Reality Show Ramble - The Cult of NatureBoy, RHOBH, Belle Collective: Birmingham, The Valley and Ladies of London

[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of Altacol. [SPEAKER_00]: I am your host, Tane, here with another episode of Reality Show Rambal. [SPEAKER_00]: I will be speaking about one documentary and the rest are going to be actual reality TV shows. [SPEAKER_00]: I will be talking about the cult of nature boy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is the documentary. [SPEAKER_00]: I will be talking about real housewives of Beverly Hills, [SPEAKER_00]: and ladies of London. [SPEAKER_00]: Before I go into them, just a little housekeeping for you guys. [SPEAKER_00]: I do have a patreon patreon.com slash, all to call m afs, where I give bonus episodes, ad free episodes, and you can get bonus episodes early and regular episodes early as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Up recently is my bonus episode with aid where we are talking about 90 day fiance [SPEAKER_00]: Part one is up on Patreon. [SPEAKER_00]: Part two will be up next week. [SPEAKER_00]: You can join the Patreon if you're not a member. [SPEAKER_00]: Every now and then I do have free episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can be a free member if you choose not to be part of any of the tiers. [SPEAKER_00]: But remember, if you do want to join and become a Patreon and you are going through Apple, do it on a desktop that way you avoid all the extra fees that they are putting on top of that. [SPEAKER_00]: As a reminder on the regular feed, [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Plot Fill is up and we had the summer house to talking about that and Brian and I will be covering Love is Blind Poland which premieres May 6th.

[SPEAKER_00]: So give us a little bit of time to watch six episodes, I think that's how many episodes it is for the first drop and that should be up sometime next week also on the regular feed. [SPEAKER_00]: Last week I told you guys that I was going to the Bryson Wen survivor event and it was a great time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got to hang out with Jason. [SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping to do like a recap with Jason. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, we're still working on schedules, life is life being, but it was a great time. [SPEAKER_00]: Got to see some of the past survivor participants, got to see Alex from season 49.

[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a Gabe from afar. [SPEAKER_00]: I saw Hannah Chada from Big Brother, amazing race, and she's so tiny and she's so pretty and she's so nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, she was really just nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I saw from Big Brother was also there at senior at a different, um, um, so Vibert event, like a couple of years ago, but um, she's in the DMV area.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she was around, um, it was a good event. [SPEAKER_00]: We were just watching it on TV happened to be a great episode. [SPEAKER_00]: It happened to be two hours and thank God. [SPEAKER_00]: the twist was in our favor, our favor being the popular opinion favor because it could have gone left because I know I was bitching.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, just let them be, if someone goes home without a vote, that's kind of ridiculous. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think everything came out. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and I'm okay with how everything turned out. [SPEAKER_00]: There were lots of booze for Stephanie, lots of chairs for Tiffany, lots of chairs for devins.

[SPEAKER_00]: And at this point, I feel like I'm rooting for [SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany and Devons, you know, in the pre, the very everyone they first announced a cast, I have an episode out with Jason, like almost a year ago, I was rooting for Devons because I just think he had an unfair shake on his season.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he's a showman. [SPEAKER_00]: He's doing all of the things I know it annoys people, but it does not annoy me. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm okay with it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how he gets the win. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they will let him get to the end, but we'll see him reading for him as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how serious gonna pull this off. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how she is just like chilling in the gut. [SPEAKER_00]: And nothing is happening and no one's like, I mean, they are bringing her name up, but it's like, if you're bringing her name up, you're going home. [SPEAKER_00]: So good luck to you on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Aussie's best move is aligning with Siri, because that has saved his ass over and over. [SPEAKER_00]: And he still has an idol, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm warmer towards, risk God, gosh, did I call him risk God, risk of. [SPEAKER_00]: But if he wins, will I be mad? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'll be mad, but, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know how I feel.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not ready to say I'm okay to see him as a winner. [SPEAKER_00]: He was almost there, you know, it was really between him and Savannah for 49. [SPEAKER_00]: But I appreciate his, I appreciate him as a player. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the best way to say it. [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate him as a player.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think Jason had asked me, how do I feel if Jonathan wins the season, it was like, maybe he's not worthy of a season 50 to be called a season 50 winner, but I feel like it would be representative of 50. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to describe it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I have complaints.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh my god, what are they doing to the show? [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm also having a ball with the season. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, maybe they do know what they're doing. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I think when things go [SPEAKER_00]: then you're like, yay, that's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when Hubiki goes off, when he has to vote himself, it's a problem. [SPEAKER_00]: But then when you have coach, leave, you're like, ah, then it works out, you know, as you should, when Stephanie leaves, you're like, hey, you worked out as you should. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, up some downs.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's still, I'm still having a ball and it's still enjoyable as a season. [SPEAKER_00]: Happy for them that it was doubled. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, of course it had to be. [SPEAKER_00]: to million, whether the coin flip that we this time or not, they had to have found a way, 40 was to million.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they had to make it to million. [SPEAKER_00]: So as soon as they started floating on this name, I started yelling, tell Siri, tell Siri, because you tell Siri, she's gonna turn it around. [SPEAKER_00]: And we all know what happens once it's in Siri's hands. [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, I do want to be under the spell of Siri, just to know firsthand how it feels.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how she does it, [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to know how how we does first hand without someone without me watching it and someone telling me about it. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's it on survivor. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll try to see if I can get a survivor recap going at some point, but just stay tuned.

[SPEAKER_00]: General work on schedules. [SPEAKER_00]: But saying that I want to be on the Dispelive Series is a good segue to the first show that I'm going to talk about, which is the cult of nature boy. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is a true crime documentary. [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, it's on Hulu or Hulu and Disney, plus whatever it's called now.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a four-part Hulu documentary series. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's about a guy named Elijah O' Bishop. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a... [SPEAKER_00]: Black online, well, he called himself an influencer who started out a group called carbonation. [SPEAKER_00]: His whole thing was to create a black utopia, basically like get away from America, like it's not, you know, good for you, like they don't like black people, but we can live in nature and just do things naturally.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he goes to [SPEAKER_00]: He goes to so many places, but it started like, I think, like with Costa Rica. [SPEAKER_00]: But his thing is, like, he life streams everything. [SPEAKER_00]: So he life streams his ideologies, just saying, like, we're living in like, our own rules and no one's telling us what to do, we're not with the enemy, basically the world is batting on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to implode at some point. [SPEAKER_00]: So to keep yourself safe, just come be one with nature. [SPEAKER_00]: with me and will eat healthy will just eat the fruits will be in nature will be in the greenery where basically touching grass all the time even though he's kind of addicted to his phone and his life stream so you know how they do that's usually like [SPEAKER_00]: economy there where it's you say one thing what you're doing another but through his streaming and his life streaming he was able to get some people who believed in that and it was during the time I want to say like 2017, 18 during the height of like you know black men just being killed [SPEAKER_00]: all black people just being killed by the police.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a lot of like dissatisfaction and people just looking for a way they fit in. [SPEAKER_00]: So he got some people and he got his group. [SPEAKER_00]: Ironically, he started this when I think in 2011, he was in a relationship with someone in Maisha Evans and they had a kid and he was charged with aggravated battery basically like domestic [SPEAKER_00]: but he didn't face any jail time because she wrote a letter to the judge and let him go and not long after that was when he kind of started.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's holding, then he had a barber shop and he sold everything and then started. [SPEAKER_00]: This cult for like the better word. [SPEAKER_00]: So they started out in Costa Rica where he was just getting people and when they joined, you just give your debit card and it was like a pot, everyone donates to the pot.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the way to documentary is set up, they have four main talking heads, they had true, they had solar, they had velvet, and then they had Kendra. [SPEAKER_00]: So the way that it works is like when they come in, he makes you change your name. [SPEAKER_00]: Like don't have like [SPEAKER_00]: your slave name and have the name that is true to you and then he started out nice according to everybody it was nice it was good someone like true he came from the military after the military he didn't know where he belonged and that's where he came to join the carbon nation and the group so it just became worse and worse he basically wanted to live by his own rules we see a video because again everything is life-streamed where they are in a bus and I don't know where they were headed to

[SPEAKER_00]: And the Costa Rican police kind of stop them and say, like, you have to stamp your passport. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, we don't have to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: When I coming out the bus, and basically it became quite violent. [SPEAKER_00]: And then we see one of the first non black members decide that he was putting danger.

[SPEAKER_00]: He thought he was going to die. [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't have to escalate. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he left. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he denounced it. [SPEAKER_00]: They show a white lady who came from Canada and had family being so concerned. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm mentioning this because they are the only people or she's the only person whose family was kind of mentioned in that they were worried about her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just to show like the documentary I feel was kind of like a little uneven. [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't see the other members who were black, like maybe their family's really worried about them. [SPEAKER_00]: We do see Kendra say like she blocked her entire family when they moved back so they weren't deported a lot of times and they moved a lot of times.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when they were in Texas, she just blocked her family and went to join them and Texas. [SPEAKER_00]: They moved to Belize, they went to Hawaii, and when the pandemic started, they didn't want to follow the pandemic rules, they didn't quarantine. [SPEAKER_00]: And again, life streaming, everything that they were doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they were arrested, and he had to sign a plea by again, and they had to leave. [SPEAKER_00]: So basically, they were moving all around. [SPEAKER_00]: But they were living off of people, watching them donating to them, and also when they joined, they dropped their debit cards. [SPEAKER_00]: They had to have run out of money at some point.

[SPEAKER_00]: So as things say, getting worse, he said, matchmaking people, [SPEAKER_00]: One of the girls told a story, just to show you, I feel like the documentary was horrific, the content was very horrific, much like a lot of these cult documentaries are. [SPEAKER_00]: And she gave an example of how at the time she was a virgin, she wasn't having sex, but the guy that she was assigned to, he would jerk off every night, and, but he would ejaculate all over her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And one day, she was covered in ants because of that, just to show you the extent of the ridiculousness of this documentary and the things that they were doing within the cult. [SPEAKER_00]: He started becoming violent. [SPEAKER_00]: He decided that he wanted to queen one of the women who is in the talking head is velvet.

[SPEAKER_00]: She did her talking head pregnant very heavily pregnant, but none of it was addressed. [SPEAKER_00]: and I'll come back to this while I'm mentioning this. [SPEAKER_00]: But she talked about how she moves because she met a guy online who was part of carbonation omic and they were dating.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was nice for three months and nature boy just kind of told her, he doesn't love you, he doesn't want to be with you. [SPEAKER_00]: You should be with me and then basically made her queen. [SPEAKER_00]: He said calling himself the mosaic, he's the king, he's god, and she was queen. [SPEAKER_00]: But as queen came the responsibility of taking his [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, he was punching her.

[SPEAKER_00]: She said it was physically, sexually, spiritually, verbally, and emotionally abusive. [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody just used to watch, and they just used to think that she deserved it because she wasn't doing what she was supposed to do. [SPEAKER_00]: She got pregnant, she gave birth, he life-streamed her birth, and she would come out in bruises, they would hear screaming, and they just weren't face because [SPEAKER_00]: It just became part of what they thought life should be.

[SPEAKER_00]: He would have ideologies like any woman that is against monogamy, is against nature, and is a demon. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to put women in their places. [SPEAKER_00]: He would, you would see him hitting people, men, women, saying that women should be put in their place. [SPEAKER_00]: It was just really erratic, very disturbing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: I pride myself on being up to date on pop culture. [SPEAKER_00]: I do not know nature boy. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've heard of him. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's maybe I heard of him and I forgot, but I don't think I will forget this. [SPEAKER_00]: But this is crazy that he was just online, live streaming, and people just saying, this is not okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: People say I call him, you know, the cops to go on there and they would have welfare checkups, but they would say everything was fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, you know, velvet broke up with her boyfriend and, you know, started dating nature boy like I said, and I do wonder, if she regrets that, she didn't really talk about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what even happened to all make the guy that she was dating. [SPEAKER_00]: They did not talk about that. [SPEAKER_00]: They just moved on. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, to show how horrific this is, we see Kendra, the person who blocked her family and just went, [SPEAKER_00]: She was a virgin, like I mentioned at the time, and he decided that she was watching a movie with them, and they lived in tents when they were outdoors, and they would have a house where they could cook.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were watching movies, and he decided that he wanted to take her virginity, and velvet was not about that, but he was like, you will, and he made velvet hold her hand while he took her virginity. [SPEAKER_00]: So basically he wanted to have sex with all of the women. [SPEAKER_00]: He was having sex with all of the women.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was making them call him the Christ. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just awful guys. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how else to say it, just FYI, if you're planning on watching this, that it's just crazy to watch him be erratic. [SPEAKER_00]: At some point, he made them fight. [SPEAKER_00]: In some ways, you could say it was a reality TV, except it didn't have a reduction crew.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was just streamed live and raw. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you bring them to the beach and just say fight, and that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's insane, but the thing also, like I say, is that, yes, the talking heads now have left and they're on here now, but it's similar to the documentaries like the RKLEs, the DD documentaries where, yes, you're out of it now, but at the time you are complicit, you know, there's a time where they ask, do you feel any guilt?

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't outrightly say, yes, I feel guilty. [SPEAKER_00]: He just said, at the time, I believed it was right. [SPEAKER_00]: I do not have those ideologies anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: But this let me know that I feel like a lot of things were missing in the documentary, because that's what happens with these documentaries these days.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess to sell an angle, it's missing. [SPEAKER_00]: I... [SPEAKER_00]: have seen online that there are more details and something on YouTube called Hood Horror series. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I am ready to delve into that because again, I still think it was a lot in this four part on Hulu.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if you want more details and more things that we're missing from here, you can check that out. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I heard that someone in the group apparently lost their life. [SPEAKER_00]: They were taking heart medication. [SPEAKER_00]: nature boy made them stop taking it and eventually the lost life that was not touched on velvet and solar apparently had a baby together this is after his arrest because yes he's was arrested and charged for life they had a baby together and I'm like how how did we get there what is the thing because he still has people who are loyalty him even though he has been arrested.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to know a little bit about that, what they're thinking is, and I guess this is one of the things that happen. [SPEAKER_00]: Kendra and true are still legally married because at some point, they should boy had them all go to a chapel and all the people were couples became legally married.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to know, they didn't talk much about the children. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what happened to the children. [SPEAKER_00]: They never addressed the pregnancy in her talking head. [SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm like, is that solar's child? [SPEAKER_00]: They never talk about at some point.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to know that I believe that he's a abuse who's not just with the women. [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that he sexually abuse also extended to the men. [SPEAKER_00]: Because solar just a random thing that they put in where he's talking about, [SPEAKER_00]: who would be willing to, excuse my French, swallowing his com.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they were talking about it. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Solaris, I started to tell you some of the men said, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just, a lot of people just wanting to prove the loyalty to someone. [SPEAKER_00]: How is someone that carries magic? [SPEAKER_00]: They do talk a little bit about his childhood, but we don't know if it's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're just anecdotes that he told people. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a third party retelling. [SPEAKER_00]: Nature Boy is not the best narrator, so is what he's saying true or is it factual or did he just make it up as part of controlling people? [SPEAKER_00]: Guys, Nature Boy is so bad that he had a defense attorney and I say this all the time, like how do some attorneys defend people with egregious crimes?

[SPEAKER_00]: He even broke the attorney. [SPEAKER_00]: For him to like fire the attorney and say like, I don't want him to do my attorney in the middle of the trial and the attorney was like, [SPEAKER_00]: I apologize for everything that the people went through for you to break your attorney. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how terrible you are and we didn't even get the half of it on this documentary.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, it is tough content, but I do recommend it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like the best produced knowing that there are things that are missing, but you get to just a bit that a lot of this cult leaders, [SPEAKER_00]: follow the same pattern. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of narcissism, it's a lot of hard childhoods, where it's like, it seems like a trauma response to, I'm never going to let someone have that much control over me, so I'm going to control people, but they control people in the most horrific way.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they could have done a better job of showing the transition of going from what you [SPEAKER_00]: plan all along was it's mental illness at play, it's not an excuse, but even the people that went through it, how are they recovering? [SPEAKER_00]: I would like to know, I think some things you don't recover from, shout out to all the whistleblowers, like you know, Janae, who was brave enough to tell her a story and to get him to get charged, the internet investigator who kept called [SPEAKER_00]: the investigator who kept track of all the life streaming and provided it to the investigator who took this seriously and made a case out of it until eventually he was caught.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very intriguing. [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody always asks how do people fall for calls, but a lot of people are missing things in their lives and they feel the void in the worst way possible. [SPEAKER_00]: And this was really terrible. [SPEAKER_00]: So again, it's on Hulu, it's a four part documentary, if you want more.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is a hood horror, I think channel on YouTube where you can fill in the blanks on that. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's it for Nature Boy, the cult of Nature Boy. [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, really quickly, I keep forgetting to say that I started on well winter games, but Huda from Love Island is there with her boyfriend, Louie, and they're so annoying.

[SPEAKER_00]: It made it so unwatchable, I think I only made it through one episode and I dropped it. [SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_00]: never got to watch that in its entirety. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll take a break here and I'll be back with Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Real House House of Beverly Hills.

[SPEAKER_00]: The season is done. [SPEAKER_00]: We're having a reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a three-part reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: Doreed has the smoke for everybody, including Andy. [SPEAKER_00]: Andy clearly is not about that, like with Doreed. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone keeps wondering, is Doreed gonna come back?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see why not. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if Doreed is not there, what are they gonna have? [SPEAKER_00]: We have people hiding their lives. [SPEAKER_00]: So what are we gonna do? [SPEAKER_00]: It is the... [SPEAKER_00]: most interesting thing that and I guess I reminded that social media is not real life because when you go on social media all you see people complaining about Beverly Hills because it's not highest rated house drive show and it's the one that if I talk about Beverly Hills I get so much interaction and engagement from that because people are watching and people are still I guess interested in it no matter what it is I think they have [SPEAKER_00]: transcended all transgressions, no matter what they do, they still remain the highest rated.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so mad at them because they did their own Atlanta and I love Atlanta. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm still watching and it's a call versus Dorito. [SPEAKER_00]: And I've said it before, I can't believe I'm saying it, but if I had to pick, they're both wrong, but I would say that I'm team to read.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Kyle is really mad that everyone doesn't consider Dorita villain and she wants to view us and the cast [SPEAKER_00]: that she sees her, and she's just so focused on that, while also still trying to be the good guy, because Kylie's one of those people who wants people to see her is good.

[SPEAKER_00]: She'd rather talk about her, I'm such a good person. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm such a good friend, rather than actually being a good person and being a good friend. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, don't say you're not friends, then say, like, [SPEAKER_00]: oh well we're the closest to you and then get mad and if you're so concerned you speak to everyone but her about to read like it's a it's like mind games what are you to read I'm just trying to say that you're really close because you're not being supportive to read is a lot of things to read is not without blame don't get me wrong but she's going through a hard time I've said this before Kyle feels like she's in the [SPEAKER_00]: different planes.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's not on the same level as this woman. [SPEAKER_00]: She's amicable with her eggs, and she owns half of the agency, even though she does not have a prenov. [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel so bad for Kyle because if we receive the sights to go ham on her, she's fucked. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know, she has no prenobs, she has nothing, she says he has nothing when they were together.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yes, but he could argue that he put in all the work and he built it to what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: Both of them are not getting divorced because Kyle is still waiting for him. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Deryt was one who asked, are you waiting for him? [SPEAKER_00]: She is. [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Marince, you're just thinking in the business like Rachel was whispering under her breath the whole time. [SPEAKER_00]: They live different lives, and it's like someone clocked that and let her speak. [SPEAKER_00]: She sees them all the time That man considers himself single. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Kyle is saying like, oh, I'm still your wife after 30 years and all that It means nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's only thinking business wise me. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why he hasn't filed, but whoever decides to file I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be something. [SPEAKER_00]: She's keep saying when we meet someone and both did make a good point [SPEAKER_00]: Why not do it now when it's amicable because once it gets nasty, it's going to be really nasty and good luck to call that way, but it shouldn't be that hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: to have empathy for what Doree is going through. [SPEAKER_00]: Does Doree and Belli she has? [SPEAKER_00]: She'll find sometimes, yeah, but at the crux of it all, we know that she's going through a divorce, P.K. [SPEAKER_00]: is not the best and their kids involved. [SPEAKER_00]: How hard is it to show empathy?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, go to show that Fox 5, Force 5, whatever it's called, was an alliance, not an actual friendship because they're disintegrating. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me started on Teddy Mellon Camp and her words over on her podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's unhinged over there. [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle is also so bothered by the newbies being friends with Doreet, especially Bose.

[SPEAKER_00]: She makes sneaky comments when he comes to Bose, like, oh, you were fine until Bose says something. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she doesn't like Bose. [SPEAKER_00]: It's very obvious. [SPEAKER_00]: She makes all this comments. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know how to move around her. [SPEAKER_00]: She got so, you know, when who was it that said she was the ambassador and Bose and laughing and Kyle was like, don't say that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been very welcoming. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm welcoming of you like you can't say that I haven't been nice to you and both kind of backtracks a little bit I wish that we were chest like listen yes you have but we're not going to say you're like the ambassador but I think like Kyle is just scared to say like they don't get along but they're not together because she feels like she'll be branded as racist because you know everyone is on hinge now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter what you say. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's going straight for the jugular. [SPEAKER_00]: For that, there's no comprehension anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to go straight on emotions and attack. [SPEAKER_00]: So she's being careful because also, you know, happened with Garcel, but I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: For that, for Eric, I had to say she's the ambassador. [SPEAKER_00]: It was really funny knowing that. [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't warm to Garcel. [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't really warm to both. [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't warm to, she was an Amanda because she was on her side. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm, I'm blanking right now, but it's going to come to me, but um, Crystal, she was an exactly warm to Crystal, but again, she's OG and everyone is just, I don't know, the Hilton the Richards, they are, there's a little fear they are and everybody wants to be on that side.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the whole Amanda thing, Amanda is annoying, but now I'm just like, don't bring one person in a different age group to be on an island. [SPEAKER_00]: The women are committed to me understanding her [SPEAKER_00]: And, again, she's annoying, she's delu-lu, but so is Kathy. [SPEAKER_00]: No one's doing that to Kathy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy's just as annoying, and Kathy's delu-lu. [SPEAKER_00]: Kathy picked up a whole damn phone call during the reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't even move an inch. [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody said anything, but I swear if it's Amanda, everyone's gonna be like, how rude. [SPEAKER_00]: That is not professional.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't you do that? [SPEAKER_00]: So, they just don't want to understand her. [SPEAKER_00]: And, [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to keep it that way, but this whole thing of icing people out and being mean girls, Beverly Hills is mean girl central. [SPEAKER_00]: No ifs and so buts about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just mean girl central because they got on her for like, oh, you're flunting your wealth. [SPEAKER_00]: You're saying this. [SPEAKER_00]: Tilly does it all the time, is it because we like Tilly? [SPEAKER_00]: She comes in here and says, this, I'm wearing this, I'm wearing this designer, that designer to some extent, Rachel does it, maybe it's not of noxures, but it's just through the lens of do we like this person or do we not like this person and then it's acceptable, as many people have pointed out online, Erica did the same her for a season.

[SPEAKER_00]: So what is the problem? [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, they're committed to misunderstanding Amanda. [SPEAKER_00]: They just don't respect her. [SPEAKER_00]: The [SPEAKER_00]: Bose is very, very annoyed by Amanda. [SPEAKER_00]: When Bose said like, the CMO role is meant to be short term. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, she has brought out a video, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's talked about, you know, the different obstacles that, you know, black women face in business in the corporate world, she's not wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: She's absolutely right. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the circumstances are terrible where [SPEAKER_00]: black women especially get the brunt in the corporate world.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I forget what it was, but I said this when I was in Ravens podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a phenomenon where when there's a thing and they want to fix it, they bring a woman CEO to come fix it and then once they're done with them, they get rid of them. [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, she is not wrong, but I think that it's not also the case for [SPEAKER_00]: all CMR roles and that's including all the others that it's meant to be short term.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she didn't express herself the best at that moment. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she was taking it back by Andy's skepticism at the point when she said like that's what the role is meant to be that the CMR was supposed to come in, get things done, and then you move out. [SPEAKER_00]: Now if we're talking in a different case of how you know Black women are being treated in the corporate world and that role yes, she's absolutely right that's usually like short term and it doesn't always work out like [SPEAKER_00]: counterpart parts on there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But again, if I'm wrong, as usual, feel free to correct me, you guys. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that learning more by Erica on the reunion was more of a redemption. [SPEAKER_00]: for her or to justify her stay, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm overthinking it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Erica has her moments. [SPEAKER_00]: Erica can be annoying, but I don't mind Erica as a housewife. [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's a great housewife. [SPEAKER_00]: She's very showman. [SPEAKER_00]: She, I don't know if she feels the things that she actually feels. [SPEAKER_00]: She knows how to turn it on.

[SPEAKER_00]: She knows how to turn it off. [SPEAKER_00]: She knows how to put her allegiance. [SPEAKER_00]: And she's built a reputation where she's like a no-nonsense person. [SPEAKER_00]: So even when she says something, if you want to accuse her of being like a follower, [SPEAKER_00]: she can always be like, what, who are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not that kind of person. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say what I want whenever I want to. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: This whole thing, her allegiance to Kyle is, it's weird to me. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just weird. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's where she has chosen to pledge her allegiance.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where it's going to be. [SPEAKER_00]: But it is annoying to find out more stuff [SPEAKER_00]: You know, people saying that she doesn't share her life when it was the segment for Morgan, who I hear is having a podcast, but wants to be private, but okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm she kept saying, there are people here who've dated people who are not sharing.

[SPEAKER_00]: People here who've dated, who's I'm like, name names, who are you talking about? [SPEAKER_00]: I was singing there with Dr. Barker, I was like, she's not here anymore because they kept saying that she was dating someone the last time. [SPEAKER_00]: Which brings me back to the fact that Erica had the nerve to even say that Garsell was not sharing her life when she had a whole as relationship that she never talked about.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why Andy didn't bring that up, but again, also, I wanted to stop talking [SPEAKER_00]: airtime for someone who has left and she has let them be that they should just be on whether they are. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad that Kyle eventually just said, you know, for example, Erica dated someone never talked about it and I'm like, okay, name names.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, don't keep being vague and saying other people are doing it, but it doesn't mean it's right. [SPEAKER_00]: If other people are doing it, it doesn't mean that you should do it. [SPEAKER_00]: I know she always says, like, you know, I show my life, I show my life, but we all can't close on past legacy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you did, but if you're done showing your life, maybe you should be done. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's never leaving. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that you should fire I'm just saying like she needs to course correct and set showing her life and I think that was Doree's point when she was saying like I always had your back.

[SPEAKER_00]: I always had your back and Doree's was like It was 10 years ago. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about now because the problem is now where you're not supporting me with this whole thing with P.K. [SPEAKER_00]: Now is Doree delivering our points? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, she is yelling at everyone [SPEAKER_00]: and yelling at Andy and saying it was a very terrible metaphor.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know what's going on with Doree. [SPEAKER_00]: She's going through it off time, but she's not handling this well. [SPEAKER_00]: She needs to play this smart because she needs to keep her job. [SPEAKER_00]: This is not the way to do it, even though I don't think she should be fired, because she's been antagonistic to it's Andy.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the same thing as, you know, Bose had a video. [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, come here, Andy, come to the front of the class. [SPEAKER_00]: Did you say this about me? [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the same as, you know, coming at Andy, should someone be fired for that?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't see how her job would be in question because, oh, if you say one thing against Andy, off with their head, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it proves the point that maybe Kyle has more cloud than they're admitting to if they do fire because like, oh, I don't like her, so she's gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: So then everybody, Kyle doesn't like his gone. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the case? [SPEAKER_00]: I will give credit to Kyle, that she is very clear on her feelings, especially when they did the montage of her emotions during the house, and she's clear about where she is in her life. [SPEAKER_00]: It's very clear that she doesn't like being single, she doesn't like being here, and she shares that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what we've seen for the last couple of seasons. [SPEAKER_00]: We get it. [SPEAKER_00]: We know where you are emotionally. [SPEAKER_00]: It is hard for us to go on that journey with you. [SPEAKER_00]: when we actually still don't know the details of wow you got here. [SPEAKER_00]: We still don't know the straw that broke the camel's back and made them split.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're saying that you're mad at how he's behaving. [SPEAKER_00]: But you are in a whole ass relationship. [SPEAKER_00]: What are you mad about? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand. [SPEAKER_00]: And if we don't understand, we cannot connect with you on what it is that you're trying to keep private.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a mess [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see, the final part is coming up, and then we'll see how the season goes. [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if Amanda is going to come back. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Sutton's still not saying that she doesn't know why Garcel doesn't matter her, and she thinks it's because she says something about Erica.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, clients are going with the people who say that she knows but she's just purpose the acting up to you. [SPEAKER_00]: So we just leave it at that. [SPEAKER_00]: She's just lucky she had Amanda and all of this thing going on for her this season. [SPEAKER_00]: So, good fire, she's part of the group, yay.

[SPEAKER_00]: in on it now. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, take a break and I'll be back with Bill Collective. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Bill Collective Birmingham. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a spin-off of the original, uh, that was just Bill Collective. [SPEAKER_00]: I used to watch the original, but somewhere along the line, I stopped watching.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got tired of the zaddy of it all, the couple that was [SPEAKER_00]: lost track. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I missed a couple episodes and I just never went back. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was determined to catch up on Belle Collective Birmingham. [SPEAKER_00]: So even though it's Belle Collective Birmingham and it's been off of Belle Collective, it is also a pseudo spin-off of the show Love and Marriage Huntsville.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have talked about this show on here. [SPEAKER_00]: It has Martell, who you may know, who was the fake boyfriend of Shiree from Atlanta for a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_00]: The anchor stormy is from that show, Love and Marriage Huntsville, which is also produced by Carlos King, Carlos King, used to be a producer on the real house of Atlanta, real house of New Jersey, and now he produces a bunch of reality shows on own, which is where all these shows air.

[SPEAKER_00]: So stormy is the owner of Canvas Beauty, and she's doing pretty well for herself. [SPEAKER_00]: She holds a record for like, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the highest, I think, life sales and TikTok for her beauty products, and she left the show because, you know, it just become a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: Love and marriage transfer became a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: So a couple of people left and I'm glad that she left at the right time. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that she found this show where she is celebrated. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't seem to be under defense and she gets to be. [SPEAKER_00]: herself. [SPEAKER_00]: She's in a new phase in her company where she gets to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: She gets to have her first celebrity and Doris Sir who is Lala Anthony. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what the focus is all about. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just this new products that she has working with her first celebrity and well first celebrity and Doris Sir and just the women all around in Birmingham or the BAM as they call it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to go through the cast and just share my thoughts on them. [SPEAKER_00]: um i've talked about stormy she has a husband who's very supportive court me and she has a son she doesn't like the sprawling like ranch of a place whose acres and acres of land and i do believe she's stealing hunts villain is commuting that wasn't clear i wasn't quite sure or maybe she temporarily went to Birmingham but she does make the commute anyway [SPEAKER_00]: Amber is her CFO on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: See, I don't really have any thoughts on her. [SPEAKER_00]: She's basically just stormy CFO and think marketing manager and she just has a one sided beef with another person on the cast Kayla From years ago, so I'm like, is this kind of tribe just to have a story, but she's also in the know with everyone else and because she's stormy as he works with stormy so she fits in [SPEAKER_00]: with the cast but I don't have strong episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've watched the first three episodes I have to put that out there and it looks like Amber's niece might have more of a storyline based on the previous to come so we'll see how that goes. [SPEAKER_00]: We have Tiffany Jones from her very first introduction. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, um, I think she's going to be very annoying and she is [SPEAKER_00]: She is annoying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany is a conservative, a very religious woman. [SPEAKER_00]: She's a kind who wants to put up a front like everything is perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything is right. [SPEAKER_00]: She's one of those people who feels elevated because they're married. [SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, everyone has a past.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone has a story. [SPEAKER_00]: And I know there has to be some kind of story because she has a blended family. [SPEAKER_00]: With her husband, husband has a kid, and she has an older daughter, and then they have a kid together. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't really get into it. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't get into the older daughter, what the story is, what she married before, what happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: But apparently Tiffany went viral because she went viral for being proposed to being engaged and having a wedding on the spot and I had to get she and now she was pregnant. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that in my recollection in my memory bank, but that's what she's known for.

[SPEAKER_00]: She is very animated. [SPEAKER_00]: She has like couples, game nights, and it's just like a weird thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Her vibes are not right, that Stormy's dog, when she walked in Stormy's dog saying barking at her, said they were like, oops, the signs are there. [SPEAKER_00]: We have Fumi Ford, she's a Nigerian, I tell you guys all the time, there's always a Nigerian in the cast, she is an influencer in a marketing strategist, she's also an animated person.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can see how she can be annoying, but I think the problem is that she just hasn't settled in with the cameras, so it comes across like she's performing, [SPEAKER_00]: Um, on there, like I saw her cooking her husband or entertaining the women, it's actually doesn't know how to feel on camera, but I think a few more episodes she'll be more natural on there, but you can tell that she truly respects for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is a certain, um, [SPEAKER_00]: There's a respect in her tone when she talks about stormy respects everything that she's done. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't get a good vibe from Tiffany as much as Tiffany wants to say what is this based on? [SPEAKER_00]: What are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_00]: She's not wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: Like sometimes you can just tell and in the confessionals when they have their meet-up, Tiffany was saying like, oh for me, she talks a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: She talks a lot about herself. [SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: I liked the fact that for me addressed it immediately, she just called her as to the side and was talking to her and told her like, hey, this is how I feel, am I making this up?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think Tiffany convinced her that she was wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: But for me just respectfully was like, yeah, I'm just going to leave now and take myself out of this situation. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's for me. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: She wants a house, like a million dollar house with her husband and husband is like, we can't afford it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I mean. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if she's putting off at a camera. [SPEAKER_00]: If you can't afford a house in the millions, why are you trying to get a house in the millions in front of the camera and we have Kayla Kayla is an interesting one. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't get a read on her.

[SPEAKER_00]: She has a talent agency She got her daughter to be on Black Panther and the site thing with other people She's going through a divorce after being married young. [SPEAKER_00]: She's 35 But she is married after an 18 year marriage because she married her older boyfriend [SPEAKER_00]: When she was 17 and now she has those thing for children and she's trying to navigate like as a single mom, but she is dating another older man, even though she just announced her divorce to the point where they had a meet up and fool me was like, oh, you're married, you can come and she's like, oh, no, I'm going through a divorce and fool me is like, I had no idea, but you came with a man to the event and that's her new boyfriend who is 52.

[SPEAKER_00]: and shady and messy of the producer to ask for me like do you think that issues isn't play here and good on for me for being like um yeah um i'm not touching that but i don't think it's necessarily that issues but it's just like overall the lack of you know parental love she was put out early you know and she had to fend for herself so just always looking for that safe space she's probably just looking for it through these older men [SPEAKER_00]: Um, we have Sinetta who is she's not in the official cast, but she is touted as one of the main cast members, but I don't know, I've watched three episodes and she's probably spoken twice.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I have no thoughts on her, but I do like to show. [SPEAKER_00]: I do like how it's going so far. [SPEAKER_00]: So I will keep watching. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're looking for a show to watch, it is called again, bell collective Birmingham, and it is on. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the valley.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone keeps talking about the valley being too dark and [SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think it's dark. [SPEAKER_00]: This is not the first time. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the season three and everyone's saying that it's dark. [SPEAKER_00]: I've set this before. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it dark or is it representative of some people's reality?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is what happens. [SPEAKER_00]: You get older, adulting, people have kids, like with what Kristen and Lucca are facing. [SPEAKER_00]: It is a new area of their relationships that they've never navigated before. [SPEAKER_00]: It was all hunky-dury. [SPEAKER_00]: They have a kid now and you have to pivot.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if each other are willing to accept the different changes that come with having a new born because there's way too much emphasis on loop and Kristen not having sex well more complaining about loop and it's like he's not listening to Kristen saying that She just doesn't know what is happening right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't even know how to explain to herself What's happening talk to them explaining to him. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a change. [SPEAKER_00]: You just need to be patient with each other [SPEAKER_00]: I do believe Luke when he says, you know, I love you. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going anywhere, but Kristen's kind of traffic mine is just like you're just going to leave and you just want to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Zach makes a good point where Kristen in her past relationship is just used to lashing out. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not necessarily seeing it all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: We always hear third-party stories about it But apparently she's just lashing out and she's just being careless with her words and it's probably Fight a flight like I feel like I'm not my best self and he's gonna leave me so I'm at his will just give him a reason to leave me anyway So hopefully they go ahead with a couple's counseling and actually take into account [SPEAKER_00]: the lessons that they learn and apply it over there, but like I said, people are going through divorces, people are making bad choices when dating, bringing in Brandon.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just I feel like it's representative of people's reality as they get older and in friend groups when people drift apart. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that these people are, [SPEAKER_00]: kept together by its TV show, but that's why there are factions and there are people who like each other and people that don't like each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: People like Jasmine, who cannot say with her chest that she does not like Janet, but has to keep tipped on around it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like oh, we're cool, we're okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what the solution for the Janet thing is. [SPEAKER_00]: Janet is like, you know, Janet thinks like because she's liberal all as well and all is fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Janet is on an apology tour. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if she is genuine or just wants to be back in with the group I know everyone is saying like she's been iced out, but I don't But we've seen the true Janet like I don't think she's necessarily changed I do think that she thinks that she's right is she right about Danny?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, did she go about it in a weird way? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes because she took on the fight that was Jasmine and her wife's story For them to handle the way that she wants to [SPEAKER_00]: And Janet just wants to cut you. [SPEAKER_00]: Once you say something, she just wants to make sure that you are the bad guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess a lot of people don't fuck with that. [SPEAKER_00]: So they don't know how to handle that, especially since they're filming a show. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, how do you tiptoe if you feel like you're going to be next? [SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to happen. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the solution to that is. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Lala is on her side, but I don't know, I don't a lot of love to stay employed, so good for her for being employed to feed their children, but I don't necessarily know what she adds for her to be the peacemaker. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like jumping in halfway through the story.

[SPEAKER_00]: You weren't there from the beginning. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how she would be if someone came in and joined Vandepon Brouss and is telling you. [SPEAKER_00]: just make peace and let it go and be you would be annoyed too. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, Janet has an ally in Lala and Michelle, so maybe they just film to get, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need to stop talking because I don't know what the solution is with Janet, because when we see things on TV, there's a lot more that's happening off air that they probably can't talk about, and that's where we are. [SPEAKER_00]: on that. [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle is not a likable person.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that in a bad way. [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a lady goes a long way where people are willing to forgive like things of view because you're likable. [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle is just one of those people that it doesn't seem like she comes off likable. [SPEAKER_00]: Through no fault of hers is just like what she gives off.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that she's pulling her weight this season and she's clocking and she's giving her story. [SPEAKER_00]: She's giving us like her life. [SPEAKER_00]: in the meat of the story and I don't know if she's being appreciated because I think she was last on the couch at the reunion last time and her stories are now completely dependent on Jesse.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think she's like, you know, earning her paycheck this season. [SPEAKER_00]: I did chuckle when she said, you know, growing up gymnastics or child life, which her flips and tumbles very impressive, um, yeah, kudos to Michelle. [SPEAKER_00]: And she said, like, I didn't know much about pop culture because I was just [SPEAKER_00]: Gymnastics, and now she happens to be dating someone heavy in the pop culture, Dr. Drake, allegedly dating.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's through my mail that was going on with that. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize that Lindsey Jesse's girlfriend was like full-time full-time, like she has her own confessional, and that's another one that is so fascinating, because she reads Barbie and you expect her to be all ditzy and everything, but she's a straight shooter, and it was all great when, you know, she told Jesse, stop making Isabella perform, like she's not like, a clown in a circus, like a show monkey or something, so that was pretty cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: and she stands her ground, and she has her bunker, a little side-eye for that, like what's going on there. [SPEAKER_00]: But he just seems very fascinated by her. [SPEAKER_00]: And he just, I think he likes the fact that she busts his balls in that way. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's interesting to see.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brandon and Brittany, [SPEAKER_00]: He's just here for camera time. [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's trying to help. [SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to be part of the friend group and all that, but I think this is a good case of no die place Like don't chime in like just stay in the background and stop trying so hard to get camera time But it doesn't look like they're together now at this point, so yay for Brittany, but she needs to really need to work on her picker, so [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they've ever shown their lives completely.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am also fascinated as to why they joined the reality show. [SPEAKER_00]: But Danny seems like he likes attention a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: But now he is in deep with their fore and the fore. [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot going on there. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, maybe this is what people mean when they say dark.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, that's it for the valley. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just really high level on that level. [SPEAKER_00]: And I will end it with ladies of London. [SPEAKER_00]: Let us all and I think it started off really strong like the bid, but overall it is a solid show. [SPEAKER_00]: I do hope they get a second season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have a great cast. [SPEAKER_00]: in the timmargo timmarq feud i am team no one because they both play a part in this i would have said i was timmargo but then she took it to far when she called him a free and even if i don't think she met like you are a freak i do think she messed up when they met up [SPEAKER_00]: and she doubled down and was like, I wasn't saying you're a freak, but your actions are a freak and you are flirty and you're weird that was like, if you're apologizing apologize because she did touch on his trigger points, he explained why it was triggering and you know, [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I forget who mentioned it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's the only guy in the group. [SPEAKER_00]: He's the only guy in the group. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just not a good looks just isolated in that way. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to apologize, be apologetic, but she just wasn't having it. [SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, I just felt like Margot let it go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like you've made it a thing. [SPEAKER_00]: You've stretched it out for so long. [SPEAKER_00]: No one's really like biting. [SPEAKER_00]: Like even the people that were comforting you are now like, okay, where are we going to go? [SPEAKER_00]: This. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, [SPEAKER_00]: I think Martha hit the nail on the head and when she said it's British culture, we don't talk about anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can bring your Americanness here and think they're going to change anything. [SPEAKER_00]: So Marguer was just not willing to conform and go with the pretense and act like everything was okay and that's where you just went off the rails and it just wasn't happening. [SPEAKER_00]: but she absolutely wasn't wrong because on the other about all the other things about Mark because when she did her impressions of Mark, it was hilarious.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, he goes, oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he just wants all the attention. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that was funny. [SPEAKER_00]: Whenever she did that, I really love how Martha handed the conversation with Marko because, [SPEAKER_00]: Margot had that breakdown and felt like Martha betrayed her and suddenly it was blocking her and Margot was just very straight to the point even though I do understand what Margot was saying listen Everyone you know when we watch reality shows everyone wants to act like they're all perfect and they would handle things the best way But we all have our little things we don't we're not always right [SPEAKER_00]: Like, don't put me on the same plane field.

[SPEAKER_00]: If we have a deeper friendship, don't put me on the same level as your fun friendship. [SPEAKER_00]: That honestly, I understand her in that way. [SPEAKER_00]: But on the same time, what she doesn't understand is like, it's okay to have different kinds of friends because they fill up different areas of their lives.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Margot feels like, if I'm like your deep friend and their people that would not wipe your ass when you need it and stuff like don't put me on the same pedestal. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's part of adulting and realizing that life is not always black or white. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yes, Martha handle a conversation, held her ground because, you know, Marco is kind of being hypocritical.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's the one who told Martha at the, uh, the storage place and said, if you don't get your shit together, that cannot be a friend. [SPEAKER_00]: And she was a straight shooter to her. [SPEAKER_00]: So if Martha is telling her stuff and telling her, giving her advice, like, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: going to far, you were wrong when you did this when you were yelling across and you have to adjust to British culture.

[SPEAKER_00]: Margot has to be able to listen to that, but she just wasn't having it. [SPEAKER_00]: I will say though, when she walked out there at that the last scene, she looked fantastic walking out in her outfit. [SPEAKER_00]: And I know off camera now, she has spoken up about the fact that she was diagnosed with post on diagnosed postpartum, hormonal imbalances and that played a part in everything that she was going through.

[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully she and Martha are in a good place because they were good friends and them. [SPEAKER_00]: It was nice to see their friendship. [SPEAKER_00]: Michael was a pleasant surprise. [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought she was going to be the earnest one. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was just going to be like, Julie from the first season, but the group really accepted her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she made it through. [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, Emma might be the richest of the highest in the hierarchy, but she contributed nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: She's just Mark's friend and we didn't get much out of Emma. [SPEAKER_00]: Overall, it took a good cast. [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed them and I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it, guys. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's all the reality show Rumble that I have for this episode. [SPEAKER_00]: As always, let me know your thoughts. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know if you have any questions and if there's any show you'd like me to talk about. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know and I will be happy to talk about it.

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