Temptation Island S2 Eps. 7-9 w/Brian

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, everybody. [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to another episode of All To Call. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Tane, here to talk about temptation, islands, season two, the final batch episode seven, two, nine. [SPEAKER_00]: Here with me is my co-host for the season, Brian from Mass Virgin, what up?

[SPEAKER_01]: I was a gun, I, you know, I'm happy we had one couple that was a complete mess, because otherwise this is a little bit of a taking season. [SPEAKER_00]: It was. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, welcome, Brian. [SPEAKER_00]: I've been saying it's saying. [SPEAKER_00]: It has been I was waiting for somebody else to fuck up and no one ever did so like it's been pain and you know it's crazy because you know when the season ends on the last episode of a season ends and Netflix starts from the very beginning and season quote unquote one for Netflix started over and I was like oh man season one wasn't this yeah it was this this was just like oh we got one couple that was really doing what they're supposed to do and that's one and a half

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, you know, honestly, what do we have if Jack and Cheyenne were not toxic, like the most excited to be Xavier and Mikey, but even that was painful. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because all that it was kiss, so it wasn't even like we saw them go to bed together. [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to say that I feel like they filtered out anything that might happen with Sidney and Xavier, only because and I've been avoiding all the numerous lives and things they've been doing because apparently Vile Nickvile gets to reunite. [SPEAKER_00]: What does this man have over a dispute?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how does he? [SPEAKER_00]: Why is Netflix not doing their own reunion and why does Nickvile get to have the reunion? [SPEAKER_00]: This is bizarre to me. [SPEAKER_01]: he has made a deal with BL's above or something. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand how this man, who, you know, as far as I know, I've never seen anyone go, you know who I love, Nick Vyle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like nobody is like a big, like a stand for him and what he does. [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that he, like when people when they found out that they're doing what it was for the, [SPEAKER_01]: And if you on say single sided. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people were pumped. [SPEAKER_01]: They love him.

[SPEAKER_01]: They can't see what he's going to do with it. [SPEAKER_01]: There was no collective grown when he got announced for this. [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that it's Nick Bial again, I'm just like, all right, I guess I probably won't watch. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, which is another thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like apparently Ross is just for a single life, but the tell-o before the 90 days. [SPEAKER_00]: It's coming out guys. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a two-parter, and that's going to be on Patreon. [SPEAKER_00]: So watch out for that. [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be Sean's back. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Sean's for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going anywhere, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully she watched this season, who knows? [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows, who knows? [SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, Nick Valle apparently has a reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, Nick Valle and his little podcast studio is having a two-parter. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know a lot, but I'm gonna try guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna try and see if I can make it through and then give you the highlights of what happened But he even got a separate interview with Mark L. Walberg and I'm just like did he produce the show? [SPEAKER_00]: I just know he didn't so let us host the reunion Great job with it. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I'm like, you know what good for him getting the bag It's almost like his Teflon everyone says all these things about him and it's like he's getting stronger [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which again, makes me think that he made a deal because like at some point this should build a critical mass where they say, okay, that's at least giving them a break.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is like the Kevin Hart treatment you were ever without your nowhere. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you can watch. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't this cat last forever. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nothing lasts forever. [SPEAKER_00]: Hollywood, they're going to tell you something is eventually going to, I mean, I don't wish it harm anyone, but something is eventually going to happen and, you know, the right will be done.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, if we can get him and Mr. [SPEAKER_01]: Beast on the same day that would be great, it's going to matter. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, well, what did Mr. [SPEAKER_01]: Beast do? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: He just bothers me. [SPEAKER_01]: He's everywhere all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, no, I don't, I don't, I don't get the appeal. [SPEAKER_01]: So, like, get him out of here. [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine how I feel a survivor period, who is about to see me to be on so fight for. [SPEAKER_01]: I know there has been rumors that he's, like, an abusive boss, not, like, sexually harassing people.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just like an asshole to work for. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not enough to get you canceled these days. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Something needs to come out about him so we can get him out of here. [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like a rite of passage, isn't like out of Cooper going through that now with an unwell network.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ellen, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's way through that. [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: The Ellen's Cooper Alex Earl of it all. [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what's going on. [SPEAKER_01]: I barely know who those people are. [SPEAKER_01]: So like the fact that their beef is taking over my algorithm was like, I don't know one of those things, but any of this out in whose side was supposed to be on, let's just get to the end of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: these last episodes, I think to Brian's point, it was just nothing exciting. [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like getting skipped all of this and just gone to the last episode, go to the bonfire and I think we all could have predicted what was going to happen really. [SPEAKER_00]: Like if anyone had made predictions, jokes on you if you did not get it right, actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're picking up with the videos, they had just seen the videos, coalesce complaining about Scarlett's video and how it was logical. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't sent with love and he's still so confused because he's following the playbook.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's realized that he had this fear of losing her. [SPEAKER_00]: And now, voila, he doesn't have this fear anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: It's gone. [SPEAKER_00]: How do you know? [SPEAKER_02]: Great. [SPEAKER_00]: And he has nothing else to give and if that's not enough then there's nothing else to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sidney's video, she says that she has given him opportunities to put her first and expected to leave with him and now it's about Sidney. [SPEAKER_00]: This is to Mikey. [SPEAKER_00]: She does receive a video. [SPEAKER_00]: And he tells her it's been hell, I've been confused. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean pain and he believes they can work past it and keep the main thing, the main thing and he loves her today, he love her tomorrow, see you soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, my first thought when she closed that iPad was like, this reads like emotional blackmail. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, it is, it is, it is performative sadness. [SPEAKER_01]: It's, look outside, you're making me. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: And please picture this, when you go to kiss him again, it's kind of what he was doing here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And just like, look, man, she doesn't want you anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, that's a bummer for you. [SPEAKER_01]: That sucks. [SPEAKER_01]: But, [SPEAKER_01]: that's what happened here. [SPEAKER_01]: You lost. [SPEAKER_00]: It is because it was a whole bunch of nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe it's a quarterly.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like I've heard this all before. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not moving past anything. [SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I wish him the best, but he's not my person. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's too late. [SPEAKER_00]: And she's seen better now. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys, I feel way too much joy for how Sydney is moving.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's wrong if it's right, but just the way she's standing on business and it's like, I have moved on. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want you. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care. [SPEAKER_00]: I love it so much. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she found she found a better person like that. [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a bummer for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at these two guys side by side, take his hips out of it. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just look at who they are and how they behave. [SPEAKER_01]: He might be behaves like a teenage boy, like it's so sort of boisterous, and it's all for show, and there's nothing to grab onto. [SPEAKER_01]: And Xavier is like a grown, well, a game.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you usually call me down. [SPEAKER_01]: He has things to grab onto. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in terms of emotional depth, and who his man is as a person. [SPEAKER_01]: You look at Xavier. [SPEAKER_01]: He presents as a grown person who has like fully formed and can give her, you know, emotional depth where I feel like Mikey comes off like a clown.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry that she met a grown man who's interested in her, but like you lost on this one. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just again glad that she's standing on business because you should leave. [SPEAKER_00]: everything that you said and you have a better option and you show you the women are like what I love him and then we both thought that Mikey was not going to get a video but he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: He did that was surprised. [SPEAKER_00]: He tells him it's time for me to focus on me and throwing it back at him he was like to make the main thing the main thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And he can't wait to ask, and she's like, and him focusing on me, I now know what I deserve. [SPEAKER_00]: I have made myself smaller for you to shine, and now I have fun, clarity, and I wish you the same.

[SPEAKER_00]: And not a shocker, but Mikey's crying. [SPEAKER_00]: He's looks like he's in physical pain and saying, like, oh my god, there's a chance that he might leave here without her. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like a chance. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, like it's, it's been a sure thing since the first bonfire.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would have cried over this too. [SPEAKER_01]: This is sad, like your face broke. [SPEAKER_00]: He said he doesn't know, he didn't know what he was getting himself into. [SPEAKER_00]: Shiam says that she does not want a video from him, but she does get a video. [SPEAKER_00]: And oh wait, you know how we were talking about, we had them on like the Rocky and the Rock.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the cliff was just, it was just for the men. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to complain to women how to share a desk and like a little big. [SPEAKER_00]: But the men have to like, ugh, he even said so. [SPEAKER_01]: So this jacket up city and I hope you don't get shredded.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, okay, so she starts the video and Jack is all, hey, Shai, Shai, I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, please do, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I miss you without my heart. [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, I think I burst out laughing. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I didn't even know what you thought, but I did.

[SPEAKER_00]: He knows he has hurt her, but it's something they can overcome. [SPEAKER_00]: They deserve better and he wants to fix it. [SPEAKER_00]: That no matter how it ends, he's in full support of what she chooses. [SPEAKER_00]: And I forgive you for everything. [SPEAKER_01]: The audacity, the audacity of this man who is actively having sex while recording this video.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: I forgive you for what you've done to me. [SPEAKER_01]: It was I said it before. [SPEAKER_01]: It is Johnny and Chloe from before the 90 days or the other way or whatever that was, where it's just like, hey, listen, I know that I cheated nonstop. [SPEAKER_01]: If you apologize, I'm willing to take you back.

[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think you're doing? [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I was like, what the heck was this? [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, to your brain, say he's having sex with them, they never showed him actually having sex, but I think Carter, you know, again, the show's done, everyone's making their play for what shows can I do next, so everyone's talking.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Carter said something about, I think she had an interview with positively and sensor, shout out to friend of the pot, [SPEAKER_00]: They had an overnight date where they said it was much steamier and we didn't get to see it. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, going back to my point where I feel like they might not have shown us if Sydney and a Xavier went even further because I remember when they went into, we haven't talked about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: When they go over to the other villa and we see a picture where she's sitting on him, both of them are kissing and I was like, oh, we never saw that. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it feels like, [SPEAKER_00]: If there was an overnight either, they just chose not to tell that story, maybe so no one sees her as a villain because I don't know how they crafted it, but in another world, Sydney would be seen as a villain, but she's not, maybe that's just me.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't see her that way. [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a lot of online discourse where she is the villain, and I'm like Is it by me? [SPEAKER_00]: Is it by men? [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so because I don't know how many men are in the reality TV Facebook groups that I belong to I don't think is that many of us.

[SPEAKER_01]: I I think what my listeners ship looks like I can get a reflex that [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's a lot of a lot of my mom falls into this, too. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of women who are heartbroken for how sad Mike is and it's not, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not about she's doing something wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's look at how devastated you're making this man and that makes you the villain. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, [SPEAKER_01]: he's devastated because he came in here thinking he was the table is going to be turned. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course I'm going to get women who won hook up with me and I'm going to have a great time and she would never consider.

[SPEAKER_01]: try to go with anybody else and then he watched what happened. [SPEAKER_01]: She's not a villain. [SPEAKER_01]: She found a better person to be with. [SPEAKER_01]: This is not Jack and Cheyenne where Jack is like, oh, they're going to go with some ass. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me jump on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is she found a better version to be like I get it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I people a sad number of people do see her as the villain. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, to make her look less like a villain, maybe they made a choice not to show if they shared a room, share the bed, if they weren't further, I think there's a possibility that that might have happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, Shia laughs and she laughs because that's the only thing to do. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you do to that video that was so disingenuous, honestly? [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think I, that's the worst part. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's being honest and open about how he feels, but because we've only seen him be performative, we can't take him seriously.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's her problem. [SPEAKER_01]: She can't take this man seriously. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, further down, I would tell you why this man is not being honest. [SPEAKER_00]: He's not being honest. [SPEAKER_00]: He's just saying what he thinks he needs to say at this point. [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe also a little bit thinking about public perception at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot. [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot go move with two different women in the villa and then come in and try shy. [SPEAKER_00]: Not even a shy, a shy, a shy, not. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that part is fair. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which one to make of it because like on the one hand [SPEAKER_01]: I could see if it's like, okay, so I sampled the forbidden fruit and I shouldn't done that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so now, like, I regret what I've done. [SPEAKER_01]: I have all the confidence in the world that as soon as I'm recording that video, he's going to go make out with somebody, like, yeah, I don't, I just don't think that he's like a mature enough person to be in a relationship as a serious, and it's only this serious because they've been together for so long.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, since they were high school, which is very important to note, but you don't have to realize that on the flip side of it, if I leave her, who's going to pay my rent? [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: It financially take care of me because it wasn't. [SPEAKER_01]: We saw the summer goes later on, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to let this down. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't said blatantly, but we can unfair confidently that she's won carrying the relationship finance. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just saying, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to find something I have to do that he's just gonna find another girlfriend with a place and moving with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I fumbled the bag. [SPEAKER_00]: So Cheyenne says like this is proof that she has outgrown him. [SPEAKER_00]: Jack walks out, does the whole rock sits on the rocks, opens the box, there's no video. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what? [SPEAKER_00]: I love this too. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I liked this.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only change I would have had. [SPEAKER_01]: Put a spring loaded snake in there, put some moths in there, make it real comical. [SPEAKER_01]: I like opening up with like one of those bang fake guns or something like really, really shame him when he opens his box up. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you thought.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm him, I'm relieved it didn't get a video. [SPEAKER_01]: It's good. [SPEAKER_01]: You're cousin at me. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not good. [SPEAKER_01]: You're saying like, oh, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: We can work it out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he was relieved. [SPEAKER_00]: But to your point, maybe they need to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because they started that with that challenge and traders. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not getting a video, you get a jack in the box thing and you open it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Spring's out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It gives me confetti cannon, something, something comical, a pot of fates.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then he says, oh, it's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not mad. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get a video. [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay that she has moved on. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I feel like right now, then he goes to the girls and he's just like, well, it's time for Jack to show out. [SPEAKER_00]: This is why I say he wasn't being honest.

[SPEAKER_00]: Five minutes ago, he was like, we can move on. [SPEAKER_00]: We're okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry if I asked, wait, did he even apologize? [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, oh, yeah, no, I forgive you. [SPEAKER_00]: Not hitting a apologize. [SPEAKER_02]: He's just doing a apologize. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then now it's like, well, I was being stifled anyways. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to be selfish. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to be myself and it's good that she's moved on. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's too conflicting messages within the span of like five minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: So he wasn't. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just accurate. [SPEAKER_00]: What is the best thing I can say right now until we get to the bonfire. [SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_01]: What am I supposed to say here? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what am I supposed to say? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Mark shows up and tells them like each villa and tells them that they're each going to the other villa and he's very vague and we have no idea what to expect.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll take a break here and then we'll come back and see what actually happened. [SPEAKER_00]: And we're back. [SPEAKER_00]: So I my self wasn't sure what how this was going to play out. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that they were going to leave the temperatures and temperatures in each house.

[SPEAKER_00]: They should have conversations ask questions and see what's happening and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: But that didn't happen because why it's a tame season. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that everyone's gone and they just I don't know Maybe they told the girls to leave some stuff because they all happen to have their Pictures laying out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So but that's going to all the different bedrooms and it [SPEAKER_00]: just so happened that they each knew which one was their girl's rooms and they were there and Mikey finds a picture of Sydney and Xavier kissing. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the picture I mentioned that we haven't seen before.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also he's his clothes in her room and that's what I mean. [SPEAKER_00]: Like if he's spending time in the room we never saw that. [SPEAKER_00]: We never even saw like an innocent spooning kissing or whatever in the bed. [SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: He's mad that his relationship is over, but I got to tell you, Brian, I know this is a new thing also for the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't done this before. [SPEAKER_00]: This really felt like an invasion of privacy. [SPEAKER_01]: Really did. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: And it gets worse, but yes, it's not like very much an invasion of privacy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was just Iki and I'm just, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a rule they won't they to their relationships. [SPEAKER_01]: Then we could have had that. [SPEAKER_01]: But he were just like, okay, so it's Mikey going to go get suned by Xavier and that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be able to hold his own against this guy. [SPEAKER_00]: No, but no, even if it was platonic, I think that would still have been helpful.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think making them go through their stuff, the privacy besides it being [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the embodiment for, and this is completely hypocritical, because the show at its best is not the best idea for any couple, but it's not a healthy habit. [SPEAKER_00]: You should never be snooping through your partner's stuff, and if you feel that inclination, I don't know what to tell you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So encouraging that to find out clues. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if the guys are there and the rules are like, you can ask them anything you want to, but it's actually a discretion if they want to answer you or not, truthfully or not, it's like the clip. [SPEAKER_00]: I can say the person's answer could be, yeah, you're going to have to ask her.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a conversation between her and her. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather not discuss anything, or you could just be like, well, we had a great time last night, and that's what I'm going to say about that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just a question and have that conversation, but even if it was platonic, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say Julian, who was getting along with something? [SPEAKER_01]: Is that some, yeah? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And who's someone's got Kaylee? [SPEAKER_00]: It's talking to her and he's like, you know, what piece of if they're mature enough and don't see them as competition?

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, what do you see about him? [SPEAKER_00]: Like with fresh eyes, like not in the relationship, what is the number one piece of advice you [SPEAKER_00]: that he would say, like, he would want me to work on, or relationship to work, something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have to be, like, actual couples.

[SPEAKER_00]: It could be like the person they bonded with the most. [SPEAKER_00]: And from your conversations, what do you think? [SPEAKER_00]: They, it just could have been better than having grown men coming to good men and women and snooping through. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, really, now that I'm thinking about it, I could have really enlightening for Scarlet and Cole, because Cole seems to be convinced he has gone through some kind of metamorphosis and learned so much and changed so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Scarlet sees none of that. [SPEAKER_01]: So if there were girls there, that Scarlet could have talked to, platonic friends of his and said, hey, what changes have you seen in him? [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen him do any introspection? [SPEAKER_01]: As he talks differently about [SPEAKER_01]: our relationship and what his responsibilities and faults are.

[SPEAKER_01]: That could have been useful for her. [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, we just get dudes being gross creeps, snooping through shit, and then destroying pictures because they're mad. [SPEAKER_01]: This was not good TV at all. [SPEAKER_00]: Jack also finds pictures of Cheyenne and Preston, and then Jack and Mikey [SPEAKER_00]: they pocket pictures.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, you want to stare at your look at it later with other like, he sends coal finds Scarlett's notebook, her journal and he's not sure whether to read it or not. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys will not believe and this is what we saw. [SPEAKER_00]: I always imagine like with the edits, it's like, [SPEAKER_00]: shortened for a benefit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how long this man agonized about it, but he kept going back and forth like should I do it? [SPEAKER_00]: Should I not he goes to summit and something is like, um, it's not my problem. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wouldn't but that's why you stop asking me I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Cole is like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Will she get mad? [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, Cole doesn't make a decision without factoring. [SPEAKER_00]: Am I going to be called to the principles room with the principle being, um, scarlet? [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have his own [SPEAKER_00]: consciousness, he's on mind, like, is this wrong?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want this to be a thing for ever in my relationship? [SPEAKER_00]: Because once you read that, forever and ever you read her journal. [SPEAKER_00]: Especially since he seems to have a rule back home about not reading journals. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you're in a villa, but the circumstances didn't change.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he even goes so far to the point to say, well, I hope they don't show us in the bonfire that might show up to her in the bonfire, like, okay, then don't do it. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I probably told you before. [SPEAKER_01]: I plug in my wife's phone every night when she follows us leave because she never, she never goes to sleep.

[SPEAKER_01]: She follows even better every night. [SPEAKER_01]: I plug up her phone so it's not dead in the morning. [SPEAKER_01]: I have every opportunity while she is fully unconscious to go through her phone. [SPEAKER_01]: never even been like tempted to maybe do it like no, I'll plug it up. [SPEAKER_01]: I will go to bed.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think about it. [SPEAKER_01]: So like the fact that he was agonizing over this, I'm just like, your relationship's already dead. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't trust her, she doesn't trust you. [SPEAKER_01]: It's over. [SPEAKER_01]: You should even be considering doing this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean in case you guys didn't know he went ahead and he read it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So of course he did he did. [SPEAKER_00]: The girls go over to the boys villa and they're in the confessional and they call the guys villa. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Sydney was one of the who said it. [SPEAKER_00]: They was a trap house. [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I was like, the rest of the girls know what she means, but she does that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a trap house. [SPEAKER_01]: I can see big of a frat house. [SPEAKER_01]: Like a trap house. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no bare mattress on the floor. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no mold. [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a trap house. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Chiant takes Jax Cologne and she was like she wants to dump it out and I was like, how are you going to do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: How do you dump Cologne? [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think she figured that out and is like, oh, I'm just going to spray it until it's done. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, what? [SPEAKER_01]: For what? [SPEAKER_01]: For what? [SPEAKER_01]: Like judge him because he wears too much Cologne. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I get that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's weird to me to dose yourself. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, [SPEAKER_01]: to throw it out or to like spray it off from what what are we doing? [SPEAKER_00]: You know it's better if you just even want to smash it, but you just keep spraying and spraying and spraying it's like I don't know it was just pointless.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hiding it perhaps but for that Coldroom is just like him. [SPEAKER_00]: It's boring. [SPEAKER_00]: It's neat. [SPEAKER_00]: It's tidy and Kaley is in summer's room and he's like I love you and I'm like this girl is not going anywhere but for the person who shit talks a boyfriend though most [SPEAKER_01]: the most.

[SPEAKER_00]: This girl is the one that's like lost in the sauce the most. [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, they take some photo booth pictures and that was about it. [SPEAKER_00]: It really wasn't. [SPEAKER_00]: That was it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The boy's take pictures give them the finger and they rip up pictures.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess because they're children. [SPEAKER_01]: This is not, this is not how a mature adult acts. [SPEAKER_01]: No wonder all your girls want to leave [SPEAKER_00]: Um, when they both returned to their villa, Scarlet notices that her journal was gone through and I was like, And now make sense why Cole was paranoid at the point.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why is he so pretty? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you want to read it, if you don't then drop it and just walk away. [SPEAKER_00]: But she says like, they do have a rule at home that they never go through that. [SPEAKER_00]: But then I also remember that she said in her video, I wish we didn't have all these rules holding us back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Man, she was all over the place. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I think. [SPEAKER_01]: It felt to me like she really wanted to go there and have him cheat on her so that she could have a clean break and this book, okay, you did what I knew you were gonna do so I'm out. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she's just like, I wish we didn't have this fucking rule and then later on we hear how strict the rules are and I'm like, why did you come on the show then? [SPEAKER_01]: You made insane rules, that made it so you couldn't do the show. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, my key as usual whenever they come back from any excursion like the bonfire or like this to be like changes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like to call it He's always the first to be like, oh, it was a great one. [SPEAKER_00]: It was this to his amigas and then he cries again [SPEAKER_00]: and then he shows them the pictures and then he says he feels really tricked into coming here that he's such a great person and then why would this happen and like this man is so dramatic like lays down guys puts his head on jacks lap and jacks lap [SPEAKER_00]: Like for Jack to cradle his head and then he goes over to some its room.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know a bunch of them something and cold they couldn't sleep alone. [SPEAKER_00]: They're so devastated by this pictures that they saw it and Mike is like, oh, I can't sleep on myself. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's he's not even sleeping on a bed. [SPEAKER_00]: He's sleeping on like a window.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like a cat with it you have a perfectly good bed. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you are totally devastated by this bitch fucking stupid. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess so weird and performative again performative Yes, you could sleep in your bed. [SPEAKER_01]: If you can sleep on top of a shelving unit You can see pin your bed in your comfortable room by yourself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's sad. [SPEAKER_01]: I get that but like Are you gonna be less sad sleeping on a wooden surface? [SPEAKER_00]: don't get it. [SPEAKER_00]: I just like, you know, you have space and you have a perfectly good bed that's at the point where I mean, besides him sleeping on the bench, then we had Cole also like, sites at Stepping with Summit and like, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were chatting at his, I don't get it. [SPEAKER_00]: Had a good night's sleep, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sure. [SPEAKER_01]: And like for me, I hug all my friends when I see them, hug my guy friends when I see them. [SPEAKER_01]: I've never had a friend of mine put his head in my lap.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what physical response I would have to that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what you do with this. [SPEAKER_00]: You never have it once. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let me take another break and I'll be back with the last bone fire clips. [SPEAKER_00]: And we are back.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I realized that I think might have gone through the same rotation every single time. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't pay attention. [SPEAKER_00]: In that order, they started with Jack every single time. [SPEAKER_00]: It was always Jack. [SPEAKER_00]: So, Jack's clip is, you know, Shyan saying, like, fuck that guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about him. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even see him as a good person anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: And now, I will say that. [SPEAKER_00]: Preston says, I can't wait to see what happens here. [SPEAKER_00]: And potentially, outside of here, when he's talking to Shyan, [SPEAKER_00]: Instead, she says, it's been amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for my massage. [SPEAKER_00]: And then she goes like, quick kiss. [SPEAKER_00]: She wants to draw back really quickly, so I'm like, huh. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the face turned immediately after the kiss was a dead giveaway to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember also when they were in bed, and she was like, I'm going to have to start talking to other guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be so weird. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, Preston is right beside you over there. [SPEAKER_01]: But he was her revenge hookup. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, now it's like, well, damn, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, he said that she's made a decision. [SPEAKER_00]: It seems and they can mutually agree that, you know, they're better off without each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, going back to his video and it was fake. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't real and that, you know, he's used to this. [SPEAKER_00]: Like she just never speaks highly of him. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, nothing new here. [SPEAKER_00]: He always seems on face every time you watch his video.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other guys are like, you always see Mikey, always like, dude, that was so bad. [SPEAKER_00]: Like what? [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just like, I mean, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give a shit. [SPEAKER_00]: what I know. [SPEAKER_00]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like your anyway, so it's fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my keys video, of course, was her date with Xavier. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they went on dates earlier. [SPEAKER_00]: And is there beach on their date on the beach? [SPEAKER_00]: Saying like she shouldn't have to settle. [SPEAKER_00]: They have a secret hand shake. [SPEAKER_00]: My God.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do an elaborate secret hand shake. [SPEAKER_01]: It could be a then and they're sound effects and the whole line. [SPEAKER_00]: And they seal everything with a kiss as the sun sets behind them. [SPEAKER_01]: and Mikey wants to drink poison. [SPEAKER_01]: Just get it over with. [SPEAKER_00]: He says she lied on screen saying that he gave the bear minimum, but if he gave the bear minimum, why did she just text his mom saying like, I love your son, he gives me the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Mikey is like, um, he turns to marketers like, can you help me or something? [SPEAKER_00]: Mark is like, it hurts you to hear that. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, but, you know, she found somewhere else. [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the episodes where Mark is trying to tell him, like, as much as your surprise, trust me.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's just a surprised. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's like, listen, man. [SPEAKER_01]: She did not think she was going to come in here and find a perfect specimen of a man who treats her better than you. [SPEAKER_01]: Oops, I kind of know what you want me to tell you. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't help you with this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Because Mikey still insists, like she tricked me. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a coming here. [SPEAKER_00]: She's ready to meet someone. [SPEAKER_01]: You never loved me, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Mark is like permission to give you perspective. [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, when you came here, things were not firing on all cylinders.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the common denominator with all these men. [SPEAKER_00]: They have vastly different perspectives of their relationships. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're all saying, [SPEAKER_00]: We were so good, and I'm like, guys, on a base level, being good, you will not be on this show.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, besides fact, I wanted to be an influencer, but you would not be other shows for that team. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Other shows with lower stakes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to have had something, even if you're trying to fool producers for the producers to pick up on them, but like, oh, you're basically, you audition and you beat other couples [SPEAKER_00]: on this show.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I like we could perhaps thousands of other couples who are the worst shape and the most like, you know, she don't each other. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're not great when you got here. [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like Trader. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like when people are still in the game and they're like, oh, someone must be protecting me.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, if the longer you stay, it means you're so bad. [SPEAKER_00]: They just have to [SPEAKER_00]: if you made it on the show, that means that they saw something in you that was enough to be cast for a show with the premise of temptation island. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so, they would have learned a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: the unexpected happened and that he should consider that it was unexpected for her and he wasn't tricked and he's like fine I'm just gonna listen I'm gonna listen to understand and instead of listening to respond and you know how we also know that these guys say the things that they think we want to hear we hear a lot of the lines that they say over and over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Once they say, I want to listen to this time, we're going to hear him say this again to Sydney when Jack says, oh, I'm growing a coal whoever owes some it. [SPEAKER_00]: When they say, oh, I need to be better. [SPEAKER_00]: They say the same lines over and over and over again, because that's what they rehearse.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they think, oh, is this a sound like something Mark would say? [SPEAKER_00]: I think I should go with that or they take a line that Mark has told them and then they say it again and like, oh, [SPEAKER_00]: Emotional death. [SPEAKER_00]: That's me. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's I have a can to phrase that I'm going to spit out perfectly that is supposed to sound legit until you realize it sounds like nothing I've ever said before. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't come off real at all. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Some it's clip is [SPEAKER_00]: her saying that she hopes that he reflects and it feels like he doesn't know what he wants.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the guys turn around to him and I'm like, oh, that's a good one. [SPEAKER_00]: You can do that. [SPEAKER_00]: You can do that. [SPEAKER_02]: You can do that. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God. [SPEAKER_00]: And Mark is like, he didn't say this. [SPEAKER_00]: This is my interpretation. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, guys, please, let me do my job.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell him, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Good one. [SPEAKER_00]: I got it. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you how, then he's like, how did that make you feel? [SPEAKER_00]: That's the worst part you can ask someone because one. [SPEAKER_00]: It's either you actually feel something and then you have to articulate it or you don't feel anything like oh shit I'm supposed to feel something.

[SPEAKER_00]: We did just tell me it was a good one. [SPEAKER_00]: Should I feel bad? [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, when I hear it, especially the way that Mark says it, it reminds me of like an old therapist that I'm had and I'm like, oh, you are listening at all the way I said, I'm talking and you realize I stopped talking and you were zoned out and like, oh, how's it making feel?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're not paying attention at all. [SPEAKER_01]: That's how it feels back. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So he's scared whether he can give her what it is that she wants. [SPEAKER_00]: And Mark is like, well, what do you want? [SPEAKER_00]: Then he was like, you know, to make her a priority.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Mark is like, I know she said that. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's the things that she's been saying. [SPEAKER_00]: That she wants you to make her a priority. [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like you want to want to make her a priority. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I always say there's a Simpsons reference for everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a scene where Bart says, I can't promise I'm going to try, but I'll try to try it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what this is. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and this guy's like I said, they don't have the depth to process. [SPEAKER_00]: So when Mark puts them on the spot, you can see the wheels turning just like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I don't want to sound stupid.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they say whatever it is they say. [SPEAKER_00]: So he says, like, eventually I want to be that person to settle down, but it's just been a year. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he asked Mark, is it okay if I tell her that we should slow down, and Mark says, Obviously, I'll be actually done. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, these people, these people are not to be in relationships.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Cole's clip is Scarlet saying that she doesn't know what the right decision is, that it's the same old shit that they go through and it's just like she's just not feeling, what is it that she said, the fiery feeling and she doesn't know what to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Cole is like, I don't know how to take this and then he repeats what he says before when he's all the video.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that fear of losing her anymore and then Mark is like, well, [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, are you gonna, I mean, I just, I have scarring Nicole. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I glaze over when they come in like, so Mark tells them that tonight is the last night with the single women and the women are going to be leaving the villa.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when I realized that this season was so tame, they didn't even send anyone home. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I was like, oh, shit, it's over. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was, I was like, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I was ready for the final, like, fun fire, like, just skip over this.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, we see how the girls point fire to go through, we start we shine in, and this is Jack telling them after the video that it's time for him to show out, that she took his personality away, then when he's with the Ascenia, she's like, who's the best kisser in the house, he's like, you're the best kisser.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's question like he can't even stick with the same girl and Mark says well, okay, great But what do you think of the first sentence when he says he's not being himself and she's just like If he was miserable, why didn't he leave and Mark in summary is like the same could be said about you like why didn't you leave?

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, you can keep saying he is a loser. [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a man when he cheated and it's clear to see that you didn't leave him when he cheated All you so it is less about fidelity and a ballful feeling needs and for the first time I think we saw Cheyenne speechless Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what are you gonna say?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is not about me. [SPEAKER_01]: This is about him I was like, what are you gonna say like he be nailed around that one? [SPEAKER_00]: Sidney's clip with Mikey. [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, Mikey's clips are the same thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Him just spitting, non, wait, spitting platonic words with, I rotate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't one of his amigas modern likely in India and like it's almost always in India. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you help me a more into my emotions. [SPEAKER_00]: You make me grow. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not romantic yet. [SPEAKER_00]: That yet is very like, why do you need to say that? [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he says crying when he says that he didn't strict and stuff and Sidney, again, standing on business and she's like, you know, I feel sad that he's hurting, but it was not my goal.

[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a better and I've moved on, but I had seen her. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry to that man, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: She had nothing to say to him. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Kaylee watches some it with his date with Julianne on the beach and just saying like you know he's in the best head space. [SPEAKER_00]: This is one of those tricky ones because very clearly and obviously some it and Julianne are just Plotonic there's nothing there and he's just saying like you're in the best head space.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happiest when I'm talking to you. [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, she was saying if we're in the real world. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, huh, you know, fake world, but I get what they're saying good. [SPEAKER_00]: If we're in the real world, I'll be down, I'll be open to it, and again, it's simple to talk to me, but Kaylee is like, huh, seems like someone is falling for him, and I knew everyone would see his amazing qualities, and again, Brian, I told you, this is my problem with Kaylee.

[SPEAKER_00]: All Kelly does. [SPEAKER_00]: It says he says this. [SPEAKER_00]: He says that. [SPEAKER_00]: He's so terrible. [SPEAKER_00]: He makes me feel nothing up with this. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like it's almost like she hears herself and she's like, oh my god, I shouldn't say this. [SPEAKER_00]: I should say nice things about him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she's like, I knew everyone was sees amazing qualities. [SPEAKER_00]: What amazing qualities? [SPEAKER_00]: What is the block that stops you from seeing it if it allegedly exists? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's why I feel like a lot of her issues are self-imposed. [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it I think is she has her own insecurities.

[SPEAKER_01]: Summit does nothing to combat those. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Do it a thing to try to help her with those. [SPEAKER_01]: He plays into them, whether he knows it or not. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think it is as [SPEAKER_01]: That was threat word as overt as she makes it out to be, yeah, I think that I'm sure he said a handful of things over the years that are over the year, how will I be together seven months, whatever, that like have really stuck with her.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the way that she portrays it is like he kicks in the door, but it is a hit your fat and like walks away here, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I think she's got her own issues that she needs to sort out. [SPEAKER_01]: And when she sees him with other women's, oh, yeah, no, he's, he's really not that bad, which like, whether he is or not, that's why you came on the show because the way that he acts towards you is not helpful to how you need to feel about yourself.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so a lot of you can treat somebody else with nice, doesn't really do anything for you. [SPEAKER_00]: So see Brian now you've confused me because remember that was my take when I was like is it a case of like Kaylee has stuff she needs to sort out and she's interpreting it differently like he's doing stuff He's not Scott get all and you said no, I think he's doing the things that she said that she's saying [SPEAKER_00]: No, because you convinced me and I was like, you know what you're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like she has it like even if she's I don't want to say exaggerating it And then she's interpreting it that way the ground is laid like he's doing something either way He's doing something so yeah, I got your point and then now you're making me spin out again And I'm like damn it. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to spin my brain around [SPEAKER_01]: The way that I put it is he's probably said three or four things over the duration of their relationship that we're probably out of line and then a lot of other things that could be neutral that if she didn't already have these insecurities would not be affected.

[SPEAKER_01]: But knowing that she has these concerns already feel a whole lot worse than they might be because clearly he has no knowledge of anything he's done wrong towards or he's like I don't know I don't get it I don't do anything bad so he's missing something entirely [SPEAKER_00]: But he's also back and forth because on one hand it's almost like he's saying oh I did say this I probably shouldn't have said it and then on the flip side when he gave that example it was like oh I want to build my butt Oh do squats and she's like oh and then she's like oh you think I have a small butt is that what you're saying and we're like okay so which [SPEAKER_00]: Is it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't know they're confused a couple. [SPEAKER_00]: I get whatever it's just if you are going to stay with your partner And you think they're shitty. [SPEAKER_00]: You look weird or you look silly when you're just like saying all these things and you're the person who's choosing to stay with them so [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so when she says everyone will seize amazing qualities.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I didn't remember the first episode when she was like, oh, I'm a strong woman. [SPEAKER_00]: I can do that. [SPEAKER_00]: I have no insecurities and then the flip. [SPEAKER_00]: She confided to her therapist guys act and was like, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel good enough, I feel insecure, I feel, and it's just like now in my brain, Kaylee and some it are unreliable narrators, because I don't know who is what, but they understand each other, but on the outside, it's like, can we keep it consistent so we can go along with it?

[SPEAKER_00]: But Mark does tell her, like you want you to make your priority, but are you doing the same for yourself? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, you're right, you're right, um, Scarlet's video is her watching Cole saying that he loves her so much, he's so ready to be transparent and Cole is tortured, Cole does not enjoy this experience at all, at least Mikey has his amigas, his friends at Cole is in pain, the entire time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know he's beating himself up, but looking at that journal, so that on top of everything else, so he's just ready for this to be over. [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, she, Scarlet says like, we had boundaries, our boundaries were like, don't do anything physical. [SPEAKER_00]: But now she realizes that she puts things on coal.

[SPEAKER_00]: And what does she need is that she's not, she's not getting the things that she needs. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's making her put this, you know, little lies and things in the forefront, but it's really other things. [SPEAKER_00]: And Mark says for her to note that, um, you noticed that he's afraid of you and afraid of confrontation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just like, yeah, I see that, but ultimately the things that she values most of what's missing. [SPEAKER_00]: And she just doesn't know if she can get over her distress of him. [SPEAKER_01]: So I would I get. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and if that is the case, break up. [SPEAKER_01]: Like the answer to all these couples is this breakup.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's another person who's also checked out, but just doesn't know how to, you know, get out of it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: So Jack seeks out Scarlet for advice on how to handle the final bonfire. [SPEAKER_00]: Jack is like, it's too exhausting to think. [SPEAKER_00]: Just tell me what to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: right give me instructions please he says how he has moved has been messed up in the house and she's like No, you came here to find yourself you were just going through the experience. [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine And then he tells her that he's emotionally attracted to her. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, Jack.

[SPEAKER_01]: Come on man What are you doing? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Bradley shares his feelings with Scarlett. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm torn. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't romantic [SPEAKER_00]: but it was like platonic, but like he loves her as a person, but I'm like that girl don't like him like that. [SPEAKER_00]: So it just keeps her cringy to watch him saying, I just do wanna leave the house without you knowing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, if you're trying for extra time or she's not picking you for sure, but if you're trying to make a mark, so people remember you for future reality TV shows, this is not it at all. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. [SPEAKER_01]: It's as though he was making a play for two out-to-handle and I'm like, no, you missed the market entirely, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: You, this was bad. [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it really was. [SPEAKER_00]: Bradley's one of those people were going to see a cast list and they'd be like, Bradley, temptation out and they were like, whoo? [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, is that? [SPEAKER_00]: We suddenly see Summit talking to his mom on the phone and then he's crying and his mom was like, are you okay?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, it was emotional. [SPEAKER_00]: He was missing his mom. [SPEAKER_00]: All I could think about Brian was like, all I want to ask his mom is, why did you name him summit? [SPEAKER_00]: What is the origin of this thing? [SPEAKER_00]: Why, like, how did we get here?

[SPEAKER_00]: This is all I want to know, deep down. [SPEAKER_01]: The only answer is going to make it worse. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because he's the tipi top. [SPEAKER_01]: He's the peak. [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no good answer for this. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear her say it out of her mouth. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear her say it out loud, so his mom says, you know, the thing is, are you worried about the fact that you don't know if you can settle down, his mom says before you settle down with someone, you want to be tempted to the fullest and I'm like, temptation is not finite.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't like, you go out to the world and it was like 10th to me world and then yeah okay I'm done stop tempting he doesn't work I did I beat the temptation final boss, no one can ever tip me ever again That's how this goes What also I was trying to figure out is how does mom feel about Kaley that's also what it because she seems like [SPEAKER_00]: You're so young, you don't need to do that and there's like if you're questioning what you need to do You need to do was best for you when people say that that is a nice way of saying run Yeah, no, I think I think mom is like look if you wind up with Kaylee like All right, but also not like oh she's the one for you why are you on this show like you already have a great thing going

[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't even one, you know we love Kaley. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's funny, whatever you'd decide, there was none of that. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I just don't understand why it was so rigid. [SPEAKER_00]: Why does it have to be forever? [SPEAKER_00]: They've only been like, they've known you at all one year.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is your younger relationships. [SPEAKER_00]: Back in relationship ever, why does it have to be, well, we have a Kali 24 guys, why does it have to be? [SPEAKER_00]: We have to get married, married, your bus. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's so much pressure to put on a relationship on a commitment fold to like just enjoy your relationship and everything else will be organic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're too young, they're too young as people and too early in their relationships, to be talking in these absolutes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, also, I think a lot to have their phones or something, just having a special circumstance. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know because my first thought was, oh, you have your phone.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can't sleep. [SPEAKER_01]: Put on some white noise. [SPEAKER_01]: I prefer brown noise. [SPEAKER_01]: Put some noise on and we'll put on a sleep. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't, don't, don't stare at the ceiling all night. [SPEAKER_01]: Put some noise on. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's my point. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they have their phones.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so, but I'm just like, why do they give to him? [SPEAKER_00]: Give it to me. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't get it together. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was like, I need to talk to my mom right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe they had like a family moment and the way they edited it, they just kept his.

[SPEAKER_00]: Show it as he had. [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else's, because we know we wouldn't be able to get a complete scene from Mikey at all. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he would just, the phone would start ringing. [SPEAKER_01]: He would just like wail into the phone in the camera. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, he broke my secret to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, the wedding, like it would just be a whole thing, like no one needs to hear that out of you. [SPEAKER_00]: She's at front row with you, ma. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, um, they seem to buy it to each other in each of the villas. [SPEAKER_00]: It seemed very emotional. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the guys were really crying.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys said, Sydney, she cried more saying bye to the guys, versus the combined times of her watching Mikey on the clips. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she has done, she has realized this man is not good enough for me and I have wasted some time here. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, and honestly, if we didn't have enough proof that Mikey was not the one for Sidney, uh, the straw hit the hit, what is it?

[SPEAKER_00]: straw hit the camels back for me? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: the straw that broke the camels back there you go. [SPEAKER_00]: The straw that broke the camels back for me is that in the hottest days in Hawaii where everyone isn't bikinis, the shortest shorts ever just trying to stay cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mikey shows up in gray sweatpants in Hawaii. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: with a t-shirt under a shirt as it is in the same place in that weather. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know how you have your rational eggs. [SPEAKER_00]: That was an egg for me. [SPEAKER_00]: It's one thing you've been wearing like light sweatpants was a great thick sweatpants.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nope. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: In fairness, they did seem to be there during a monsoon. [SPEAKER_01]: It rained non-stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but on this particular day. [SPEAKER_00]: It was not crazy, everybody else was like all the guys were like their shirts were a buttoned and all that stuff again He could wear pants.

[SPEAKER_00]: He just didn't have to think grace When she opened a park a puffer jacket again. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like whatever that guy's name when love is mine Italy when he came out to the pool. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't dress shirt Yeah, no, I can see him. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of his name without fucking clown [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, where are you on?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, when I was doing love is mine, Simey. [SPEAKER_00]: He did make it to one of the shows a big brother Yeah, he took his own meals. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he made it on there because Ludo Vika and that other person they started dating Giovanni Giovanni there you go Giovanni.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so anyway [SPEAKER_00]: Um, when the guys are saying goodbye, someone says, uh, safe travels, and I'm like, wait. [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess no one is leaving with one of them. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess right. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll I'll see you when I see it. [SPEAKER_00]: Bye. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, finally, we get the final bonfires. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, finally, this is all we've been doing. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, time. [SPEAKER_00]: So we get coal and scarlet first. [SPEAKER_00]: Coal says, you know, Mark gives him the whole spiel. [SPEAKER_00]: The whole spiel is that one person gets to talk to an interrupt.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other person gets to talk to an interrupt. [SPEAKER_00]: Then you have a conversation, then you decide if you're going to leave, if you're going to leave by yourself or leave with the other, or you're just going to find, you found another connection, who one of the people there. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why Mark had to say this every single time a couple came on one time is enough until the last I was like we get it We don't have to put this in so close as it came in here with boundaries that she made and as the bonfires went on She just kept breaking them and that she doesn't he doesn't know how far like they've gone and they paint him Not knowing where they stood and he was watching her forming emotional connections One of the rules was don't go on multiple dates with the same person my god

[SPEAKER_01]: that's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, your rules are too fucking rich. [SPEAKER_01]: If it is, you cannot go on a date with the same person more than once, do not come on this show. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Just don't come on the show. [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's stupid as hell.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He said he's starting to question things and he was believing the letters less and less and like what letters? [SPEAKER_00]: Did they write letters to each other? [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't show us and they forgot about that. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: No idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says he doesn't feel safe and he's proud of how he handled himself. [SPEAKER_00]: He's patting himself on the back. [SPEAKER_00]: And he figured out that he needs to give it to her street and what he figured out is the depth that he found from being in pain. [SPEAKER_00]: Scarlet says, sorry you were in pain and Mark was like, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Cole Young and then he goes, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm finished. [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to start from where we left off and where we left off. [SPEAKER_00]: There was no trust, no foundation or a communication. [SPEAKER_00]: She knows they came in strict and they were focused on the physical, but it was absolutely not about cheating.

[SPEAKER_00]: She says there were pieces in their relationship that were missing that she just can't compromise on. [SPEAKER_00]: and she was like, does she believe that he would never lie to her again? [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: And that the relationship was bringing out things in her that she didn't like.

[SPEAKER_00]: But since she's been here, she's been herself. [SPEAKER_00]: She feels at peace. [SPEAKER_00]: And they both deserve people who are fully in and see them. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, what, it's been traumatizing for me, but the third one fire was the hardest and I've been spiraling so much of our Bradley and she's like, I mean, we never said a boundary like we couldn't it was just physical and I just chose to dive in and she says like, yeah, I don't think I've seen much depth as you claim to be, this is when I noticed to make up on his shirt.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he says, again, I don't have any fear anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the fear of losing you. [SPEAKER_00]: I just want us to be raw, to be safe, to be deep. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, these are not your words. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the words are coming out of his mouth, but they're not ringing true at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no emotion to them at all. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for saying that because the next things out of Scarlet's mouth is, do you know what emotional connections? [SPEAKER_00]: Webster's dictionary defines emotional connections like stuff in it and then she's like Do we even speak the same language and he's like yeah, we do I promise I'm gonna be open and you know That's why I have to tell you that you know I read your journal and I did it because I was looking for proof that you still loved me And she's like yeah, I don't believe you because if you did that on camera What are you doing behind my back?

[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys know my rule and all the shows that we watch I say this all the time [SPEAKER_00]: if she talks to him like a child, you do not want to bump ugly with this man. [SPEAKER_00]: You can do two, just cannot coexist together. [SPEAKER_01]: So they can't, and really, I mean, she was like, well, you only told me because it was on camera, which like, yeah, that's a valid argument.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that checks out. [SPEAKER_00]: It is, but it also, you know, disperse the fact that, you know, when he says he has the fear of not losing her because if you really learned that, then you wouldn't be going through a journal to find out if she loved you. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're just repeating words.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not true. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: He says old Cole wouldn't have even told her that he read the journal. [SPEAKER_00]: When she made the point about the camera, I'm like, yeah, we'll never know now. [SPEAKER_02]: So... [SPEAKER_00]: They have to make a choice what they're going to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cole says he wants to leave with her. [SPEAKER_00]: Scarlet says she wants to leave alone. [SPEAKER_00]: He said he's mad and she goes, hey, I'm here. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hurting you. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, this was sad. [SPEAKER_00]: He says, where are we going to do? [SPEAKER_01]: Harvest was for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says, what are we going to do? [SPEAKER_00]: What am I supposed to do? [SPEAKER_00]: We live together. [SPEAKER_00]: And she says, will cross that bridge when we get there? [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, honey, I think you're there. [SPEAKER_00]: You're standing on a bridge. [SPEAKER_00]: right now you're on the bridge you're crossing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man so for his final confessional he says she never said how she has grown. [SPEAKER_00]: She never said what she has learned it's always on me and like really it's a different issue in her that I can't fix. [SPEAKER_00]: He's so mad he smashes a bottle in the car. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a plastic bottle but he just can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah from positive and he's like you know what? [SPEAKER_00]: No one is ever going to love her the way that I did and I'm like yeah that's how I [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this boy or someone else will, okay? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, somebody's gonna, in like six months, somebody else will. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mikey and Sidney are next. [SPEAKER_00]: I was actually surprised they brought them out second, but they both look so nervous. [SPEAKER_00]: Mikey is wearing these very nerdy glasses, so dramatic. [SPEAKER_00]: He sits on the bench and then he takes off the glasses to speak. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, he's like, he's the problem, man, this is the problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like we came here with love and I want us to leave here with love and I respect whatever decision that she makes He says he has been miserable. [SPEAKER_00]: He's been making everyone around him miserable and she said 98% of this throw was them leading together And the two we because of him and it wasn't because of him He says he gives her her flowers because he bought it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He bought the game and they just go broken by the first bone fire [SPEAKER_00]: And then he brings it up again, how the hell you're going to be budding you and live once I will place it? [SPEAKER_01]: The he is playing by the 90 day fiance playbook. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't work out, it's because you never loved me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no, man, she thought she she may have actually loved you. [SPEAKER_01]: She thought you were the one for her. [SPEAKER_01]: Then she met a better man. [SPEAKER_01]: You're not as good as him. [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I had better news. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's good to see him.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was so funny. [SPEAKER_00]: Then he says, I watched you fall in love with someone else and then we hear thunder and then the rain starts falling. [SPEAKER_00]: My first I was like, oh my gosh, it's a black woman or air. [SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing? [SPEAKER_01]: Then I have the same thought as a canopy or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were like in the little they had the four sites to build like a shell. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know a roof or something. [SPEAKER_01]: There was an old hang or something. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they were fine. [SPEAKER_00]: So he was like, yeah, so you fell in love with someone else.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do shit. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like being dramatic now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then when he's done cities like she took a long pause, then she's like, [SPEAKER_00]: I had one goal to walk in and walk out with you. [SPEAKER_00]: Until I say it, talking. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone was like, hey, what brought you in my key here?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then telling them they're like, what? [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, what? [SPEAKER_00]: He did what? [SPEAKER_01]: She did what? [SPEAKER_00]: She did what? [SPEAKER_00]: Better? [SPEAKER_00]: You took that? [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, we still don't know what the what is, like, class in.

[SPEAKER_01]: We know he used to be a ho. [SPEAKER_01]: That's all we've heard about him. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't doubt that he did something and he wasn't like, like, we can, you know, figure out some of the things we think with a problem, but I want her to say it so we can take the walk with her. [SPEAKER_00]: So even in this, I'm like, what is the what did you tell them?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: But she says some little thing, she's like, you never showed me off, you never put me first, and then I realized that I was making myself smaller so you could shine. [SPEAKER_00]: She feels like he loved the idea of her, but he never really loved her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she found something deeper within herself and in finding that something deeper, she found a connection with someone else. [SPEAKER_00]: I never want to hear the word depth and deeper anymore in my life. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I'm tired of it. [SPEAKER_00]: she had to realize that she was settling and she chose herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she knows that that word settling just really sets him off. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think she does, because I don't know anybody who would hear I settled for you. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, yeah, you did. [SPEAKER_01]: That check, that's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: That checks out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, that would hurt anybody. [SPEAKER_00]: He says that he proved that college Mikey is gone. [SPEAKER_00]: And she says, yeah, it doesn't mean the past pain is gone. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I still have triggers. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he says it again. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm learning to listen to understand, not respond.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, oh, you are now. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is the first real conversation that we've had over a year that we've been dating. [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, whenever we're talking, you do that smiley thing like we're joking. [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: you know why I do it and she goes, why?

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I'm running from my feelings. [SPEAKER_00]: And I love Sydney so much because she's not folding. [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, oh, so we've been dating and you're saying this is the first time we're having a real conversation that in itself is a problem. [SPEAKER_01]: There's like, oh, that sucks.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I love the bad for you. [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I know you're hurting, but I can't keep taking your pain as mine. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I know I can provide what you're looking for, but I can also see that it's too late.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then Mark is like, well, neither of you are wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: And I have witnessed him growing to a man. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, Mark, have you? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you didn't even know him that well. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, this might be Mike is record because he held it together until now and then he said crying and it when it's time for him to choose and he was like, you know what I want to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I want to say, but I got a little bit low and then he cries. [SPEAKER_00]: and he says that she's leaving with Xavier and he walks away in the rain, you know, Mark says your time in the island is done. [SPEAKER_00]: He cries some more. [SPEAKER_00]: He says if he looked at her the way that no, he kept saying like I hope that some like Xavier gets to look at her the way that I looked at her like I was so in love with her and I'm [SPEAKER_00]: If he really did look at her the way he did and the way he loved her, why would she feel on prioritized?

[SPEAKER_00]: I just, the perceptions are not matching up. [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not here to say in words, like he's saying what he thinks he's supposed to say. [SPEAKER_01]: I, like you said, I don't understand how none of these men understand your relationship was a disaster which is how you got onto the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: If this show was not about, hey, if I can just go here and not fuck somebody, [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's pivoting but it fixes all the problems. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, you guys have real problems to sort out and a lot of those are within you. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even like, couple problems.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's things that you need to work on. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: These guys didn't seem to understand that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, she decides to leave with Xavier and he comes out and the way she goes every time she sees him. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like being in high school over again.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she always gets shy also. [SPEAKER_00]: So she tells him that she wants to leave with him. [SPEAKER_00]: He's so happy. [SPEAKER_00]: He yells out loud. [SPEAKER_00]: They kiss. [SPEAKER_00]: He goes of course. [SPEAKER_00]: Mark is like, I'm so happy for you guys. [SPEAKER_00]: You can leave the island.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the kicker was she says that she's falling in love with him. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: And he says I have for some time as well. [SPEAKER_00]: And he wants her in his life. [SPEAKER_00]: And Mark is like, these are the moments where I love my job. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, Even for me, that was too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're love. [SPEAKER_01]: No, this is too much. [SPEAKER_01]: It's Louis entries to the love bubble. [SPEAKER_01]: It's insane. [SPEAKER_01]: It's too much in my mind. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, I wonder if Mikey can hear him yell like that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, he's probably 20 feet away.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he can get that far away. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he sweeps our foot and he carries her all the way up the hill into the car and that's the end of that for then. [SPEAKER_00]: Sean and Jack. [SPEAKER_00]: Jack takes a long pause. [SPEAKER_00]: He's the one who's going first before saying it's hard to see her and it was hard not getting a video from her but he understands he knows she didn't want to come here But they were here for a reason and they weren't happy.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were stuck. [SPEAKER_00]: He won't take back the five years. [SPEAKER_00]: He loves her and he knows she won't believe him because she hasn't in the past. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't think he thought about her the whole experience. [SPEAKER_00]: She does not know what she has done to him to make her feel this way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And why did he do all the things he did, knowing that she would watch it on screen. [SPEAKER_00]: And if he was so unhappy, why didn't he end the relationship? [SPEAKER_00]: And she felt like she was constantly fighting for them. [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't want to come because she knew that deep down this is how he would end.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she wants to thank him for showing her who he truly is. [SPEAKER_00]: And he can never be the man that she deserves. [SPEAKER_00]: And she cannot look at him the same. [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus. [SPEAKER_00]: She tells him that there were the ones who'd been together the longest and he's the one who did her the dirtyest and that by the second one fire he got physical.

[SPEAKER_00]: And did he forget the like they built? [SPEAKER_00]: Did he forget their two dogs? [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I did. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't send you a video because you don't deserve my energy and you don't deserve any part of the new version of me and he's like, [SPEAKER_00]: I was scared to be alone, but the one thing that she's failing to admit is, like, Cheyenne, we were unhappy, like, just admit that, so... Our people was busted.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pretty much. [SPEAKER_00]: Jack is the same. [SPEAKER_00]: Jack is just like, I mean, I guess I'm free. [SPEAKER_00]: What's my next move? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know what to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Mark says, do you want to say anything, you know, as a, thank you for anything, like, you know, I'm asking, I'm not forcing you to just saying I didn't know who Mark said, remember when you speak, we have to be respectful or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: But, of course, that her. [SPEAKER_00]: She thinks him, she says, you know, for the happy times and, like, time will heal all of that. [SPEAKER_00]: They decide no surprise, Jack says he wants to leave alone and Shayan decides to leave alone. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I saw an interview where a podcast with someone was interviewing like eight of the guys all crammed into one of the guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Preston said he was pissed, that he was in his suit, he was ready, he was waiting. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, why in the world did you think she was going to leave it? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you were just... [SPEAKER_00]: Rebound. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Rebound dick. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I'm happy you got to have some fun for a week or whatever, but like, I don't know why you thought she was like, this is my man now.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, brother. [SPEAKER_01]: That was a dumb thought you had. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: The hints were there. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, our final couple, Kaylee and some of it, there's something Mark does, like, when they're leaving, when anyone is leaving and they're done, he stands up. [SPEAKER_00]: Or if they're coming in, he stands up.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I mean, I guess that's respectful. [SPEAKER_01]: but all time you respect. [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha. [SPEAKER_00]: Kelly says, this has been the most challenging rewarding experience of her life. [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't always the happiest and she leaned on some it to find her happiness.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she is sorry for that. [SPEAKER_00]: She says she has a lot of needs that aren't being met and she doesn't feel like the priority. [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody seems to feel like the priority and any of these couples. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: in his life and she feels like a chore. [SPEAKER_00]: He says she says that he doesn't always make her feel worthy of his love and if her needs are too much, she doesn't know where to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: She wants to feel like the prize. [SPEAKER_00]: He says that the thing she said at the bun fire hurt and he also shocked him and he doesn't want the person he loves to look at him like that, which I mean he's a lot of things but that is true. [SPEAKER_00]: If the person that says that they love you cannot say nice things about [SPEAKER_00]: right here don't be together then yeah so he acknowledges you know what she's saying and he's like he's done having one foot in and one foot out and she deserves the best because it's not fair to her and when it's time for them to discuss some it just wants to know one thing did you have a physical connection with anyone basically did you have it's really really I'm like yeah or I wish you had the videos Kaylee like Kaylee is 0. negative 0.001

[SPEAKER_00]: to have sex to anyone else, okay? [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even even eclipse that we saw where it's like, well, I wonder if like there wasn't any of that, even. [SPEAKER_00]: Which is why I said, like, I kind of like bought into what you were saying. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think some it is also, some it is in the to me in the category of West.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to always be good. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: And that regard. [SPEAKER_00]: So just, I mean, for you to have all the things about your relationship and your one question is, did you have sex with anybody else? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: There's something about that where it's like, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: You could have asked that off camera when you go back together. [SPEAKER_00]: And also, is your decision to get back with her dependent on the answer to that? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I think so. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: There was something about that that I'm just like hmm and something else that he said like oh I'm not making her look bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about that where it's felt like what he's saying is I'm not making you look bad stop making me look bad on camera so yeah basically yeah [SPEAKER_00]: okay she mentions like oh you went on a date with the same person three times in a row but he's like no it was nothing like just my friend right so she says she feels like she's putting more into the relationship and she's fighting harder and I was like again I don't know why you are fighting hard for someone who treats you terribly and is on kind with his words because [SPEAKER_00]: You know, honestly, guys, if we're going and if that is exactly how it happened, she shouldn't be with someone who says this cruel thing, sir.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to change overnight. [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't come to Disneyland and all of a sudden, he knows not to say the Sarah with things. [SPEAKER_00]: But if he did say the Sarah with things to her and is putting her down and is criticizing her body, her weight, or anything or comparing her to someone, um, they should not be together.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nope. [SPEAKER_01]: No, be with somebody else. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, we'll not do that to you. [SPEAKER_00]: So why are you fighting hard? [SPEAKER_00]: Just like you're fighting for someone like, yeah, treat me bad, treat me, make me miserable. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it. [SPEAKER_00]: Once again, why I'm convinced that someone is just very here, I'm very into his image. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, do you think I'm a sociopath? [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, what? [SPEAKER_00]: You know what you say things? [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't even remember?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, however, if we're going to say that some some it is probably said things over the years that, you know, resonated with her, she couldn't get over and he might not recognize that. [SPEAKER_01]: She did straight up say that's sociopath behavior. [SPEAKER_01]: She did not say he is a sociopath.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, she was basically like, I'm not going to call you a sociopath, but like you're exhibiting all of the behaviors standard of a sociopathic person. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, and I understand why that lasted with him because like, if I ever heard my wife say, I think Brian might be a sociopath or he did some sociopath to shit up like, oh my God, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: She clearly didn't meet at that way. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what she meant. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, maybe she doesn't. [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't. [SPEAKER_01]: You know? [SPEAKER_00]: No, remember, she gave a specific example. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a time when she was crying and he just went out and went to go party.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it, you know, we say it all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh my God, I can't believe they did that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a psychopath. [SPEAKER_00]: This is like, [SPEAKER_00]: There's not wait, there's wait, where it's mean things, but sometimes we just say things and You don't mean it that way because she didn't even remember that she said it literally mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's time You consult the DSM4 and find out what's going on with your brain. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but he's a person who likes for people to see him in a good light [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh, God, because she also said, I don't know if he's the father of my kids and that's another thing that resonated, you know, with Yeah, again, valid like if you're going to be with someone like you don't want them to think bad of you, but it just felt like all the questions seemed very Imaging.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like like if you even have a problem when she kept saying like, [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a chore, basically like I have too many emotions or whatever, even something like saying like okay, are we going to work to understand each other where I don't say hurtful things, but you also don't take it to me like I mean.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm on your side, I don't mean anything negative and we work to have a language where we understand something to that, none of that was said. [SPEAKER_00]: It was all, do you think I'm a social brand? [SPEAKER_00]: Cause that makes me look bad. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you see for someone, cause I'll make me look bad if I go home on my friends or like, dude, she's simply somebody else or do you think that like, those were all the veins that the questions were going through that I was like, hmm, okay?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He says that they both came to change and he realizes that him saying that she needs to change this or change that again to me. [SPEAKER_00]: This is an admission of guilt saying all the things and it's basically him saying that she's not good enough and that's not fair because she's the best.

[SPEAKER_00]: She deserves the world and all that and Kaylee, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: bare minimum. [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, who is this Mark? [SPEAKER_00]: What did you do? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So they decide no shocker Kaylee wants to leave with him and he wants to leave with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Any whips out of color from his pocket because I was like, what the heck is this? [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was, too. [SPEAKER_00]: And then and while somebody did last season, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he says like, you know, I want us to get a dog like we've been talking about this and then he gets her a key and he says he wants them to move in together and she's all like, this is a girl's dream come true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, speak for yourself, sis, like, you've only been, no, they've only been together a year. [SPEAKER_00]: You've had a negative experience is work on that relationship first. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't just jump to getting a dog and complicating your lives even more, find out if this really means anything when the cameras are off and go from there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, so that was it, they're so happy, they're so changed and now his commitment phobia has been cured and yeah! [SPEAKER_01]: whatever man great good for y'all I guess I don't know I do I felt I felt nothing from this we're like you know there whatever reality show it is there's moments where a couple gets engaged or gets together and you feel really happy for them and excited for them I feel nothing yeah I'm like all right good I guess it's kind of the most I can muster for these two [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like people did an immerse himself in the experience, but then on the flip side, when I asked myself, what is immersing yourself in the experience? [SPEAKER_00]: Look like I guess Sydney, but then in another life is that bad behavior then. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, I think it's bad behavior if you go into it with like that is your plan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you like that dude from last season, I can't wait to have a three-sum in here. [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you go into it with that in mind, it's bad behavior. [SPEAKER_01]: If you go into it, open-minded. [SPEAKER_01]: You're neutral. [SPEAKER_01]: You're not saying, I will not put myself into a position where I might find somebody that I really, you know, click with.

[SPEAKER_01]: and then you do all the normal stuff and you find someone that you find attractive that you guys have a lot in common and can speak easily with. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a mercinger, so I don't count what Jack did as a mercinger's up in this situation. [SPEAKER_01]: He was just trying to get straight.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's all right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's just trying to get some trim. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole different situation. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not, no, that's not. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Sydney did it about the best anybody could do it. [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's why I don't judge her for finding a better man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was it for the season, a little anti-comactic. [SPEAKER_00]: I've been trying to avoid spoilers until they have their reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was so pissed that Nick Vyle even released a seating chart. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, it's a podcast studio. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's sitting short for that. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know what's happening guys. [SPEAKER_00]: I will tell you this. [SPEAKER_00]: Sydney and Mikey are hanging out. [SPEAKER_00]: I have seen no signs of Xavier. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's because they have to wait till the quote unquote reunion, but Sydney and Mikey were hanging out in like a content house with guess who jack and shy in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what is happening there. [SPEAKER_00]: Sydney is doing a lot of, oh, I can tell you what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, get ready with me while I tell you whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just trying not to have any spoilers to see what happening because the whole show for me was Sydney and Xavier, but I also know enough to know that it might not last I mean.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let me just temper my expectations. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you watching. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going. [SPEAKER_01]: So what happened I guess? [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens, but that was it for the season guys, so, you know, we did it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a great season.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was going to say that it wasn't a great season. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I don't know how you get picked up by Netflix and become worse. [SPEAKER_00]: How can you be better if you're in USA? [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen what Netflix can do with this kind of a show because I only watched the first season, but like too hot to handle was fun to watch in that first season.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can do this right. [SPEAKER_01]: You can get some hot dummies to like make out with each other. [SPEAKER_01]: That shouldn't be that hard to pull off. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it could be the casting. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they should go this season. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, maybe they got what they wanted.

[SPEAKER_00]: We shine and jack being young, but give us some season couples, like let's let the baggage run deep. [SPEAKER_01]: So that might be why Jack and Cheyenne worked better because, again, they're young, but their relationship is not young. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: They have actual history here.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you go get somebody that they've been together for a year, it's like, okay, a year that's what we're talking about here for real. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are the stakes? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I've wasted. [SPEAKER_01]: Realistically, I've wasted eight months of my life because it was first four months you guys aren't serious yet We're talking about here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Was it was not Scarlet and Cole that we're like from the very beginning was too fast Yeah, first day. [SPEAKER_01]: They were they were on vacation together a week later. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm aware of that sounds stupid too Yeah, because the market was like all those things you have in common is not going to take you down the line 30 years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay Is that no any going last all right well Brian [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for taking this temptation island ride with me up next for us. [SPEAKER_00]: We're still covering welcome to piled fill. [SPEAKER_00]: So the next episode will be next week and don't forget we decided on love is blind Poland.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh God. [SPEAKER_00]: What are the Polish going to give us? [SPEAKER_00]: You watch the preview. [SPEAKER_01]: I did watch the preview. [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I took with me in the preview was those one woman who was like, I have been rejected before for being too big. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, she wasn't big.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I am very curious. [SPEAKER_01]: Unless it was somebody else's voice over. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I am excited to see if that becomes a thing because other countries do have more body variation in the US does not. [SPEAKER_01]: The US version of the review. [SPEAKER_01]: conventionally hot people and davante and so like it'd be it'd be nice to have I said what I said it'd be nice to have some body variation in here and so when we get the reveal it is like oh shit I did not expect to give me some face tattoos give me some crazy so that I can like I have a real reaction and said if you have Course your hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hot too, but that's not that's not doing anything for me [SPEAKER_00]: I think Brazil's who's had like the, yeah, Brazil's a big issue because Brazil had one where the guy was like, yeah, I can't do this at the reveal because she was a big a lady and he walked away and Brazil also had a lady who was a big a lady but she also had like a disability with her hand.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think she had one hand or was it just, I think she was missing some fingers and one hand or something. [SPEAKER_00]: So fingers and one hand, yeah, like for those of you who watch the challenge like what Jordan has and I mean, he was fine and he was, you know, he didn't bat. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Brazil was also the one where you had a woman and a guy where at the reveal, he was a bigger guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: At the reveal she was fine and then we found out she was like never spoke to him again after the reveal. [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, yeah, that's what this show was supposed to have. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's good for us not production. [SPEAKER_00]: Production is like, now we got a scramble.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right off the ship. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are like, even with the conventionally attractive, we lose the drop-like flies. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even gonna. [SPEAKER_01]: we're not going to risk it here. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't personally like it because I don't want anyone to go through that on national.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, yeah, that's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Keep the what you consider conventionally attractive and let's just keep it that way because I just that has to be horrible. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I love mess. [UNKNOWN]: So. [SPEAKER_00]: Alright guys, stay subscribe so you don't miss out on any new episodes, drop your comments and let us know what you think, also call MEFS and please leave me a five-star reading on Apple Podcasts most part of my and until next time guys, bye!

Temptation Island S2 Eps. 7-9 w/Brian

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