The Death & Life of Lamar Odom w/Ade

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, everybody. [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to another episode of Auto Call. [SPEAKER_00]: I am your host, Tane, here with a brand new episode. [SPEAKER_00]: This episode, I'm going to be talking about the documentary on Netflix called Untold the Death and Life of Lamar Odom. [SPEAKER_00]: And my guest today is a special one.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is eight, hi, eight, how are you? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm especially good when I get called the special one. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, you should know that I never once better than the other one. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, thanks for joining me to talk about this documentary.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know you have many thoughts about it. [SPEAKER_00]: If you could describe what you felt about this documentary in one line. [SPEAKER_00]: How would you describe it? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was pissed. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it wasn't expecting that. [SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised actually. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you go through a lot of things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say, it's hard to sum it up in one sentence. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I went from having like, I call it the, whenever I'm watching something about somebody's life and this is a fairly recent thing. [SPEAKER_01]: But I started like count like how many adverse childhood experiences can one person have?

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I just morphed into like, okay, I understand. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's up to you. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm very, I'm just kind of pissed off. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[SPEAKER_00]: Lamar just still wanting to have a taste of being famous with this. [SPEAKER_00]: And can I ask you what you thought about the title? [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's called. [SPEAKER_00]: So my husband walked by and saw the death. [SPEAKER_00]: And like he was like, oh my god, he died. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was a people out there to [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, did I miss it? [SPEAKER_00]: And they did a documentary already? [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, no, he didn't die. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing it was like a play on words of like he kind of died and he died when I was brought back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But then I didn't give a second thought when I first saw it, but when that happened, I was like, oh, oh, that's a choice for a title and I guess it's a play on life and death, but this is death and life, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I think they could have had another title.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they didn't realize that not everybody remembered that he didn't die. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because every now and then you have to, well, I have to remind myself, like, not everybody is in the pub culture zeitgeist. [SPEAKER_00]: Some people are just, oh, it's happened to their own.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that person to live? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're so here. [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows. [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, it's an unfortunate title. [SPEAKER_01]: we were talking about this before we started recording because guys I put in my notes like oh rearranging the room that he owed you on is crazy and I'm like why did I say that what happened again and ate what did you say I said when I first started watching documentary I thought I hit the wrong thing because I was like what is going on here why is this man in this very dark like bar hotel when I was showing us this room and I was like oh and then it came oh this is where it [SPEAKER_00]: And then making it seem like it's not a monument, but like a place for a museum or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just odd. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's very, very dark. [SPEAKER_00]: A man, oh, indeed. [SPEAKER_00]: And nearly lost his life. [SPEAKER_00]: So, not sure why he did that. [SPEAKER_01]: I will give them that they provided the explanation for that weirdness that we needed later in the documentary.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because once you realize, [SPEAKER_01]: Who owns that room? [SPEAKER_01]: Then you're like, oh, this is the, yeah, the rifter. [SPEAKER_00]: It just wasn't a good choice to open with that. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it wasn't. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no context. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what's happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it was like, did I press play on the right thing? [SPEAKER_00]: Because when you see this man, you're like, what does this man have to do with Lamar Odom? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, right here. [SPEAKER_00]: What I'm not surprised about is that Chloe is a part of the documentary.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about this, but if I were her, I would not be in this documentary. [SPEAKER_00]: Really? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to give context. [SPEAKER_00]: I watch keeping up with the Kardashians and most recently he was on even the Kardashians version on Hulu and most recently he was on the episode and when we you know get to it later on I'll give more context into why I'm just like leave this man alone like he just doesn't care.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how else to say it, but for a man who survived 12 strokes and six heart attacks and was technically kind of dead or in a coma for three days to survive this and still kind of struggle is a reminder that addiction is a bitch. [SPEAKER_01]: This is something and I, you know, I might need your assistance here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like I watched that old documentary. [SPEAKER_01]: They told us that whole story and I didn't feel like I ever got confirmation that Lamar Odom is in recovery from drug addiction today. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm like does he still? [SPEAKER_01]: Because I wasn't entirely sure that he does not.

[SPEAKER_01]: He never said, oh, I've gotten clean since that time. [SPEAKER_01]: After my life, no, I didn't hear any of that. [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's just like what we're just used to hearing. [SPEAKER_01]: And so we don't hear it. [SPEAKER_01]: So we assume it doesn't exist. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think actually it's a pretty decent assumption.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he has relapsed since then. [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, it is a safe assumption. [SPEAKER_00]: He had a DUI as recently as January. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: so I just don't know how much recovery he's done and if it even is something I wonder about it is also like you know there's some people who fight this battle over and over and it's not for lack of trying they've been to a lot of rehab centers they do these over and over and I've [SPEAKER_00]: Because like, my knee, go ahead, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because we start with the premise that anybody can recover from drug addiction if they just try hard enough and go to enough rehabs, they have enough, I mean, I don't think at this point that anybody really thinks that, like we've watched too many people who have ever resource in the world not be able to survive drug addiction.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, something I want to do through the episode is like, just when we get to points where I think they get it done better, I want to point it out. [SPEAKER_00]: If there's any point for you, where you think they could have done better, just, you know, kind of pointed out to and share what you thought about the direction that they just took.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of them for me is Phil Jackson. [SPEAKER_00]: Did you recognize him when he came on screen? [SPEAKER_01]: No, but that's, I mean, I recognized. [SPEAKER_01]: Looked at him and was like, okay, important sports person. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm always going to need a little prompting a little prompting around to remind me who this person is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot, but I remembered that this untold series is like a JV 30 for 30. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's interesting because the draw to watch in this documentary for me is of course both Lamar and Chloe. [SPEAKER_01]: But the idea behind the untold series is sport stories.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why we have Phil Jackson because that's the sports part and the other parts of the documentary that, you know, dive into the sports of it all. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a problem with him being on there. [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like he wasn't utilized as well as he should. [SPEAKER_00]: Like basically the way they use him, we could have done without him.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they had him for five seconds, and he was showing breeding technique techniques. [SPEAKER_00]: So he did for that. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he mentioned a little about Lamar, and then that was it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like we really could have done without that, I think for me, because Phil Jackson is like synonymous almost, like with the Lakers.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I just thought, if he had mentioned things about, oh, he mispractice, or he was doing that, and you know, in more depth than they used to, I think they could have done better with that. [SPEAKER_00]: If not, just don't worry about it. [SPEAKER_00]: that was my issue. [SPEAKER_01]: And that would have brought more of the sports part into the sports documentary, because yeah, I feel like we may have gotten the story through drips and drives that he probably did show up to practice until he didn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of did and I mean, listen, I'm not even shooting on the dock because what I think they do well was also laying the foundation of how Lamar came to the Lakers. [SPEAKER_00]: They did a good job of laying like, you know, when he was in high school, how he was like, what was he six nine or seven?

[SPEAKER_00]: He shot up to, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: and you know he it was a trade you know when shock was sent to Miami because it sounds like okay that's a lot of information but i think like that added to the story because we really have to understand him coming to Los Angeles understanding like and leading up to him meeting Chloe and [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the whole situation with that, and he just really enjoying being famous because Los Angeles is where they all work to be a wants to be in, you know, that's funny that they all want to be on the lakers.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to be on the clippers. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, the clippers still in LA. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they are. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the funny part because when he was drafted, which is crazy that he was drafted in 1999. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, 99 still feels like.

[SPEAKER_00]: 10 years ago, but no, it's not beloveds. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 27 years ago, and he got drafted to the clippers. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's on tells us that he was like anywhere but the clippers, and that's exactly where he ended up. [SPEAKER_00]: But going back to his beginnings, we meet his high school sweetheart, Liza Morales, who, again, surprised that they're doing this dog for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he must really be charming, I guess? [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it doesn't check involved. [SPEAKER_01]: The first thought when I saw Liza is, she showed us look quite clearly. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always a original face, but is that the shock? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you noticed that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I mean, I've seen. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't something I stood out to me, but I've also seen like different dogs of them and I just maybe it's like, I'm used to seeing her face, but no, it wasn't a thought while I was watching this documentary, but I've never fact checked this, but I read somewhere that you can't pay people to be talking heads on her documentary because then it skews like basically you can pay someone to say what you want them to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there's like ways around it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same way that like all we can't pay for an interview, but you can pay for the rights to pictures. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you use the pictures in the documentary, and then you didn't pay for the interview. [SPEAKER_01]: You paid for picture rights.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's ways around it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I've heard that too, but I've also heard the ways. [SPEAKER_01]: journalist get around it. [SPEAKER_01]: And some of these Netflix documentaries, I don't know if there's a lot of journalism involved. [SPEAKER_00]: In the part where Lizer is telling us how you know, they were high school sweetheart and then before he went away to college, she got pregnant.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, no, no, no, for his name, Lamar Odom, his aunt is the person that's giving commentary from his family's side. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to point out that his mom wanted to name him Lamont, and his aunt, and I quote, says, you can't name him Lamont. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the si si name.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, what? [SPEAKER_00]: what you have to name him Lamar. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's how we have Lamar Odom. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what that means, but Lamar's really okay. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're out there you're named Lamar. [SPEAKER_00]: It is not ACC name, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is a old school blackbed of a certain age name though. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So we are informed or we're told that you know [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, ladies' credence, we've seen scientific facts that, you know, addiction can be genetic and hereditary. [SPEAKER_00]: So, unfortunate.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he lost his mom to cancer. [SPEAKER_00]: He lost his mom when he was 10 years old. [SPEAKER_00]: She was diagnosed in January and by July, she had died. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just important because it's the first of many deaths that he's going to come across in his life. [SPEAKER_01]: So at this point, I, I had counted three adverse childhood experiences.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I was like his parents putting up his dad being an addict and his mom dying at 10. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's three before your 10 years old. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's just a lot for the, a young person to have to deal with. [SPEAKER_00]: It is a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: I will say that why I said this documentary was like the surface.

[SPEAKER_00]: I actually read his book. [SPEAKER_00]: He has like a book. [SPEAKER_00]: He came out in like 2019. [SPEAKER_00]: I believe and it going to death about all his loss. [SPEAKER_00]: He lost the cousin. [SPEAKER_00]: He lost people, gone violence. [SPEAKER_00]: He's best friend. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of loss in there that [SPEAKER_00]: it's just non-stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: So for someone who practically, you know, when people say they're waiting for the other shoe to drop, he's literally waiting and it's actually dropping. [SPEAKER_00]: Because sometimes you're like, oh, look on the good side, but what part of it is a self-fulfilling prophecy and what part of it is just life, you know, at that point in you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: So. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, he goes to Rhode Island for college and I love how Liza his children's mom says, oh, he came down to one of those visits and boom. [SPEAKER_00]: I ended up pregnant with destiny. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, it's not a boom. [SPEAKER_00]: Like things happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: With how you got pregnant. [SPEAKER_00]: And after he got drafted, he did ask Liza to come to LA with him or to California with him. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, at this point, I feel like she's given up a lot of things because she got pregnant while she was in the high school, I believe.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't remember if she went to college, but she did have the baby. [SPEAKER_00]: And with him not being around practically, she's a single mom. [SPEAKER_00]: And then she's like, oh, I get drafted. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be alone. [SPEAKER_00]: You should come along. [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, oh, we're a family.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to put us apart and then she leaves everyone when she knows behind in New York and goes to join him. [SPEAKER_00]: And we know that it's the beginning of a lot of things that would eventually be her life. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just babies having babies. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's painful.

[SPEAKER_01]: To me it's painful to hear that in 19 and what was you such he was in high school so at 17, 18, [SPEAKER_01]: Like these children having children and it's like dude you're about to go get drafted and being an NBA player like you have a lot of life left to live to enter into Fatherhood if that's what you want to call what he did Yeah Yeah, this is the beginning of me not being very impressed with a marimek.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Yeah, all right, go ahead [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then he gets drafted goes to Miami and gets pregnant again. [SPEAKER_00]: So that was the third baby that they had together. [SPEAKER_00]: And then make this number four eight because in 2006, he goes for funeral for his aunt that died.

[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of loss for that one. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then the major one that we do know is like, you know, that third baby, when they have the baby, she says she woke up, it was a regular day. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, Jason is still sleeping. [SPEAKER_00]: Mom's like, is he okay?

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, yeah, he's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: She turned him over, and the baby is blue. [SPEAKER_00]: And we find out that the baby had died from sudden infant, the syndrome sits, and how do you even explain that? [SPEAKER_00]: What do you say to that? [SPEAKER_01]: Just devastating if sad, there's no words for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it isn't, and you know, when he tells us that what he was doing at the time of the baby's death was he was out party. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he meant party like party or party like, you know, when people are doing drugs, that's what they say. [SPEAKER_00]: That we're party, I couldn't tell.

[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't tell which one it was, but I'm like, uh, yeah, either way, you are not at home with your girlfriend and three kids and there's no correlation. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, Sid's a Sid's is going to happen whether you're out partying or you're at home, but how do you have three kids are you're out?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't this is like because you're not on the don't babies have babies. [SPEAKER_00]: I have watched Lamar in documentaries about this. [SPEAKER_00]: He was on celebrity big brother watch that watch them on the show read his book and [SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell how much of it is him detaching from reality or if it's in his nature to just not emot because he says this again is like I just had to move on like I didn't cry.

[SPEAKER_00]: What am I going to do? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have to move on and like eight is mentioned. [SPEAKER_00]: We've contacted her many losses. [SPEAKER_00]: before he was 10 that was like four that we know of we don't even know of the other ones that may have existed and it's like is that what makes him keep moving but I feel like he's in an era of retrospect and even looking back he still feels like he has no emotions about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's in an era of retrospect, but it's not a very deep retrospect. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what the documentary showed us. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It was honest. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna get him points that he was honest, but not very deep. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wasn't deep at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I'm saying is like, is it a wall? [SPEAKER_00]: Is it like, I can't go there because if I go there, I'm gonna lose it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I just have to be stoic and just move on with my life. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I was particularly, I don't wanna say disturbed, but it's like one of the biggest misconceptions that I think people have out there this like, because he said something about he went back to, she didn't wanna go back to Italy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I'm like, I'm kind of with her. [SPEAKER_01]: I bet he wasn't that helpful. [SPEAKER_01]: She needs a chance. [SPEAKER_01]: She wants to stay with her support system. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't judge her for that. [SPEAKER_01]: But he said something about like he went back to LA because he had to because that is his job.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's how he supports them. [SPEAKER_01]: And he said something about it makes me a stronger individual. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I like, oh, like one of the biggest misconceptions out there is that if bad things keep unhappening to you, it makes you stronger. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what the story that everybody has to tell themselves to make it through the day.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it just doesn't make it true. [SPEAKER_01]: Every bad thing that happens to you, weakens you, and it makes you less likely to survive mentally intact the next bad thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Like humans only have a capacity for so much. [SPEAKER_01]: But when bad things keep what's happening, humans will keep what tells themselves it's making me stronger.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even his hands at L1.2, and I was just like, no, no, all of these things did not make Lamarotum stronger. [SPEAKER_00]: Tell that to Candy Clarkson. [SPEAKER_00]: She made an anthem about it, you know, but yeah, it's what A.T. is true. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got to mention it. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for bringing that up, is that, you know, she wanted to stay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can tell that Lamar is a kind of person that has never changed a diaper and is like, you know, so I don't know that you would be even helpful in a death. [SPEAKER_00]: I really wanted to know the... [SPEAKER_00]: real story behind that really hoping that it wasn't the case of him like blaming her like oh you were supposed to watch the kids and you know what were you doing and then you know and that happened how did you not notice that he wasn't crying because that's usually the M.O.

[SPEAKER_00]: or men like that like it's like you're not doing what you're supposed to do but then is like you're the woman you should have noticed but also I don't think Omar has any emotions to care that much is that harsh? [SPEAKER_01]: I can see a world where everything you said happened, but because they didn't speak on it, we don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it's even actually, we got almost no insight into their actual relationships. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: They described events, not relations between even each other. [SPEAKER_00]: was very factual. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the timeline. [SPEAKER_00]: This is what happened, not like, but I felt that way and this happened, which is why I said, I don't know why she's here.

[SPEAKER_00]: After everything that this man has put her through, not doing your favor, no, but this is why he keeps doing this. [SPEAKER_00]: You are X, why we're going to get to Chloe's part, but you would not catch me sitting on that [SPEAKER_01]: Chloe, tell me Chloe story, at the end of this thing, I'm sorry, I was impressed with Chloe, I admired Chloe, I don't necessarily agree with her choices, but Chloe comes out looking pretty good here.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I kind of understand what, and you know what, Chloe comes out looking good and everything everybody else said also affirms that Chloe did good. [SPEAKER_01]: So there was no loss to her for coming on here to make her self look good. [SPEAKER_00]: won't get there but I mean they've gone through this before and he was not appreciative so she'd we that part has always been clear that what she did was so selfless and what she did was good but when we get to close part I'll lay my side of why I feel that way let's take a quick break and I'll be right back okay we're back [SPEAKER_00]: So then met a world peace aka runner test sits on the chair and I'm like, what is he doing here?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's up. [SPEAKER_00]: He'll be jailed jacking and nothing happened and I'm like, what? [SPEAKER_00]: And then he starts selling the story and I'm like, okay, I get it. [SPEAKER_01]: What he was here to cheer us up. [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, there was a literal elevation in mood when runner test started part of the story starts.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, he tells us a story which honestly I don't even think I knew this part was that he got you know, signed to the Lakers and again, that's where every player wanted to be. [SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to have a welcome to a late party and it like, did you find the flyer and they sure did find the flyer and we saw the Microsoft Word clip are early 2000.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a graphic designer, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: It shows us [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, uh, uh, he's like this Chloe, and I'm like, huh? [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on? [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I don't even know how we got her, like we wanted a co-host and Chloe was nice enough to accept and he was $5,000.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, she wasn't nice enough. [SPEAKER_00]: He was a job. [SPEAKER_00]: You were paying her to come on here. [SPEAKER_00]: But I appreciate that he was like, I'm sorry, Chloe. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you get way more now. [SPEAKER_00]: But that was funny because it was because Odyssey would have heard five chaos and what but I was also like that was many many years ago, you know, so [SPEAKER_00]: They meet at this party.

[SPEAKER_00]: They allegedly didn't know each other. [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that she didn't know who he was. [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to believe that he didn't know who she was. [SPEAKER_00]: The Kardashians were everywhere, everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: And to your point of view, but like what season of keeping up with the Kardashians did this happen?

[SPEAKER_01]: Season three? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so because at this time, this was when they had already had so many spin-offs and they didn't get spin-offs until a little bit deep. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so because we already had Chloe and whatever take my amy, take New York or whatever, and then they came in, but I'm still telling you people back in the day like I'm recall watching the first episode of keeping up with the Kardashians live season one episode one [SPEAKER_01]: And I stuck with it for a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I remember this storyline, I remember, I would watch, you know, go to my end. [SPEAKER_01]: I watched all of that. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember when I stopped watching the Kardashians. [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely do not watch this Hulu nonsense, but very young. [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, [SPEAKER_00]: To your point earlier, Lamar was serious and said, Memming, he was honest and he was like, I was just trying to fuck her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, I'm in a relationship with anything. [SPEAKER_00]: But again, what the documentary does is we don't understand how we went from you, we're just trying to fuck her to getting married to her in 30 days. [SPEAKER_00]: Because he actually proposed, like, I don't know why you couldn't just have dated her.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you were looking for the cloud. [SPEAKER_00]: But he was like, he was going to marry her. [SPEAKER_00]: Now in the book or just along the internet, I can't remember. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's that he was dating, um, Taraji P. Henson, I can't remember the timeline. [SPEAKER_00]: If it was during that time, and it was like a shock, like, wait, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting married to Chloe or what happened, and, you know, there's that. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of in-betweens. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how we went from that. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, [SPEAKER_00]: It was, I wanted more of his view here. [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted more in-depth like what changed for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: You just lost your baby, because I think in another interview, I watched, no, she wasn't a reality show, actually, Liza. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what it was. [SPEAKER_00]: XYZ Club or X something, and they were never married. [SPEAKER_00]: But something to that effect, where she just talked about how, [SPEAKER_00]: It was just so surprising.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like after the baby, they're really, she's just kind of fell apart. [SPEAKER_00]: And his next thing I'm seeing is like, oh, you're getting married. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm here morning, our kid, and you're out here, just, you know, living your best life from what it looks like from outside.

[SPEAKER_00]: So text and lies, I'd tell her that you're getting married. [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy work. [SPEAKER_01]: That is perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: This is what I mean by love, I'm afraid, shit. [SPEAKER_01]: First off, there was a part of me that was just like, you're gonna, when I watched it, I remember thinking, and I still actually had to stay believe, there's was a very cute little love story.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt very genuine and I do believe it was genuine. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think Lamar had other considerations in mind, especially the whole wider we need to get married in 30 days. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it was one of those like we met and instantly were like love, you know, I wanted a fucker and then like, she held out a while and love it for a slight type thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's just like lovely turn of Nigerian English, where you don't say someone had a baby with someone, you say, hey, she had a baby for him. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, this woman had three babies for him, and he never married her, and he had married Chloe in 30 days, like, that disrespect, that's the way I saw it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you couldn't call. [SPEAKER_00]: You texted her. [SPEAKER_00]: No, it is. [SPEAKER_00]: It is disrespectful. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just you couldn't even call to give her the heads up, but you just texted her. [SPEAKER_00]: But none of the kids went to the wedding and this was a moment where I look closely and I was like, oh, I'm just noticing that Chloe had her nose job because it's very obvious here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always very as a sidebar, surprised when people have so much money and they still can't get like a really top-notch doctor to get it completely right because I don't think the nose job was done very well, but maybe hadn't settled. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but when I saw Chloe the first time she appeared, I have a note here.

[SPEAKER_01]: What happened to Chloe's face? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how he did not need to do any of this nonsense. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the face has been a gradual thing like on the Hulu version. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like HD times 4,000. [SPEAKER_00]: So when there's a lot of makeup involved, so I've been seeing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But all she talks about is she wants a boot job. [SPEAKER_00]: She's never talked about the nose job, but this was, uh, yeah, very obvious. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's the era. [SPEAKER_00]: She's trying to say, they're all obsessed with saying young and staying skinny and staying pretty.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what happened to her face. [SPEAKER_00]: So they get married, they have a Hollywood wedding. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a Hollywood wedding because Metapiece is telling us, sorry, Meta World Peace is telling us like, I wanted to close this people to La Mar, and I was in the back. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I was in the front table.

[SPEAKER_00]: His aunt is like none of us was invited to that wedding. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh wait, besides pumpkin. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't see what's next. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm kidding, it's the most random interview with the whole documentary. [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the only reason he made it is because he was the one friend pre-likeers to make it to the wedding.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you guys, I remember watching that wedding on Keeping Up with the Kardashians. [SPEAKER_01]: When they were holding things where then known as Bruce was like, I'm going to walk her down the aisle or he wasn't going to walk her down the aisle. [SPEAKER_01]: She hadn't asked him, what was the deal there, do you remember?

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember, it was so long ago. [SPEAKER_00]: But Chloe was the one that had a really good relationship with Bruce though. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Bruce ended up walking her down the aisle. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was no way. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't recall all of that, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Pumpkin says that Lamar told him that he was doing all this to better his lifestyle. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to remind people because I get into this with people where people think everybody thinks like them and think that, you know, Kardashian is trash and all that. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, within your rights to have your view, but I always tell people that people want Kardashian clout.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter who it is. [SPEAKER_00]: So, Lev's want to always be in the orbit of the Kardashians. [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Jenner has told us, like, there's a time when any of her daughters are single, the amount of publicists that send a list of people reaching out, like, already want to date, like, the daughters, because they just want to be in that orbit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, everyone having their panties in a bunch that Timothy Chalamet wants to date Kylie Jenner, and I'm just like, you guys. [SPEAKER_00]: You have no idea. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, everyone just wants to be in that orbit, regardless of what most people online say. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Harry and Meghan went to Chris's birthday party.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not forget, like, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody wants to be in that Kardashian orbit. [SPEAKER_01]: They want the cloud. [SPEAKER_01]: They want the association. [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, ah, ah. [SPEAKER_01]: The idea that they're like, and I think the part that did surprise me is that they had that cloud back then.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And when they started showing all the people who were at the wedding and how Lamar recognized like, I want to be, [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just about the Kardashians, but who the Kardashians are connected to. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of amazing. [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that even with his own world, which is the NBA, he elevated himself by bearing a Kardashian.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but also I don't know if Harry and Megan is a good example. [SPEAKER_00]: Most people argue with you that their cloud chases a lot of people consider Megan to be a cloud chaser. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: That's it. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I get that. [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's my point.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are cloud chacers and they are, you know, they have the options as far as where they can chase their cloud, okay? [SPEAKER_01]: But in their new world of Hollywood, going to Chris Jenner's birthday party is a wonderful networking opportunity for them. [SPEAKER_01]: That's sure. [SPEAKER_00]: That is true.

[SPEAKER_00]: They all want to be in there. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so that was the wedding that they had. [SPEAKER_00]: And Lamar and his own words, and I quote said, if I'm going to marry you, I want into. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, you see why she shouldn't do this. [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't imagine watching this because the worst is still to come, but this is way after, you still say like, oh, if I was going to marry you, hey, I want into.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why not? [SPEAKER_00]: There's a business opportunity. [SPEAKER_00]: What I can't remember, I can't remember that she was 24. [SPEAKER_00]: That is young. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I forgot that too. [SPEAKER_00]: That is young. [SPEAKER_00]: It really feels like she was much older, but 24 is very, very, you know, young.

[SPEAKER_00]: In the book and I guess something they don't talk about. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you ever watch like there's been off. [SPEAKER_00]: He had like a best friend on the show who has long since passed because I think he overdosed. [SPEAKER_00]: But in the book, I think Lamar was saying how like that wasn't really his best friend.

[SPEAKER_00]: The network kind of assigns like his actual best friend couldn't be on the show is not a good fit. [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted a certain like prototype or something. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was the person that was the best friend on the show because I think somewhere in this documentary, he said something about our reality show was completely different and it was so fake.

[SPEAKER_00]: something like that. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, just a whole bunch of things are doing what we in Lamar because the part where they showed the clip of them breaking the swing, I was like, I remember seeing that. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we moved to when the Lakers won the championship and they had the parade and you know, his kids were so excited, they wanted to go and [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he wouldn't come out the room.

[SPEAKER_00]: I apparently he's been partying and he just didn't want the kids to see him that way. [SPEAKER_00]: And he wasn't going to go to the parade. [SPEAKER_00]: They told the kids that like he just wasn't going to make it. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't feeling well. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I can't remember who told him like he better get his butt out there and go to the parade that he can't miss it.

[SPEAKER_00]: and his kids were so devastated because they saw him on TV. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like immediately, why are we not cutting to Lamar for his version of the story? [SPEAKER_00]: They do later, but at that time, we don't, we don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he didn't have a version of the story.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, even in that moment, didn't he say something to the effect of like people, you know, a lot of stuff happens and you have regrets when you are in Or I don't even know if you call yourself an addict though, or yeah, when you are heavily using drugs or some sort of phrase like that, I think it's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he said he couldn't even remember because that's another thing. [SPEAKER_00]: There's some things he says and even on the show and the Kardashian is like, oh, I don't remember and I'm like, do you or is it shame or, you know, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: So Chloe says something that I thought was telling.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, no, in the beginning, it was recreational and responsibly done. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, Chloe, man, she meant though. [SPEAKER_01]: He was still going to practice. [SPEAKER_01]: She meant he was still going to practice. [SPEAKER_01]: He was going to game when he was doing his job.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ergo, if he wanted to party afterwards, what if it looks fine to me? [SPEAKER_00]: I did, it's not that I didn't understand. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, I was on the impression for everything else or whatever, was that she didn't know that he did drugs at all. [SPEAKER_00]: So when you say he was recreational and responsibly done, you would always know that there's a possibility that it will get worse.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you are 25 years old, 24 years old, no you don't actually. [SPEAKER_01]: If you are not familiar, I think there's a part of me who, you know, I've never done anything, I've never tried weed, I've never, there's a, if you haven't lived it, you don't know and if you haven't been exposed to enough stories, you don't know, like why would you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: Every person that became an addict started out small and it led to something. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a possibility that it would. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're an athlete where your whole thing about being an athlete is like your discipline, you want your engine to be in tip top shape, but you're doing drugs.

[SPEAKER_00]: To me, that's already like a telltale sign that okay, something is a little off. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with, you know, I find something I found like funny about the documentary when they talk about the trade, where it's not really not have read like multiple books about the lake or is watch multiple documentaries and Kobe was such an asshole to shack and it all came down to the fact that shack would come back from the off season and be out of shape and I would just need some time to get himself back into shape and Kobe was absolutely disgusted that this man would show up to training camp or whatever like not in good basketball shape.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that Colby liked Lamar so much was such an indicator to me that no matter what drugs Lamar was doing, up until he wasn't, Lamar showed up to practice, in great shape, did his job to the level that Colby liked him? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want me to people Colby shit talks? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, they did have a special relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, something that wasn't shown that, you know, from the book, the throes of Lamar's drug addiction, he used to get drug tested in case anyone who's wondering, like, oh, don't they drug test athletes, which they do? [SPEAKER_00]: But his addiction was so deep. [SPEAKER_00]: And for people who have money or a famous or wealthy, there's always an able, like when people talk about, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: Epstein, the Epstein's, there are people that are enabling them.

[SPEAKER_00]: These people are not booking flights. [SPEAKER_00]: These people are not booking. [SPEAKER_00]: There's always a navelist. [SPEAKER_00]: So Lamar had his enablers and he at some point in the depths of it, got someone to buy him a, how shall I say it? [SPEAKER_00]: A rubber black penis? [SPEAKER_00]: and they put their own pee in there because when they're watching they had to watch him in the bathroom actually peeing so they got something so he pretended to pee but he was just pushing on it so that the pee would come out then they would think he was his and that's how he passed a drug test.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know another thing that we kind of glossed over because the documentary just kind of mentioned it. [SPEAKER_01]: When Phil Jackson was talking about him coming to the lakeers he mentioned we knew he had some issues and they showed a thing where like he failed a drug test before he came to the lakeers [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but that I'm telling you these sports documentaries always, if you could play, they will look past anything a little drugs, you domestic violence, they will look past anything if you can play.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: He validated a drug policy that I don't know what it was that he failed or what drug exactly because I'm thinking like, maybe if it's weed, they're like, yeah, it's just weed, you know stuff, but if it's like. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm looking at 3D and tell us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Another thing that I think is indicative of, you could say what you want about the Kardashians. [SPEAKER_01]: But when LJ was like, the thing about the years he was married to Chloe is that I knew I was going to get a good gift from Chris and Chloe. [SPEAKER_01]: Say what you will, but like, [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if you marry into the Kardashians, they're good to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're considered family, I feel like they are very, very good to you. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're as a, I don't want to say a niceness. [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, no. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to call it, but if once you're in, the way Chris would take care of Mason, I think she was good to Kanye, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's so scary, but okay, so I don't know how to say yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not disagreeing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're usually nice, but I think like it's to their detriment, and I don't necessarily think it's a good trait because And was it the previous these two seasons ago where Kim was saying like, oh, once we date someone, we never let them go.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, okay, that's cute, but it's not cute. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why Tristan is here. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why Kanye is still coming in and out. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why we do that. [SPEAKER_00]: And then recently when they sold their house, [SPEAKER_00]: They were talking about how Chris is not maternal, like Kendall was just talking about how their mom just said him to do anything because she couldn't be bothered for someone who has so many children.

[SPEAKER_00]: So technically, logistically yes, good at all of that, but in the main things, Chloe is the one who raised the younger kids. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why they call her mom. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I get what you're saying. [SPEAKER_00]: It is nice outside looking in buying something.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just tell your assistant to buy a gift. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that hard. [SPEAKER_00]: So, but yes, that was pretty funny. [SPEAKER_00]: When he said that, you know, that was, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: what he enjoyed during the time that they were married. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a kid.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what was important to him at that time. [SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, what we started from all this was just like, I just felt was this when she said recreational responsibility done for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I either forgot or I didn't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, she knew. [SPEAKER_00]: That it was a thing and which I get listen in LA when people say hey, would you like a drink?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's as easy as hey, would you like some and they're holding out cocaine to you like just a little bump to do that? [SPEAKER_00]: So I just didn't know that she knew from jump Um, let's take a quick break and we'll come back to see when all the trouble started Okay, and we're back So Chloe says that two years in is when he started to disappear [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that it really was two years?

[SPEAKER_00]: For someone who was an addict? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, well, that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: Attics are good at hiding stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think, like, you took up the two years or it was less than that? [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a graduation. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's the part where you called, and you're like, you know, I'm gonna be out on my, I'll be home, like tomorrow on noon.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you show up at like five. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you didn't technically disappear. [SPEAKER_01]: But as you lose control, then you don't call, you don't say nothing and you come home two days later or you don't come home and I'm looking all over for you. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think two years is probably when things get worse, but basically, it ramps up.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a switch, it's a ramp. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, incident one, the gaps between the incidents shortened and then suddenly you're like, wait, I think there's a problem. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: She did say I suspected, but I wasn't sure that he was cheating on me.

[SPEAKER_00]: This girl was looking for him in hotels in alleys. [SPEAKER_00]: She was cleaning up after him and parting with someone else and this lady saying, like, yeah, he's doing too much and calling her to say, hey, hi, I've been fucking a husband and I didn't know if I should call you. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what's [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, it's, this is, I will say, this documentary is not great for Chloe's dignity.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's way past that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like we've seen enough on so many things. [SPEAKER_01]: So, but Chloe, like, I one point, I was like, Bob the builder. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, I'll fix you. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now it's a good time for me to share what I was saying because she does admit like I was an enabler She does say also I was 24 I was keeping all these secrets and this is where I've had this conversation with another friend of mine When we were watching this when we watched yet again Chloe being made a full of on TV I don't know how much you know about you know the whole Tristan thing [SPEAKER_01]: But just that he openly cheats on her, she took him back.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, like you decide to have a second baby with him, even though they broke up. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that, okay, kind of like, but there's like a caveat to that. [SPEAKER_00]: So they have two children, right? [SPEAKER_00]: The first child, while she was going into labor or she went into labor early, when she found out that he was cheating on her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that I'm coming to the delivery room and I was like, I'm not going to ruin that experience. [SPEAKER_00]: Then she wanted to have a second child and she kind of took him back. [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't really want to. [SPEAKER_00]: He knew that he was having another child with someone else did not tell her, but kind of spread out the process and said, hey, let's just have another one by surrogate and then didn't tell her that knowing they had one in the way and she felt tricked and then that's how she had the second child.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because she thought that was happening and then they did the implantation like God knew [SPEAKER_01]: that I mean. [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy to the point where she said like I didn't really bond with my son Tatum until a little while because of all the sugar and sand. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's two, two children, two experiences that he is ruined for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: But my point is we've watched Chloe get cheated on all through the years, all Kardashians, every boyfriend, even when she was with, I don't know if [SPEAKER_00]: when she was with, was it been Wallace? [SPEAKER_00]: It was a basketball play that a kid that was to eat back in the day. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, wasn't she with James Arne for a bit?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I don't know if we don't know what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we never saw him on the show. [SPEAKER_00]: She was with French Montana, she was with, but either way, when you said Bob the Builder and this is where I blame Chris because I don't know what Chris taught them or told them, but it's basically these men feel like I can do whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_00]: You're not gonna kick me out, so why not? [SPEAKER_00]: Who doesn't wanna eat their cake and have it? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, even after all of this happened when Tristan's mom died, [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he didn't know what to do, not he didn't know what to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said he needed a place to stay. [SPEAKER_00]: His place was being remodeled. [SPEAKER_00]: He came to stay in Chloe's house with his brother who is, um, special needs. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say yes, cerebral palsy am not sure, but then Chloe's on one taking care of him. [SPEAKER_00]: Even after all of this, and then it's under the umbrella of niceness, which is cool, which is nice, but I think it's to her detriment.

[SPEAKER_00]: How are you ever going to find someone? [SPEAKER_00]: or live your own life if you're all you're doing is taking care of people. [SPEAKER_00]: And to me, there's a certain kind of people pleasing that there's towards a symptom of low self esteem. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's my issue with all of this and why I don't think she owes Lamar anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Last season, he came over. [SPEAKER_00]: She was so mad at him that he was all the shit that he put her through, not appreciated. [SPEAKER_00]: He says he didn't remember and all her sister Kendall told him was like, [SPEAKER_00]: after everything. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like she's been through so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't owe him anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I will not purchase like completely just keeping out your life. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's my issue with it. [SPEAKER_01]: So you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the kindness is to her own detriment. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know me. [SPEAKER_01]: I hate a person who says there are there.

[SPEAKER_01]: People please are. [UNKNOWN]: Um. [SPEAKER_01]: you know, much like we're like you can have all this money and still not be able to find like the help you need to kick drug addiction. [SPEAKER_01]: You can have all this money and still not be able to find the therapist that will help you start to put yourself first.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she just said I didn't therapy. [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy to think that she's never done therapy this whole time, but Courtney was like go see someone please. [SPEAKER_00]: So, but then one of her therapists, I think she quit because I think that [SPEAKER_00]: Um, sports is ruthless because they have no loyalty, but Lamar finds out that he's been traded to Dallas Mavericks on the radio in 2011 and just a little anecdote is [SPEAKER_00]: I went to a game I still lived in Dallas at the time when Lamar was on there and I remember telling my friend, like, is Lamar okay?

[SPEAKER_00]: He looks so paranoid. [SPEAKER_00]: So he was always on the court, always looking around, like someone was coming for him. [SPEAKER_00]: At the time, of course, I had no idea about the drug use, I had nothing of looking back it made sense, but at the time I had no idea that he was an addict.

[SPEAKER_00]: in stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: So she says that he overdosed. [SPEAKER_00]: Mobile times she even pumped his stomach and I'm like, this is too much. [SPEAKER_00]: And where was her mom to tell her? [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to go through this. [SPEAKER_00]: You are young. [SPEAKER_00]: Like let someone take care of him because I'm sure I'm almost like, oh, you have to stay.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to take care of him. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, they're mom left their dad because she might bruise. [SPEAKER_00]: And when it's to be with it, so I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's that for escaped, but this was too [SPEAKER_00]: So they get a professional to do an intervention.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the interventionist says, tell them that you're going to fall for divorce if you don't stop. [SPEAKER_00]: And that backfired because Lamar is like, oh, where do I sign? [SPEAKER_01]: I also am just like, where do you find these so-called professionals? [SPEAKER_01]: Instagram. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kidding.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like what kind of professional would, I feel like someone who knows what they're doing would not have, [SPEAKER_01]: Either look, either Chloe is misogging the truth and there was a part of her that did want a divorce because I don't think it's crazy to want a divorce from this situation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Or the interventionist was not qualified for the job. [SPEAKER_01]: It's either one. [SPEAKER_00]: How do you put such heavy stakes on something as sensitive as this? [SPEAKER_00]: Addiction is so strong that for the most part, addicts choose their addiction over people.

[SPEAKER_00]: So why this person think that someone who's already treating Chloe this way is going to pick her over the drugs? [SPEAKER_00]: That's my question. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not supposed to be a choice presented to, that's yeah, that's not a part of, I mean, not the answer. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a made-emrit.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I somehow, I don't think in the how to treat an addict playbook, [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even work for non-addicts, so I don't know why they would try that with it addicts. [SPEAKER_00]: So, at this point something I noticed because his kids are talking heads on this documentary, is that Lamar does not talk a lot about his kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you can turn it off. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but they love him. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's plenty of terrible fathers out there who's kids still love him. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what? [SPEAKER_01]: to bet that Lamar paid his child support on time. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm willing to bet that Chloe paid it for somewhere or many, Chloe paid the child support. [SPEAKER_01]: Because, yeah, I hope that is the case because I don't think you got, they got anything else out of him. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, such a bad father. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, but did the kids say that they found out like, [SPEAKER_01]: They were seeing his incidences and all this stuff on TMZ too.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't until the big one, which we're about to talk about, yeah, what I don't know about the little ones, but yes. [SPEAKER_00]: He just seems so detached from them that I truly wonder what their relationship is. [SPEAKER_00]: Like they didn't even speak about it in the present tense.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, I don't know what their relationship is. [SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about the big, [SPEAKER_00]: Death, the death of Lamar Odom, which was October 13, 2015. [SPEAKER_00]: Lamar decides after the signing the papers that he's just going to go to Vegas. [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes to the bunny ranch or the love ranch where they would start calling it that, which if you guys don't know, that actually it was a reality show about it called cat house was a reality show on HBO was like a HBO after [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I was there with Dennis Hoff. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Dennis Hoff is dead. [SPEAKER_00]: But I do not recall, but I think that he is not, yes, he's dead. [SPEAKER_00]: He's not alive anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, he used to come on way back then back in the days and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's basically like a bunch of escorts and then if you watch 90 day, uh, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Love after luck up. [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the girls was escorts and it wasn't Vegas. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't know if it was the same one where they come in, they ring the bell, all the girls line up and then they pick someone and then they just follow them to the room and you watch them see what they paid for and do the activities that they paid for on HBO.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is where TMZ is foul. [SPEAKER_00]: The incident happens, you know, the weird guy that we see in the beginning suddenly comes back. [SPEAKER_00]: He lays the foundation for us. [SPEAKER_00]: He tells us the building is down here anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: The door was here, the girl came in, and then she calls and was like something's happening and Lamar is like frothing at the mouth.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we realized that he took something called, what was it reloaded or something? [SPEAKER_00]: It was basically to enhance performance, sexual performance, [SPEAKER_00]: And he looked on the back and he says, do not take more than one for 24 hours. [SPEAKER_00]: And he asked the girl how many did you take?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she said 12. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was just the appetizer, because he'd also be partying for a while. [SPEAKER_00]: So he calls the ambulance, they come in there. [SPEAKER_00]: And why is that TMZ as follows? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yes, you are breaking news with these people are someone's loved ones and finding out on TMZ [SPEAKER_00]: That's not cool at all, not cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, something that was a bit of a revelation to me, like, maybe I just forget, but in the beginning when they sort of show, like, how the paparazzi would follow and they showed it to at the end too, but how much they say things to get a reaction out of you? [SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just reading something today where someone said they were involved in some sort of scandal they didn't do anything wrong, but TMZ sent someone to their kid school to because apparently TMZ was outside of any kids school today.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were, they were just to ask about the consequential Western Amanda. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not as serious. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay guys, I've never been so grateful to have never watched that show. [SPEAKER_01]: So, but all this to say and then so this person was like no legal action could be taken against TMZ because they'll deny it's almost like everybody's a freelancer and no one actually works with TMZ so they can't even be held responsible for sending someone to someone's child school.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if there are going to be laws or if anything can be done about it, especially the words we're living today. [SPEAKER_00]: There are no rules. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's just wing in and doing whatever they can, even if it causes harm.

[SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, I said all this thing is, I said about Chloe, but let's be grateful that she is that way because I truly, truly believe that that is what saved his life. [SPEAKER_00]: save your complex. [SPEAKER_00]: They all have that is literally what saved him because what happens is that his dad suddenly comes out of the woodwork and you know as Chloe says thinks that he's going to be his beneficiary because he's just like my son is going to die and I'm going to get something and then Chloe comes in says no I'm you know he's next up can legally what do you need and all he needed was a pair of Nike's hundred dollars and a hotel for the night that is what his son was worth to him

[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that sad? [SPEAKER_01]: But it's so sad, and then you're like, well, how did your son end up where he is? [SPEAKER_01]: You, sir, might have something to do with it. [SPEAKER_01]: How do you end up with it? [SPEAKER_01]: The way you're acting in the situation is very revelatory about the kind of parenting that this man had.

[SPEAKER_00]: another angle that I feel like they could have talked about is just like how does he feel knowing that his dad was an addict he knows what that felt having a parent that was an addict like does he like whether irrationally feel like he blames him for passing it down to him what is their relationship like how does he feel knowing about this but we get nothing at all see this this is [SPEAKER_01]: This is my guess about why I think Lamar plays child support because I think his response to that would probably be some of the effect of like, oh, but like, I was financially provided for my kids unlike my dad.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at me. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing what you did great whole scenarios, but continue on. [SPEAKER_00]: This whole thing becomes a circus because everyone is just talking about it. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I remember that time when Lamar, it was announced. [SPEAKER_00]: What happened to Lamar?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to lie. [SPEAKER_00]: I truly did not think he was going to make it. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that he was going to die because I'm like the way they talked about it. [SPEAKER_00]: I just how would anybody survive this? [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not even possible. [SPEAKER_00]: And then the owner of the Love Ranch Bunny Ranch is then his half.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's also a famous horror. [SPEAKER_00]: He just is milking it to the last. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think what shook me is like, not the ladies from the Bunny Ranch Love [SPEAKER_00]: I just, oh my god, just like, hi, this is Melody from the Love Ranch, wishing you I'm like, what? [SPEAKER_00]: Matt and Howard willing to pimple out this book just to get the interview.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: So, in a way, Lamar is in the hospital. [SPEAKER_00]: Chloe is just like, you know, holding court and saying like, [SPEAKER_00]: At some point she walked in and some of the people coming to visit were like drug dealers. [SPEAKER_00]: I've always wondered about this I don't think that Hospitals have the best security.

[SPEAKER_00]: You literally could just walk in like if you know what room you're going for just walking like you know where you're going and you belong And you could just go into anybody's room And you could have further maternity and baby ward that is a different situation But I will agree with you that they yes the rest of the hospital basically yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's always been fascinating to me [SPEAKER_00]: So either way, the drug dealers were there. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what are you going to do with a man in a coma? [SPEAKER_00]: But they were just trying to go through these things and I'm like, what? [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, and I'm just like, oh, my, are you to pay these people?

[SPEAKER_00]: Or were they looking for more? [SPEAKER_00]: I assume they were looking for money. [SPEAKER_00]: None of it made sense to me because I'm like, I don't think he owed them money because the bunny ranch, they posted his receipts or something. [SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't like 75,000. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't think one thing I think we can't say about Lomar is that he pays his bills and you know, based on what you said, he pays his child support.

[SPEAKER_00]: We think or I don't think so exactly so that's why I was like I didn't understand the logic of this even if you came to the hospital You're gonna rifle through these things and then find what a credit card or I don't know even if he owed you money Are you gonna get you but I don't know you didn't make any sense to me, but He survives [SPEAKER_00]: It's a miracle because I also remember when they said that he woke up and I was like, oh, but he's not, you know, going to be fully functional, like he probably wouldn't be able to talk or anything, but He was, I mean, the fact that he ripped out the tubes from his neck and I was like, oh, he still has the scar to show for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine how painful that was, but [SPEAKER_00]: Um, he's, oh, I should mention that his kids came to visit and I think Liza, I don't know if Liza felt any type of way, I can, I want to bet, okay, that's the part that I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much closure she'd given herself regarding their relationship, but I don't know what it felt like to know that you've been with him since high school.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have two children with him and now when he comes to see him, [SPEAKER_00]: his current wife who just came into the picture 30 days after knowing him is who's policing policing if I can come in if the kids can come in like I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of those ones where I'm like, if she did have feelings, she's very much entitled to them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Chloe did everything right. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not faulted Chloe for, because she even said like, they looked to everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: They were like, everybody needs to sign an NDA. [SPEAKER_01]: She was about to get high fee and they're like, no, no, not you. [SPEAKER_01]: You're good.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the other people. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you cannot tell me, sorry, I've watched a lot of sports documentaries. [SPEAKER_01]: Lamar is like, oh, I have this huge family. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, when his aunt is listing everybody who came to the draft, I'm just like, when you get to a professional sport, and you have all these family, supporting like 10, 15 people, and I'm like, how many people, like, [SPEAKER_01]: Like who is family and who was a user?

[SPEAKER_01]: Hang on on, family. [SPEAKER_01]: There's two to there's different. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Survivors remorse. [SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't watched it, guys, go check it out. [SPEAKER_00]: It depicts, it was produced by LeBron James. [SPEAKER_00]: So he knows what he's saying when you hit the peak and you have to basically pay for being famous and successful.

[SPEAKER_00]: See you, family members. [SPEAKER_00]: But Chloe did everything besides all that. [SPEAKER_00]: She actually cleaned him. [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't control his bowels like he said. [SPEAKER_00]: He was in a diaper. [SPEAKER_00]: And despite all the things that he done, she said, that's my man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna stick beside him. [SPEAKER_00]: She said, I take my wedding bowels very seriously. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going anywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: She rented a place. [SPEAKER_00]: She got him somewhere in the community, where she was living. [SPEAKER_00]: She got him rehab, was doing everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Chloe says, once you smell crack, you will always remember what crack smells like. [SPEAKER_00]: You will never mistake it for anything else. [SPEAKER_00]: I walk into the house, I smell crack. [SPEAKER_00]: I go to see what he's doing. [SPEAKER_00]: And I see that he's smoking crack.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, at the fuck out of here. [SPEAKER_00]: And still doing crack, I don't know what to say after that. [SPEAKER_01]: I will give Chloe credit that in her description, she did not move him into her own house. [SPEAKER_01]: She got some sense there. [SPEAKER_01]: She said, I got him a house away from me to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: No matter what she was doing in the back of her mind, she intended to pursue this divorce. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, him walking in and seeing him doing crack. [SPEAKER_01]: I think just pushed her to accelerate her timeline. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, you're well enough. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you don't need me anymore, I'm out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can I say something that stood out to me was shockingly, we get a reaction to Lamar to this, but his reaction is, man, after going through all that, people were still willing to give me crack. [SPEAKER_00]: He did not say, I didn't say no. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, man, I got a second Lisa life.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't do this. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you would be like disrespectful after everything Chloe did to help me be better or at something. [SPEAKER_00]: Or from my kids, I want to be alive or, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Lamar says, I can't believe these people. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have my best interests or heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, they broke heart to me. [SPEAKER_00]: He's not wrong, but I'm just, I found that [SPEAKER_01]: This is, I'm telling you, throughout this documentary, I just kept on seeing these signs out. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't think this man is clean. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my, there's a whole, I mean, I am no expert.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I believe part of the process of recovery is taking responsibility for your actions. [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that you were, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: you were so in the depths of your addiction that it didn't matter everything the Chloe had done for you. [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't matter that you would almost die.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is how much drugs had a grip on you, but you don't have enough perspective to have that perspective. [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, you're saying, like, I can't believe they was still selling drugs. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just an interesting thought process. [SPEAKER_00]: It is, it really is. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, this was a point where I thought, maybe she did this to tell her side of the story for those that maybe don't watch the show or haven't heard it in any shape or form, like at least people will watch this and maybe hear everything she said because like you said earlier, she did look good or come out good in this.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I do know that I wonder if she is madder herself for it because like I said, when he came on the show, [SPEAKER_00]: he kept calling her baby like nothing happened and she's like don't act like something didn't happen because even after all of this I think she had his valuables and she told her to give it to a friend or something and the friend stole it or it was in a storage and they stole it like he just has bad people around him I guess and they just always do bad things and she tracked it down, found it and then you know even gave it to him and things like that [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, what do you even still try?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he just can't give you the appreciation or anything that you're looking for, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: So, I just don't have like even from this story. [SPEAKER_01]: What I get out of it is just like, he does not have anybody. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: There, I'm kind of a believer.

[SPEAKER_01]: that if you don't have anybody, nobody at all, like you own some responsibility for finding yourself in that situation. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think, I think from Chloe's perspective, even the person who I gave your stuff to could not be in your corner enough not to steal it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, it doesn't help anybody. [SPEAKER_01]: And so you feel like you have to at least be one person who is not, you don't even have to be his friend, just one person in his orbit who doesn't want anything [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he does say to his end of the documentary like people always show their true colors and so I don't trust people, but the one person who was there for you because he has said it before that, you know, Chris, the Kardashian family showed him what it was to be like family that they were always writing for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, when he said there are half people who know him as Lami because that's what Chris calls him. [SPEAKER_00]: But the one person who was there for you of the family that was there for you, you treated them like shit. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, is it a self-fulfilling prophecy?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to tell what came first to chicken at the egg. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because even after he survived and then he was throwing himself back in a lay, [SPEAKER_00]: The kids mentioned it. [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't go see his kids. [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, he said going to events, he said doing things, and he just said, like, partying to show, like, oh, I'm back.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm good at that TMZ or whoever video, when he got into the car, and they were like, are you clean? [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, yeah, yeah, I'm like, were you asking? [SPEAKER_00]: And things like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Some like, is it shame? [SPEAKER_00]: There's a point where you get so much shame or guilt where you're like, I can't face this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it that he just never connected to his kids? [SPEAKER_01]: And he never wanted kids in the first place? [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm like wanting kids and parenting kids very different things very different things and it also like are you capable or are you? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is he incapable?

[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the day, the people who are harmed are his kids, and I found this documentary very upsetting for his children, because this man is a shit father, basically since day one, and no signs that he's any better now. [SPEAKER_01]: And the amount of grace and forgiveness that kids have to have for parents like this just kind of pisses me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it does. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking for you a because honestly it's going to be a lifetime of these kids wanting to prove to their father that they that he should love them more than he loves drugs and it's not I think going to happen. [SPEAKER_00]: and even his son, L.J. [SPEAKER_00]: saying like, I feel like I'm the parent and he's the kid and they were showing them playing video games and I still am not feeling no father's son and then all of the documentary we still didn't even say I would be better for my kids or I love my kids or I appreciate the grace that they're giving me because they might not talk to me we got none of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact guys he ends with documentary by saying oh, I'm Netflix now I'm big time and you know what? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go to Vegas fuck it and the person was like are you and he's like oh, I'm joking and I'm like are you? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there are many moments throughout where I'm like, is this man still in drugs when he's trying to talk about how he wanted to be a coach But he wants to be an MBA coach, but he probably needs to start in college and he wants to go back to school Like a first house like oh, this is great.

[SPEAKER_01]: You want to go back to school Like he probably only did one year before he went to the NBA. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I'm like no, this sounds like grandiose plans The grandiose plans of a person who is on drugs. [SPEAKER_00]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think that. [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought it was like the blue sky syndrome where you know you prefer laying out the plans, but we actually do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you're going to do it. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I kind of hope he does because if he finds some kind of purpose, then that would be great, but listen, this man was on love and hip hop Atlanta for those who may not know because he was allegedly dating Carly Red, Carly Red, who always have a boyfriend and I saw Lamar and I'm like, what are you doing here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like what? [SPEAKER_00]: are we here? [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but yeah, I'll get your way of saying that he's still chasing fame. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think he's lost. [SPEAKER_00]: We can put that under the umbrella. [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like well, I was saying like I wish a hope that it's true that he wants to be a coach start with college.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey go do one Dixon route just funny little college and you know start coaching But and that will give him some kind of structure and maybe some fulfillment for his basketball days But I feel like he's lost and I don't know if that's gonna happen [SPEAKER_00]: but also was he in a rented house or his house because it was a pretty grand house.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that was a house for shooting a documentary shoot. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: That was another interesting thing Chloe said when she said, basically, you guys, this is the way side note. [SPEAKER_01]: But the Kardashians did not film in their own house, probably passed the first couple season.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Chloe basically said, yeah, I was used to not filming in my house, but our show was actually at our house. [SPEAKER_01]: And it reminded me of the greatest column that I missed every day keeping up with the continuity errors where every episode of the Kardashians Mariah Smith would write down when stuff was actually filmed where it was filmed It was lovely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry side note, but um, yeah, when she said that was like I'm Ms. Moriah But it was done for safety reasons, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And they say people were drive it. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yes, a lot of these documentaries, they don't they don't film at your house.

[SPEAKER_01]: They film at a house. [SPEAKER_01]: They rented to film it. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, that was it. [SPEAKER_00]: I just ended it with like I just this is another surface documentary. [SPEAKER_00]: We just wanted to check the box that we have a Lamar documentary, but I don't feel like I got to know anything more about him from his own mouth.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everything else is still. [SPEAKER_00]: projection and speculation from my mind. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you are also way. [SPEAKER_01]: You can name like all these. [SPEAKER_01]: I did not, I've not thought about or really concerned myself with where Lamar has been since it seemed like he was out of the woods with the situation.

[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, I was like glad to sort of get the full story. [SPEAKER_01]: as well as they could do it, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think it's dark, I don't think you're the target audience. [SPEAKER_01]: I think people like me might be more the target audience. [SPEAKER_01]: So you felt is fulfilled, the right word.

[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like I got more of half of the story I'd heard of before. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I heard half of the story. [SPEAKER_01]: I got much, much more of the story. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: From the people who were there, and I think it was mostly a true accounting as the best as people could tell it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I know he still doesn't remember. [SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, I don't know if it's a defense mechanism, his mind is blocked it out or, hey, he doesn't. [SPEAKER_00]: Because, oh, that's the part we didn't talk about. [SPEAKER_00]: Because, this sounds so harsh, but it's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: To be an addict, you have to be a liar. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to be a good liar. [SPEAKER_00]: So the part where Chloe found him with crack, [SPEAKER_00]: She found out that he had a phone because she was like, where or how did you contact people? [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have a phone. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't even type where he could.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was not letting on that he was good or better than she thought. [SPEAKER_00]: And she's here like hoping for the best for you and you have that. [SPEAKER_00]: And you were doing way better than you were letting on. [SPEAKER_00]: So I. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, addicts are manipulative. [SPEAKER_01]: They are, but manipulations are wrong word.

[SPEAKER_01]: They know how to get what they need. [SPEAKER_01]: Chloe is not going to stick around if I'm well. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to be well then. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately. [SPEAKER_00]: OK, one last note. [SPEAKER_00]: is if you are interested in reading this book, it is not the best book, yes, he had a ghost writer, but he did not put any effort into this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically just getting the facts. [SPEAKER_00]: It's called Darkness to Light, a memoir, Oda, Lamar, Oda, and Chris Pomma. [SPEAKER_00]: There's two wrote allegedly the book. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what it's called if you're looking for that. [SPEAKER_00]: So any last thoughts, aide?

[SPEAKER_00]: Nope. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, thank you, as always, [SPEAKER_01]: very glad to be here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look out guys, we might do another documentary. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right. [SPEAKER_00]: All right guys, you know what to find me? [SPEAKER_00]: It's also called MAFS on all of the socials.

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