were coming. [SPEAKER_01]: You said he had a lot to say, come on down.

1:17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Little did we know it was gonna be very disappointing when Saul came down. [SPEAKER_01]: Melanie just says like she is very shocked at everything that soul is saying because she pulled her aside to talk and she let her know like you know they can do whatever they want to do so would not let her finish so is very hyped up so it's just like no that was my experience about I think my diagnosis for souls like this is all delayed reaction and what I said earlier she read all the comments and she's just like yeah I'm going to coming all hyped up and [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get anywhere by being all defensive from back.

1:18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And also you left early. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's so awkward. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Mel asked, like, if she got pie more than twice, she goes, yes, everyone's like, that's a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I refuse. [SPEAKER_01]: Mel is like, Mama's a liar. [UNKNOWN]: I love that. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

1:18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Ariana make sure it was like, how many of you pieged soul? [SPEAKER_01]: Only two hands came up. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I honestly think it was a lot about emotions for her because I kept thinking about it in my head. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that she was trying to lie. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that she felt, because I remember when she was crying in the episode, and stuff, like, I think she misremembered kind of.

1:18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, everyone was crying me, oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think that's how she felt. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't say for sure, but I think she really in her mind convinced herself. [SPEAKER_00]: I got paid more than twice. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think that she was thinking I like I'm gonna say that I got pie more than twice I think she yeah, she convinced herself.

1:19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I got pie more than twice That's what I think So am I misremembering thing bands? [SPEAKER_00]: They she got pie more than twice and after some thought that somebody said that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah But maybe it was bad. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember exactly, but I think so [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's somebody who does not like Melanie, by the way.

1:19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think they had that whole moment where she's like, why do you keep talking about it? [SPEAKER_01]: But guys, they are going to ask a question, especially if all that happens. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the thing about it is I was getting born about with this fight with soul, but she kept shifting the go post because after she said I got to I got pie twice then they said that wasn't true and then production and Ariana is like it was twice like just to FYI and then she goes well, that's how I [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I felt why would they pay me anyways didn't know me and they're like the guys Pied you not us and she's like well the guys had less time with me.

1:20:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You're the ones who know I'm like okay, what is happening right now like we're losing the plot. [SPEAKER_01]: So bad such a flop Yeah, hit the nail in the coffin by showing on sin footage of male and soul talking and You know, it's a heartfelt conversation with soul says all the things that's happened to her [SPEAKER_01]: And including being homeless and males like that would never happen as long as I know you that you know if you ever get in this situation, let me know and all that kind of stuff so clearly we know who's a side they were on big they're like mama's a liar, but um, [SPEAKER_01]: Trinity brings up the whole Bryce pulling Kater and wants to know the after-son comment like why she thinks he thinks Kater is pretty and like they're going to Trinity again.

1:20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: During a segment do it, don't just pile up where it's like the wrongest moment and then people are clapping and on the mic Sydney is like I ain't clapping for any of this shit I was like, well. [SPEAKER_01]: We got to watch it. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, Corbin and Parameda confirm they're broken up.

1:21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We are not shocked. [SPEAKER_01]: We've been prepping for Corbin to be in Love Island games. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the thing I was shocked that is that they were all like very civil. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, another weird moment where it was like, we just decided not to be together. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna be together.

1:21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to lie. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that it was something she did because if it was something he did, pardon me, it's not going to keep quiet. [SPEAKER_01]: She's going to call him again. [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you know what? [SPEAKER_01]: He did this. [SPEAKER_01]: He said this, but then she's been on podcasts afterwards saying that he did not want to be exclusive.

1:21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what happened. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm surprised that she kept her composure and didn't say anything, you know, and you were like, oh, we're mutual is the same. [SPEAKER_01]: We're friends. [SPEAKER_01]: But it was also another situation of giving nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: It was like pulling teeth.

1:21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, what happened? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're fine. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, why did you break up? [SPEAKER_01]: And we just wanted different things. [SPEAKER_01]: So it was just really weird, but the other. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, a more a Melanie, they have a moment where a Mara says, like, she would never put herself in that situation and she stood on business on saying that.

1:22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I want to talk about this because Melanie does kind of make a point that you did kind of put yourself into the situation. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, going after sincere. [SPEAKER_01]: What I do think the unset thing is a more as like I didn't really like that man you seem to really like that man I was just she can't say that of course yeah I was just trying to get into the villa so even if I didn't get into the villa it was the Melanie and sincere show you saw the clips before you came in that was the person at a connection when it was either that would be on the outs and so I did what I had to do.

1:22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But of course that can't be said, and everyone is like, well, you did purchase over that situation, but I was curious to know what your thoughts about that was. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do, I think, like, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm pretty much on like Melanie's side, I guess in that scenario because you chose to come in and pursue You shouldn't see it even if it was just to be on the show.

1:23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a whole another Convers, like yeah, like you said it's an unspoken conversation sure, but Melanie did not have that same Opportunity to watch and see, okay, I won't get in the show in this way or that way. [SPEAKER_00]: And come in and choose and just not like, you know, then later say, oh, I would never be in that situation like I feel like there's no reason for [SPEAKER_00]: more to kind of like see that it's like a flex on Melanie or whatever because you did what you had to do I guess to get in the villa but that doesn't make you like better that matter is something because she happened to fall in love with sincere or not fall in love but whatever connect with this and deep like yeah, I do like I don't think

1:24:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But we'll maybe, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not feeding the vibe that if Melanie watched sits here moving like this, she would have chose him. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, to come in, like, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, I don't know, I just don't think it's really a fair. [SPEAKER_01]: like conversation comment comment yeah I mean on the flip side too it's like listen if you choose to stay with sincere this is what you're going to have to do with and if you don't like it don't do it yeah exactly so because it's kind of similar to isn't that what parameda said when they played that game of you know she doesn't deserve him he's doing that and she was like you know what you're that's right that's fair so I don't know if it's uh again wrong messenger amora was kind of the person who dated him so

1:24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if that's the case, then why were you hurt when he says, you know, you don't and if we hadn't more time with me, you and things like that, um, Caleb and Jayden. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was very on interested when they left. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: He was telling people she was mad.

1:25:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He was scared to talk to her. [SPEAKER_01]: But apparently they had a connection. [SPEAKER_01]: They do that weird thing. [SPEAKER_01]: How is your first night? [SPEAKER_01]: How did they go? [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: They're forced to say like, yes, they had sex, but it turns out that at the end of the day Caleb is just a man from Charleston, and if you watch Southern charm, you know what to expect from a man from Charleston, and he is one of them.

1:25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This man came out with a top of the world, parting with the Southern charm people and everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like he decided that he didn't want commitment. [SPEAKER_01]: And instead of just saying it out there, he planned to text her sometime in the future, but not yet, even when they saw each other again, was it at the Hampton's or were they held each other?

1:25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so. [SPEAKER_01]: And instead of telling her that he wasn't interested, instead he had sex with her again. [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what she did. [SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, remember, he's 21. [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know. [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

1:25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But um, here's where it gets weird. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got one in certain meaning meanie meanie meanie. [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting weird. [SPEAKER_01]: Kate out from nowhere. [SPEAKER_01]: She's chilling comfortable leaning into her man. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I want to say something.

1:26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to say? [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, then why did you do it? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that what she said isn't wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: You're literally living in that situation. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's actually that man, and he asked to be with someone.

1:26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, to be with her bombshell, and also who has not been in that situation? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's such a wild question to ask. [SPEAKER_01]: for something that had nothing to do with him? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's when I really, like that moment, I felt like, okay, that was a mean girl comment because I do think there's like, it's like a little disrespectful, like whoever chooses, like a lot of them make a lot of bad choices to hook up with people, and do whatever, like cater herself as well.

1:26:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just kind of weird, you could have, [SPEAKER_00]: question her about that, you know, as if she like did something wrong? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It was weird. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like it. [SPEAKER_01]: the way I saw it is like you're shaming her for being like dumb.

1:27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, we've all been dumb. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like, oh, he said all this, you were trying to hurt her annoyance. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just like he wasn't communicating. [SPEAKER_01]: He gave her, she gave him a number of times where he could, you know, he gave him an out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

1:27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And he just wouldn't take it. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, we're building to what something, we're building to what something. [SPEAKER_01]: But I couldn't tell if it was her just being mean for no reason or if it's like this [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which it is, but Jason is still taking it back by that.

1:27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh my god, like, why would you say that? [SPEAKER_01]: And Ariana was like, I mean, I think that's kind of harsh. [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, did not click that Keta saying that's not that harsh, babe. [SPEAKER_01]: I did not think he was so Ariana. [SPEAKER_01]: It was afterwards.

1:27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wait, Ariana's the one who said that was harsh. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: She like rolled her eyes or maybe she's not rolled her eyes, but she like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: She did something in the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, Kate, that's what I mean.

1:28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I was so confused right here, energy. [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: During the whole fight, Jaden kind of hinted that maybe Jen helped him write the text that he eventually sent afterwards. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, and he's like, are you guys, is there something there? [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, no, in such a weird way that he just friends.

1:28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just best friends. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they are. [SPEAKER_01]: Most importantly, I don't care. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, whatever it is that they want to do, they can be, but then Jen is whispering under her breath. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm going to follow Jayden after this.

1:28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't come to dinner with us. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't have, I'm like, what is wrong with this cast? [SPEAKER_01]: Please. [SPEAKER_01]: What is wrong with the other so odd? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the whole thing with Bryce, you know, his comments, you know, when Casey said the top four and, you know, Trinity, this is when Trinity was like, you know, and he's asking if that comment is what contributed to them not being friends because Casey had said, like, you know, there was a shift in all of that.

1:29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: For me, of course is contributed to that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like I already didn't care for you or like you. [SPEAKER_01]: And then now you're giving me reasons you do my girl dirty. [SPEAKER_01]: You made that comment. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she hadn't, he hadn't done dirty at the time.

1:29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But then now that you added, that's justification for her. [SPEAKER_01]: But she says it wasn't that. [SPEAKER_01]: They just weren't, you know, she doesn't care for him at the time. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody has different interpretations of what Bryce said.

1:29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it came out differently. [SPEAKER_01]: even though people are saying it's exactly what he said. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's a difference by saying if we weren't there, he didn't name names, but the way he was taking back it felt like it was specifically [SPEAKER_01]: about Trinity and Brice that if they made it then there would be a problem and I think that's different.

1:29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We say that and I'm not defending Casey in that way. [SPEAKER_01]: I think what he was trying to say was just like, he was thinking about him and his couple at that point. [SPEAKER_01]: It came out terribly. [SPEAKER_01]: I can see how we can be interpreted that way. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think he was trying to say, [SPEAKER_01]: like how Kada was like, yeah, why we didn't make it, you know, and not us.

1:30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But unfortunately, I think it contributed to the demise of what was already not a friendship. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, she didn't need to apologize again to Casey and TT because she's like, you know, I don't want, and that was good of her saying, like, you know, I don't want my followers compared to [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I don't support that.

1:30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: My followers in the bit to do that, you know what he deserves to get all that. [SPEAKER_01]: And TT apologizes to Anaya. [SPEAKER_01]: I think for the fire pit, I think, was what she apologised for? [SPEAKER_01]: I, at that time, but doesn't apologize. [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's throwing out a apologize.

1:30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you get one, you get one. [SPEAKER_01]: So Meli just kind of like, I don't Meli says like, they all went through this. [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they can all talk through this and then they can dead it and just like move on. [SPEAKER_01]: and they do a montage of all the things they went through as friends and my last thought of the reunion was like Andy's not coming back for this.

1:31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they don't pay me enough to do this. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to do this. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so I don't know if there's anything I left. [SPEAKER_01]: Guys it was so long. [SPEAKER_01]: It was like two hours and when you're taking notes it's like four hours.

1:31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like [SPEAKER_01]: A whole lot of nothing because a lot of things were not really covered because you know just going to keep things safe and at the end of the day you got a reunion, but was there anything else that stood out to you? [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so. [SPEAKER_00]: I really am still like, it was so unnecessarily long.

1:31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I also don't really love Hollywood style format. [SPEAKER_00]: I think, yeah, I just have a lot of like, I was kind of unsatisfied as well, which I had a feeling I would be, but I really wanted to go into it open-minded and like, okay, maybe I'll, you know, be surprised and stuff, but also like, I just don't think I care about the cast that much.

1:32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really do, even though it's unpopular technically, [SPEAKER_00]: I do like the core four. [SPEAKER_00]: Kada, she's on my bad side now. [SPEAKER_00]: I think like she has some poor decision making, moving in to Charlie and Zach, with two most, well, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know.

1:32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, no, I just don't think that makes any sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, [SPEAKER_00]: But I do really still love Melanie and Trinity and Nyan. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm rooting for them all, I'm excited to see what they'll do. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not going to be following them like crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: But when I do see, you know, magazines in there and it's stuff like that.

1:32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm happy for them. [SPEAKER_00]: But other than that, I really don't, like, I'm seeing all these people on TikTok all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to be content creators, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I don't even know if I'll muster the energy to watch beyond the villa.

1:32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So, we'll, I don't change, but yeah, this reunion definitely was not, yeah, I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't hitting me. [SPEAKER_01]: I think even within the core four, Keta and Trinity are closer and then Anaya Melanie are closer. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then pure. [SPEAKER_01]: Conjecture, Conjection, Projection, whatever the word is for me is that, you know, I won't keep wondering like, I think so I'm in the comment like, and I look sad.

1:33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the whole cast looks sad they said and just like she's quiet and I just thought like it feels like she has to do this core for a thing, but she doesn't necessarily, she's not necessarily a fan of how they handle things all the time. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've seen this meme where they have friends or sisters walking through where the person is like, I'm a fuck you up, whatever, and then someone's walking me up, like, I'm sorry.

1:33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I would be the person to be like, I'm not saying she doesn't get like, she can't stand up for herself. [SPEAKER_01]: But I just feel like she's different. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't know, but again, all projection. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any facts or any proof.

1:34:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the last thing I was thinking [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he said something about, was it about KC and stuff? [SPEAKER_01]: And I just wanted to think like there was a set section where, and I was losing it after the recoupling. [SPEAKER_01]: And Melanie made all this comments where it was like, he doesn't fit in your life and he's not, you know, that kind of basically implying like KC doesn't fit into her life.

1:34:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you do better? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, after we recoupling where she kind of lost it at the bottom of the stairs and said I should go call and then Melon is giving you a little pet talk and is basically I can't remember verbating what she said but the one thing I remember is like he doesn't fit into your life which a lot of people took to be like listen you come from up here he's down here I don't know if that's what she meant but it's like that would have been good to be like what did you mean you know when you [SPEAKER_01]: You know, said that.

1:34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was when you were talking about maybe we were trying to take a stab at TT when he was comparing them and say things like that. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that was the question that I would have been curious to know, like, you know, what did you mean by that, you know, Melanie and then even while you were going through that and I and KC like [SPEAKER_01]: Did you deep down?

1:35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No, like, you know, it was wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if he never came back with TTE, like, would you guys have just been trucking along? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, happy, like, you know, things like that. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, everything happened to you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we didn't explore a lot of those deeper conversations in moments in this reunion, which is like another reason as to why I was like, this is lacklust.

1:35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did not even go into like Trinity had all the smoke. [SPEAKER_01]: Where was all the smoke for Zach? [SPEAKER_01]: Zach kept saying things like, he doesn't like you. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, you should really explore the issue sale this. [SPEAKER_01]: Where was all the smoke for Zach and Bryce when they were sale these things?

1:35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Where, yes, they're trying to call out KC. [SPEAKER_01]: But at the expense of Anaya, they actually didn't know all these things. [SPEAKER_01]: She was finding out things during the game. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so where was all that talk where there was sewing on that like what do you think that the viewers thinking that you're trying to do this it's like exacting exists that got all stopped free and I'm like and also like you mentioned Kita was like his I mean public sister something I don't even know what you call it.

1:36:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was just deflecting anything that could even post you would answer all the questions kind of thing and like [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I also think they're trying to paint this pretty picture of like them being too loved, yeah, whatever, and he got away with it again, he always gets away with it, but I'm just like, yeah, there were so many things on explore it, yeah, I can.

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