Unlocked Bonus Episode: Bonus Episode: S4 Bridgerton

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi everybody, welcome to another bonus episode. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Tane and today's episode not reality TV. [SPEAKER_00]: It is about Bridgetton season four part one and who's here to talk about it with me the Bridgetton expert the Bridgetton. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good, and it's me who stands for subject matter expert for those not, you know, and corporate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm corporate. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: How have you been? [SPEAKER_00]: How is your year going so far? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've spoken, but I mean, we're in February now, which to me is just like, how? [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're in February, but we're in the Olympics. [SPEAKER_02]: So I have on cloud nine because, you know, this has been a little bit different.

[SPEAKER_02]: Usually the lead up to Olympics, I've watched figure skating, the Grand Prix season. [SPEAKER_02]: I know who I like from the other countries. [SPEAKER_02]: This past season, I didn't have time to watch Grand Prix, so it's been a little bit different. [SPEAKER_02]: But now that we're in it, you know, it's like, this makes me so happy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just watch the Olympics every day. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for you. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not in it. [SPEAKER_00]: I just see it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not able to. [SPEAKER_00]: But the snippets are coming out. [SPEAKER_00]: And there seems to be like a lot that is going on from the good to the bad, from the guy confessing about his confessing about his cheating on his girlfriend, from Lindsey Vaughn and her smash from Haleg.

[SPEAKER_00]: smash, breaking her leg and her surgeries to the thing that pissed you off so much and people. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually remember the whole Suria Bonale flip funny enough and I'm like, wow, I'm aging myself. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually remember that. [SPEAKER_00]: but there's a whole thing there.

[SPEAKER_00]: From the, just the villains won the goal to, there's a lot going on and I'm not even in it. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine how much it is for you who's immersed in it. [SPEAKER_00]: And I need to send you something. [SPEAKER_00]: We had a listener send something, with ice skating that was so cool and thinking like, oh, they're appreciated and I'm supposed to send that to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you would appreciate it too, so. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: This is fun. [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's driving me crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: She was so freaking cool. [SPEAKER_02]: She was so cool. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't watch her back then. [SPEAKER_02]: I never watched the winter Olympics until the year 2002.

[SPEAKER_02]: So mine is more like a historical thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I know my history. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I know who she is, what she was, what she face. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm like, what? [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I love black people. [SPEAKER_02]: I really do. [SPEAKER_02]: But. [SPEAKER_02]: This story abonitely what people are supposed to get what people are saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: Some of it is just outright lies. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, well, let's say no, not factual. [SPEAKER_00]: It lies. [SPEAKER_00]: You could look up. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just, and you know what people, you're like, you have no context. [SPEAKER_02]: I, oh, you maybe you do. [SPEAKER_02]: This is the truth of the matter.

[SPEAKER_02]: What it comes to this stupid ass black backflip. [SPEAKER_02]: This white dude, in 1976, did a backflip at the Olympics. [SPEAKER_02]: He did it just kind of like, it wasn't against the rules. [SPEAKER_02]: He just did it, it was whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a jump, it didn't count for like a lot of points.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why he did it. [SPEAKER_02]: His name is Terry Subica. [SPEAKER_02]: The ISU, the people in charge of figures skating were like, that's just dangerous. [SPEAKER_02]: So they said no backflips in competition or you get a penalty. [SPEAKER_00]: Can I just say, I don't hear anything good about the ISU.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think about them is just, what, why are these people? [SPEAKER_00]: How can we dismantle the ISU? [SPEAKER_00]: I know we can't. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, but go ahead. [SPEAKER_02]: All of these governing bodies, it's telling me someone, like, I don't know what's going on with the ski borders, but I bet you if you go talk about there, governing body, no one will have anything nice to say either.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a finkless job. [SPEAKER_02]: You make the rules. [SPEAKER_02]: It's usually run by people who used to be athletes. [SPEAKER_02]: People are always like old guard, new guard, innovative, not innovative. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a finkless job, which is why I think that most governing bodies are, you know, painted upon.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, so I, as you was like as dangerous, no, I could do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sorry, Barley gets to the 1998. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm going to Olympics. [SPEAKER_02]: She's injured. [SPEAKER_02]: She's already done a short program where she's in sixth place. [SPEAKER_02]: She goes out to do the long program.

[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't go that well. [SPEAKER_02]: She had the jet beef with the ISU figure skating in general, like they had not always been good to her, but she was a champion. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, she won European's five times. [SPEAKER_02]: She won French Nationals nine times. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like she never won anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: But she's like, you know what? [SPEAKER_02]: This is the end of my career, my competitive career. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I want to go out with a bank. [SPEAKER_02]: So she's like, let me do a backflip. [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't backflip. [SPEAKER_02]: She knew it was against the rules. [SPEAKER_02]: She wasn't trying to get them to change the rules.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's just like, this is, this is my swan song. [SPEAKER_02]: And the part of what makes her badass. [SPEAKER_02]: In a couple years ago, I don't know the exact year. [SPEAKER_02]: Another French skater named Adam Siyo Halphat. [SPEAKER_02]: I think I know I didn't say his name right. [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you know, I'm gonna make it my mission to get these people to let us do backflips.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he does backflips and he takes the penalty because he's so good that he's going to win anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a couple competitions, he knows he's going to win, he's like, I'm going to do a backflip to show these people that it's safe and that we should be allowed to do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess you gives it like, fine then, do you backflips? [SPEAKER_02]: So, Ilya Ballin comes in. [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, he's really, really good. [SPEAKER_02]: He's another one who's going to win anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't even know why skaters do backflips. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this he looks dangerous.

[SPEAKER_02]: Great, like, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: You might hurt yourself, but it's kind of his doing a backflip. [SPEAKER_02]: It's also a little bit of a... [SPEAKER_02]: Look how good I am. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't need to do this. [SPEAKER_02]: It's dangerous. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to do it anyway because I know I'm going to win.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why Elia does a backflip. [SPEAKER_02]: I just, then people are like, he's the first to do a backflip. [SPEAKER_02]: The headlines clearly say he's first to do a legal backflip. [SPEAKER_02]: And legal, but yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Surias was illegal. [SPEAKER_02]: Suria knew it wasn't illegal.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was stealing any gold medal from her because she did a backflip. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna get it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's a lot that we live in. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the history. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is what we miss about you.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the world we live in right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Like everyone's throwing out things on internet and it's like a flame. [SPEAKER_00]: It just catches and no one wants facts because what is that? [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, so I was trying to think about really hard about why I watched that considering.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know for sure I was still in Nigeria, but I think it was because yes, she represented France, but I mean her heritage is African. [SPEAKER_00]: She is from every coast. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it was like we weren't seeing like a lot of black faces and then those of black face and then she was African and she just stood out in Nigeria.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, I watched the winter Olympics where [SPEAKER_02]: And just so like, so you know, I was talking about how I remember, I get excited when I see black figure skaters. [SPEAKER_02]: So Seria Bonnelly like has a legacy in that France has had some really prominent and some really good black figure skaters come after her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Vanessa James, fortunately she was half of a couple though. [SPEAKER_02]: the man half of the couple did some things. [SPEAKER_02]: But Vanessa James and my Matei, I love my Matei. [SPEAKER_02]: She's such a badass. [SPEAKER_02]: She's skated for France for years, went to the Olympics. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, it sucks this year because I don't have a person to report that. [SPEAKER_02]: Just go ahead and skating. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have anybody. [SPEAKER_02]: But here's your hope, thanks for next year. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that is your ice skating history card guys for this episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all good, but we are here to talk about Benedict and Sophie's story. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I did like a little refresher of the last that we did off coming off the back of Penelope and Colin story and correct me if I'm wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: You did say based on the books that Benedict and Sophie's story was your favorite.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is. [SPEAKER_02]: It is my favorite. [SPEAKER_02]: It's nobody else's favorite. [SPEAKER_02]: Like even in the discussion forums, people have all kinds of beef with Benedict and mainly with Benedict. [SPEAKER_02]: No one has beef with Sophie. [SPEAKER_02]: So, but I liked the book, I liked the story, and I really actually like what they have done with it to make it better on Bridgerton.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you have gone ahead of me, but I just want to point out that we did have a listener who agreed with you and said Benedict was their favorite too back then when we did it in twenty twenty four I don't understand these shows with so much I don't have room [SPEAKER_00]: to remember all of the things, so I'm gonna do my best to remember, but I was gonna say but based on the first four episodes do you think they've done your faith, justice, but you've answered that, you are happy with what they gave you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So what we're gonna do is there's no format, we're just gonna riff on the show and talk about the show and everything that we felt about it. [SPEAKER_00]: So as a refresher for people like I said, we're coming off the back of Pinnolope and Colin Story and the reveal that Pinnolope is lady whistled down and you know if you forgot they quickly had a baby we are nine months of [SPEAKER_00]: You know, fast forward and, you know, calling for gave her so easily, well, what I said back then was I could feel like calling in Penelope's love story was like struggle of That's how I felt but it looks like all as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: All is good. [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about the this is I used this very very loosely the ratio of the first two couples like how involved where they in the books afterwards and I'm referring to Daphne and Simon and [SPEAKER_00]: Kate in Anthony. [SPEAKER_02]: So Kate in Anthony, I do watch in the whole time that they're going to be in the second half of the season.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I won't mad at all about that. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's not a racer. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like the difference between a book and a TV show. [SPEAKER_02]: In the book, you can just write people in as being around. [SPEAKER_02]: They don't have a huge role as if I recall is like, [SPEAKER_02]: No, they don't have either one of those couples has a big role in Benedict's story.

[SPEAKER_02]: Benedict, Colin, and Anthony have a pivotal scene in Eloy's story, so good luck to them on that. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's fine if they're there and it's fine if they're not there. [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's just the reality of TV. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a part of me that, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: Why are calling them Penelope even around?

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not doing much because they're not famous in my head The people who blew up are by see out there The people who have not blown up to that extent are like, okay, yeah, we're available I'll be here, but also I mean I kid she is lady whistle down like would [SPEAKER_00]: She has to be here, even though I'm not a fan of that, like, what is the point of being whistle down if everyone knows who you are?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like how is that supposed to work? [SPEAKER_02]: And I think, look, I have, I've reread, or no, I read the whole series when the first books came out. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've reread anything since then. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be a struggle for me to remember some of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if I recall correctly, she stops writing lady whistle down once she's found out, but once she's found out is book four, yeah, book four. [SPEAKER_02]: So she switched with Benedict in order. [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a little further along. [SPEAKER_02]: And in the books, books four, five, and six basically happened at the same time.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they're not doing that. [SPEAKER_02]: So we're almost to the end when we find out that she's lady whistle down. [SPEAKER_02]: for to, like, for the story to make sense. [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not great story that she is lady, whistle-doubted, everybody knows that she is.

[SPEAKER_02]: They need to figure out her pivot. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they really do because nobody believes it's going to work except the Queen. [SPEAKER_00]: And I found the very interesting that was it when the Butler announced her somebody referred to her as lady, whistle-doubted, and I'm like, then after where she was Mrs. Bridgetton, and I'm like, okay, what are we referring to her as, can we pick?

[SPEAKER_00]: Can we say that? [SPEAKER_00]: the queen is giving mad king. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What the heck is going on? [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's worth this time. [SPEAKER_00]: And my only explanation is, I don't know if it's just me noticing now, but it seems very, very clear in this season four, these people live don't live.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: They just sit there and I felt for the queen. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, she has a, [SPEAKER_02]: It's always amazing to be like, I still, you know, I'm a regular reader of historical romance. [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing to be how these people don't have nothing to do. [SPEAKER_02]: That's why they have that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this goes like, I read back then Prince Charles's biography. [SPEAKER_02]: He was in his 50s or 60s when I read his biography. [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like listing like what this man does with his time. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, thank you really don't have much to do to you. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how I felt about the whole Queen and Lady Dambri's storyline is that. [SPEAKER_00]: In line with the book is this TV? [SPEAKER_00]: No, this whole lady, lady Dambary is in the books. [SPEAKER_02]: The Queen is not in the books. [SPEAKER_02]: Like she's the Queen.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they mentioned her, but she's not a character. [SPEAKER_02]: So everything about the Queen and Lady Dambary in their relationship, that is Bridgetton TV, not Bridgetton Book. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I haven't heard anything about the actress who plays her leaving, so I'm like, what is happening right now?

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is history, not book spoiler, because it's not even in the books. [SPEAKER_02]: In history, she dies before him. [SPEAKER_00]: before the queen or the queen dies before the queen. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't get late, Denver. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they died within like two years of each other.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's honestly like, it's well known that he was so ill. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't even, like, no one told him that she passed away. [SPEAKER_02]: They hadn't seen each other, I think, for a few years maybe before she passed away because he was a danger to her and the kids. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so back to my question, what did you feel about the whole storyline, redambery and the queen?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I felt it was just dull, like whatever we aiming to do. [SPEAKER_02]: So this is part of my love for how they've delved into these themes. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Every storyline in this season is about power differentials between upper and lower. [SPEAKER_02]: So I once I saw the Queen and Lady Dambary through the lens of like, when you are have a personal relationship with a person who is in the hierarchy higher than you, your equals up until the part where you're not.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've seen this online, but there's a comparison that people would stitch the two scenes together of Lady Denvery talking to the Queen and then the Queen and Queen Charlotte talking to the King. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen that? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: When they were asking, you know, I would like to go like, no, you are my, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Court. [SPEAKER_00]: You are my ward. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: The terminology and my subjects. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: You are my subject. [SPEAKER_00]: So that was interesting, but it's true. [SPEAKER_00]: Where do you draw the line? [SPEAKER_00]: between, you know, my friend, but anytime I want to wield power on you, I can, but I also found the reasoning a little weak.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's like, what's going to happen if he dies. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, I mean, it's kind of the same thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Y'all don't interact. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not going to change anything, but I don't know if it's just me. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't understand that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just felt like they could have found something stronger. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: The real fun of Bridgetton is that like they really don't have to do anything like they don't and I think that's part of the struggle people are having with the whole storyline there are rules but then there are not rules so it's like In Bridgetton maybe he will die before her because it serves the story In which case are we setting up for that and like I mean yeah [SPEAKER_00]: more of the lens of what I was thinking of is that those two women together are phenomenal that I just thought they could have had a better story.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's where I'm coming from. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the whole, I want to leave. [SPEAKER_00]: Now you can't leave. [SPEAKER_00]: Now you must stay eat this candy. [SPEAKER_00]: Do this was just a little boring for me. [SPEAKER_00]: For them, they could have had a stronger body of work.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess is what I'm. [SPEAKER_00]: I see where you're going. [SPEAKER_02]: I also, this whole like, I like the montroches at the end of the day. [SPEAKER_02]: We, we gotta have more storylines going than just our central romance, unlike the books. [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, they're employed, so how do you do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, it always feels, every time I see them, I'm like, oh, yeah! [SPEAKER_00]: They're here because I think you told me, like you said, they're not in the books, right? [SPEAKER_00]: They're not in the books. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, good for them, and she's about to be a lady in waiting, so I, yeah, good for them on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to have them. [SPEAKER_02]: So this storyline of her becoming a lady-weighted, the other thing is, I feel like we can't fully judge the season, but we've only seen half of it. [SPEAKER_00]: you can. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how last time it was four or four. [SPEAKER_00]: We can judge.

[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't 15 minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: We can have the Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes, Mondrikes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've seen 50, we've seen two bare asses. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, write in my screen up in there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Much like the Petalope and Collins story. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I had said there was so many side stories that were going on. [SPEAKER_00]: where side stories here, I don't think there was much of an interruption with them, but there wasn't, I can't recall what the previous seasons were like, it just took so long.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of yearning, which I guess is the whole thing of Bridgeson is all about the yearning, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it is romance. [SPEAKER_02]: So the rules of the romance genre are that such that [SPEAKER_02]: if our goal is to say I love you. [SPEAKER_02]: Not necessarily to get married, not even to have children.

[SPEAKER_02]: The story sort of ends when both characters know they're in love with each other and say it to each other. [SPEAKER_02]: With words. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're a Bridgetton, you gotta get finger blasted. [SPEAKER_00]: You're not. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna dish it at this point.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we gotta do some yearning. [SPEAKER_02]: We gotta do some like prequel, we can't have the main event. [SPEAKER_00]: They're teasing us until the next four episodes. [SPEAKER_00]: Did you buy chance, listen to the podcast? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you did. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have a chance.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I had all good intent too, but I didn't have a chance to. [SPEAKER_00]: Any nuggets coming out of that? [SPEAKER_00]: It's hosted by Allison, guys. [SPEAKER_00]: The host of Great British Bake-Off, who is just a delight. [SPEAKER_00]: A delight. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's that one girl who's named I can't remember, who owes her win on Bake-Off to Allison.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm talking about though, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, sir. [SPEAKER_02]: Face it. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember a sweet heart, but she was about to lose her shit and then Alice and stepped in. [SPEAKER_02]: She owes Alice and for that win. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, anyway, no, the, you know, I, oh, Lord, was it that's a brick thing?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just good vibes, but no substance. [SPEAKER_02]: Good vibes, no substance. [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel sorry for the people who play these characters. [SPEAKER_02]: First, you got to show up to work, play the character. [SPEAKER_02]: Then you got to do promo, where you just kind of answer the same questions and try to act like everything is so deep and so like meaningful.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so let it's just, it's a lot. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I listen to it though. [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just like, [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad, I'm like, do I get people really into it like to sit there and say, well, my character did it, I'm like really, I mean it's a new thing, you know, like in all the HBO shows after everything isn't after show, they have to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's part of their jobs now. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just waiting for the weather to be warm. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe when I get my walks back, I can listen to these things. [SPEAKER_02]: So you should listen to it because it's fun, not because you're really missing anything. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, oh, good.

[SPEAKER_02]: So on one of the recent, I don't know if we'll get to this, but one of the recent episodes was Eloise and Francesca. [SPEAKER_02]: Celebrities, actresses, you know, talking about their journey, which brings to me the fact that Eloise kind of sucks this season. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the same story.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've kind of liked the idea and it really does, like number, season five, better be Eloise. [SPEAKER_02]: There's no. [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way that it can't be always because they're setting her up for, wow, I'm the last one single, but I don't want to get married. [SPEAKER_02]: So how does this end up?

[SPEAKER_02]: Technically, we haven't done Francesca's story. [SPEAKER_02]: No, we haven't. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's my bit, actually. [SPEAKER_02]: But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, [SPEAKER_00]: let let's talk about you saying that she sucked because I was thinking her intent was the juxtaposition between, yes, she's the last getting married but also the juxtaposition against haicing who really wants to get married and is just like putting it against side by side to fully

[SPEAKER_00]: As if we don't know enough or that she doesn't want to get married to fully cement in our brains that she really doesn't want to get married. [SPEAKER_00]: Although I feel like she kind of loosened a little bit this season. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, how do you? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that's all.

[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't so I think she just didn't know how to backtrack. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it wasn't seen, it was a scene, I was hit at the ball or something. [SPEAKER_00]: She made a comment, I was like, you know what, I'm open to it. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just the fact that when her mom just keeps pushing and pushing for it, she's just like, it's like maybe instinctual to rebel and I was like, you want this thing so bad for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can it be my choice? [SPEAKER_02]: Not you telling me to, but I, I think I'm starting to like, look at it like rebel against what? [SPEAKER_02]: It's unfortunate. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it cracks me up that there are rules that are rules, that there are rules that aren't real rules. [SPEAKER_02]: It's very hard to keep track of what the actual rules are.

[SPEAKER_02]: But let's just say that the rules for Eloise in the year, what, 1817, 1816. [SPEAKER_02]: What are you, you don't have options and it sucks to not have options but it gets to a point where it's just like you really don't have options so might want to start figuring out how you're going to live in the world that you actually live in instead of the world that we would all like for you to live in.

[SPEAKER_00]: But okay again refresh my memory last season didn't she meet someone that she was intrigued by and he was completely inappropriate. [SPEAKER_00]: you know, Sophie. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's going to be consequences. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she can take consequences too. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what does Mrs. Bridgetton want?

[SPEAKER_00]: A married daughter or a Spencer daughter, pick your place in which way, do are we going to see this person again? [SPEAKER_00]: Or no? [SPEAKER_02]: See, oh, he wasn't in the books. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't know this in the books. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I mentioned it in the last podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and this is kind of a spoiler, but not really. [SPEAKER_02]: We have met [SPEAKER_02]: He's in season one and season two. [SPEAKER_00]: That was my African Yelp. [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think that they are going to keep that part of the story because why did they bother showing us him to be given with so yeah, I'll leave that Yeah, you got to tell me who it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not waiting off off pod Okay, I need to know because I definitely don't remember anything about that Okay, but to all wait all this happened. [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't even talked about the people who the season are about that Okay, how much was going on So there's a ball [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Lady Dambary does not want to be the first person to host the ball, and it's Mrs. Bridgeton.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Mrs. the Bridgetons are fully established in, like, in case you forgot who we are, like, we are the motherfucking Bridgetons, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: So, for some respect on our names. [SPEAKER_00]: So, like, everybody wants to be in the orbit of the Bridgetons. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, their name carries weight.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're up up there in the social status, you know, in where are they, New York? [SPEAKER_00]: No, love to. [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking of the, what's that show? [SPEAKER_00]: Go to the page on there. [SPEAKER_00]: And to really show that, I think this season is the one that has the most of the upsets downstairs.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll add down to Abby, where we saw a lot of the people in the downstairs. [SPEAKER_00]: the season. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's probably because Sophie is in, I was about to say that industry. [SPEAKER_00]: So we get to see a lot of the dynamics in there. [SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, as a ball and Benedict is just like, I'm never getting married.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so cool. [SPEAKER_00]: He's what Austin thinks they are in Texas. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm so different. [SPEAKER_00]: I am not the same. [SPEAKER_00]: You are not. [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to make me get married and this is Bridgeson is just like you. [SPEAKER_00]: It is your turn.

[SPEAKER_00]: Your younger brother already got married. [SPEAKER_00]: That is not how it should go. [SPEAKER_00]: You better fix up. [SPEAKER_00]: But he is still in the debauchery of everything. [SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: He comes to the ball, rather late. [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a girl there who's acting like she's been locked in the castle and she's never seen the real world before.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's just enamored by everything. [SPEAKER_00]: They were just massware allegedly. [SPEAKER_00]: They cannot tell who anybody is, but one minute they do, the next minute they can't, [SPEAKER_00]: Tell who this is or not, but you know, it's romance. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going along with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's just fascinated with her and they have a grand old time They go separately. [SPEAKER_00]: They have a kiss, but at midnight. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: She has to run and go away. [SPEAKER_00]: We had we know nothing about who this person is she does [SPEAKER_00]: running to someone and hit them and they can't tell who she is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, that mask was so good. [SPEAKER_00]: And it turns out that it was her, so to speak, step mom. [SPEAKER_00]: But she left with her glove and he has the glove and he is determined to find out who that person is and so begins the story of Sophie and Benedict and we begin to find out that she is a maid with Lady Penderton, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, how did this play out in the book? [SPEAKER_00]: Was it like that? [SPEAKER_02]: It was almost exactly like that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was almost exactly like that. [SPEAKER_02]: Not like, was it gloves though? [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Benedict meets this girl at a ball.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was like the whole, she was, like Benedict is less jaded in the books and less of like a liberty. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if you will. [SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't, [SPEAKER_02]: so much to like oh she's just fascinated by things because she's never seen them before she was just kind of cool and like they talked and he fell in love instantly and then she had to run and she left something behind but I don't know what it was and then yeah um a major like difference is that as you get into further into the story is [SPEAKER_02]: The time between Benedict sees her at the ball as the lady in silver, and the time when he runs into her at the country house, there's a two year difference in she cuts her hair.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I just want to hear about the time though, because I'm like, you know, from when she's guys kicked out, when she finds another job like what is, [SPEAKER_00]: The time difference between that. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: So, but the show doesn't have that time difference. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have it. [SPEAKER_00]: Penelope would have had more kids. [SPEAKER_00]: If they have that. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, when I was watching the ball, all I could think about was how much this is cost. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that fascinates me in TV movies and stuff like that is. [SPEAKER_00]: The extras, how much does it cost to get all those clothes on them, especially since they have so many balls during this season, they have them in the garden, they have them walking in the streets and all that stuff, and I'm just like how much did this cost, that was what thought I was going to read.

[SPEAKER_02]: same, but like I just I really loved the ball. [SPEAKER_02]: I loved everybody's costume. [SPEAKER_02]: Some people are like I don't like it. [SPEAKER_02]: The Joan of Arc on Eloise. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought she looked amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: I have a note. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought she looked like a superhero.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like I mean I liked it better when I saw the full thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like it's is flattering but I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't look like it looked like I didn't like it overall. [SPEAKER_02]: So I even loved to now let me the pirate. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I was cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and I enjoyed the mantra. [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed, like, yeah, I enjoyed all of everybody else's in. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: Love all of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Lord Anderson and Lady Bridgeton, the chemistry is palpable. [SPEAKER_02]: Also not in the books.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also I love it. [SPEAKER_02]: I love this thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I love the change. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that she's been so devoted to her children And now she's like telling him like listen, I want you. [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to touch me. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and then I love when her maid was just like I'm gonna get everybody out you deserve to live T is meant to be drunk or whatever It's like you said and I'm like get you somebody who is loyal to That way so good casting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to say because like I said [SPEAKER_00]: the chemistries there, but I'm not sure how she's going to tell Lady Dambary or just not say anything and let her go find her roots and live happily ever to write her letter. [SPEAKER_00]: She can't do anything across continents, you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: But see, this makes them even, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, she don't have to worry about them. [SPEAKER_02]: And I love the fact that that is kind of like a storyline that we've carried through. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like word Anderson thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like the idea that [SPEAKER_00]: see that then that plays nicely like that's a good you know enjoyable story it's not dull.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a question for you, they kept calling Benedict's a rake. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that a play on hoe? [SPEAKER_00]: Basically but it's like [SPEAKER_02]: And the historical romance genre, like full 75% of the men are lakes, but it's one of those things that has no basis in reality. [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you were an actual rake back in the day, you would have been a problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you wouldn't be like, you would actually be shunned. [SPEAKER_02]: People would not be trying to get your daughters to marry them. [SPEAKER_02]: They look, these people, you know, were running around with diseases and whatnot, sleeping with hookers. [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's a romance genre thing to be like a man, it's a rake, but he's still desirable.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's, that's not real. [SPEAKER_00]: What ever happened to the seamstress that he was seeing? [SPEAKER_00]: They just wrote her out. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you know, Lady Dellaquart. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm kind of sad about her not being there. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping it's because she got some sort of better job, but I'm Bridger 10, but I'm like, my dad Dellaquart was like helping out Penelope with the lady whistle down stuff like she was a character and I kind of miss her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, [SPEAKER_00]: If Eloise decides to get married, maybe she'll show up again. [SPEAKER_02]: It's nice to see. [SPEAKER_00]: It's nice to see. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to drop a little fun fact for a certain sect of people, just in case. [SPEAKER_00]: The actress who plays Sophie, she is Australian, her name is Yerin Ha, but her grandma is a very famous South Korean actress.

[SPEAKER_00]: For those of you who watch K dramas, you might recognize her. [SPEAKER_00]: Her name is Sun Suk. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really watch K dramas because they're like romance and all that year And it's too much for me. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's some kinds that I watch and she's been in one that I watch which is the glory Which is on Netflix which is you know really great and there's a thing about revenge and bullying and stuff But that was the little fun fact there is like you probably have seen her grandma in K dramas if you watch K dramas and that's it That's awesome.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did not know that [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like the enthusiasm from the Bridgeton fandom was not as intense for this coming into this fourth season and That was simply because we don't we haven't met Sophie before. [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't met Benedict before But last season with the Colin the Penelope of it all.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they've been there from the beginning Their storyline has been like played out from the beginning [SPEAKER_02]: So I felt like people were super super excited and then people were kind of blah about season 4, but I mean, personally, I'm enjoying season 4 more than I enjoyed season 3.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think for me, it's just... [SPEAKER_00]: for many, many reasons. [SPEAKER_00]: The world is on fire right now. [SPEAKER_00]: There's way too much going on. [SPEAKER_00]: There's way too much content, and it's been too long. [SPEAKER_00]: For someone like me, I'm just trying to remember, like I'm grasping the straws to remember, okay, what happened?

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, I should get into this, and I need to watch like all four episodes. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it for me. [SPEAKER_00]: That's where like my enthusiasm was not the same as the previous seasons. [SPEAKER_00]: But if you remind me that season three also came two years after, then everything I've said is bullshit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the world was not a fire this way. [SPEAKER_00]: It was burning, but not like this. [SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Just just wearing the upside down, the bad place right now. [SPEAKER_02]: So I just, I actually just attribute it to what I just said. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just think, and but I do think people are catching on and like, as they watch their enjoying it and they remember why they love British.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, but I mean, that's not what you, online, you just see all the complaining. [SPEAKER_02]: Why did they split into two parts? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, they haven't done this before. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's just, [SPEAKER_00]: To be fair, I do think that you could say that for every season except maybe season one because I mean the first you can't Lightening in a bottle twice, but I feel like there was a lot of complaints last season the same thing with Penelope and Collin They're like there's no chemistry and of course, it plays a part like because she was not she's like they see her as plus size [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's the problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like people saying like the season two, the Anthony that they didn't have that much chemistry and it's like why? [SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's again, they're not, it's not like go white lead. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's always issues or complaints that come with that. [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately in the world that we live in.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if that also plays a part here is like we have a Asian actress with a white lead. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's part of it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I think the different reaction, look, at the end of the day, the Bridgerton main fandom is women.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And I do feel like the different reactions account for who the main woman is. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And whether you can see yourself in her. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you can never make anyone happy, especially these days. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's looking for what to complain about, because by all accounts, if you look at it, it has all the elements of what British is about.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's nothing, I mean, that you're going to poke at that. [SPEAKER_00]: It is where it is. [SPEAKER_00]: So unless maybe the novelty has worn off, like that's the same way you start to show it, but it's like, oh my god, it's so this, so great. [SPEAKER_00]: And as the years go by.

[SPEAKER_00]: People wake up and suddenly decide that that is not as whatever I see used to be for no good reason really so there's that okay, um, I want to talk about Lady Penwood [SPEAKER_00]: What did evil evil woman go what a gorgeous gorgeous actress right she's so pretty Very pretty doing her job very well of the building building Villinizing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, villain villainy. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great Playing it very well and then with her daughters they like the new what is Penelope's mom's name [SPEAKER_00]: Um, oh, God. [SPEAKER_00]: Feather. [SPEAKER_02]: Featherington. [SPEAKER_00]: Featherington. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, he's like her daughters and she's trying to, well, what is nice one is good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, what is this Cinderella and the her step sisters. [SPEAKER_00]: It really is what I'm so few was doing. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was a little confused when we first meet her and her dad says, you're my ward and then, you know, I found out later that. [SPEAKER_00]: That just means that she really wasn't in the legitimate child.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was lying when she told her that When she said that I thought she I thought she was like Her mom died, but I didn't know her mom wasn't actually was really made. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the whole thing was made up, but that's what it meant So that's very cruel. [SPEAKER_00]: I just one person is not gonna affect your money, but that's where we find her But to finish her as a maid is that that's that's balsy [SPEAKER_02]: And she banished her as a maid as punishment for grabbing Benedict's eye.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, in the books, I think that's what happened in the books. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and in the show too, like, it wasn't that she, like, borrowed the shoes or whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: Her real beef was that Benedict was now looking for her instead of looking at her daughters. [SPEAKER_00]: But she's been a maid even before the wall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, but the kicking out part. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was talking about making her a maid once her dad died. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, oh, sorry, yes, that's, yes, that's insane. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't, I don't know what could be better because she is right if she went anywhere and now mom was a maid and she's a legitimate child.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the rules were back then in society, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It may just seem so extreme, like she's not going to affect anything, but maybe she felt it would affect her daughters, I guess. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I'm hoping in the second half we're going to find out why she's evil, I hope.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, with the illegitimate children, it's not like, like, depending on how rich you are. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can acknowledge your illegitimate children, you can bring them up in society, you can, they're not gonna marry as well as your illegitimate children, but like with the right number dowry, they can get someone.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, like her dad had set her up for that life. [SPEAKER_02]: Her stepmom is the one who took it from her. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like she didn't have to be a maid. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I think it's our listeners. [SPEAKER_00]: No, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I just stand inside.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it's working out for her or she thinks it's working out for her. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yes, we're up to where she kicks her out because she just everything came together. [SPEAKER_00]: She realizes that this is a person who bumped into her, this is a person that has as eight said, caught the eye of Benedict instead of it being her daughter, so therefore the competition must be banished.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just wondered how did Sophie find work? [SPEAKER_00]: Who did she know? [SPEAKER_02]: Um, in the country side, I think in the, yeah, she just kind of left and went to the countryside and found a job, I can't remember what happened. [SPEAKER_02]: She fell on hard times. [SPEAKER_02]: She fell on hard times.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was the other thing, like the other reason why Benedict didn't recognize her in the book. [SPEAKER_02]: She'd lost weight because she fell on hard times. [SPEAKER_00]: I also wondered the time span between when she left to the made wars, because we don't really know what the time was, all I know was like she was banished, and then the next day there were wars for the means, so I'm like, wow, she was that effective.

[SPEAKER_00]: People are handing bags of money to find help, and Penelope's mama is thinking her ugly ass two senses will go dresses would do the trick. [SPEAKER_00]: Why is this woman still unlikable at this point? [SPEAKER_02]: No, that was possibly one of my favorite parts. [SPEAKER_02]: I felt you stole bad for Varlie.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like heartbroken for Varlie. [SPEAKER_02]: Varlie probably didn't even get paid when they were going through their rough times. [SPEAKER_02]: Varlie would pull the hell. [SPEAKER_02]: And then she asked for money. [SPEAKER_02]: And you, you know, the internet was like, this is the equivalent of being offered a pizza party at work.

[SPEAKER_02]: 80, 70, whatever century style, 1970. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, why is it so keeping Penelope's sisters on the show? [SPEAKER_00]: There's no story for them anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, one of them is dating Benedict in real life. [SPEAKER_00]: That is true. [SPEAKER_00]: The one who's daughter, she has famous parents.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know why they're keeping them around. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I don't know why they keep them around. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, speaking of Penelope, we need to keep Penelope and calling away from carriages. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what comes over them when they're in the carriages.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that leads us to Francesca and John. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was very clever when they had a double date with Penelope and calling in. [SPEAKER_00]: They ordered and John ordered vanilla ice cream. [SPEAKER_00]: It was like vanilla Just dropped it on there after we just saw that John and Francesca have just nice sex, you know nothing like The things that Penelope and Colin do and she needs to know what pinnacle means and I'm like did her mama give her a talk I know she gave definitely a talk [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't really give Daphne a talk this evening and ended up having to go to the maid for a real talk in books Which we will not see in the books.

[SPEAKER_02]: Daphne then make sure that all of her sisters have a good talk before they get married all of them You go girl, but in the show what are we doing here. [SPEAKER_02]: It has drove me absolutely insane I was like how can we have all this discussion of a pinnacle? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully there's no children in the room [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I was like, are we, is anybody going to mention a clitoris? [SPEAKER_02]: Anybody? [SPEAKER_02]: Anybody? [SPEAKER_00]: No, they're not. [SPEAKER_00]: She's going to figure it out by herself. [SPEAKER_00]: It drove me crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's the fact that [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so when she first met John and I can't remember you've told me this about how we went in the books, but it's like when when she first met John, I think she felt understood and she felt like this is someone I can talk to about anything and then all of a sudden it just feels like she's on comfortable around him and I'm guessing it's something to do with the whole Nikailer thing, but she's not here at a site out of mind.

[SPEAKER_00]: So why she suddenly uncomfortable is it's just her realizing that something is missing? [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's where we're supposed to be going. [SPEAKER_02]: The franchise's story is really, so it's like you almost can't, nothing is the same, nothing is the same. [SPEAKER_02]: Like clearly we've had our gender stop, but in the books, [SPEAKER_02]: her first marriage was amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were in love. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they had problems in the bedroom, because it's romance. [SPEAKER_02]: No one has problems in the bedroom. [SPEAKER_02]: Everything just magically works. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a half of me that actually kind of likes the fact that they're going to have to work a little on the bedroom stuff instead of it just working.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I, that's what I would actually like to see in the second half of the season. [SPEAKER_02]: I want them to have to work to have good sex. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, how are we gonna concentrate on that if we're getting the signals that she's feeling Michaela? [SPEAKER_02]: That's another thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: When Michaela was my goal, [SPEAKER_02]: She wasn't there was like he was just their friend like he was in love with her I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_02]: This is like book spoiler future show spoiler, but it's not spoiler because they're writing a different story Don't worry. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not gonna remember.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be like six years But like in the books. [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's kind of in love with her She is in no way shape or form has any interest in him. [SPEAKER_02]: She's in love with her husband and they are so happy together [SPEAKER_02]: It isn't till like a couple years after unfortunate events that anything happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like the way they're playing it on the show is partly very confusing and kind of annoying. [SPEAKER_02]: And this is one where I'll agree with book people. [SPEAKER_02]: Not everything has to be the same, but I don't like this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this throwing a wrench in the fantasy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, they could have bought a whole storyline just about like figuring out sex, but not making it feel like there's something lesser about this relationship or that McKinley's even a part of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, did Francesca worry about children in the book? [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that is a huge thing with Francesca is her infertility.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, Mrs. Bridgeson didn't really hang a lot with Lady Dambary, but probably because they just had a dull story, so they didn't want to involve her in nuts and good for her if it's escaping nuts. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, why does Benedict not have a carriage that's covered?

[SPEAKER_00]: That bothered me. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was damn easy. [SPEAKER_00]: It just bothered me. [SPEAKER_02]: That's funny. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, characters are different from like the, like, what, like, young men would use to get around. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, they wouldn't use characters as much as they would use what he had, which is like an open air carriage for two.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, that's why he got the rain fell on him. [SPEAKER_00]: Get it, just had a covered one. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this is seen. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, after they have their, their and food, I feel like we're not talking enough about the least. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if that's an indicator of anything, but it's like it was just a long drawn out. [SPEAKER_00]: I think everything is gonna... [SPEAKER_00]: Hit the pinnacle in the next four episodes the second half of the season But they have a great time in his country side because where he meets her again is he she's working for one of his friends And they were trying to be unsavory [SPEAKER_00]: towards her and he went to savor and then he got into a fight and then he got hurt and she said she was fired and then she said she was headed to London, he said so was he but then they got hit by the rain and ended up in his cottage somewhere out in the country and they get to spend some days she hears him, he said he's fine, why did he say he was fine?

[SPEAKER_00]: I was so annoying to be like, literally, you're cut, but she heard him like in pain during the night and then she got him to turn again to care of his things and the crab trees if I got that right the people who take care of the house come the next day and Mrs. Crab tree begins to see something happening there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even though I mean they kept it pretty PG so [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what she saw, but, you know, the old still have the wisdom. [SPEAKER_02]: The old, okay, so I actually want to go back to sort of the same theme. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: At that moment, where Sophie could have walked into the drawing room at the penwoods and told him that she was, you know, the lady and sofa.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she looks at the other guy and says, he does not, this will not be good news. [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want me, he wants a fantasy that he's built. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I was really kind of like very sad, but I was so happy because it's truth. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was walking in and saying I'm her only creates complications for him that he doesn't even want.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was annoyed. [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't going that first, too, but then I just when she said it, I was like, yes, so far, you go over so smart. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, suck it, Mrs. Pennwood, but yeah, right, in the grand scared thing when you're not being impulsive, that was the right thing to do, but yes, it was pretty sad, but knowing Benedict, I mean, the thing about rich kids, privileged kids, they want to feel struggle.

[SPEAKER_00]: and they find struggle in whatever it is they deem to be struggle and he's just all going to be I'm going to fight for a love it's fine because I mean he doesn't know he knows now that she's a maid and doesn't stop anything. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no no no no see I'm sorry I forgot to remember how I was talking about in romance there's the I love you and that's the most important part.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm Sometimes people try to be like creative but at the end of the book you got to be married [SPEAKER_02]: Not non-mistress. [SPEAKER_02]: Mary. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Please. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_02]: Benedict is actually your classic.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so different. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so special. [SPEAKER_02]: But it never occurs to him in a million years to marry a mate. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: He is not that imaginative. [SPEAKER_02]: He knows, like, this is the fun of Bridgeton. [SPEAKER_02]: There are real consequences for some things and there are real rules for some things and then other things are just about the window.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Benedict cannot, these is class. [SPEAKER_02]: This is class. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: This is why I actually really enjoyed what they did in the show with showing us the downstairs. [SPEAKER_02]: Showing Mrs. Crabdry telling him, y'all have a power differential. [SPEAKER_02]: Things are not up to her.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're up to you because you're up here [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could ruin her. [SPEAKER_02]: And when you're like, oh, they weren't even that PG. [SPEAKER_02]: Like the fact that Sophie is a maid who is not working, she's a guest. [SPEAKER_02]: Like the properties were so cool about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, they know this is like wholly inappropriate. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: On every level, she's not his equal. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: This is gross to trade, but, you know. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I think that's the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, watching Bridgetton, like Bridgetton is such a lack of a better word, a mind-fuck, because it's historical fiction in some way, and they're all these rules, like the things that you just mentioned right now that you have to remember.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then you're also watching them being progressive, where they're like being into racial, and they're making all these things, and you're like, oh yeah, you forget that, yes, they're doing that, but that's all part of the, [SPEAKER_00]: the show's appeal. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where it gets all, you find it very easy to forget some of these things.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the show is elective. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Penelope and Collins, baby is the new Lord's Reverendton. [SPEAKER_02]: What nonsense is that? [SPEAKER_02]: You can't pass a title down a female line this way, except for with very special exceptions. [SPEAKER_02]: So like, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the, I think that's part of the reason why the audience is like thrown off. [SPEAKER_02]: It's because, oh, there's these rules for this thing, like exactly what you said. [SPEAKER_02]: There are rules, and then there are rules that don't count. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the way I took that when she said, oh, Lord featherington, I just thought it was her being cookie all over again because it won't work Well, why would even want to be featherington over a Bridgetton?

[SPEAKER_02]: There's lots of Bridgetter, but he's going to be Lordtime everything to what like what which is totally a thing by the way, but it's anyway No, I know. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, but like I said in the top of the episode, put some respect in the Bridgetton name Like who would want to be a featherington when you have the option to be a Bridgetton?

[SPEAKER_00]: So I just took it as her [SPEAKER_00]: Just so happy that she's in the fold in some way. [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, oh, Lord, Father, didn't. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's that. [SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, they're playing around. [SPEAKER_00]: They have chemistry, listen guys, at the ball, they kissed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay? [SPEAKER_00]: At the house, at the cottage, they did kiss too. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was so funny. [SPEAKER_00]: This man came out the lake. [SPEAKER_00]: He was swimming naked. [SPEAKER_00]: He came out and had his pants all the way down. [SPEAKER_00]: And he wasn't wet. [SPEAKER_00]: like his face was so dry, even though he came out and said, I was like, how many minutes did it take?

[SPEAKER_00]: Carver, it takes to the take. [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool, that's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the fact also that I mean he looked good, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't an aggressive six pack. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like an aggressive chisel cut, like oh my god, you need to, but he looked good, so I appreciate that about Benedict.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, now when they went back to London, there was a part where like he said, I found you work and they land at the British in the house and she's like, oh, I don't want to work for you. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you noticed this. [SPEAKER_00]: It really looked at the it was very obvious that the way standing in front of a green screen.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you picked up on that. [SPEAKER_00]: everybody else in the background was like blurry and it was just like they were in a different world and they were just standing there and I'm like, we got money, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's Netflix. [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on? [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what that probably means though because I remember reading this for last season it might be a scene that they inserted after they were done wrapping like they watch a back and they're like oh like something and there's a whole scene between Colin and Penelope where they had to like shut up put on a wig they had to re-shoot the whole thing and they had to shoot a whole new scene

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, that's probably what happened because I was just like this is too much and can I just say that The actress would please so fee her skin. [SPEAKER_00]: I just get stare translucense. [SPEAKER_00]: It's so good What else is there? [SPEAKER_00]: Michaela surprises him and shows up.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene where it feels like we're talking about the whole Eloise thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go back to Michaela, I just kind of remembered where they were talking about the whole marriage and they were talking about things and Francesca goes to Penelopee to Oscar about it. [SPEAKER_00]: And Eloise comes in and what are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, oh, we're just talking about marriage. [SPEAKER_00]: So to your point, they seem to really drive it home [SPEAKER_00]: And so no, I want to say that so when you know, high-synth was saying something and you're trying to tell Eloise something. [SPEAKER_00]: Eloise was like, Oh my God, please tell me it is not about marriage again.

[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot bear it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she was so wrong where high-synth was like, oh, you're so terrible. [SPEAKER_00]: You're all about yourself. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, but if you're getting it, [SPEAKER_00]: from every corner, like, oh, no, we're going to double date. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, only people can come.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to go here when she did that. [SPEAKER_00]: We've been addicted to where he was helping him in finding it. [SPEAKER_00]: And it just seemed like marriage marriage marriage everywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you just want to breathe and high sink comes and brings that up again and said, oh, God, please spare me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to moment. [SPEAKER_00]: That is normal. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think she was so terrible in that. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, is it not it's human? [SPEAKER_02]: It's very human. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, human is a better word. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but at the end of the day, like, I'm sorry that you're stuck with high isn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just like basic niceness. [SPEAKER_02]: You're the older sister. [SPEAKER_02]: Your sister is like excited about something. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's you too much, but like you can say it nicely. [SPEAKER_02]: You can say can we talk like, [SPEAKER_02]: it was almost like you're too happy for me so now I'm going to try to bring you down and that's not nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's not right. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, but it's kind of like know your audience and Luis has been the same person. [SPEAKER_00]: Go to y'all. [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a thousand prejudices. [SPEAKER_00]: Find one, don't go to Eloise, like you know what you're gonna get with her, so at this point, it's on you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna show you good news with her. [SPEAKER_00]: If it's about books, that's your girl. [SPEAKER_00]: If it's about rebellion, that's your girl. [SPEAKER_00]: If it's about marriage, why don't earth with you go to her? [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I felt her there. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I guess we reached the pinnacle of the four episodes when, you know, Sophie's having a good time with the Bridgetons.

[SPEAKER_00]: They find out she's well-read, she's well-loved by everyone, her, uh, I was going to say her coworker. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she was a coworker, she has joined her here. [SPEAKER_00]: and she's having a great time and they're going out to the pub because Mrs. Bridgetton got a drink some sweet sweet tea And she forgets her coin purse and she comes back and he has come back But it just has come back all the way because what did he remember what drove him he saw his friend with his mistress who he's in love with So he just came back for his mistress [SPEAKER_02]: He had this moment where he's like, oh, this is the solution to my problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: And really into this girl, I'm not finding my lady and silver. [SPEAKER_02]: And the person who's in front of me seems much better. [SPEAKER_02]: Can't marry her, she's a maid. [SPEAKER_02]: So let me go in my next option. [SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, he comes in there, they bump into each other because my God, they did not see each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we thought a word even said there on the wall, they're everything on the staircase and I'm like the boldness, no fear. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it the servants quarters? [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not because he was going up the stairs there. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wait, there's an even midway between upstairs and downstairs symbolism people.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean good for them because I just looking like somebody's gonna walk out here, but no, nobody's there in the house. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just Mrs. British and then she's busy. [SPEAKER_00]: So she runs out, she didn't even grab the coin purse, so that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: And there's been all the speculation about [SPEAKER_00]: Who's moving into the house next door?

[SPEAKER_00]: Who's moving into the house if you've watched enough TV? [SPEAKER_00]: It is no surprise that it was obviously going to be Lady Penwood. [SPEAKER_00]: Who was moving in with Mrs. Featherington's maid? [SPEAKER_00]: Fartherly. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Fartherly got her raised, which I was like, I hope this works.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like the end story of Barley better be the featherington's basically kissing her feet and offering her the world and a huge salary increase to come back. [SPEAKER_02]: That's how we're going to end this. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I listen, I haven't read the books, but it seems like it's pretty obvious what's going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to come from or deny aid, but it's just we're going to find out that Sophie is of stalk and it's going to be okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who's going to reveal it or we're going to find it out, but it is pretty annoying that Sophie's playing this kind of mouse game. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, can you open your mouth and just say I am from here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe she's weird. [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not [SPEAKER_02]: that he has been on a search for a woman that he can marry. [SPEAKER_02]: Lady and Silver is supposed to be one of his class. [SPEAKER_02]: So what does she gain by telling him? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the wrong type of person for what you're looking for.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can't make a choice and move on. [SPEAKER_00]: He's been searching and searching and searching. [SPEAKER_00]: He may be like, I am the one who he saw, but I am not fit to be a life. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you can decide and move on, but now he's just searching for something that doesn't exist.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when you stop searching, and then we get to a point where he doesn't, there's some subtle tells that he doesn't want to find the lady in silver because he's much more interested in the person right in front of his face. [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: It still blows my mind that he can't tell that it was hurt, but okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: The internet is like real upset about that Mr. Software. [SPEAKER_02]: Despite it being, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not everybody knows that title. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know until now. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it was also the title of the episode four, and I'm not sure if you can do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Do not check.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I only know it because, you know, I shouldn't say that because I just complain about the last episode of Traders. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that is a spoiler. [SPEAKER_00]: But me, the title of Traders, not spoilery, but I did not check this at all, but. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it was fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't bad. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not terrible or anything. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little slower. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it took us still episode four for things to keep get going, but I enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that we are doing like, I'm trying to remember the book and this is kind of important.

[SPEAKER_02]: When Benedict made that offer to Sophie in the book, I believe they had already had quite a [SPEAKER_02]: But he hasn't made the offer yet. [SPEAKER_02]: He did make the offer, he said, be my mistress. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I missed that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and then she ran away, and I was like, yes, girl, because that's the equivalent of, no thank you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Peace bitch. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Good. [SPEAKER_02]: Like trust me, Sophie, I love Sophie. [SPEAKER_02]: I need to establish that. [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed her so much. [SPEAKER_02]: She's so bright, she's so spunky. [SPEAKER_02]: She actually sees the world properly.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not either black sheep or the family. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, only, I feel like that's a show thing, not a book thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's like, well, let's go and show the show is what we're watching. [SPEAKER_00]: So he's a black sheep on the show of the kids and children. [SPEAKER_02]: I would say, because, but I'm like, he's the black sheep because he's running around partying.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: They can't keep him straight. [SPEAKER_02]: It's he actually keeping the, um, [SPEAKER_02]: The home fire is running for Anthony while he's gone or you see a complete wash roll. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's yeah He's doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: He's keeping it for Anthony. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know if he's doing it correctly, but he's also participating in the the bossry of it all.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a rake. [SPEAKER_02]: it's it anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: So he makes the offer. [SPEAKER_02]: She is basically like, I'm not, you know, she doesn't explain everything to him about her mother and everything, but basically Sophie's not going to be anybody's mistress in the book. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they had already had sex, but much like the Duke, you know, excellent pullout game.

[SPEAKER_02]: So because I actually really bothers me when I read historical moments, when there's like, [SPEAKER_02]: pre-marital sex between people who have not been married before, in the sense that, like, the consequences are real dire and I'm not saying that like, oh, you know, back in the day because there were dire consequences people never did anything, it's just any more careful.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think you can't present me a character who has so much sense and then have them do things that make no sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Like finger blasts on the wall in the house in the middle of everywhere when you were so grateful to have a job That really just like I was like Sophie you have everything to lose.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has nothing to lose [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even last year, didn't, yeah, Penelopeum and Colin, like, had sex before they were married. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess I didn't mind it too much, but I just, I look at it and I'm like, I just don't, the average woman of that class or actually any class is not actually taking that risk.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: The risk is way too high. [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to have a romance show in 2026 without the coitus. [SPEAKER_02]: And I will say this, that one of my desires for the second half of the season is I don't want Sophie and Benedict banging until they're married.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, and she said desires, she led you on people, none of it, do whatever you want. [SPEAKER_02]: But no possibility of possibly having a baby, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they can do it. [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to have babies. [SPEAKER_00]: None of these people have babies. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to run around being a break.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, we'll just let him out there. [SPEAKER_00]: Pull out game strong. [SPEAKER_00]: Get with it. [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, that's just what I want. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else? [SPEAKER_02]: Looking forward to the second half and, uh, Tane, then, don't you?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be back for second half. [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to have to. [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for letting me know. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you heard it here, folks. [SPEAKER_00]: She will be back. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the next part is February 26. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: That will be coming out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we shall talk about it. [SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully, we will get closure. [SPEAKER_00]: Always one last thing, Michaela. [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing to say. [SPEAKER_00]: She shows up from Jessica's flush turn and I'm like, oh, guys, where are we going with this? [SPEAKER_00]: Just let's get it, like, they can't divorce, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like back in the day, that wasn't like. [SPEAKER_00]: a thing thing. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just where are we going with this? [SPEAKER_00]: Because she also seems like she's not us take a life by the horn's person and I'm going to take that risk and cheat on John because it's not like also John has done anything to her.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just how are we going to write this story and then with his cousin? [SPEAKER_00]: What do he do to deserve this? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're trying not to give us one. [SPEAKER_00]: Those who know, no, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, I guess I have to wait and see when her book comes up and how this plays out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Watch it, you're just gonna do everything opposite from the book anyways, they already started. [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wait, is John gonna die? [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, don't answer that question, okay guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening. [SPEAKER_00]: It always a pleasure to have you on here with your Bridgetton expertise and your, is it ice skating?

[SPEAKER_00]: I stands in all of the guys, all the bigs, information, but would like to know what you guys think, let me know what you think, anywhere you want to, comment box, email, Instagram, anywhere in the socials. [SPEAKER_00]: We'd love to hear what you think. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Until next time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bye. [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.

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