Reality Show Ramble w/Zoe: RHOA, RHORI, Summer House and RHOBH

[SPEAKER_03]: Hi everyone, welcome to another episode on Altacol. [SPEAKER_03]: I am your host, Tane. [SPEAKER_03]: Here with another episode of Reality Show Rambul, usually I do this alone, but I have a guest today to discuss some of bravo shows this week. [SPEAKER_03]: My guest today is the first timer on Altacol, and usually she breaks down all your favorite shows and pub culture moment, and my guest is Zoe, not Zoe, from Bravo Breakdown with Zoe.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hi Zoe, how are you? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing well, how are you? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so happy to be here. [SPEAKER_03]: I am excited to have you here. [SPEAKER_03]: I see your takes and I'm curious to see where you stand because on reality TV, when we hear with this person, the next degree with another.

[SPEAKER_03]: And also guys, technology is trying to kick our asses today, but still we rise. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Nice. [SPEAKER_03]: Perfect here. [SPEAKER_03]: So just a brief background because you are first time on the pod. [SPEAKER_03]: Can you share with people how you'll love a fair [SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, I think I got to start with just reality TV in general, like I've been watching since real world, like in high school.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Then I started with Bravo with like the very first housewives, like, yeah, this is 20 years of housewives, like 20 years ago, like Orange County is where I started and then [SPEAKER_00]: It spurred off into all the other franchises and all the other shows and I've just been into it ever since and I guess I'm kind of showing my age, but We're all in it together because you're still here.

[SPEAKER_03]: What would you say? [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what is your favorite housewives franchise? [SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough one, I might be a little biased, but I do love real housewives of Miami, even though it's on pause right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, but Miami, I've always said that Miami was one of my favorites.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's fair. [SPEAKER_03]: And what is your favorite, none housewives, probably show? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, currently on or just like, just in general, there are rules all of them. [SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, I mean, I watch everything, that's a tough one. [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know, girl, like, can you listen to me? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's some house, this below deck, this ladies of London, this project runway, this top chef. [SPEAKER_03]: Guess can't pick a favorite? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I guess I will go with Southern charm. [SPEAKER_03]: Southern charm.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: That is very interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I still get into it. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the early years were the best. [SPEAKER_00]: But I still get into it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, cool. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I always say summer house or below dick.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think below dick is underrated. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_00]: So especially when I never really got into like the way I'm full with so many shows already, like, I don't know if I add more. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is just too much content. [SPEAKER_03]: That's out there. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, before we go into the shows, we are going to talk about real housewives of Atlanta, real housewives of Rhode Island, summer house, and Beverly Hills, just a little house keeping for you guys, patreon.com slash all to call MAFS, 90 day fans say before the 90 day tell all part two is out.

[SPEAKER_03]: We have completed it. [SPEAKER_03]: They had the good sense to make it just two parts and aid was over with me and we talked about that so you can check that out. [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Plathville. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back on the regular feed next week and also Brian and I are back with the latest love is blind, which is love is blind Poland and that will be up also next week on the regular feed okay back to Bravo, which is in honor of Zoe because she does Bravo break down.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we're doing all Bravo this week starting with real housewives of Atlanta. [SPEAKER_03]: Where are you with Atlanta and let me explain what my question is a friend of mine. [SPEAKER_03]: Message me I was like, I don't think I can do this anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't watch Atlanta anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm trying, but it's not working for me. [SPEAKER_03]: And I know people are divisive and like where Atlanta stands for you where you are on that. [SPEAKER_00]: Elena is good. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's right so far this season has been better than the last few years. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm into it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I love Angela's energy. [SPEAKER_00]: I was excited for Kay Michelle to come on even though I know that was very controversial. [SPEAKER_00]: Pinkies kind of growing on me. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the last episode she showed that she could be a shady queen just like the rest of them.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do too, because honestly, you know, when people ask what's your favorite franchise, I don't care if it's a peak of value, they have in a low moment, my answer is always Atlanta regardless, like they've given enough for me to carry them the next how many years. [SPEAKER_03]: I still enjoy it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm always thick beside Atlanta, but I will say this and this is what I told my friend. [SPEAKER_03]: The DNA of the show has changed. [SPEAKER_03]: I have to admit that. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not the same Atlanta that we used to have, but that could be said for a lot of the housewives show and I'm just going along with the change.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not opposed to the change. [SPEAKER_03]: Do some tweaks need to be made. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that goes for all the other shows. [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is, I think the problem is back in the day in which is what we're seeing with Rhode Island is [SPEAKER_03]: their friends, they have history, they know each other, but they don't cast that same way with housewives anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: And these housewives are learning each other at the same time that we are learning them too. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not the same as when Mimi and Kim had years of friendship and Shirei and there's already like a relationship. [SPEAKER_03]: There's no pre-existing relationships like [SPEAKER_00]: But that's life though, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like you mentioned, Nina and Kim, they were friends that not friends and friends and not friends. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's going to happen with any relationship, whether it's free existing or not. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I hate to see when people who are really, really good friends, such as Portia and Shimea actually, like, and the friendship, largely because of the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like for me, I can see it. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think it was just part of a life. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it is. [SPEAKER_03]: I think sometimes the fans are just used to the same thing that they've watched over and over again and they're just like, what is happening? [SPEAKER_03]: We don't want any change.

[SPEAKER_03]: But let's talk about this week's episode. [SPEAKER_03]: I think like you mentioned, the two newbies came Michelle and Pinky. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I like your point. [SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned in one of your videos that, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I don't have female friends type energy on that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I hadn't thought about it till you said that. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I'm not friends with girls. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, I think he did say I have masculine energy. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what that means. [SPEAKER_03]: I just people say things now. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, do you know what it means?

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's just me or we just say things. [SPEAKER_03]: But what does that mean? [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know, when I hear women say stuff like that, I feel like it's a way for them kind of protecting themselves because there probably had some issues with women in the past, maybe I don't know, maybe they were bullied or felt like out.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like them saying, oh, they identify more with men. [SPEAKER_00]: They have kind of like just, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a big guarded in a sense. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's interesting because I think Camichelle, she didn't actually say that, but I think you pointed out that in the first scene or the first episode she went to hang with the guys, which is interesting because if you know Camichelle's history, most of her anthems is like many in shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she's a vet, she knows reality TV, but you'll quickly remind it that housewives is a different beast. [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's reality TV and housewives are different beast because now we're in episode, we're a few episodes in and we're beginning to see [SPEAKER_03]: Should I call it the cracks and came a shell because her distrustfulness is not going to help because you can't come in guarded, you can't come in.

[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you guys fighting because I was on a shout out to Raven on bitches better. [SPEAKER_03]: I was on her podcast and we were talking about it and I was like when Porsche mentioned the whole miscarriage thing, I think she was producing. [SPEAKER_03]: I think she was moving a story along because it's just a muscle memory for these women.

[SPEAKER_03]: They just always are on with housewives and she was saying things and came and show this taking a back like, you were talking. [SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean you don't know? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's like, I know, but we're going to give them something. [SPEAKER_03]: That's my, you know, I don't know if it's fact, but that's something came and show is like, yeah, what are you guys doing?

[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you arguing? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, we just talked about it. [SPEAKER_03]: Why are you acting like you don't know because we're still on a show. [SPEAKER_03]: And she's not used to that at a very good point. [SPEAKER_03]: She has to adjust to that and that might be an issue, because the big thing was the whole, I don't have glam.

[SPEAKER_03]: What were your thoughts on that? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Great point, Guy. [SPEAKER_00]: I addressed that in my last video as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Where it didn't make sense to me because like, [SPEAKER_00]: You're still being filmed anyways. [SPEAKER_00]: Like we're seeing your face without glam.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then your is at the home. [SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And you still come up to the dinner. [SPEAKER_00]: So like, I don't know was that for a moment, a tension, yeah, that didn't make sense to me. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's where she needs to switch up.

[SPEAKER_03]: She needs to just fix up like you can't have those tantrums and then come on here because it's an ensemble show everybody because I think a lot of gay Michelle show with before, even loving hip-hop, it's been her. [SPEAKER_03]: She's been, you know, the lead talent in all of it. [SPEAKER_03]: And in loving hip-hop, even then I think with Hollywood and so she was like the biggest star, arguably kind of, so to her, it's like, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I think now it's like again, how much is it different beast so she just have to adjust and then I don't know figure out glam It's Dallas Texas.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going there. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but like you said we had glam too, but she said she specifically said she didn't want to use anyone else anyone else Anyone else yeah, it just seemed like she wanted it to be a problem But again, the you mentioned it the fact that she still came out to film what really was the point Shamia and [SPEAKER_03]: Her new best friend, what are your thoughts on that?

[SPEAKER_00]: They, I mean, remember last season, they had this whole alliance that was exposed. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're still right in that, you know, they lost Brittany along the way. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, now it's just a tool. [SPEAKER_00]: They have to ask somebody, like in housewives, you have to have someone in your corner.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so they found each other. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's good for them. [SPEAKER_00]: Are the fans taking too well to it? [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look like it, but you need to ask someone in your corner. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think the conversation is that it sounds harsh, but people are saying that Shime is a disappointment.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: See, I didn't want to say that, but. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what people are saying. [SPEAKER_03]: And I have to agree like it was great. [SPEAKER_03]: When she first came in, she has all the ingredients to be a housewife. [SPEAKER_03]: But then you remember why people were getting, why people would get paid to cast.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's why she was a friend of. [SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm on the, this has now made me think that [SPEAKER_03]: leave them as friends of when Marlo was promoted, you know, of a sudden it wasn't, you know, great. [SPEAKER_03]: Now everyone's saying, make Jennifer Tilly full-time like, no, she's great exactly as she is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Once you make it full-time, something switches the pressure to prove that you're worthy to be full-time makes you not so great anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what's happening, which Shimea, but I do feel like [SPEAKER_03]: on reality TV. [SPEAKER_03]: When you think you have to amp it up and, you know, all the confessionals is a one woman show.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like the confessional is kind of funny. [SPEAKER_00]: She makes me laugh. [SPEAKER_00]: It's good comedic release. [SPEAKER_03]: It was, but it just sometimes, it's not that it's over the top or anything. [SPEAKER_03]: It just seems forced. [SPEAKER_03]: It just feels like she is this really it and, but I will take hers over Kelly's.

[SPEAKER_03]: Kelly is this like a confessional thug and she's doing a lot and I'm just like, Kelly, please. [SPEAKER_03]: figure out. [SPEAKER_00]: And all in speaking of that, I'm sure they're going to address all the messiness she's been saying in her personal at the reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to look for again.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she still hasn't owned up to her being the one that said that. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: Was not begin. [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe she doesn't remember. [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I interviewed a producer and I don't think I realized that they don't play it back for them for professionals.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're basically reminding them like, hey, this happened and they have to jug their memory and then we call from there. [SPEAKER_03]: I just thought they watched it, they played it and then you have to talk about it. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, no, they're telling you, so how did you feel when blah, blah, blah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I give them grace in that maybe they don't remember because sometimes I don't even remember what I ate the day before. [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: But even if she doesn't remember, she still said it, and it was still, so she needs to, yeah, kind of build it for it regardless, so I know that's going to come up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Pinky, you talked about Pinky a little bit. [SPEAKER_03]: I've said this too. [SPEAKER_03]: With Raven is that I have not warmed up to Pinky. [SPEAKER_03]: I am hoping to warm up to Pinky. [SPEAKER_03]: She stepped up. [SPEAKER_03]: She was an adverse, a worthy adversary, and I think my reasoning for Pinkie is like Pinkie just needs to relax.

[SPEAKER_03]: Pinkie is coming with the weight of the world on her shoulders, and she feels like she has to represent, which is understandable. [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, if you're a back woman sometimes. [SPEAKER_03]: you feel like you have to be on your best behavior, you have to do everything right. [SPEAKER_03]: And I wish you would release herself that she's okay, just be yourself, you don't have to have the responsibility.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I know she's going through this at the same time as everything going on with her business. [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. [SPEAKER_03]: But the camera picks up on everything. [SPEAKER_03]: And she's not relaxed, and I can't relax with her because there's a lot going on with her. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it could probably also have something to do with she's in a cast full of [SPEAKER_00]: other black women with very strong personalities, you know, so it's like you've got to get him where you fit in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And our season, we always see people, you know, kind of struggle to navigate where they fit in in that space. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I get where some race. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she is although she's doing, she's doing the thing that I don't like when they come in and they pick a vet and they just focus on them and just keep picking on them.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think she's chosen [SPEAKER_03]: that she's just going at all the time, and I think Angela should get that up there. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like, it doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_03]: They take a deep breath, they're like, why are you breathing like, I'm like, you know, it's like, I hate when people, who's that newbie that did that to Candy?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she was just on her. [SPEAKER_03]: She was a one-season person, but she kept going on on Candy. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember her name. [SPEAKER_03]: She was a one-seasoner that season, or something, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so that's my thing with Pinky, [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into that fight at the dinner when they were there.

[SPEAKER_03]: She really was trying hard to make a thing about the whole Shamia, the room being dirty, and it's like, I spoke to them. [SPEAKER_03]: They see fine. [SPEAKER_03]: You see matter. [SPEAKER_03]: And then they are like, what's going on? [SPEAKER_03]: Which to be fair, right? [SPEAKER_03]: This is why people are [SPEAKER_03]: You're really annoyed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Are you showing one thing to Pinky and then to Cynthia, you're acting like, oh, is that a big deal? [SPEAKER_03]: I just want the room to be clean, but you're really, really mad that they put y'all together because there were different pairs of best friends and you feel like they picked you as a payback.

[SPEAKER_03]: The problem is that it's Cynthia. [SPEAKER_03]: Cynthia is not that kind of person. [SPEAKER_03]: If Porsche did it, then maybe that would be a thing, but [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that Pinkie came in and like you said she wanted to say she was fitting in in some way and she tried to create a fight for that to happen.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to read some of the insults. [SPEAKER_03]: Just there, I'm not reading all of it, but I'm just, you know, picky starts with, I'm a bad bitch, Angela says bad bitch that doesn't pay the bills, and picky says you can never touch the money that I have made in my lifetime. [SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_03]: My husband is paid, and Angela goes, oh, you do. [SPEAKER_03]: and then pick you says, how much do you owe your foreclosures and then Angela goes, you owe everybody from the people across the street. [SPEAKER_03]: Pick you switches up and it's like, you need a new lace front. [SPEAKER_03]: Angela says, hey, Mr. Clean, don't do it, Papa Smurf.

[SPEAKER_03]: Ficky goes, I owe you new veneers with that overbite. [SPEAKER_03]: Angela goes, not the way your teeth come wrinkled. [SPEAKER_03]: The incestors teeth that you got, don't do that. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't do that. [SPEAKER_03]: All the wild Jew is serving face while making faces. [SPEAKER_03]: She looks so good at that dinner.

[SPEAKER_03]: And [SPEAKER_03]: applause applause for them. [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, it was so ridiculous. [SPEAKER_03]: I think Angela won the fight. [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a winner in the fight? [SPEAKER_00]: I said it was 50-50. [SPEAKER_00]: They were both. [SPEAKER_00]: No way. [SPEAKER_00]: To me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like you're fine. [SPEAKER_03]: I think. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, the edge that Pinky had was Pinky was giving the serves and Angela was just serving back regardless of where she was turning to because Pinky was all over the place like don't sweat you got bills You have foreclosure is fix your lace front and she was just like I got you each time and who does the Angela like I don't think I could think that quick Incessuous teams like what does that even mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that means, but it's not sounds funny like [SPEAKER_03]: There are all siblings in the mouth and they're all on top of each other doing things and they're co-mingling. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the choice of co-mingle and incestors for teeth. [SPEAKER_03]: Amazing. [SPEAKER_03]: Amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: And could also the rest of the women because again, they're vex now for allowing that to happen. [SPEAKER_03]: There was no okay guys. [SPEAKER_03]: You stop now. [SPEAKER_03]: We're all grown. [SPEAKER_00]: They're just like physical. [SPEAKER_00]: So they didn't need that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So they were like letter rip. [SPEAKER_03]: So. [SPEAKER_03]: We can argue that that was the highlight, you know, of the episode. [SPEAKER_03]: And now they've raised the bar because now we're expecting that to happen. [SPEAKER_03]: But it was a good episode. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that it was also a good episode to let people know that this is the Atlanta that we have now and we're going to be all right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Excuse me. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what separates Atlanta from the rest of the franchises. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, these people, when, you know, that's what annoys me when I watch like Salt Lake and they're like, Oh, this is a barlo with this shade or NG with this shade, I'm like guys, this is not shade, this is just a response, okay?

[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, any last thoughts and your thoughts in Atlanta for this week? [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, okay, I think we covered it all, all right, all right, I'll take a break and I'll be right back. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to the newest of the franchise, Rhode Island. [SPEAKER_03]: Where are you with Rhode Island?

[SPEAKER_03]: How are you feeling? [SPEAKER_00]: I like it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm into it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's refreshing to see a new group of women, new stories, new city, I'm all for Rhode Island. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Same here. [SPEAKER_03]: I like Rhode Island. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the only thing is like I don't everyone's like this is crazy.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is great. [SPEAKER_03]: This is that and I'm like I like it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not like head over heels, but I'm entertained and I welcome a breath of fresh air because [SPEAKER_03]: I have famously said that all the housewives are stale. [SPEAKER_03]: I still like them, but they're stale.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just when you have new people to get to know, that's nice. [SPEAKER_03]: That's like nice to see. [SPEAKER_03]: And it looks like they went back to the formula that worked for housewives all these years, which is casting people who are actually friends, casting people who actually have history.

[SPEAKER_03]: They have no choice. [SPEAKER_03]: Rhode Island is so small, like what are they going to do? [SPEAKER_03]: So we're enjoying the benefits of that. [SPEAKER_03]: that Kelsey broke up with her nameless faceless boyfriend before filming started. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you hear that? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did, I did not hear that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what is breaking up with someone if they're still like bunting you fully? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, a friend should benefit. [SPEAKER_00]: What's the difference? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they weren't in the same home anyways. [SPEAKER_00]: So, is it really, was it really a breakup? [SPEAKER_03]: I, yeah, that's true.

[SPEAKER_03]: I heard that they broke up before filming, but during casting, she got cast because she had this interesting storyline of having a sugar daddy that she says it's not a sugar daddy and she didn't want to, you know, stop that. [SPEAKER_03]: So she just went along with it and, you know, who knows what's true or not.

[SPEAKER_03]: The internet has a lot of stories that are folding out there. [SPEAKER_03]: So this week we had them going to the port new port which is like a big deal when you go there and Liz was hosting and with Alicia Alicia was a sleeper and she came up from nowhere and became funny unintentionally.

[SPEAKER_03]: you in danger girl, which is sister. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's going on with that, but do you think she is safe with her sister, alone in the house, with her husband? [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have thought any thing of it before, but I might be going off on a tangent here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I just recently watched the Michael Jackson movie and then like so much, everyone's talking about it, everyone's talking about his family, the brothers. [SPEAKER_00]: took the other brothers. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Women. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: And that brother might get to that woman.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're in her. [SPEAKER_00]: And so you know what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_00]: Anything can happen. [SPEAKER_00]: So if it happens to their family, it can happen to anyone else, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it could. [SPEAKER_03]: And we don't even have to go that far. [SPEAKER_03]: When we see the things that happen in Bravo now, I was just like, Joelle and better hope she's not the next scandal or Westling Amanda situation because it seems like people don't have boundaries.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I will say though that I don't feel like, I think what I said was I don't think that her sister would do anything. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a case of maybe like God forbid, like say Joel and passes away. [SPEAKER_00]: It won't be shocking if next thing, he's she's the new wife of her husband because she always has bad as if that's not as bad but I think it's still weird.

[SPEAKER_03]: in the dating high school. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, were you waiting in the wings the whole time for this to happen? [SPEAKER_03]: So it'll be very strange. [SPEAKER_03]: But she did share a touching story. [SPEAKER_03]: We're a sister. [SPEAKER_03]: Like she had like a tough childhood with their mom.

[SPEAKER_03]: She feels like her mom, you know, didn't love her and they sent her to, I don't know, the school for, I guess, bad kids and things. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just wondering how these people get family to basically do therapy on camera with them. [SPEAKER_03]: I know, [SPEAKER_03]: I can't get any family member to do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my end. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like the, from what I understand and I've heard other housewives say is that they formed these really close relationships with like, whoever produced the research. [SPEAKER_00]: Mind to them. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think like they formed like these friendships and it close enough where they feel comfortable, you know, just saying whatever they need to be said or doing whatever needs to be done.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, show. [SPEAKER_03]: But how mom, I think, when we saw the coming up in the future episodes, her mom is going to come on and guess they're going to have that conversation. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think in terms of her mom, who's not a regular cast member, who's not used to being on camera, she has to agree to be on there to listen to things that probably going to be tough and criticizing her.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, what, how do you convince them to come on there? [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure there's some conversations before that. [SPEAKER_03]: to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then they don't it again. [SPEAKER_03]: And then go through the emotions all over again. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: For newbies, I am very proud of them and how they pick the rooms. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think we had a room fight, which is very strange for housewives. [SPEAKER_03]: Like we still have people's self-hattie. [SPEAKER_03]: Still fighting about rooms. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, where do you stand on the whole rosy versus [SPEAKER_00]: And Rosie said, Rosie, okay, um, towards the end of the episode and it's seen she kind of like, I don't know if she said it explicitly but kind of like infert that she might have been like a little jealous of her, you know, she has the husband.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know that Kelsey says she wants a husband and looks like she's trying to pick up her career again. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that could also be why she was maybe a little upset about not tagging her for doing the hair. [SPEAKER_00]: What's a hair, make up the hair, because as she's trying to cut the cord from her sugar daddy, she's trying to establish herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, she has a lot going on, but I do think there's something there, maybe there's some animosity towards Rosie because Rosie hasn't done anything to her from what we see really. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so my take on this is My co-host aide a long time ago said sometimes when we have fights and we don't understand what's happening.

[SPEAKER_03]: 80% of the time, it is people fighting about things off camera that they cannot see on the other. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where my head went to is like, okay, are we going to find out by thing is, these women are so open. [SPEAKER_03]: They tell us everything. [SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that we don't, if it is something that we don't know, it's very strange to me because already the one thing about Rhode Island, everything is on the table.

[SPEAKER_03]: All these women came with complicated romantic relationships, [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to show everyone and the men are on board. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm curious to find out what that is. [SPEAKER_00]: But at first, I was like, the hair thing that was off camera. [SPEAKER_00]: That was brought on.

[SPEAKER_00]: That didn't happen. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but he feels like it should be something more. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it should be deeper because when the hair thing, I'm like, okay, well, I see why you didn't post it, especially if you post everyone else. [SPEAKER_03]: But my argument was that Kelsey wasn't doing that for a living.

[SPEAKER_03]: So at the time, I mean, she's being funded. [SPEAKER_03]: So it was like, oh, you did me a favor, but if Rosie is posting everybody, why are you just not posting her? [SPEAKER_03]: So I can kind of see why. [SPEAKER_03]: But I just think that Kelsey has it, if it's not something of camera, I think Kelsey has not for given Rosie for bringing up the whole boyfriend thing and the wrong use of polyamory to her married.

[SPEAKER_03]: But just saying that, [SPEAKER_03]: She's practicing polyamory. [SPEAKER_03]: Something about it rubbed her the wrong way, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: And she's still holding onto it. [SPEAKER_03]: The same way, Kyle is holding on to de-re exposing her text. [SPEAKER_03]: And years later, we're still fighting about kissing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then how can she get over her little run-in with Liz so fast? [SPEAKER_00]: Remember, at the party, she got over that so quick. [SPEAKER_00]: And they were like friends like the next day when they were screaming at each other. [SPEAKER_03]: There are certain people who people don't want to be on their [SPEAKER_03]: She seems to be a top of the totem pole and it's like I'm not gonna fight with Liz and you they said that they're kind of scared of Liz Then they don't know what she's gonna do and Liz seems to know where everybody's bodies are buried [SPEAKER_03]: Remember Alicia, try to say, I was homeless.

[SPEAKER_03]: Liz was like, no, you were not. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to let you say you were homeless. [SPEAKER_03]: You have too much family to say. [SPEAKER_03]: And they would never let you be homeless. [SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, knowing what we kind of know about Alicia, who is kind of like a poisha.

[SPEAKER_03]: In her mind, I truly believe she thought she was homeless. [SPEAKER_03]: As long as she didn't have the home that she had, it technically in her mind, she thinks she's homeless, but it's the wrong usage. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like my home was my mom, my dad, and my little Corvette bed. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't have that anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, my grandparents house. [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't have that home or go, I'm homeless and this is like, that's not what homeless means, but I think in our mind, she thinks she was truly homeless, but the woman is someone who was searching for diamonds. [SPEAKER_03]: In the park, basically.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he, you know, what are you going to do? [SPEAKER_03]: Um, what do you think about the women going around talking about their masks and, you know, the things that they carried? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I thought it was interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone opened up except for Ashley. [SPEAKER_00]: She said she basically didn't have anything So bring to the table, which is true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for her. [SPEAKER_03]: She's [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's experienced hard eight because it was hard to get to Jared, but I mean, they ended up together, I guess. [SPEAKER_03]: I think what was off was just crying about the fact that you had nothing to cry about, like it just... [SPEAKER_03]: didn't feel like a crime moment.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yeah, you can express that. [SPEAKER_03]: And you can spin it. [SPEAKER_03]: You can be like, guys, I know how privileged I am. [SPEAKER_03]: I feel truly blessed that I haven't experienced anything. [SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe her choice of words. [SPEAKER_03]: I think she was referring to death, saying like, I haven't lost anyone close to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then if that happens to me, I'm gonna be so sad, then it will make sense. [SPEAKER_03]: But saying, when I went on the bachelor, I was scared because I have no story to tell. [SPEAKER_03]: And then you're crying about that. [SPEAKER_03]: The bachelor was like, how many years ago? [SPEAKER_03]: That was some privilege.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm looking forward to everything that's coming up, especially with Rula. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if Rula is going to come back. [SPEAKER_03]: She was in the first episode, and I don't think we saw her at all in the last episode, but I don't know if it's because she's carrying the season so far with her cheating husband, Brian.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is she full time or a friend? [SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, the first time I covered this, I asked like, who besides Dolores, who is a friend of and who is full time. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, Dolores. [SPEAKER_03]: Why is she here? [SPEAKER_03]: We don't need everyone keep saying they brought her to usher in, but I'm like, we've had shows debut without friends of.

[SPEAKER_03]: So why did we need one here. [SPEAKER_00]: So necessary. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they should have trusted the women that they cast. [SPEAKER_03]: Like they were good. [SPEAKER_03]: So who would you say is your favorite Rhode Island housewife? [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'll go with Liz. [SPEAKER_03]: Liz, okay, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's fun. [SPEAKER_03]: Mine is Joellon. [SPEAKER_03]: She will not let the bone go about Rula, which she needs to Rula absolutely knows her as when it's cheating. [SPEAKER_03]: She does not want to leave him so let her be. [SPEAKER_03]: Even though things are going around [SPEAKER_03]: he gave his mistress minority stake or a sheep in the company is wild.

[SPEAKER_00]: I heard that, and then also, Joel Ellen's supposed to be really good friends with the mistress. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that kind of says something about you, too. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know, I wouldn't be friends with someone living that kind of lifestyle.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want more details. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know, who's just open about being a mistress and just like, hey, I'm a mistress, guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Someone Instagram, like, why is that something you're proud of? [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's good friends or Joellen is keeping her close for story.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing with housewives is like, again, I feel like they're always on. [SPEAKER_03]: they're always on and you never know what is happening. [SPEAKER_03]: So she said they go to school together, they have that because she's really like in real time to know that he's on his way to see the mistress who's giving you who's your TMZ.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if it's like well we're about to film this show. [SPEAKER_03]: I can get stuff from you and I can be in the mix or are they like buddy buddies. [SPEAKER_03]: They have Friday, one night, they go out on trips. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: So but I do believe Andy was that in the reunion.

[SPEAKER_03]: up to date real time of date on the mistress, but also I heard that's the reason why Brian and Rula left also because the mistress was on her way. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the polo thing and I'm like, this is so messy. [SPEAKER_03]: What are you guys doing? [SPEAKER_03]: If you're going to stay, Brian just, I don't know, get an arrangement, all three of you, and leave us out of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I guess this is the thing. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, do whatever you want in your marriage, but don't bring everyone and Rula don't act like you're [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's take a break and we'll be back to talk about summer house and we're back. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I almost don't want to talk about a man, Danny, more just because.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that Amanda, like, yeah, Beverly Hills reunion today, so I'm like, yeah, summer house, summer house, just to hold a man there with because [SPEAKER_03]: They ruined the viewing experience in that everything is through the lens of West and Amanda and it's like, it's hard not to even if you wasn't all the day do this because today do that because and it's like I just [SPEAKER_03]: his relationship with Dara.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think Mia's story is so relatable for me, her journey with grief, Carl looking like he's coming into his own, whatever the heck is going on with Bailey and it's like, you know, even Ben. [SPEAKER_03]: So let me ask you since I don't know where do you stand on Ben? [SPEAKER_03]: Because a lot of people are divisive on Ben and how he is, but what are your thoughts on Ben?

[SPEAKER_00]: I like him, I don't say an issue with them. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like him. [SPEAKER_00]: I like him. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a reason, too. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think he's not a typical guy that we've seen on some house. [SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: I do think he lied about his relationship with Sabrina.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were dating. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why he thought he had to lie. [SPEAKER_03]: He was doing what guys do. [SPEAKER_03]: I think where they leave the door open in case. [SPEAKER_03]: which is how Kyle and Amanda got into this mess because that's what happened. [SPEAKER_03]: He was dating Amanda and then he was coming on some of my house and then he's like, oh, I don't want to be tied down, but then they didn't separate and then 10 years later here.

[SPEAKER_03]: We are. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think then actually like Sabrina, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see how that goes with them. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: What is your in a summary? [SPEAKER_03]: What are you thoughts on the whole? [SPEAKER_03]: Kyle and Amanda even though I don't want to add any more fuel to their fire, but what are your thoughts on the whole thing?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, do you think that at this time where we're watching, they have started hooking up? [SPEAKER_00]: I think something was growing at this time we're watching. [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be something. [SPEAKER_00]: Both of them sell touchy, feeling him, feeling he needs to step up and protect her all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's a [SPEAKER_00]: damsel industry. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's giving more than friendship to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But I get like you said we're also at a point where we already know what has happened. [SPEAKER_00]: So it could be that we're just like over critical of everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know my gut just tells me like things have been brewing for some time. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not the timeline that they've said, which is like this whole [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's fair. [SPEAKER_03]: And because the other side of it is summer house, they don't have boundaries.

[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine if we didn't know, we know nothing happened between them or, and it was last season, was it last season, yeah, with Jesse and Sierra. [SPEAKER_03]: They weren't so touchy-feely, too, with the whole Lexi thing and all that. [SPEAKER_03]: And nothing happened between them and see how touchy-feely, um, they were.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just in general, in, I think there was still [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was just innocent. [SPEAKER_00]: Then just innocently. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_00]: And Weste even brought it up. [SPEAKER_00]: He brought it up earlier this season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you heard him. [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, well, he says something along the lines of like, how do you think I felt when she was touching all over Jessie, whatever? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I don't think they're doing that. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I just always thought they have no boundaries because it was two episodes ago that I noticed that West is very touchy not just with Amanda because I think even with Bailey at some point he was like pulling her hair and he was standing with somebody else and he was touching their neck and just in general in the house.

[SPEAKER_03]: They just I don't know they don't have any boundaries. [SPEAKER_03]: So my theory was that [SPEAKER_03]: I think the, I think Amanda had a crush because West is, West is a laborer. [SPEAKER_03]: West is just grateful for all the attention right now. [SPEAKER_03]: He's still stuck in like the fame and he wants to utilize it and playing catch up from everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I, I think Amanda, [SPEAKER_03]: has feelings because they're hanging out together. [SPEAKER_03]: Kyle is and said, like, she hung out with Westmore than me. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I mean by they don't have any boundaries. [SPEAKER_03]: With as much as they hung out and Kyle is just like, it's normal.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just kind of crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean normal for my relationship. [SPEAKER_03]: I know. [SPEAKER_03]: But even nobody else in the house even like because apparently I don't follow any of them They post stuff on IG and they're always hanging out and no one is like, hey, you're hanging out too much instead They're like, oh, they got coffee.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they had brunch and it's regular to them. [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm Not I have so weird. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that she had caught feelings [SPEAKER_03]: I think that, oh, what was it I said? [SPEAKER_03]: I said I think like, you know, maybe a night thing hung out or whatever, they kissed and they were like, okay, we can't do this anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we know we're attracted to each other, but we're not gonna do anything. [SPEAKER_03]: And my co-host was like, no. [SPEAKER_03]: Western Amanda and not the kind of people who just kissed and say, oh no, it's wrong. [SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna go all the way. [SPEAKER_03]: And he thinks that something has happened.

[SPEAKER_03]: You think so too? [SPEAKER_00]: I can say that. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: We see how bad the relationship has gotten with Collin and Amanda, like, why not just end it. [SPEAKER_00]: Why not end it before the summer? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, why does this have to drag out to the point where like it literally seems like she hates him with the way she's acting.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, yeah, it doesn't even have to get to that point. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it doesn't. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: And I know that everyone, okay, not everyone. [SPEAKER_03]: It is true. [SPEAKER_03]: Kyle is a shitty husband. [SPEAKER_03]: In that regard, like listen, I do like Kyle, but he's a shitty husband to Amanda.

[SPEAKER_03]: There were never compatible. [SPEAKER_03]: They never should have been together. [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think that some things he says are valid. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that again, with the incompatibility, he has a work ethic that she does not possess. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's when, you know, he doesn't know how to regulate.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the same thing we're gonna talk about to read is like, you could have points. [SPEAKER_03]: When you don't know how to express it, the focus is gonna be on your shitty delivery of it. [SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason where you should call your wife a bitch. [SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason where you should be.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I know, he said, okay, let's get to it. [SPEAKER_03]: The lost unfound conversation. [SPEAKER_03]: Amanda was goding him. [SPEAKER_03]: Amanda was, you know, trying to get everybody else to do that. [SPEAKER_03]: That's smirk on her face was kind of scary. [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like, oh, everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like, I love when a plan is coming together. [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone is saying that and you're doing all that. [SPEAKER_03]: And I know Kyle was just like, because Kyle was happening. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Kyle was like, I know what you're doing and screw you for doing that to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: If he could regulate, he could have gotten over it, but once you do that, you don't talk to someone like that, like just walk away, but Kyle has never been able to regularly. [SPEAKER_03]: He's 43, and he still cannot regulate. [SPEAKER_03]: So point, just buttons. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and to your point, if they had just separated a long time ago, we would not be here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now we're at the point of time. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: And everybody interjecting, I have a personal rule. [SPEAKER_03]: No matter how terrible, unless your life is in danger and it's like physical abuse and stuff, I just never tell people or my friends to leave. [SPEAKER_03]: You have to come to that decision yourself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a true whole thing. [SPEAKER_03]: I had just, yeah, just personally, like I can say, hey, I can lead you to water your thoughts, what are you, but to outright tell someone, where are you got to leave? [SPEAKER_03]: The only time I've ever said that was like dire situations like, okay, you gotta go and you gotta leave.

[SPEAKER_03]: And for everybody, see, I just cornered and cut it. [SPEAKER_03]: I know that their friends, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And again, it was separate on the beach. [SPEAKER_03]: But for Kyle, who thinks that there's hope because they went to couples canceling and Amanda did not mention, hey, I think you might be a good idea for us to separate.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm hearing you for the first time from someone else. [SPEAKER_03]: and then that's one. [SPEAKER_03]: Then you're at dinner with everybody else and then Lindsay brings it up again and it's like oh your marriage is this and he's just like wait what does everybody know more than me at this point so in that regard oh god I know people are gonna be mad but in that regard I do think that you know I understand his blow up but if he had [SPEAKER_03]: Regulated himself, he had learned how to do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is a skill that you need to have as an adult. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good point. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, as an adult. [SPEAKER_03]: And you yourself don't wait. [SPEAKER_03]: If you're miserable too, that I think no one wants to pull the trigger. [SPEAKER_03]: No one wants to be the one that says, I'm the one who broke up our marriage.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're both suffering for it. [SPEAKER_03]: And we're all suffering for it, you know, for it. [SPEAKER_03]: The show is so great. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's crazy. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know how much editing is being done now by the editors and producers to kind of paint Amanda in a certain light because you know that conversation with Mia would we ever have seen it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know was it originally included, but it was just weird to watch her say all that I know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like in the same thing. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, me, I came over to video just saying like her spidey senses were tingling when she was saying that, so I'm curious to know what conversation I felt like I felt like even like it means was like Me as reactions to what Amanda was saying was kind of like [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to say it was like yeah, that's a lot.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: This shit. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that for so you're a kill for her. [SPEAKER_00]: She says something like that, like, um, girl. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, down. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, I'm down. [SPEAKER_03]: Doing too much now. [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, so we'll see what happens at the reunion on that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But all we know is for sure is that Amanda was a checked out lady to not even respond to your husband. [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I've landed. [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I've landed on that, but then West says something. [SPEAKER_03]: And like, best day ever, not yet. [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's talk about the other things that are happening there.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Jesse had a good episode. [SPEAKER_03]: I am not just famously not a Jesse Solomon fan. [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I don't know, he annoys me. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even need a valid reason. [SPEAKER_03]: He just annoys me. [SPEAKER_03]: But he did good this week. [SPEAKER_03]: It was very nice of them to include that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just also weird to see him be serious. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and he was being vulnerable in saying he's lonely, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't act like someone who wants a girlfriend. [SPEAKER_00]: Really? [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he's always been he. [SPEAKER_00]: He's always shown that.

[SPEAKER_03]: He did not handle Lexi well. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't think he acted like he can do her well, but he liked the fact he liked the idea of being in a relationship. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he likes the idea, but he's not, I mean, to those who's point of what he said, I should spend more time working on myself to be ready for a relationship, because whatever happened in that room, it wasn't a toe that was sucked.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I, you know, so he, I don't know if he's cheating, where they exclusive, I can't remember, it was so fast that relationship. [SPEAKER_00]: So the relationships in summer house seemed to be so fast, but I get it, it's just the summer, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So all of them, I like, [SPEAKER_03]: What I want for Sierra in the future is anybody call you their best friend.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just tell them we're friends. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't say best friend. [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever's happening with things Sabrina right now. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad they're friends, but don't say best friends like because now we're just throwing it out willingly and clearly like Amanda said what was it and one of the leaks.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you listen to the leak. [SPEAKER_03]: that, um, we're not from third grade. [SPEAKER_03]: So we're not really friends. [SPEAKER_00]: So oh, yeah, I didn't have that part. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I didn't have something to that regard. [SPEAKER_03]: I stopped listening after the first leak.

[SPEAKER_00]: I stopped listening to all the others on all these shows that I feel like they kind of do throw that word out. [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you just let this person. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Like what was what show was I've [SPEAKER_00]: Sally and Charlie had been friends for years the way they were acting and they had like literally just known each other from months before the show so I'm like Girls like This whole oh, that's my best friend like she tells me everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, okay, you're just getting to know the person I mean Venita is very guilty of that she did that with a Maxine one season jp the next season jt the next season and then it was Sally [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know who our best friend is going to be next season, but she's like, all these girls do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you're just getting to know these people. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's okay to just say, like, you're in a heightened or with family with each other. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, Lindsay and Sharon, the, is it contentious? [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we hear that is contentious, but we don't.

[SPEAKER_03]: see it that meetup at Soft Bar was a lot of tension that was there. [SPEAKER_03]: I understand both sides. [SPEAKER_03]: I hate to be a both-sized person but I do because it's her son, you know, Sharon is going to protect her son. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Lindsey is kind of mean.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just, no matter how much she loved Lindsey, if anyone says that she's not, that's a lie. [SPEAKER_03]: No, she is. [SPEAKER_03]: Fact. [SPEAKER_00]: and I think she's, she's aware that she's me. [SPEAKER_00]: So I just think it hurt more because of who it was coming from, you know, and then the whole thing that happened, you know, with the break-up.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she had said in the last episode that I guess that she kind of looked up to her like a mother figure, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, we don't talk enough about mummy issues, daddy issues gets all the publicity, but there's a lot of mummy issues and I think that translated here, like here's another woman, yeah, who has failed me here.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you brought up a point that I was gonna bring up was like, I was gonna ask, can Lindsay say anything without in certain caro? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's just at this point, it's a drinking game. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, anything she wants to say, she is certain. [SPEAKER_00]: My ex-amps say, okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, is she not over him or is she not over him breaking up with her own national television? [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just going to take her finding someone else, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Because if she's with someone else and in a happy relationship, I doubt she's going to continue to have these freedom parties, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because why need to keep in track? [SPEAKER_00]: Like clear out space, so someone else could come in your life, get rid of all that old stuff and old feelings about Carl and just move on. [SPEAKER_00]: But you can't move on unless you get, you know, get rid of all the past stuff and hurt.

[SPEAKER_03]: But first and foremost, to Lindsay, she's a reality star. [SPEAKER_03]: So she will have those freedom parties because she's already not full time in the house and that's something for her to keep going. [SPEAKER_03]: So, and she wasn't PR, that combination is lethal. [SPEAKER_03]: So she's going to keep doing that, but you know, I don't know if you saw the pictures of them at the reality, some reality TV awards last night.

[SPEAKER_03]: She really looks so good. [SPEAKER_03]: But she and Carl, they were dancing together, they took pictures together. [SPEAKER_03]: I think if anything, I don't think she's romantically in love with him anymore, but they did have a good friendship. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think maybe that's what's missing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Lindsay has no problem finding men. [SPEAKER_03]: The problem is making it last that I don't know, but also, if that's what she wants, I know what she really wanted was a baby, which she already has now. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just like, did maybe you just wanna live your life and live it to the best and maybe you don't wanna be tied down like not everybody's meant to be monogamous because one thing about Lindsay, she will cut you off quick.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's not going to put up with mess. [SPEAKER_03]: She has her own standards. [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe that's going to be her new, I don't know, life plan. [SPEAKER_03]: But she just hasn't realized it yet. [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm going to be free. [SPEAKER_03]: I already have the baby. [SPEAKER_00]: I can see that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can see that. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm wondering if, I think I talked about this in a video when she was talking to Mia. [SPEAKER_00]: Mia, you know, they were having that conversation like out of having like much and yeah, and Mia was kind of bringing up her timeline and then Lindsay, I open up like timeline, yeah, you want Mia wants to have kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: but obviously, you know, everyone wants to have kids in the more traditional sense where you have the hustle that you can marry, but I'm wondering if that might kind of be her situation one day too, where it's just like, you know what? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with just having a kid.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And me? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I might not work out with the guy I'm with right now, like, yeah, I got my baby. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: because that psychic told her or the, yes, and the, what do you call medium medium? [SPEAKER_00]: Medium told her that her um, she would have a daughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Voter. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it seemed like to me in that conversation like Lindsay was kind of seeing her self there, but that's how I took it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like timeline shmine line life is what happens while you're making plans like you can do Yeah, but for me personally, I mean, I hope by the reunion She's broken up with her boyfriend like that guy's not for her.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know them, but they're not aligned He's not like all the chefs that have made their way through. [SPEAKER_03]: It did not last and if he has to travel so much That's not what me is looking for so it's not gonna happen and it's like a good guy though. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't think he's To me he seems like a good guy, but it's just like [SPEAKER_00]: for his career, it's not gonna work for her.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't want another. [SPEAKER_03]: misalignment because again, that's how we got here with Kyle and Amanda. [SPEAKER_03]: That will happen with Carl and Lindsey. [SPEAKER_03]: They're just they're great individually, I guess, but they're not good together. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the same thing with me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're not aligned from jump. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't compromise. [SPEAKER_03]: You know what you want. [SPEAKER_03]: You can't be with a traveling person. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I want to be a single mother technically because he'll be traveling. [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you know, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, for that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and a lot of people need to start like being honest in having those conversations very early and being able to cut people off very early with if it doesn't like because there's there's chemistry and compatibility and you have to have the compatibility it has to work you have to be yeah well when it comes to those major like decisions like jibbon career finances yeah got to be aligned with the major values core values.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, by the way, Carl has the right take on West, um, he was being interviewed on the red carpet and, you know, West apparently sending out texts like he's giving out a lot of retickets and he said that West has reached out to me, but I am not ready to respond. [SPEAKER_03]: Part of me worries that I don't think that he fully understands still the impact of some of what he has done and I'm like snap snaps for Carl.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm so proud of Carl. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know this man, but it's just I watched I went back to watch like season one. [SPEAKER_03]: If you try to explain to people what Carl was back then, I don't think. [SPEAKER_03]: They would believe you. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's just like, he's night and day.

[SPEAKER_03]: At some point, I actually did worry. [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, Carl is like a shell of himself. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I know he got sober and I think I always see this. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think the people in the house appreciate his journey to being sober. [SPEAKER_03]: They don't understand how hard it is to just come and see everyone party and just maintain that, you know, year after year.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, maybe he just got older and he just got wiser and he's a good guy. [SPEAKER_00]: Taking consideration the passing of his brother. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Because when you lose them a close to you, that has a way of telling you and you get life totally different. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like in the bigger team of things. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: All these is petty. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he says that all the time, I'd rather save my life in that regard. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm happy for him that soft bar came to fruition. [SPEAKER_03]: I hope he lasts so expensive today in real estate on the work.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know, I hope everything lasts. [SPEAKER_03]: I mentioned that KJ, great addition. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just he was really nice, you know, when he said they keep felt like one of the boys, he's never had that. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, he lost a brother when he was young. [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know you had a brother. [SPEAKER_00]: No idea. [SPEAKER_00]: I only talked about his sisters. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's how we're seeing. [SPEAKER_00]: It is. [SPEAKER_03]: And in that like, he was young. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when he passed, so that's like almost an adult, you know, and he passed away and I know that you almost forget that West brought him to the house because his relationship with Sierra and Mia is so cute that you forget that he came in as a friend of West.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember what episode it was where Sierra made him a plea and she just in passing was just like, oh, that pleaded of food that I made for KJ and just left it out for him. [SPEAKER_03]: So I like their relationship. [SPEAKER_03]: So much, um, before we wrap it up here, Ben in his confessional said something about his dad.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, oh, he's pretty religious and we're not supposed to do anything, but then I got into in discretion in discretion with a girl in high school and I'm like, this is where producer you say, what do you mean in discretion they never said anything so now I'm forced to create my own story and I just think that.

[SPEAKER_03]: He got someone pregnant and had an abortion. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't what else could he be? [SPEAKER_00]: I would be mad. [SPEAKER_00]: What were you thinking? [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking just looking up what's the fun. [SPEAKER_00]: I just he would say I had sex. [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't just say I had primarital sex.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's Australian, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: They do, they say things differently. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm obsessed with Australian reality shows. [SPEAKER_03]: I watch all of them, they are worse than we are. [SPEAKER_03]: Like they don't care. [SPEAKER_03]: They are out there. [SPEAKER_03]: They have no loyalty to anyone.

[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe he's a product of his upbringing. [SPEAKER_03]: He's a PK. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he's that is not a passer. [SPEAKER_03]: But he's religious. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's what it is. [SPEAKER_03]: Just a choice of words of saying in discretion, I mean, you can say sex. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we just talk to that imagination.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so if he says in discretion, that's what I took it to be. [SPEAKER_03]: But you guys let me know when Ben says he had an discretion with someone in high school. [SPEAKER_03]: And then he's dad didn't talk to him. [SPEAKER_03]: You're dad wouldn't talk to you because he had sex. [SPEAKER_03]: I just had to go deep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you said not question to Andy at the reunion for the reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, never mind. [SPEAKER_03]: They already filmed it. [SPEAKER_03]: I do think he's going to ask if they don't get taken over by the whole West and Amanda thing but they can't he can't ask because that wasn't shown yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember they had already [SPEAKER_03]: But they've watched, so they always ask ahead of time. [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the, yes, yeah, some of the things. [SPEAKER_03]: I hate the reunion schedule. [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of my graduates's bravo. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel yeah, I think we need to see everything first.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we need to see, so we can ask some questions because they're anticipating what people are gonna ask, but you might not always nail it. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, wrapping up things, what do you think about Carlin Bailey? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really think anything of that. [SPEAKER_00]: My name, I guess, I don't, I guess it works for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Bailey has a, she's not really much of a doctor to me on the show. [SPEAKER_00]: On his. [SPEAKER_03]: Bailey's not my cup of tea, but I think I do like her and Carl. [SPEAKER_03]: My problem at Carl is like, I just feel like he does not have a desire to date, which is okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Feeling too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got that feeling too. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like he's kind of just doing it to do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to time this girl. [SPEAKER_03]: So they will leave him alone. [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the only reason he even goes out there and he has sex is like, okay, I've done it for the quarter.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell them they will loop and holler and then leave me alone. [SPEAKER_03]: But like, that's okay. [SPEAKER_03]: I would think so. [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what he feels, but also he was just kind of funny when he said, it felt like a DC USB when you just put your charger in. [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: They made out. [SPEAKER_03]: They both thought it was a great kiss and the camera cut away from them. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, why? [SPEAKER_03]: But we'll see what happens by the reunion. [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't really answer and watch what happens live if they're together or not. [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like if they were, we would know because nothing is a secret anymore in life.

[SPEAKER_03]: This camera is everywhere. [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, seriously. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's wrap it up with real housewives of Beverly Hills. [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody keeps complaining. [SPEAKER_03]: that it's so terrible. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's so terrible either. [SPEAKER_03]: I just think like they've kind of hit a wall.

[SPEAKER_03]: And especially after this reunion, I don't know where they go, but I also don't want anyone to be fired. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like people say that every season though. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's where it's gonna go for a beer. [SPEAKER_00]: Like people say that for seasons. [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_03]: Last season, my thing was I didn't know where Sutton was going to go. [SPEAKER_03]: Little did I know that Little Miss Amanda Francis was going to come in and Kyle and Doree were going to really hate each other. [SPEAKER_03]: It would not like work anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: And that took everything away from Sutton because some barely added questions.

[SPEAKER_03]: This, um, uh, union, um, they, like, do read and Kyle just sucked up the air of everything and took over everything. [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, why basically to read Kyle bows in Amanda, yeah, the relevant. [SPEAKER_03]: Tilly just showed off her dress and sat down. [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was nothing. [SPEAKER_03]: That she should. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at least it was invited because Natalie wasn't there. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the, the phantom of Natalie, they should have at least brought her out and asked her about that one [SPEAKER_03]: We're both, yeah, about the mass pit and that, but I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what that's what I don't need the budget. [SPEAKER_03]: Who was? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what was the plan with that? [SPEAKER_03]: And then she did the after show, sometimes. [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what they were planning with that. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so for me, it's because Kyle, [SPEAKER_03]: definitely hates to read, to read, definitely hates Kyle.

[SPEAKER_03]: Erica is gonna stick beside Kyle and she says she needs space. [SPEAKER_03]: I think they can work something out, but Kyle doesn't wanna talk to Bose because Bose is friends with Dury. [SPEAKER_03]: Sutton is just, please like me, please like me, anyone I'll go with you. [SPEAKER_03]: And so, I don't know if Amanda's coming back.

[SPEAKER_03]: She said, why would I do that? [SPEAKER_03]: So, then what do we do? [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I mean. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean it was, okay, go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: just like we never expected a man to this season. [SPEAKER_03]: Next season will be someone else they'll figure it out they always do yeah that's true that's true I just wonder who's who's friend is going to make it it's not going to be Erica I don't have any friends but I wonder who's either does to read right oh that's a good point I was just thinking about that's that's why they're their relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: with Kyle is just so much more extreme because like, that's their friend. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, yeah, he while Kyle has like, his friends with everybody in Hollywood. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those has a lot of friends as well. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of a mystery and just in the different community, she's in, Sutton has Tilly.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know, maybe both could bring someone on. [SPEAKER_03]: She can. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Kyle will not like that because he feels like someone else in Doreeds camp. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think part of the reason that Kyle is annoyed is I don't think she likes the fact that these new people are coming on.

[SPEAKER_03]: and they don't see, yeah, they don't see Daryt as the villain that she sees Daryt as, and they're warming up to her, and she doesn't understand why no one else hates her as much as she does and the audience, because when she made that comment like, oh, you think it's so cool. [SPEAKER_03]: You're smoking a cigarette and everybody loves it.

[SPEAKER_03]: You got them like that's on it. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so petty. [SPEAKER_03]: And every time you say something, she's like you guys say something, you guys join in and try and make a point solely based on what you think. [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you want everyone to be a group project? [SPEAKER_00]: She's a person who's used to having a group backing her like box four spy that's not a thing anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so glad it's a dissolution of that. [SPEAKER_03]: That was, you know, um, I do agree with people who say that. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, it is true when Doree says that Erica was trying to save her job. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, oh, yeah, so my whole thing is like out of all the things she said, that's what makes you the most upset.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because it's true. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I didn't want to say it. [SPEAKER_00]: I was telling Andy in the back. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, like, I was thinking she's that it was going to be something bigger. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, that's what we what made you upset over your friendship with this woman for years.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was it was a lot of hypocrisy like the third part was really really really annoying. [SPEAKER_03]: It was a lot of like [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they already got on Amanda for, oh, you're well. [SPEAKER_03]: If you're this, I was like, people watch Beverly Hills because of the wealth.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't, I know you went through a tough time. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not like we don't see all the bags until he does it. [SPEAKER_03]: And we see it with Kyle, like, I don't, Amanda's annoying. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna lie that she is, but I think again, the major factor is because of the age difference and they are just committed to misunderstanding Amanda.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't like Amanda. [SPEAKER_03]: No matter what she does is gonna be wrong, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Erica just deciding that she's going to side with Kyle is weird to me because now I'm doubting my memory and I want a man to memory, I don't have it because she remembers everything whatever you say yes she does because I'm just like I think that Erica has said I think I put that on thread the other day and I was like, [SPEAKER_03]: I think Erica has said that Kyle has power, that there was a time where she and Rena were anti- Kyle and they were sticking together and she said something like, they have power and Hollywood when she was also talking about Kathy.

[SPEAKER_03]: and no one wants to be on her bad side. [SPEAKER_03]: So now to act like, Kyle, oh, she doesn't have that power. [SPEAKER_03]: What are you talking about? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, Erica, the North remembers. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you can't just say things just because, and I like that they play the montage of them saying nasty things about Doreet.

[SPEAKER_03]: So when Doreet says, we're not friends. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, both has done more for me. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, honestly, Erica said that's what hurt her. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, maybe, but it kind of, [SPEAKER_03]: makes sense because she's not supporting the way Dury did when Erica was going through her stuff because Dury'd stuck by her regardless of what was happening and you would think that Erica would understand.

[SPEAKER_03]: her going through a hard time. [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't understand what's happening. [SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing that was raised is maybe what Doreed is also reacting to is that she has seen Kyle do this maybe maybe in there. [SPEAKER_03]: Fox five, the plan stuff and done things.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you know, they have secrets against each other. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I would is Doreed able to [SPEAKER_03]: At this point, so I don't know, but I think we've hit the peak with this season. [SPEAKER_03]: We just can't watch them fight anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: It's too much. [SPEAKER_00]: Hasn't it about something else next season for sure? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's established that, you know, we don't like each other. [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going anywhere. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what it's going to be. [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you think both dislikes Amanda so much?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I think the two just misunderstand each other. [SPEAKER_00]: They could come together and put everything that's been said about each other, all the attacks, whatever, to the side. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, be cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just think it's a lot of misunderstanding.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's really what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people are saying, like, oh, she's jealous of her. [SPEAKER_00]: I personally don't think that's what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I just think their misunderstanding each other. [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think she's jealous of her, but you know how sometimes people just annoy you.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think she just annoys her. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think the women collectively think that she's living a fake life. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So let's say know something that we don't and they just like be authentic and stop, you know, faking and trying to want up and then remember when they were in the car with Rachel.

[SPEAKER_03]: and she was taking all the phone calls and trying to be like, we're all successful, you're not any different. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think she just gets under her skin, but instead of just blocking it out, she's just like, ugh, I'm just saying everything. [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a good look in the third part in that everything that she was saying, she was saying, no, I didn't say that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it was just really frustrating that they could have rolled the tape at the time. [SPEAKER_03]: Start it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for it to see you. [SPEAKER_00]: Even watching those tapes, I still think that she was misunderstanding what she was saying. [SPEAKER_03]: Who she and who she?

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Amanda was still misunderstanding what Bose was saying. [SPEAKER_00]: Like even with the link to mom things. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think she was taking that out of college. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to be fair, in the moment during the scene, where both asked, like, if those were his children or her children, I don't like she didn't need to say that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that was inappropriate, you know what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: In her confessional where she said, hey, she wouldn't want her daughter calling another woman mom. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Amanda mistook that. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, obviously that's it. [SPEAKER_03]: I think for both of them, it tone.

[SPEAKER_03]: Tono is matters. [SPEAKER_03]: When Amanda says, they're his kids. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm raising them. [SPEAKER_03]: There's something about the way she said it, like they have a mom, like she's not raising them. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm the one raising them. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that got on the busiest kid.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then both say like, [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like that they have their it was also like disdain like you'll being a step mom But their other step mom, so both of them that's what they're saying throwing shake. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it was missing This is where both of them shake.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were right She was taking it the wrong way though. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Amanda was taking it as like oh like her role is not a mother role to her step children. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's not [SPEAKER_00]: But I understand why how both said it would be done. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just think it's a communication thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not completely different communication styles. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's always going to be in this understanding. [SPEAKER_00]: Just like the whole, I lose money. [SPEAKER_00]: I lose money. [SPEAKER_00]: That's still a debate. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good one. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 50-50 between the audience.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You can say, oh, my gosh. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I just wish Bows would have just said like yes, I said it and then do the housewife thing either. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: She did it for one of them. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't bear which went to your apologize for but for everything else.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think just say that you you said what you said because Bows is intelligent I think to her advantage so she knows how to phrase things like what she's trying to say and then you go close to the line where you don't actually say it but you're inferring stuff and it's like didn't remember.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I think, I mean, I'll wait till she brings out another video and see if she did or not. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not ready. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready. [SPEAKER_02]: She's quick. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean. [SPEAKER_03]: I think Andy was very involved in this reunion.

[SPEAKER_03]: You could tell he was very clearly annoyed with the read and he just weren't letting them just do what that Lana women did for Pinky and Angela. [SPEAKER_03]: Let them talk. [SPEAKER_03]: Like don't interject or try to say anything. [SPEAKER_03]: Like you're not the, how many housewives did they have the fifth man housewife there?

[SPEAKER_03]: Just let them be. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think he was just really irritated. [SPEAKER_03]: That's one thing, Andy can't hide it anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: He's always irritated though. [SPEAKER_00]: He's always irritated now. [SPEAKER_00]: What for union is he not irritated? [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you which one he's not.

[SPEAKER_03]: Southern charm. [SPEAKER_03]: He loves those boys. [SPEAKER_03]: The combination of Austin, Craig, whoever you have on there, no matter what they do, he's just always in a good mood when he's around them. [SPEAKER_03]: I feel so. [SPEAKER_03]: You think he's out of the rules? [SPEAKER_00]: There's something he got irritated with them on this past reunion.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, something he called out, okay, maybe I remember but I always feel like he's just like, oh, it's always a good time to you guys, that's so But yeah, I mean, honestly, there's nothing to say more about people to use, they're just the hate each other will figure out what happens next season.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like when the fandom is like oh, we don't like this person fire them. [SPEAKER_03]: We can't fire people because we don't like them because believe it or not We need villains. [SPEAKER_03]: We need this rocky relationships because one minute they get back together Then that's a whole other story that we need to get by so When everyone asks to we change the cast.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know maybe we keep it the same Maybe we make sudden a friend like what is sudden? [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what did she bring to? [SPEAKER_03]: This I don't know [SPEAKER_03]: It was funny though, when she said, I am not nobody's minion, I'm like, girl, we've been watching you all, how many seasons now trying to be on cause good side, stop it, okay?

[SPEAKER_03]: You did not go down to the altar of Kyle. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, not to read coding all the things they said. [SPEAKER_02]: She got a good memory to where they were. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, well, it's a really. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the funniest part of it to be is where she turned and she was like, what do you think this is?

[SPEAKER_03]: Gentle cuddling? [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why that cracked me up. [SPEAKER_03]: But I know people are matter her. [SPEAKER_03]: She is self-centered. [SPEAKER_03]: She is self-centered. [SPEAKER_03]: She is like her. [SPEAKER_03]: She was so aggy. [SPEAKER_03]: Like she didn't let anyone talk, she didn't like, you know, get her, she's like, Kyle, she's just out there not regulating, just screaming at people.

[SPEAKER_03]: But Loki on the flip side, I do like that she stood her ground. [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, time does now. [SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not gonna make me, she's like, Erica's like, I need space for a minute. [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, good, me too. [SPEAKER_03]: So, I don't know why people can't hold space for two things can be true.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing absolute. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, by no means a delete fan, but it's it's too complicated. [SPEAKER_03]: That relationship runs long and deep and whatever they're going to do next season they might come back and say, we had a long lunch and we decided to put our differences aside and then we'll be the ones starting out here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, doing all that. [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, any final thoughts with the [SPEAKER_00]: I love Beverly Hills. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get the hate. [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's mine. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like every franchise has their thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And Beverly Hills, it doesn't need to have like these crazy, like someone going to jail again or someone being accused for fraud.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like these crazy tabboys blowing up just for it to be a good season. [SPEAKER_00]: I was cool with this season. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't boring for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I look forward to see what [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, plus, I mean, the whole Tom storyline is going to carry them when that regards for that.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was enough. [SPEAKER_03]: How many years? [SPEAKER_03]: For that. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Zoe, thank you for joining me for this. [SPEAKER_03]: Can you share with people where they can find you? [SPEAKER_00]: You can find me at Bravo Breakdown with Zoe. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on Instagram, TikTok, threads, YouTube, all the places.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, [SPEAKER_03]: You are welcome, glad to have you. [SPEAKER_03]: Guys, you know where to find me. [SPEAKER_03]: It's all to call MAFS and all of the socials. [SPEAKER_03]: Please give me a five star rating on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and stay subscribed. [SPEAKER_03]: So you do not miss out on any new episodes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Until next time, guys, bye.

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