The Challenge 42 Ep. 11 w/Kelli

[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to another episode of Tain Talks. [SPEAKER_01]: I am your host Tain. [SPEAKER_01]: Here are the new episode for you today. [SPEAKER_01]: And the guests that I'm having, the role of guests that are first timers on the pod continue because I have yet another first time around the pod with me today.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it is Kelly aka Laguna Biotch from the nostalgia and now pod. [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Kelly. [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for having me. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to talk that's the challenge. [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I always tell people when I find my tribe I get so happy and I think what was it?

[SPEAKER_01]: We exchanged threads about CT and Fade Red, I think it was. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember one. [SPEAKER_01]: Something you said and I was like, oh, she gets it, gets it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like you saw clips and stuff like, you know, the lore, you know, completely. [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't, my now my, so sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: She's now my fiance. [SPEAKER_00]: But one of our first dates we talked about the challenge and I was like I need to like keep her because not many people listen to the or watch the challenge anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I completely agree and it's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: I had a guess the other day when we were talking about Survivor and I was like it sounds weird to say. [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor is like the highest rated throne, maybe CBS reality TV. [SPEAKER_01]: And it still feels like it's a niche show. [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the challenge is the same thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: People are like, it's still on. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we've been talking about CT and Vadra, and they don't realize that CT has a season still all currently on right now, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, we are years away from the backpack. [SPEAKER_00]: Stop showing me that clip.

[SPEAKER_00]: If that's how you know CT, I don't think you know CT. [SPEAKER_01]: You are completely right except I never tire of that clip. [SPEAKER_01]: I still love so hard every time I see that clip. [SPEAKER_01]: It makes me happy. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what are you. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about the show as a whole.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are your favorite [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I have been watching the challenge since I can remember. [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, probably since like sixth grade maybe seventh grade and I watch the challenge is someone who loves drama. [SPEAKER_00]: I love mess. [SPEAKER_00]: I get if you're like a great competitor cool love for you, but that's not my kind of player, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: I love a nanny. [SPEAKER_00]: Nanny is one of my all-time favorite challengers, which is a hot take and I know it, but I love absolutely is. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Did I agree with you there? [SPEAKER_00]: Good, good. [SPEAKER_00]: I loved Katie Doyle was one of my favorites for years and years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, Monica, the wave of Veronica played the game politically. [SPEAKER_00]: Was it always nice? [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I love her. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she had me and her confessionals. [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely love them. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess if I'm looking at, [SPEAKER_00]: but like, competitor-wise, rather than just personality, like, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked Emily Schrom. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was really great. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Laurel is a Terminator, but I think she is. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really, all the seasons kind of blend together for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: But when they were doing like, [SPEAKER_00]: that of the X's. [SPEAKER_00]: I loved in X's season. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love it, gauntlet. [SPEAKER_00]: I love like an inferno. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So kind of when like, like West Johnney and CT were younger.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That back when we had themes that made sense. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and we knew what we were working with. [SPEAKER_01]: But it seems like you have it. [SPEAKER_01]: You have a play a type. [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Veronica's [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, our streets people when I do my recaps, but I'm like, I love masks.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is one guy loved the challenge for so many years. [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's fine. [SPEAKER_01]: Like you have to have those, and I say this all the time, whether you like them or not, you need those to make a complete show. [SPEAKER_01]: If not, it's going to be boring. [SPEAKER_01]: Then you're stuck with the Orazios.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we haven't seen him because you have the competitors, but they don't have the personality. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think my gripe with the challenge, well, there are many gripes of the challenge. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not consistent in a lot of things, but one of my gripes of the challenge is that they keep getting stacked men.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen not even with the new people when they come in, but they don't do that for the women and they cast women for their personalities. [SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of annoys me because we have the same people who are top of the pile like right now we are going to talk about Tory, but I don't know I feel like I can never say anything bad about Tory after this episode, but yeah, so if you're like we have to Tories, but anytime we have like a women competitors like we don't see them again like you mentioned Emily Shrum she had her time and then that was it until 40 and then we had Jenny she actually like won and then we never saw it again until 40 because they realized [SPEAKER_01]: Where's Casey?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, don't bring back Casey. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if you don't do that. [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what we're facing. [SPEAKER_01]: But the men we see them rotate, we see people like, oh, look at who won Jeremy, Emmanuel, well, they didn't bring them back. [SPEAKER_01]: But at least there's a stack cast.

[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody else did the for the women it feels like where's the competition I guess? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I get what you mean. [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like Analy gives like the kind of challenger that I like. [SPEAKER_00]: And I actually think if she comes back for another season, [SPEAKER_00]: I pray I'm on my knees praying she does.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's also strong and I think she can hold her own. [SPEAKER_00]: Like going up against Tori in that backpack thing like that is very few people would win that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think she's proven that she is a strong competitor in Adrian, I really believe Adrian. [SPEAKER_01]: Adrienne was my MVP from last season and I got a lot of a couple of people just me like really what I was like, yeah, that that, you know, I really like her so okay, let's talk about this season.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about the formats like it's a hot mess, right. [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have enough players. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I know you said you hope at a league comes back and hoping the challenge comes back. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny. [SPEAKER_00]: I was just thinking like all the players I listed all female.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the challenge is to meet the women. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, curious. [SPEAKER_00]: I would love an exes. [SPEAKER_00]: I think an exes would actually bring the challenge. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not like back back. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But please give them a little bit more life. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, X is our vendetta's but I thought this was supposed to be over the last one for the this is 42 41 was supposed to be X is in something when arise somewhere along the line and then it went to pieces But I don't know why they can't get it together and I think it's because they're so stuck on having the vets [SPEAKER_01]: And as much as I love the vets, I think it's time to let go and set a shring in the new people.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're also more likely to be single. [SPEAKER_01]: Like the vets are just going to be loyal. [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to get that storyline. [SPEAKER_01]: But like the casting this season was good. [SPEAKER_01]: We just need a little bit more people. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you and like I actually like Brad as a competitor.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on. [SPEAKER_00]: Am I doing that hot things today? [SPEAKER_00]: Every single challenge is like a hot take. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything I love about the challenge, but like, a 40-something-year-old brat against Kianu is crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that isn't saying, and I think they either need to focus on like the older people, and there are people on big brother who are older, or you need to focus on young people and bring back all stars.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually, what I think is just bring back all stars, because nobody really cares. [SPEAKER_00]: about the rookies. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because they didn't build the reason why we love the vets is because they built on them. [SPEAKER_01]: We had stories. [SPEAKER_01]: We had real world.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we don't have real world anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: But much like we're saying do X is do vendetta's do a big brother versus whoever real or I don't know survivor versus whoever. [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to put them in groups do survivor, big brother, almost like [SPEAKER_01]: stuff to do that I'm just wondering why are we not doing it and why are we not building on the potentials.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of potentials. [SPEAKER_01]: We just never built on them and it's hard to connect when you haven't followed their story. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just new every single time. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, like I've watched Nani since I was like 19, you know, like I'm not going to make me.

[SPEAKER_00]: She can do some stuff that I'm not always going to agree with. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's been like I remember her [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, it's just, it's, it's just so hilarious. [SPEAKER_01]: It's when I think about the fact that CT, Johnny, there would 44, 45 right now. [SPEAKER_01]: And we watched them from when they were like 20.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so yes, going back to the format this season, I hate when it's a group format. [SPEAKER_01]: The last time they had it was the one CT one where they had that sapphire and whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, and then they switch and I don't like it. [SPEAKER_01]: I just let's do the duels.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do the individuals, but when it's a group stuff and especially when you don't account for sending three people home without telling us what happened and then we lose people like that. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you do? [SPEAKER_01]: There was no contingency plan, and he just ruined everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: I also, I liked the world, when it was two teams, I think, either needs to be two teams or like, duos. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also okay with an individual challenge. [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't had a season like that in a long time. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's true. [SPEAKER_01]: Was it a invasion of the champions was when it was individual, but yeah, they need to do that and then with the if you go last if you come last and you automatically in, you know, elimination challenge is just like go back to the basics, it worked then it would work.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, so again, praying to the gods that it comes back, I don't know that if it's a good sign that we are not getting a reunion or if it's just about the Josh stuff that we're trying to avoid, what do you think, what do you think we're not getting a reunion? [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking money, I was thinking it's not worth them like flying everyone to Amsterdam and dealing with all the visa stuff in order to put this again together, but also good point about Josh, I didn't think of that, and I do think they're protecting him to bring him back, maybe not next season, but in like two seasons.

[SPEAKER_00]: By like, yeah, I think he would be back by like 45. [SPEAKER_01]: Y'all, the challenge does a lot of crazy shit, but if they bring Josh back, I think they well, I mean, I'm still going to watch. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, but that that will be insane. [SPEAKER_01]: That will be absolutely insane.

[SPEAKER_01]: They have not brought back certain people. [SPEAKER_01]: that didn't even do anything and then you're going to bring Josh back like I hope they make him hell and I hope they put him in every single goddamn time because that's ridiculous. [SPEAKER_01]: But do you have the answer to this question?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why did they always film the reunion in Amsterdam or somewhere in Europe because [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the only foreigners I thought of were the brids and the brids can come to America without a visa. [SPEAKER_01]: Like why was it always in a national? [SPEAKER_00]: I, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it is a visa issue though.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they started doing it when they had, I don't remember her name. [SPEAKER_00]: She had the braces in the braids and thought it was going to be, says it would be, C.T. [SPEAKER_01]: Lovers soon, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's when they start, like, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's when they brought in those dark group. [SPEAKER_01]: But in the in the recent ones, they they just stuck to it. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was just fun. [SPEAKER_01]: But I know who we were talking about. [SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm to keep saying burnout, but it's not burnout.

[SPEAKER_01]: She was friends with burnout, but um, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's what it was. [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get into the season, those some news broke today. [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like Corey Corey, the best to never win so proclaimed. [SPEAKER_01]: Jenna. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Barbie beasts.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can go with that. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: She was good. [SPEAKER_00]: She was just, oh, that's not a shock. [SPEAKER_00]: It is anything else. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, honestly. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: She was a sleeper.

[SPEAKER_00]: She really was like, she used to make her way and she used to surprise us. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Cause you have anybody else. [SPEAKER_00]: on their list. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess just leave Roy because it's been so long, but I'm not like a super leave Roy lover by any means.

[SPEAKER_00]: Me too. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think I would put him in that category because he does have a good political game and he always makes it almost all the way and yes, throws himself down for Johnny Beninas to walk all over him. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that is true. [SPEAKER_01]: Leroy has all the makings of a winner and he absolutely should have won whatever season was that see if you want again and he was so close to but it's so funny to my I turn my views on Leroy turned when so I call the challenge my my sadness show.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when I'm sad my pick me up is the challenge and then during the pandemic when I had no idea what was going on I rewatch all the seasons and I got my husband to watch a couple and he watched a mirror and he was like What do you like to sky like he doesn't have his own game? [SPEAKER_01]: He lets people play his game for him and I don't think I saw him that way until he said it And it was like he didn't he got me cam and it's like he needs cam to tell him what to do or bananas So I was like, oh my god, it takes fresh eyes [SPEAKER_01]: to realize this is ever since then I haven't been able to turn and then he just became the almost doesn't count player for me on the challenge.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yes I can see that it's just hard to call him the best ever win but he has all the makings to be a winner, you know. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah so Corin Taylor finally broke up after nine years and I was curious to see what would happen after this because the comments that she was making and this is [SPEAKER_01]: He was old quarry again on the challenge.

[SPEAKER_01]: They hadn't broken up. [SPEAKER_01]: They have two kids together and one of their kids Has like she was born with like a heart with a heart problem and [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they've been going through it. [SPEAKER_01]: And he had to leave due to an emergency. [SPEAKER_01]: She's doing well, thank God.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, everything's well there. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, while he was there, he was flirting with Izzy. [SPEAKER_01]: Izzy is a Brit, and they didn't cross the lines, but they did cross the lines, but he didn't know his situation with Taylor. [SPEAKER_01]: They lived together in the same house, but they were not lovers.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what men say? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what he did. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what he did? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm like, rewatching this almost a year later, that has to be hard. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's mid the call. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe they lasted this long.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say it this way. [SPEAKER_01]: And for those who don't know, they actually met on another MTV show X on the beach and not a fan of Taylor, so I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and he thought some of this breakup, no, it just does seem like a long time coming because I also watched the in mom.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I watched him like over on that show. [SPEAKER_00]: And for a year, she was like, where's my ring? [SPEAKER_00]: I want to ring. [SPEAKER_00]: And he'd be like, I love you. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I believe in marriage and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a recent interview where he was like, I want one more kid.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't say like, we and remember thinking that was weird. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just think. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I understand why people dislike Tori and I think I'm not Tori. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Taylor, I know why people dislike Taylor and it's for a hundred percent good reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I completely completely understand, but I do think Tori took it too far. [SPEAKER_00]: And if he did portray her as like, oh, she was coming on to me. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do anything and then watching it. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't even imagine what that must have been like. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: He should have just made his situation clear, but if you've been watching the challenge and you know old quarry, some efforts never change its spots. [SPEAKER_01]: So it just came out, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we got to talk about the previous episode, Sarah Rice, when you saw her, what are your spoiler person?

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of challenge spoilers out there. [SPEAKER_00]: I am not a spoiler person, but I saw this spoiler on Twitter, so I knew it was coming, but I don't know who wins or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but so when you saw her and then she dropped the hood, you already knew it was her, but did you hardly leap a little because mine did?

[SPEAKER_00]: It did and then it sunk because like why would you give her a physical elimination against anyone? [SPEAKER_00]: Because like Sarah Rice, she has endurance, she can swim, she can eat, give her a puzzle like she's a great competitor but I want her as like a physical competitor and I guess [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like they kind of like used her again just to like try and get eyes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I made a TikTok and someone was like a mercenary for a puzzle. [SPEAKER_00]: That's so stupid. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I think you should play to our mercenary strength. [SPEAKER_00]: Also, they did that for Battle of a new champion. [SPEAKER_01]: They brought them the CT did numbers.

[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't eat guys. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not because I was so excited. [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea. [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea she was coming. [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea that she would say yes because again, for those who don't know, they try to get her in all stars. [SPEAKER_01]: She said she had to come with Susie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Susie's also a vet. [SPEAKER_01]: Susie's her friend, her podcast partner. [SPEAKER_01]: And at the last minute, they were like, they couldn't get Susie and Sarah's like, I'm out. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing this anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what they said to convince her to come to Thailand, but they did.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know in what capacity I don't think they played it all the way the best, because the whole episode was like a UFC type situation, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: You can't put Sarah puzzles and UFC. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to karate chop the numbers. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe you didn't work and maybe they just had to get it. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank God bananas wasn't eliminated with the sadrick on the first one. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, the whole thing is if she came and bananas wasn't there, that would have, you know, won't walk. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they think to show his ending, and this was their last word, I don't know, it was nice to see her, but it also didn't kind of make sense, but also tourists and you face of the challenge, I don't think they wanted her to go home. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, either way, who do you wish came in Sarah's spot, like for a physical elimination?

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, two people came to mind, Laura and Jenny. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a violation right there. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to say Emily Schrom too. [SPEAKER_00]: I think would have been like a fun get it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think about her also. [SPEAKER_01]: But also, I don't know what.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was so sure that since she did 40, she'll come back for 41. [SPEAKER_01]: And I almost feel like maybe she doesn't want it. [SPEAKER_01]: Like she's all like peace and love and rainbow. [SPEAKER_01]: That she's just like, I don't need this in my life. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure, but I really like her for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, again, [SPEAKER_01]: Just a caveat and to reminder, no one on the challenge is clean. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no one I can speak about and back. [SPEAKER_01]: They've all done the things, okay? [SPEAKER_01]: So you know because Emily has our thing from back in the day. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's crazy because when that happened there was like a whole episode after the episode to explain why it was bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why I was so shocked that there was nothing about Josh. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, brother. [SPEAKER_01]: I have no explanation as to why they dealt with it this way. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know we're going to talk about it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the attention span is short that, yeah, people are going to stop talking about it, but the responsible thing to do is to talk about it to say why it's terrible, and I don't understand it and we're never going to get answers.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's no paramount. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought streamers have more money. [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on? [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy to leave us in the dark. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so rude and disrespectful, honestly. [SPEAKER_01]: But um, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So Sarah comes in and she does her bit and you know, it seems like all is forgiven.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like this, um, There wasn't no raw like fighter anything. [SPEAKER_01]: We just, you know, peace and love follow me and everything. [SPEAKER_01]: But it was nice to see her and I think the thought that I had when she walked in or before every new was Sarah was like, [SPEAKER_01]: I was worried, okay, I wanted Jenny, I wanted Laurel, I didn't think I'd have them were going to be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought to myself that whoever was that was under the hood, I had faith that Tory was going to win regardless. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Tori. [SPEAKER_00]: I know people have their thoughts about Tori and maybe we'll get into them. [SPEAKER_00]: But Tori is in shape. [SPEAKER_00]: Tori is really strong.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like she is like a tough competitor to be. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she is. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she is. [SPEAKER_01]: She studied under the the school of Jordan, who I do consider one of the goats. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, she's she's very well rounded on there. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: So from last week, continuing from last week, we find that, you know, Adrian and Tory, you have gotten their ticket to the final.

[SPEAKER_01]: How do we feel about that? [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a little earned? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hate it. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel me more. [SPEAKER_00]: I hated the one thing I hated about this season is the captains of it all. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was still like every twist wasn't necessary. [SPEAKER_00]: They drew us, you know, there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But one thing that really frustrated me this season is not only the safest of the captain, but also how everyone's friends and how nobody wants to break a friend bond and nobody wants to turn on their alliance and nobody wants to make it like I cannot stand that and that's how Tory plays in Mark Blake.

[SPEAKER_00]: one thing I struggle with with the new challenge is everyone tries to be like nice and not screw over the friend when it not that I loved Johnny stealing from Sarah that was probably one of the most angry I've ever been at this show but you do need that conflict and like watching her or Tory just be like well Michelle's boyfriend's my rider day so I have to protect Michelle because in that really frustrated me and that wasn't your question [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, no rules here.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can talk about whatever, but I agree with you. [SPEAKER_01]: When they started this whole vacation alliance, and that's why I'm not a fan of other Josh from Big Brother, because Martinez. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the goof. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the goof. [SPEAKER_01]: Give me the goof. [SPEAKER_01]: But that's why I'm not a fan.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's fulfilling like maybe I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: He's has friends now. [SPEAKER_01]: People that like came in. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a kind of person who seeks validation and every other Confersionals like he's my friend and he likes me. [SPEAKER_01]: He's my friend and then he wants to protect but it's impossible to protect everybody And CT's a lot of things but the one thing he always says you cannot take this game personally and if I ask my friend to do this for me [SPEAKER_01]: You can separate both of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when they both came to came at Kara, again, Kara's a lot of things. [SPEAKER_01]: But to come out her for not throwing a challenge or for what are we doing here? [SPEAKER_01]: What that's ridiculous. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That is Tori's flaw, like doing the whole friend thing because you can't do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Going straight to the challenge because now that we're in Paramount, we don't get an hour and a half episodes anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like 43 minutes or something and we start the episode going straight through the challenge. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's called feed it through. [SPEAKER_01]: So there are three blocks and one at a time as a team They're going to stack the blocks up onto a post and the first one to get it done wins Sounds so easy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you know there's a catch TJ adds that they have to do this blindfolded. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that we're going to have one person not blindfolded and hauling it out from the side They're like nope, everybody's going to be blindfolded and you're going to do it [SPEAKER_01]: Now, to further cement that this format sucks, Michelle is the only one on girl's day, because the captains are have their, wait, did you say why you hated the captains?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I just hate the case. [SPEAKER_01]: I hated that state, but to stay safe. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is a safe. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there's no [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing, there's no anticipation or what's going to happen. [SPEAKER_01]: You just know that you're saving your ceiling through it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's it is like Michelle either way, whether they win, whether they lose it's the same thing for her. [SPEAKER_01]: She has to go in and again, they didn't account for that because that would have been Nelson's fate. [SPEAKER_01]: I believe he was the only one that was going in for each one.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, [SPEAKER_01]: This challenge felt so dangerous to me. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I was very squeamish and I was just like, oh my god, this is gonna hit someone's head, break someone's neck, stubs, not stub, but like actually bang someone's toe or something, but I don't know, everyone was okay, I guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really like to this challenge. [SPEAKER_00]: I like challenges that seem easy, but they're like frustrating and that's Honestly what this is of course they added like the blindfold so that's not like super easy Yeah, but you will think you could get around this maze no problem and I love when they had to like figure out they had to dig Yeah, right out they had to turn it and they really had to use communication.

[SPEAKER_00]: I actually enjoyed this one [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did. [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that could be spent a lot of time just watching the wheels being put through the, you know, the poles. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, there's nothing else that they could give us more stuff going on in the house, but there was just a lot of time just watching it, but it was hilarious when they couldn't figure out their way back and you realize like, how much you need your senses guys like you think, oh, wait, you're watching it from your couch, but no, they couldn't figure out how to get back, but it almost seems unfair.

[SPEAKER_01]: the orange team. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, it's theirs to lose. [SPEAKER_01]: And that the format again sucked right from the beginning of how they made them pick teams. [SPEAKER_01]: Like just, [SPEAKER_00]: be normal guys like don't make people pick for the other people like what do we do yeah i don't understand why they have to go to these great lengths when it's like if it's don't if it's not broke don't fix it you know and even all the twists that they kept having and i don't know it's like every year they try and make it like more and bigger when it's like you should just go back to what it was and that's what people liked we liked host drama then we liked a challenge then we liked an elimination

[SPEAKER_00]: and then you eat more house drama, maybe some bus drama in between. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which day stop showing? [SPEAKER_01]: Which we're going to get into because they showed the bus today, and I was like, oh, something is going on there. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like the switcheroo of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you can't really make plans when you don't know what's happening. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the stuff that captains were going to be safe. [SPEAKER_01]: Then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, messinaries are coming in. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then you're like, oh, and if you do it, it's not like you lose something, you're actually going home.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not safe. [SPEAKER_00]: So why are you telling me that I'm safe? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it would have been better if they had to switch captains every week in like say once they got through the full rotation of the of the group then they picked the one captain? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes because then everyone's going to be fighting to be captain for whatever week that it is to fight safety and everyone's like, why am I going to give it to you?

[SPEAKER_01]: And then someone's going to have to be trace someone. [SPEAKER_01]: So then you have inbuilt drama already, which is what you're looking for. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't need, yeah, because you're like this person picks, it doesn't mean anything because if you pick this person, you know, like, they're not going to vote for the other birth.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's their friend. [SPEAKER_01]: We know what's going to happen already and that's boring, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, the orange seemed pulls it out. [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, the great team, um, it's all women. [SPEAKER_01]: They did a great job. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that they didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, I don't know if he helps our hearts in this challenge that there's more people on orange. [SPEAKER_00]: I think too many cooks in the kitchen maybe I just think they had taller people and that's why they were able to finish it quicker, but I will say for the final I would want way less people on my team than six because we're not even going to get a hundred thousand dollars each [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then you're gonna have less money the more that you are and I will see this I'm not a bananas fan like on the show off the show I think he's obnoxious I think he's like a man child and he's just rude and obnoxious [SPEAKER_01]: But the man, I will not fix my mouth to say he is the challenge.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he knows his stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he actually guided the team. [SPEAKER_01]: He has that expertise. [SPEAKER_01]: He knows when to step back. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember the challenge where CT solved the puzzle. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Michelle says she did a native show it. [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows what's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: But bananas was like, this is not my forte. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to step away. [SPEAKER_01]: Like fruity even step away. [SPEAKER_01]: And for him to just know what he strengths are. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's always, he's still good physically. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and with the smart.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he's still good. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll give him this props on this challenge. [SPEAKER_01]: He was really good with the team. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: So then we go back and the great team, Adrian's logic is like, she has to put up somebody or two people from her team.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's just like, she's gonna put the negativity. [SPEAKER_01]: Take away the negativity from the team. [SPEAKER_01]: And [SPEAKER_01]: That person is Anna Lee to her. [SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on how, I know we've talked about Anna Lee, but how everyone is treating her, and he should bring it in front of herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of annoying, but she kind of reminds me of like Amanda Garcia. [SPEAKER_00]: She's not afraid to call out the vet. [SPEAKER_00]: She's not afraid to get messy. [SPEAKER_00]: I think she might be a little bit better of a competitor. [SPEAKER_00]: She reminds me of Kelly and a little bit too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just like, yes, I love Kelly and that's another one. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so iconic. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, they're mean to her. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, let the girl live, Justin's waning to her. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do not like, well, listen, I do, I'm the lesbian. [SPEAKER_00]: I do not like when gay men think they can talk to women the way they speak to women, just because they're gay men.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really want it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, people are just like, it's like, you should be thinking analy. [SPEAKER_00]: Because without analy, there's no season. [SPEAKER_00]: It would be so boring. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I completely agree with you. [SPEAKER_01]: I've said it on here before like I like Justin I like like you know more representation and I do think he's a good competitor like I'm with him Like cheerleading is not easy like you know, you don't want to call the athlete but he's there But I cannot take the meaness and it's the same thing with Corey Lay he just came and he's just being mean and I'm like again Be a villain.

[SPEAKER_01]: I again pro bring villains back, but not when you're just being mean [SPEAKER_00]: Just need a story line. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: No one. [SPEAKER_00]: Like we say. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: We say. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she was a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just have flashbacks, but yeah, but he's just being mean and he just, I couldn't tell if he genuinely just dislikes on a lay or if he wanted a storyline honestly. [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't tell which it is, but either way, I didn't like it. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, you know, what was happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel that Emily keeps putting herself in the situations. [SPEAKER_01]: My only issue, we finally, is the fact that, [SPEAKER_01]: This is a game, but in her real life, she does have a husband. [SPEAKER_01]: This man has to see these things. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not sim characters, it's real.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just after this episode, I'm just, what does he think? [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope their marriage survives this because I'm just, [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there are two parts. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know these people. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like for her to be not acting out, but whatever it is that she's doing, whatever she did with Leo being a really nilly and just being a flirty or whatever, it feels like she wants to escape or she wants an out.

[SPEAKER_01]: she's looking for something to be out because when you're like in it and you're committed and you're obsessed with the person you're not you know where the line is no one needs to remind you where that line is so I hope all is well on her end but I do think she brings it and she's it seems like she's not a likable character [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to the house, guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how old she was when she got married. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean, I mean, she was not nice and amazing race. [SPEAKER_01]: She's always young. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, she yelled. [SPEAKER_01]: I had any like, she kept yelling at him and I was like, what is wrong with you?

[SPEAKER_01]: I was all the music. [SPEAKER_01]: My dad. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, she was me means she was me. [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess that's why she got a cast. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So let me in bananas. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to lie to you before this scene this episode. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was fake fake fake fake.

[SPEAKER_01]: You could not convince me every season bananas wants to have a love interest and then we never hear of that again I did not believe I was like if there was something to show they would have shown it like we haven't seen anything But I don't know I saw there about language and some of the things that we said in the fight.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh wait It's a thing thing. [SPEAKER_01]: I was shocked [SPEAKER_00]: I wish that. [SPEAKER_00]: I, not, you that coming and then she's like laying in his lap and best, I, this is what he does, right? [SPEAKER_00]: He latches on to who he thinks is the strongest rookie and then tortures them and then is like, oh, they cheated on me.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can't come back on the show, like, we're, we're Mariah, we're she, yes, we're is she, we're, we're, we're, yeah, what's [SPEAKER_00]: Angela and Natalie from Big Brother. [SPEAKER_00]: We never saw her in a gruddy. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, uh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: What was this whole thing that they switched in and all of a sudden will having eyes for Tori? [SPEAKER_01]: Did we need that? [SPEAKER_01]: They cut out a whole bunch of stuff and I'm like, are they putting that in because something is going to happen or was this just a throwaway? [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea, but right before I came on, I followed Deb Chub because she, like, really, I loved her this season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was so charming. [SPEAKER_00]: She was a pleasant surprise for me. [SPEAKER_00]: She was. [SPEAKER_00]: She was and she said that she didn't know that that was a thing in the first time she ever heard about it. [SPEAKER_00]: It was last night watching an episode, but she said, right before she left, we'll start acting weird towards her in distant.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So, which is that we have four episodes left. [SPEAKER_01]: four episodes left, but Tori is a serial season data. [SPEAKER_01]: I think this might be the first which she hasn't dated anyone, so, but I don't know that she would do that to death. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're no good ones. [SPEAKER_01]: They just met. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, but I think that's what I was thinking about was like, was it just a throw away or are they showing this because something else is going to happen. [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like if something else had happened, who would have heard about it, bananas would have said something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tory was just on his podcast and why said she was being obnoxious. [SPEAKER_01]: He was saying things that were not his story. [SPEAKER_01]: He said something about, uh, he was talking about Georgia. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: War of the world, Georgia from the UK and saying like, [SPEAKER_01]: and then still be friends right now and then through in a half, three songs with Georgia and I'm like, what, why are you even seeing that?

[SPEAKER_00]: I agree, her sex life has been so public and not by her choice that we should not be talking about Georgia like that. [SPEAKER_01]: that's what exactly like especially knowing her history and everything that she's been through for anyone who doesn't know she was a victim of revenge porn by her ex bear who also was on the show and I think it's back because he violated his parole because his immediate or something but yeah so for bananas to say something is like why?

[SPEAKER_01]: He also said, Maurice, like, would never be back if the show comes back. [SPEAKER_01]: She would never be back. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, bananas, decide what you want to say. [SPEAKER_01]: On one hand, you're like, oh, the network didn't appreciate you. [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't take advantage of you.

[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks he seems to think he had a good boy image. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, bananas. [SPEAKER_01]: We know, okay, if you think people forget there's people like Kelly and I, we know, we don't forget, okay, so there's that and then now your saying she's never going to come back feeding into the narrative that you have a say on who's going to come back or who's not, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: So, he's just Iki, honestly, very great.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so apparently, letty and bananas are a thing. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know it's going down, we see bus footage, because all of a sudden we're seeing the bus, and I'm like, ooh, what's happening? [SPEAKER_01]: Bus footage, because of the blast from the past, we had Cara, when she was cheating on Adam.

[SPEAKER_01]: That happened at the police, but exactly, we had things happen, not so great things, maybe I shouldn't say when Jordan was being back then, and he sent a lay in the drama again. [SPEAKER_01]: She's to me just talking to bananas. [SPEAKER_01]: But people seem to think that she's all over bananas and being flirty and then when they get into the house They're dancing.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're talking to each other and all of a sudden. [SPEAKER_01]: Letty is like why are you all over him? [SPEAKER_01]: That's when I was like, oh wait, this is real. [SPEAKER_01]: They're they're actually a thing and she's like no, I'm not she's like even if you're the isn't that it's girl code And that's what I mean is like you've already been accused of doing something with Leo and [SPEAKER_01]: She was accused of doing something with Josh and I was like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that's about. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see her hand on Josh, but whatever the narrative is and then now I would just stay safe for the sake of my husband or respectful my, you know, commitment, just stay away from, you know, all of that, but she's allowed to talk to people.

[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, I just felt like they were dinging up on her. [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you can explain to me what Tori was saying. [SPEAKER_01]: She whispered to Ledi to ask about bananas underwear in Annely's backpack. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what is, what is happening? [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a joke?

[SPEAKER_01]: She said it's not a lie. [SPEAKER_01]: What is your interpretation of what's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a setup in Johnny was in on it and so was Tori. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, like, sometimes, [SPEAKER_00]: a cast picks out one cast member to like torture, you know, we used to see it in the old seasons and I think people maybe forgot about it, but they wanted to cause chaos within the great team.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of easy to be like, oh, Anna Lee's being inappropriate because she's already kind of been inappropriate. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that they wanted Anna Lee in the sand and that's why they matched this plan. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that's what I thought and I'm sad that you validated that because I thought it was gross.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's what we used to do in the past, but if you're single, I think it's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: But again, the only person I'm thinking about here is her husband. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, why are we perpetuating this? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is going to be really hard for him to watch.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they planted the underwear there, will brings the backpack, they bring it out. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what is he doing there? [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know why I'm worried because Emily doesn't seem to be worried. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, she's cute. [SPEAKER_00]: I know when she said, Johnny reminds me of my dad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I fully believe that actually. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know how old she is. [SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, I mean, they just want to make an elite look bad. [SPEAKER_00]: They want to make her look crazy, but they should be thanking her for giving them an interesting season, because, [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that there are four episodes to go makes me want to like scream because of how slow this season is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's time for the final. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not. [SPEAKER_01]: So what are we waiting for? [SPEAKER_01]: Half your cast went on. [SPEAKER_01]: Just go for it. [SPEAKER_01]: You know? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there's that going back and forth. [SPEAKER_01]: And I gotta tell you, and let it's like yelling at her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think let you want it to be the drama. [SPEAKER_01]: Would you want letty back? [SPEAKER_01]: mind but also like fine if she doesn't okay she seems she's giving one and done energy okay she's also one of those people like with the challenge is a toss-up you never know if you see them again but she to me she has all the [SPEAKER_01]: Chaos agent DNA to bring her back, but she goes to be a one and done.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when let he says, oh, you're being disrespectful, like, um, and an elite comes back with, well, you're disrespectful. [SPEAKER_01]: You made all of us wait in the spot just so you could suck his dick and let it's like, honestly, I was hoping y'all will wait longer. [SPEAKER_01]: I was on the floor.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just was just like, this is so ill that it can Johnny's just like, I have, he says my soul left my body and I didn't know what to say and he was like stuff fighting over me. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of me to go and she's like, let he's like, really does not enough. [SPEAKER_00]: There's not much, you know what's like so sinister to me is the fact that Johnny bananas is like with a virgin on this show.

[SPEAKER_00]: Something about that is so sick. [SPEAKER_00]: but also feels unbrand. [SPEAKER_00]: We can't. [SPEAKER_00]: Like he just promised, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, yeah, he's excited that she's a virgin, yeah, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he wasn't like, I don't know, I'm not going to spend so much time in here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, I'm with you on that. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think I'm so processed in the fact that this is real. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, but he has to think about Ledi. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you can't see anything because I really was trying to like, I guess shame her. [SPEAKER_01]: And that is like, yes, I think, what it would.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is that? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So I like when people just take things and just, you know, flip it. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Ledi was like, okay, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: It was Gurukud. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: She had nothing else. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say there, but then she was just laughing along with underwear and I was like, I don't know, why am I worried.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's not worried. [SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: You know, um, let's go to the nomination. [SPEAKER_01]: So Adrian nominates Emily and she just keeps talking and saying, well, if I, if I win and I come back, you just would have kept the liability. [SPEAKER_01]: Cars like who's a liability?

[SPEAKER_01]: She goes, you kind of like, okay, girl talk you should. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't throw rocks and hide hands. [SPEAKER_01]: She said it and then they have this fight and they kept going back and forth. [SPEAKER_01]: What is your take on the perception of Cara this season? [SPEAKER_00]: I do not think Karamaria showed up as Karamaria.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are a lot of things outside the game. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't follow Karan anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't agree with 90, probably 100% of what she says. [SPEAKER_00]: But she is a great challenger, you know, and watching her not be a great challenger is kind of weird, just because she's maybe not always dominated, but has always done a fairly good job.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I didn't like it when Josh said it. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like it when I said it, but when Annalisa said it, I was okay with it. [SPEAKER_01]: Now that's funny. [SPEAKER_01]: That's funny. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like you when either of them said it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I agree with them, like she's not showing up as the car that we know, but she's always done this, where she just shows up and she's still like unsure of herself.

[SPEAKER_01]: I still remember whatever reunion that she was in, which was like, she still feels like this imposter syndrome and I'm like, girl, you are an individual winner as in you beat everybody on here. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Johnny said it earlier this season, where it's like every season car doesn't hold herself like a winner or someone has gone champs.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's acts like she's a rookie in here. [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't feel sorry for her, but then you remember who car it is, and you're just like, hey, yeah, it is what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I want your thoughts on this theory, one of my listeners, because I brought that up too, and I was like, what is going on?

[SPEAKER_00]: And they think because a lot of fans have turned on her, she's trying to like, old car Maria, like horse girl car Maria, instead of acting like a champ to try and get that sympathy back. [SPEAKER_00]: And it kind of worked on me if I'm being honest, if that was her game plan all along. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she's putting on an act.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do think she is going through a life change. [SPEAKER_00]: She is older. [SPEAKER_01]: They're all older. [SPEAKER_01]: It cannot be easy for these people who have devoted like a lot of their life. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, to the channel and like Jemi always says, this is your life. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a life outside with this.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you come in there and you, and these new rookies are like, [SPEAKER_01]: Bionics. [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, so being reminded of that in her personal life is in shambles. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, it's not easy to lose a parent. [SPEAKER_01]: The breakup, it's a blessing whether she realizes or not that she's not with polyanima.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's not easy also going through a breakup. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot that's going in there. [SPEAKER_01]: She's always doubted herself. [SPEAKER_01]: Even though she won, I don't think she's ever fully believed herself as a champion. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think that she's putting on an act.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do think she's going [SPEAKER_01]: and it's reflecting here. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think things like the elimination challenge that she did reminds her of who she is. [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think she will hold herself in a final. [SPEAKER_01]: I think there, it's straightforward. [SPEAKER_01]: She knows what to expect.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a one on one type situation. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's a, she's part of an ensemble. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just her and somebody else, you know, on there. [SPEAKER_01]: Where I get mad is like, you know how when someone makes, you can make fun of you sibling, but then, you know, somebody else doesn't even like, shut up.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't earned the right to do that, I don't like when these newbies come in. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: They're all these, yes, they're breaking down. [SPEAKER_01]: They're all that, but still get that respect. [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't be here if they didn't build this house.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when they come at it and Josh is saying, I love it, I love it, I love it. [SPEAKER_01]: That you took you all along to get on here. [SPEAKER_01]: Give me your girlfriend, Shannon, gone on here before you so shut up. [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I'm annoyed by. [SPEAKER_01]: So the same amount of Lee, it was entertainment when she said it because you're not used to them, actually, saying, who's the liability you to your face and then you back it up?

[SPEAKER_01]: So I can understand why. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it maybe if there was other chaos going on in the house, like I wouldn't have liked it, but it kind of reminded me, I don't know if you remember when like Amanda was yelling at Camilla in the way that Amanda in like Ashley the lavender ladies came to the house and the young bucks like not afraid.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we were more entertaining than like the rookies we get today. [SPEAKER_01]: I think these people are fighting so hard to keep their spot. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not coming off as authentic. [SPEAKER_01]: Back then, they knew like, oh, you probably get the call again. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you come back, but now just like, oh, I gotta do this because I mean, I'll get the call again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there was play like it's there last time. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So they vote in. [SPEAKER_01]: Cara, when they go through a car is shocked because she thought she and letty were in the same page and its car versus an LA so letty says that she voted for Cara because she doesn't want the orange seem to always get what they want, but it's the dumbest thing to me and you let me know what you think.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to vote, Cara, she has friends over there. [SPEAKER_01]: So what is the point? [SPEAKER_00]: I think they should have put letty and Cara down. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what the plan should have been because I don't know if Cara would be Tory but letty would have 100% and I agree with letty not giving orange what they want but I also think letty should have gone down with Cara.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it would be more entertaining. [SPEAKER_01]: But what do you think of this past that Lettie is getting? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Lettie is going to back up all these claims that has been put on her that we've never seen just for the mayor fact that she's like tall and strong basically Laurel Junior?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think so. [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's going to back it up just because she was like in WWE. [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like you have to be strong in order to do. [SPEAKER_00]: that kind of entertainment. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think that she'll do or she could like get cramps the way Zach Nichols did.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: There was that. [SPEAKER_01]: There was that. [SPEAKER_01]: So my only, um, knowledge of Ledi is Delano, Del Island. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think I knew the extent. [SPEAKER_01]: of her whimsy. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me use that word. [SPEAKER_01]: Based on that show, did not let her spread all her wings.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm seeing the real her now. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, because that's why they're not voting. [SPEAKER_01]: Letty, letty is getting a pass just based on her strength and her determination. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I agree with you. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's a strong contender, but people forget elimination challenges, daily challenges, they are not a final.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, all final. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll humble you. [SPEAKER_01]: so we shall see what happens. [SPEAKER_01]: So Michelle is all like noted in Valkyran. [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck, lady. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she goes to confront her. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know what you stand in Michelle. [SPEAKER_01]: I find Michelle annoying.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wait, where do you stand? [SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is so boring. [SPEAKER_00]: I love when she has like her emotional breakdowns because it's like something, but I'm not like a stand or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: okay a lot of people love Michelle but um i find her annoying but in this scene i was like good on you Michelle this is all i mean saying like when she was partnered with Jay and they caused all that chaos and she's like no i didn't do that when she did the whole thing with new reason [SPEAKER_01]: was her number Olivia and although that and she's like no I didn't do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like she is talking your shit. [SPEAKER_01]: She is telling her like you can't do this. [SPEAKER_01]: She's the only person who had your back. [SPEAKER_01]: You should not have done that to her. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like please thank you own your shit and say to her face even if you sound ridiculous and honestly all of Letties come back to a week but Letties just like I did what I had to do I had to lie to Kara's face and I'm like yeah that is a challenge you know it is what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the great team agree. [SPEAKER_01]: I know Lee was going in. [SPEAKER_01]: We knew that's what it was. [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, let he doesn't back down. [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't care. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, it is what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: We can, uh, and we get to the elimination challenge.

[SPEAKER_01]: We see what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: So like, do you think it is what it is? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is. [SPEAKER_01]: It is the backpack. [SPEAKER_01]: And I cannot believe that Tories took that elimination for Michelle. [SPEAKER_01]: I was shocked. [SPEAKER_00]: It just showed me how confident Toria is, like it made me respect her, you know, I'm not the biggest Tori girl, but I was just like, that's awesome that she did that and like she's kind of doing what we always car Maria would do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, what a beast. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what put some respect on her name, T-O-R-I. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, what? [SPEAKER_01]: You have a shoe into the final. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think produces new because TJ was like, I know Michelle, you're the only girl, but who's coming down.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why are you asking a stupid question? [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's the only, no, that I know. [SPEAKER_01]: That toy was going to come down. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, wow, wow, wow. [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone was just like, I can't believe that. [SPEAKER_01]: And also that had to mess with Analy's psyche.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's boring is willing to come down then you're like, oh shit, she's ready, ready. [SPEAKER_01]: She truly believes in herself. [SPEAKER_01]: And this is Analy's first, no, is this how first I'm down? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, second, okay, yes, this is her second time. [SPEAKER_01]: But anything going against Tori, that's kind of crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: I was worried. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why it was. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a new toy was going to win, but I was like, this is not going to be easy. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she had the grit, you know, to get through it. [SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't a ballpark. [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't easy at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it was actually fun to watch and just watching them gas and just like, I think how painful that must feel. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I say, thinking of that, um, the elimination that Cara did with Nia Nia. [SPEAKER_01]: Nia. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: We had to dig like forever or whatever, that's what it was given me at that time.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, like I said, I can never tire of the backup off me clip. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the name of the challenge. [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, they played it. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what they never do. [SPEAKER_01]: They never played the CT and Tyler version. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with it, but they never play that streak.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's, if you don't know, there's a part two. [SPEAKER_01]: It was nice to see a time where I saw a time. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, because he was another like really feeling. [SPEAKER_00]: There's certain gay men who go on the challenge in Blaze, like a whole new trail. [SPEAKER_00]: And he was definitely one of those.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Haripy. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, let me does say, like, um, I don't know what to tell you, but that clip gives me the ache. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was literally being thrown around. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let it's like that would never happen to me, let it be something else.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, her team chairs are on, everyone is sharing her on Adrian is like, listen. [SPEAKER_01]: If we can get rid of Tori, who's trying to run against her in a final? [SPEAKER_01]: That's great for me. [SPEAKER_01]: Let the negativity come back as long as Tori is gone. [SPEAKER_01]: But ultimately, you know, I thought she had to lift her in throw her in a trash can, but I guess she just had to get to the end of the road.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what she did. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how she won. [SPEAKER_01]: And TJ tells Emily like you're a great competitor. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope we get to see you again. [SPEAKER_01]: That makes me mad all over again because TJ didn't always just tell everybody that. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it feels like he tells everybody that and it means nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: TJ [SPEAKER_00]: I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you, but I also hope we see Anna leave out. [SPEAKER_01]: The only reason this season has been Yes, I mean, that's just hope the challenge comes back. [SPEAKER_01]: And this is no announcement. [SPEAKER_01]: If we have four episodes we have in the reunion, we don't see that people are getting call ups.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is happening right now? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I heard a rumor that they almost didn't even show the season because of the triple DQ and they didn't know how they were going to edit it. [SPEAKER_00]: Does you remember they like posted the trailer, then took it down and took down that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I heard it's because that spoiler got leaked and the online was like talking about it and they weren't even sure if they were going to air it because they didn't know how they were going to edit it. [SPEAKER_00]: And instead, I'm like, then why did you make Josh like the center sentence of the beginning of the season?

[SPEAKER_01]: The edit out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually, what next is it, bro, we know that they can edit well, you didn't write her dies like that guy. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember his name, but his writer died. [SPEAKER_00]: It was she was caught saying like the end word on Twitter. [SPEAKER_00]: And they removed her completely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my blanking. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're able to do these things, but they chose not. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God, I hope you're not right that they're trying to bring Josh back with anyways. [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, that was it. [SPEAKER_01]: I know Michelle was so relieved because she's like, how am I going to explain that this woman went down for me and she went home.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what's going to happen and then they were waiting for TJ to say, you're going to the final and he was like, see you next time and they were like, [SPEAKER_01]: do you have to do this? [SPEAKER_01]: So that was the episode and I think it was a fun episode like we got the drama got a little meanness and then we got Tori pulling that boss shit and that was it yeah yeah it was the episode yeah it was any other thoughts [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of miss when like the challenge would like quote unquote trim the fat and I think that the corn should have done because they're not going to be able to split all that money and they're not going to make as much like you have to get rid of some more people like people just in will even though will says he's like the best player on the team.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was so funny. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry was like, okay, I'm not gonna tell you they are not, but sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, will is someone that I think is more likely to have a Zack Nichols moment, like I can see that happening because story is right, again, a final is different from a actual daily challenge.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not beyond bananas to say that, but I don't know if he's in the era where he would say that out loud, where it's like listen. [SPEAKER_01]: We need to trim the fat, like we need to get less people so we get more money. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he's in that headspace where he would say that out loud?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he gets a big enough paycheck that he does not have to worry about it. [SPEAKER_01]: So, what are your predictions for what's gonna happen? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you think it's a slam dunk? [SPEAKER_01]: For the orange team, do you think CT is going to slow them down? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the great team has a chance?

[SPEAKER_01]: Who is the weak link on the great team? [SPEAKER_01]: All of the thoughts, what do you think? [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think orange wins. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how they don't win unless ego start to clash. [SPEAKER_00]: But everyone, like at the beginning of this season, I really thought they'd fight more and everyone's ego is kind of in check other than Justin hate CT, which I don't know what that is.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like they've been able to keep their ego's in check. [SPEAKER_00]: So unless like something crazy happens, I can't see a world where they don't win. [SPEAKER_00]: And then weakest link on the great team, I think they're all going to do really well. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they're all going to do a good job, but maybe like they struggle on a puzzle and you know CT makes it to the final and he has the brain that can just like put a puzzle together, no problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if the great team one, I just don't see a world where that happens because they don't have men on their team. [SPEAKER_00]: Not saying women aren't strong. [SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's helpful to have at least one guy on your team for that balance. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what was that season?

[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't the first quattro where it was just two people. [SPEAKER_00]: It was Laurel and it was Laurel and Carr. [SPEAKER_00]: It was Laurel and Carr and then there was one where it was Jen and Emily, I think. [SPEAKER_00]: Think and then that was it, you know, I think it was second or third or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: They placed or something out there. [SPEAKER_01]: I love the great team to win just for Adrian. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would like her to have a win like she put in the work, but I also want to be in a world where I don't mind if CC hasn't had a win I mean, but that is gonna have another bit [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm okay with that, but I wonder if we'll go the route you know, where Big Ed was for sure that team was gonna win and I didn't a big easy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why did I say Big Ed when 90 days? [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry guys, I'm mixing my shows, big easy. [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, so I wonder if that's the case because I don't know, CT is working on his endurance right now and he usually gets it around by the end of the season, but it's a short of season.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a good point, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's going to get there and also Adrienne is not bad at puzzles. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not bad. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just a good leader. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think she is a good leader.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really like her and I'm glad she didn't have a sophomore slump. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I just think with, like, even rowing, it's easier to have, like, more man, just manpowering partner, yeah, orange has more people, but also, like, the more people you have to drag, it could slow you down.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you down, yeah, really, yeah, especially one of the people again is CT, but I did see this. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't think that I would ever count CT out in anything because his, um, [SPEAKER_01]: his pros outweigh his cons like literally his only con is like the endurance, which I guess is a major thing or a challenge, right now, you know.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um that was it guys um let me know all your thoughts let me know who you're rooting for let me know who all your faves are but before we go Kelly if you can tell people where they can find you [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: And don't come for me for loving nanny.

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