MAFS S20 Season Look Back + Love in Session Recap w/Ade

[SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody, welcome to another episode of Tain Talks. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host, Tain. [SPEAKER_01]: Here with a math season 20 season recap and a kind of sort of recap of love and session with Paul and Paz. [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to bring a back to talk about this. [SPEAKER_01]: Someone actually requested this and I, you know, I always say ask me, you should ask and you will receive or I should say ask and you might receive, but [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, eight, how are you?

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I just, let's take it back even further. [SPEAKER_00]: Part of the reason why I'm here is because what happened was, I started watching a season, didn't episode, I think at the time I might have said, well, I'm not sure if I'm going to watch her as a season. [SPEAKER_00]: So then, I didn't commit to doing another episode, and then by the time I was ready to commit to doing another episode, Tain is booked and busy, and I cannot come back because [SPEAKER_00]: So then, when someone messages is like, well, I would like a just talk.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, I would like to come and share her thoughts. [SPEAKER_00]: And so yes, that's why I'm here. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, shout out to you, Lena, you asked and you received. [SPEAKER_01]: But the patrons already know because we did a bonus episode together. [SPEAKER_01]: But I did see a, we hung out last week.

[SPEAKER_01]: She came all in down to the house. [SPEAKER_01]: So we did talk masks. [SPEAKER_01]: I did watch a, watch the, what was it decision day? [SPEAKER_01]: the reunion you watch it at my house so yeah i hate watching it watch anything she knows why but you know i survived it was on my phone oh my god guys it killed me that's the real reason i had because you can't podcast if you're on your phone okay you actually have to pay attention to take notes [SPEAKER_00]: She outed herself, not like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, so we're here to talk about it. [SPEAKER_01]: And just, you know, see what you thought about this season. [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk about Love and Session, which spoiler alert. [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, this is not, it wasn't that compelling. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's ever sketched.

[SPEAKER_01]: If it was anything, I don't know why we're doing this. [SPEAKER_01]: I had guessed that it was going to be like after party and it wasn't starting immediately. [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be like companion podcasts for like season 21. [SPEAKER_01]: And no, it's not, they're just getting people to talk about stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no tea, more importantly, Bosnals and AD got more tea than they did. [SPEAKER_00]: So, my attention span for Maph's things, after the season is over, and you guys have been married or not married for a year. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care, that's what made after party good. [SPEAKER_00]: It was going on at the same time as the show, so I cared.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: A post show where you like, and I get it, you know, if I'll file files and everybody else is gonna have everybody on, you want your piece of the pie, too, is the people who actually make the show. [SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, I don't listen to those things either. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which by the way, I should mention guys like if you see me not talk to any of the cast is not the lack of trying that's just going to put that out there, but I think for now, I think the press plan is for like the bigger podcast, although Sean and Nicky are everywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how that's happening. [SPEAKER_00]: So they're both on defense. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, they're having interviews, but yeah, so I'm going to keep trying, but so far, no luck yet. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so aid, what do you want to start with? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to start with what you like about the season or what you didn't like about the season?

[SPEAKER_01]: Good news, bad news. [SPEAKER_00]: I like having more couples. [SPEAKER_00]: See when it starts what you like. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll start with the way I like having more couples. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I like Paul. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: You got give us more. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you like about having more couples?

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you like about Paul? [SPEAKER_00]: The ability for people to quit and stop wasting our time. [SPEAKER_00]: That to me is the true benefit of having more couples. [SPEAKER_00]: Like in the beginning, I'm like there's too many, too many names. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't keep track of everybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then when it's time for quitting and no one has to feel that pressure of we won't have enough TV if you don't stay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Please leave. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, do you think we had seven this season? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they're gonna up it for Charlotte or do you think they're gonna stick with seven?

[SPEAKER_00]: Seven, I mean, there's probably like you can't, I don't think you can go above eight, especially when it comes to like the ability to call people out. [SPEAKER_00]: In order to call people out, talking to things that I actually not good for the actual relationships, but good for the TV.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is the ability for people to call each other out? [SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like if you've got too big, like you kind of lose whatever that could be. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what did you like about Paul? [SPEAKER_00]: a straight shooter, and I think he's a little bit of a shitster.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I always enjoy those. [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_01]: When did you think he was a shitster? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what did the food? [SPEAKER_01]: What did the times? [SPEAKER_00]: He even thought it didn't agree with him. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, the time where he like, I didn't agree with the Mecca is performative thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I even appreciated that an expert would even try to come for somebody like that. [SPEAKER_00]: In the sense that like, [SPEAKER_00]: They're not afraid to call people out. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Paz, oh, I don't, I didn't really care as much for her. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not like, oh, she's terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: I never watch if she's on, but yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think she A did a good job or B had the right perspective. [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, this whole, like, um, we're going to act like Courtney Custon at people and talking to people crazy as perfectly okay behavior. [SPEAKER_00]: Really, really bothers me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, her apologies for Courtney is probably what tips me over the edge to like complete. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't really care for her. [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of feel like Love and session was like, okay, so I see this. [SPEAKER_01]: For anyone who watches the Kardashians, right, it's part of the criticism in the past was like something will happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: They'll have a big thing that's in the headlines and then we have to watch them like a year later on their show kind of do PR for it and say their own perspective and make it nice and sale of this is what happened. [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of felt like that's what they did with love and session and I felt like Paz was over compensating with Nick and they were just trying to say, oh, Nick, you did a great job.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Nick, you did well. [SPEAKER_01]: Like you showed fresh perspective and you were, you proved that you were honest and it was like, Paz, we watched you the whole time, not as Nick side passes on threads. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Paz sees us going after her and Nick on threads going after her and she's like, wait, the most of the reaction is in his favor, but do a little switcheroo.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm curious when they filmed this episode of Love In Session. [SPEAKER_01]: This was the one guys, sorry, because by the time this comes out, there might be two out with Philippe. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the one with Nick and Marissa. [SPEAKER_01]: And I know they kept referencing the reunion, which was filmed, I think, a little early in August, and they were like, oh, at the reunion, this happened at that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder how long after, if it was like the next day or something, or, you know, a week after when they [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: What else did you like? [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't like um I I hate to say that I didn't like this but I truly believe that this like more attractive cast leads to people who are not there for the right reasons.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they're selecting people because they're attractive and for no other reasons besides that that I can see [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, the producer said that or whoever whatever that article was, I think his words were aspirational. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: That's how they cast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is what I'm sacrificing. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I will give them a point for casting an interracial couple. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if she's done enough of that. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that that was a good move. [SPEAKER_00]: OK. And it worked out.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's your couple of still together. [SPEAKER_00]: So OK, that's on group therapy. [SPEAKER_00]: Bad for the relationships, good for TV. [SPEAKER_01]: That's on a reality star. [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't seem to make much of a difference. [SPEAKER_00]: Like in terms of like we made a big thing about it in the beginning, but I think in the actual course of the relationship, I guess we'd have to hear from Courtney to really really dig into that just didn't seem to make much of a difference in the actual like how their relationship played out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we talked about this but not I think we talked about this offline and I know you don't watch some of our house, but in that same interview, he did say that they asked Lindsey Hubbard to be on the show and she said no and I'm just like Lindsey Hubbard is no Nick. [SPEAKER_01]: Nick is like, you know, de-list in the reality TV, Lindsey Hubbard is right up there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I see the correlation is all the bravo verse, like peacock, bravo. [SPEAKER_01]: But she's pretty big that that would be very hard to suspend. [SPEAKER_01]: And also, it's like, you're asking someone [SPEAKER_01]: to be willing to share their lives because she's an actual reality star who shares her life and isn't very much in the public eye.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when you ask someone, would you be willing to be in the public eye and they have no idea what level we're asking them to be in the public eye? [SPEAKER_01]: That's a huge change. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if he was like half kidding or half not, but what if she had said yes? [SPEAKER_01]: How do you go about it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Although she would have been the first [SPEAKER_01]: to be a mother, that would have been a murder for sake. [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot go on murder first. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, with underage children. [SPEAKER_01]: You can, I mean, they do it in your home. [SPEAKER_00]: You love a baby in your house, a child in your house.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like to call people a bad parent because it's not for me to say. [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that is the move of a bad parent. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know what bad is the wrong word. [SPEAKER_00]: Self-interested and way too willing to risk your child's emotional and physical safety.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think, I'm trying to think, Meredith, first side of Australia. [SPEAKER_01]: They've had people, I think, one couple, are still together. [SPEAKER_01]: One was like a long-term relationship. [SPEAKER_01]: Another, I think they're still together, we're still together in a kid.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: It may work out, but for the most part, it doesn't, and now you've exposed them to that situation. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's just really risky because you're exposing them to someone that you don't even know. [SPEAKER_01]: Clouds. [SPEAKER_01]: How they are. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's like a huge, huge risk in doing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that's like one of the basics of being a parent. [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you just wanted to watch out for yourself and take care of yourself, [SPEAKER_00]: Then, once you become a parent, that's really over. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not want to be like, oh, your life has to stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: But to go on a reality TV show where you're going to meet some, you're going to put your, you're going to put your life in the hands of a TV producer who has a particular goal, but you're child? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else that you liked didn't like before we go into your opinions of each of the couples?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's funny how I'm struck. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, all of my dislikes were so people's specific and not processed or like producer's specific. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it'll come to me, but I can't really think of anything that I dislike that was about the show. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you really like the shift, the formats, the fast pace, more couples, the focusing on messy versus the love, and everyone's involvement in everybody else's.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we could have definitely had more love, [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I think you could only have one or the other. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like all the things I kind of like introducing aren't conducive to the love. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we just have to accept that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's entertainment now.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then if love happens, it's great. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So then let's move to the couples. [SPEAKER_01]: And let's start with Courtney and Nick. [SPEAKER_00]: I think what I was for, I mean, neither one of them I would count as a favorite. [SPEAKER_00]: I did think seeing Nick's, I'm sorry, I did not understand how this girl could just keep on cursing and just speaking to people that way and nobody would say like, you can't, this is wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like there is such thing as wrong and right the cursing really bothered me and it's not like, you know, I curse I'm not a shrink I get it but it's almost like the more you curse the less like impactful it is then it's just like, but why are you doing this and it's so I'm sorry it was trashy it was trashy like for people who are so concerned about how they're going to appear on TV constantly not just cursing but like cursing at somebody I just I couldn't get over it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It actually made me [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it kind of blocked out anything else that I might have seen in their relationship because the way she spoke to him was just so bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was my grip the whole time. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, forget slow burn, which is already a pet peeve of mine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Forget all of that. [SPEAKER_01]: We know you don't like him. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, why is no one actually telling her or like, you cannot talk to anybody that way? [SPEAKER_01]: That is not okay. [SPEAKER_01]: That she got away with it, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, give him a paw.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Nick and his interviews said like he wishes they got more sessions with Paul. [SPEAKER_01]: I think most of their sessions were with Paz. [SPEAKER_01]: And Paz obviously had a bias. [SPEAKER_01]: And they were to court today. [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like removing the illusion that the experts are like therapists of any kind.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like if you're not a therapist and as much easier for you to call out, like this is wrong and this is right. [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of like helping people work their way through it, you just call things wrong and call things right. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Paz is, I mean, has school may have shut down, but she is still licensed, I guess.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what happens? [SPEAKER_01]: If you get a license from a police that shuts down. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so valid. [SPEAKER_01]: Valid? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so valid. [SPEAKER_01]: No thoughts on Nick? [SPEAKER_01]: Just, no, not really. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was a conventional fuck, as you would say.

[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I like, I don't know, I think I expected more. [SPEAKER_00]: This whole like, he's coming from reality TV and people actually know who he is. [SPEAKER_00]: I will say, if Nick came on the show, I don't know, you've had seen it before. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he probably got a step up in the reality world by appearing on another show where he sort of seen as a victim.

[SPEAKER_00]: Would you agree with his like stock going up in the reality world based on his experience? [SPEAKER_01]: I think his stock his stock was a bad because a lot of what he did was competitive Reality show and then the romantic that he did was perfect match and again I always I've been saying all season that Nick is a kind of person that you've seen him But even the people that had seen him were like who is he again?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that his stock has gone up because one Married at first sight is like the talk of the town [SPEAKER_01]: right now. [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, he was paired with someone that was a really horrible person. [SPEAKER_01]: And he in the history of mass were used to seeing like really horrible grooms.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he came out on skate. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so yeah, in that way. [SPEAKER_01]: So now that was his intention. [SPEAKER_01]: This is so tough because [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say no, but it's just hard to believe that. [SPEAKER_01]: For stuff, you know how I always say like you have to be a certain kind of person to be a reality TV.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now if you're a reality TV over and over and over again, and then they call you for merit at first sight and you're not like, nah, that's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to think that there's no self interest there and that's the thing because I don't have any fact to say that.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was there for the wrong reasons. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's not different from the rest of most of them. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel, or maybe I should say the guys, where this is a cool experience. [SPEAKER_01]: If I happen to find love, this would be absolutely great. [SPEAKER_01]: But if I don't, I'm not gonna be devastated.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where I feel like the women are like, oh my God, I'm so devastated, I didn't find love. [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that it would be a cool experience [SPEAKER_01]: Helpin, he could still get a platform for another show if he decides because that's what I'm curious about is what does he do after this?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because now if I see him in another show, ask me the question again. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a funny thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, we're going to see him on another show. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the point. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in loving session, passing Paul is still trying to put him in Marissa together and saying, like, how about season 21?

[SPEAKER_01]: And Charlotte, they don't need to be cared anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Nick is the one who's like, I'm not in Charlotte or something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: So they don't care. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's move to the bells of the ball, Michelle and Cameron.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I like them until they got a little self-righteous. [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I mean, she, because he, even he, like he, I just he was a rock star of a man. [SPEAKER_00]: That moment where he's like, [SPEAKER_00]: Um, when, um, what's his name? [SPEAKER_00]: Mecca, and Adam, we're having their ridiculous conversation that we're treat.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of tells him like, you know, we're on TV. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, yeah, I don't really think you should, I just think that's such a real man, like, I'm an adult thing to do. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not jumping in here. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to tell you what to do. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not your daddy.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I am going to make sure that at least I am on record as telling you what you should have [SPEAKER_00]: That was like their stand. [SPEAKER_00]: That was one of their standout moments for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do feel like a lot of the season when they were showing us their various problems.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he gets down sometimes. [SPEAKER_00]: But I also loved how like the difference in income, I feel like that was overcome because he is actually confident in himself and his achievement and his goals. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't like I feel like that's part of the reason why she's like, why wanted someone with X amount of money, but he doesn't have it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't really think that has anything to do with money. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's similar to Nikki and I don't want to deal with someone who's going to feel insecure about my money. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And he was never going to be that. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually think we saw him wrestle with it in real time and just very quickly get to the most mature and developed human response.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So did you feel any way when at the dining table? [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'd really feel that it was more of like, you know, I know Michelle was, [SPEAKER_01]: criticizing people or at some point, but when he said, all you on the other side of the table should not be married at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is, but was he wrong? [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, even with, no, let me say this, even with Michelle, which I said, some of the things that she was seeing was not wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just more of the tone and the higher, you know, holy, I guess, holy and now, like, we're happy couple, and all that kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I'm just asking, like, your own objective thoughts on that. [SPEAKER_00]: I did not get the whole year them that I'll vibe from him. [SPEAKER_00]: I only got it from her. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I didn't really love how like she came to Bell Jolie. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't really love that vibe.

[SPEAKER_00]: Someone also pointed out like the language she used. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little, yeah, I didn't really care for that. [SPEAKER_00]: I also didn't get the, she was not giving girls girl enough for me in the sort of the Bell Jolie. [SPEAKER_00]: Like she was not giving like I'm on your side.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was giving like, I'm entertained. [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't really care for it. [SPEAKER_01]: Really? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean. [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: I just like the two of them as a couple who came into this thing for the right reasons with the right intentions willing to make the right compromises and deciding like you know what we really like each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to make this work because they had real challenges that could have easily if they were not in it like yes the distance the now they're moving to California. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know we know now that you know she. [SPEAKER_00]: foster job has gotten into new ones. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just feel like they actually had some real challenges that could have taken them out, but they were committed enough to see them through because they liked each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and that's a part like, um, through their journey was like their own journey when it was just that. [SPEAKER_01]: Because it was back in the day when Masks didn't interact with other people, they would have just been absolutely golden because they were just living in their own world.

[SPEAKER_01]: They talked through their things and they worked through it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's when you talk about the part which again, it is a season when they wanted them to interject and to comment on all the people's things. [SPEAKER_01]: But like you said, it was things like, oh, we're just here for the popcorn, oh, we're just here to do this and you know, I'm going to see this and all of that stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: But their love story was, you know, like you said, they had challenges. [SPEAKER_01]: What I wish, like everyone's tired of hearing me say was like, I wish the experts gave them or talked about it more or we saw it. [SPEAKER_01]: But it looked like it happened because I think at the reunion Michelle said what helped them because I think they asked them.

[SPEAKER_01]: What make them work well was the tools that they gave them and you know the sessions that they had that it was really very helpful So I'm gonna assume that they just in show it to us because they know how we end so they have to create that story to make it, you know Like to get them on track to be like the golden couple So I actually think that that's something that the old season had too much Which is that it's part of the story, but like watching people have their therapy sessions was never all that entertaining [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't give you more of the story, but it wasn't an entertainment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like it didn't, I don't know if I'm saying that right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's just, it's become in the new shifts. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is now, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: So talking about, I know in Camille was on shows like she just looked uncomfortable with the way everyone was talking like we did talk about other couples but not to this extent of going in.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, congratulations to them. [SPEAKER_01]: They are added to the, I don't know what the statistics now is for maths because last season was zero. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they all said, yes, I'm disappointed to see you, but they have one this season. [SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about Bell Jolie and Mecca.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually one of my greatest disappointments of the season, because I feel like they could have had it. [SPEAKER_00]: I really feel like they could have had it. [SPEAKER_00]: They could have been together. [SPEAKER_00]: They could have been happy together, but Mecca could not get out of his own way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, what do you think? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you think that's their biggest problem was that he couldn't get out of his way? [SPEAKER_01]: Or do you think like he just never liked Bella at all? [SPEAKER_00]: But the fascinating thing for me is like, if you didn't like her, I know her birthday is not like.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's an easy way to be very performative, if you will. [SPEAKER_01]: No, you can't use that word. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kidding. [SPEAKER_00]: But it was directly related to something that she said that he related to that he went out and got her thoughtful things that are thoughtful that he had listened to her that he knew her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, my mind is almost blown. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if that man had not sat there with his stupid 50 75%. [SPEAKER_00]: If he hadn't sat there with Adam talking about, she could have a bigger boobs. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's one of those things where I'm like, was it that you couldn't get out of your own way or that you were never in it because she wasn't your so-called type?

[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Mecha knows himself well enough to have a type, to know what he wants. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is the big question. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and then when you find out, and then you're calling her other people's names, like at this point, the lack of disrespect is too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of those things like, I know you're saying, like, what if he didn't do this, if he did that, we cannot take that out of his story because now it's become a pattern. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and that pattern led to them breaking up. [SPEAKER_00]: So are you saying like you couldn't be a different person?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, very good. [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough. [SPEAKER_01]: If he didn't, he wouldn't be Mecca. [SPEAKER_01]: But because that is him and nobody deserves to. [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't need to be on edge to keep waiting for wins the next one, wins the next one. [SPEAKER_01]: Like at that point, you're chipping at her that there'll be nothing left by the time we're doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I know what we're going to do for them. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I also find it interesting that [SPEAKER_00]: She and Bella Jolie kind of went through the same thing where I think they had to watch themselves back. [SPEAKER_00]: To fully reckon with like how much they Marisa called itself abandoning.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked her, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I am rooting for her in all areas of life. [SPEAKER_00]: But she talked about self abandoning and I feel like Bella Jolie went through the same thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Then she comes to the reunion with all this fire and I'm like, and she knows like I should have had this fire for myself from the beginning.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I found that I found that very entertaining. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she did call it self-abandoned. [SPEAKER_01]: Pass was very excited about that. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I'm going to coin that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to use that. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that you said that, but yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but what you think about this self-abandoned because I don't think you loved it as much as pasted.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a good term. [SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think it was something new. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's true. [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I haven't ended. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't feel like it was like this revelation.

[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like English words put together. [SPEAKER_01]: I have been doing myself, self-abandoned. [SPEAKER_01]: I did think it was like this thing. [SPEAKER_01]: But Bells really said it. [SPEAKER_01]: She said the minute I said yes, and then it was like something came over me. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what the heck did I do?

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, that was Marissa. [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, do you, we're going to get to Marissa, so maybe I should wait. [SPEAKER_01]: Any other thoughts in Bill and Mecca? [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we can talk about Marissa. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the question is, do you think Marissa got away really easily about lying the entire time?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like what she is season, what she had done for a season like kind person, because at the moment just say like, I lied the entire time. [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't being honest. [SPEAKER_01]: I did not like his house. [SPEAKER_01]: I did not like you. [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't be with you. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, wait, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: So what were we watching the entire season? [SPEAKER_01]: Did she get away with it? [SPEAKER_00]: She had done it to somebody else, but you will not catch me dead thinking that Adam should be treated any better than he's ever been treated in his life That meant deserves nothing pay him dust So if the port and I think that there's something to be said for like well It's it I found an interesting in the interview where she said like we basically stopped being intimate after the fight about pickleball That wasn't represented through editing or anything that we saw Yeah, so [SPEAKER_01]: What was interesting was like, uh, maybe it wasn't loving session.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was Valfa, so 80. [SPEAKER_01]: She's around. [SPEAKER_01]: She's been, she's doing her press tour right now, where she mentioned like he was a nightmare to a production. [SPEAKER_01]: And that judged with the intel, you know, that I shared with you guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know if you remember, I think it was the episode of the Anthony where I shared because someone had shared with me that he was basically a nightmare.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they weren't speaking. [SPEAKER_01]: Him and Marissa once the cameras were caught off. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they were kind of like order lunch or something and then one has to have one order and he was trying to order like multiples and they were just like kind of over it and fed up with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like that tracks if that makes it switch again is like the thing with reality TV is like if we don't hear this we would not know. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that this happened, but also to add to this during love and session past I mean Paul was like Adam is he was the most shocked by Adam and it wasn't till the reading that he was so disappointed by him and he actually apologized to Marissa and said I'm so sorry for doing this to you and at this point I'm like so it's safe to say Adam is not going to be on love and session because probably will be I mean if they can show up with paths.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Adam can probably, we'll see if he does, but I, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I mean, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I think this was more direct. [SPEAKER_01]: This is like I'm disappointed by him. [SPEAKER_01]: I am shocked by him and I'm apologizing to you for matching him with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: That does a strong word. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like Felipe is out there on threads. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, like everybody's trying to do clean up. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Adam's ego is big enough to be like, I'm not going to try to do some clean up myself. [SPEAKER_01]: I will say that Adam is not like active on social media.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, like at some point I thought, oh, I got following him, right? [SPEAKER_01]: But he's not like saying anything. [SPEAKER_01]: Felipe is good or bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Attention, I'm in it. [SPEAKER_01]: Where's this font light? [SPEAKER_01]: He's hopping to it. [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't care.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that kind of changes things a little because I do think in that case, no, Adam. [SPEAKER_00]: If Adam is laying low, if Adam is not trying to rehabilitate his image or trash talk Marissa, then I will give him two points for that because that means that we won't [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, I still think low, you know, okay, I think in the last episode, I think I was asking when that she brought her ice cream maker and they were hanging out and he was like, we should talk about what we're doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you in my same camp where are you not where I'm thinking like where they sleeping together? [SPEAKER_01]: Even though it was just two days in between, I don't know, Saturday to Wednesday. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I'm gonna fess up. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything you having to do with this ice cream maker, I was on the phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why. [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, I don't know what happens when I have to deal with the gamer and ice cream maker at decision day So I heard something about mushroom ice cream. [SPEAKER_01]: I just had a soccer videos. [SPEAKER_01]: There was no mushroom ice cream. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay Skip it there people yelling at you right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: This was like my real thoughts on Adam I couldn't I really understand when Marissa on the podcast [SPEAKER_00]: Said something like people couldn't believe that we were breaking up because of pickleball and I was like that it wasn't pickleball it was the inflexibility Like that the pickleball represented that's why you guys broke up [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think what they were asking right is like on his end.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because she's saying like, surely, me not playing pickleball cannot be the reason that he's put off by me. [SPEAKER_01]: Because Nick even said the same thing, like, is it anything else? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Nick, you would know the guys talk. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know why they let Adam ask all these questions, but no one's asking Adam all these questions.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the question was just like, she even asked production, like, is there something he's saying? [SPEAKER_01]: I heard all that and I've been like, it's not, no, you're saying the flexibility, but it's coming from him. [SPEAKER_01]: So what is his reason on her? [SPEAKER_01]: Because she's not inflexible.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I am convinced that pickle ball and inflexibility are the same thing. [SPEAKER_00]: So for him when he says, I broke up with her because of the pickle ball, it is not the pickle ball. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the inflexibility. [SPEAKER_00]: of what like what's all is a representation of the inflexibility because if you're saying oh I broke up with her because of pickleball and to this damn like when he says he broke up with it broke up with it because of pickleball is it because she didn't want to play pickleball three hours a day or she wasn't good at pickleball like which one was it?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still I'm still lost [SPEAKER_01]: Pickleball is a representation of his inflexibility. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's what. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean? [SPEAKER_00]: What is inflexible about? [SPEAKER_00]: He's inflexible about everything, including Pickleball. [SPEAKER_00]: That she doesn't want to play.

[SPEAKER_00]: Pickable. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to change anything about himself. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to change anything, but the one thing that he's picked is the pickle ball. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's everything. [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to move out of his little shack.

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to accommodate her needs. [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to think about another person. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: He can boil it all down to just, well, she doesn't want to pay pickle ball three hours a day. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that makes sense because I mean, I don't know if he caught this or a missed this decision day where he said that he was already having those feelings at the honeymoon.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because she said she had a few more years of nightlife left in her and he's like, yeah, this is not going to work. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just like, why didn't you ask me what nightlife meant? [SPEAKER_01]: You go to shows. [SPEAKER_01]: That's nightlife. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what do you think nightlife means?

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's saying like even before pickleball, [SPEAKER_01]: that he already was thinking like, they don't work, and that's not going to work on there. [SPEAKER_01]: And it started from the, the nightlife thing is because he doesn't drink. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, it's, it's not just like, oh, I don't drink.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the inflexibility surrounding his not drink. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm saying like, that's another example. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm saying, I don't know if you hurt that, but that's yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it adds to what you're saying that that makes sense. [SPEAKER_01]: The inflexibility.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what she's just like, if you don't want to change a single thing about your life, why are you going to go find someone to merge your life with? [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's just an experience. [SPEAKER_01]: Remember this is the guy who had someone he was seeing and Paul had to make him break it off.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah, I don't think so. [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't even want to. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he should never have been cast. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's apologizing to Marissa, but he's not talking about the fact that you match someone who had someone over at his house the night before.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, we were telling you Paul as we were watching that these are all signs that this bed should be on the show, but you went full steam ahead and now you want to say, oh, sorry, Marissa. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, um, sleepy and Tory. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't even know what to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're so much like, [SPEAKER_00]: I was suspicious of that man from the beginning. [SPEAKER_00]: He basically proved to be who he said he was with a brief like detour to another land. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, I actually didn't find them very entertaining to watch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think it's funny that the one thing that like made her like break up with him and then I'm break up with him. [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of wasn't his fault. [SPEAKER_00]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: Like everybody else was saying he's a fuck boy. [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't saying he was a fuck boy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I kept him being like the fact that he is a fuck boy is the reason why you're really mad. [SPEAKER_00]: Not that people are saying what is actually the truth. [SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know what you're saying. [SPEAKER_00]: But that was his fault. [SPEAKER_00]: Like he shouldn't joke about Asian laugh at it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of didn't buy that. [SPEAKER_00]: It was just uncomfortable troops being told. [SPEAKER_01]: So, do you think that what she was saying is in terms of like how he was reacting to it? [SPEAKER_01]: You think that was just what she chose? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think that, and it's legitimate seeing everybody see that he is a fuck boy, yeah, she was like, but he is and I should break up with him and I agree with that [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that it wasn't, it wasn't comfortable for her to realize that, oh wait, everybody does see it and I've been trying to act like it's not, but exactly, but it is to truth and it's, yeah, it's played out here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I can see that. [SPEAKER_00]: I can see, you know, I really liked, oh, you know, I will say, I really like Tori and Melissa and Belle. [SPEAKER_01]: to her email assembly. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really like wish the best for them. [SPEAKER_00]: I hope they find just someone great who's going to appreciate them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Generally speaking, I think that she tried. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll even give that I think Felipe tried. [SPEAKER_00]: He did. [SPEAKER_00]: He did try. [SPEAKER_00]: But once again, it's like discovering that you're really not suited for this. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think you came on there to like, I did love the slow drip of revelations.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I love how we went from like, oh, I own and manage a restaurant too. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, it's my parents' restaurant that I run for them because I don't do anything by myself. [SPEAKER_00]: That I loved that journey for us. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can you break down for me? [SPEAKER_01]: How you think he tried? [SPEAKER_00]: In the beginning, he really liked to her and was attracted to her. [SPEAKER_00]: So for a second there, he was like, wait, I am going to try. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he tried in the beginning. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he had good intentions.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that he tried. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he had good intentions. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, contingent on the fact that she was hot. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So that helped. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, OK, I got the hot lady. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I have good intentions. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try to fight against my natural instinct. [SPEAKER_01]: But that was all in his head. [SPEAKER_01]: It never manifested into actuality. [SPEAKER_00]: I also think that the fact that she was attractive was almost like [SPEAKER_00]: Because she was attractive.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was willing to at least do, you know, a try, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But I also think because she was attractive. [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, wait, I can pull this caliber. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he didn't pull. [SPEAKER_00]: He was given. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like they were mutually attracted to each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is true. [SPEAKER_01]: That is true. [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, oh, I can wait. [SPEAKER_00]: She's attracted like wait a second. [SPEAKER_00]: I have not fulfilled my dreams of being a man. [SPEAKER_00]: I think his man whoardum was really overstated. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that was your thought too, but he still has aspirations and that's why he could not stay married because he needs to go out and explore those. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to go as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see things. [SPEAKER_01]: With a TV show in there, he's built.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, yeah, I got it. [SPEAKER_01]: I got to maximize this. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not going to be married or not be single while I'm at the peak of whatever career he thinks he's going to get. [SPEAKER_00]: which is like so on brand for a person who is going to live a future of cheating on people.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm curious to see if Tori makes her way to love and session because she looks really mad at Paul at the reunion. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, your DM's are going to be full and she's again, who as who said I want my DM's to be full. [SPEAKER_00]: So I just need to see it's such a great example of why different people come on the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, I came on the show to be married. [SPEAKER_00]: So I could get out of the dating thing that I probably wasn't enjoying. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like, oh, it's going to go so great. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not why I came here. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why he came here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is not the story of math, the women come already to be married and the men come like, yeah, not going to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: So all right. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move to Devon and Caitlin. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I just, okay, I just, I never do what to think of that. [SPEAKER_00]: I did think though that his victimhood was a little overstated.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, tell me more. [SPEAKER_00]: I just this idea that like she's evil and she's horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: She is not right for the show. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, when he said that thing where he's like, well, I just thought I could come on love bomb her and then we would be great because I'm like, that doesn't sound like a great plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a fault of yours. [SPEAKER_00]: If you think love bombing is the equivalent to building a real relationship with somebody and that you expect a certain response from your love bombing, there's only one accepted response to how I behave. [SPEAKER_00]: And the minute you don't have the accepted response, now you're the problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think their actual dynamic was. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're two people who I just think were two totally different people. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, it's crazy though because when I watched that first episode with you, they seemed golden. [SPEAKER_00]: They were into each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: The wedding day went like, it was so good. [SPEAKER_00]: Our dad was, you know, I really like him. [SPEAKER_00]: And then, [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we had thoughts on the whole couple's retreat, Caitlyn, Mecca, Devon, and Situation. [SPEAKER_00]: That was gross.

[SPEAKER_00]: She deserves, she deserves some ish from that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really glad they broke up after that, actually. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't care what kind of excuses people make. [SPEAKER_00]: I just people like all I've forgotten, Ma'am is married. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, like there's just no excuse for behaving like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so disrespectful to everybody involved. [SPEAKER_00]: She deserves shit for that. [SPEAKER_00]: She deserves shit for that. [SPEAKER_00]: and people's reaction to it was just like a little too, he's such a victim of her weakness. [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't really, I didn't really think that was it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were incompatible and she wasn't willing to do what Marissa did and because of that, she got labeled as like something evil. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't think that's the case. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you, wait, you completely disagree with me?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like when you, I feel like I've exhausted all my thoughts on them. [SPEAKER_01]: I talked about them over and over again that I'm just like, I don't want to bore people again, but I'm also trying to remember because, you know, this season ended and I moved on, but no, honestly, I agree with what you're saying, but I'm also remembering moments where [SPEAKER_01]: Like, no matter what we list out now at the end of the day, it just boils down to them being incompatible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there were times when he was intense, like the time when he was recording me, when they got home, I was just trying to get him to simmer down and he's still trying to be like, I see you are here, you are in the stand you at the Couples Retreat, when he was trying to say, like, you know, never disrespect me, that's my break in point, and then when he was trying to get up, it's just like, [SPEAKER_01]: that is not like if I know they just met each other but that is not the language that someone like he knew we respond to or maybe it is because at some point she said maybe the fighting is for play but again no matter what I list on here at the end of the day they weren't compatible that's that's it we're both to intense for each other in different ways

[SPEAKER_01]: They're both intense, but are in different spectrums and the intensity where she was just like, this is a lot for me. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was just like, I'm giving you all my all and he should work and wise and it working. [SPEAKER_01]: You know? [SPEAKER_00]: And that's so unfair. [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it was unfair.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not owed a particular response. [SPEAKER_00]: And the way you guys are incompatible, your intensity is turning her off. [SPEAKER_01]: It is, and I think the only reason why me, people reacted that way, is just like, when you come in a show like this, what were you expecting? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it, on the deumbrella of the slow burn and all of that, but it's like, she was really deep into the, I'm not gonna text you when I leave, you're not gonna put your leg on me, we're not even gonna kiss, that's a little, that's a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: And the person who probably shouldn't have been on the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: I think these people will come out and say they're a slow burn. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just code word for.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really attracted to this one. [SPEAKER_00]: It is, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a problem. [SPEAKER_00]: It would be a hot burn. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is. [SPEAKER_01]: I do, I, I said that. [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that. [SPEAKER_01]: But then you have the people who are like Karen and Miles.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have the Jamie and Dougs. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, even if you happen to now end up with someone who's a slow burn, I just think the next plan of action is to just go at their pace. [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's just nothing you can do at that point, but when you think like, well, we need to do this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're actually married. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not, you're not going to change them. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to do anything to them. [SPEAKER_01]: You've just been dealt a hand that you rather not have gotten so trying to do anything else. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a waste of time, as far as I'm concerned.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're just better off going at their pace and understanding that. [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be unhappy. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, final. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope I didn't skip any [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I don't think you skipped anybody. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you saved the best for last. [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Ha. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know where to start with them. [SPEAKER_00]: I will say that every time I watched them, I went back to that part during the interviews when he was talking, I want to say to Paul, but maybe it was to pass. [SPEAKER_00]: And he felt the need to tell us that he had dated Miss Virginia.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, you, there were three. [SPEAKER_00]: Miss Virginia miss world something I don't actually remember he's like I have dated page and clean Yes, and I knew that that man was good. [SPEAKER_00]: I knew it was going to be a problem. [SPEAKER_00]: I knew it was going to be a problem. [SPEAKER_00]: Because he sees women as like trophies and that ego like that sense of self is not very well developed.

[SPEAKER_00]: It cannot stand up to. [SPEAKER_00]: I, wait, was it that reunion where Nikki provided her answer for why she thought that he was, that he wasn't the groom? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I just, I mean, it was a good story. [SPEAKER_00]: It was plausible. [SPEAKER_00]: But there was a dick. [SPEAKER_00]: There was there's always a dick and it's just like if Sean had been someone different or I don't know if it's not good to go into like the ifs and the and and the buts and the whatever but I do think they both sucked I do think he sucked a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you remember doing that episode that you are on. [SPEAKER_01]: I was saying that what I would like to know about the end of the season is his motivations for why he is. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it felt like he had something to prove that he was always like, you know, I have to get my this degree.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have to get more. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to have this. [SPEAKER_01]: And then when he mentioned I did it this person, that person, he felt like he had to prove that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I can pull this person. [SPEAKER_01]: And I want it to know like what is motivating you to always want.

[SPEAKER_01]: more and more and more. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think I got my answer. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was full circle that at the reunion he also mentioned that the Lisa Leslie's aren't his DMs, the same thing as mentioning the beauty queens. [SPEAKER_00]: As long as women are a prize, it's not going to be good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he really felt the need to put Nikki down and punish her for not wanting him. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it took him a while to get there. [SPEAKER_01]: I do think for the longest, he was like, she's lying. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's into me. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's just not admitting it to herself, but there's no way.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way she's not into you. [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, to read her, and again, I do not think Sean is a bad looking man at all. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not! [SPEAKER_01]: He's not! [SPEAKER_00]: But it's okay for Nicky not to be into him. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I do think sometimes she could have conveyed that in different ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, a lot of people were like, well, [SPEAKER_00]: I, this is the other thing I feel like she was almost defending herself. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the reason why she had to tell him over and over again, that she wasn't attracted to him in the nicest way possible is because he couldn't seem to get the message.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure she told him and he just didn't, he would not accept it as truth. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it made it come off like she was really mean. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that Nikki was comparable to Mecca in the whole attraction thing? [SPEAKER_01]: Like Mecca was getting a lot of fuck, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I've just seen some discourse of, you know, but Nikki is also saying the same thing, that she's not attracted to him, but it's okay, like it feels like, okay, well, that's well within her right, but then when Mecca says it, it's like a big deal or something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where I got this, but I have listened to a lot of podcasts.

[SPEAKER_00]: So someone else said it, and I do think it's a key difference. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Mecha and Bell jewelry were clearly having sex. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So it is really something to be intimate with somebody and then be saying, well, you're not really my type. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a different situation from, that's why I kind of was a little disappointed when they did whatever they did.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was like, I think there's a big difference. [SPEAKER_00]: You mean Nikki and Sean. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think they did whatever they did. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Sean and Bell and Mecca is that Bell and Mecca were having were being intimate. [SPEAKER_00]: And so what he was saying is in that view.

[SPEAKER_00]: What she is saying is in the view of someone who she's not being intimate with. [SPEAKER_00]: Like her words are matching her actions. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's just very, I, I can't expect Sean to be like super human and have no reaction to someone continually saying like, Doug can who be who he wants to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think everybody's supposed to be Doug. [SPEAKER_00]: We'd like Jamie and Doug. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. [SPEAKER_00]: And I honestly, I never watched their season. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how, I know that she was saying to us that she wasn't attracted to him. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what she was saying to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you don't remember who's going to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I do. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying like if someone runs through the wall and cries, I think that tells you what they think. [SPEAKER_01]: He just is like, I'm going to be patient. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I said like if someone is saying like they're not into you, the best thing to do is patient.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what Doug did. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he just gave her a space and she came. [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is I think what everybody forgets is that [SPEAKER_01]: she turned around by the honeymoon. [SPEAKER_01]: They had their first kiss during the honeymoon. [SPEAKER_01]: He just was chilling.

[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't like say, oh, we need to be intimate. [SPEAKER_01]: We're married. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we need to be whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was there. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she just like, oh my god, the way these patients, the way they kind of like, I feel like I like this man.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then she made the first move. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she kissed him. [SPEAKER_01]: You know? [SPEAKER_00]: I think the whole it only lasted until the honeymoon thing is a key part of the story. [SPEAKER_00]: But hey, um, this is why like [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're equally bad, but Sean is worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like Eli's, that whole thing about, I didn't tell you wifely duties, like dude, yes you did. [SPEAKER_00]: And as you me said it, because you believed it. [SPEAKER_00]: And we've just covered this on this death of a pastor's wife. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no such thing as wifely duties. [SPEAKER_00]: You ding dong.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which is different from saying like in a marriage relationship, there should be, those are two different things. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel bad. [SPEAKER_00]: I felt bad for Nikki a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: But I also like she's an Irish dance. [SPEAKER_00]: She's not like one to take things lying down.

[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't want to be like a beat up victim. [SPEAKER_00]: So then she would like fight back and then they would both look shitty. [SPEAKER_01]: I think they brought out the worst in each other. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Which is a sign of, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Your partner should kind of bring out the best parts of you, not the worst parts.

[SPEAKER_01]: And neither of them deserve to be in fighting mode all the time. [SPEAKER_01]: And it felt like they were always in fighting mode. [SPEAKER_00]: It felt like there were always in fighting mode, but I do think she was playing defense. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's it for all of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I could just show like little highlights that were out there from love and session. [SPEAKER_01]: Pass and Paul were really laying you don't think for Nick and Marissa to be together was like did them both dirty I just oh, that's why they were paired together that makes sense [SPEAKER_01]: Um, not Nick having frame pictures of his shows in the background, like he framed a married a first sight and then he framed I think it was battle camp also on there and then past starts to like these two should have been lovers not spouses she has lovers on there and past was like oh I stand by most of our work but we met up got our wires crossed to you guys and Nick is like um you guys are so messy like I haven't even really spoken to her we've probably had three conversations.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't tell you what it would be. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it would have been amazing. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, make go with the flow here and go around. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I was going to give in to their nonsense. [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to like use him to redeem themselves and act like it's all a joke.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is, I mean, I guess no one got married so whatever, but yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I just it felt like they were trying to co-sign him to like co-sign their bullshit. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, please. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like me. [SPEAKER_00]: This is all a big joke, not like you really wasted.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say in next case, Courtney probably did it. [SPEAKER_00]: They did appear like a decent match on paper. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he even said that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they talk about, you know, matching on paper, but at the same time, it's like Nick. [SPEAKER_01]: No, Nick was very insightful, actually, in this interview, because he said, on paper, I'm sure we're a good match, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I put that I'm goofy and I forget what else he said. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she was like, she said the same thing, goofy and easygoing. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like Courtney also put on there that she's goofy and easygoing. [SPEAKER_01]: But as you can see, it's not necessarily representation.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we interpret things differently, so you know, so it's not their fault. [SPEAKER_01]: And he said she doesn't blame them at all. [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't make a comment though about how him and Marissa, they would have been free flowing. [SPEAKER_01]: She like some of the things she did.

[SPEAKER_01]: She likes to eat sushi and pass on his joking. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, is sushi your marker of a good relationship. [SPEAKER_01]: And Nick is like, well, it was a sushi was just a representative of would you ever want to eat together and Courtney never wanted to do that? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he meant, but they just, he's right on past that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I, I did, I think. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some of the bodybuilder background. [SPEAKER_00]: Every single thing about that hobby is. [SPEAKER_00]: orthorexia in the short term or the long term if and I say orthorexia for those who don't know, it's different from anorexia or it's a rexia is just like an obsession with eating the right things and usually eliminating a lot of food groups because they're bad so then basically you get yourself down to where you can only eat just a few things so it's not quite anorexia you're still eating but you're like I only eat perfectly and it is an eating disorder and I do [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care to speculate if she has it or not, but when someone says like we can't ever go to dinner because there's nothing you can eat because you're dire to so restrictive that that's a little bit of a sign to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know like I said, there's a lot of speculation online so I think someone even said like maybe that's why she likes like to suckers and things like that bit. [SPEAKER_01]: not my call in that regard of what's going on, but he did say that and he did keep it in. [SPEAKER_00]: So she's healthy, like he's not saying burgers, this meant that she wouldn't eat sushi.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, I think Nick actually held back, but he was like, I got it through in some of the things that I want to say. [SPEAKER_01]: Paul kept seeing like, it's never too late for you guys to get together, but I don't know if he's seen their Instagram, they're friends. [SPEAKER_01]: They all hang out, she's friends with Courtney, all the girls hang out all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much of it is, they're watch parties and things that are doing together, but it seems like they're actual friends. [SPEAKER_00]: It's really something. [SPEAKER_00]: It's really something. [SPEAKER_00]: Their friendship? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like their friendship is what made them go to the reunion and say that they weren't going to call Courtney out for her bullshit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that isn't what really bothers me. [SPEAKER_01]: Paz likes to shorten people's name like Marissa. [SPEAKER_01]: All we're missing is the A. [SPEAKER_01]: She calls her Marissa. [SPEAKER_01]: Might as well say Marissa at this point. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't be like in Paz. [SPEAKER_00]: It really can.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Merissa says it wasn't shown like when they spoke with Paul, but like Paul at some point called her, called her out and saying like she wasn't showing up as who she was in the interviews. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's a point where we've seen the previews were Paul is saying, like, oh, I have a very important question and then whatever question, I just want to know like how many days or weeks did it take for you guys to poop in front of your partners.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all laughing and it goes way longer than it is, but I just want to point out guys that I think I asked Alexis this question when she was on for a mask catchup. [SPEAKER_01]: So. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're like, I'm a visionary. [SPEAKER_00]: I saw it before they did. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, there's no universe in no world in which I want to hear about people pooping.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just said use a bathroom. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't go this far and they kept going and they asked pass how long before a husband, how long you and I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: For anyone who's curious, Adam, day one, he didn't care. [SPEAKER_01]: He just went straight out of Marissa's like she would never, but Adam was immediately and Paul is like, that is the symbol of how close, you know, you are.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, they didn't end up together. [SPEAKER_01]: There is an expert hotline where they're going to be taking questions from people. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you are interested, it is loveinsession.com. [SPEAKER_01]: slash submissions or you can send it through DM. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the first question that was asked was like a woman who just got married and the her husband, then they live near the family and her husband wants to visit the family three times a week.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she just wants to go once a week and it's too much. [SPEAKER_01]: So what did they do? [SPEAKER_01]: And then they gave answers. [SPEAKER_01]: If you were in your league, what would be your answer to this person? [SPEAKER_00]: It, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: My answer to these people like that is like I wish that people talked more before they got married.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like for instance, if you were marrying me, thank you, should know that you are going to be hanging out with my family. [SPEAKER_00]: That's just the way it is. [SPEAKER_00]: So I like the idea that you would like be with somebody and like you just need to have an idea of what, yeah, of how much time should be family time.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can hang up with your family and I don't have to be there. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I think everything I'm saying is just like people need to talk before they get married. [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's that, but also there's not it's kind of like when I kind of think like it's a kid to like telling someone you can read all the books on pregnancy and raising kids and you're not going to know until there's actually there.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can't account for certain circumstances. [SPEAKER_00]: There's all that you're going to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, a good question will be before we started dating. [SPEAKER_00]: How much did you hang out with your family? [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't together. [SPEAKER_00]: Remember they just moved close to the family.

[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't close. [SPEAKER_00]: So we're now there. [SPEAKER_00]: Different visions of like what this is going to look like. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So it is. [SPEAKER_01]: I actually think they gave good advice. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the answer being like this circumstance and it's just like they have to be compromised and meet and stuff because yeah, you can talk about it, which I think they mentioned.

[SPEAKER_01]: But in situations where it's not, I think like it's whatever works for your family. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no one [SPEAKER_01]: fits rule, and I think he finally got to it eventually. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, so why doesn't she want to go? [SPEAKER_01]: But also why does he want to go, you know, that often or that much or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: This dissolves kind of things, but again, everyone's different. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I mean, and I will say my central pavilion philosophy is like, do you want to be married? [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you want to be married then that relationship should come first and that doesn't mean that you should never see your family Or you should know but I just feel like there has to be space for like you go see your family, but I don't come every time But sometimes I come because I know that's your family like Yeah, I don't I Three times a week All depends on who you are yeah [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so that was it!

[SPEAKER_01]: That's our little recap of eight thousand the seasons and love in session recap. [SPEAKER_01]: Any final thoughts before we wrap up? [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Looking forward to next season. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's all I can say. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wonder how long it's going to take, especially now that they have a hit on their hands.

[SPEAKER_01]: If they're going to be like, love is blind and it's like twice a year, because they're already filming already. [SPEAKER_00]: So, would it be a January thing? [SPEAKER_00]: I'll make sure to reserve my spots early. [SPEAKER_00]: We've learned that last time. [SPEAKER_01]: So, Freddie. [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, thanks for stopping by.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And until next time, guys, [UNKNOWN]: Painful.

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