Welcome To Plathville: S8 Eps. 6 & 7 w/Brian

0:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of all-to-call. [SPEAKER_00]: I am your host, Tane here with Brian from Matt's Virgin. [SPEAKER_00]: What up Brian, how are you doing? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm mostly good because there was no cam in the second episode. [SPEAKER_02]: So that helps me a lot.

0:25 [SPEAKER_00]: This was an interesting episode and it was very teagun heavy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, literally teagun heavy and she doesn't have any charisma to deliver anything, but she was in a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, her lip gloss was popping. [SPEAKER_00]: I kept looking at it. [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to color that was.

0:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like very well put on. [SPEAKER_00]: And she was just saying everything matter of fact. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know, I do not go. [SPEAKER_00]: So we just went, and I'm like, OK, I need to go to bed. [SPEAKER_00]: I can listen to her confessional, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: That's something.

0:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So she's very straightforward. [SPEAKER_02]: Because she has no emotion for this man anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: So she's just like, yes, Ethan and I wrote a horse today. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the more things change the more things stay the same. [SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned this in the last recap where it was like this is gonna be the next [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Plath family gang up on a girlfriend or wife or whatever, but it's also the same thing where I think at some point we were like, Olivia just leave this people on before we found it was a contract and it's also like to you didn't have to take this trip and now I'm like, is she on the contract because I don't think she's on the contract, but who's forcing you to be here.

1:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to do all this to just be friends. [SPEAKER_02]: So she was out, she was out and could have stayed out. [SPEAKER_00]: So this was very interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the only thing I kept thinking about is why are you here? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, she seems so, she's asked, check that out as Mandy from Kyle.

1:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, why are you on this trip? [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I'm assuming she got some kind of a check, but you'd have to be a big check for me to do this. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't mention she's a working mom. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not enough. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like if I'm going to get anything out of this guy, I might as well do this.

2:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, maybe that would check for for pretending to know this man. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, all right, guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Today we are doing episode six and seven. [SPEAKER_00]: A little quick stuff from episode six. [SPEAKER_00]: It's Thanksgiving. [SPEAKER_00]: They're giving us timelines here.

2:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So they celebrate Thanksgiving. [SPEAKER_00]: All the people who are with Kim even Barry shows up to the house, but it is without Mariah and Micah. [SPEAKER_00]: And this has become a pattern. [SPEAKER_00]: The very first episode we're like, where is Mariah? [SPEAKER_00]: But now it's like, where is Micah?

2:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Micah is like, I'm out this bitch. [SPEAKER_00]: Y'all don't call me. [SPEAKER_02]: with my girlfriend. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't check for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not bringing another woman on here. [SPEAKER_00]: It is not safe. [SPEAKER_02]: I know how y'all be. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing this again.

2:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know who's there, Lydia and Zach and they can't stop bugging them about babies. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just as annoying as it is in real life as it is watching it because it's just like, you know, when things happen when people get married when he having babies when they're going to happen and they're just doing that granted.

3:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she has baby fever, but the girl is just 21. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And you know she wants kids. [SPEAKER_02]: So what is the purpose of asking her over and over again? [SPEAKER_02]: Where are you going to have like soon? [SPEAKER_02]: Because I want them. [SPEAKER_02]: So like it's I'll let you know what it happens.

3:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not a case of like I don't know man TikTok or I want kids or not. [SPEAKER_02]: Like obviously she's going to have like nine children eventually. [SPEAKER_00]: And also don't make this switch from a I think this is a bad idea. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't know each other. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't really like this guy.

3:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And now okay [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, go ahead, baby. [SPEAKER_02]: It's man, I'm convinced it's gay. [SPEAKER_02]: Let us make any sense to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the switch up is like so different. [SPEAKER_00]: Like if anything at all, because she is 21, because Kim had how many kids and you know what it's like once you start having kids, she has time.

3:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even a case of all her fatalities in danger or like, oh, she's at all. [SPEAKER_00]: 52. [SPEAKER_00]: than to get there because I came down lost her, I have a loving mind, oh my god, I'm not ever so, but I'm just being shit. [SPEAKER_00]: In real time though, Lydia and Zach have moved to Colorado.

4:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was inevitable and I'm glad for her and I hope. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that distance is good, she doesn't have to work in the same place as her mom or being a family where she feels like she doesn't belong because a lot of things that she's working with is this is how she was raised families everything, but if your family is making you feel like an outsider, I say this all the time I don't believe in blood is thicker than water like it's people who make you feel accepted and you feel like you're part of them that's your family so.

4:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully she finds the happiness in Colorado and Zach is not isolating her because at the same time I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Are we giving Zach the benefit of the doubt because there is so meaty him because we really don't know this guy Well, and it can be getting a great at it. [SPEAKER_02]: We just don't know.

4:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes We just don't know so good about to her and their move but also this family and their wanderlust is part of the trauma that Mary and Kim inflicted on these kids because yep [SPEAKER_00]: Again, moving is nothing to them. [SPEAKER_00]: Moving locally is a bitch to me, and I don't know how they just keep doing it, and they keep finding houses.

5:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, well, that's all I think about. [SPEAKER_02]: We've been working in the K-Roy area is, it might just be like, please take this house. [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I don't want to move again. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pity, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're not, right?

5:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Zach and Lydia move from Florida. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's right, they're a good girl. [SPEAKER_00]: And you guys are Montana, and even move to Wisconsin, and it's just, again, [SPEAKER_00]: What did they do? [SPEAKER_02]: That's all I have a whole time believing they have credit.

5:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Just connected from the whole world. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think I don't know what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: They just entered into society. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, how are we doing this? [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember. [SPEAKER_00]: Tim is not co-signing.

5:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's no, so yeah, that's my question every time I see this. [SPEAKER_00]: So regarding them, they're bugging her for kids and then came from nowhere. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I'm not out the race for kids. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, uh, wait. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you are. [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about it like even if you're even if you're not yet fully in menopause at 52 the odds of you having a kid are very low.

6:20 [SPEAKER_02]: We we watched boes with more money than anyone knows what to do with go through every possibility and she's not able to get pregnant right now with her abilities like Kim. [SPEAKER_02]: Stop, this is what he said. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I go go, I go go Kim's age and I'm like, she's 53 because I was like, you know what she did get married young.

6:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she's doing the race and I don't know what I checked and I was like she's 53. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure like, you know, you're in menopause or close to it and you're just doing this for a story and you think it's funny and it's like, no. [SPEAKER_00]: And then Isaac says, if you use a lawnmower a bunch, doesn't it wear out?

7:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God. [SPEAKER_02]: Number one, an insane analogy. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, boy. [SPEAKER_02]: And number two, I almost feel like this is Kim just making sure, hey, just so you all know, we are having premarital sex. [SPEAKER_02]: OK, like all the time, full-on raw dog at it. [SPEAKER_02]: So like, just in case you were wondering.

7:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you don't need to make an analogy for anything about this. [SPEAKER_02]: I just just say like, I don't understand how a woman's body works. [SPEAKER_02]: Just say that because you don't know what you're talking about, but like an analogy to make it worse. [SPEAKER_00]: I know this is a woman who is going through regret for the years lost when she was younger because in the past few years is when she's [SPEAKER_00]: first out of the religious lifestyle, I guess, when she lost all that weight and she was wearing the shortest skirts or skirts, I don't know what they were.

7:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the dance and, you know, dating and then primarital sex and then basically not parenting her kids to be honest with you because they're her friends. [SPEAKER_00]: And just having a different worldview and I think she regrets not having that view when she was younger to herself hotter and she could have done all the things [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever lifestyle it is that she's so so now she's just like yeah I'm gonna get a haircut like my daughter and if my daughter's having kids I can have kids too.

8:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't make it she needs to go to therapy a lot of them all of them all of them every single one of them [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know why she gets mad at Barry for some of the jokes and things he says because she's just as bad I don't think she recognizes it, but she's just as bad So the other thing that was very distracting.

8:46 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a green drink What was that it looks like it would kill you like you had so much sugar And I was like is that even said Patrick say so what was that? [SPEAKER_02]: It was the greenest thing I've ever seen in my life. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I was wondering is this what she needed the juicer for?

9:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this part of her like juicing journey that she's making? [SPEAKER_02]: Like a celery, cucumber, avocado juice? [SPEAKER_02]: Is that any greenest thing I've ever seen? [SPEAKER_00]: This did not look healthy. [SPEAKER_00]: This looks like good. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Blubby, Blubby, something that they seem to like because they were passing it around.

9:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So it looks like it looks like the stuff they would make at like summer camp. [SPEAKER_02]: We're like a big vat of this juice and just like this is just, this is the color it turned out. [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically what it looks like. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Barry stops by.

9:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I just feel like. [SPEAKER_00]: Kim is benevolent and let's him come by besides the fact that they're filming, but to be like, hey, I moved on. [SPEAKER_00]: I got a boyfriend. [SPEAKER_00]: You're still single. [SPEAKER_00]: That's just. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That's your feels.

9:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what world for all the things she said about Barry that she's okay with him just dropping by stopping by and owes the holidays come on, but she doesn't seem that benevolent. [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: She never has. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get it. [SPEAKER_02]: I have a hard time imagining he's doing this outside of filming.

10:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the productions like he has to come over. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have a storyline for him. [SPEAKER_02]: He's yet again thinking about dating We can't do another episode of that. [SPEAKER_02]: So like he hasn't come over. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess she's gonna talk about it And I also think he can't stand can't but he'll never come right out and say it.

10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He hits her gut But like the closest is when they went to that wine bar and he was like, okay, I got a bottle for you And then he went out and he did up. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a question My own damn bottle. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he can send her [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I have a question for you Ryan, when they say Plath family home, what does that mean?

10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that Barry's home? [SPEAKER_02]: I think, I don't, number one, I don't know, and number two, I don't know whether this is important for me to know. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't hear what you're at. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: The reason I ask is, why are they not just saying Barry's home?

10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is it how family home? [SPEAKER_00]: Why are they sharing custody of the home? [SPEAKER_00]: Six months in, six months out, because the next thing I saw was him in the house and then he looked like the cabinet where Kim was living in maybe the previous season, but I know her house is messy.

11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's all confusing to me. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, again, why are we calling it, [SPEAKER_02]: because Kim's house looks like an episode of American Pickers right now. [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not, that's not her house. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I almost wonder and I don't think this is the case because I don't think TLC has, once it's been that kind of money on this.

11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if like Barry has his house, Kim has her house and they've like rented a house for the season for like when everyone has to get together or something like that. [SPEAKER_02]: I otherwise this is making any of the M-Sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, nothing they do makes sense, but no. [SPEAKER_00]: Either way, over at the Plath family home, aka probably Barry's home question mark.

11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to watch Amber, someone in forever to just grow up because that's our, you know, to last season or two seasons ago, we were like, that's our MVP. [SPEAKER_00]: She's the one that was standing up to Veronica. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, why you talking about my family like that?

11:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's wrong with you? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But we have to watch her cook fish with her friend Berlin. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, not a big deal. [SPEAKER_00]: Black Daddy comes out with 16-year-olds. [SPEAKER_00]: Why is he hanging with his kids? [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot say this enough.

12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Go make friends. [SPEAKER_00]: You're in a gym. [SPEAKER_00]: They find you're attractive. [SPEAKER_00]: Go hang out with them. [SPEAKER_00]: Barry already on a base level looks creepy. [SPEAKER_00]: He's just even when he's not doing anything creepy. [SPEAKER_00]: He gives creepy. [SPEAKER_00]: He looks like the subject matter of a Netflix documentary.

12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm sorry, he hasn't done anything. [SPEAKER_00]: his base look so when he's got a scary face to the mix him hanging out with 16-year-old and their friends and then you're talking about your dating and telling them they call me pleck daddy my god when he said that I actively yelled in my basement said oh I got like that jumpscare [SPEAKER_02]: At a minimum, leave them alone to have their dinner.

13:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank them for giving you a plate of food. [SPEAKER_02]: Go scamper off to somewhere else to eat and let them have 18 age girl dinner. [SPEAKER_02]: This is so weird and off-putting and I'm just like, [SPEAKER_02]: I know no one in this family can read a room. [SPEAKER_02]: I know they all have weird social hangers.

13:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't know what's appropriate. [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, at a dead minute, you're sitting three feet away from these two girls who keep on making the most weird fucking faces to everything you say. [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't notice that? [SPEAKER_02]: This man is a mess. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but even the producers, who thought it was a good idea for him to sit?

13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Ember was making dinner for her dad, which is in itself. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, shouldn't dad be making dinner for her? [SPEAKER_00]: But again, she's 16, I did it. [SPEAKER_00]: But it goes back to the whole thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Who is parenting these kids? [SPEAKER_00]: Lydia's out the house now, because we know was Lydia for a minute.

13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just who thought it was a great idea. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yes, if we wanted to talk about dating again, call Micah, something, but [SPEAKER_00]: his 16 year old daughter and her friend, who, why does she care if you're dating and who you're gonna date and that they call you flat daddy?

14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything about it was just not in good taste, I guess. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, and also the way that he brought it up where he's like, I don't know if you've heard, but I'm dating again, where would she have heard? [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the hot gossip high school that Barry Platte was in the market again?

14:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what do you mean, I don't know if you, of course I have it heard. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like the gossip around town. [SPEAKER_02]: He, he makes me upset. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you bring up a good point. [SPEAKER_00]: What is the schooling situation of these kids? [SPEAKER_00]: Are they still going to school?

14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Because King is busy now. [SPEAKER_00]: She got a man. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's happening with Huey, do we in Louis, the little ones? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what their plan is for these kids.

14:51 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't seem to be accurately parented by anybody anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: Just out here on these streets. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you guys usually know stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: I remember last time we got a timeline. [SPEAKER_00]: If you know what the schooling situation of these kids are, please let me know.

15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm curious. [SPEAKER_00]: I think my thing is, I don't follow them offline. [SPEAKER_00]: So if things come across, yeah, because you know that there's a lot of context that is not being given. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm now not worried about the kids, but I'm just like, what is the situation with the kids?

15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when Ethan came to sing songs with them, it just seems like a happy time. [SPEAKER_00]: Someone cares about us. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the shoes off. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go outside. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me started on this whole Bigfoot story line because after he talked about the dating, then he starts regarding this poor girl with stories about Bigfoot.

15:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I have long had a question. [SPEAKER_02]: I need to know you're opinion on this. [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard it both ways. [SPEAKER_02]: Is the plural of big foot, big foots or big feet? [SPEAKER_02]: Because I say big foots, and it sounds wrong, but then if I say, oh, there's a gaggle of big feet that also sounds wrong to me.

15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what the right Sasquatch is, is fine. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I know what you call them. [SPEAKER_00]: I can confidently tell you that I have never thought about that in my life. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I feel like there's not enough time to think about it because I was immediately going to say big feet and that sounded so Yeah, it's not insane, right?

16:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know a big foot. [SPEAKER_02]: The floor is big foot, big foot, big foot. [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's like a moose, the plural of moose is moose, the plural of big foot is big foot. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, her multiple big foot. [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds right.

16:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw two big foot. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh God. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't mean to miss you up. [SPEAKER_02]: There's really more. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry about that. [SPEAKER_00]: The question is for you guys. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys call them? [SPEAKER_02]: What is the plural of the big foot?

16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never considered. [SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard that this theory that like big foot are interdimensional advanced race of beings. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not a thing. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were just like [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's keep crying. [SPEAKER_00]: I tuned out. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.

17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know even when episode six, when they were hanging around, look, I was like, what is this? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, is this just a alert? [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have anything to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, going to family vacation or something. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why they would make a they refuse to go to family vacation.

17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he's going to come by and say, you know, we just want to put a united front for the kids. [SPEAKER_00]: And let's see what happens out of that. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: Can't do that. [SPEAKER_00]: But big feet, big foot, big feet, I tuned out. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying.

17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll take a break here and come back and talk about Montana. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: The big Montana vacation is here. [SPEAKER_00]: Did not realize that it was a sibling vacation. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought we're just going to visit Moriah, but they say that it is a sibling vacation.

17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Except Mike is missing. [SPEAKER_00]: and before we found out later in the episode, I had written down why wasn't Lydia invited? [SPEAKER_00]: And then I found out that she really wasn't, if I did. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: They, on purpose. [SPEAKER_00]: But Lydia not invited, but the girlfriends, Tegan, who has been broken for a while, was invited and Kaylin with Isaac, who, you know, Kaylin isn't a good spot.

18:10 [SPEAKER_00]: She has that man on his tippy toes, trying to do right by her. [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever she says goes, [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I ask, are they saving a kiss for marriage or are they just saving it not for the camera because there's a lot of hugging like a lot of jike hugging. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't know and I whatever the answer is I don't like it.

18:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they're if they're having sex off camera, if they're kissing off camera, if they're waiting until they are at the altar for their first kiss, none of these are good answers for me. [SPEAKER_00]: They have rights to their bodies right. [SPEAKER_02]: They do but like I have to like it.

18:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to like it That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: If I just saw them have like a peck on camera I wouldn't put a bit of a fine whatever you don't behind closed doors is for you But I'm just like it's a lot of hugging you guys are in separate rooms You called her parents when you broke up.

19:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a little weird questions about their relationship [SPEAKER_00]: And it's one thing if it was just like, oh, one hug, and then that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: You just got, he just kept grabbing her, grabbing her. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: You can do more if you want. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't care.

19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Your mama don't care for sure. [SPEAKER_02]: So mom wants you to do it at this point. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, and so the pattern begins, like I said, because they're worried about how Tegan treats Ethan. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, at some point, the last family has to realize that Ethan might be the problem, not might.

19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Ethan is the problem. [SPEAKER_00]: And he needs to fix up. [SPEAKER_00]: But Kaylin says again, because she said it before, that since the breakup, private things happened. [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, one minute taken in sweet, and then the next minute she's sideways, and that he did certain things that he is not proud of.

19:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think I said this the last recap. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw this on Reddit that he slept with her friend. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_00]: This is true. [SPEAKER_00]: Tegan, why are you entertaining him at all? [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's a no-go zone. [SPEAKER_00]: Like everything's closed off to him.

20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So why are you entertaining him? [SPEAKER_00]: Because that is a... [SPEAKER_00]: No, no. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it might not be, you know, no fair room, but it seems like, you know, taking is very much like, we're just friends. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're not doing anything, we're not sharing a room, and even it's trying to move.

20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if this, if this is me and I'm teagun, if that happened and I'm teagun, I am the world's pettyist person on this whole trip. [SPEAKER_02]: I am petty manneys, I am petty liberal. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just I'm an asshole to you for this whole trip and no we're not going to get any closer.

20:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just here to ruin your time. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what happened with me. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm here to make me have a bad vacation. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and now what she did? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm low-key, but I'd be in his face about it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if it's, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: How does it's unintentional, but you're saying you're intentional about it, okay?

20:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I would, we'll talk about when she interviews him. [SPEAKER_02]: I'd have all kind of questions about what was it like. [SPEAKER_02]: What positions did you guys do? [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing to be first or after, like all that. [SPEAKER_00]: They're keeping it off camera.

21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know why she's agreed to it. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, that's why I'm like why she here. [SPEAKER_00]: Even as asking to watch a movie, I don't know what this cottage lodge, whatever this is, but it's a whole slew of DVDs out there. [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, well, the way my room is set up.

21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, it's me. [SPEAKER_00]: No one's going to make you different. [SPEAKER_00]: The way you have to watch a movie, you have to be on the bed together, and I don't want him in my bed, and I'm like, no, this is the only reason why I kind of believe that that really happened, that you can separate her friend, the reaction is visceral, like it's very, it's not, oh, he didn't put me first, it's like, okay, then that's it, but this is a strong stance that she's thinking of.

21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then the producer is like, okay, not long ago, you thought he was the one. [SPEAKER_00]: We see her put her head on his shoulder. [SPEAKER_00]: How did you go from the one to now you can't even watch a movie with him? [SPEAKER_00]: And she says, you know, he had a birthday party and wait, she lives in Wisconsin, why did she kind of have a southern accent?

22:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that a northern accent? [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a Midwest accent. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's not a Wisconsin accent sounds like Canadian accent pretty much. [SPEAKER_02]: Wisconsin, Minnesota, they also have like Gino from 90 to 90. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I used to, um, I used to work where our central office was like in Chicago and I tasked and I picked up the accents a little bit and I was just like, wait, this is not a Midwest accent.

22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if she moved, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: But she might have, yes, Calgalaxians different, but her accent is not from anywhere in the upper Midwest. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure it works from. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So she says she went to surprise him. [SPEAKER_00]: She drew five hours on his grandparents house.

22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: These grandparents that we never see, but they talk about her lot. [SPEAKER_00]: They seem to be very close to their grandparents. [SPEAKER_00]: Do we know if it is Kim or Barry's parents? [SPEAKER_02]: I always assumed it was Barry's parents because I think he's from Minnesota, but I also think that and this might be just me making shit up.

23:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that Kim had like a bad relationship with her mom. [SPEAKER_00]: again, anyone out there willing to confirm? [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he seems really happy to see her, but then all of a sudden because Ethan has mood swings. [SPEAKER_00]: He needs to accept that.

23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He disappeared on her. [SPEAKER_00]: She went to look for him and then he said acting weird and then just like working on his car and just wouldn't talk to her. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he said because they're telling the way they're showing it is like a not a side by side, but they're going back and forth.

23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: She sent her side of the story. [SPEAKER_00]: He's saying he's at a story. [SPEAKER_00]: Both very charismatic people. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a fun time listening to the stories because there's some monotone and so So he says like he shut down like an idiot and she just kept asking and asking and he just looked up [SPEAKER_00]: and he just saw his ex, but those who don't know Olivia, and that she needs to do that and just ask him questions, and I'm like, I wonder, why?

24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when you shut down your partner, I kind of want to know, are you okay? [SPEAKER_00]: Give him something. [SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, you didn't learn anything from your previous relationship. [SPEAKER_00]: So he says he puts his tools down, he shut his phone off, and he left her at his grandparents' home, and just took off.

24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And in my mind, it's the same way he took off at Zach and Lydia's wedding rehearsal, [SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is why I believe that he did, whether he cheated or whether they were in a break or this was a rotten Rachel thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the most likely scenario that they were in a break.

24:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he stepped with a friend and he was like, we weren't even together. [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, it doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_00]: Like we just broke up. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think she's so priceless. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh man, I don't know how to act.

24:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I just stepped at your friend, why are you here? [SPEAKER_00]: I have to do a person not over the phone. [SPEAKER_00]: It's adding up to me, but maybe I'm seeing what I want to see. [SPEAKER_02]: It's all a mess, because let's just say it played out exactly the way that you said it played out.

25:05 [SPEAKER_02]: What is wrong with you? [SPEAKER_02]: What's wrong with you? [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're at your birthday party. [SPEAKER_02]: You are with your grandparents, this woman, your interrelationship with, or whatever, has shown up what made you so upset that you had to go panic work on your car.

25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's, you're with family. [SPEAKER_02]: So even if you're stressed out by something, you could say, hey, guys, I need to go take a minute outside and kind of decompress whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: I have never been in a situation with my family or a wise family where I feel so overwhelmed, I need to just like go remove myself for a while because she was like, well, he just vanished, which is not what Ethan does.

25:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, don't have to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't be doing that. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is all, this man cannot handle his emotions at all. [SPEAKER_02]: and his only go-to move is to go like work on an engine for a while if he's dressed about something. [SPEAKER_02]: He's got problems.

25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And then besides ignoring her, even though she drove up, you ignored everybody else. [SPEAKER_00]: That was there to celebrate your birthday. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just rude. [SPEAKER_02]: You live with your sad girlfriend now, but she's crying and it's like, well, I don't know Grammy and Gamp Gamp can hang out with her, I guess, and we'll get this figure out.

26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand his behavior is at all. [SPEAKER_00]: So he claims that it's one of the most haunting images he's ever seen in his life where he was watching her cry as he looked in the rear view mirror and as he peeled off and looked back and saw her just crying. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you did that on your own.

26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You should have stopped. [SPEAKER_00]: I was seeing. [SPEAKER_00]: He's made someone some movie you watched and he's described me. [SPEAKER_00]: You could have stepped in your breaks. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: If you saw that and then you sped up. [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's on you, man.

26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Teagan says, yeah, we broke up that day. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, when he turned his phone back on. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's terrible. [SPEAKER_00]: And then we're sharing to where did he go? [SPEAKER_02]: Where do I, I don't know, I mean, I can see him just like driving around for hours and just like not even like he doesn't he can talk to himself.

27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So like driving around the car in silence like looking angry at the road for a few hours. [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he was saying this as an excuse, but he's like, you know, at that time, we were already on thin ice because, and the reason why they weren't thin ice is because he said it was going to move and he still hadn't moved.

27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Like five months. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that happened. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, these are the things that remind you that, you know, reality TV is what they want to feed us because that's a blast season. [SPEAKER_00]: They were all lovey. [SPEAKER_00]: They were all, you know, all of each other or maybe it is real life.

27:40 [SPEAKER_00]: One minute does love and next minute does [SPEAKER_00]: something close to hatred. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: And with Ethan especially. [SPEAKER_00]: But also, did they talk about this whole move thing last season? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I know they said, oh, it's long distance.

27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, you will have to close a gap. [SPEAKER_00]: But the way it's such a center story, a central storyline this season just feels like, oh, I don't think I got the idea that it was that important that you must move by XYZ or else. [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought, remember being a big thing last season.

28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just thought over long distance. [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, you one of us has to move, but we'll figure it out. [SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't know it was like a ultimate of my situation because... No, I didn't get that vibe. [SPEAKER_00]: When you responded to the DM, you knew where he lived.

28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you knew where she lived. [SPEAKER_00]: When you sent him a DM, you knew where he lived. [SPEAKER_00]: You knew he had a kid. [SPEAKER_00]: We're in, like, leash. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the one that's gonna move because if the dad isn't Wisconsin too, [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't, I don't, let me give you a sense.

28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the other thing, like you have to be responsible when you date on the base level for yourself and for the other person. [SPEAKER_00]: But again, when a kid is involved, they have to be extra thought given to it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you feel good when you're together, but they're logistics to think about.

28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're just, Ethan is not equipped. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, he cannot function as on his own. [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's, there's missing pieces. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because even if it worked out and they decided to get together, I don't think he's equipped to be a stepdad. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't have these emotional outbursts and try to work in a relationship and then try to foster a relationship with the kid and you haven't figured out what's going on with you and all that.

29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just don't even, even thought. [SPEAKER_02]: Beyond that my kid came home yesterday was upset over something that happened at recess a kid scored a goal in soccer And was being asked all about it. [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever and my kid was sad about it because he said if that was Ethan He'd like I don't know have you gone outside and worked on the car for a while that'll make it better I bet I was like, hey, let's talk about it But like I'm sorry that happened.

29:47 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a rough day That kid is a jerk. [SPEAKER_02]: He's always been a jerk and like I'm sorry that happened Ethan would not be able to have that kind of conversation He'd like that rip [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he would not understand because again, he didn't go through that. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm like, this is a kid that's feeling like a lot, I'm not talking about your kid.

30:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, this is a kid. [SPEAKER_00]: He's feeling a lot of things. [SPEAKER_00]: But there's still growing. [SPEAKER_00]: So they don't always know how to express it. [SPEAKER_00]: They just know they're feeling things and you walk them. [SPEAKER_00]: Someone has to guide them through that and he's going to be like, I'm going to talk about it and teach the kid to shut down.

30:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and part of that is being able to sense the kids' emotions. [SPEAKER_02]: Ethan can't sense anybody's emotion. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't come out and he had a rough that you write. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't say it come out and say he had a rough day at school. [SPEAKER_02]: He was acting a little bit different than usual.

30:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, hey, man, what's going on? [SPEAKER_02]: And then we talked about it. [SPEAKER_02]: Ethan wouldn't even notice if the kids act in a strange. [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, sometimes kids work by assimilation, what they see. [SPEAKER_00]: And if they see like, oh, we don't talk about stuff.

30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And, or they make the mistake of talking about stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: And the reaction is not what they want it. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I'm never doing this again. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna have, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Then we create another event where we just work on tools or something.

30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we just do it every day. [SPEAKER_00]: We're on time, so I'm just moving. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm moving to Vegas. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm gonna take a quick break. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what we write back. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so eventually [SPEAKER_00]: After the whole thing happened, and they broke up or whatever, Ethan went to go talk to her, to ODD call, I don't see him going there, I think they called it, they talked on the phone, and he said that he hadn't told her, but he wants to be around for his little siblings to grow up, and the kids, and take it as like, okay, the youngest is 12, so we're talking about six years.

31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something like the most bullshit version. [SPEAKER_00]: That I'm making shit up now like that's what you want to do how often do you even see your little siblings that now you want to be around you're not there parent I get it, but you are willing to give that up with with Olivia yeah you were going to be a while when they were younger so like I don't he just made some shit up.

32:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what he was doing with this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then there's a plane. [SPEAKER_00]: You can come visit them. [SPEAKER_00]: They could come visit you, but the whole time exists. [SPEAKER_00]: I need to be around until they're grown. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a great six years.

32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was the wait. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, six years, minimum six years. [SPEAKER_02]: Cause you might say, well, they got a college graduation in four years. [SPEAKER_02]: They really should be here for their whole college education. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, this is just you making shit up.

32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird. [SPEAKER_00]: But, ah, as things happen, Ethan is now ready. [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't need to be around his siblings anymore, because- Fuck, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: And he says, maybe it's a little too late, but I can try. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he gives that smile he inherited from his dad, except just younger and has hair, so it's not as creepy looking.

32:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why Ethan is so fixated on Tegan, because Ethan has a lot of issues, but men always have the advantage in this world. [SPEAKER_00]: We were just talking about, for those of you crossover in 90 day and Shay, [SPEAKER_00]: Who is the hottest thing in Paduka and I'm like Paduka must be starving, but I don't know Yeah, I don't do it Can get anybody you want really?

33:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean if I'm just gonna be crass here He's into like big old titties that you got some of those and I'm wondering if he's just like I don't know if I'm ever gonna get something like this again like I fumbled the bag I need to get those back. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

33:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand It doesn't make sense to me at all [SPEAKER_00]: following Brian's line of thinking, he can get those, and you're again, I do not doubt that Ethan's hands are overflowing in both ways. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I don't know if he knows how to check his DMs, but I, yeah, he does.

33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how we met, he can. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So he will be fine. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't understand if anything, the fixation is just part of the things of the, [SPEAKER_00]: Growing up things he never kind of got. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and I think it's the whole, I can't have two relationships that failed this way because then I have to admit that I'm the problem.

34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's too late. [SPEAKER_00]: You're ready to the problem. [SPEAKER_00]: So I just, the distinction is tiptoeing towards, okay, now, what are we doing? [SPEAKER_00]: Because, [SPEAKER_00]: saying I can try to someone who seems to have no interest in you is a lot, you can't get all the places and then it's like, it's not romantic anymore.

34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: At that point, you would be stalking her. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what this has to be. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for him to say, even if she told me she doesn't mean to move up here, I would still do it to show her. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm serious.

34:45 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that is stalking and violating her wishes and her personal safety in space. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he can says that she came to Montana to have an opportunity to hang out as friends, as they have been no contact for a while, and she's focused on rebuilding the friendship. [SPEAKER_00]: Eh, still bullshit, but you can hang out as other ways we have to do it in the mix that they're filming, but it is clear that.

35:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't spoken in a while. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you can, you can visibly see how uncomfortable it is. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't even think I realized that there were no contacts. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I realized how bad this was. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me put it out. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

35:22 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think that's fair. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess I could have imagined because they don't live in each other, they don't have a reason to stay in contact. [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I don't know what they told us how long they've been broken up. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's long enough that he can is fully over it now.

35:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, doesn't have any interest in rekindling things that hasn't seem to be any kind of an emotional tie that she has towards him anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the way they presented it to us, where it was like, oh, I've made up my mind, I'm gonna move. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought they had a conversation.

35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, no, they did. [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, until you're divorced, and then if you're nothing here, so I'm like, okay, he got some kind of encouragement. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, things would be better if you move here. [SPEAKER_00]: But it looks like she's like, what?

36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I said that nine months ago, like, I don't know what you're saying. [SPEAKER_00]: So now everything here and from her point of view, it's a little, oh, what is happening here. [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, she's focused on she wants to see how he would handle being friends. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, guys, if you've been listening long enough, I don't believe necessarily being friends with exes.

36:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If it happens, it happens, but it's not a rule. [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: They're probably going to hate you. [SPEAKER_00]: That's okay, too. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's not going to be liked, but it's not a thing that you must be friends with your exes, so you feel good that everything's okay.

36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Because she just keeps saying, what it's easy for you to be friends, what it's easy for you to be rebuild, what it's easy. [SPEAKER_00]: Go make [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would say, I'm not friends with any of my exes. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't hate any, well, there's one that I hate. [SPEAKER_02]: But like, you know, I don't, there's not animosity.

36:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, we don't have any reason to talk to each other anymore to be around each other at all. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we have to manufacture a reason, unless you guys are part of the same friend group were friends before, got together, and then broke up, and you're still part of the same friend group.

37:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Ethan and Tee can weren't friends before this. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's no reason to be friends now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now all I want to know is if she has a contract because again, everybody's keeping you here this time. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, um, I success. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, when they all hang out and meet up together as it goes like, oh, Tegan was normal to us.

37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like as opposed to way. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, why would she be an asshole? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys like she said hi like any normal person, but um, it just was awkward when Kaylin, where I and T again is seated in that little place in the lodge and they just sit there and silence. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's on point.

37:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Tegan tells him that because I think I'm where I asked like how are things going with you guys and she's like, I'm shocked that he's moving. [SPEAKER_00]: It's making it at this time. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yeah, what's your up to? [SPEAKER_00]: She tells us that she's a working mom.

38:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the traveling window her dating was her and looking back at it now. [SPEAKER_00]: She's just like, Oh, Tegan. [SPEAKER_00]: What are you thinking? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're doing you big dummy. [SPEAKER_00]: And she reiterates again, I have no interest in diving into anything with him.

38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: She does wish that he was happier because he looks so sad because if there's one thing even plaque can do, he can suck. [SPEAKER_00]: Sulk for the gods! [SPEAKER_02]: his sadness is so performative. [SPEAKER_02]: He's just he's he's like that gift of uh uh uh with a George Michael Bluth from um uh a rest of development walking with his head down past like the dog house and into the house like he's just he's being sad so we all see him being sad.

38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing I wish he was someone who actually believed in therapy or talking to [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that Ethan knows what he feels like to be happy. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a strong statement because I don't know him clearly, but Ethan is comfortable in the sadness because it's more of what he knows.

39:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's always sad, he's always conflicted and he doesn't know how to flesh out his thoughts or parse them out or even express it and then he just becomes a mess inside of him and then he goes to the cars and then he becomes even worse. [SPEAKER_02]: it's also binary. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, in the early seasons before he got married, he never stopped smiling.

39:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He was, was Kenneth the page from 30 rock. [SPEAKER_02]: He was just an enormous smile and not knowing nothing about nothing. [SPEAKER_02]: And like now, we haven't seen this man's teeth in seasons now. [SPEAKER_02]: But he is sad all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's where the saying comes ignorance is bliss because you make a good point.

39:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know anything. [SPEAKER_00]: Life was great. [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't know. [SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't a shame thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And he was happy, but the more you know, the more, you know, things. [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, oh, shit. [SPEAKER_02]: I shouldn't know who Spider-Man was, but he was, he was so happy in the beginning.

40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, their first day of vacation, this vacation is just as sad as the weather, it is raining cats and dogs so they all stay in and I do want to do a little sidebar like it seems really tiny they came to see Mariah but there's not really much except this I do want to give Kudos Mariah for sharing her journey with alopecia like [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to take for granted something that you think is regular.

40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Brian, I know you're bald, but it can't be easy, especially as a woman, like just sharing like how baldness, you know, and literally no eyebrows and being makeup free on camera, like listen, real house as a banana, we just had a housewife who wouldn't feel because her glam school wasn't there.

40:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This Abarlo is not going to go anywhere without [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of women like that without makeup or anything. [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't imagine like, you know, if she's self conscious about, you know, her hair and just being bald everywhere, but she's sharing this journey and she's doing it on camera.

41:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to give a little kudos tomorrow for that. [SPEAKER_02]: Especially because we didn't know for a very long time. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like last season was the first time we found out she was even dealing with this at all. [SPEAKER_02]: So like that takes a lot of bravery to to open up about it after you've been on TV for so many years already.

41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I think she regress she had a regrowth and then I guess it happened again and she does talk about, you know, she's trying to figure out things that she can take and then she does mention, link if you miss it, I'm trying to eat more. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So while they're waiting, um, sitting there, nothing to do, vegan decides that she's going to interview Ethan because Ethan does not communicate.

41:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But she finds that he does best with a camera in his face. [SPEAKER_00]: Make a battle with you. [SPEAKER_00]: Will. [SPEAKER_00]: So the camera is filming them as she has a phone camera in his filming him. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think she took advantage of this very well because she's asking all these, [SPEAKER_00]: random questions.

42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: She asks about if he regrets his behavior, especially towards Zack, because she was very disappointed in the way that he behaved, which [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't shown to us last season. [SPEAKER_00]: It just seemed like she was supportive of her man. [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't really get the fact that she was disappointed.

42:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, again, he would tell us what they want to show. [SPEAKER_00]: Or show what they want to see. [SPEAKER_00]: And she said, it's not a way for you to live life, like being petty. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, she's throwing her digs. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, get better at it though, through a stronghold.

42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He says that he's you never been a hothead and he's apologized. [SPEAKER_00]: And then Isaac said something like, [SPEAKER_00]: this is a confessional. [SPEAKER_00]: She can work through this if she needs time to get over something but she can she should take the time if that's what she needs because there goes Isaac again like I want to like Isaac but Isaac does not make himself likable so therefore I'm not really Isaac person but it's just like he's just always supporting his [SPEAKER_00]: siblings and I get it.

43:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, that's how they were raised, but it's always like I don't know if he's ever objective, like I said it's not the person you go to the advice, then put it that way. [SPEAKER_00]: No, it doesn't give good advice. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like you wrong my family you're wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that except for Kalean [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if, no, I don't know if, I think Isaac has a distrustful women.

43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't explored that, this is just, you know, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like from all he's seen happened to his family, Loki, his mom, all the things. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he thinks Katelyn is different. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think generally, women, I don't know that he has [SPEAKER_02]: I think he has a distrust of women that this, yeah, no, I would not be surprised at all to see he listens to a lot of manals for your podcast and stuff.

44:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that he does, but like the way that you won't understand it, Brian. [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, I think that's the problem because if you hear one of them and you don't know anything already coming into it, it can sound very authoritative and believable. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, he makes himself exclusively unlikable, like, and I think this whole thing what she should give him time and try is just projection, that's just, you know, I am, I'm afraid that Caitlyn is going to not want to do this after all, and so I'm just saying, hey, if you break up and he comes back, like, give them a shot, just do it.

44:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you should do, right? [SPEAKER_02]: It's not good. [SPEAKER_00]: Especially if he does know if this is true that he stepped to her friend and all that He was still supporting him like you should understand why she's mad so I don't know They go horse riding and Ethan keeps checking on T again to make sure she's okay But T again is not about it again.

44:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole thing when someone annoys you just then breathing just makes you like Get out of here like don't look at me, but she says even checking to make sure she's okay is making her anxiety worse And she's actually getting annoyed [SPEAKER_02]: This is my wife. [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I looked back every Thursday I could make sure she was okay.

45:13 [SPEAKER_02]: She was like, turn around. [SPEAKER_02]: You're here for fall down. [SPEAKER_02]: This is a shoot back here at Snipe. [SPEAKER_00]: No, different thing to eat in a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine how annoying it is because even from what we saw, the producers keep asking how are things that you and Ethan, how are things that you and Ethan?

45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine the ones that we didn't even see and that was just gonna annoy me. [SPEAKER_00]: Like read my mind language and make of it what you will leave me alone. [SPEAKER_00]: But Tinkin says that Ethan's energy is heavy and the people pleaser in her wants to kind of let that go And maybe if she lets her walls and her boundaries now, maybe he would be happier.

45:46 [UNKNOWN]: Like don't do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it. [SPEAKER_00]: So. [SPEAKER_02]: Have we learned nothing from Sierra? [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do this. [SPEAKER_02]: Keep that man frozen out. [SPEAKER_00]: She says it's more important for her to stick to her boundaries because he put himself first during your relationship, which I think is good word for, hey, you and then got himself happy.

46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: and now she is going to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Even says it's easy for him to shut down and get in his head and he knows how this affects people around him. [SPEAKER_00]: He's trying his best not to, but I do think he's failing. [SPEAKER_00]: He says it's not fun going through this, but he's hopeful that this is not the end for them and I'm like, [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's the end.

46:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So, bad news. [SPEAKER_00]: Chimes in again says he doesn't understand why she's blowing him off and he has been so sad ever since they broke up and for so long and if it's not going to work, well, it's not going to. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, I see. [SPEAKER_00]: You've been in a relationship, you know, you're one and half years or something.

46:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the girl you were in kiss and you got all the answers, huh? [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Kayling wonders why Tegan came all the way. [SPEAKER_00]: She's not going to make an effort. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I think she's making an effort. [SPEAKER_00]: She's hanging out. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she could have lost.

46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: She's over here and watched the DVD. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And then she says something as it always says, we have to decrease the food not attitude. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, Oh, she love love Isaac. [SPEAKER_00]: She finds this funny because, hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: This man thought that was a bar.

47:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He thought he ate with that line. [SPEAKER_02]: He died of starvation. [SPEAKER_02]: No, that is not. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not some kind of a quality saying, you know. [SPEAKER_02]: And again, probably came from Manus for your podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're eating one of those hosts saying, you gotta tell your woman, hey, you gotta decrease the tune, not attitude.

47:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha. [SPEAKER_02]: No way. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys Brian is the expert in the Manus fair. [SPEAKER_00]: Not for which he just trying to find it out early. [SPEAKER_02]: And you're ready. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, that was it for Montana. [SPEAKER_00]: We did get a little bit of Lydia and Zach.

47:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we're getting timelines. [SPEAKER_00]: It's two weeks till Christmas. [SPEAKER_00]: And she's a very excited for Christmas. [SPEAKER_00]: She loves delivering Christmas. [SPEAKER_00]: They have a very beautiful tree in their apartment. [SPEAKER_00]: And we get to see baby Zach. [SPEAKER_00]: Um-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum-hum

48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [SPEAKER_00]: gives that power he will be condescending because even there when she said she was excited for Christmas He's like how can you be excited about something you never celebrated?

48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, well, I've celebrated it for three years and he's like, well, I have for 20, however old 24, whatever, yeah, four years. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, she's happy. [SPEAKER_00]: Why? [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you competing? [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you want to say? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm excited for you, too.

49:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's very easy to say, hey, you're excited about Christmas. [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know why you have to like, keep Christmas from your wife. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if anything, you just like, oh, let's start traditions like since I have experience.

49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me show you all the things we do and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: And anyways, we didn't talk about this, but a little bit of Xack's boldness because Lydia makes him feel like his smartest men in the room. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think he's better than all of the paths put together.

49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: This is my flat all goes to Ethan. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just asking about I heard through the grapevine, I heard through the whole Lydia. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the question that's actually that even should have asked him because he's like he's to bring it up things I haven't talked to my brothers about.

49:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I know you haven't talked to Lydia about them then so that leaves they came from either Barry or Kim. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe it's because I watched a much real housewives, but the obvious answer is who do you hear this from? [SPEAKER_02]: Who told you that? [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Lydia.

50:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Lydia, because she taught us it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, they talk. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she works in her mom and her mom is trying to be a friend. [SPEAKER_02]: I can see. [SPEAKER_00]: So she'll find out through there and because I can see Kim using it to bond.

50:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, you know, this happened and that happened. [SPEAKER_00]: So the same way Lydia found out about Isaac's breakup. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he tells me because Zach is always saying like, oh, she tells me this. [SPEAKER_00]: I hear this from the family, but it's like, what gives you the right?

50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a man who thought you were not good enough for his sister. [SPEAKER_00]: What gives you the right to go over to him and then question him about all of the things. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, run a approach and also to Ethan, but yeah, I will give Ethan Scootow. [SPEAKER_00]: He did answer the questions, which I was very surprised about.

50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I was fully expecting, can you fall off and get off my face right now? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, who are you? [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if there's one thing we know about Ethan, if he's working on a car, leave him alone. [SPEAKER_02]: He's not ready to talk about his emotions. [SPEAKER_02]: He's, that's why he's working on the car.

51:05 [SPEAKER_00]: These people don't have friends. [SPEAKER_00]: They're recycling friends. [SPEAKER_00]: Taylor is friends to all, to Barry, to Tim, to Lydia, and he shows up to talk about Christmas. [SPEAKER_00]: And we find out that there's spending Christmas with Zach's family and then they're headed to Montana.

51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when we find out that she was not invited or she wasn't invited, but she didn't hear about it until last minute. [SPEAKER_00]: Meaning like, oh, we're in about our tickets and all everything's fixed, so you can't help. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're going to the airport already. [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess we'll be next time.

51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but she does have a trip headed to Montana. [SPEAKER_00]: I always like when Lydia and Mariah get together So it would be interesting to see what that dynamic is when she goes But she does mention that she feels like she's been overlooked the majority of her life But I think she is a middle child that usually happens and Zack says yeah And it affects her and to some extent me to okay Zack, you know and that you know She's expressed wanting to be included and stuff still happens without them [SPEAKER_00]: So that's it for this edition of Welcome to Pacfield.

52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have anything else that we missed? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so. [SPEAKER_02]: Just, well, just Kaylin being irritated that Tegan wasn't getting your horse pass fast enough so the horse got big. [SPEAKER_02]: Come on man, let's go, get, get, get going here. [SPEAKER_02]: But that was what we about it.

52:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that was scary though. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going on. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd be terrified. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't want to be on a horse. [SPEAKER_02]: He's biting another horse or getting bitten by another horse. [SPEAKER_02]: That's all fall off and, you know, break my neck.

52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, um, [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for stopping by, Brian. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back again guys. [SPEAKER_00]: This is by Weekly in two weeks. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have another episode. [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if that coincides with the reunion of someone else? [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't check.

52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: But if it does, you guys know we are going to talk about that. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I've never anticipated something in my entire life this much, because it's every episode is crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this end I'm looking forward to that and the Southern Hospitality reunion more than anything else I think.

53:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a new to see him get gathered if she's the, she's not going to get gathered. [SPEAKER_00]: Lever's out there protecting her and doing what I know, I know the fuck level. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, well, thank you for listening. [SPEAKER_00]: As always, sending any comments that you may have, don't forget Patreon.com slash also calling me a fast.

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53:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye