Survivor S50 Ep.11 Recap w/Jason

[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everybody. [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to another episode of All To Call. [SPEAKER_02]: I am your host, Tane, here with a new episode for you. [SPEAKER_02]: This time talking about Survivor 50. [SPEAKER_02]: My guest today is a famous man, a man who, if you go out with him, in public. [SPEAKER_02]: Whether one person, two person, three people, might come up to you and come up to him and ask for his IG, ask, you know, about him, his podcasting, and it's your faith, not my faith at the moment, it's Jason.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Jason. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, high-tain, not your favorite at the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what is that? [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we'll talk about that separately, but I will say it's got to be in a very, very unique each gathering for anyone to recognize me, like, very unique in each. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, for the first, the one person that can't want to be, you're the price of what it was it, sort of like a watch party or tell you like, oh my gosh, let me just say Tane, if you ever showed your face, [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sharing my, and you know what, in fact, this podcast, I'm going to put it on Patreon video.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm going to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, welcome guys. [SPEAKER_02]: I always want to talk about Survivor, but then I remember that I really don't know a lot of people that watch Survivor, thankfully Jason is one of them, and Jason was kind [SPEAKER_02]: to come out to the Bryson-Wen party in DC and we went and we watched it and it was a great episode two by the way Jason for us to write person one home.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes yes yes it was so I think this week's episode which we are going to cover is the aftermath of that big episode. [SPEAKER_00]: the pricing. [SPEAKER_00]: The price and when we went to was the episode where Stephanie got voted out and I can't tell you like watching it, I always find watching in a group like where especially where we're all on the same track of all the same old of where we want people to be who we want to be saying don't want to be safe.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's always fun because you have these moments like in a mini challenges and in people who get voted off when the right thing happens and you all [SPEAKER_00]: And I can say like it's weird because in this moment in two back to back episode was I've watched in a crowd I watched it with Bryson win with you a week before last and then last week I was at the Rob as a podcast New York event where we all kind of watch together as well and much and a much bigger venue of course like [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting, the differences between the Bryson-Wand events and the Rob has five guys events with the Bryson-Wand events on more of a, like, uh, intimate tack, intimate, everyone's kind of, everyone's standing, everyone's, we're proud around a bar, we're in the, as in the Rob has a podcast one, we're all seated in a theater, watching, like a movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so it's fun, and these two episodes are really, really good to watch with groups because, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: the great things happen for the people, most people in that space want to happen. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's fun to be in that atmosphere where you're all either concerned about something at the same time or you're happy something happened at the same time.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really fun time. [SPEAKER_00]: I suggest to anyone if you have the opportunity to go to an event like that that you do at least once because it's fun to experience that with a group of people. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've only been to the DC one a couple of years ago and that was really fun and that's why you are not currently my favorite now Jason because you know I did not know about this event in New York life has been life thing I just didn't know about it you did not tell me about it I wasn't told so sometimes people need a face to blame and I chose you [SPEAKER_02]: I swear you were true.

[SPEAKER_02]: I told you about it last week. [SPEAKER_02]: I saw you. [SPEAKER_02]: I told you I was going to New York the next week Yeah, you do it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's already been done. [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't gonna do it last minute. [SPEAKER_02]: I need to hire to that I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like you're somewhat connected to the Rob as a fuck as universe I'm not gonna earn about it. [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't hear about it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's fake. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't watch that. [SPEAKER_00]: Like That's what I'll be saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what you're doing [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, um, it worked out Devons pulled a big move. [SPEAKER_02]: Devons got them $2 million, which, you know, I, you know, last week on reality show Rambo, I talked a little bit about Survivor.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I did say that even if Devons didn't pull it, it was going to be $2 million anyways. [SPEAKER_02]: We talked a little bit about this where I said, $40 was $2 million. [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way 50. [SPEAKER_02]: it's not going to be $2 million. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it

[SPEAKER_00]: that they've enabled something, and we're like, listen, if it, if it, if it doesn't hit the first time, we'll just say that was a practice throw, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because it's, it's, it's, it's, what kind of moment would it be if it didn't land on the two million, and devins had to go home right away?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that wouldn't be a moment. [SPEAKER_00]: If, yeah, I don't know, as we find out this episode, there are so many safeguards in place. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys can do it. [SPEAKER_00]: practices. [SPEAKER_00]: We've got people walking around the island that are making sure that, you know, due to laws and regulations, things that we all on the up and up.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I don't think realistically that was true, but it's like, they think there was ever a world where it'd be like, all right, well, it didn't hit, but we'll just, we'll just take that scene again, guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to need you all to sign a vow of violence about this moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: If everyone, I don't care if you're on your deathmen, never admit that we took this moment again, okay? [SPEAKER_02]: Now, with Jeff Probs at the helm, no, if it didn't hit, that was it. [SPEAKER_02]: He was going home. [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember before they said that, I was like, not another twist.

[SPEAKER_02]: We don't need all of this. [SPEAKER_02]: We need, you know, the, the season to breathe, but it worked out the way we wanted. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So [SPEAKER_00]: These twists or so are so funny because I'm going to talk about it with the twist.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Very, very results oriented on whether or not the twist. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was really tested this episode, which we'll talk about. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it doesn't hit the way we wanted to hit, we would all be screaming at Jeff Probs. [SPEAKER_00]: Like why did you do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: That was so dumb. [SPEAKER_00]: That was so stupid. [SPEAKER_00]: Because it went the way he wanted to go it was like it was a great moment a great moment of television But it could have easily gone the other way like it's kind of like okay, if we have two coins and Devon says heads or tails Like, alright, give me the camera weighted one that has that [SPEAKER_00]: Well, flip that one, like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, well, I have a magnet in the ground. [SPEAKER_00]: I make sure that the side we want comes up, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it really, like so far for the most part, the twist I've been working out in the show's favor. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and that's what I was going to say when you said the moment I think no pun intended on the flip side of the coin would have been Devon's going home like this would still be a moment because it's a continuation of like how Hubiki went home Whereas with another terrible twist and it's like he volunteered No one asked him to do it and he's just like I'm going to do a big move if it doesn't work This is what I came out here to do and it would still kind of be a moment just not a favorable

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would definitely have been a wop wop instead of an exultation. [SPEAKER_00]: Where as the Christian twist, I don't think was the sole reason he went home. [SPEAKER_00]: Like this would be the sole reason Devon's went home. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm thinking. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Christian already had a huge target on his back.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you would have gone that night. [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't think one vote already in the earned would have been like, oh, there we go. [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, enough we need. [SPEAKER_00]: I think they were already.

[SPEAKER_00]: If it wasn't Christian at that point, [SPEAKER_02]: But you could have been swayed. [SPEAKER_02]: It could have been swayed. [SPEAKER_02]: I think, I mean, I don't think she was on board for a Kristen at the, what's she, I can't remember. [SPEAKER_02]: But what do you think? [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, this is my favorite part.

[SPEAKER_02]: I get to talk about this player who I don't like. [SPEAKER_02]: And Jason had to hear ear full of it at the party. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just everyone's like, Rick, he got us this. [SPEAKER_02]: This is great. [SPEAKER_02]: Rizzo was like, best tribal cancel ever. [SPEAKER_02]: It is not, but okay, let me tell you, which I'm saying, Rizzo, having the wedry of his life on this season of 50.

[SPEAKER_02]: But who's not enjoying it? [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, my fucking Joe, why is this man here? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I never have I felt so vindicated by this season because I just don't look at me. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this season and it's like it was too soon. [SPEAKER_00]: like Joe like if you didn't like your your edit and you thought it was like Camilla and Kyle were like pulling a joke on you the first season you were on this they they they told your ass up in this edit like you are you're coming across as the worst player of all time because you are so like [SPEAKER_00]: anti-everything happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're such a part of you. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, uh, why wouldn't he do that? [SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't Rick is so inappropriate? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, in appropriate ways, what are you talking about? [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, are we still talking about Survivor? [SPEAKER_02]: Because he was like, all this chaos, the words disgusting were used, poor taste inappropriate.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, Survivor playing a game and series like, [SPEAKER_02]: you were going to vote him out. [SPEAKER_02]: He did what he had to do. [SPEAKER_02]: And as she said, he's a 500-year-old hypocrisy. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of fun. [SPEAKER_00]: I love Dury. [SPEAKER_00]: Dury is so fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yes, they're getting past. [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to look like, as much as you can, like, get on someone's ass in the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: She did. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, as you said, like, you were trying to vote him out. [SPEAKER_00]: So that was all. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only thing he could do is like, yeah, like I get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just, it was in poor taste. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're probably like, [SPEAKER_02]: What? [SPEAKER_02]: So he was like, are you serious? [SPEAKER_02]: What is my hair on 50? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you think... [SPEAKER_00]: I think Joe's for her season may have really ruined him because he was in such a position of being the king of his alliance.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he was surrounded by so many honesty and loyalty people on his tribe. [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, he got like, he kind of got wedged at the end there. [SPEAKER_00]: But for the majority of his... [SPEAKER_00]: time on Survivor. [SPEAKER_00]: It's always been a, hey, yes, we're going to do the right thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: When it be honest, we're going to be loyal. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do this for that. [SPEAKER_00]: So that might have ruined him for all of Survivor, because now he's he's pooping people that are just playing the game, like you normally would. [SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's too soon. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't come back to survivor and play the same way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that didn't really work out for you. [SPEAKER_02]: You would think, let me try something else. [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that is his true nature. [SPEAKER_02]: He's just a very rigid person. [SPEAKER_02]: Because in addition to everything that he says, it's also the way he says it.

[SPEAKER_02]: He has this intense, intense look. [SPEAKER_02]: He's looking at you like, you know, when people have [SPEAKER_02]: except he's not wearing glasses and he's just beneath that and looking at you like understanding you. [SPEAKER_00]: He's got the he's got the disappointed parent look. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like he's so high in mighty with all the things he says as if like as if he's tried to scold you about someone. [SPEAKER_00]: I am more than this like I would do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Like are you sure like it's really [SPEAKER_00]: he's really a bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a bad player. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it was he. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why they decided to bring it back other than to like have the storyline with him, Kyle and Camilla. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: A like redemption maybe, but just like I did it was not for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was beloved. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the Facebook groups, moms, they probably loved him, so they thought maybe you still do. [SPEAKER_02]: They still do. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't believe I would imagine. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Good friend. [SPEAKER_00]: I saw, I get glimpses of that Facebook group.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want them. [SPEAKER_00]: Facebook just gives them to me. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I don't even like, subscribe to any of these groups. [SPEAKER_00]: They just shove them in my face because I know I'm part of other survivor groups. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, uh, Tiffany knows what she did.

[SPEAKER_00]: She knows she cheated. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what are you doing? [SPEAKER_02]: Ugh, I can't. [SPEAKER_00]: But. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't, and I feel like the problem is we'll be seeing Joe for the rest. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we only got two weeks left, but I feel like Joe was definitely to get and take it to the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I was, if I was a little island, I would take into the end to that. [SPEAKER_02]: I know. [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this a little bit where I'm like, this man is going to the final three because why wouldn't you? [SPEAKER_02]: And then plus is ability to win challenges. [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't won yet, but I mean, in this final, what is it, seven now?

[SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't won yet, but you know, it's a [SPEAKER_02]: pretty safe bet if you want to say if he's going to make it to the final three, oh my god, who said it on threads where they said the possible final three might be Aubrey, Jonathan, and Joe. [SPEAKER_02]: And I said take it back, please.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have, I have my like order of operations, so I think things might go, but I don't know if that's one of them, but here's the thing, and like serene tip talk about Joe, and like serene is like I am so sick of basings. [SPEAKER_00]: like Antif goes like, yes, Joe needs to be talked out of his emotional turmoil all the time, but that's kind of like, he's not a priority for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's, I can still have him around. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't look at him get jar out anytime soon. [SPEAKER_00]: I can handle him. [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many other big threats that he'd be taken out before Joe. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's like, that's the attitude is going to get Joe to the final three.

[SPEAKER_00]: And to be, until once again, be a lot of enough, he was zero, but he will be taken to the [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the consolation is that if he does go to the finals, he is absolutely going to be a zero vote finalists. [SPEAKER_02]: Unless coach. [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not on. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he is. [SPEAKER_02]: Difficult for him. [SPEAKER_00]: It depends on who's there. [SPEAKER_00]: It depends. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: If Jonathan's there, I think coach gives the vote to Jonathan. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope coach, I don't know what about coach's voting history, I mean, not real, I put in survivor.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know you're real life. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what his like voting history was. [SPEAKER_00]: I see respect game over whatever else, but, you know, it's on the side there. [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have to see that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, might be another zero ball finalists. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: You spoke of Syrian Tiffany and seen them play together and being on the same side gives me so much joy. [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like a throwback to what I wanted for Syrian Mikhailin and never happened and this is just joyful to see.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when Tiffany reminds Siri that Aussie, Devons and Rizzo have an idol, she's [SPEAKER_02]: the PTSD and series minds that's playing and she's like this is not going to happen again for those who are new to this Siri got cheating I voted out I'm not even going to say that Siri exited the game because everybody else had an advantage and she did not have one and then Tiffany brings up Aussie and I'm like uh oh because anytime anyone brings up Aussie something happens [SPEAKER_02]: And she tells us that she wonders if she can get them to play their idol, but still keep them in.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if she's telling Tiffany that, Jason, doesn't that mean that Tiffany's her true number one? [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think Tiffany has started to climb the ranks in two weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: And even if she's there, [SPEAKER_00]: not quite yet, because I think Saris still has this affection for Ozzy and Rizzo Ashill talk about, you know, in, in, in the episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Saris is, because Saris has to respond to a Tiffany is saying, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the perfect response to this of like, yes, like, yeah, let's get into play their idols, because Tiffany is like, I think Tiffany is talking about, let's get them out. [SPEAKER_00]: And Saris is kind of bringing it down a notch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, I mean, I don't know about get them out, but we definitely get their idols out of the game [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Syria is like, is truthful of that, to be like, I want my allies around, but I don't need their tools that they have with them, because I think Syria also sees, there might be a time to get them out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and I don't want to have any, [SPEAKER_00]: you know, impediments to that, if I decide I need to go. [SPEAKER_00]: So, right now, like Siri has a, Siri at this point almost has a line, so it's almost everyone on the island, but it's like, I need to make sure I'm safe guarding against if I ever need to get them out, that it's going to be easier to get them out than not.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think she's truthful and be like, yeah, let's get their idols out, but they need to stay in the game. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: The serene mist is working, I'm giving her credit for it because Aussie tells everyone and says, hey, guys, I had a dream and in that dream, I was booted out with an idol in my pocket.

[SPEAKER_02]: So serene doesn't even have to do work. [SPEAKER_02]: He's been told from the greater beyond that play idol because you might go home without with an idol in your pocket, which has happened to him before again, if you're not, if you're new to this, this has happened to Aussie before and you would think.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, listen, if real talk is the reason that Genevieve gave Ozzie this idol because she was like, she said, more often than not, he's got to be gone and out of the title because that's before and it's like, it came around full circle like a boomeray. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at that. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so funny because just as he regits this idea to have Aussie plays like she didn't even get the words out to Aussie That he might be a trouble for who's like, you know what I'll play a mile like that's what I'll do she's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that'd be a great idea Yeah, you should do that [SPEAKER_02]: Um, honestly, I don't know why this was shoved in here.

[SPEAKER_02]: This happened two episodes ago, where they all got their family letters, and my first thing was, bring loved ones back when I was watching old episodes. [SPEAKER_02]: I saw the loved ones again, and it was when Jeremy's wife and kids came and I'm like, uh, can we bring that back? [SPEAKER_02]: It's just so nice to see like the loved ones.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the one you're talking about is like was on 40 with the winters at war thing, but the thing I think about Jeremy is when Val came out And she told him they were having a boy like that was it's like Like such an emotional moment This is all my God and Tane don't get me started at what you were talking about at Bryce away Oh, I'm about to see it No, that's fine Are you healthy?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna shit, I was saying again I was leading out to me It's like [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll see how Jason do me. [SPEAKER_02]: He was gonna out me Don't get me started. [SPEAKER_02]: I would tell y'all what I think. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so Aussie says I don't want this letter. [SPEAKER_02]: It's because, you know, his dad died eight years ago He hasn't thought of his dad and he was really hard on his dad [SPEAKER_02]: He's talked about it and I'm really enjoying the flashbacks by the way, um, that are coming back and I am saying this literally my nose I said I say this because I was just telling Jason how I make a letter is distracting I don't want I miss you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love you. [SPEAKER_02]: You're the greatest or just like we're all good Get that money see you soon when you get back. [SPEAKER_02]: That's it for me because I asked Jason if you were there Who would you want to get a letter from? [SPEAKER_00]: It's like who do these? [SPEAKER_00]: He's fake ass letters.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's he's people ass letters. [SPEAKER_02]: This is ridiculous People read letters getting emotional taste like It's so distracting no one needs that now focus for the days and then you get there and I feel like this was proved because Aussie says I haven't thought about this this whole time and my mom writes this and I'm thinking about this and [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it does have a moment for Aussie and Devons and it was really nice, you know, to see them talk about it, to see them bond and [SPEAKER_02]: Devon saying like he told his wife, he was just gonna, you know, have fun, which I was like, I think you had fun the first time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Would you think Devon's first time was fun or stressful? [SPEAKER_02]: His back was against the wall. [SPEAKER_00]: I just slowly against the wall. [SPEAKER_00]: He had to fight his way back one time. [SPEAKER_00]: God. [SPEAKER_00]: Do all you shenanigans with fake idols, which in a way is fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's all still for it. [SPEAKER_00]: God, it's so strong, it's so just. [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, and, you know, the devil's has a frickin' dance break, and in the beginning of this episode where he's like, dance all over the idol. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, all of the island I should say.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, he's having fun, I think. [SPEAKER_02]: It was funny because I was listening to the Rob's, the podcast, and Andy's like, I bet I know what producer told him to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, that's so right. [SPEAKER_00]: So random but it makes sense right because it's like all right Rick we're gonna have some fun Do you live you would ever Rick that you want to do it is like it's a whole video shoot I'm just Rick dancing around the idol and I mean, that's just kind of the the different nuances of devins right because We get this chaotic this really fun It's really like kind of cheesy version of devins and then we also get the devins of where he's relating to Ozzy and giving Ozzy this talk about being a father I'm like

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, like where did this conversation come from? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I was like, what made you want to be a dad? [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and this is where I think a lot of people don't like about the current phase of survivor, which I can, I can admit, does get heavy handed sometimes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But this felt like a very, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, genuine, authentic conversation of like what really what Ozzy's really thinking about in this in this time and Rick as a father Can relate to this and tell us in what he thinks about I think that's more version. [SPEAKER_00]: We should be getting Yeah, not like not a sitting on like okay tell me your saddest story like it will make a whole meal out of this So it's like this this felt really so just so real and and heart felt genuine from both of these guys I guess [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was a great moment. [SPEAKER_02]: We spoke a little bit about Billie Eilish who is not speaking about this idol. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you got to see that she was on Amy Poles podcast and basically from my interpretation was scoffing it. [SPEAKER_02]: The Billie Eilish idol. [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, what was this about? [SPEAKER_00]: I, this, this is where I, and as much as people clowned on it, when it first came out like when Jeff Probst had his survivor podcast, as much as people clowned on it in the moment, I miss it because I want, I want to hear some behind the scenes of this Billy interesting because I'd love to hear in real time if, I mean, listen, there's a, there's a possibly Jeff would not even bring it up since.

[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of backfired on driver as a whole because Billie Eilish is not acknowledging it and if she does, she's speaking like facetiously about it. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, that's kind of an embarrassing thing for survivor to name a whole game mechanic after this person. [SPEAKER_00]: And this person doesn't even want to like acknowledge it in a good way.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, yeah, that's that really backfired out of, I mean as much as you all want to shit on Zach Brown, he came out here and like had a whole survivor experience. [SPEAKER_02]: It's about that life. [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. [SPEAKER_00]: Beast was here. [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Falman had Christian Hubicki on his show.

[SPEAKER_00]: I totally acknowledging the twist and all that. [SPEAKER_00]: But Billy Osh has been the worst representative of this aspect. [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the other thing I don't understand is why we even went to celebrity around. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, and maybe I never remember what we talked about or not.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it could have been legends from the game. [SPEAKER_02]: It really didn't have to be celebrities. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think anyone, I don't know how much impact this has on the non uh, super fan community of survivor is this really getting people that weren't watching survivor to come watch survivor in the first place.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so. [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not the hype of Survivor 50 is enough. [SPEAKER_02]: Like those are a whole bunch of people in line who are like, oh my god, everyone's excited. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go back and watch this. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not because of that. [SPEAKER_02]: If you say the, give us someone who's across over right now, Boston Rob is hot because he's been on this shows.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you say the Boston Rob boomerang, whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: The partner is shallow, whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: The Sandra Diaz, double indemnity. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I'm just talking shit. [SPEAKER_00]: But just do something. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be a mashup of, like, uh, of Ghost Island and, uh, uh, uh, uh, what do they call it?

[SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, idols of the island or whatever, when Robin Robinson were hiding in that. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be some sort of mashup of that. [SPEAKER_00]: I think in really, uh, and also that moment, in that random season, that random season, where, uh, Cochrane came to talk to, talk to Debbie.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you could have done all these special things with, with past people of the game. [SPEAKER_02]: with moments that we've had, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: That would be a lot more fun than these random celebrity cameos or random celebrity idols that the celebrity didn't even really know was happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: You could have come with more, but to bring in these, these celebrities don't really have to add as much. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we are on to this week's challenge. [SPEAKER_02]: This week's challenge we've seen it before it's balancing on a triangular platform type thing Jeff counts you in and you go up and you climb up, but they're on water the last time Jonathan is you only a person has won this that's in 50 this season and he won it, but I guess it was choppy waters.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I was really flies. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was really rough water and I recently watched survival 42 for because I [SPEAKER_00]: I talked about Jonathan in the preseason with Mike Bloom and I remember his like barely barely were able to get up and stay there and Jonathan won easily.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think this I think the call was like the dog house challenge because a little thing was like a little bit of a dog house. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was it was it's it's I kind of hate these challenges like it doesn't really provide a lot of interesting content. [SPEAKER_02]: is it's a lot that people feel during traders when it's time for the challenge.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jeffrey now says that the winner is going to get an advantage that will impact the game and it comes through the twist and I'm like another goddamn twist. [SPEAKER_02]: Why Lord? [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I thought we were done. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought we were just going to let the wine breathe.

[SPEAKER_02]: But no, we're not going to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: So they all climb up, they all start, and sometimes during this challenge is when we learn that Jonathan's feet are not fat, they're just girthy. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, this got quite, this got quite a default of the audience. [SPEAKER_00]: The audience was like, I like him fat and girthy.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that was Emily. [SPEAKER_02]: Emily was the one who said he said my feet are so fat and she's like, no they were girthy. [SPEAKER_02]: So I just got wondering, when someone falls into the water, do the waves from falling? [SPEAKER_02]: Does that affect the next person that's closest and kind of move their dog house and things like that, but I don't know if they test it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So so anyways, it keeps going all of the sudden people start dropping and then they'll like Tiffany's the last. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm celebrating like, yeah, two times in a row, Tiffany won. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't notice. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you notice? [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't. [SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea because like, you know, it's a thing where like you get, you regret, you get consecutively, you got to go up a wrong, so it's hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, just like, everybody has to get up on one leg to do this. [SPEAKER_00]: And like, it's a lot of transitions. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you get up on one leg, follow over, there's no chance that you're, you're done. [SPEAKER_00]: So like everyone's already going to want to like and everyone's almost immediately falling.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a it was such a moment of like turmoil because everyone's falling at one wanting like oh my god what's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: You're like trying to watch trying to see and then we all just we all see just like just saw all right Tiffany's last one standing with her one leg up so yeah if he's the winner and we get this we get this I love the fourth wall breaking moments on top of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we get this moment where Jeff's like, oh, like, you can tell he's talking to like a producer. [SPEAKER_00]: As I know, what's the problem? [SPEAKER_00]: So Jeff goes like a referee at a football game. [SPEAKER_00]: He goes to check. [SPEAKER_00]: He goes to check the is the replay. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, like he comes back, he's like, hey, Tiff, you are.

[SPEAKER_00]: when I called one foot up, you still had two feet down on the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And I were going to watch this for this podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: I saw a plane as day. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, yeah, see it right there. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, last person I wanted to win it, wins it, and just as he's telling us he comes to the speech, so if I raise the best thing I've ever done in my life, [SPEAKER_02]: I'm freaking out while he's saying this because I'm like what does the rest of the episode have to is going to give us and remember the title is everybody is shook it and I'm like what is going to make us shook it because I'm not ready for anything that's going to happen right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: But another thing when I was watching it again in another life Jason Emily would have been the winner. [SPEAKER_02]: She was the second, like, Jonathan was the last person before Tiffany. [SPEAKER_02]: She was the last person to drop before Jonathan. [SPEAKER_02]: So like, if he had just dropped the second, Emily would have been the...

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I mean, the thing with this is that whoever, if it wasn't Jonathan, if it was Tiffany, if it was anybody else, it would have changed everything. [SPEAKER_00]: And because like after this, we get split into random groups of four. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you switch out the different people who knows what happens, who knows what people are in what positions, when they pick the rocks, would have changed everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So what Jason said, the advantage, that's when Jeff tells them what the advantage is is that they're going to be run randomly, they never show us this randomly, but randomly split into four and they did, they grab the rocks, okay, that's true, that's usually they're like, we're going to explain to groups and then we don't see anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: and both groups will vote out someone but Jonathan is going to vote in both groups. [SPEAKER_02]: You guys, I was panicking so much. [SPEAKER_02]: I typed what the fuck is this with many question marks beside it because I'm like, depending on what the group is, [SPEAKER_02]: We had people, Rick, Aussie, Rizzo, and Jonathan, if they were in the same thing in Sari with somewhere there, they all have advantages.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Aussie wouldn't have played his, but, you know. [SPEAKER_02]: But that would have been very, very dangerous for the show to do. [SPEAKER_02]: But either way, the two groups, the group one, was Rizzo, Joe, Aubrey, and Aussie, and group two of Sari, Tiffany, Emily, and Devons. [SPEAKER_02]: I just, this was a big swing for the show to take.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a huge, huge twist, and we don't, like, in this moment that we're in, we even know the, we even know the full power that this is because all we know right now is that Jonathan will be able to cast votes at both triples. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he is number one immune, and number two has two votes for these two triple councils.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like, wow, that is, [SPEAKER_00]: huge. [SPEAKER_00]: And then we hear, and Jonathan gets to go back and forth between the two tribes, and you know, gets to play the telephone game with, you know, figure out who he's voted for, whoever else has voted more. [SPEAKER_00]: That is a huge advantage.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and that's why I feel like survivor just needs to, it's enough, we get it because it's turning it into a game of luck. [SPEAKER_02]: It's getting to the point where no matter how much strategizing you do, you build allies, you do all the things, you don't know what twist is going to just send you over, so then what is the point?

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what, you know, I don't like. [SPEAKER_02]: And then especially when he goes to someone, you don't want them to get it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want Jonathan to have all this power, why? [SPEAKER_02]: Now if he was somebody else, like, serious, I think I'll be like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Them to be the luck. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly because like as as we were in, you know, the the robbers market has live event And Rob start their show. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like What do we think of the of the twist? [SPEAKER_00]: You know I was like, boo. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's like, well, let's be real.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like It won't be okay. [SPEAKER_00]: There was like, yeah, it's like it's very like results oriented. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah It's like a super powered advantage like [SPEAKER_00]: I think they should have. [SPEAKER_00]: I had first thought it was like, okay, they're going to like isolate Joe like not Joe, but Jonathan maybe like maybe they'll just send him like they won't send him to the other beaches.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just send him double counsel and he'll just vote the way he wants to vote or whatever for both tribal council. [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that he gets to like walk back and forth. [SPEAKER_00]: If a smarter person won this, they could really manipulate it this the way they wanted it to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: They could have lied, it said somebody said something on the other side, to get someone to think something else, on the other side. [SPEAKER_00]: If a smarter person got this, like if us a re-got this, she could have, you know, ruck havoc with this. [SPEAKER_00]: And it really made the most of it, but Jonathan got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you just kind of did whatever three told him to do for the most part. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and the thing about it is whenever you win and any competitive reality shows where it's like your head of household or anything you're able to get information from this and I feel like even if Jonathan wasn't being So strategic about it he still got information from being the winner of this I did mention how you know you were saying or did I ask if Jonathan wins this season and we're like he's not like [SPEAKER_02]: a worthy winner.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who said it, but I was like, I think it would be representative of the season. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I am a I am pro Jonathan, not let me in. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just jump in. [SPEAKER_00]: It was probably a certain person in real life, but I think Jonathan's playing a lot better this season than he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I wouldn't necessarily say that I am like hoping he wins, but I think if he wins, I wouldn't be super mad about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'd be like, okay, he played well this season. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I think the best I can say probably is if Jonathan makes this as a final three, I will not confidently say that he will be a zero vote final this like he was the first time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, I mean it depends on who he's there with of course, but yeah, I've, I've like respected Jonathan's gameplay this time around where, last time around I can't play the same thing. [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, Jonathan is doing something I think that everyone should do if you're coming back, you can't be the same person.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have to grow and evolve and adapt to whatever game you're having. [SPEAKER_02]: Which brings the question, even though it's so soon, is Rizzo being the same person that he was in 49 or does he even qualify to ask about that question? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what can I really, what can we really say Rizzo's first game?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, his big claim to fame was he held on to his idol forever, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like he was able to read the votes to know where votes were going. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the most I can say about his game. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know what you have to say about Rizzles game.

[SPEAKER_00]: He knows the game, that's well established, and that's great. [SPEAKER_00]: And he was able to hold on to the title for the whole game. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it got him a lot like a whole ton of respect. [SPEAKER_00]: I think people are mostly like annoyed with Brazil and its antics at tribal council.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think Brazil's playing a fine game. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's doing anything crazily special. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think so. [SPEAKER_02]: I have begrudgingly accepted [SPEAKER_02]: He is playing a good game. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's playing a bad game. [SPEAKER_02]: I think he has a good read on things.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think his disadvantage is just like, he's just not a like a person. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the same as saying someone is annoying either way? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, because that goes a long way. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I don't think he, this might just be a built-in problem with coming right back when your season hasn't aired, I don't think people respect him, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because Josie says, he'll say a little later as he's giving his like spiel to Aubrey, he's like, I don't want to go to the end with a riso, because he doesn't know riso. [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know anything about riso or his game. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like, I think that's a built-in, like, you know, negative to you coming right back, because he'll get that respect of people that have seen your game and seeing how you play.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Aussie mentioned something as ex-depressive like Brazil just kind of sits back in ways where everybody else do things and he's only time to shine, he's in trouble counsel, where he can be kind of like, I think he used the word, what do you say? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, show me some.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, show me your disrespect for something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's not a fan. [SPEAKER_00]: People doubt he's not a fan of Brazil for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a fan. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't think Brazil has that respect of the other survivors. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's also a disconnect, because I don't know if people always remember that we're watching because we watched Resows Game, but the people who's playing with do not know.

[SPEAKER_02]: So people need to combine that reconciled those two facts together as they're watching. [SPEAKER_02]: So we go to Emily. [SPEAKER_02]: Emily asked to speak to Tiffany alone, it is day 21, the same day that she was voted out in her last season, and she is haunted by the fact that she did not do anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, why? [SPEAKER_02]: Why did I do anything? [SPEAKER_02]: So by God, I am going to do everything this time. [SPEAKER_02]: Emily tells him that she thinks that she can convince Devons to play the idol on her and vote for him. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sitting here as she tells each person, do they believe her?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good question because from what we see in the edit, it seems like people are like on board with this, like, oh, yeah, that's a good idea. [SPEAKER_00]: But in the reality of it, like, what do these people actually think about this plan that Emily's showing them? [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so funny because like, she explains this is Jonathan and John's like, [SPEAKER_00]: Now, be a perfect time to do what you just said.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, that, what do you just say? [SPEAKER_00]: What do you just say? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we don't really know what people believed. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think in the moment where she says this to, I think it was three and I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: She's a tiff first. [SPEAKER_00]: She's a tiff.

[SPEAKER_00]: She runs this by tiff. [SPEAKER_00]: where as you also tell, I hate what people do this on the show. [SPEAKER_00]: She's her devins and tiff are sitting there. [SPEAKER_00]: And she tells, like, devins can have a moment alone with tiff. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, I hate what people do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cause it's like, it's like, you have me. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what it's a leave. [SPEAKER_00]: Like a strategize against me. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you want right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Go. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I was like weird, but yeah, and when she tells to if this plan I didn't know in the moment was like so is Emily going to work on convincing Devons to use the island her because if so I think that's a really bad plan But then when she goes back to Devons and she's like actually my real plan is [SPEAKER_00]: for you to still use the idol on yourself, but we're going to get the votes on you, so they can't flim out.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a plan I can get with, because it doesn't evolve, trying to trick devins and playing the idol on you for real. [SPEAKER_00]: So I liked her playing when we got it all explained out. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, that's really, really the best you can do in her situation.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because she knows she's a sitting duck right now, and so she's got to do what she has to do. [SPEAKER_00]: I think this was actually a good plan if it would have worked. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, spoiler alert. [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't work, but he did. [SPEAKER_02]: clap clap family that was great that was a great plan on for but unfortunately you guys you really have to have balls of steel when you say series name even if it's an idea if it's a thought be very afraid that's all you know um Tiffany tells Jonathan like they have to get Aussie she is just hell bent on um getting Aussie [SPEAKER_02]: And then I don't know what the fuck just happened because last week, Aussie was blabbing to Jonathan as Siri was saving his ass and now he's just like blabbing to Aubrey like, you know, series my number one, she has an extra vote and whatever the else is happening, I'm like, you're joking me, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is not happening. [SPEAKER_02]: A five time player. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not doing this right now. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about and labeling it [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like, talk about your ultimate. [SPEAKER_00]: How much are you also at WTF moment of like, why? [SPEAKER_00]: What got into your brain to make you think you should be doing this?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if it's his extreme level of confidence that he thinks he's running the game right now. [SPEAKER_00]: When reality, he's just been doing what's to retold him to do. [SPEAKER_00]: And Siri has been saving his ass week after week, after week without him really knowing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he has this like misplaced sense of confidence. [SPEAKER_00]: room to think like and yeah I get it the way that the groups shook out he thinks this is a no-brainer done down he's got all his allies on the side except for Aubrey Aubrey's the odd person out so he thinks [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're a student of the game, you know this never works.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you've done this, have been voted out almost immediately. [SPEAKER_00]: Where you think you have it on such a lock, you're like, oh, I'm sorry to have to see you go. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I, like the most recent version of this, I think, was like Andy talking to Rachel. [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like he's basically talking here like giving her the speech to give it to the jury members to vote for him in the finals Like he's literally like so I just want you to know like you know I had to extra vote and I gave him just a read just had it the whole time and I want to go to the aim of the story like like he starts this is like Aubrey [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I want to win so bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just like, it's basically like he's saying, please vote for me when you get to the jury. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, you know, like, he started his speech early, which it would Aubrey says, like, he tells all of his plans to Aubrey, but it's all his game and Aubrey's hands. [SPEAKER_00]: And just expects her to hold it and be like, oh man, I respect Aussie so much for telling me his whole game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Making me know that he's actually a player in this game. [SPEAKER_00]: And like, as Aussie tells us, like you said, this is jury management. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the fact that you think this is during management and not condescending at fuck is just shows you have no idea what's happening.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so this brings me to a question I've had. [SPEAKER_02]: I've listened to a lot of like, you know, people talking about Aussie's game this season. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think even on the rap recap, I- [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who this person is. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why Lauren, or who ever.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Lauren O'Connell. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had to go Google. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It was an edge of extinction, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: It was like Kelly, what works, buddy? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think she's a one who mentioned that [SPEAKER_02]: Aussie played so differently this time and is evolved and is all of the things and everybody has been saying that and I keep looking back and I'm like, I just, he's not, of course, he's not as young as he was, he's not as, you know, a statistical and all that, but in [SPEAKER_02]: event.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not playing like a vet. [SPEAKER_02]: He's not reading the room. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he made any wise moves. [SPEAKER_02]: Remember, even when they voted Mike White out, he was out. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't know he didn't want to be part of that. [SPEAKER_02]: Everything has been seri-saving his ass.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was going to make the call and then seri came back and he was like, oh, god, thank god seri came back. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just like, I know where people are giving props to him. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, maybe again, he's older and wiser, yes. [SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of the game, [SPEAKER_02]: He evolved as a strategic player.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's someone that's, I think he got a little better at rolling with the punches, but not really, because once we got out, once he got out out of my white, he had this, once again, he had this streak of vengeance. [SPEAKER_00]: And he had this, like, this is a woeist meme mentality of like, yeah, how could you do this to me?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Aussie, and like, we see that later. [SPEAKER_00]: This episode, like, how could you do this to me? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, why would you do this? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm just trying to play the game. [SPEAKER_00]: He has this like higher, like higher than mighty attitude, is that? [SPEAKER_00]: How many of them now, attitude of like, I'm a husband, you don't do that to me, but yeah, I don't think he's evolved that much.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't like he got, he got an idol gifted to him and he acts like he was out in the jungle searching for this thing like this was this idol was bestowed upon you, sir. [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't do anything to get this and you got this because they knew you would fuck it up like that's why you got it and he's acting as if he's played this huge game when I like I said earlier, I think he has just [SPEAKER_00]: inflated his ego to think that he has made so many moves when in reality it's been to re-puppeting him this whole time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think you've even realized that. [SPEAKER_02]: And for Rizzo to be able to read a room, it's just such an important skill as a survivor player. [SPEAKER_02]: And when Jeff asks, does anybody want to play that on there? [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody looks at you and you're like, loadedy, twiddledoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [SPEAKER_02]: That's a, that's a, that's a problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, of course, Aubrey goes and tells Jo and Rizzo because why we should keep that information to herself. [SPEAKER_02]: She has found her lifeline. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Aussie. [SPEAKER_02]: So they all want to vote Aussie out. [SPEAKER_02]: But you know who doesn't want to. [SPEAKER_02]: What a fucking show.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, man. [SPEAKER_00]: This is so sad. [SPEAKER_00]: This is so sad. [SPEAKER_00]: John, he's like, hey, I think it's time to get out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Joe's like, but how though? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because you don't have the votes. [SPEAKER_00]: And John, it's like spells it out for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's still like, but what are we doing without Rizzo's vote? [SPEAKER_00]: And John's like, what do you, what? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we don't need it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's fine? [SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, Joe is so out of it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he might be disoriented. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird fact. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just like, he can't get it together enough. [SPEAKER_00]: Even like realize I have the votes. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like even when they did it, I think he really wanted to be like, so do we go divins?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's just what I mean. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so, I want to act mind. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll never bring this man back. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to have like a redemption stuff again and then then bring him back. [SPEAKER_02]: But um, [SPEAKER_02]: Siri is scrambling because she knows Aussie's on the chopping block and she's like, how can I tell this man, how can I tell this man, and she's like, okay, maybe I go Rizzo, Rizzo knows exactly what Siri wants him to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like I say, regurgently, I do think Rizzo is a good player, but he's just thinking it makes sense not to save Aussie, like, let Aussie drown. [SPEAKER_02]: But I still thought that it was going to be a switch afterwards that we'll find out that he did tell him last minute. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought there was a chance.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think there's something that Brazil says a tribal that we'll get to that I think tells you a lot about what's going on and so like you don't think comes in like he's he's you know going back before he's like all right like Because when when Tiff and Jonathan like bond with a fact they both want to get Aussie out in the moments like oh don't tell three but then they do tell three history is like okay because three is the queen of [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'll go along with this right now, but I will probably try to convince you later.

[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't the way. [SPEAKER_00]: So when she first knew there's a plan, she's like, yeah, definitely. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm down. [SPEAKER_00]: But then she's thinking of her mind, how can I flip this? [SPEAKER_00]: How can I convince and this isn't the way to go? [SPEAKER_00]: And so she's like, she's like, she's like, you're scrambling.

[SPEAKER_00]: How do I say if and what do I do? [SPEAKER_00]: And she has it in this mind, because Jonathan comes and tells her, like, yeah, Joe's hesitant about the plan. [SPEAKER_00]: and Streets like, bam, that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'ma get Joe, I'ma get Jonathan to tell Joe to tell Rizzo that the plan is to get rid of Ozzy.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when Rizzo hears that it's Ozzy, and of course Rizzo's gonna save Ozzy because we're the Rizzo to Oz. [SPEAKER_00]: We're the Rizzo to Oz. [SPEAKER_00]: We're the Rizzo to Oz. [SPEAKER_00]: We're the Rizzo to Oz. [SPEAKER_00]: And like, Rizzo's like, actually, do I have to do that? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do I? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, so we go to Tribal. [SPEAKER_02]: Rick, please the idol for himself. [SPEAKER_02]: I swear to realize we're watering. [SPEAKER_02]: Was that me? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: That sad lose you the devins or I believe.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as they were talking about this plan, and as we were on Emily's side of things, as we are hatching this plan and trying to get rid of Cere, I was a little like freaking out myself because before I'd meet with side, John can land it on cause I was trying to think, like in this for some, [SPEAKER_00]: Where's Jonathan going to land?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is Jonathan going to want to get rid of Siri? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was scared for Siri at the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: And then when Jonathan comes back and says, hey, I want to get rid of Devon. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, how do you think God? [SPEAKER_00]: But then when Emily and Devon's kind of with this idle plan, I was like, oh, I'm worried again.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then when Siri says, well, I have this extra phone, I was like, oh, that's perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and I was going through all the permutations in the moment, and the thing that I was like, all right. [SPEAKER_00]: If, if, if, so replays or two votes, they put two false on each, uh, Emily and Devons, it won't matter who we play as hydrologues and they just reboot and vote whoever out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, thank God. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was, I was trying to ESP it to Cere, I don't need to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Cere's already got it all locked. [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna have this plan. [SPEAKER_00]: Probably as soon as they got on the island and saw the, the, the, the, the, the two segments.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, this is fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, even though they were just like, oh, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it was mostly Cere humoring Emily. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, yeah, like, that's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Good idea. [SPEAKER_00]: Gid Devon's a place I don't want you.

[SPEAKER_00]: When in the real time, she's like, this shit don't matter. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we already had the plan on lock. [SPEAKER_00]: I was actually vote both of them two times. [SPEAKER_00]: Whoever uses I don't, we're supposed to be the person in the revote. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, three never had a word on her mind.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that whole afternoon. [SPEAKER_00]: She was like, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, and it is like, and it wants to make us think she's worried. [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like, he probably the whole time. [SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, I'm doing this. [SPEAKER_00]: This is no problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, much like the Mr. [SPEAKER_02]: Beast episode where there was still time on the clock, so you knew that Devon's was going to make it. [SPEAKER_02]: On this time, if Siri was going home, she would be the second tribal cancel. [SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to make Siri go home first and then have like another tribal cancel.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, the, the three, the three or Emily result was little like all my mind, but the fact that Ozzy made this huge blunder to begin with, and the fact that we got this huge episode from Ozzy, like, this was a eulogy for Ozzy. [SPEAKER_00]: This was like, you could see the writing on the wall like, oh, he's out of here.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, the day 21 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, I was proud of her, but you just can't go against her, but now I just think that there's a huge retarget on devins because he went away with that and, you know, you got his 2 million, he better find an adult because one of the leads so there's one out there for you to look for now.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we better go for that. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was just going to say, oh, what was I going to say? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think if they, if they, well, it wouldn't be any different, they had gone, try to go Tiffany, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like it just went. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because you don't mess with series people because it is the same thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: You really don't. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my flaw in this game is like how you could do the math and the permutations I can't. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just watching like what's going to happen. [SPEAKER_02]: I cannot calculate anything. [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think it's a testament to Tiffany who was at the bottom a couple of weeks ago that she wasn't even in the conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, true. [SPEAKER_02]: Because usually people do that thing or it's like, oh, if we can't go for this person, let's go to someone that's close to them and cut the I don't know what that means. [SPEAKER_02]: But people do that a lot, but she's not even the conversation for that. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think she's sitting pretty far now until there's no place to hide because her disadvantage is that she's a compass.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they're sad. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: The second group comes in and Aussie is just talking like, well, [SPEAKER_02]: looking back now like Jason was saying like he wants to beat Rob's record. [SPEAKER_02]: It was a glitchy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like the whole episode was like an Aussie goodbye where he's got the dream.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got this moon with toughens and he just talked about his legacy. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like oh boy there's nothing yet and blood red letters and Aussie is out of here. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he says he's playing a different game Jonathan is like oh the fact that he said that means a lot to me I looked up to Ozzy and I was just like yeah, I want to be there with people in my corner I think Ozzy Bye Just Like you might as well get up now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not your tour because it's just stuff you say and it's a perfect ulog stuff And so the fact the riso riso talks about in like because both Ozzy and riso like their idols are very out there in public [SPEAKER_00]: And they're both talking about the fact that, you know, whether you should listen to your gut or whether because Brazil talks about listen to your gut or taking a leap of faith.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes when you're with the right people, you have to take a leap of faith. [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, almost telegraphing to Aussie, don't play your idol. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like because he's like you got to take a leap of faith aka don't play your eye at all because we got you man Yeah, yeah, you play it because you're good take a leap of faith and basically like shoving Aussies like ass out the door Do you know I'm not saving your ass you're out of here and it's I think it's a big move from risen to I don't know if it's going to be a good move Yeah, I'm going to say is that a resume [SPEAKER_00]: right to like break from seri and like this is this is a deck the right well I don't maybe he'll try spin it different but this is this is a break from the seri contingent like he's officially declaring okay I'm breaking his oath with seri but I know he'll probably try a spin it's a hurry back listen I had all the choice yeah you have run in his mouth and you know I couldn't save him this time sorry seri my bad yeah so yeah

[SPEAKER_02]: We have to remember Seri doesn't know everything. [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't know she's been outed, but thank God she's used her extra vote. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a way to spin that out. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like she's holding on to it and has to use it. [SPEAKER_02]: She has used it and [SPEAKER_02]: we can move forward, I guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that riso, like leap of faith thing was like, if Aussies was holding onto a cliff by his, like, his, by two of his fingers. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I was like, stop on those two fingers. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, got it here, go. [SPEAKER_00]: This was like, I, I clocked out in the most like, oh, yeah, that was kind of like, like, sing to Aussie.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're good, man. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't you try it all, you're all good. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that. [SPEAKER_00]: That's quite. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Aussie gets voted out again with an idol in his pocket and I'm like, come on. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was so sad, like he was in shock, I think, and I quote, he said, I had a dream about this last night.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't follow my intuition. [SPEAKER_02]: This is so sad. [SPEAKER_02]: You think we have to watch it. [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I really trusted you guys so much. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't explain how painful this is to anyone. [SPEAKER_02]: And he stood there like Jeff is just like TikTok like we got to go and he's just like all right guys And I'm like oh this was so sad, but I don't want to say he deserved to go But you can make a blunder like that like days later I was still thinking about it and I can't imagine how he feels I know he says he's been thinking about it for a year But oh that was a costly mistake that was [SPEAKER_00]: So bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, running your mouth off like that and then not using your protection is just small group of people on a tribe, like is a bad move. [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, listen, we could say, like, result didn't use his either. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, result was as confident in himself and Ozzy was at the same level of confident.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't think he realized the mistake he made by spelling out his entire game to Aubrey and being kind of condescending to her in that moment. [SPEAKER_00]: where she's going to be out for his blood now. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think Aussie realized, I don't know if three just didn't tell him, I mean, I feel like three told him every time though, your name's coming up, your name's coming up, your name's coming up, your name's coming up, you didn't realize how much, yeah, made it realize how much she was saving his ass every week or every like, every round of voting.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like how you not know that your your butt is on the line in this moment. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean he was like he was so confident with the group he got to Like I don't really blame him that much the good boy was so it was so prolonged It was like he's not there for like 10 minutes probably was like wow you guys how could you do this like again that like like Hold you're the now attitude like you did this to me the jungle boy Aussie how could you like cuz cuz it's survivor Because he does everybody is got to be somebody and it was you in his time like it is [SPEAKER_02]: But I've gone back to what you said.

[SPEAKER_02]: I will blame him. [SPEAKER_02]: The number one thing in a competitive reality show do not put your fate in other people's hands I don't care how much you trust them. [SPEAKER_02]: How much they are ally especially when you have the ability to save yourself and there's something he said in an exit interview I don't know if it was with Dalton or with my gloom where the person was like oh, if he had just [SPEAKER_02]: Um, not spoken to Aubrey and said all those things and he took accountability and was like ultimately if I just played that idol Well Aubrey will be gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it just it came down to me not playing that idol and I'm like, oh But now it's a tricky it's a tricky thing right because he's supposed to be there with all his allies [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know that all his allies were to turn him, and then that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't get comfortable.

[SPEAKER_02]: Interference. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll go down to that number. [SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, seriesman's on you. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they said you're named today. [SPEAKER_02]: They said you're named today. [SPEAKER_02]: And you win cops. [SPEAKER_02]: Like no, like we're worried about tomorrow, but let me be safe today.

[SPEAKER_02]: And also you're down to like four or five in this little tribe. [SPEAKER_02]: Which by the way, I don't like the split tribal two. [SPEAKER_02]: What? [SPEAKER_02]: Jeff is really kind of my nerves. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know why they keep doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like because as you said earlier, it's like it really boils down to luck at that point.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not able to show your skill of lying deception of like playing people when you keep switching things up on a constant basis. [SPEAKER_00]: I understand they want the game to be hard, they want the game to be this or that, but at a certain point you're leaving everything up to a football point, and that's not really fun to watch.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not fun to watch someone that has been strategizing, that has been building up a base, all season long, be cut down by randomness, like that's not fun. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and what did you think, because Jeff mentioned, because, you know, we used this philosophizing at Tribal, like it's, oh, you know, we come out here, like Jeff goes, the game is the lore, but the prize is the adventure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, bitch, the prize is a million or $2 million. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like we've lost the plot so much in Survivor, where it becomes about my story, in my journey, [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, let's stop for get like this started as like money-grubbing people wanting money. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what, that's what, that's what, that's what I'm here for like, that's why I don't think I can ever be cast on a survivor because [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a story.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a journey to go home. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, they wouldn't cast me because I don't have anything to solve. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anything to look at my inner demons about. [SPEAKER_00]: I just want money. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm broke and I want money. [SPEAKER_02]: Like is not enough?

[SPEAKER_02]: I won't be surprised if that becomes a job. [SPEAKER_02]: People who craft background stories for [SPEAKER_02]: teach everybody show people. [SPEAKER_00]: Adam Klein kind of does that. [SPEAKER_00]: He he has a service where if you go to him he will try he will help you to work on a story work on your background and make yourself as pleasing to the casting people as you can.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why Jeff hates Adam Klein. [SPEAKER_00]: Because like Adam Klein probably never be invited back to a survivor ever again because Jeff feels like it's [SPEAKER_00]: your resume craft. [SPEAKER_00]: Like an atom client will say, well, I'm just talking about how their story in the best way.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he says about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Jeff has kind of known to not like Adam and what he's doing with that stuff, but it is kind of what Adam does. [SPEAKER_00]: He takes what he takes your life and tries to make it appealing to casting producers. [SPEAKER_00]: Not just for survival, for other people.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, how rich of Jeff, not the Billie Eilish of a meringue idol that's cheaply, it's... Well, yeah, we all know that Jeff's a little stuck up about his precious little game. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's so mad about people going to other shows and all this stuff, and we know about Jeff.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's... [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought it was like... [SPEAKER_00]: It's like typical of the common day, so we were about the... Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The soup's very, very, like... [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about the money. [SPEAKER_00]: It's about the experience. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, for me, it's about the money.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's about the money. [SPEAKER_02]: Look at this on the before. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, before we wrap up, I do want to say, do we give props to Aubrey? [SPEAKER_02]: She survived this. [SPEAKER_02]: How is it? [SPEAKER_02]: How is it? [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, she's, she's someone who I think and other person who suffers from not having like a ability.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's not like a likable person. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a moment. [SPEAKER_00]: There was a moment here when Jonathan came back and was like, was trying to talk to her. [SPEAKER_00]: And she like cuts him off. [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, hey, [SPEAKER_00]: I play his game four times.

[SPEAKER_00]: You need to explain it to me. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, oh, like, I understand. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you don't want Jonathan Maynard's way into you. [SPEAKER_00]: I get this. [SPEAKER_00]: But you need to, especially someone like Jonathan, who has already a fragile alphabet. [SPEAKER_00]: You go.

[SPEAKER_00]: You need to handle him with kid-global. [SPEAKER_00]: Play the game and yeah, it was that moment and then went with Genevieve earlier this season where she's like, oh, I don't want to work with you. [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough to have allies when you're like that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's so tight.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You survived. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be because of Hazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Because Hazy stuck his foot in his mouth. [SPEAKER_00]: And without Aubrey running around telling people that that happened, I think that we got that result. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, Jonathan did, Jonathan did one hand out before that whole thing happened though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he's been on there. [SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was there for the taking. [SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't opportunity. [SPEAKER_02]: You got to try. [SPEAKER_00]: He just helped it along with what he, with what he did. [SPEAKER_00]: It was almost like the Christian body for himself.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you kind of just tipped it over to the other scale. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think, what do we think is like, I think if I'm someone like a Tiffany, [SPEAKER_00]: I think I want my group to be, if I'm thinking final four, I want Joe, I want Rizzo, and I want Suri. [SPEAKER_00]: You know why?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because when we get to a final four challenge, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So we win in it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess in a series against whoever in fire, and she's probably going to lose, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: So she's out of here, and he's a final three of Tiffany, Rizzo and Joe.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no one's going to respect Rizzo's game that I'm going to give him any votes. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone hates Joe, that I'm going to give him any votes. [SPEAKER_00]: So you are by default. [SPEAKER_00]: the winner. [SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't have to be tough. [SPEAKER_00]: It's very tough with anyone that's who you want.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're other three people to be with you in a final four. [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: No notes. [SPEAKER_00]: Like whoever you are, whether you're devins, whether you're Jonathan, try and make that alliance happen, try and do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Tiff has the best like path to it right now, because she's already in with three, and she, she, you know, is a reason with Brazil.

[SPEAKER_00]: She can be lumped in with that Aussie's out of here now. [SPEAKER_00]: You need a third, again, I'm your third, and then we'll just drag Joe along with us as the go. [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest coat of the season might be Joe. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Joe's not going to vote against her. [SPEAKER_02]: He said.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He clean. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think the risotto risotto, the devins target is just like glowing bright red. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I understand. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what could happen next episode. [SPEAKER_00]: So that won't make it. [SPEAKER_00]: Devin's. [SPEAKER_00]: Unless he wins immunity, unless he finds an idol, there is also the the the tact of, well, we can get Devin's anytime.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone's ever saying that because of Devin's reputation, Devin's reputation is he can find an idol at any time. [SPEAKER_00]: So we have to get him out now while the getting's good. [SPEAKER_02]: So where we stand right now, what's your order of who you want to win? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, series first, of course.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so who, who we look at, series first. [SPEAKER_02]: The three, the Tiffany. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for the second. [SPEAKER_00]: Me. [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know what, I would say devins, I want to win seconds over tiff for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to happen, but that's my love.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like devins of the people laugh is definitely like, maybe even of a lot of the people that were already there is playing is playing the game, how I want people to play the game. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's put Joe West, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see who else do we have?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Arizona. [SPEAKER_02]: John. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Aubrey, risen, Jonathan, and other people left, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So Aubrey, I'll put under tiff. [SPEAKER_00]: Tiff. [SPEAKER_00]: No, sorry, Jonathan, I'll put under tiff. [SPEAKER_00]: Then I'll put Aubrey. [SPEAKER_00]: And then who I'm missing after that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Reset. [SPEAKER_00]: Reset. [SPEAKER_00]: Reset over Joe. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's my story. [SPEAKER_02]: So [SPEAKER_02]: Aubrey, Rizzo, Joe. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Joe is not for me. [SPEAKER_02]: No brainer. [SPEAKER_02]: So, Siri, God, I'm torn between Devin's and Tiffany.

[SPEAKER_02]: Knowing that Devin's was my winner, our pre-conversation, pre-season conversation. [SPEAKER_02]: I had Devin's, I'm there. [SPEAKER_02]: Only because I was like, it's impossible. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think Siri was gonna be here at the site, but she is here. [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, so Siri, how for Devin's?

[SPEAKER_02]: Tiffany has a lot more opportunities. [SPEAKER_02]: Siri, Devin's Tiffany, oh my God. [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, and then, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like that. [SPEAKER_00]: I like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can definitely, I think I'm with you on Tiffany because can I say my second close close second. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for some weird reason, Aubrey, I don't know John if that's post second. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what you're right you're right actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think for some reason, I think we can have a really off-the-wall final three of like maybe a cha-thin and Aubrey and a Joe maybe. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I could see that happening for some reason. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, the streets are saying that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, yeah, I'm like, I'm gonna say you guys, let's just say they get, let's just say they get devins out next, okay?

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's scratch them off the board. [SPEAKER_00]: Then we got three-tiff, Jonathan, Aubrey, Rizzo, Joe. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how many people won two, three, four, five, six. [SPEAKER_00]: I think in that, [SPEAKER_00]: Configuration, three and tip for in trouble. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they could easily be knocked off one and two, but if can save herself, she has the ability to, but because you do it two rounds in a row, is the question, so then we are left with Jonathan, Aubrey, Rizzo and Joe, and I don't think it would be that hard to get rid of Rizzo. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but at that point, because that's a final four I'm talking about, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, okay, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So if we say, if we say Rizzo, go to, if Jonathan and Joe were a control, and they say, and they say Rizzo, go to fire against Joe, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And Rizzo's probably losing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Rizzo already lost fire. [SPEAKER_00]: It is a ritual season. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, Rizzo going against fire and Joe. [SPEAKER_00]: Rizzo is taking out. [SPEAKER_00]: There's Jonathan Aubrey and Joe for you. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, how do you feel about that five or three of people?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think people write in the streets if that's the final three? [SPEAKER_02]: That is what I saw in Threads this week. [SPEAKER_02]: Someone said Jonathan, who was it, Jonathan, Joe and Aubrey? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it. [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, what? [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, yeah, we're not likely.

[SPEAKER_02]: But then within those three, who do we want to win? [SPEAKER_00]: What's the order? [SPEAKER_00]: That's easy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much. [SPEAKER_02]: And then Joe's never going to come back again. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.

[SPEAKER_02]: You'll be like, I can't do this again. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine. [SPEAKER_00]: You have a Tyler Perry money. [SPEAKER_00]: He'd be like, I'm fine. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine here. [SPEAKER_02]: My final question for you today is, is this Aussie's final?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, when Kobe had his moment and stuff, we know, Kobe's not gonna come back, is this the end for Aussie? [SPEAKER_00]: I think it is, and Aussie kind of knows that. [SPEAKER_00]: Because he was talking to Rob in his ex-interviews. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I doubt they're gonna bring me back again.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he didn't talk about the fact that he would be down for Australia and Survivor. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think actually, Australian Survivor is much more suited to Aussie than normal Survivor. [SPEAKER_02]: Does I feel like, I'm sorry, did you say normal survived? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, it's the OG, it's terrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think it's not the last time we were seeing Aussie because Aussie, I think he's, you know, it sounded so defense mechanism of him like, you know, if it doesn't happen, he doesn't because he was also surprised that they called him for 50. [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, I didn't expect it to be, I don't want it to be, I'm surprised he still got him.

[SPEAKER_02]: How old was Kobe? [SPEAKER_02]: He was in his 50s? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 50s, maybe. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's just what? [SPEAKER_00]: 42? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean, listen, this is what, his fifth time. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know, this feels like, this feels like a great ending to the Oz we saw.

[SPEAKER_00]: If this feels like we have come full circle on the evolution. [SPEAKER_00]: of who Aussie was. [SPEAKER_00]: Aussie recognized he was not the perfect person in the beginning. [SPEAKER_00]: He felt like he may some changes. [SPEAKER_00]: His life has changed totally. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think this is a good end point for Aussie to be like, all right, we saw your journey.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we need to see you anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: We have so many other options to choose for him. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know like what else I need to get from Aussie. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think Aussie's ever coming back as a strategic powerhouse. [SPEAKER_00]: That would be the only version of Aussie that could change I want to see.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't think you will I thought it was funny. [SPEAKER_00]: They were talking about because Saru's talking about like what how can I give him the code word? [SPEAKER_00]: I was like what is the code word? [SPEAKER_00]: It's the code word. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the code word. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the code word like only fans or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like [SPEAKER_00]: Like I only want my fans to see me on this survivor like just like like Jonathan tell Ozzy that only his true fans will Understand through his gameplay just on that like that's the code word only fans [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was a great episode. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to see what Siri, how she's gonna react and she's like, oh, man, he got my boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know where Vizzo is gonna tell her, but I am... [SPEAKER_00]: So, before you before I had to head this thought, as you say. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's give our perfect scenario for us to re-win. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's clock it all out, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: We have some retif, Jonathan, Aubie, Rizzo, Joe.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan seems to be, [SPEAKER_00]: And from this episode anyway, in lockstep with those two. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay? [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with the scenario that they still have you on a thin. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with the scenario that they still have Brazil. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay? [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say, so it's a retif, Jonathan, Brazil against Aubrey and Joe, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: So at that point, we have control. [SPEAKER_00]: We can get rid of, we can rid of Aubrey next episode. [SPEAKER_00]: How about that? [SPEAKER_00]: We can all come together, get rid of Aubrey, because Aubrey is about to go this episode [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I don't think I think Rizzo is going to turn.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Rizzo is going to get her. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's three. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you'll go Jonathan over because Jonathan is a beast. [SPEAKER_02]: And he's gonna start cutting people that he thinks because Aubrey if he gets to find all if he has to go fire against Aubrey I think he feels confident but like Jonathan maybe not and Jonathan's like a threat to him and Jonathan has played again You know what's that person who we thought was playing a good game, but the dating think that they were it was a young person I don't know how they view Jonathan how they're seeing his game to us his playing a better game So I would think going in that vein that he would want to cut

[SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan out because again, the one thing I'll give Rizzo is that he has a good read, but even then we still have we also let's say let's say that maybe three realizes okay Rizzo's not with me [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me pick up Joe instead. [SPEAKER_00]: We kind of already have Joe in our screens.

[SPEAKER_00]: We took Jonathan Joe against Aubrey and Rizzo. [SPEAKER_00]: We tried. [SPEAKER_00]: We make Rizzo think he's the vote tonight. [SPEAKER_00]: We want to fush his idol. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of vote in Rizzo, we vote on Rizzo. [SPEAKER_00]: We get Aubrey out. [SPEAKER_00]: Now Rizzo does not have this idol anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And so now we're at final what? [SPEAKER_00]: say five or five now. [SPEAKER_00]: So now we take out Brazil. [SPEAKER_00]: Brazil's vulnerable. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me say, you know what, at that point, do we want to take out John? [SPEAKER_00]: Let's take out John, because John is playing a better game this season.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a comp beast. [SPEAKER_00]: He can win comps. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get out Jonathan instead of Brazil because we want to take Brazil because we want to take with us because he's going to be he's a group. [SPEAKER_00]: Does any point? [SPEAKER_00]: This will read to you if look at each other and go, see, they're you or me at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because if we're here, if we're here with Joe and Rizzo, the two goats. [SPEAKER_00]: One of us has to, it's kind of like a Kyle and Camila situation. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: One of us is going to have to go, who's going to be? [SPEAKER_00]: And so at that point, my turn to a serient Tiffany War.

[SPEAKER_00]: And serene would do it. [SPEAKER_00]: And it might come down to, it might come down to firemaking, who ever wins that firemaking like the cider vote. [SPEAKER_00]: the sides could so like I think the best situation for Siri is she somehow pulls out this final four firemaking immediately challenge and she gets to decide who goes in the fire and it's not her but a person uh uh a route that we didn't consider is Siri realizing that Tiffany might be her competition and taking her out early mm-hmm yeah I mean I think anyone's gonna do it it'll be Siri [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she'll cause serious thing and for three steps had it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and like for me, Joe and Rizzo are just those two goats that are just waiting to be slaughtered that you want to take to that finals. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I feel like there is a path. [SPEAKER_00]: There is a path for Surrey. [SPEAKER_00]: The her best path I cut out this episode with Ozzy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was her best path that yeah, because Ozzy was the only one I was really going to even consider taking her. [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, did we consider devins and all of this? [SPEAKER_02]: to take out. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I've just, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_00]: So read though, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of controlling things. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do wonder if the prevailing thought is, we'll save Serita fire making, because she's not going to make, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just wondering if people are keeping her around for just for that. [SPEAKER_00]: For that, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That is our plan to go to, we'll keep her to a fine of four.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: She's not going to make it faster. [SPEAKER_00]: We're all kind of in agreement. [SPEAKER_00]: We're sending a, we're sending Serita fire. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then she pulls it off and actually I'm so scared. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, what is that voice? [SPEAKER_02]: It was in that moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is. [SPEAKER_02]: That is tough. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that is so great. [SPEAKER_02]: I love that much. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, any final thoughts? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I got a ball. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was good. [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jason, I was a pleasure to have you here. [SPEAKER_00]: Am I back to me in favor or what? [SPEAKER_00]: Am I back? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm probation. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm probation. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to prove. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to prove. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to prove.

[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy your time at the top for now, Brian. [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm coming for you. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Jason, tell people where they can find you. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, you can also always find me on the upper-of-match podcast, M&H, well, it's exclusively on Patreon right now, talking about overseas as a major for site.

[SPEAKER_00]: We started a season 12. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, more recently, we do have seasons 11, 10 and 1 in the vault, waiting for you to just sign up to Patreon and listen to all the things. [SPEAKER_00]: So go there, sign up, you'll love our content. [SPEAKER_00]: We have great top-up on our site, M&H, well, which, if you're all this or whatever, podcast, you may recognize for M&H 47.

[SPEAKER_00]: So check me out there. [SPEAKER_00]: You can also check me out on the good pod where me and Rissa Garza We watch the show the good wife will talk about that every week. [SPEAKER_00]: We are a season five of that show We're almost done with the good wife on to the good fight. [SPEAKER_00]: We also talk about Elzbeth The current spinoff of the good wife that is airing its third season.

[SPEAKER_00]: So any of that Foto show check that out. [SPEAKER_00]: You can also find me Reast the this week. [SPEAKER_00]: I was on crime scene or then we coming up talk about worst x ever season two had a blast talk about that with marie and Sarah [SPEAKER_00]: Is that it? [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably missing something, but yeah, that's a friend. [SPEAKER_02]: Hardest working man besides Rob on podcasting. [SPEAKER_02]: Alright guys, you know, we don't find me. [SPEAKER_02]: It is also called MAFS and all the socials, patreon.com slash also call MAFS for a bonus content. [SPEAKER_02]: Just finish the tell all on 90 day fiance and hoping to get Jason to come back on to talk about the 90 day fiance OG season that's coming back on Sunday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm in soon. [SPEAKER_02]: So thanks for listening guys, until next time. [SPEAKER_02]: Bye.

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