Love Island USA: Casa Amor Post-Mortem w/Toma

[SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody, welcome to another episode of Tain Talks. [SPEAKER_01]: I am your host, Tain, here with a post-mortem of Casa Amor, aka Love Island USA, and I have a first time guest today. [SPEAKER_01]: Her name is Toma. [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Toma. [SPEAKER_01]: How are you? [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Tain.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wonderful. [SPEAKER_01]: So happy to be here. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having me. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for being on here like guys. [SPEAKER_01]: We interact on social We talk about all the different shows looks like we watch the same thing and movies because I remember Oscar season.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah About movies so I'm excited to have you on here because as I was telling you before we started recording things have gotten out of hand The fandom is crazy [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're used to it. [SPEAKER_01]: This is not the first time. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these things that are happening is also not the first time, but it's like, we're going to talk about it all, but I want to ask first, what were you overall thoughts on Casa More this year?

[SPEAKER_01]: This season. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I thought it was very, [SPEAKER_00]: How do I put it? [SPEAKER_00]: It was very ridiculous, but at the same time it was very entertaining. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was not the Casa I am used to just because I felt like it came early. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I have to look back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it didn't come early, but just because the relationships were so underdeveloped. [SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like it was a little ridiculous for them to leave each other at that time. [SPEAKER_00]: But it enjoyed the episodes in the madness of it, of course. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That is my description of the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've been guessing on a lot and talking about Love Island and they ask me because I'm watching UK as well And they're like USA or UK and I'm like USA It's ridiculous, but I'm entertained like regardless of what it is injected in my veins [SPEAKER_01]: And to your points, there are the people who do this fact checking and apparently we are on track with Cosmo more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and again, it's ending in like two weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: So we're in track, but yes, I agree with you. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank God for the recoupling. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it it took it up a notch a bit a bit and also, you know, the producers did their big one with costs.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got to give it to them because I was fully prepared for everyone to sleep in solty's, for everyone to say they're being faithful. [SPEAKER_01]: So they had to do what they had to do and they didn't write. [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I disagree with, I'll say is when they brought the 12 boys, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they should have let more guys stay more than six. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know why they decided to go that route because they did, I mean, they did their best, but the girls are still the girls and they just latch on to one person. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: The same thing. [SPEAKER_01]: But let's go back to the beginning from the heart rate challenge. [SPEAKER_01]: This is when they started doing their big one. [SPEAKER_01]: How did you feel about the TV screen and maybe then watch the live stream as Ariana chooses to call it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought that was incredible. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was so unexpected for me, but it was also, there was a lot going on. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, when they said the heart rate challenge, I was thinking the traditional heart rate challenge where they have monitors and they like, whoever raises the heart rate the most, and they just threw us for a loop.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think, regardless, it was necessary for them to be moving big like that, especially the, like you said, live stream, I guess they're calling it, which I don't know why they're referring to it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was needed and I actually was excited afterwards because I thought the the girls are ready to lock in and be like let's Open our options and not focus on these guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're clearly not showing up how we need them to but then Last we see how they actually go back to yeah, yeah, we did [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was a great idea, um, everything was on theme with what this season has been so far, because especially when are you watching UK? [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sad. [SPEAKER_00]: I really haven't had the time. [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, that's the only reason I did start it and then I just didn't get to fall through. [SPEAKER_01]: That, I mean, that's okay, this too much. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're trying to get together. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I watched the UK and they had their heart rate challenge, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, you know, what do you used to be? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, who raised the heart rates? [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was actual dancing. [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was all these performances. [SPEAKER_01]: But for USA, it just felt like I was watching men at Magic City.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a strip club. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, [SPEAKER_01]: The lust in their eyes also, the lungs, the eyes, the hooded eyes and I'm like the slapping of the, yeah, I was like, okay, I mean, yes Strange it was like an opportunity for them to go wild. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know what it is in a sense, but [SPEAKER_00]: And I think like you said comparatively to UK, I guess that's where my head is out when I'm thinking about the challenges and so it just seems like there's a different intention and because of the quality of the man, I really don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but that's why I'm like, it's on track with this season because even if it's not the UK season six is where Miguel gave us that choke and then the fight like this a performance, there's something to it, then just uglink the girls and everybody just came out lustful. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the word of the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: The word of the season mind you, they don't even know what it means, like I am not lustful and like envy Please, maybe girl, are you sure you know what that word means? [SPEAKER_00]: She probably is she thinks she's smarter than ever [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, so that's what it was, but again, maybe that's the intention so that the girls get fired up because if it is a performance, maybe they could switch it up and lucky guy, you know, it's a heart rate challenge, you had to do what they had to do, but I felt so bad for the girls because we saw them practice.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were ready to give us a show. [SPEAKER_01]: Mel was on all four. [SPEAKER_01]: Can see was stretching, splitting and no one was more disappointed than her because I know from her intro package, that was the moment she was waiting her time to shy. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why she did her anchor splits because she was like, I didn't get my moment to do my dance.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, my clam slam. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, guys, at some point we both watched after son. [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to talk about it because again, the people are in a frenzy about after son. [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like I watch something. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, okay, that was nice.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I go online, I was like, oh, I guess it wasn't nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Every time it seems like I'm having these crazy reactions when I go online and it feels like I miss something crazy like what's going on? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, guys. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a TV show and also we're speaking on the things that we are shown.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I can't stress that enough like there's so much unseen footage. [SPEAKER_01]: There are things we don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: They come on and they say things that we had no idea and then it changes everything else. [SPEAKER_00]: What do we think about the men and the women's choices?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any thoughts on that? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, a lot of the odds, of course, but I think overall, I'm just not understanding what they are viewing as connections this season because even though I know like a lot of them are focused on like, if you're a day one, I'm going to make it to the end kind of thing so I'm kind of came in early focused on one person tried to make it work and then kind of went crazy down the line.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think for me, I haven't seen a couple yet that I can 100% confidently root for in terms of a real genuine connection. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I'm struggling with. [SPEAKER_00]: Because it feels like every pair and it's just kind of like, like, he's at lustful or with some strategy behind him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: I, okay, I'm skipping ahead. [SPEAKER_01]: I think, and let me know if you disagree, [SPEAKER_01]: point where we are. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, at this point, I'm like, who's going to be second and third? [SPEAKER_01]: Because again to your point, I don't see connections.

[SPEAKER_01]: The word I use always is like, who's making me cheese? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: No one's making me cheese. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not looking at them like, yeah, I know like in my [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, no, I literally, that's what I was struggling with. [SPEAKER_00]: I just talked about this in my last video.

[SPEAKER_00]: It with brinity, people are coming for me because I said I still haven't really seen the real genuine connection from them. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to believe in it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and I love Trinity. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I just wish we could just send her to the end. [SPEAKER_00]: I just think she's amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I kind of want to see her with whoever genuinely makes her happy. [SPEAKER_00]: But my team with her embraces. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that I think that they're faking it because some people are saying that they're totally faking it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just I hadn't had any moments yet where I saw them connecting and I was like, wow, that's really sweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's really wonderful. [SPEAKER_00]: Like they really should give it a go. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I just haven't seen anything that really sold me. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's the part. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that I think that they're [SPEAKER_00]: actually faking it because a lot of people are saying that they um studied pre-nix and you know what not that's not the case here for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Trinity is genuine. [SPEAKER_00]: I really really do. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that she's trying to be a lingerie like people are saying I don't think any of that. [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's coming in as real as possible. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not as confident with um Bryce but I want to see them win.

[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of who would be up next it's just hard because right now you can't [SPEAKER_00]: like with the goodness of your heart, vote, your audience and seeer, but technically, in terms of connections that are continuing to find each other, they are one, right? [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to make me say that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I see, I completely hear what you're saying, but it's just, the words can't come out of my mouth. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not good. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, and joking, just say again, but it's like, that's just because we're not, we're in such a weird place with these [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the only difference is I have seen moments with Bryce and Trinity where I feel like I like their conversation when she gave him like a pedicure I really like that and they were talking when he talked about his stepfather introducing to music and again I know like other people are probably having that conversation but that's what they showed us but just the fact that they're having that the fact that she was comfortable enough to tell him about you know I'm a black girl here you might have

[SPEAKER_01]: like something else. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel insecure about that. [SPEAKER_01]: Or even something as little as when she pulled up the covers and was like, you're showing everybody your dick. [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even seen it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like something. [SPEAKER_01]: This is so like, it shows your comfortable, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: I like that about them. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh, I've seen it. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, oh, that's my first white. [SPEAKER_01]: Like things like that. [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, not to intro. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go ahead.

[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I shouldn't say that I don't see. [SPEAKER_00]: I think my issue now that we're talking about it is really like I'm cheated from just how one black women are treated on this show. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do how everything went down with Nicola Andrea as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think for me I was always going I wasn't like 100% Nicola Andrea from day one. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like this is something I saw the cute moments like right away. [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like [SPEAKER_00]: This could be you. [SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't have the 100% confidence. [SPEAKER_00]: And then as soon as they, you know, solidified it, I was like, oh, yeah, for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I wasn't one who thought they'd be the fakeers, but with Trinity and Bryce, I think some of that, like, lasting, like, you know, nerf, this around trusty and just suggest me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just trusting these men in general, I think in their intentions because, yeah, now everyone comes in with this idea of what this show can do for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's a bias there too. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like I know that I'm missing moments too. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I see them and I can't let myself feel them. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, no, I completely understand.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very open about this like I did not see the Necalangia moments. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not coming here like I saw it and you know it from the no I did not I'm not one who saw it like I think they're cute now and they're still together a year after but when they were like, oh, they're looking at it and I was like, no, like Olandria where I think they're similar is that Olandria just never saw herself with a white man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, never did. [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't even think that they would find her attractive. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where she's similar with Trinity. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Now with Bryce, only because I think his best friend or his friend said online that, you know, he does stay black woman and that is his type and look how he went for Sydney and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But for a Trinity, she's just like, am I really like, do you really want me? [SPEAKER_01]: But there was a pool, which is why that day one, where they stood in each other's door, when they did not have to. [SPEAKER_01]: She easily could have known to K.C. [SPEAKER_01]: or whoever, but she didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I know there's something there. [SPEAKER_01]: My distrust comes from his friendship with Zach, not in the way you're in or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: It's in the way like, Zach is being strategic. [SPEAKER_01]: That is a student of the show. [SPEAKER_01]: That is dropping nuggets, I feel, Bryce is picking them up and throwing them around.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna talk about it when we talk about the whole KC conversation where he told Trinity and then Trinity brings it up at the most he not puts you in time. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what's making me, [SPEAKER_01]: side eye a little bit like what part of it is a game like I know they monitor them all the time, but has there been a conversation with like Zack and Bryce, even though I know it sounds ridiculous, that's my hesitation.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're so writing, that's a good point that I honestly didn't even think of for myself, too, because I have been wanting Zack off of the show. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I just don't know over him, I really didn't even get out of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, let me give him a chance. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a little bit cuter than Charlie.

[SPEAKER_00]: He might be less in the mask. [SPEAKER_01]: He is. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: I have this conversation all the time. [SPEAKER_01]: He looks like he belongs with a bug's life, but he is cuter than Charlie. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he looks like an animated character.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's pretty it. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think he's more attractive than Charlie. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was best linked to give it. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to give him that chance. [SPEAKER_00]: But then I saw how he moved and it's very, you know, being like you said a student of the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I didn't really even realize how much my Distain for Bryce. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry for Zach. [SPEAKER_00]: I have a confidence in the way that Zach is like I do believe you strategic I guess I forget how that plays into Bryce because Bryce no offense kind of like follows. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say follows Zach, but yeah Like him he let's him have a lot of input.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes [SPEAKER_01]: whether he knows it or not. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so that's my thing is like [SPEAKER_01]: I hope there's not, they seem to have a thing against Casey. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I don't know if it's me reading into it, what they're showing into me. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my only hesitation.

[SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, if we had to vote, it would be them. [SPEAKER_01]: Who else? [SPEAKER_01]: There's nobody else that we can't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody else. [SPEAKER_01]: Pick. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's that. [SPEAKER_01]: So the cast I'm in come in all the cast up people. [SPEAKER_01]: Boys, girls, they are just laying it on thick.

[SPEAKER_01]: as genuine as it could come off. [SPEAKER_01]: We've had other cast-up people. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the cast-up people fare well in the US, Love Island. [SPEAKER_01]: They fare better in the UK. [SPEAKER_01]: We've even had a cast-up person win. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, uh, in the UK.

[SPEAKER_01]: So here, they're almost always like castaways from the very beginning. [SPEAKER_01]: So I knew they have to work even harder. [SPEAKER_01]: They have to work 10 times harder this season because this is Marida, first sight love island. [SPEAKER_01]: So the women, they already know who they want, they are going hard, they're like, we are making it to the villa, that's our win this season.

[SPEAKER_01]: The men, they know they have a hard job and they are laying it on thick, especially Mr. Rindstone Corey. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just he's laying on thick for a Melanie, but because she's paired up with sincere, we're like, you know what, we'll take it, like just go with it and get something genuine because it's hard to believe that.

[SPEAKER_01]: her first date is from Cory and not the man that she's been crashing out over and I don't even think I realized it and the lack of romance because a spoiled us last season and telling all the men to do things and all the whatever but these men are just posting because this women are willing to like die on a hill for them and he took her in a day put her on the blanket did all the things and I was like oh my god I don't think since they are done this [SPEAKER_01]: for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: This is what I've been screaming about for the past few days because I actually immediately, I shouldn't say immediately, but pretty soon in realize like there is no there haven't been any little cute moments like that where the boys are quarantined in girls like they're happening in the past.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, like you said, I know we had ace before who's puppeteering all the date, but it's just in general. [SPEAKER_00]: It's always a thing to show. [SPEAKER_00]: They have to show the person that they're interested in. [SPEAKER_00]: Little moments like little cute things. [SPEAKER_00]: They always hide away and they have not had one cute moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: When this date with Cory happened, I literally said, I believe Melanie, that this is the most considerate thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyone has done in the villa for her because it'd be the most considerate thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Any of the men have done in the villa at all for anyone. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is sad, and we're about to end in two weeks, and you're not, so I guess this is a good time for me to confess that I hate the whole bringing breakfast thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really why so much. [SPEAKER_01]: It's too much. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me put like the UK, sorry guys, if you guys don't watch, I'm sorry about the comparison, but they're the blueprint, but [SPEAKER_01]: They just bring them tea or coffee the way you like it or whatever, but the whole breakfast and pancakes and they're about to wear bikinis That's a heavy breakfast No one's really eat that Sometimes you might not be in the moods flat and it's all the effort I think they should show their cuteness in other ways But I don't know something about the whole breakfast thing Because I don't know if they even want to do it and if they're forced to do it [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just bring the coffee the tea seems like easy stakes because the breakfast things like when they fight And then they don't bring it then it becomes this huge thing. [SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like everything becomes so heavy and that's why They're latching on so quickly so like in the UK if you bring just tea that's fine If you kiss on the terrace, it's a big deal But here when they let them oh, let's kiss immediately.

[SPEAKER_01]: It means nothing so all these things become not a grand gesture because [SPEAKER_01]: they're making it at every day thing for people who just met. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's totally valid. [SPEAKER_00]: I think with the breakfast thing, it did kind of get a little bit out of hand, because now it is really like, okay, you just have, it seems like you just should bring breakfast, you have to bring breakfast.

[SPEAKER_00]: Before, and maybe I miss remembering, but it always felt like more of a natural thing of like, yeah, starred to now, it's like they're taking breakfast orders. [SPEAKER_00]: Which like I guess it's fine because you're trying to, you know, but it's also, yeah, it just makes it feel a little bit more contrived versus natural like, oh, like I made you this now it's like a little bit of a competition or I don't know something weird some energy behind it like you said.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we got a fight about pancakes last season when Chris made two instead of three and then that and again, it they're the producers if he's into the drama I get it, but personally I'm just like, let's take it out. [SPEAKER_01]: They won't. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Kenzie has Dylan Dylan looks like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Zach from all stars. [SPEAKER_01]: the American who went over to a flat. [SPEAKER_00]: We look like, okay, yeah, yeah, if he looks like somebody, but I kind of didn't point. [SPEAKER_01]: But he also has eyes on Gaul because Kinsey's not complete unless he has what a roster. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just two people, but okay, it's a roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Kinsey coming in with, I've never had a roster before. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think we're having a roster now. [SPEAKER_00]: We've never seen her without multiple people, like it's kind of funny. [SPEAKER_01]: And now she feels at home like oh my god, I should be less than after I first was like what is happening?

[SPEAKER_01]: No one wants me? [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like I'm so after every moment like did you notice that before with Caleb who's talking about her perfect cowboy her dream man cowboy meat Now it's what's his name Dylan and it's my perfect man surfer babies I'm so excited I've always wanted surfer babies first of all what are surfer babies?

[SPEAKER_00]: I just yeah, that's something I need to get more of it [SPEAKER_00]: Second of all, how is it that every man that you meet is your perfect XYZ? [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, every white man, she meets exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not perfect man.

[SPEAKER_01]: The thing with Kenzie is like, I don't think I realized that she has really bad chats, but I think the producers do know and they want to remind us because every episode starts with something so insane. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought I was going to fail fifth grade, so I wanted to prove to myself I'm smart, so I went to nursing school.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, my gosh. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Kenzie, what are you saying here? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she pains me. [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's a good way to put it. [SPEAKER_00]: She pains me. [SPEAKER_01]: Because she's just making up stuff on the fly. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is sugar. [SPEAKER_01]: This is spicy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is what what? [SPEAKER_00]: He just talking. [SPEAKER_00]: She just saying stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's like, Kenzie please, like let's have some thoughts, [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Trinity tried. [SPEAKER_01]: She did try with Cory. [SPEAKER_01]: She kissed him in the photo booth and she's like, yeah, this is not working for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then she was sleeping in saltized. [SPEAKER_01]: I was proud of the other girls not doing what she did because I thought, oh, one person is in saltized. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, then we all have to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm proud of them for not doing that. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think that's what adds to their story too is that Bryce and Trinity have tried to explore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the price go try to explore KDA afterwards just to check the box and say, hey, knowing fully well that she's not going to want him. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Like you have to know she turned it on once she's your best mates girl. [SPEAKER_01]: So the nothing is going to come out of it, but you can say, I did explore.

[SPEAKER_01]: I tried and that's over and done with. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that because [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I feel like one, it came out of nowhere and I get it like you're saying he's trying to check off the box I tried, but also I think he could have just maybe done it differently or done it some with somebody else.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it just didn't feel like super genuine and I think it also felt like a tiny bit disrespectful to Trinity in a sense because you're like, oh, like I guess now he's retroactively realizing 100% that that's his girl, but I just didn't like the way he wouldn't about that at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't get as much smoke, but, you know, you know, you know, I'd see you there. [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what I'm kind of understand. [SPEAKER_01]: Who we picking and choosing was getting the smoke in the fire, but it's very confusing to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can't follow.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I just have to stick with what I know. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was what I was doing because everyone has, it just goes from one thing to the other. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, our girl and I, like, you know, we're trying to back this girl up. [SPEAKER_01]: She's crying with Carl, but it's very obvious that she does not want Carl.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think at some point, they kissed the way she pulled back was like, oh, okay, um, I do want to ask you. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about her comment in the makeup room? [SPEAKER_01]: My she was like, if we're going to be honest, I think Casey find his foot and I want to be with [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I meant a lot to me and meant that you know, I shouldn't be harsh on her because I really don't want to know where I do love her and I hate the hate she's getting isn't seen, but are for the course we know how these things go with yeah, I'm on these shows, but I really was annoyed with her like, [SPEAKER_00]: Just like Trinity basically Trinity summed it up perfectly for me, which he said, okay, well, if you want to keep playing with him and get your feeling certain fine, like he's going to keep playing you, I think a Naya, it's weird because I didn't really fully understand it in the beginning, like I really didn't know if she was into him, there were so many different factors that, right, that I just wasn't, you know, short, but then when she's saying this comment, I'm realizing that she's genuinely attracted to him, which is playing a part in her.

[SPEAKER_00]: like her indecisiveness, I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I started to feel like, wow, she might really be attracted to him is an after-son when I believe it was a mora. [SPEAKER_00]: One of the girls, one of the girls said that Casey is so fine in person. [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's so, he's like the hottest one in the villa or something like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking, oh, so these women are thinking that he's super attractive. [SPEAKER_00]: And so all of his like nonsense and games is kind of like [SPEAKER_00]: He's able to get away with more because I don't think he comes off as like that attractive What I was about to say when I was gonna ask you I was like wait you sound like you don't think like Casey's like the man is fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he's attractive. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, see that's the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I just I didn't see him as fine Like I see him as like attractive of course. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like I wasn't thinking oh like he's the hottest one in the villa I mean, I don't think many of them are hot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: That's like [SPEAKER_01]: I was 90s, I wouldn't be video-fine. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, not like Jaylin hurts because I've seen that comparison of like relax. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think you can also, I started to get less and less attracted to him. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how he was moving with Anaya because I did stand up for him when he said that speech to her about like dark skin black women and there's definitely some stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because even though it was corny for me, just watching these shows, particularly Love Island, [SPEAKER_00]: even no matter what U.S. UK, or we know how black Americans do. [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought even if it's corny, he's saying this on national television and making it be known, and I really thought that was a great thing to do just generally.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then people were going back and forth saying, oh, he's just doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: He's just giving what's it called. [SPEAKER_00]: He just wanted to look a kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I think he was genuine blah, blah, blah, fast fortune out everything he said and done has taken away from that for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think maybe sometimes when I'm thinking of how attractive he is, I just think and you know, like cause of how he's acted. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a friend like that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like no matter how fun you are or attractive you are, once your actions don't align, you just look like terrible to her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's how she rated. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm totally. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so many thoughts to that because I still don't think that an IA likes Casey, but I'll come back to that. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, remember what I was about to say. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember, but I was like, I don't think that she likes him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think she just wants to be chosen. [SPEAKER_01]: When she said that comment of like, you know, Casey's find his book, I want to be with fine shit. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking Carl is not ugly. [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's more attracted to Casey, but he's also not ugly. [SPEAKER_01]: But that comment to me just, and again, all my thoughts, I don't know her.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what she's really thinking. [SPEAKER_01]: Just feels like she, she's, [SPEAKER_01]: public perception, you know, like, you want to do people with a like, oh, when I go out, I want people to say, oh, me and my man are so hot. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see, you know, that kind of thing, like when we look together and it's like, okay, yeah, you were capable of pulling a fine man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so they're all these layers because again, all the talk of [SPEAKER_01]: She's never really said, what is it you like about KC? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: He reassures me. [SPEAKER_01]: He says this, he pulls, but what do you like about him? [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna talk about Trinity's speech, because I went to go rewind, I never want you anything to wise, but I wanted to be sure that what I'm saying is what I saw on TV.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the comparison, like we should compare her, but Trinity's speech, she was very specific about what she likes about price, including his head-ass relationship with Zach. [SPEAKER_01]: That is specific to him. [SPEAKER_01]: As we stand, I don't know what Anaya likes about KC, especially when she was miserable the whole time.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what is there to root for, except for the fact that you want to look great in front of everybody else, and you want to be with fine shit, which is not bad at, not that's not a bad thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Who doesn't want to be with fine shit, fine is relative, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody finds different things attractive.

[SPEAKER_01]: the whole chosen thing, two of them want to be chosen and is like, are you just connecting because you want to be chosen? [SPEAKER_01]: And what else is there that you have? [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't make you happy. [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't feel enough when you were with him. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, when Trinity says, let your fine shit keep doing your dirty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Keep doing your dummy. [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing else to say after that. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: And I definitely think that, like you said, there is some underlying, like, I do not see anything that and I really likes about him. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see it as like a positive relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even when he did give that blueprint speech, yeah, did it from what we saw, didn't seem like it was like, really touching her, meaningfully, and in general, I just didn't see a lot of [SPEAKER_00]: Um, what's the word that I just didn't see a lot from her in terms of really wanting him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think a lot of it has to do with being chosen. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, I don't think she really like is in love with this man or anything like that. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was more so like they got put together. [SPEAKER_00]: She started to feel like, okay, he's hot, whatever, like I want to see it through.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then when he's basically over it, she's like, [SPEAKER_00]: What like, you know, she's like, oh, I was done dirty, which I do think in some ways he did do her dirty, but at the same time nothing was ever there if you really like look at it, they didn't really have a great connection.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah, I don't know, I just feel like she's kind of playing herself a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: You said about Carl like. [SPEAKER_00]: Car, I think Carl's hot. [SPEAKER_00]: He, he's gonna eat a hotter after some, but good. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, everything he says to and he could just be, you know, showing face, but like, oh my gosh, like you're an authentic, kind, genuine guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just really, I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like that to me, if I were Naya, like, [SPEAKER_00]: What isn't that better than what came off of you in a sense? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't seem to see it that way, so I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going on with her to be honest. [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been able to figure it out. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to hear what her thoughts on it and again, giving grace because it's a pressure cooker environment and it's a lot and they're young. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just keep saying that, but also has not all the seasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: Haven't they all been young, but yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Besides the point, AC put himself in a corner when he, you know, gave that speech to her. [SPEAKER_01]: She's a blueprint and all. [SPEAKER_01]: I said it was cute, but I also said, yeah, literally, too early. [SPEAKER_01]: Like they did, don't say it because not you've backed yourself into a corner.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what are you going to do when someone like so comes in and you're like, if I'm the blueprint and I look nothing like so there what that means. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so it's all like, but it was all in the same vein because they were all sounding like they wanted the public's votes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they wanted to, you know, be on the side of, you know, whatever the Pope, what they think the audience, you know, wants to hear. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's, let's get into case he's crimes. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because I think what people are forgetting is like two things multiple things can be true at the same time.

[SPEAKER_01]: And some people are wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: And some people were right, but we'll get into it. [SPEAKER_01]: Casey's crimes after they got the mailbox, which the boys did not notice until five hours later because boys, he says, I'm thrown off with an eyeer. [SPEAKER_01]: I ain't never seen her with that much happiness.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way to interpret that statement as a positive. [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you saying it that way? [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you Corbin said, I'm happy for her. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Falkenzie. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's good. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, decision. [SPEAKER_01]: All good, but you're like, I'm thrown off.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you thrown off that she has that much happiness? [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't sound nice. [SPEAKER_01]: Since Sarah says, are you happy for her? [SPEAKER_01]: He says, nah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't give a fuck either way. [SPEAKER_00]: Why was like, what in the world? [SPEAKER_00]: This is what made me think he started, he was like, a villain.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand the, maybe he wasn't a switchup, maybe that's what he was. [SPEAKER_01]: And we didn't know the whole time. [SPEAKER_01]: But now we're doing too much. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: too much. [SPEAKER_01]: And then he says, well, like, she's on the thin ass line. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, worse, worse. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just worse and worse. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, any argument she brings up. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna, but I think since her cut him off, I was like, you don't think you're in a thin ass line as well. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, nah, I think I have more leeway, because I literally spoke life into her every fucking day, bro.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness. [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to scream. [SPEAKER_00]: What does he mean that's so like invalidating? [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you speak life into somebody, if you're not doing it to get anything from that, that's your, that should be genuine. [SPEAKER_00]: That should not mean if things don't work out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Like it shouldn't, I don't feel so inauthentic. [SPEAKER_01]: it was gross because he made it sound like he it's like a slot machine and he he says like when I speak life into her then he buys me credits and that way I'm not on thin line so I have more leeway leeway for what she's a human being exactly just write it perfectly yeah so I was like well that's gross and it's what's worse is the way he set himself up by oh i'm a good guy i'm this [SPEAKER_01]: I know everyone's giving Corbyn shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: You guys. [SPEAKER_01]: I just give the man props for being himself through and through. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not trying to be anything but himself. [SPEAKER_01]: So whatever you think of Corbyn, you know that that's what Corbyn is for, for worse or for worse. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's doing, he's standing onto it and he's doing a heating strategy like oh I'm this and that he did kind of tell kids that they had a connection, maybe the physical was silent, but I don't know, but [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But for Casey, I said, I go, no, I'm not going to do anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm your fine and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: And then now saying all this, it makes it 10 times worse. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think what it is is Casey is suffering from shout out to Kendrick for this theory, where he's just like a lot of these people come on.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they suddenly realized they're not the hottest person, because they come from a small town, and they were the hottest people. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they have to deal with that. [SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of feel like Casey was dealing with that a little bit. [SPEAKER_01]: When he got into the house, expecting to be like, again, like we said, Casey's fine or attractive, whichever one.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he came in and it was like no one stood in front of his door. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone was going for that. [SPEAKER_01]: The way people went crazy for Corribut, which him and Anaya kind of similar in a way that the way Anaya just connected with Melanie and the way he connected with Corribut, almost like these are the people that I see as what do they have that [SPEAKER_01]: for whatever, not parasocial part, whatever the word is, just, yeah, like, not that you're my enemy, but you know, keep your enemy's closer, but let me see what they have, maybe I can get something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Out of it, I think Casey got into Casa Moore and it's suddenly the guy that he envisioned he would be in the villa. [SPEAKER_01]: So, not all the girls are coming in and they're like, oh, that's the guy I want. [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's multiple guys that I want. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you can say, [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm changing my mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be with T.T. [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, yes, this is the experience. [SPEAKER_01]: This is how I see myself. [SPEAKER_01]: He throws them on the bed when he was to kiss them. [SPEAKER_01]: When Races Alana was trying to get on him and he just got so excited and slapping her ass and was like, oh, my bad, he's unleashed.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, that's what he's doing. [SPEAKER_01]: He's making up for how they made him feel when he came in and he felt like he had no choice. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you're right in the villa. [SPEAKER_01]: and he just went too far and he was too far. [SPEAKER_00]: But I also think that I kind of see people kept saying that they were confused by an IS saying that she was, she felt reassured by him and then going back and saying that she didn't feel reassured by him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Looking back, I do think there was some intentionality behind how KC was behaving with her. [SPEAKER_00]: Really make her feel confused because yeah, it was putting on like you said almost like a good guy Sort of face On it yes, and I think him reassuring her was actually a little bit false because he didn't really feel how he was showing her I think I think I think I don't think it was like he [SPEAKER_00]: We was really into her and then suddenly he wasn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was he felt how he felt like he was like, okay, I mean obviously she's an attractive woman. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: But like the things he's saying now about T.T. [SPEAKER_00]: like where they're from and their family background and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was always there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he just kind of wanted to, but one, he had no choice because denial was basically his only choice. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He just wanted to like kind of see it through. [SPEAKER_00]: So he's telling her, oh, yes, of course I'm into you. [SPEAKER_00]: Of course you're amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, of course, of course, all these things, but it's really not matching up with how he feels. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't doubt that he liked her actually like that is not even a doubt in my mind that he did like her But that's why we date right and as you date and as you find out things about people that you're like, oh This doesn't work.

[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't work. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he was dating her. [SPEAKER_01]: He was realizing like, okay There's some things we have to work through, but I am willing to work through then they have their first test with soul And then I kept saying I don't care go ahead and explore, but then her body language says something different That's it is like oh [SPEAKER_01]: how do I manage this?

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not trying to hurt her feelings, but in so many words he did say he wanted to explore, but I think where he messed up is like he was not 100% true. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so too. [SPEAKER_01]: He lied by your mission also and by actual lying because he told, um, who did he tell?

[SPEAKER_01]: He told the guys or so, whoever, he told one person that it was because since Sarah came in, [SPEAKER_01]: And then he didn't have a person that it was because he didn't want to eat all the Naya, that he didn't want to ruin a good thing for some mystery shit. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, that's why it's just to make sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you're not being true. [SPEAKER_01]: But then on another occasion, she's like, when she asked about out, well, would you have gone for so, and he was like, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably would have. [SPEAKER_01]: So then you told her that you didn't want to mess up the good thing you have, but then you're like, yes, I would have and then when it was trying to save people, you want it to save soul and then you are like, if we keep her, would you go for and he's like, yeah, that's not what you didn't give a Naya a definite.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's what I mean. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like, there was a little bit of back and forth. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you can't like be like, I'm reassuring you feeling this way and then at the same time, you're kind of like, like, I don't know, he just a little too wishy-washy, but at the same time, he's trying to say that he's not.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's so confusing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he's wishy-washy, he's also realizing that [SPEAKER_01]: He kinda has to tip dough around the naya to tell her stuff because she's gonna say one thing, but she feels a different way. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, good guy persona, not wanna be the bad guy, trying to not hurt her feelings, but also trying to be wishy-washy.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's too much. [SPEAKER_00]: It's too much, and I told myself, confident, like you said, her body language always has otherwise. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just don't think she's confident in her, like she wants all or nothing, like you either 100% like me and we're, we go together or not kind of thing, but she will be that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she also has that pressure of like, I want to, we're on the, you know, we have to be open. [SPEAKER_00]: We have to explore, like that's a bit. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're both, it's just hard because [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and she still believes in fairy tales. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I cover a bunch of different shows. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always like, when people, like, when I see, like, grown adults, I don't think I classify her there. [SPEAKER_01]: She's still pretty young, but when I see, like, greeners, like, I just want to be swept away. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: in real life, it's a little concerning. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the last of Casey's crimes was laughing and talking with Corbin. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I was like high school versus college girls. [SPEAKER_01]: So now I think the thing to note is that we've seen it and I have not seen any of this.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is just the stupid boy talk when they're talking and laughing and all that, not forgetting that they're in a TV show that we're going to see it and I think that's was also so crazy is like when people do things in front of a camera I'm like, guys, yeah, what are you doing off camera?

[UNKNOWN]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, moving on sincere, who's someone that I don't understand why he's not getting all the smoke because he's been moving crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: He's been making a shit. [SPEAKER_01]: They can see it. [SPEAKER_01]: We can't see what Casey has done, but they can see it and [SPEAKER_01]: He's not getting half of what Casey's getting, but he did make a comment.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who he was talking to, where he said like the girls in the main villa. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not even talking to the boys in the main villa. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: kind of made me sad because I'm like, I do wish they knew that this is a lifetime, wasn't a lifetime experience in that how many people get to be on love island?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like tech arguably the biggest show in the United States every summer and if I know you're there for the romantic connections but it just also have to fool experience. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not talking to the boys because like, oh, don't talk to your man and I'm like, really, it is that bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think we've come so far like love island has evolved into something very, I don't want to say very different, but something bigger and different because it's bigger as well with the the intertwining of social media and all sorts of stuff because I do think like what I loved. [SPEAKER_00]: When I started watching love island like from UK in the beginning, [SPEAKER_00]: was that people weren't coupling up like the elite because they just wanted to be in the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were coupling up immediately because they their connection grew really fast or they felt it was, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: And people were locking in based off of like that versus in and not all the time, but just like personally, people were [SPEAKER_00]: forming these connections and forming the friendships on the side and moving accordingly.

[SPEAKER_00]: But now there's just so many other factors that go into it, even if there's subconscious factors like longevity and things like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Like now you have to think they [SPEAKER_00]: they are conscious about the fact that it plays better if they couple up like historically it plays better if they've coupled up in the beginning and they're able to make it through the whole time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Historically that's like looked at as very positive and more of a chance of being favored by the public. [SPEAKER_00]: So they're thinking of these things and I think it affects how they move. [SPEAKER_00]: Like and I see that a lot with this season. [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like everyone is moving so [SPEAKER_00]: still trying to just go with their feelings and they're got and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's a lot for the guys of like strategy underneath and it's really affecting like how it's going because yeah, now it looks it looks crazy like the most of the guys except Caleb and I guess Bryce a little bit look crazy and how they're moving you know like because they are not moving with like heart or care like they're moving based off of I guess [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you just reminded me one more thing that I'm being pessimistic about Bryce for, and it's not fair, but again, like you said, PTSD is black women fair well on USA.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've had how many back when we make it to the final and win. [SPEAKER_01]: And a little part of me is like, does Bryce know this? [SPEAKER_01]: Is he just standing too? [SPEAKER_01]: Because if anything, she gets those votes and as long as I treat her, we're like, I don't want to take away from what they have.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so hard for me to say, but it's just, [SPEAKER_01]: PTSD, these need to stay. [SPEAKER_01]: This happened to just team. [SPEAKER_01]: This happened to Zeta. [SPEAKER_01]: This happened to they did that. [SPEAKER_01]: They did all the things and then afterwards to true story comes out and it's like, oh my god, because um, just things guy, what's his name, Caleb also, I believe, for some reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: He did the same thing. [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, you're a dark scene woman, but you are this, you are that or whatever, and the old time you had a girlfriend and stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: So these are all the things that are playing into. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not attacking the man's character for anybody thinking that it's just watching off these shows that I have residue.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're patterns, and it's okay to note its patterns. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, I don't want to take away from them. [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't like, I wish I could be like, oh, yeah, this is perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: This is great, but we have patterns. [SPEAKER_00]: We have information, and it's hard not to take those things into account.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, even as recent as last season, where Brian, they found out that Maya was the fan favorite. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, everybody suddenly wanted to be with [SPEAKER_01]: and then how many weeks after it was done. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, these are things like we just can't act like don't exist.

[SPEAKER_01]: We want the love story. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's genuine, but you know. [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, back to Sincere's crimes. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want us to forget this man's crimes. [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's putting away with too much. [SPEAKER_01]: He also makes a comment that, oh man, that he was forgetting Melanie.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he was forgetting her in a bad way. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that means, but he does something. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, it was really like a hate how he words in some time. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think what he was trying to say was that he didn't actually forget what he looked like.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he was starting to be detached from her in a sense and then seeing the postcard beat him like remember like. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like, like, because he, I'll just write out a mind. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's the way to describe it. [SPEAKER_00]: How I was thinking he was thinking, like, she, he's been able because he's not there with her and seeing her, just not envisioning her in a weird way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, [SPEAKER_00]: Like if that is the case, it makes it even worse because he is like, oh my god, I can't like I get fired up when I talk about him because he's pretty good you're like me is so I don't want to say like a player, but I think he knows what he's done to Melanie like he knows he's got Melanie hook line and sinker and I think the way that he [SPEAKER_00]: kind of does it like respect her or doesn't maybe move like he respects her is kind of just what it is now like I don't think he's ever going to then respect her in the future I think he just kind of knows he's got her like he even said knows like I think underlying is like yeah I know what we've got and I know like you see couples like this in the real world where

[SPEAKER_00]: feel so sinister for me, is that like what are you even saying those words? [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot what you looked like, it's just so absurd. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you're gaking out with a mora, a mora, like deep into it, and like Melanie's not really ever at the back of your head.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard for me to really get behind [SPEAKER_00]: them because it's just so it feels so toxic and so like just kind of like they know they're going to go together. [SPEAKER_00]: So that is whatever else is done, they'll have to either fight about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not like it. [SPEAKER_01]: I just they if I'm trying not to be so [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying it fight or fuck couple yes we are just we know that we already know what the finish line is we're gonna stay together you know she's not going anywhere she knows that she's just gonna tell him [SPEAKER_01]: Treat me right, treat me right, and then still go back to him and it's like, you know, we fight it out or we're going to fuck it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just, that's just what how I see them. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't really write that's like unfortunately cut it the best way to put it out there. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, they were just taking us along for the ride. [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, thankfully when the show is done, we're not part of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just so annoying to watch it, knowing what the, no one doubted that he was not gonna come back alone. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care that in the recoupling. [SPEAKER_01]: He told her like, if we had longer time, no doubt you would have been the one. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: He said that the soul.

[SPEAKER_01]: He said it was going to give her the soul treatment, but we absolutely knew that he was going to come back single because that is their pattern and that's what it's going to be. [SPEAKER_01]: He's shown her multiple times. [SPEAKER_01]: He saw her, she saw him in the heart rate challenge, how he acted and it's still not enough and she's like you're not going to make a full out of me again and she's still taking him back.

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: That's them. [SPEAKER_01]: Then he says, like, he's going to finally do what's right for his heart. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, did you do that with the mailbox? [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we wrote a letter and said she's home. [SPEAKER_01]: And that was it, sir. [SPEAKER_01]: But yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I forgot to mention that Dylan and Kenzie are so awkward to me. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have any chemistry. [SPEAKER_01]: He just wants to kiss her because he thinks that's what she wants. [SPEAKER_01]: Just physical and that's not even chemistry. [SPEAKER_00]: And even when she's like asking him or whoever, I don't remember the moment, but what he liked about Kenzie and he's like, your big blue eyes and I'm just like, okay, let's get the cameras.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's just go to the recoupling the big moment and big thing that happened Ariana her looks have not have been missing a little bit for me, but she looked fantastic. [SPEAKER_00]: She did. [SPEAKER_01]: We got an ass shot too. [SPEAKER_01]: Great. [SPEAKER_01]: So we start with Jen who girl you're still in this house.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and she picks goll and I'm like, why, why do you just want to compete with your friend? [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Kenzie's a man eater. [SPEAKER_01]: She's not going to stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: She's going to explore explore and you want to feel chosen.

[SPEAKER_01]: But also, it's limited pickings for her. [SPEAKER_01]: She was very upfront. [SPEAKER_01]: Her type is white and [SPEAKER_01]: There's no one else, so she wasn't going to pick it up. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so this season the whites are, well, I shouldn't just say, because I wasn't going to be bright, but for the most part, it was very much giving like our ideal type is like it wasn't giving like, I don't know, I can't explain it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think, I think they're interactions with any people of color are very different than their interactions with fellow white people. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're a real fun about it because even when she gave, she's like, he's not my usual type for someone who is in Miami. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that and the same thing with Kenzie, she was surprised as she was attracted to Corbyn and not for love island. [SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe you was temptation island where I always get uncomfortable when [SPEAKER_01]: people get a chance like in a relationship to explore outside their relationship and they immediately go to like a person of color that they've never dated before and they kind of use them as an experiment like okay now is my chance I can do something about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not wrong but there's something about it that makes me a little uncomfortable and it felt like maybe that's what it was like you're not end game but I can make it work. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that is the on, no, I'm not going to give him that pass stretch out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to talk about Corribin. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like pitching up on that, but no, Corribin is also like, yeah, he's enamored by the blonde blue eyed. [SPEAKER_01]: kind, so. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So Jen did mention it is my first time to pick, which is kind of crazy because we've been talking about the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've always been saying like, I have not heard the boy I'd like to pick is like, they're just giving us all this twists and turns. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Kayla comes in. [SPEAKER_01]: He comes in with Jade and the girls are like, oh, she's a baddie. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the girls were making extra effort to be like, oh, she's cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's nice. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's cute. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't [SPEAKER_01]: That was happening. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Caleb should have been sent home. [SPEAKER_01]: And I say this because he don't like dating. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no chemistry. [SPEAKER_01]: This dating was after Corbin and that's who was left.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was nobody else and I don't I don't see it for them. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see what happens but I did wonder. [SPEAKER_01]: Could we have a second chance as love island where we have Caleb, we have soul, we have Sidney and [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like a bachelor paradise kind of vibe or something because yeah, I definitely think it's this isn't it's just really Strange in terms of yeah, the like things aren't going as expected And they're like process of love island.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you could say and so I know what you're saying Caleb should have been sent home But honestly from what we've seen I think Caleb is a nice guy and what I want him to find love [SPEAKER_00]: we basically made it so you like it was locked and loaded and then she moved on or whatever and then he was kind of like at this crossroads because then we get the big Casa More.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like she didn't really have a chance in the soul on the other end even though I know it's controversial, I feel like she was sent in with Jen and Caleb as no she was like the true bombshell. [SPEAKER_00]: She was like out of those two and then they immediately all kind of [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't want to say hate it on her, but yeah, you know, I don't think she got a real fan shop.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fair shot and I'm not going to go into all the stuff about people saying she's bullied and stuff like that, but just generally I think her and Caleb had a similar [SPEAKER_00]: Visible all the bombs like I feel like the situation was just sent up for them like It's like they weren't really in a good normal position to explore and get to know people and move like regular like it was very much They were they were fighting for their lives like this much that they could do it wasn't like doing a damn specifically as a person It was due to how everything has played out with this season [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, which is why I would want them to have a second chance is in terms of coming back as OGs and I See me because Sydney was when she walked in with the heart rate challenge She was one that I thought like oh my god, she's gorgeous and I liked her appearance on after some she seems to have a fun personality

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think I guess we'll talk about that. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, yes, you did say something. [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, right me like if they come in as OGs, I think, you know, in my work, you might know whatever the amount of time. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Kenzie picks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dylan and I just want to give a shout-out to Kenzie that I do admire her cut-off game. [SPEAKER_01]: She's a lot of things, but the minute Zach did her wrong, she never spoke to him again. [SPEAKER_01]: The minute she saw that a courtman, she was like, I don't know that guy. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who he's that man.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was it. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she had some words, but I think she was encouraged to say words to him, but she just moved on. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, we're gonna explore and she gave this speech to the girls. [SPEAKER_01]: Might have been self-serving where [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this is where Ariana broke news about the live stream and how it was there will watch by everyone in Caleb just looks so uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: But she still thinks that we were saving her with voting. [SPEAKER_01]: Corbin, breaking up there a couple and I'm like, that's funny. [SPEAKER_01]: That's cute too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like, Kenzie, you're missing it, but okay, girl, expected. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the drama is heating up because Corbin comes in, he comes with Parmida, [SPEAKER_01]: the girls start booing and I know everyone finds this entertaining.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just it wasn't for me. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's fair. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, okay, I get it. [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what costs us for. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not for. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Did they expect everyone to come back single? [SPEAKER_01]: I just I don't know what the expectation was.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they expect it. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the guys were kind of saying that they were locked in. [SPEAKER_00]: If you think about it, most of the guys were saying they were. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think it's weird because [SPEAKER_00]: No one really did much exploring in the beginning.

[SPEAKER_00]: They all just kind of coupled up a little like you quickly that I think what ended up happening is and then the guys are reassuring the girls that they're, you know, relaying to them and blah blah blah and people are hooking up and all these different things. [SPEAKER_00]: And so the girls are starting to feel like, okay, there is a genuine connection here or like maybe there's not a genuine connection but the guys are saying to them, we are locked in and I feel like they're kind of, [SPEAKER_00]: Accepting that they were kind of accepting that a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when the time came where the guys are like realizing okay Well, you know, we never explored it's this is a time to explore. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I think it feels a little bit more jarring to the girls because they were a little bit more committed than the guys That's what I mean just because I can't really get like wrap my head around [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know, it's hard to follow a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So let me say why I was like, it was entertaining as I show it is. [SPEAKER_01]: It's corbing in particular. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying for all the guys because I don't think they boot anybody else, but they boot Corbin. [SPEAKER_01]: Corbin was with Kenzie. [SPEAKER_01]: Nancy was also exploring.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I'm just like, where is the boon? [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's not like, yeah, they said they were together and I know he said, oh, we have a connection after they got together. [SPEAKER_01]: But she was, you know, at the same time kissing Caleb in bed, doing all the things like, they were both, they weren't traveling, they were doing the love island experience right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess that's where [SPEAKER_01]: Confused about the booing. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it was more so because of the way that Corbin got on there immediately and was like, she literally said aloud, like, Kenzie's out the window, I'm ready. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm all right.

[SPEAKER_00]: That locker room talk, and then he's talking about the high school girls versus the college girls. [SPEAKER_00]: It just felt very much like, [SPEAKER_00]: F boy, kind of. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that that is correct. [SPEAKER_01]: I keep forgetting that they haven't seen everything, but they did see that part that you have to win do because in my mind, I'm like, they don't know that yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: What are we, but you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for reminding me. [SPEAKER_01]: He, they did see him say, Ken's is out there with a bra. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming back with a different person. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm remembering correctly, but yes, I think it just stood out to them because it's like wow He really played in her face like he didn't like also because he wasn't really in the villa Saying these things about Kenzie like oh our connection is fading. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't really she's annoying Sometimes and then he was saying that to he was expressing that as soon as he got the opportunity So I think it was a little long [SPEAKER_01]: that you're right you're right but also all the other guys too because that's when that made the I think I mean to blondes now yeah and you know Casey was acting like they just let him loose and all that stuff so yeah and that's true but Corbyn wasn't one go to work let it work so Cansey goes right in she does make a comment I understand that permita did introduce herself that way which is like oh yeah we saw it all right when your Persian cat came out

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, didn't sit right with me, but okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Permina did not have to jump in with. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel confident. [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody asked your man. [SPEAKER_01]: And we know you're here for the clouds. [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not here for anything genuine, but, and this is where I agree with everyone else.

[SPEAKER_01]: Funny enough, is like when you come from Casa, we just stand there and look pretty. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, do not chime in. [SPEAKER_01]: do not stand up for your man or do whatever you are new here. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a kiss to rain kind of situation. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that is tradition.

[SPEAKER_01]: Come here, look pretty. [SPEAKER_01]: It's already not a nice situation, but nobody asks you to jump in. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Go say anything. [SPEAKER_01]: Unless Ariana asks you, when she asks, how do you feel? [SPEAKER_01]: You can say that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they caught off Ariana asking her how she feels.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, I feel confident because it did sound weird, [SPEAKER_01]: in there. [SPEAKER_01]: So Melanie does make a good point where we've been saying like he he didn't have to put them down just to lift her up or anything and he said I will take it on the chin but I made my decision.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all like oh you switched up after three days and whatever which I think is a moot point because after three days they were all like standing up for their man and getting all in their feelings. [SPEAKER_01]: Like time doesn't matter in the villa. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess that's true, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, because if they throw that back at you, that you only need this man one day, but he couldn't explore. [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: That would be a whole big deal. [SPEAKER_01]: So to me, time is not a thing. [SPEAKER_01]: And that if we do that, then class I should not exist, because we don't have any days.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's all they have to work. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was the direction of the producer, but it was just everyone was chiming in at the same time. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was really, yeah, it was a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: The last thing is just Pramita just said too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy around his boys. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like that's not a valid argument. [SPEAKER_01]: Boo. [SPEAKER_01]: Boo. [SPEAKER_01]: So just sit there again and look pretty. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Kate has chooses once you get up and say, oh, hey, you are so lovely and general, you're not being picked.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just that's a pat on the head. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: But no thanks. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she picks Zach. [SPEAKER_01]: Zach comes in. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why Ariana is not asking any leading questions like, oh, how was your time? [SPEAKER_01]: Did you explore with anyone?

[SPEAKER_01]: What happened? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we didn't get any of that in this man. [SPEAKER_01]: My worst fear realized comes in like he's been good. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's been single. [SPEAKER_01]: And even worse, they got the famous grades in that. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's no patrol. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little bit absurd, he didn't really have to explain anything, and the thing is it is a bit crazy that he was moving that in the villa, or sorry, in Casa, he was like kissing on him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was multiple times, I have to walk back. [SPEAKER_00]: But he just got lucky because she got booted off racism, and that's not a conversation that's being had here, so it just seems to cater like he just waited for her, which is not the case. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he was always coming back single.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was going to cool things off. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the same thing, which is again, my pessimism with him and Bryce, where he's like, I tried, like I've been talking about bomb shots, like it's almost like he was he's been laying the bread crumbs all along, because nobody talked about nonexistent bombshells then Zach and finally he got in and it was like, okay, I kissed her.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was fine, but and it's even weirder because this is a person that has kissed your brother. [SPEAKER_01]: And you're not immediately like, yeah, okay, I think that's a little weird. [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, yeah, let's go for it. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's so weird. [SPEAKER_01]: So he was going to do that for like a day or two and then be like, oh, you know, my heart is with Kda blah, blah, blah, that was always the plan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I shouldn't say this because I don't know if it's a plan, but he felt like I want you. [SPEAKER_01]: So that happens. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we learn that honestly, Zach is just insecure. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he likes Keta more than he wants to say, but I do think he does like her, but he's just been insecure and just he's so worried about what she's doing and I think he realizes like you're punching up like she's, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Melanie and Sincer, we all knew what was gonna happen. [SPEAKER_01]: She gets up like, oh, you're the perfect man, a great guy. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, but no, thanks. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you, Corey, so Sincer comes in. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought last minute, I'm like, will he really bring back someone like that?

[SPEAKER_01]: He won't choose violence, so he comes in, he's single, and I was like, yeah, wow, know that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's I ran and asked him how he feels and he's like oh yeah, like it's he's a little nervous But he felt confident that Melanie would be there that she knows him and I know her [SPEAKER_01]: And Ariana's like, Melanie, do you know him?

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, yeah, I don't think I do. [SPEAKER_01]: And she goes on her speech and like, she deserves better. [SPEAKER_01]: Every man told her that quite frankly, she's felt embarrassed. [SPEAKER_01]: And the song choices were top notch this episode, because the lyrics were going, maybe don't you cry no more, stop fighting the internal war.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're the only one in your way. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my goodness, I can't get out of here. [SPEAKER_01]: They remind me of Sally and Johnny. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's a good comparison, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And that didn't last. [SPEAKER_01]: But she took him back even after he cheated in all that and cast some more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not cheated if they're not close off, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: But then she suddenly just goes off on him. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you have a dick in your brain, if you think I'm a good woman, that act and like it, and I'm like, does that not tell you anything? [SPEAKER_01]: You pick this man and you want to let your him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you want for the rest of your life, after every uh, in discretion, and then he's like, yeah, I'll do it again. [SPEAKER_01]: Just appreciate your giggles. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, he said being away from her for so long was killing him. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he had his tongue down more and broke.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, um, Pramita joins the conversation and I'm like, Pramita shut the fuck up. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, why does she keep talking? [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yes, and then I see that Anaya does start addressing Pramida and she says, baby, don't come in there. [SPEAKER_01]: I personally will hate that if someone, you know, is addressing me and calling me baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, when a porn rewatching, they do call each other that they don't call each other baby. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it was meant to be offensive, but no, I don't think so now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but my question, Toma, is why didn't the girls chime in during Melanie's time, during Melanie and Sincere's recoupling?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I do think that's part of what the issue was during a NIA's recoupling, everyone chiming in. [SPEAKER_01]: But in this case, no one's chiming in to say Sincere, do this, do that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is it because they don't, no, they saw him on the video. [SPEAKER_01]: They saw him in the heart rate challenge.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why do you think no one chimed in? [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's more so like an acceptance because sincere has always had we've seen him move mad how many times now in the villa like before a test of more even hopped and and I think [SPEAKER_00]: Even just watching as a viewer knowing in the back of your head, like no matter what Melanie is doing, she's probably going to choose and see her and vice versa.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is, I don't know, I just feel like they're like, well, this is a sincere Melanie, that's what they do kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And also, I think there was an aspect of like, the girls are kind of trying to support each other, even though they know that they're not making the best decisions, because we saw obviously Trinity say to, [SPEAKER_00]: and I at earlier about KC but then it's like at the same time then we're going to support her either way.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know like they were going to support Melanie either way and since years always moving back so it's kind of like the inevitable. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just that's literally the only understanding I could have behind it because I did notice that too but I just [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I think he should have got some wax, but maybe his is because he didn't come back with someone and they haven't seen all that he did.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and maybe he was so on the other end, he, this would be like the opposite for him. [SPEAKER_00]: Like he came back without somebody to commit to Melanie. [SPEAKER_00]: And whereas somebody like KC came back with somebody surprising everyone, I guess, I think that he wasn't going to be with an eye after not moving too mad in the villa.

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it's just like, I don't know, because he didn't, yeah, like he said, he didn't come back with somebody, it's different. [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Casey's crying. [SPEAKER_01]: She forgot to mention that Casey said that he has nothing in common with an eye.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing in common. [SPEAKER_01]: Zero, not a few, just zero. [SPEAKER_00]: But do you see, this is why I'm like, we have to be a little bit more understanding to an eye because it is confusing. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like zero to 100. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, yeah, we have little tips to whatever in the villa.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't like he was saying to her, I don't think we have anything in common. [SPEAKER_00]: Like he was reassuring her. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like strange that now it's like we literally have nothing in common. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like she didn't hook up with me all these different quams that he has with her like airing his grievances, but it didn't really feel like he meaningfully mentioned these things in the villa.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a case of Kassa more away from all the girls and Anaya? [SPEAKER_01]: He got that full clarity and then also had the balls to suddenly say it there. [SPEAKER_00]: It might be, I very well might be. [SPEAKER_01]: So, well, since here goes to sit down, gives Melanie a crumpled up flower from wherever the hell he got it from and all of them are like, oh, I'm like, fix it, Jesus.

[SPEAKER_01]: What, why? [SPEAKER_01]: Why are we all into this? [SPEAKER_00]: That was crazy, like, to your point there. [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get any whackings and it's almost like he's getting support. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: My theory is just like, is Melanie a top dog? [SPEAKER_01]: So young, they still believe in, I don't know, everything he did stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there was this was to be in her side. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she didn't because Corbyn got all the booze. [SPEAKER_01]: And they know he's here for a good time. [SPEAKER_01]: Not even for anything. [SPEAKER_01]: And you're booing him. [SPEAKER_01]: You're wasting your time. [SPEAKER_01]: You told him, we have to smirk her for your face.

[SPEAKER_01]: He literally actually wiped his mouth. [SPEAKER_01]: He just knocked in. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this man, who you know, your girl really likes. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's saying all these things has done things twice. [SPEAKER_01]: And he gives a flower and wall like, oh, you know what it's like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Usually they give commentary. [SPEAKER_01]: No one is like, well, I put that away. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's not going to fix whatever you don't want to say anything. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: I am curious to see what his reaction is going to be when he finds out that she kissed Cory because he's so unreasonable that he's going to make a big deal out of it and I'm just curious to see out what that's going to happen and I hope she's not like I thought that I know I did don't do that like she can't literally I need her to stand up and stand on business.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay, Trinity and Bryce both in yellow. [SPEAKER_01]: producers in the region. [SPEAKER_01]: I believe because everyone's like, oh, they're running. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, guys, come on now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, she does say the thing she likes about him. [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's all unique and Bryce comes out. [SPEAKER_01]: We sure button all the way down to his business. [SPEAKER_01]: And then he runs up as he runs up to go, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: reunite with his woman, Zach is like, that's my man. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, we clean this up a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, so I mean, I don't know if you have any thoughts here. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was cute. [SPEAKER_01]: We've kind of talked about it up top it. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I feel how I feel. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to root for them. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, [SPEAKER_01]: when our jurors are confident I think if it will see how they move yeah moving forward they're back together let's see how it goes I'm just going to take it episode by episode yeah and I know I saw someone saying like oh we don't really see anything all they do is gossip and I'm like guys have you never been in a relationship gossip is the fundamental [SPEAKER_01]: So the main event is Anaya.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering why she was going last. [SPEAKER_01]: And if I were her, I would wonder why I'm going last. [SPEAKER_01]: That's an inkling that this is not good, but the producers, that's why they get paid the big books. [SPEAKER_01]: She basically picks KC. [SPEAKER_01]: Chinity, if you blink if you miss it, Chinity shakes her head.

[SPEAKER_01]: All the guys are looking down, no eye contact. [SPEAKER_01]: Kate is looking at Zack, like, what's happening? [SPEAKER_01]: What's gonna happen? [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, you know, cinema. [SPEAKER_01]: And she says that she's grateful to have him because he always tells her she's beautiful.

[SPEAKER_01]: He reassures her, he picks her up and she's going with her gut and hopes that he picks her and she will always pick him. [SPEAKER_01]: I've said this before that, and I and he's a prebiotic because her gut is not. [SPEAKER_01]: And we're the right way of probiotics, sorry, which I would, um, I, in my predictions thought she was going to pick Carl.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was going to pick Carl, but still, Fein over Casey, which is have Carl for insurance, but do you think like everyone's been saying that she didn't pick Carl because the rest of her girls didn't pick, uh, bombshell and he worked out for them. [SPEAKER_01]: It might be. [SPEAKER_00]: I really can't tell that's what I mean.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think, and I is just too indecisive. [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe not indecisive, but like she's just not confident in what she wants. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think that she knows and she keeps wavering because even in the village, she's going back and forth about, oh, like she's really short of my KC.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's not really short of a KC. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think she really could like pull the trigger unfortunately on Carl, but I can't what was the final thing that made her go with it. [SPEAKER_01]: So my theory, the final thing is Casey is traumatized by not being picked. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she wanted to take the risk of him coming single and then realize in that she picked someone else because then they'll never recover from that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that's a good point. [SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is, she's still thinking about him. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, she needs to think about herself, how she feels versus it's what KC did to her, where he's like, oh, I don't want to hurt her feelings, so they ain't not being honest, but then you hurt her in the long run.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you do this based on his reaction, you should never make your choices based on the other's reaction. [SPEAKER_01]: It should be be true to yourself, who makes you happy, who do you like? [SPEAKER_01]: I do think she's being true to herself and despite all the topsy turviness, she does prefer Casey for some reason, even though he doesn't make her happy, but I do think that's what it was, was she didn't want to take the risk of him coming and then...

[SPEAKER_01]: He'll say it again. [SPEAKER_01]: You did a great job for that. [SPEAKER_01]: He walks in with TT and immediately she starts crying. [SPEAKER_01]: Carl says, holy shit. [SPEAKER_01]: Chilledies like y'all, easy to shit. [SPEAKER_01]: You can't look. [SPEAKER_01]: They get on. [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't been made into Ariana.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, you can look up. [SPEAKER_01]: That ass. [SPEAKER_01]: Look up. [SPEAKER_01]: This dude is crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I feel so fucking stupid. [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, no, you're not. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a fucking idiot. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a stupid ass. [SPEAKER_01]: He is trifling.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot, guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, my stomach was already not. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, gone. [SPEAKER_01]: She said she's pissed off. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone was right. [SPEAKER_01]: She had hope. [SPEAKER_01]: And now she looks delusional as fuck. [SPEAKER_01]: Ariana asked her him how do you feel he says like, you know, it's sad like it's not easy to hear her say this before he even finishes everyone is like shut up I'm like guys, please let him talk like he picked somebody else yes, but please let him talk he says no, but it's true he hates to see her, but he made the decision not for an eye, but he did it for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the part like guys, let's separate things. [SPEAKER_01]: I agree that he should have done because he has been pussyfooting around her to spare feelings. [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just move on. [SPEAKER_01]: He made the choice so that it kind of ends it. [SPEAKER_01]: So that there's no lying or meeting or whatever else is going on.

[SPEAKER_01]: He says, I know people are going to be mad. [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't finish, and I said, fuck, you talk all the three weeks that we had. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah, but I have to say what I have to say is that because like, please let him talk, is everyone's talking at the same time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then he says, the whole time he is poured into her, his picture, time and time again, even on the fucking first day, nobody picked me, turns to Ariana, you feel me, I'm like, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this made me laugh because get over at KCA. [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a leg to stand on anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: This happened day one and going back to what I was saying where he thought he was going to be top dog, he comes in, thought maybe two girls would stand there and no one stood there in front of him. [SPEAKER_01]: So he's still on there. [SPEAKER_01]: So it really was like, we didn't know you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that's a mood point because he didn't know and either and he picked her. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a point there. [SPEAKER_01]: I know what Trinity's trying to say. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, we didn't know you didn't get to know you. [SPEAKER_01]: But that point is moving out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they one shouldn't even factor. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know you. [SPEAKER_01]: So, Anaya does her marriage with Grace Beach. [SPEAKER_01]: I picked you every single time at the fire pit, at the letters, but you didn't right now. [SPEAKER_01]: I still picked you, and I'm like, oh God, please don't beg this man to love you.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, but the problem is like every time that she picked him though, who else would she have picked? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But he's also still saying you didn't pick me kind of. [SPEAKER_00]: Or he's not saying you didn't pick me, he's saying he didn't feel that reassurance kind of.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what she's saying is that, well, I tried. [SPEAKER_00]: I picked you in the situations where I could. [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I didn't have another option, but I didn't like [SPEAKER_00]: Bulls are kind of, no, I think she has a fair point because she did, like, she did put everything on a line for him if you think about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of came to the end with no options and even the final, like Casa Amor, like when she did have the option to pick somebody else, who probably is better, she still chose him. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think there is a little bit of merit to it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so tough. [SPEAKER_01]: This whole situation is so tough because you think my thing and something else comes on But then at this point Carl is tearing up because I think he's just watching her in pain because you know They've watched things.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've seen her cry in the fact that she's so crying and in this time It's all for her own doing You know, but not like he would have been any better. [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like even if she chose Carl and he walked in with TT I just feel like she'll still have feelings [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely think she would still have feelings, but I do think it would be helpful for her to then move on, or not, I don't know if she would actually move on, but to at least be forced almost to focus on getting to know Carl, which would have taken a little bit away of her head space away from KCE in the villa at least.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't know where it is, but there's something that makes me think that she wasn't going to. [SPEAKER_01]: She kept saying she felt stupid. [SPEAKER_01]: Ariana welcomes TT and asks her how she's feeling. [SPEAKER_01]: She says they have a great connection. [SPEAKER_01]: She deserves a great connection.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no one said you didn't. [SPEAKER_01]: But it just felt like she came on the defensive and that he deserves to be happy. [SPEAKER_01]: It's unfortunate that feelings have to be heard, and then Trinity jumps in with a question, while she's answering the question. [SPEAKER_01]: And this question is what, you know, I've been talking about this nagging question of Zach and Bryce, where she's saying, so if you felt like your connection was so strong, why did you tell Bryce that you're surprised that we were top two, and he's like, well, that's false.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, what did you think about Trinity's question and didn't matter at this point? [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's not really understand. [SPEAKER_00]: So can you remind me what was the actual issue there? [SPEAKER_00]: What did he tell him? [SPEAKER_01]: So he told him that I would be mad if we are not voted one of the favorite couples because we have been together from the beginning.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then Zack interpreted that, sorry, Bryce interpreted that and then told Trinity that he was annoyed that he was saying that they've gone around to go test or whatever, so why would they be you'll be surprised if they're one of the favorite couples. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I just really didn't understand it like I'll be honest.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't understand the relevance. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I guess in this particular situation. [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, I was just going back and forth like, okay, did. [SPEAKER_00]: Did, does this really matter? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what, what did you think? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I really feel like I was like all over the place with this one.

[SPEAKER_01]: confused about, okay, it's a game of telephone, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So by the term Trinity hears it, she's like, you're shocked that we're one of the favorite couples. [SPEAKER_01]: I know what she's trying to say, it's like, because in some way, he is inferring like we've been together, like, it should pay off [SPEAKER_01]: That I didn't go explore soul.

[SPEAKER_01]: I stood with her and we're together. [SPEAKER_01]: So we should be one of the favorite couples But with Bryce and Trinity he went to go talk to Kada. [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't stand in front of his door Whatever, so I'll be surprised if you know they're one of the favorite couples But then what what she said was like I'm shocked we're favorite couple and I'm just like what does that have to do with him bringing T-T in but the best I could come up with is that what she's saying is [SPEAKER_01]: If you felt that you guys are the strongest or one of the strongest couples and your connection is so strong, how come you were able to turn in three days?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that part I think I understand. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so she's saying because he said that and he was thinking they should they are one of the stronger couples. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense the way he moved. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, except there's some kind of twisty in what he said, Bryce's interpretation was a little off. [SPEAKER_01]: The intent is still the same, but yes, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I guess based off of what she was told. [SPEAKER_00]: I understand why she's bringing that up.

[SPEAKER_00]: your actions aren't aligning with what you're saying, maybe that, but yeah, I still think it in sense. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, that's that's probably not the like main issue, maybe? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's it's a Naya and Casey's time. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to me it was just the timing of bringing that up and saying all of that and then in addition she's like you told her you didn't want to explore because you're scared of how she would react and I'm like is that accurate then she's like you're sneaky and I'm like it tracks and it was just so much that it was like [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you speaking of Arnaya and I was in the conversation and I you tell him what you said and what's going on, but it was just all that happening and at this point the camera has stopped showing Melanie we're just hearing her voice, but we're not seeing her at all, we're just seeing you since air and then.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cheney says, I was a trinity, that says at the end of the day, we're here for him. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was TT. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: TT just jumps in again, Casa bombshells now shall not speak. [SPEAKER_01]: Just stand there and just like at the end of the day, we're here for him and I like, nope, don't say anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: Them's the rules. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is, but you just don't speak. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, he's like, we're talking to him, baby. [SPEAKER_01]: No shade. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, everyone's like, again, they do say baby. [SPEAKER_01]: But when Saul was an after son and she's like, no, Tina shade and said that everyone says, the minute you say no shade, all the shade is implied.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know that to be true, but I really think in this case, with every she, I really do think like just based off the way that she's spoken, the whole thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was just her vernacular in her way of literally saying because she's the one who's been she's well, they all have been, but like she's also been hyping up the women saying you know like they're they're pretty.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about the women. [SPEAKER_00]: So I really think in that heated moment where she's like popping off basically. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Saying like no genuinely like I just need to talk to him. [SPEAKER_00]: You're it's not about you like no shame. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how I took it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of people are taking it as though she's trying to put her down. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think she was trying to put her down. [SPEAKER_00]: I think she was heated. [SPEAKER_00]: She was trying to say, girl, you're getting involved. [SPEAKER_00]: It's making it more chaotic and the him.

[SPEAKER_00]: We need him to address his crimes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think the she made any shade. [SPEAKER_01]: I think my only thing is just like at this point, you had nothing to do with her. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, of course, but I think also like Trinity has been the only, well, not the only one, but the, I guess the most prominent one of being able to stay in on business, and she, if you, like, see in Casa, like a lot of times, she kind of had to help the girls kind of not just fall fully into their original pairings and more open and stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think at this, um, [SPEAKER_00]: At this like recoupling, she kind of felt the need to like be the voice in a way. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know But it is it is just ironic because the next thing is I don't know her I'm talking to him and Anaya screaming. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a grown man, baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a grown man like letting speak and but she did speak it for her [SPEAKER_01]: That's the irony, I guess it is for them and it's almost like I just want KC and her to have that conversation because part of why they're here is They don't talk and when they talk and you say what they mean It's so frustrating like it's just like it's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like people's feelings are gonna be hurt if you don't want him to explore soul Yeah, people might think any kind of thing, but it's your true feelings and you're like, you know what? [SPEAKER_01]: I am gonna feel some type of way. [SPEAKER_01]: Like just say it and if you want souls say it don't be like, no, well [SPEAKER_01]: Let them speak.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's was my only thing. [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, cater and screaming, you're a big boy. [SPEAKER_01]: Speak up. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I thought it was speaking, but they couldn't walk away yelling, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: But um, TT takes it to the next level. [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, first of all, I can speak if I want to speak.

[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all don't control me, I don't care if you don't mean or not. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, clearly, like, I'm not talking to you, like, I'm literally speaking to him and she, you can tell she's trying to, like, control herself, but she's also, like, he did, like, who is the person that's just, like, and then, she really drops a bomb.

[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, you're a little girl. [SPEAKER_01]: mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm- mm [SPEAKER_00]: fair game anything that comes after that like you don't understand the need for teaching to put her down in that moment like I get that teachy's feeling offensive but I just don't feel like like we know how to talk to each other's women like come on you don't really need to say that right now like obviously she's heated already like it just felt so like antagonizing in a way

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, counterproductive too like at this point everyone's just up here and he has nothing like it's not going to help the situation. [SPEAKER_01]: So why say it exactly at all. [SPEAKER_01]: You'll have to live together too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you're odd man out because usually over the seasons like even if you're a cast a girl and I'm shell like you do kind of still want to side with the girls because [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like the men are always going to move weird and do things dirty.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like it's very rare that the girls want to come in off the bat and just be super confrontational with the OG girls. [SPEAKER_01]: But these classes are already different because they're ready like doing too much there and I'm thinking some things are going to play in the reunion that they said and it was just like already like putting the OG girl and they would your [SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole other thing to come in with.

[SPEAKER_01]: So just to energy from jump, it was not the best from Parameda, from TT. [SPEAKER_01]: And I know people are like, oh, she needs to speak up. [SPEAKER_01]: She needs to speak up. [SPEAKER_01]: She needs to speak up afterwards. [SPEAKER_01]: Do what the UK does. [SPEAKER_01]: But come back and say, I can have a chat.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they were like, you know, I didn't really like the way that you said this. [SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, but now it's just not the time. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's heightened. [SPEAKER_01]: They've been through things in the me week, three days, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: But your time will come.

[SPEAKER_01]: But treaties like bitch, I don't know you. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't fucking know you bitch and she's like you can pipe down I'm TT and I'm like she's like wrong way to come into the villa bitch. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of bitches being thrown out And someone's like, are you gonna shut me up because I think this is where Melanie said something they cut it off and then Trinity's like, what this girl out this bitch and I am finally tags back in and I was like, what is this Batgirl's club?

[SPEAKER_00]: I did not like this at all [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I get this. [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't not like it at all. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted it to end. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't even lie. [SPEAKER_00]: I did like it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that like it's really about time that somebody like not somebody, but the girl stand on business and also like I was a little bit frustrated with the with their decisions of like basically all of them stick sticking with their original man.

[SPEAKER_00]: After they had said that they were going to explore and try to bring somebody back and blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like at the very least, if they're like fed up and they're telling it like it is to these guys hoping that next episode or like moving forward, they will continue to stay in on business back in the villa and kind of move differently.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is my hope and just in general, I guess I liked it because just entertainment value wise like I didn't expect it to go this way, I just thought it was going to be [SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't know exactly what I thought it was going to be, but I thought I was going to be different.

[SPEAKER_01]: So... No, I hear you. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at it as, you know, the show I used to cover mainly was Marida for a site. [SPEAKER_01]: And we had a season which is... Everybody agrees was like the worst season where it was basically all season long. [SPEAKER_01]: Our girls versus boys thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: None of them looked at their relationship individually. [SPEAKER_01]: They almost as a group. [SPEAKER_01]: So even when they didn't apply to one, they were like, well, that happens to you. [SPEAKER_01]: So then it applies to me. [SPEAKER_01]: and everyone was doing the same thing. [SPEAKER_01]: And to the point where at the reunion, they all were, no, not the reunion.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are after show ladies to do, and they all were pink. [SPEAKER_01]: Every single brand here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Improcessed. [SPEAKER_01]: And it just became like, okay, I understand sticking up for your friend, but it would be nice to just look at it through an individual lens.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what you just kind of felt like. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're standing up for each other. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think I was just looking at it as like, I really, [SPEAKER_01]: I think I said before, just wanted a NIA and KZ to clap that conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't go ahead.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just want to say I agree and I understand where you're coming from. [SPEAKER_00]: I think what also happens when they go to Casa More, and then they're genuinely competing, because it's like, yeah, versus Casa More, it becomes a group thing, even with, you know, Zach being like, like the guy speak, like, which is just a little thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, they do have this... [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of divides up in a way, naturally, so then that that group mentality really comes into play. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's also like, you're at the fire pit. [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is, you know, like, your final life kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I know exactly what you're saying. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I also don't want blowback against Shirdi because people that don't know how to process things completely are just like, oh, she's this happened to Shelly and a laundry last season you at the stand on business challenge. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's just like going to be interpreted is like, oh, you did this you that or whatever sort of just.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to watch this show it peacefully, but I'm only thinking about the repercussions and I'm like, oh, not someone's going to say, because I've seen the comments too, from people just being like, oh, she needs a bullies at this and then we used our words to sleep like come on, it's not.

[SPEAKER_01]: bullying. [SPEAKER_01]: It's still a TV show. [SPEAKER_01]: These are young people sticking up for each other. [SPEAKER_01]: But for me, it was just like, how are these people going to exist? [SPEAKER_01]: What is the villa going to be like? [SPEAKER_01]: That night. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is not new guys because if you go back, Janae from season six had an interview with Kiki Palmer. [SPEAKER_01]: And she talked about how they were ready to square up. [SPEAKER_01]: They were not talking to the Casa girls. [SPEAKER_01]: And she was ready and production [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that they didn't choose to show us that, but they didn't choose to show us this and it's just the fandom is getting crazier and I just, you know, whatever happens after is what I'm concerned about I get yeah of course with that so okay, um [SPEAKER_01]: She, Ariana asked, I think KC finally, after everything dies down like, how are you feeling right now?

[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, giving a speech about, you know, they have a connection, like I said before, this decision was for me. [SPEAKER_01]: She lives in South Central, I live in South Central. [SPEAKER_01]: I see my mom and her, I hear my sister and her. [SPEAKER_01]: How did you interpret that? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I did at Wolfers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't really like that. [SPEAKER_00]: And they thought it was a little strange to say, but I really just think it comes down to like he's not used to. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe a nice lifestyle. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he is typical his lifestyle. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like more of a comfortable thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: He says like with TT he was effortless, but with a Naya, like it took some type of some time to see each other. [SPEAKER_01]: And then everybody was like interpreting that as him saying that TT was easy. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see that way. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he meant like it was work, but also three days.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know, TT also showed herself when you went to talk to Sydney and she's like, I don't [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know why he says effortless, but yeah, although I kind of feel like he Loki liked that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: He did. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, another KC crime that I forgot it was basically he's kind of penalizing her for not being physical with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I mean, like, that's why I feel like he's villainous in some ways, because he won. [SPEAKER_00]: He has just so many qualms about her that just weren't clear to the express, but then also like, what does say about you, that the physical connection, the time of physical connection, is weighing in to how you feel about her?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it just feels a little... [SPEAKER_00]: you know, what is the word when met and are like, they like, expect, uh, entitled. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, entitled to certain intimacy levels. [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you don't do that, you're, you know, approved or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he called her grandma one point and stuff like that where it's like, I don't, I don't think that's fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And if anything, well, he did say they have a conversation because I'll go like, if anything, have that conversation. [SPEAKER_01]: with her, but yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, um, we know we made connections here and I understand everyone's going to feel some type of way because we're like a family, but this is my life and I do understand Trinity that you're saying after three days, but this is how I felt after three days and I'm just standing on all tentos and I'm doing it right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: That part, I'm giving him credit for because finally you're being honest because that's what we asked for is honesty. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: and Trinity is like, Congress period fine. [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, doesn't mean that my connection with a NIO was fake. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I appreciate her.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's a great fucking person. [SPEAKER_01]: Then he says she comes from a great family. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I already hate that. [SPEAKER_01]: Not even him saying it when people say they come from a great family. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, what does that mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of families have secrets.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at it from outside. [SPEAKER_01]: What does a great family do? [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, well, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was just going to say because in the past like that usually was like around traditional values and like many stuff and it's like you wanted to find somebody who came from a good family meeting like they have status and society, they have financial success, whatever the case may be, so it's kind of like rooted in this weird traditional ideal situation and this context.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't like that. [SPEAKER_00]: statement either because it doesn't really apply to the real world against the modern world, but also I think when he says it specifically in this context comparing Ananya and TT, I think there's very, it's saying something a little louder because he has, oh, she's from South Central and then it's like, the night comes from a good family and it's like, that makes it feel and then he's talking about his family from South Central.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, there is, oh my god, it's stressful. [SPEAKER_01]: I know, she's gonna do some great things. [SPEAKER_01]: So when he says that, Anaya says, so he's like writing me off. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the part where I'm like, wait, she was still playing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's why I'm like you There's something on me, and I'm like You're right So she didn't get the message until then and she's like oh wait He's writing me off so that's done. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like okay, so that's it So He need does say and he did not stop talking. [SPEAKER_01]: He was just like I don't need nobody to respect me Someone's laughing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like yeah, laugh. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a fuck. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like kids Come on [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: That ultimately, Casey choosing Tierra is not wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: And everything else surrounding it, how they went about it is just, was not right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: And that is the problem. [SPEAKER_01]: So they shouldn't be together. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't get along if he knew that they didn't, both of them, I hate to say it, [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say any other options because I think deep down case he didn't think he stood a chance with soul against and said, so he just wasn't going to risk that because then he might be dumped.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the same applies to Anaya because Sean left really early. [SPEAKER_01]: Sean says that he talked to her all the time. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't see it. [SPEAKER_01]: But he left early and I don't know who else. [SPEAKER_01]: She's very respectful of her friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know anybody else that she would have gone. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You know. [SPEAKER_01]: There's that. [SPEAKER_01]: So then they ask Carl how he's feeling he's like there's definitely a lot of emotions. [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly and I is beautiful super smart and of course I'm disappointed but I wish her all the best.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they say and I you're not single and vulnerable. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: She's you have gone home. [SPEAKER_01]: No, because they need to drum a to play out. [SPEAKER_01]: They all have together and I have suddenly says randomly honestly I didn't give a fuck anyways.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, um, it's the opposite of everything that we see in Ariana tells them like I know there's a lot that happened. [SPEAKER_01]: Please be kind as you figure it out. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I hope they do because the vibes were not it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but um, and I says Carl is so cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: I should have chosen him starts crying and Melanie's back and tells her don't cry here. [SPEAKER_01]: And we all walk away. [SPEAKER_01]: Leave the castle grows alone. [SPEAKER_01]: And she said again, I should have kept Carl and [SPEAKER_01]: That's how that ended, and I was like, now I can breathe.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, any any final thoughts on the recovery? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it was chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay, I think I'm just disappointed in all the girls basically using all the same guys that did them wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how it's going to play out. [SPEAKER_00]: This is so much tension now.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much, yeah, we are like, I just can't imagine what we're going to see next. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm really, really like I don't know how they're going to move forward. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if conversations are going to be had, but we have bigger fish to fry because we find out I'm just going to quickly we, we've, we've, we've.

[SPEAKER_01]: gone on for a while but yeah but but for after some we find out that we are voting to bring back one boy one girl which is just an uphill battle being a bombshell this season is so hard being a bombshell in this case is even harder and I know everyone wants Carl and I'm like for what? [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't watch that whole reaction and suddenly think that she's going to flip the switch and want me and be second choice.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but you think now I the only reason. [SPEAKER_00]: I want Carl, it's just because I think he seems like one of the realist guys who have come in the villa and he seems like an actual genuine kind guy. [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like he's just a good option to be in the villa, like not necessarily for a night, which I know is like a little bit ridiculous because somebody come in for somebody, but at the same time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really like any of the other guys were the options except I originally did consider Cheb, but then I was thinking there's no way Kate is really going to choose him over that now. [SPEAKER_00]: So, my thing was just like, okay, who's the best guy to be an option for anyone? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's Carl, so if Naya decides to finally open her eyes, okay, great, but if not, I do think he's a good match for somebody.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about Cory. [SPEAKER_01]: because when Mel finds out everything, Mel needs a petty bitch. [SPEAKER_01]: It's already said that he was perfect. [SPEAKER_01]: She would know how to use him to play the game and to get him jealous. [SPEAKER_01]: And she would like you and I with a more up, I'm here.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: That's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So I found him more fascinating. [SPEAKER_01]: I like Carl so much. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want him to come there. [SPEAKER_01]: We still don't know if Kase is going to flip the switch on T.T. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not ruling that out. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not ruling that out because we don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: He's going anywhere the wind blows. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not ruling that out. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not ruling out the fact that a Nio would like you've embarrassed me to many times. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be with you. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's my hope.

[SPEAKER_00]: My hope is that she's like, this is, we're done. [SPEAKER_00]: But I know that's. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well I don't want to say it's to hope that kills so there's that I'm not ruling out like what if Kenzie decides to rekindle the Caleb not really mad out either [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't really out.

[SPEAKER_00]: What can he decide to make him the little doll? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can't see. [SPEAKER_00]: We can't only look at anyone. [SPEAKER_00]: And he had this point. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we find out. [SPEAKER_01]: We see the whole process when we tell them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing you in a mora, I really liked their segments. [SPEAKER_01]: All those. [SPEAKER_01]: Seeing you got a side eye. [SPEAKER_01]: When they were talking about Casey was a completely different person in Casa Morevillea. [SPEAKER_01]: And she says, it took bad bitches to bring it out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that wasn't cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Sidney says that when she came in, she went in the sack and Caleb Morris says this since there is a people pleaser and says what people want to hear she did not come in for him at all and they're like what happened and I'm like he is a charmer. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like say to truth you just wanted to make your way to the villa.

[SPEAKER_01]: said he said that it was important. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't understand this. [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a part where she says like when since Sarah said it's important to be with no case he said it's important to be with someone that reminds you of home and he looked at since Sarah. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't what just what did that mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the opposites and Sears said that and look at the case. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I thought. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, but what does because KC girls and it reminds me of central stir and she's from South Central. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha. [SPEAKER_01]: So for the girls who you Wanting me back in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, unfortunately, I have to admit I did vote for Sydney just because the last I remembered of her, she was talking to Bryce and she was really nice about him, um, um, yeah, really choosing her and then also she just seemed chill and cool and normal and then I felt like the aftersand she was maybe doing a little bit much, um, but like I didn't really same thing with I said with the guys like I didn't really feel like there was anyone in the girls who like I need [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of like why decided based on that. [SPEAKER_00]: What about you? [SPEAKER_01]: I put them more. [SPEAKER_01]: I think a conversation has to be had with Melanie. [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't see it with soul. [SPEAKER_01]: I need to see it. [SPEAKER_01]: We need to have a three people conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, this is when I wasn't sure if we're going to get movie night, but we have confirmation people is happening. [SPEAKER_01]: We are having movie night. [SPEAKER_01]: People are supposed to act people of the love island account. [SPEAKER_01]: and say what you want shown. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the energy for all of that, but I trust you guys to pick the right things and the necessary things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even though the producers are going to pick whatever they want, there's no proof. [SPEAKER_01]: It's for us. [SPEAKER_01]: I am looking forward to it and the boys think [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely when this comes out. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I voted a more about it. [SPEAKER_01]: More it seems like she didn't want to be back.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I don't need another project. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, school. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be a supporting character in the sense that I'm mailing me show. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's true. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think she wants more beyond the show and to get a shot at being at beyond the villa.

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe she'll still want that. [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see. [SPEAKER_01]: Carl said he felt bad for Anaya that's we had his eyes on from the very beginning, somehow Sydney and Carl end of kissing, if she comes back to the house, that would be a plot twist, but I don't want that for Anaya.

[SPEAKER_01]: Something I didn't mention is [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I felt so bad for Naya because she watched her girls take a chance, all their men came back single, her man did not come back single, and that's yet another thing, and when she's saying you did not pick me, it's another thing of like, everybody else gets to get there happy and thinking, and I didn't get picked again, what is it about me that it doesn't work out for me, you thought that?

[SPEAKER_01]: like you're thinking you're young, it's not that you have to go through a few heartbreaks but for her at this point it's very deep for her and it's very, you know, big for her. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want to see me to come in and then Carl goes for her and she's like, again? [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I hope [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that this is where things get confusing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's giving him his flowers for standing tentals down and making the decision without considering, but he should have completed the sentence and said the way he went, I think Carl completed it for him that the way he went about it was not exactly the best. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I like that Carl's from the Nervous.

[SPEAKER_00]: I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, Sierra's getting a lot of flack because I guess she was trying to be comprehensive about both sides. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's similar to what we did here today, so yeah, but if you don't want to hear that, you're either or you're black or white or anything, but to me, I think it's just pretty clear.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, not the wrong way Casey choosing, but sir, you do not have to be like, condescending rude and sailed the things that you said, you know, the same goes for all the guys. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just about how you do it, not whether you do it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, since here doesn't know his line.

[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly, I truly believe that. [SPEAKER_01]: That man doesn't think that he's doing anything wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't know. [SPEAKER_01]: So that was it. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's about the summary for afters on it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you have anything else. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think that sounds it up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, one last thing, never before seen footage. [SPEAKER_01]: They tease us, but it was just the guys recoupling in Kasa. [SPEAKER_01]: And the most important thing was just since Sarah telling Amora that. [SPEAKER_01]: He would have picked her, they had more time because that's gonna show up no way of course Movie night.

[SPEAKER_01]: So and I think that's why Amara is coming back. [SPEAKER_01]: She has to be present at Movie night Oh, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna go to her out. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so egg in my face if Sydney comes back, but Okay, Tom, I think you so much like this was so much fun [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you!

[SPEAKER_00]: It was literally so wonderful I can't believe we talked this long, but I didn't have to be finally got to link up. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, have do you have anything you'd like to share where people can find you or promote or anything? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can find me on Tik Tok at mostly unserious business and then act to Masley and everywhere else.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, check her out guys, and you know where to find me, Tain talks everywhere, please give me a 5 star rating on Apple podcast and Spotify and stay subscribed so you don't miss out on any new episodes. [SPEAKER_00]: Until next time guys, bye!

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