Welcome To Plathville: S8 Eps. 4 & 5 + Summer House w/Brian

[SPEAKER_03]: Hi everybody. [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to another episode of Altacol and your host, Tane. [SPEAKER_03]: Here with this week's offering of Welcome to Placville Season 8. [SPEAKER_03]: I believe it is episodes four and five. [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, we had a good time last time. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait.

[SPEAKER_03]: Brian is here. [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, Brian. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm good. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking to taking you up on how spring has just shown up. [SPEAKER_01]: My son's obsession. [SPEAKER_01]: We have a couple of ducks who move into our backyard every year to lay their eggs under one of our shrubs.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're back this morning. [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to figure out how to get in the fence. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like y'all fly just jump over it. [SPEAKER_01]: But that's going to be the obsession in our house for the next like two and a half months. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm in a good mood today.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good obsession. [SPEAKER_01]: It's key. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're very cute. [SPEAKER_01]: Spread the hell out of me the first time. [SPEAKER_01]: I was back there pulling weeds. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what is this brown thing? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a mom with like nine eggs under her.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a little bit terrifying. [SPEAKER_01]: But we're used to it now. [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, that's key. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the last time we did it, you guys seem to enjoy it. [SPEAKER_03]: So we can't escape it. [SPEAKER_03]: If you're living on earth, even if you don't watch it, you have to have heard about the Southern House scandal.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's just a second coming up scandal. [SPEAKER_01]: it's worse to me. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, you know, I haven't even sat to even think about the degree of worsism if it's worse. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think the difference is that we're getting leaks from the reunion. [SPEAKER_03]: The first leak I listened to.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, who did this? [SPEAKER_03]: Are they just wanting to get out their job? [SPEAKER_03]: It's an easy thing to track. [SPEAKER_03]: You can find out who did it and he's talking about it saying, we know. [SPEAKER_03]: Who did it? [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get more news. [SPEAKER_03]: They're saying it's Jennifer Lawrence that it was a fan who tracked it.

[SPEAKER_03]: We had it, then we had a second lead. [SPEAKER_03]: Then we had a third lead. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm tapped out. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not listening to anymore leaks. [SPEAKER_03]: I can wait for reunion. [SPEAKER_03]: I want to see what will happen. [SPEAKER_03]: I am not impressed by what I'm hearing about a man doing what I thought she would do, which is come and stand 10 toes down and [SPEAKER_03]: act like she didn't do anything wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now I will say this. [SPEAKER_03]: I am not listening to the leaks, not like I don't judge anybody who does. [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to please, it's just like when you read books and people like my best friend goes to the end to find out what the end is and then starts. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I can't do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Mr. Me. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know what I'm reading about. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even read the blurb. [SPEAKER_03]: I just go in and like, oh, this is what this book is about. [SPEAKER_03]: I will say the one good thing about the leaks is if at all, Bravo wanted to protect Amanda because in the city is coming and they were gonna switch it out and have it whichever way they wanted to.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad we know now and we have reshaped however way they're gonna edit it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I will tell you, I have listened to all the leaks. [SPEAKER_01]: I've listened to analysis of the leaks. [SPEAKER_01]: I would like more leaks to come out. [SPEAKER_01]: I heard this morning this person might have up to 30 minutes of leaks that they have repaired and ready to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: My thing is, first of all, the way, the reason I say it's worse. [SPEAKER_01]: Raquel Rachel whatever she was dumb. [SPEAKER_01]: She was a stupid person so like she couldn't think about what she was doing She was like there was nothing going on behind her eyes these two hatched multiple plans This was covered up.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was lied about apparently for hours with Kyle like [SPEAKER_01]: This to me is so much worse on a whole lot of levels because I believe that sand of all was lying to rock or shell, telling her, oh, we're basically broken up, she isn't like me anymore, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is not that number one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Number two. [SPEAKER_01]: I am of the conspiracy theory that this is Bravo leaking on themselves. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the reason that we've not heard who it was, oh, we found out who it was, but you don't want to reveal even what their job was or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: Is because I think they're looking at this going, we have a month to go before the reunion.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want attention to die down. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want interest in this to kind of fade off. [SPEAKER_01]: If we could do the reunion this week, the ratings would be off the fucking charts. [SPEAKER_01]: So we have to kind of keep sprinkling shit along the way to keep the casual fans invested into what's gonna happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Andy is doing this and you don't come from me if you listen, I love you, keep on putting out good content. [SPEAKER_01]: But I, to me, [SPEAKER_01]: the fact that the first leak came out like 10 minutes after he was like, boy, that was rough. [SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, that's like okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was a step by step. [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that leaks two and three came out after we caught this alleged person is like, so did you catch the wrong person? [SPEAKER_01]: Did you catch him? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a shit and I'm gonna keep on putting stuff out. [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't leaked for money.

[SPEAKER_01]: This wasn't like sold to TMZ. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just given to people for free. [SPEAKER_01]: All of this feels like an inside job to me. [SPEAKER_01]: I want more of it. [SPEAKER_01]: Keep this. [SPEAKER_01]: I would take, if you wanted to do paper view. [SPEAKER_01]: And let me watch the full 10 hours unedited start to finish.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would do that like I want more of this. [SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, I'm very happy. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to be able to give Amanda any kind of sympathetic edit now or west for that matter. [SPEAKER_01]: Who may or may not be on set. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't hear his voice at all basically in these things.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like [SPEAKER_01]: you can't now re-edit this to make it look like Oceira is unhinged and Amanda is like sad and scared and her mental health is is in jeopardy here. [SPEAKER_01]: She's coming off like a total asshole. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's I'm happy that we get to listen to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't a world where I could consider that Bravo was the one leaking it and I listened to live on air. [SPEAKER_03]: She was on the podcast and reality show producer and she said the first leak may be she think it was Bravo but the fact that there was a second there was a third and she's like they wouldn't do that to themselves at this point.

[SPEAKER_03]: they are hurting themselves by doing the leak so I was like I don't know I don't know anything and y'all give Andy way too much credit again Andy is the reunion host he has the title or producer but I don't he's not as involved as he used to be but every little thing everyone's tagging Andy online [SPEAKER_03]: blaming Andy he is the face of the shows.

[SPEAKER_03]: I totally get it. [SPEAKER_01]: But I can't name one of the bravo on for you. [SPEAKER_03]: He's an employee of bravo. [SPEAKER_03]: He literally took the bravo out of his name because he doesn't work there. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and, and the reason I blame him for most things is because Miami is not filming right now and like I am of the belief if he decided we need to go cameras up Miami needs to come back it would happen instead we got whatever that Aaron I think from Roni was on in the in the car like for what who's watching Roni from now like give me Miami and he you're doing this to me to feel like a personal attack.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh, I, I, I would never understand that take to put Miami on pause. [SPEAKER_03]: I just know if it really truly is because Todd is suing them and then let's take her off. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't like her anyway. [SPEAKER_01]: fire her. [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_03]: But you have so much material and so much stuff going on there and you put them and pause a second time.

[SPEAKER_03]: And for me, it's just like, this is like, we're going to talk about Kaylin and Isaac. [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like you bring up with me out the blue the first time that I take you back, then I break up with you and get like, how am I going to test you? [SPEAKER_03]: This is the second time my ammy has been put on pause for what?

[SPEAKER_03]: And also stick to the formula, stop being [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I think that was there. [SPEAKER_01]: That was their problem in the beginning, because to me, that signal to me that they believe this to be Vester Bravo. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, it's not, it's better than most of the cities that they have going.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that they brought it back on peacock instead of putting it, you know, on Bravo proper with like the big promotion and all that was kind of like the art is not believe in the show. [SPEAKER_01]: And then when I went to watch it, I'm like, holy shit, this is better than most cities you all have.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is, but it's not reflecting Brian. [SPEAKER_03]: I think keep it on peacock, so it can be a big fish in a little pond. [SPEAKER_03]: That will also find me. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because that way, you can't blame it and say, oh, you're not doing the ratings. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're comparing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because the same thing as everyone is bitching about Beverly Hills, but they have the highest ratings. [SPEAKER_03]: So everyone was talking about my amy, but we are living in our own bubble. [SPEAKER_03]: People are not watching. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just what it is. [SPEAKER_03]: The numbers are reflecting it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't show much. [SPEAKER_03]: People on peacock where it doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_03]: And then we talk about it so much that people want to watch it, and then you create the demand for it and leave it there. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't put it on Bravo for whatever thing that you know you're trying to do.

[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, back to summer house. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: When we talked about it the first time, I think we kept saying, why, why, why? [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand the reasoning, but I still keep asking why. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the thing that gave me goosebumps, the most was the ball game that they went to.

[SPEAKER_03]: First of all, Amanda put out a statement saying that, oh, I'm going to be going out guys. [SPEAKER_03]: Please let me be. [SPEAKER_03]: Let my mental health be because I want to go out and live my normal life. [SPEAKER_03]: So they're going out. [SPEAKER_03]: Fine. [SPEAKER_03]: They're a couple.

[SPEAKER_03]: We get it. [SPEAKER_03]: And they're at a ball game. [SPEAKER_03]: And all of a sudden they're in, I don't even know if it was a kiss cam or they just created a kiss cam. [SPEAKER_03]: And, um, you know, the mouthing of the person who lived bread and was like, act like you're like me and all that, but I cannot tell you how much that kids gave me chills because I'm like, they are doing this.

[SPEAKER_03]: They are intentionally doing this and this they are. [SPEAKER_03]: So diabolical in that. [SPEAKER_03]: The first leap that I listen to, Amanda is saying, you can't help who you fall for, Sierra, you said this. [SPEAKER_03]: This is evil. [SPEAKER_01]: How dare you? [SPEAKER_03]: To extrapolate something that Sierra was saying in terms of not loving versus loving, but loving versus loving, you're like, you can't help who you fall in love with.

[SPEAKER_03]: AKA, he happened to be a person that's outside my race. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_03]: They have giving you so many speeches. [SPEAKER_03]: She has talked about this so many times, but you take it in your white woman entitlement to say, no, I can't help who I love. [SPEAKER_03]: Even if it's the guy that has caused you so much pain, and I'm just like, Amanda Amanda.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Amanda has been there a long. [SPEAKER_03]: It has been there. [SPEAKER_03]: We just couldn't see it because our husband sucks up all the air in the room and we don't forget. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if I should just confess. [SPEAKER_03]: that. [SPEAKER_03]: No, I have just kind of said it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know you hate Kyle. [SPEAKER_03]: I think Kyle is a great reality star. [SPEAKER_03]: I think Kyle is a shitty husband to a man that mostly because they're compatible. [SPEAKER_03]: But I have a soft spot for Kyle. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's what I'll say. [SPEAKER_01]: He's an absolute reality TV star.

[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that this man is older than me and partying, like I couldn't party 15 years ago is impressive to me. [SPEAKER_01]: He's quotable. [SPEAKER_01]: He, his energy is always high. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he does what he's supposed to do. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a terrible husband and I'd argue a pretty shitty friend because of the way he treats Carl most of the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, he's good on reality TV. [SPEAKER_01]: And... [SPEAKER_01]: I don't hate him in the way that I hate a lot of like full-on reality TV villains. [SPEAKER_01]: I like him more than I like Lindsey, and that's a controversial take. [SPEAKER_01]: But I just kind of feel like [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot help somebody that you are attracted to. [SPEAKER_01]: We are attracted to whoever we're attracted to, fine. [SPEAKER_01]: You can help what you do about that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that, you know, I am coming up on 10 years of marriage, pretty soon, you're never cheated on my wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: Never gonna cheat on my wife. [SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean you haven't been attracted to anybody I've ever met in the last 10 years? [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there's people that are like, oh, that's a good looking woman right there. [SPEAKER_01]: We have good personalities together.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am married, so I'm not going to do anything about that. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, well, I, well, [SPEAKER_01]: What am I supposed to do? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm attracted to him. [SPEAKER_01]: So I have to have sex with him and I'm just like, what the fuck are you talking about? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my voice would be single forever.

[SPEAKER_03]: And let's just go back to this because the whole talk about Sierra and West and this whole talk that they had. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, this time is Sierra saying he's my person and West, oh my god, there's a article saying we're just not each other's persons. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I can admit, I don't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm glad Sierra is like, you know, she's doing therapy. [SPEAKER_03]: She's refining herself because I don't know what it is that has convinced her that West is her person. [SPEAKER_03]: And someone made a good point on threads where they were asking, have we ever heard of any boyfriends here at?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm like, is she just rusty at dating? [SPEAKER_03]: And suddenly she's West and is attaching herself to him and now he's like, I don't doubt that they had a connection. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't doubt like I don't think sometimes it's down to time because we were like, it was just four months.

[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a big deal. [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: We're not privy to what happened. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to doubt it. [SPEAKER_03]: She met a family. [SPEAKER_03]: What happened with that? [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say that it's over. [SPEAKER_03]: It's done with it's a meeting families mean nothing to these people.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and this has been two years. [SPEAKER_03]: Does West help the right to move on as even though it's a shitty person. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because it's done. [SPEAKER_03]: Can you be respectful about it? [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to make out in front of her. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's a weird situation because it's a shared house.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's all that. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to take that away. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think like, you know, I know everyone's saying like it's been exaggerated. [SPEAKER_03]: Like he was a 10 year, really. [SPEAKER_03]: Look at 10 years with Kyle and Amanda. [SPEAKER_03]: That has nothing to do with anything.

[SPEAKER_03]: They never connected in 10 years. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a time thing. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, there was a connection. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it did not work out completely understand that a lot of them are downplaying it because that's just life. [SPEAKER_03]: Some people are going to see one way.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some people are not going to see that way. [SPEAKER_03]: Now my problem with Amanda is fine. [SPEAKER_03]: You can help me you love you connected with a fellow person with low self esteem. [SPEAKER_03]: There were better ways to handle this. [SPEAKER_03]: You could easily. [SPEAKER_03]: have called Sierra and said, hey, Sierra, I don't know what I'm feeling.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's going on, but I think I'm attracted to West. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how I'm going to act on it, like I know this is going to hurt you. [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't, not, I hate when people say if you don't want me to do anything, I won't, because you're a grown person.

[SPEAKER_03]: But there were better ways to come about it, say it. [SPEAKER_03]: If you're in West, I'm going to do a joint statement. [SPEAKER_03]: You can have a joint conversation. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, hey, Sierra, [SPEAKER_03]: Outside of cameras, outside of everything, we just wanted to come to you.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know this is going to hurt you. [SPEAKER_03]: Then you can say, we can't help how we feel. [SPEAKER_03]: We feel we need to explore it, but we wanted to, we wanted you to be the first to know and to hear from us, so you don't hear from anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: I completely understand, if you hate me, if you're having that conversation, you have decided that it is worth losing that friendship, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's fine, but you told her. [SPEAKER_03]: If Sierra doesn't need interviews and she comes out, she cannot say they came to me without telling anyone, no cameras, privately, they told me about it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pissed at it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's one Sierra at that point. [SPEAKER_03]: Still a shitty thing to do.

[SPEAKER_03]: But that's a way to do it. [SPEAKER_03]: Now to come on and say, well, that's way to you. [SPEAKER_03]: I was hiding. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't be single. [SPEAKER_03]: You want me to be celibate forever. [SPEAKER_03]: You're celibate, we're husband right now. [SPEAKER_03]: Keep it going. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so great.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need mine at all, it's just fine with you. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just very... [SPEAKER_03]: I don't get it. [SPEAKER_03]: I need to stop trying to get it and it's expected that she's coming here to double down. [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also saying the fact that she never considered Cedar to be her friend.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just what it is. [SPEAKER_03]: Because first, what was it? [SPEAKER_03]: Cedar tells us casually, and Cedar's not fall too. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't keep a friend who you tell about their birthday party and you're like, I get it. [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't want to come. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a monumental birthday party.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she just didn't want to come like just because and you say that person is your friend. [SPEAKER_03]: It's very weird. [SPEAKER_03]: And then this the episode where she decides that she's not coming. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think I'll knew. [SPEAKER_03]: And if Sierra is really your friend and someone that you spend time with you didn't text her.

[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't tell her that you weren't coming. [SPEAKER_03]: Sarah had to call and be like, hey, are you coming? [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, oh, I'm just not feeling up to it. [SPEAKER_03]: She had to call you. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't consider her friend. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I'll tell you, she didn't come because she knew that West was going to talk to Sierra and she couldn't tolerate it and see that happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Her boyfriend is over here talking to somebody else and that's going to hurt her heart. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's all this is about. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I am of the mind that they were hooking up for sure during that summer and perhaps in the spring leading into the summer. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that you watched the way that Amanda moves this season.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever West is around another woman, [SPEAKER_01]: she gets weird when West was weirdly like putting his feet on Sierra when they were playing that game and touching her arm. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, now Amanda has to make out with Carl, with Kyle, and for everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: That's my husband now because I have to make you jealous.

[SPEAKER_01]: When West is over here making out with that unnamed woman and then like sitting on the chair with her, Amanda has to walk over, ask if she can sneak in for a coat and say, look at my butt when I walk away. [SPEAKER_01]: like, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever there is West is showing interest in another woman, she gets weird about it, and has to like walk up and insinuate herself, and because that is her boyfriend, flirting with somebody else, and she's acting like that's her boyfriend, flirting with somebody else. [SPEAKER_01]: So, and I think that, well, this week's episode, with her, like, not coming in all that, the smoking gun to me was Kyle's text.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, cause a bad husband, but like if I text my wife four or five times and there's no response, I'm calling the police. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, check the hospitals, what's she in a car accident? [SPEAKER_01]: Something for her to just ignore all of his texts, where he's like doing husband stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, good morning, checking in with you. [SPEAKER_01]: How's it going? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to bed tonight at no response. [SPEAKER_01]: And the one response we get is when West text the group. [SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee you she and West [SPEAKER_01]: I, she wasn't ignoring his text like this is just gross to me all of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: torn on that because I feel like maybe they weren't hooking up yet. [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like Amanda was having feelings for Wes. [SPEAKER_03]: I apparently something about Wes. [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's in love with him, including Carl's mom, like everybody just loves Wes. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that she was having feelings for him.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe he had him cut on. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also torn between the fact that they hung out so much because Kyle was saying, like, oh, she hung out with Wes more than I did. [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe they [SPEAKER_03]: But then she realized, oh my god, I have feelings for her make sure it was holding on.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be one of these two as the weakened kiss and then stop. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we shouldn't do that again. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure once they kissed their clothes just like blew off and they were having sex. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that nothing about either one of these two shows me any kind of propriety about like, oh, that was a bad thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: We should stop. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I just want to see it from these two. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, if we go with your theory and they were sleeping together, then it makes what West did all the way worse because we talked about this and I remember saying that West is someone who's obsessed with coming off as a good guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's a fuck boy who just wants to come off as a good guy. [SPEAKER_03]: So what was the whole conversation we share about? [SPEAKER_03]: Because he looked like he was now freaking out after they had that conversation. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, oh my god, oh my god, like, what's happening?

[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to double date. [SPEAKER_03]: Sabrina is doing that. [SPEAKER_03]: Just ask both of y'all to come. [SPEAKER_03]: I will say this. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a shitty person, but she did have a good point in her own self interest that I don't think they can be friends. [SPEAKER_03]: Like Sierra.

[SPEAKER_03]: more than a friendship. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, again, different interpretations and then they're saying it because she's freaking out that she's losing her boyfriend. [SPEAKER_03]: But on our side, people with logic, it's also true. [SPEAKER_03]: Like now I understand, I thought Sierra was doing too much that keeping in my arms length, being whole to him, but I understand why.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I truly [SPEAKER_03]: How deep the roots of her liking West was. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, she loved her man. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you asked before, have we seen her as boyfriends? [SPEAKER_01]: Her picker is bad, because before this, it was, was it Austin?

[SPEAKER_01]: And before that was Luke. [SPEAKER_02]: But they weren't boyfriends. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, it's not, it's Luke, bad. [SPEAKER_02]: He treated her bad. [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a bad person. [SPEAKER_02]: He just needs her bad. [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't see their relationship. [SPEAKER_03]: He brought her out there.

[SPEAKER_03]: We saw it. [SPEAKER_03]: And we saw it through the lens of Hannah. [SPEAKER_03]: Hannah, well, you know, Hannah's a holder. [SPEAKER_01]: But I, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, but they were not voicing her. [SPEAKER_01]: They were not, not voivrons, not voivrons, not voivrons. [SPEAKER_01]: We've not seen her.

[SPEAKER_01]: be into a guy who seems like he's going to be good to her. [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of what I'm saying here. [SPEAKER_01]: Whether they dated and was boyfriend girlfriend or not, we haven't ever seen her like pursue a man who seems like he's going to be good to her. [SPEAKER_01]: Compare this to whatever the fuck is going on with Carl and Bailey.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want them to just hook up and get it over with at this point. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, we've not seen any signs from Carl, where he's like, I'm gonna treat you badly. [SPEAKER_01]: Or I'm being kind of cold to you, or I'm doing any of this fuck boy behavior. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, I like you.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're really sweet. [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're a great person. [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen CRB with somebody like that. [SPEAKER_01]: West did all that because he was trying to have sex with her. [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, I don't do that quickly. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm not. [SPEAKER_01]: And then as soon as she did, it's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, now we're done essentially. [SPEAKER_01]: I just I think that she's got bad taste is kind of you know where I'm coming from here it. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't we don't see any evidence that she has good taste in them. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Let me take a quick break and I'll be back to share something I've been thinking about in terms of Sierra.

[SPEAKER_03]: All right and we're back. [SPEAKER_03]: So in all of Sierra's reflection right and you know she doesn't have good taste and you know when she talks about the fact that you can't help who you like and [SPEAKER_03]: you know by a white man on TV and stuff and now we've listed like three men that she's has situationships with on here.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think the other question is something it has. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, answered is is she only drawn to white men? [SPEAKER_03]: that's the other thing and if you are what is that like if that really is a source of conflict for you because she seems like you know she's struggling with it like you know I don't want to be played do they really I think in that her interview she said was it Mary Claire the magazine where she said you have to wonder do you just like me is it like a fetish or do you like other people who look like me but [SPEAKER_03]: do you explore black men?

[SPEAKER_03]: Are you exclusively dating white men? [SPEAKER_03]: All we know is what we've seen, right? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure her life is bigger than that. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a question to ask also, is do you exclusively only date? [SPEAKER_03]: And if that is a source of struggle for you, let's connect to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on? [SPEAKER_03]: What's happening? [SPEAKER_01]: And we have a very limited sample size because the only black man we were seeing her around was KJ. [SPEAKER_01]: But KJ is... And he little broke him. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: KJ is aggressively good looking, especially compared to West.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, his, his body is weird looking because like he's got like a 12 pack, but also it like sticks out So I don't know what's going on there. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I mean compare him to West West can't dress himself So like I think comparing the two, but there was there was never even like a who look at that guy It was immediately like give him nuggies and this is my buddy [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, I mean, and I guess if you want to say the only other non-white man we've seen her around was in rule, but in rule was busy having three summers with anonymous women every night.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't what he count. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I don't know if that's the case. [SPEAKER_01]: But even if it is, again, Carl is a nice white man who has made overturist towards her more than once, and she's just like, no, I'm not into it totally fine. [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if she just likes a fuck boy more than anything else, which is a combination of a lot of things.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if I'll throw Carl in the pool like, you know, he's on my list of I want to date that one a date. [SPEAKER_03]: Do you really want to date? [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Carl's a free to women at this point. [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's scared to fuck out of him at this point.

[SPEAKER_03]: We do need to mention a new development that happened a couple of days ago, which may explain why West was mute on the tape. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the first one that I [SPEAKER_03]: was murdered by his yeah by his cousin apparently she's that is a lot like yeah literally thing but this is really terrible no one deserves this [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's like a whole different layer to stuff because you lose someone in your family, but then you lost them to someone else in your family. [SPEAKER_03]: And because what could have been done, because it seems like addiction was in play. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I kind of always suspect that whenever there's like this kind of a situation, I thought speaking of addiction, you're going to go to his showering problem. [SPEAKER_01]: But I, this is much darker than that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that man was a shower. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying are you sure are you that well Is it that or he's a shower in the pool.

[SPEAKER_01]: He said this pool. [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't wash and also Okay, yes, he's not just when I'm like Sierra and also apparently his nudes are around [SPEAKER_02]: There's two. [SPEAKER_01]: I had not seen them, but I have a friend who's like, yeah, it's sad looking. [SPEAKER_01]: So like, I don't, I don't get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get any, I don't get why anybody is drawn to him. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I've never understood it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, it seems like it okay time, but I, I just, I don't understand any of the draw. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, for someone who wants to be like so much, I don't know what he thought was going to happen with this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what I don't understand is like, what was the thought process? [SPEAKER_03]: What were you going to do? [SPEAKER_03]: Did you think people were just going to accept it? [SPEAKER_03]: And that was it. [SPEAKER_03]: I just, you want to be liked. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you can't stand the heat.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think, and this is stupid, so hear me out, I think he thought, Amanda, I can have sex with Amanda three, four or five times and then just no one's ever going to find out about it and, you know, we'll move on with our lives and whatever, like I don't, I think he was just thinking [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's hot, I can bang her a few times, and then she'll just be on my roster.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like all the other women, and it's not a big deal. [SPEAKER_01]: Not realizing, oh, she's going to be like, I'm in love with you, and now you're my boyfriend. [SPEAKER_01]: She was telling people what the bar, I know him, cause he's my boyfriend. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think he thought one thing, she thought something else, they got found out.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's like, we'll shit in for opinion for a pound, I guess, now we have to like, play this thing out. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't think it was a smart move, but I really do think he thought we could do this a few times. [SPEAKER_01]: No one's ever gonna find out. [SPEAKER_01]: He was a parent looking up with Sierra roughly around the same time.

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe he was just thinking, yeah, I can do this a little bit and then I'll get back with Sierra and she's never gonna find out the man I was not gonna tell her. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a dumb person, I think. [SPEAKER_03]: But how can Amanda not feel weird about that? [SPEAKER_03]: He was hooking up with Sierra so why does she think hers is real?

[SPEAKER_03]: And that goes back to the whole thing where I feel like she was just in a one-sided competition with Sierra. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: He was a pick me. [SPEAKER_01]: So she, she needed to be picked. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same reason that she said that weird shit to Sabrina when she saw her and like she just needs to be picked.

[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't like it when any of the men in the house are into anyone else. [SPEAKER_01]: and even though she's married to somebody in the house, she needs to be like the objective every man's attention and obsession and she acts accordingly. [SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking weird, I don't get it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm got the counselor pointed out like where is the romance in your relationship and then she was laughing about it. [SPEAKER_03]: She was like, there's no room for that. [SPEAKER_01]: The legend, Maryam, then. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, she wanted to stay on the show. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: She just wanted to be like that. [SPEAKER_03]: She's Yeah, to pick, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like Carlin Lindsay. [SPEAKER_03]: They're not compatible, but you know, they had a good sense to break off. [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't have one of them did. [SPEAKER_03]: Lindsay was not okay with breaking it at all in your relationship.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, we could go on and on about, um, [SPEAKER_03]: this scandal because that's what's taking over and that's why I'm just like wondering what the reader is going to be about and hopefully they touch on other things but leave it or not guys there's other things happening on on the show turns out so I will say this um I think I told Brian I don't think I talk about it a lot on the show that [SPEAKER_03]: This season of Summer House has been tough for me to watch because of Mia talking about her grief.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's unfortunately relatable content for me and it triggers me. [SPEAKER_03]: So I usually just wait a while and I watch it. [SPEAKER_03]: But I appreciate her doing it. [SPEAKER_03]: Like she's putting into words. [SPEAKER_03]: things that I feel and the thing about grief is like sometimes you don't want to be the sad girl.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you are managing your grief and managing other people is like, oh, don't bring it up. [SPEAKER_03]: But it's just with you and he sits in you all the time when she said, [SPEAKER_03]: she feels untethered. [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I, that's it. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it doesn't matter what you do.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's so tainted. [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't, you know, nothing makes sense. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, for what you're never fully celebrating because, you know, the person that loves you the most is not here with you. [SPEAKER_03]: When she went to the medium, I just, you know, she's still early.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's been a couple of years from me again. [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't feel that way, but it's a while, but it's still early. [SPEAKER_03]: So I completely understand. [SPEAKER_03]: I remember feeling that way. [SPEAKER_03]: I remember just feeling like, I need to see a medium right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need to, like, even if it's fake, even if they say one thing that nobody else might know, and they know this would give me comfort. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was stopped by family member to, like, you're going to invite evil spirits into your house. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I never did go watching me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know this is like maybe I just find this person that Sierra Recommended and I can just try it out all this to say is like what mirror is doing and saying it like it may seem like sad because I know in the confessional She's she's showing what I feel sometimes where she's like I know you didn't sign up to listen to me cry You didn't sign up to listen to me sad, but [SPEAKER_03]: It's just hard when it's just always there and you have to go through life without it, but she's She's representing you know every time I want to say representation matters representation comes in very different ways and I truly truly appreciate you know what she's doing and in some way Carl also still talking about his brother because it's one thing to grieve appearance it's one thing to grieve as follows but the other one is like a sibling it's like the whole and it

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and we watched it. [SPEAKER_01]: And I could have killed Carl. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a struggle. [SPEAKER_03]: And I see this all the time that I don't think the somehow house mates are appreciates Carl's sober journey.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is not in this house when people are shower and left and right. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be hard for him. [SPEAKER_01]: I did people are taking showers all the time right in front of him. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's sitting here like, I used to be addicted to showers. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so I mean, that's the show prediction as a sidebar.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's the other thing guys. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't forget, we saw Wes get his stuff in the open, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: So this is how times, with that video where it's on the outside of his nose, the video is doing a bump in the club and front everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: So this man has got a problem, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's that. [SPEAKER_03]: OK. Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, so yeah, just going through that, you know, I'm happy that and I, I just think timing is everything. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm so glad that. [SPEAKER_03]: Mia and K.J. [SPEAKER_03]: joined this season at this time because he's just, you know, it's needed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I do hope that Mia is not we have boyfriend. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not it. [SPEAKER_03]: They're just cut it off. [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's he's not your guy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really hard when somebody, I mean, being married to a restaurant tour has got to be a horrifying life.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're never going to be around and they're always going to be stressed for years and years and tell this thing becomes like self-sustaining. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, it's you may love him, but he's not going to give you [SPEAKER_03]: anytime, and also, he just looks weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, he's got a weird face. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, congratulations to Carl for his soft launch. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm never going to go open congratulations to him. [SPEAKER_03]: I would go. [SPEAKER_03]: If I was there would go. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll just budget and start saving now. [SPEAKER_03]: So I can afford 24 dollars for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so proud of him. [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm glad that he got to realize it. [SPEAKER_03]: Like everybody was giving him shit about it. [SPEAKER_03]: And it was nice to have a mini reunion. [SPEAKER_03]: All the people came for him and [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone came out for him, so that was nice.

[SPEAKER_03]: Even Lindsay showed up. [SPEAKER_01]: Where was Paige? [SPEAKER_01]: Is my question? [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was too. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you, Hannah. [SPEAKER_01]: But Paige could have been there. [SPEAKER_03]: You could also be there and not be filmed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's being known. [SPEAKER_03]: We're wrenched you about some Beverly Hills at the whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: And it was like just don't put me in it. [SPEAKER_03]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, She's one of the workers this could have came to. [SPEAKER_03]: So long that I think not. [SPEAKER_03]: That was not that did not end well.

[SPEAKER_03]: The interaction with Lindsay and her ex would have been mother-in-law was so Rinji. [SPEAKER_03]: I was saying like, that was all the right. [SPEAKER_03]: To act the way that she did, I know she's been a sweet old lady and she's supporting her son. [SPEAKER_03]: But in the grand scheme of things with the Carl and Lindsay thing, it wasn't all handled right.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was the right decision, but it wasn't handled well. [SPEAKER_03]: What I don't know is [SPEAKER_03]: I read it, don't forget it, and I was like, I don't, I mean, I think that's the best it could be. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was, but it was like two months later or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you want to say they'll say it right away, we're going to couple the months, or don't say anything, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, the teddy bear, the hugs, you know, all the job. [SPEAKER_03]: She just, when is she going to stop jabbing Carl? [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the thing. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: She's not gonna. [SPEAKER_01]: And the man is not defending [SPEAKER_03]: I did think Mia was being weird to KJ about the whole dark thing and I get it everyone seems to be so anti moving fast in the house I like Dora people hate that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is but [SPEAKER_03]: again uh uh yeah i'm uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

[SPEAKER_03]: I guess no one wants another Sierra West to a show. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is not, this is not Joe Bradley and Countess Luan, like that, that's weird. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a couple of years apart. [SPEAKER_01]: They act the same, like they're all in the same wavelength.

[SPEAKER_01]: If it blows up, it blows up. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't fucking know, but like, I don't see, I'm much more concerned about Binance of Breenika Sabrina's fucking weird. [SPEAKER_01]: Dara seems great. [SPEAKER_01]: I like her, I like them together, get off his dick. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me have fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know Sabrina is weird. [SPEAKER_03]: I do think they were always together and then just like okay I can't fake it anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: Just come on down and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: I know Ben bothers people. [SPEAKER_03]: Ben does not bother me. [SPEAKER_01]: He's he's a non entertainment.

[SPEAKER_01]: He might as well be Levi. [SPEAKER_03]: gonna get on me for like always at my Kyle and then Ben like he's he's he's all too like everyone's he's green as autumn like he's all too and then they fit together and for some reason I like the fact that Sierra bonded with Sabrina but also know that Sierra's picker is off so [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she has bad taste too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Her only good taste is Mia. [SPEAKER_03]: So, that's going to be interesting to see how their relationship blossoms. [SPEAKER_03]: But I do like the fact that Sarah is standing in her walk in being, um, she's not what she's saying. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm warm, but I'm not fuzzy. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she's walking being fuzzy, but she bonded with Sabrina, um, immediately and, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Where that goes and the whole Kyle Carl thing I know Kyle was like oh, we said none love a boy No, no, I was gonna be here. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not here and he was like Kyle's like I said that that's why it's not there In the last time I said that I feel like Kyle should have invested and I think maybe I forgot that Kyle has been there for Carl in the times and he's depths of the worst when Carl was deep in his showers.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, Kyle did not break from him Kyle kept him employed Kyle kept him paid [SPEAKER_03]: and Kyle kept him, you know, floating may be not to the best, like Lindsay was saying that he was underpaid and he wasn't, you know, giving it the best, but still keeping him there, Kyle was the worst to him when he yelled like, when you were in cocaine, when you were this knowing that he was sober, because Kyle's flaw is he cannot control his emotions and his tantrums and he shrubs.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying Kyle is perfect. [SPEAKER_03]: Like he has so much work to do, especially since you're older, he should be working on bettering yourself. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think they're in a good place some one Kyle put a post up for Carl and was like You're the best. [SPEAKER_03]: I believed in you.

[SPEAKER_03]: I probably should have done something But I was deep in mine, but I will always support you and some influencer or creator said They went to so far and they had a love avoid not alcohol and they're and Carl also said like you've always been there for me So, you know, well, we're brother and friends [SPEAKER_01]: This was also the soft launch, so it's not like they're open to the public yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they just don't have the distribution deal in place yet who knows, but also to me, I'm just like, you got some nerve, I'm not going to invest in your business, but your business needs to be paying me for what I am for my product and I'm I'm upset with you that you're not giving me money right now, like no.

[SPEAKER_01]: You could say, yeah, no, I get it. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I didn't invest in you. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to invest to me. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, I'm upset about it. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I'm not going to be like, how dare you not pay for a lover boy in this, but you didn't give me any fucking money.

[SPEAKER_01]: So why am I obligated to have your nasty drink on my menu here? [SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, [SPEAKER_03]: I had a thought, but I can't remember what I was going to say. [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe we'll have a lot of fun, but I know they're okay, but good luck to them. [SPEAKER_03]: So so far, you know, the season is still giving and we were here to talk backfill and here we are 40 minutes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, talk about these weird blogs because there's a lot to go on. [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, I will take a break and come back and we'll talk about plathfil. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: I had a listener shout out to you that sent us a timeline because we were talking about Oh man, has it been five years since they separated, who knew that time flew so fast?

[SPEAKER_03]: 1223-21, legal separation date. [SPEAKER_03]: 610-22, Kim gets a DUI and gives Ken's address as residents. [SPEAKER_03]: 626-22. [SPEAKER_03]: Kim files for divorce, 628, 22, Barry and Kim announced their separation in people magazine. [SPEAKER_01]: Weird, magazine. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it does, I mean, that whole time right after COVID during COVID is all a big blur.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That might as well happen in like one week. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just who knows, that two year span is a weird time. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, to me, I always say this, that time is a construct because who knew either way, even this being at like, in 2022, it feels like it was just yesterday.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like we're just using my go. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And in addition to that, the listener is shout out to Wendy. [SPEAKER_03]: It was Wendy R. H. P. S also said that Mariah also worked at Georgia's before moving to Montana [SPEAKER_03]: and she posted in January 2025 that it was her last day and she had been there for a year.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, y'all are the best listeners. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for that timeline because I definitely did not know that. [SPEAKER_01]: So, no, and I wasn't going to do the research. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: This episode, I was telling Brian before I started recording. [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like a filler episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't really much and it was focused on Ethan. [SPEAKER_03]: So, we're just going to break it down into Ethan, Barry, Moriah, and Isaac. [SPEAKER_03]: You think it's not okay, guys. [SPEAKER_03]: I just, Ethan is not, he gets worse every season. [SPEAKER_03]: I just, he doesn't know how to regulate, he doesn't know how to communicate, he doesn't know how to process.

[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of that put that all together, he does not come out okay. [SPEAKER_01]: No, and there really should be a spooky Jordan Peel soundtrack whenever he's on screen. [SPEAKER_01]: This dude is spooky. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a creepy dude. [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna talk about all his creepy ass behaviors.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird, because we didn't see him be like this emotionally wrecked from Olivia. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was bummed, he was mad at her. [SPEAKER_01]: But like this seems like this man is like distraught over what happened with him and Tegan. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think he will be distraught because much like, you know, Rhode Island, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Rula, I didn't know this, I didn't know this, I didn't know this before. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's something about it being the second, especially when you grow up in like, [SPEAKER_03]: religion or culture like taboo where like I cannot have another one because at that point I have to check if I'm the problem so yeah, he's more like I can't have another breakup because otherwise other people or other man he's age would be like well I'm a free agent I can do whatever I want but for him he would be in a you know constricted religious way and he's just like I can't have another breakup I can't do this again [SPEAKER_01]: My god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's because he's just really into big old titties and like he can have some of those, but he is like he is [SPEAKER_01]: unable to focus on anything else in his life. [SPEAKER_01]: This man said, I will give you my business. [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be set for the rest of your life.

[SPEAKER_01]: You'll be turning down business. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man. [SPEAKER_01]: I got to move to Wisconsin for his brothers and like me anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: Like what you think about your future, man? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Like you have an opportunity to do the thing that you love.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not starting from scratch. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to go all the grunt or he will hand it to you, even put your name on it. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like, no, she wants me to be here so I gotta do that. [SPEAKER_03]: Then you have to start over all over again.

[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, we're saying that Ethan is not okay. [SPEAKER_03]: That does not stop people. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't doubt that his DMs are flooded. [SPEAKER_03]: with with. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't listen. [SPEAKER_03]: People in prison get prison letters. [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to lock up your right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that Ethan's one shirt. [SPEAKER_03]: DMs are flooded. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even the guy in the business said I can make it that you could wear black. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody, if somebody offered to hand me their thriving t-shirt company, I'd be like great. [SPEAKER_01]: All of my stress is gone, y'all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I am ready to go. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, can't do it. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't want to take over your business. [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta go to Wisconsin. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand what you're doing. [SPEAKER_03]: I bet the producers are like, oh my god, yet another move we have to add to the budget because now we're filming Montana, now we have to film Wisconsin, then Tallahassee, then Cairo, like guys, pick a place, all of them have to tell us, because they're running away from their trauma.

[SPEAKER_03]: But anyways, Ethan is decided that he's moving, not going to tell her that he's moving. [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to get a place, he's going to move, he's going to sign a lease. [SPEAKER_03]: And then he'll maybe tell her that he's moving. [SPEAKER_03]: He gets her some flowers. [SPEAKER_03]: And he stops by the shop and you're asking, oh, what did you do?

[SPEAKER_03]: Why didn't you do that? [SPEAKER_03]: And I was going to ask you, is there a chance that this is a reality storyline? [SPEAKER_03]: And they were already back together? [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, if that is the case, she needs to pursue a career in acting, because she had me convince she was disgusted by this man, we first saw them together.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, if that's the case, I judge her, because like, what are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: But like, wow. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I asked this question because again, remember I'm taking notes consecutive as the episode is going I hadn't watched it to the end by the end.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, it's not a story like shit shit. [SPEAKER_03]: She don't like the swim shit. [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't because I was like, why is he so confident? [SPEAKER_03]: Why is he moving here? [SPEAKER_03]: Why should come here? [SPEAKER_03]: But, [SPEAKER_03]: At that point, I was like, okay, maybe they just need to stretch it out, but they were ready together, but that's why he's confident enough to move it to come here But by the end, she's just like, I don't know what he's doing here.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's saying it. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, sure. [SPEAKER_03]: We're not together, but okay, so I'm like, I don't believe him. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not so [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he finally calls her because coincidentally he happened to dry past her just as the producer is like your car is kind of unique He knows you own this car right there's one of one, huh?

[SPEAKER_03]: Again, for anyone who's new to this show, they were not raised with other people. [SPEAKER_03]: They were raised with just them and their siblings on a farm. [SPEAKER_03]: So there's [SPEAKER_03]: socializing skills or social skills are very, very stunted, there are skills, education skills.

[SPEAKER_03]: So even is still playing catch-up, which is what he should be doing instead of devoting so much time jumping from relationship to relationship. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just figuring out stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, my point is even Mrs. social cues a lot. [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't get it. [SPEAKER_03]: Even the most obvious things, he doesn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, yeah, and the producer being like, hey, isn't she going to recognize your car? [SPEAKER_01]: I think any normal person would go, yeah, I'm basically driving around in a car with like a giant neon Ethan Plath is driving this car sign above it. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if I want to be in Cognito, I should like rent a car one town over and like driver, I don't like a Corolla, so she doesn't know what's me or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he doesn't get that. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, he found a call to her and he's like, [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I'm here and she's like, oh, and then I'm like, again, this is not fake. [SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't seem to know, like, okay, what do you want? [SPEAKER_03]: He is as awkward as possible.

[SPEAKER_03]: And even worse, when he ends the call, he's like, love you, bye. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't you prepare what you were gonna say? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why didn't you think this through? [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if she answers, here's what I'm going to say. [SPEAKER_01]: you had that whole drive from Georgia to Wisconsin to think about a script of what you're going to say when you talked to her and you decided to wing it and you came up with a weirdo.

[SPEAKER_03]: He did say some may think this is impulsive but I have thought about this for months and months and you still had no solution. [SPEAKER_03]: You still had no solution. [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm taking it suspicious and she's texting him like, okay, what is it about tomorrow? [SPEAKER_03]: Because when he calls, he's like, oh, I have some tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's meet tomorrow. [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, what is it about? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't like, now I'm freaked out because you just leaving hints and I don't want to sit here and wonder. [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, he does not communicate. [SPEAKER_03]: He's sweating everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, oh, I need someone to talk to. [SPEAKER_03]: And who does he call? [SPEAKER_03]: Can't fly. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great idea, huh? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, if there's anybody in that family, I'm going to call for advice on what to do with women. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to call up Micah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's not great at it, but he's had more success than anybody else. [SPEAKER_01]: So like, call it up. [SPEAKER_03]: Success and quotes, guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Right? [SPEAKER_01]: And then Micah, he's like, I don't know, man. [SPEAKER_01]: Just like, be hot in front of her. [SPEAKER_01]: She'll fall for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's his only move. [SPEAKER_01]: Take your shirt off. [SPEAKER_03]: That's all you gotta do. [SPEAKER_03]: Does she know you're in town? [SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: Does she know you're in town tomorrow? [SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: Does she knows you're meeting her at the park tomorrow?

[SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: Kim says, what are you doing? [SPEAKER_03]: Kim says, okay, just tell her that you are delivering flowers to her at the park tomorrow so that she knows it's something nice. [SPEAKER_03]: And she doesn't think it's like, you're gonna cost her a little kid. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're gonna pop up with a knife?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like what are you talking about? [SPEAKER_03]: And then when it is you, then that would be a surprise. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna actually say pleasant surprise. [SPEAKER_03]: and that will be a surprise, but it's very important for you not to lie. [SPEAKER_03]: So he's crafting a text, he reads it out, and then you know, it sounds decent, and then he sends it to her.

[SPEAKER_03]: Then he says, a few close friends of mine say, I should just move on. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like Ethan has close friends. [SPEAKER_01]: that one guy, you please guitar with sometimes, and then the artwork for, I guess, that's it. [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, he works for, was like a paid actor from on Craigslist.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was so animated and just like, it was, what's going on? [SPEAKER_01]: One day, got me, he said, what's your name? [SPEAKER_01]: Tegan, Tegan, oh, wow. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, all right, man, I'm going to call him down. [SPEAKER_03]: So Tegan shows up. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then Ethan, you know, we say he doesn't have social clues, cues, but I think he just, you know, wants to show him when he wants to, he had cut off their mic, and then the producer didn't find that out until they walked off.

[SPEAKER_03]: Man, this is like, they don't have their mics on, they don't have their mics on. [SPEAKER_03]: And then they get into his car, we get like a card, they get into his car, and then they just chat and we don't know anything. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, could also reproduce this for not just like, oh, maybe they didn't.

[SPEAKER_03]: We need to see you just walk up to the car and be like, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, one down. [SPEAKER_03]: Put your mic. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it wasn't out. [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's 40 degrees. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that wouldn't go down. [SPEAKER_03]: But we do get a card up on the screen that says they chatted privately for an hour and they left separately.

[SPEAKER_03]: Very important to note that they left separately. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: The next day we see them on the lake together. [SPEAKER_03]: Ethan tells us it was nice to talk to talk about everything. [SPEAKER_03]: He's told her everything. [SPEAKER_03]: Tegan is like, yeah, it was nice seeing him, but we're not dating.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just FYI. [SPEAKER_04]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: And she tells the producers, my deal breakers and what I told him is I am not going to date him if he's not here or near here. [SPEAKER_03]: And if he's still married, she's very confident that he's not married. [SPEAKER_03]: He can move, but he's not married.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we're not dating. [SPEAKER_03]: So she doesn't seem to believe that he's moving here. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, honestly, he is so nausea, like, I'm just like, fellas, Ethan. [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, ah, I'm going back to Carol, bye. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's literally in pajama pants. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not taking anything as due as doing seriously.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: So they do end with the fact like, I mean, they're leading up to the episode. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if she's contractually obligated to go, but they're all going to Montana. [SPEAKER_03]: to see Mariah and she says she knows she can be friends with Ethan, but he can't.

[SPEAKER_03]: So basically, she's the West and he's the Sierra and he's convinced that that's her his person and she's just like, eh. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: I was doing fine. [SPEAKER_03]: So looks like she's going to be the next Veronica. [SPEAKER_03]: She's just really going to get this family and they're going to turn on her and then say that she's a worse because we're already getting some little breadcrumbs towards that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, caveins involve for some reasons. [SPEAKER_03]: So speaking about Montana, we do get the I think they're setting us up for Montana. [SPEAKER_03]: And we see Mariah telling us that she's enjoying Montana. [SPEAKER_03]: It's giving her confidence and she [SPEAKER_03]: Not really on my own.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have people in God. [SPEAKER_03]: She needs to add some volume to her voice. [SPEAKER_03]: Only Jen and Jackson can get away with that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, full whisper at all times. [SPEAKER_01]: I will say she all seems to show Emma how to wear a wig. [SPEAKER_01]: Her wig is placed properly.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not down on her eyebrows. [SPEAKER_01]: It's up where her hair line's supposed to be. [SPEAKER_01]: So like, I like that she has her wig looking right. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't, my first thought was Montana's big as hell. [SPEAKER_01]: Where are we in Montana? [SPEAKER_01]: You can't just say Montana.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Montana's enormous. [SPEAKER_01]: So like, why do you want to be curious if she is? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: The same music, my job was condonson. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't find out. [SPEAKER_03]: But she's wearing her dog and she just seems really cold. [SPEAKER_03]: They're all seem like it's freezing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, um, she is the one family member who thinks that Isaac made a mistake and break up a calen. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, she does have good insights saying like, you know, I know he thinks he's not ready for certain things, but you're never ready. [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes he just have to jump in.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you're waiting to be ready, you'll never be ready. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a huge contrast because two episodes [SPEAKER_03]: I think he did the right thing. [SPEAKER_03]: You should be young. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think you said this, Brian, I almost called you Barry. [SPEAKER_03]: But you said this, because I'm gonna talk about Barry.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think you said this where we don't know if this is indicative of what where Lydia's mind space is about her marriage. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, she idealized marriage and now she's just like, huh. [SPEAKER_03]: was nice to be on, where did I get myself into? [SPEAKER_03]: So we don't know if she's checking that into that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But we also found out in the episode four that Kim thinks it's a good idea for him to break up because now she's realizing that having sex before marriage is better. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I like to hear her read listen. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Her conclusion is correct.

[SPEAKER_01]: Her reasoning, if you'll just try to cover her tracks, you're a little bit like her conclusion is basically like it's better to have sex before marriage. [SPEAKER_01]: So that way you don't get married just to have sex. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, realistically as better to have sex before a marriage to make sure you're going to be sexually compatible with the person you're going to be with for the rest of your life.

[SPEAKER_01]: But with her, it's like, well, I just think that, you know, and you could take this however you want to take it. [SPEAKER_01]: But it sounds a little bit like she's saying, well, Ethan got married just to have sex. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Lydia got married just to have sex. [SPEAKER_01]: I want my other kids to be doing that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, no, she's, she's right for the wrong reasons. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, she was living with [SPEAKER_03]: I think I just want to point out like I always say this whatever anyone's beliefs are there a lot to do that if you're winning to marriage or not winning to marriage it's your choice.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think my problem with Kim is like she doesn't know how to reconcile the fact that she raised them one way. [SPEAKER_03]: She's now changed her mind and then she's just at shocked when they do things there are consequence of how she raised them. [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know, I don't even know what the right thing is because she's allowed to change her mind.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's allowed to grow too, but it's just how do you place that to kids that you've already raised? [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand it as she says it matter of factedly without putting that part in and the fact that I raised you this way So I understand where you're coming from but here's where I'm coming from she just says it like Well, don't do that to have sex, but how would they know you told them not to have to be from marriage?

[SPEAKER_01]: You can do that with Huey-Due and Louie little ones. [SPEAKER_01]: You could change how you're raising them now, and sort of, you know, we thought one way and now we know better. [SPEAKER_01]: But when the kids are grown, it's a little bit late to be like, yeah, actually all that shit I told you your whole life, never mind that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you still believe that, you're wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, you told them these things. [SPEAKER_01]: This is how Lydia is exactly the kid who grew up the way that you wanted her to grow up and takes this stuff very seriously. [SPEAKER_03]: But also Lydia is not, I mean, Kim is not interested in parenting.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's just interested in friends with her kids. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the other thing. [SPEAKER_03]: So I also don't understand the timeline of Kim finding out about Isaac's breakup because we saw her talking to Lydia when she was getting the haircut. [SPEAKER_03]: But in the episode after we saw her walking with Isaac and saying, like, oh, I walked in and came in with Sarah and she was in tears.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, wait, wait. [SPEAKER_03]: So someone made an error. [SPEAKER_03]: somewhere because she's acting like she just found out with that. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so that's Mariah. [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get more Mariah when the boys show up with their girlfriends in Montana. [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel that Mariah is probably- I feel like Mariah is probably dating someone and then we're going to find out like years later.

[SPEAKER_03]: But like, oh, we've been dating for a year, but after my past, [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like conspiracy theory is she's back with devil on a suit and tie and that's why I saw never got released. [SPEAKER_03]: Really quick with Barry Platt Daddy. [SPEAKER_03]: We are immediately like just thrust the barrier to hit class.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah structures that instructors that don't look like they can do any of the instructions they're giving them. [SPEAKER_01]: The man of the pink shirt has not done a sport. [SPEAKER_03]: that I think the man in the paint shirt has probably done his sport compared to the other one, who was on his phone the whole time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_03]: And it started to wear a tight, fitted shirt that should be. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Gonna be on TV, get a short off. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was just like, but that was the choice. [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, we have some lady named Allison and another lady basically lusting over Barry in the confessionals and saying like, oh, he came.

[SPEAKER_03]: We thought it was cool, but then he just came one day in a tent up and then we said, calling him Plath Daddy. [SPEAKER_03]: He has no idea that's what we call him. [SPEAKER_03]: And then they bring him over and they tell him oh, you're Plath Daddy and he's like, oh, oh, and then he tells us that they love the bulging pices.

[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, listen, he is ripped for a man of his age. [SPEAKER_01]: Then like I said, there is that thing in anime where the super old man takes off his shirt and he's got like a 12 pack and he's gigantic. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what happened here. [SPEAKER_01]: He still has that face.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so like that should throw these women off to be like, yeah, his body's an incredible shape. [SPEAKER_01]: That face is creepy though. [SPEAKER_03]: What can I tell you? [SPEAKER_03]: Like the face is creepy, but I can see the appeal. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't find him attractive, but I can see, like they have attractive children.

[SPEAKER_03]: It came from somewhere, because he has the dimples too. [SPEAKER_03]: And I can see, I mean, they're in Cairo. [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to the parents about your kid, bro. [SPEAKER_03]: So I can see the appeal is what I'm saying, is like, you're not, [SPEAKER_01]: What bothers me as a proud ball to American just shave the little call the sack you have.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, he's mostly bald, it's a genome situation. [SPEAKER_01]: Just shave it off and come on home, you're gonna look a lot better that way than with the Dr. Phil you have on right now. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Last thing we bury is one of the instructors like we mentioned that I think this one, he has no neck too.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was just, [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, it's moving on. [SPEAKER_03]: The sugar that he, Barry Shear, she's a legitail of being ready to date because, oh my God, he would tell anyone who has ears. [SPEAKER_03]: He's doing everything but dating. [SPEAKER_03]: He met with a matchmaker the other time.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, stop going. [SPEAKER_01]: Sandra Bullock type. [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't want a date, don't date. [SPEAKER_03]: Please, I beg you. [SPEAKER_03]: But, totally fine, if you don't want a date. [SPEAKER_03]: Sandra Bullock type, but next week we see him with a blonde yet again, but okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: The blonde is woman of every scene of my life. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we didn't talk about the juicer. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's fake fake story like he just came to hang out. [SPEAKER_03]: We can their house looks a mess. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's going on if can's not doing anything during today.

[SPEAKER_03]: He can clean up, but that that house looks creepy in a message It's turning towards hoarders and I don't know why Barry just can't go buy a new juicer. [SPEAKER_03]: He had to come get one in an open Amazon box and all of a sudden Kim is like ah [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go back on my health gig.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want my juice out. [SPEAKER_01]: I start juicing. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and then that's gone and she has a problem. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, none of you can buy a juicer? [SPEAKER_01]: No, the way they talked about it, I thought it was gonna be like the size of a kitchen table. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, this is like the granddaddy of all juice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or is I'm like, it is no bigger than like a shoe box. [SPEAKER_01]: She's not some gigantic juice you're talking about. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's wrap things up with Isaac. [SPEAKER_03]: He meets up with Kaylin and when he dressed like an adult boy scouts with his stuff, he's gonna bring people all have beautiful balls.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of them. [SPEAKER_01]: They're always with a tucked-in flannel and some cowboy boots that have dirt all over. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're gonna have those boots. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, she's very focused. [SPEAKER_03]: He lays out his spiel. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I was freaked out and yada yada yada and she's first focused on like what was he overthinking?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like what do you keep saying you were overthinking stuff? [SPEAKER_03]: Like what was it? [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, I know I want marriage eventually. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, did you think that I wanted marriage now? [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, oh, you know, you're older. [SPEAKER_03]: Again, guys, he's 19 or 20 now.

[SPEAKER_03]: not like 30 and 19 or something like that and then she's like I know my worth. [SPEAKER_03]: One conversation is not going to change anything. [SPEAKER_03]: He's like I'm going to do anything just to prove to you that I want you. [SPEAKER_03]: She tells us like you know, I know I still love him and I want to set boundaries, but [SPEAKER_03]: But my thing is, how do you recover from this?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he blinds it at her. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: She's not going to feel secure. [SPEAKER_01]: I am reminded of what a mess my and all of my friends relations were from your 20 years old too. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think I had. [SPEAKER_01]: any friends when I was in college who did not go through this sort of a spur of the moment I got emotional and freaked out and broke up with her and now I miss her and we're back together next weekend and like we're gonna actually didn't happen like that was just a cycle of dudes that I knew when we were 20 years old and so like [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not surprised that he broke up with her and like instantly regretted it and three or four days later, she's like, okay, we can take back together like yeah, that's what happened when you're that young and stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: My of course, that's what's going to happen. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's sure. [SPEAKER_03]: There's no there's not as much weight when you're in adults to it, so they probably have three more in them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the play broke up today, back to the tomorrow. [SPEAKER_03]: There's some weird music playing in the background as they make up.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, what is this? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there is my question. [SPEAKER_03]: I have asked this and I am asking again, are Isaac and Kaylin saving a kiss? [SPEAKER_03]: Or saving their first kiss for marriage, we never see them kiss. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit like watching love on this spectrum when we can all go this is the moment where y'all make out and they just don't understand that's what it's supposed to be doing right now sometimes.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like when they were sitting down and that bench, that's when you're supposed to have a kiss when she comes over for the date that we're going to talk about kiss in the doorway you kiss when you guys are making your painting like there's moments to do it and they just don't do it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know her background like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, she doesn't come off to me as somebody who's like super religious, like he is. [SPEAKER_01]: So like, does she? [SPEAKER_03]: She's the only reason why he can call her parents. [SPEAKER_03]: I guess that is true. [SPEAKER_03]: Like super religious people do things like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It fits that dynamic where oh, he looks so distraught only like I feel like really just parents were like, oh, he's distraught. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't be so hard on him. [SPEAKER_03]: And then you call and this part of what he likes about her. [SPEAKER_03]: They look like a family like, oh, they need to come from a good family.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, no, that is true. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: because she hasn't mentioned it, the way that Zack brought it up on his own. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, I wonder. [SPEAKER_01]: But no, you're absolutely right. [SPEAKER_01]: Cause like, I would never have called my ex's parents when I broke up with her.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, ooh, if I hope I never see them again. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that'd be awkward for me. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that's my only thing is like these two things. [SPEAKER_03]: Are they saving it or is she like, I'm not going to do that on camera. [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're just going to hug then the preview for next week.

[SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't there something about a if I was a horse who's writing and I thought it looked like him as gay and they're playing maybe we'll find our answer next week. [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Isaac is also in a flower giving mood like his brother and he is in Kim's rental.

[SPEAKER_03]: Kim has a rental. [SPEAKER_03]: I know it was against you. [SPEAKER_03]: I think Barry got it for her, but I'm like, she still has it. [SPEAKER_03]: I thought she was in debt and needed money and she was just like, that's her income stream. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good for her. [SPEAKER_03]: It's clearly empty because he's using a romantic gesture.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now that people are there then might want to [SPEAKER_03]: drive by their house and stay in her rental, but he wants to do something romantic for her. [SPEAKER_03]: He got her a paint by the numbers of a portrait of them because before they broke up, she got one and, you know, she threw it in the dumpster.

[SPEAKER_03]: And this is where we also find out that they are going to Montana. [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, oh, it's been a while since I see where I am excited. [SPEAKER_03]: I want to go. [SPEAKER_03]: They are going, and then Kaling drops the casual. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to see Tegan. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I want Ethan to be happy, but there are certain things that she has done that I don't agree with.

[SPEAKER_03]: And in case we remissed it, she goes, Tegan, that is. [SPEAKER_03]: Things Tegan has done. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, okay, wait a break, I told him he found it. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, okay, wait a break, I told him he found it. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, okay, wait a break, I told him he found it.

[UNKNOWN]: So. [SPEAKER_03]: Now we're going to wait to see what it is that she's done and then in the preview we see that Isaac is like Why are you here if you don't even want to be here? [SPEAKER_03]: She can doesn't want to be here. [SPEAKER_03]: It's Veronica at 3.0 all over again. [SPEAKER_03]: This is Olivia.

[SPEAKER_01]: With Tegan though, okay, first of all, unless she is contractually obligated to go on this trip, she should not be going on this trip. [SPEAKER_01]: Because you can't escape. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, oh, we had a fight. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go to my house, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: You're stuck in Montana with this dude who is weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: who decided I'd rather sleep in my car in jeans than stay in a hotel room, which leads me to believe, he did that every night on the way up there. [SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't stop, you're not driving from Georgia was constantly in a day. [SPEAKER_01]: So he was stopping along the way to sleep in his car.

[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't like him. [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't want to be with him. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that she's kind of sitting here like, well, whatever, if everything goes perfectly fine, [SPEAKER_01]: But she's gonna get up there and see that he's gonna be treating her like his girlfriend right away and like eating this fine and she's not gonna like that So like I wouldn't have gone on this trip [SPEAKER_03]: So when I say 3.0, we later found out that, I mean, Olivia was contractually obligated to film, but I mean, like, people who don't want to be there, but are there because, and never seemed like she wanted to be there, and it was just became the family against them because we already see Isaac saying, why are you here?

[SPEAKER_03]: Why did you come here? [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, Isaac can't control these writers. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what we're going to see. [SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully they let us know the things that she has done. [SPEAKER_03]: Because, you know, Ethan, he ran all the way, told Tegan and Tegan was like, I don't like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what that is, but the drama never stops. [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, good for them, because we thought this season was going to be about Lydia. [SPEAKER_03]: It's still coming. [SPEAKER_03]: Zack is in tears. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Zack is in tears, because it seems like the two of them are just condemning everyone to hellfire and brimstone for not being godly enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, yeah, you're going to piss everybody off. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're doing. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we still got some juice in this show, so we'll see where it is, but that was it for now, until the next two episodes and we'll be back to talk about it. [SPEAKER_03]: Brian, can you show people?

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, did you have any final thoughts? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I mean, you know, like I said, we need to be added this to make it as creepy as it is with even. [SPEAKER_01]: the other thing that my only other thought with him, I am a flower-giving guy. [SPEAKER_01]: I give my wife flowers all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know she's having a rough day, she'll come in the house, so we flowers and a vase, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: Put them shits in some water. [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot just have roses in your car in 40 degree weather for two days and not give them any water. [SPEAKER_03]: Brian, you're asking for too much remember.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's still like learning about society and things. [SPEAKER_01]: He knows what a flower is. [SPEAKER_01]: get a glass of water and put them shits in some water. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be all dry and crispy when you get them to you. [SPEAKER_01]: But he's a weird guy. [SPEAKER_01]: He only owns one shirt.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm asking too much from him, obviously. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, share of people where they can find you. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I am host of Maths Virgin. [SPEAKER_01]: Kim and I were talking about what we were gonna cover next and the response from our audience was overwhelming and angry that we might not do maths again.

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