Welcome To Plathville: S8 Eps. 8 & 9 + Summer House Reunion Part 1 w/Brian

[SPEAKER_01]: And new, everybody welcome to another episode of Altacol. [SPEAKER_01]: I am your host, Tane, today to talk about, well, supposed to be welcome to Platville, but it's going to be a mix of the summer house part one reunion and welcome to Platville. [SPEAKER_01]: With me as always, is Brian from Mashed Virgin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Brian. [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing? [SPEAKER_00]: I am great. [SPEAKER_00]: I am really happy that Sierra decided to walk in, swinging a board with a nail in it. [SPEAKER_00]: And just here, Amanda in the face over and over again. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me be very happy last night. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I was not disappointed by the reunion.

[SPEAKER_01]: I first I thought, like, with all the leaks and all the expectations and everything that's happening that I would be like, let down, but no, it gave, it gave. [SPEAKER_01]: I, as an, I quote, this is what I said on threads. [SPEAKER_01]: My flabber is so gassed it. [SPEAKER_00]: Why? [SPEAKER_01]: This whole situation, this showing by Amanda and West, but mostly Amanda, because West was mute, I just, I, I, yeah, I have no words, I, I can't do that until justify it and still coming swinging like I am the wrong to one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're wrong for being mad at me for what I did, like that is, and it's saying position to take here. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, yeah, I couldn't get over that. [SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, it's not, we're just gonna go through like the highlights of the part one of the Summer House reunion before we move over to welcome to Pat Phil.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what did to say, last time we talked about Summer House, the finale. [SPEAKER_01]: And somehow, we both missed the kissing scene, I brought it up, I'm like, hey, I did not see them kiss on the bench. [SPEAKER_01]: That was in the preview, what happened? [SPEAKER_01]: Buying and saying, yeah, I didn't see that either.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, you know, we're good. [SPEAKER_01]: That's my friend, my friend is like, listening, and she's like, yeah, you're talking about it, but I don't know how you watched it. [SPEAKER_01]: But YouTube TV, it's right there. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, I usually watch it on Pico.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have YouTube TV, give me a timestamp. [SPEAKER_01]: I go over there and like, uh, it's there. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, go over here. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a peacock and I'm like, oh, it's there. [SPEAKER_01]: So as always, I'm going to blame Brian because, you know, you're my backup. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember that I brought it up.

[SPEAKER_01]: You said you didn't see it and I felt good, but it wasn't it. [SPEAKER_01]: So apologies to anyone who was yelling and saying, it was there guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: the Mandela effect got me again because I'm like, I can see that kiss from the preview and the one that I remembered was on the other side of the screen.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Could I have a stroke? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that would happen here but I don't feel good on my mental health. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I didn't see. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, maybe he wasn't on the pick-up one but it was there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I went back to Lucifer and today she guys know that it was there and I don't know how we both missed it. [SPEAKER_01]: So I [SPEAKER_01]: Um, FYI, this reunion, we watched the regular cable version, not the peacock extended version. [SPEAKER_01]: Even though, I will show YouTube TV and the YouTube TV set extended version.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, how do you guys have the extended version? [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not. [SPEAKER_01]: So if there's anything missing here, it's because that's the version. [SPEAKER_01]: We plan to watch later, but we're recording right after. [SPEAKER_01]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's why, but anyways, it's finally here the Super Bowl reality TV this is the most anticipated reunion that we've been waiting for and the gods love us so much that this was filmed after the whole the [SPEAKER_00]: And imagine this was the week before, it's like what a waste is going to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: We had three weeks, we had time, we had stuff so we had stuff to talk about. [SPEAKER_01]: So as dramatic as it could be, it is timestamps, March 31, 2020, six world date stamps. [SPEAKER_01]: Lindsay is doing her confessionals for in the city, Kyle comes in, telling her, yeah, you might want to check your phone, she's like, oh my god, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: She sings that he asks her read, read it to me like this came real you read it to me and just it's the fact they have this on camera The reality gods think you are blessed blessed and highly favored We have this on camera and then a group call to for me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was reaction.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was great [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what was the interesting was that she's reading the joint statement and she's like, this is not all, this is all not what happened. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what do you know that we don't know? [SPEAKER_01]: Then a jocy calls and he was like, this is the first time I'm hearing a verse and then they add me a [SPEAKER_01]: and then Kyle is on there too and then Jesse asked like you know did I do of them that is Mandy and Wesley talked to Kyle Ocia and Kyle was like yeah I talked to Amanda last night and Wes texted me an hour ago [SPEAKER_01]: I needed more in that moment, but the man looks stunned, so I'll forgive him.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, what did she tell you last night? [SPEAKER_01]: Did she tell you a statement was coming out? [SPEAKER_01]: Did he? [SPEAKER_01]: Was it an apology? [SPEAKER_01]: Was it a polygetic? [SPEAKER_01]: Was it the first time? [SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, this is a lot of online debate on how Kyle is reacting to this whole thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, oh, they're married for years. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, guys, why are we doing this? [SPEAKER_01]: They're people married for years. [SPEAKER_01]: They find out that person [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, cheat at or with their friend and begin mad. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, this, this is not normal behavior to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's way too calm about the whole situation for me. [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what she told him, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think your conversation was? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, this is going to sound unkind. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give a shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: She lies about everything all the fucking time. [SPEAKER_00]: So who knows what she told him? [SPEAKER_00]: I have no earthly idea of what she could have told him to get him to react like this. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was... [SPEAKER_00]: you know, we kissed one time or whatever because his reaction, I'm thinking back over the years of all the housewives we have seen get cheated on.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking of a Lisa Hawks Dean situation where it's like, how about we're in the whole house down? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like this is not, I mean, even Rula right now on Rhode Island is more emotional. [SPEAKER_00]: She's lying to herself and others. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, [SPEAKER_00]: but also the statement didn't really contain any details about what's going on between them.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know that something is going on between them, but it's not like we have been having sex for the last four weeks daily or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: So I have no idea what she told him, but it feels like whatever it was, it might have been [SPEAKER_00]: along the lines of like we got drunk and like hooked up one time and people making a big deal out of it or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And not that this is my new man and we're going to be unhappy together at a Yankees game in a week. [SPEAKER_01]: New. [SPEAKER_00]: That's funny. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think he cares that she, if she was sleeping with someone else, I don't think he cared. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the worst part of it, because you have to understand, like you're going up for this guy who there's a huge story between him and Sierra, Sierra, who's supposed to be your friend, and also [SPEAKER_01]: you you're losing your career like you already don't have a lot of interest in doing stuff like the little that you had the Renaissance that you're gonna have you through the wave of West.

[SPEAKER_00]: For West. [SPEAKER_00]: That is the part that is in you you fumbled the bag so tremendously. [SPEAKER_00]: She could have had an Ariana Maddox you know Phoenix rising from the ashes because [SPEAKER_00]: Let's be frank. [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle sucks as a husband. [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a good husband.

[SPEAKER_00]: He treats her badly. [SPEAKER_00]: He yells in her face all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: She could have had a, you know, a hot girl somewhere. [SPEAKER_00]: She's coming out of this looking great. [SPEAKER_00]: And this is opening up all kinds of brand opportunities for her. [SPEAKER_00]: Now she's toxic as fuck.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like I'm going to just make it worse. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to make everything worse and steer into this skid. [SPEAKER_00]: She's bad at this. [SPEAKER_00]: She's bad at it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm majority of it is that it's the person, it's that it's wet. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know, she's still with her boyfriend now, but it was pretty quick.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think when they started dating also and it's just like you didn't even have fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't even stand on your own to fee, you need to have someone and then you had it had to be West. [SPEAKER_01]: But I dig her. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: everyone is all saying like this is so fucked up and Kyle is like I consider myself close to West like I was his parent's house and their farm I'm like guys West taking you to his parent's house means nothing so I'm quick going there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Stop going to that place. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, going to that post just means that he's about to fuck you over. [SPEAKER_01]: So, right now, you know, they went to Canada together Carl called Kyle and says how, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: He was picking up all what happened is that he calls Kyle and then they put the phones together So they could hear, but I think he was actually Lindsay that picked up the phone I think because I think it was it was like a pretty budget situation going on and everybody who was like This person that person could hear each other So he's saying like he picked up on the inappropriate mess and how touchy feeling they were and I'm like Oh, okay, I'm not the only one who felt like these people have no boundaries because That's just weird Lindsay asked like when

[SPEAKER_01]: Did it start? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: I went straight into the reunion because, you know, they all walk in. [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, everyone looks great. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I thought Lindsey's dress was great. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think like, I'm not really good at like cosmetic procedures, but I feel like whatever it is Lindsey's doing, just stop now before we get into a series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The lips looking crazy all of a sudden. [SPEAKER_00]: The lips are too much at this reunion. [SPEAKER_00]: I would say everyone looked great, set Mandy, Mandy didn't look great, and neither did neither did Kyle, frankly, because like [SPEAKER_00]: I think he sat down and went like you're suitin' I'm like that's not really a suit, is it?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's just like a jacket like- Well, she said it was casual. [SPEAKER_01]: It was like casual. [SPEAKER_01]: It's very casual. [SPEAKER_01]: It was nice. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was smart. [SPEAKER_01]: It was bad. [SPEAKER_00]: He looked underdressed compared to everybody else's what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, this man is, again, he's losing everything. [SPEAKER_01]: He's basing his wife, his French, his potential, like somehow show, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: He's working on even here. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, that's the other thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just like when Raquel showed up to the reunion, I'm not giving them props. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say I'm glad that Wes and Amanda showed up. [SPEAKER_01]: Because honestly, they did not. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, they could have pulled a will from so-and-how to tell. [SPEAKER_00]: But I meant to help when I'll allow me to go on stage.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need to be protected from this anger I'm going to face. [SPEAKER_00]: Like fuck off, man. [SPEAKER_00]: Get out there and get your ass kicked. [SPEAKER_01]: you know. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad that they are there. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it's been a lot of speculation because this was the time when it was announced that West's grandmother had been fatally stopped by his cousin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone was saying like that affected he is but a little part of me wonders like I don't even know if he knew by this time. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you're already knew that he was going into a Charles situation, I don't know when the family found out, but they might choose to like, hey, we'll tell you afterwards.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not giving the he knew because, you know, Andy does like the walking, sees, you know, all of them. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, talking to each of them, but and voicing calm, I didn't say as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you guys seeing calm. [SPEAKER_01]: So it should be fine. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we'll be on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing we see from West is I'm saying he feels very zen right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just found out that my cousin stabbed my grandma 12 hours ago. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm a fucking mess like Carl. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel good right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I don't think he knew either so still on the phone call guys Lindsay asked when did he start and Amanda says it's been a month That's what Kyle said me says bullshit minimum.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been just January and Kyle was like that's true. [SPEAKER_01]: The blinds have been coming out since June 20 25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is not they covered their tracks pretty well for a minute and then it all fell apart. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, remember guys, there's a lot of season we just watched is in 10 of summer house was filmed 2025.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like July to that period. [SPEAKER_01]: So that was when all the funny touchy feely was happening and you know the being scared when Sierra walked up in the back showed up. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there's that coming in less than Amanda got the same dressing room and actually surprise dating come together.

[SPEAKER_01]: I expected to come up the cart together. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they thought that would be too much, but this no boundaries with these guys. [SPEAKER_01]: So why stop? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: When Kyle got out of his cart, there's a little bit of a bunch of like, I want to say fans that are in the background in the back.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you peep that Andy was behind Kyle and his pink suit. [SPEAKER_01]: Just walking up his, yeah, walking up to Kyle and he's just, you know, and his little strut just to Kyle. [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be walking and fever just out. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool because at first I said, like, is that Andy, then I really want to.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw that it was Andy walking up behind Kyle. [SPEAKER_01]: But they chose not to have a moment where maybe he walked up to Kyle. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, hey, buddy, how you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: They just, he was just there in the background. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like you said, Wes says he feels then, um, Sarah tells Andy, that she feels more betrayed by Amanda.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's just wondering why? [SPEAKER_01]: That is the question that everybody's mind. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, um, all the guys have a moment where they're all laughing at West Dickpick. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot good enough to say because the dickpick was rotating everywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Jesse just like, who does that and also why is it flaccid? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is that saying? [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, just like, I saw that, yeah, I have it. [SPEAKER_01]: I got told somebody got it three times, like he rotated that much. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, this is just hilarious.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like a picture of your flacid dick is for like medical purposes. [SPEAKER_00]: Like is this look weird? [SPEAKER_00]: Is something wrong with it? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why you would sit in that to anybody. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I know people are saying like he probably didn't himself to distract, but I'm like, I don't know the severity of West is psychoness.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: He's capable of not. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to distract fluff it up first, like that's a distraction. [SPEAKER_00]: Me and like here's my sad flat dick is not, that's not exciting to anybody. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to distract me. [SPEAKER_00]: You look stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I haven't seen it, but for everybody saying I don't even know if that will help so might as well, and then you can use the excuse that it was fast and that's why. [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's not, it's, it's, it's unfortunate looking. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a real butter. [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't take so many minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little ridiculous. [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird looking. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a funny shame. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's weird looking. [SPEAKER_00]: As if it's a funny shame. [SPEAKER_01]: So we all lock in. [SPEAKER_01]: They all come in. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like we said, when Mia walks in, I might have a little girl crush on Mia. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's... [SPEAKER_00]: That girl is mine. [SPEAKER_01]: My God. [SPEAKER_01]: Just don't let each stretch in. [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is my world, everyone. [SPEAKER_01]: Sierra comes in last. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, going back, right, to all the phone calls, the things and all that.

[SPEAKER_01]: A little part of me was like, what's this a production type thing? [SPEAKER_01]: Did they just happen to be there and they called and then they called everyone? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm not complaining. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, was there a little? [SPEAKER_00]: Whether it is or not, I don't give a shit I'm happy we got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: If it was, you know, promote that man. [SPEAKER_00]: Promote that man, promote that woman, [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, yes, Sierra comes in last and Andy's just trying to break the tension and then when Sierra walks in [SPEAKER_01]: It's the way the camera is focusing on Amanda West. [SPEAKER_01]: They're looking her up and down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just do that mouth thing that he does. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, well, just go rabbit, Kyle smiles. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I do want to say that C.N. [SPEAKER_01]: did apologize kind of to Kyle. [SPEAKER_01]: She's already tearing up. [SPEAKER_01]: This is before she comes in. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just like, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: he said he felt misunderstood and she's just like I didn't realize the extent that you were bardoming out like I'm so sorry like I just didn't realize and then because what a decent person does when you point out something wrong that day did you don't go say well another was really upset so I had to add her back or he's just like I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: I fucked up. [SPEAKER_00]: I fucked up. [SPEAKER_00]: I will say you brought up West Mouth thing. [SPEAKER_00]: We have talked a bit obliquely about his quote unquote shower usage. [SPEAKER_00]: The way the amount and way his mouth is moving all throughout this whole thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a sprinkle allegedly all over this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It appears that he had some 100% pure Colombian cocaine before he came out there. [SPEAKER_00]: This dude's mouth is going crazy, the whole, he's not saying anything, but his mouth and jaw are moving around to the whole time. [SPEAKER_00]: He's off the stage. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I've never done Coke.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen people do Coke, and their mouth does weird shit. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, all the evidence we have around him. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, if West, if you want to sue somebody, don't sue Tane, come get me. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying this myself. [SPEAKER_00]: But I was so distracted and the first time I noticed it's like you said it was in Sierra Walsh.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, you're mouth is even way too much. [SPEAKER_00]: This sucks going on here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I was about to say that. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for saying that. [SPEAKER_01]: My name is Brian. [SPEAKER_01]: What's up? [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Maff's very ginna. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worth anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Come and see me. [SPEAKER_00]: You want to five-year-old Apple Computer. [SPEAKER_00]: You can have that, I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: I need a book. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're around town, isn't it? [SPEAKER_01]: People have been speaking about that. [SPEAKER_01]: I know nothing about the guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going with that. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he has that famous video where he's picking up something from someone publicly, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: And the other video will suspicious by God on his own. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just... [SPEAKER_01]: I've never thought, I've never put too much thought into you know what or not he is all I know is like he has a lot of mouth That's my Yeah, I've been for a lot I've seen fish than that Um, when they come out poor Carl Carl comes out and he's like, uh, I'm beside, he looks like I'm sitting beside West And I was like, why did he put, why did he do that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why did this to me? [SPEAKER_01]: Like somebody had to sit by him, why him? [SPEAKER_01]: Right [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it was funny when Sierra came out and Jesse's like, oh, rise. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they're so cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and right as they sit down, that is when West allegedly finds out about his news that someone texted him and said, like, oh, you need to go around.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, really, I don't know what time of the day they started, but that's the first time how come everybody is seen in so many times and you were just hearing about it? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that Jesse just like, yes, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: We already have all three of them for whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: If we didn't know an inkling of what was to come, I think everybody was talking and I think she was like, even say like he hasn't sent her a nude I think I haven't gotten any of them. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, good be the room Yeah Okay, I'll take a first break here and then come back for the real start of the reunion [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think that Andy asks to say like you know he always asks what are your intentions or what do you think, you know, for the rest of the meeting or what do you want and [SPEAKER_01]: I think Amanda says I would like to apologize.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hope to apologize to Sierra and Kyle and before she could have been finished to statement, Sierra was like, oh, glad you could say her names and she says it with a dead bear. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, so what did you say? [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, glad you could say her names this time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, did you hurt me? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying it again. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't start her, but that was the energy you see here. [SPEAKER_00]: I never had the nerve to roll her eyes and go like, [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, you don't get to act mad right now, like you have up, yeah, I think that's what it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was not a humble bone on Amanda's body. [SPEAKER_01]: She came in like defensive. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, defensive and feeling aggrieved. [SPEAKER_00]: Feeling like, why is anyone mad at me? [SPEAKER_00]: What I did was totally fine. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are all out of line for not like supporting our love or whatever it's the same.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're doing too much. [SPEAKER_01]: So the ass here, I like how Wendy, she suspect, and she was like, she started, her suspicion started January 17. [SPEAKER_01]: She called Amanda for drinks to come out, with her and Mia and her location was West House. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, this is the lucky work.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you try to hide and do stuff and but I think it's a case of if we're like out in the open, there's nothing to hide if something was happening, why would I turn off my location like I'm always asking what like, you know, we cool so You know, January 17, do you notice the difference of that date?

[SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: So January 19 was when Amanda and Kyle had their statement that they were separating. [SPEAKER_00]: He's putting down a marker, this is before y'all even said you were separate and you're already over at West Hells with your shit off. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't anyone see that?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't Kyle bring that off to you? [SPEAKER_00]: That's a scotch. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not good. [SPEAKER_01]: Not even using coffee in here. [SPEAKER_01]: Colleach just. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's gonna be a little frustrated when everyone says what we're worried about, Amanda's mental health when Sierra has been so open, saying she's on Prozac, and that's what helped her to even get through the summer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Some like, everybody's mental health, like, we're all struggling, hell, we've all recovered from COVID. [SPEAKER_01]: We're all like, anxiety balls walking around and really around Earth. [SPEAKER_00]: My therapist is just retired yesterday. [SPEAKER_00]: I got to get a new one now. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a bummer. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good recommendation. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, oh, no, I got to go a whole back door. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, so she's like, no, I'm hanging out with West.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then there was like, no, Amanda just, how are you meant to just lean? [SPEAKER_01]: She's just like, oh, I'm hanging out with West. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hanging out with, then one's just like, well, how does the, doesn't little here. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, well, most of the people you hang out is like, West friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, no, I'm not hanging around then. [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, no, he was there for me. [SPEAKER_01]: And Sarah was like, and I was where? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not saying you're not there, but Amanda's like, you're not the only ones I have other friends and they're like, yeah, the other friends are West friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have your own friends because also at this point, not to bring up the past or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know what the status of their friendship is right now, but where is page and all of this equation? [SPEAKER_01]: Look at a hanging out with a really just TV friends because if she and Pedro TV friends, they're honestly, I can understand that she didn't see Sierra as her friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is there just should have given her that much energy during the summer? [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't sound like a man that thinks a page as Sierra's her friend either, because she's like, Sierra, the whole point of the argument was, I have been trying to call you. [SPEAKER_00]: I've been trying the text you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been trying to invite you over to my house. [SPEAKER_00]: I've asked if I can come over to your house to hang out. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm asking you if we can go to the bar. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't respond to my text. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't answer my calls. [SPEAKER_00]: And I see you on Instagram every night out with West and his friends.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, I'm your friend when you need me in the summer. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm holding you up through this whole mess. [SPEAKER_00]: The second me get home. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know who I am anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't answer your phone. [SPEAKER_00]: You're moneying out with me because you're too busy with West all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was probably the reason you started to feel kind of weird about it. [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, you don't ever talk to me at all. [SPEAKER_00]: And West is your your right or die all of a sudden? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, remember if she just didn't want to show up to see her as birthday.

[SPEAKER_01]: So then you're saying, then Carl was like, oh, she hangs out with a girl named Katie, I guess another Katie, and they were like, oh, that's friends with West too. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she's like, she's not friends with West. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she says, fuck off and roll your eyes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I, who do you, who do you think you are? [SPEAKER_01]: I can't. [SPEAKER_01]: I really can't. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why and I'm just come again with humility, but that's not happening here. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what's the silent guys?

[SPEAKER_01]: Just if I was to silent this whole time. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if we were saying that Sierra's rude because I'm just like, yeah, yeah, to Sierra telling her to shut the fuck up, but she was like, you don't want to press this bridge that you want to shut the fuck up Amanda, like, try me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do not do it. [SPEAKER_01]: So C.A.S. [SPEAKER_01]: says the truth is West you have sat here for three years and you're fraudulent Like we still don't know who you are and also all time you know I didn't go out for it Mia and then you know I don't know if the ads has been a while and then just went to ads and I was like Oh drama Fantastic [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so the funny thing about this part is when they talk about the girlfriend and he's like, yes, like, I wouldn't say she has my girlfriend, but we're seeing each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you fraudulent human being. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we need go back to what happens live. [SPEAKER_01]: She's the one who gave him the horse hair tie or whatever is happening. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, time. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Amanda's done in a long like going along like, yes, I knew he had a girlfriend and all that and I can't remember who says it if it's Mia or Lindsey on the other side of me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they was like, do you know now? [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know now? [SPEAKER_01]: Or did you know then? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's very important because What ever happens, Amanda's thing is like, I'm gonna have his back, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm gonna say like I knew, but at the time did you know that he was double dipping between [SPEAKER_01]: Both of you because she's not going to say, well, I didn't know, not she's not going to reveal anything right now at this moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she should have said, I knew about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I knew and that's when me is said, why are you doing this? [SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't be married to what is sidepieces. [SPEAKER_01]: but she didn't say a new about it. [SPEAKER_01]: She said we've talked about it. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the key.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like she knew she said we've talked about it because of course they have to come up with their stories. [SPEAKER_01]: They have to talk about what they're going to talk about here and that's just what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: And to you point and that's when we ask the question that we all want to know why are you doing this?

[SPEAKER_00]: I said that Mia had stayed over at his house the day before he went on watch what happens live. [SPEAKER_00]: So like this is not just like, oh, I had a thing about no, she's staying at your place. [SPEAKER_00]: But they were going on to, no Mia, Mia, his girlfriend Mia. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He has girlfriend Mia stated his place when she brought him that ugly ass tie and then the next day he went on watch what happens live and said, Oh, Amanda is very close to me somebody I care about whatever like this is clear over a lamp.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to see this. [SPEAKER_01]: So let me get let me get that out. [SPEAKER_01]: She says, why are you doing this? [SPEAKER_01]: You went from being married to being one of West side bitches. [SPEAKER_01]: Like the premise of that is like, you know, West side, like a West side bitch, like everything about it was like, yes, I have a girl crush, but it was just fantastical.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is when Amanda drops one over her mini, like, what the fuck are you saying, gems? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can't help who you're attracted to, and I'm like, huh? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, you know, from the leap, I think they cut it out because it's the part that I guess, where she's telling Sierra that she quoted Sierra, what she said in her confessionals, when she was talking about the race, being attracted to someone that's white as a black woman, and, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: Thank God for the leap, because that is what would have happened, which is giving like the Emmett.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so when you get that, she just says, you can't help you're attracted to and then Sarah's like, yeah, you can't. [SPEAKER_01]: You can remove yourself from the situation. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh, wait, so I'm supposed to be single and celebrate and Sarah's like, you're not single.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're still married. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I'm not married anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: And Sarah's like, oh, in the state of New York, if I look it up, are you still married or what? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Sarah was stepping on her neck. [SPEAKER_00]: Not that her bleed. [SPEAKER_01]: So Andy's asking and they're saying like, oh, it was PG nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It happened and they're like, okay, when was your first kiss? [SPEAKER_01]: They were like February then they were like, when did you first sleep together? [SPEAKER_01]: They were like after I think Jesse asked way before Andy because just just wants to know what do you have sex? [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like after the statement, like we stepped together, which is vague, after the statement, technically like do you mean when you crafted the statement, when you release the statement?

[SPEAKER_01]: When you, what is it? [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's just not, yes or no or exact, do not really answering. [SPEAKER_00]: It was two parts because she jumped in before West could say anything because I want to get the story out that I want you to fuck it up. [SPEAKER_00]: Then she said, well, it was after you made the statement, not that night, but some time I'm like, okay, well, then why is that important to say it's after the statement?

[SPEAKER_00]: If it wasn't because the the visual you put in my mind is y'all crafted the statement and as soon as it was done, he put it in. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that is the way that it sounds when you say after the statement. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you hear enter it? [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you can enter me now.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's hovering above it, and then once they had sent she as lovers herself, it's the way that I imagine this. [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite parts of the reunion was when Sierra brought out her phone and read through the text, because that was very important. [SPEAKER_01]: And she read it verbatim, shout out to the producers, they gave us captions to sing along with, to win along with.

[SPEAKER_01]: All those missing was the bouncy ball. [SPEAKER_01]: to just keep going over each word, that she was immediately in and it was great. [SPEAKER_01]: Because she was just like, so I'm asking her, well, space, she's like, no, nothing happened. [SPEAKER_01]: The media is just on me. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then she's like, so you're saying that you've never made out, you've never kissed, you've never had sex with, you've never, and what she said was correct. [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, of course I would never. [SPEAKER_01]: It was correct. [SPEAKER_01]: This is what someone says, oh, what's your favorite meal?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it pizza or is it ice cream, you're like, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and and crucially two things number one she even said ever like held hands under the table, which to me It's a little bit of a nod to the whole thing that happened with a man-day and Craig holding hands under the table right next to page Second part about this is I really wish Amanda was the kind of woman who used a lot of emojis because I wanted to see her read this Messianingo hard-easy emoji crazy candy emoji.

[SPEAKER_00]: I roll emoji. [SPEAKER_00]: I know what [SPEAKER_00]: are included, but this was fantastic. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so happy we got this part of the reunion. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and earlier, Amanda had said, like, oh, everything was PG-1 and it's almost like, what is PG? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is the PG?

[SPEAKER_01]: But then after Sierra meets the text and then she goes, 100% I lied. [SPEAKER_01]: So what would you say? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm up your lying ball. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just lying and saying all kind of shit. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what did we do in? [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I just, this is just something else, like, it's just, oh, no, but yeah, so that's what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's their, um, their timeline that they were so focused on, you know, letting us know. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Sierra is like, you guys were discuss your details before I put them in the ground and cover dirt. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean there was like you know so much more Amanda is like saying like you're telling me like No and has ever been through this ever in their life and Liz is like in high school when I've heard he's like what the heck is going on?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've never done this. [SPEAKER_00]: I have never gotten with my with my good friends X No, I've never done this so [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's that in terms of like that because that took a whole great portion of the first and then I'm glad that they pivoted because again, there's many other like you know storylines that are going on, it was a full house.

[SPEAKER_01]: This summer we glad we got to talk about me. [SPEAKER_01]: I've told you guys how I really resonated with her story this summer. [SPEAKER_01]: She talked about it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also glad that me as single because my friend was not it. [SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to do. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I found it so funny when they asked you, are you dating? [SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, no, I'm not dating. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to discover myself. [SPEAKER_01]: And Mia pointedly and classily and seamlessly just says, I just think it's unhealthy to go from one serious relationship to another, cue the camera, pan to a man's face.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right on the face. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking on her face. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that. [SPEAKER_00]: I also, I'm sure we're going to get to but Kudos to Bailey for coming at Ben for a second here. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we're going to get to Ben for a second here. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to get that. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm talking about Carl, I like hearing Carl talking about his sober journey. [SPEAKER_01]: I say this all the time, I don't think they really understand and respect and not respect. [SPEAKER_01]: Then put it that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they just don't understand how difficult it is because the whole thing about him and Bailey looks like they're just friends and he does mention he's like the thing is under the sober journey when you're dating while sober, it's completely different. [SPEAKER_01]: The whole time I was a footballer, I was on sub-sansit, like it wasn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to feel anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to know anything now. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to know myself why I'm in dating. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to understand this other people's feelings and it's just a little uncomfortable and it's a lot and I just don't give that to being dating wall sober.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be really, really comfortable with the person. [SPEAKER_01]: which also gives some insight as to why he dated Lindsay because he probably don't see with her because of their friendship. [SPEAKER_01]: But again, these are things like, I don't know what that feels like and it's like, you know, a thing that he has to face his entire life.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I just really appreciate, you know, when he shares about that and I like that part. [SPEAKER_01]: And then speaking of Bailey, we talk about the whole thing, the comment about Amanda. [SPEAKER_01]: I noticed that she was sitting, she's sitting by Ben, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like back in him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, maybe they'll dress, she doesn't want to have like a nips loop or something, but maybe she was just mad. [SPEAKER_01]: And then she goes in on. [SPEAKER_01]: Then, and it's just like, you know, your terrible person, you have anger, issue you talk to women, differently, like you don't talk to men, the same way that you talk to women, like even when you talk to Kyle after he other his wife, you look like you want to make out with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was a hard statement. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was not a big thing because listen yes everyone was saying like oh he took off his hat and it looked like it was about to make out of him Yes, but it was like his friend was crying. [SPEAKER_01]: He was consoling his friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: What has that got to do with anything to be like All we just want to make out with him. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't yell at him or will yell at the guys But I don't know the the guys do anything to him [SPEAKER_01]: to be mad um I'm trying to think if anybody said if any of the guys said anything about him and Sabrina uh it wasn't because I don't think example was Kyle yelling at Amanda which was wrong absolutely yeah but I don't know if my friend came to me like and they were doing something in their crying I and that moment I'm not gonna be like well you yell a wife you didn't like you can still like give your friend tough love but in that moment that they needed you [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna give you a hug.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So to use that and be okay with that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and say that. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, everything was crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: So now she's saying like the way that you talk to women, let's even from the beginning, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's been like stern. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mean to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like it's just like, yes, he grew up in like a, it's just like a Christian household that we like. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his dad is not a fast worker. [SPEAKER_01]: Even Jericho, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And he grew up that. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, when they showed the flashback of him talking to Sabrina and being exasperated, [SPEAKER_01]: When you're a ratio boy, like he's with someone who's like, Lada, time is just a construct.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to show up when and he's an excuse. [SPEAKER_01]: He's told me so far. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but if we're not cameras 24 seven, right, following us and saying all things, you know, we'll catch at some point. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I would tell him, I was going to get the trash out now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't what does mean? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe it's just like he was one day that he caught me. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, could he have a pattern? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not excusing Ben. [SPEAKER_01]: Did he protest too much when the comment was made a little bit? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was kind of weird that when he was talking about a man that he started with a looks.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he said it was a birthday. [SPEAKER_01]: He was trying to, you know, upper up and all that stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: But I can understand being uncomfortable like I don't want mostly because yes, he was dating Sabrina. [SPEAKER_01]: We all know that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what this is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you to think like I'm trying to sleep with her, like, you know, I don't want that on my name, because if you remember my not conversation, because some things get lost, he did say, is it something I'm doing that's giving off the vibe because if it is, I want to stop. [SPEAKER_01]: So tell me what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's something that's important to him because on the flip side where some people are able to kiss their friends, even though they're married on the lips and do stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: That is just like, I don't play that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be associated with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think she could have made her point, but it felt like a moment. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to moment. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she I think I think she okay she enjoys being on the show and I think she sees there is at opening for some turn over here and some new long time members of this cast for as long as a show is going to last for [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she does not want to be like Levi who did not get invited out with the whole rest of the cast at the start.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but so did he. [SPEAKER_00]: And so she's like, I got to have a thing here. [SPEAKER_00]: My thing could have been Carl. [SPEAKER_00]: He's incapable of that. [SPEAKER_01]: But it can't be Carl. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So I got to have I got to have something that will anchor me to come back, especially if Ben comes back next season.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is something that I can start that will carry over the next season. [SPEAKER_00]: I do always find it odd. [SPEAKER_00]: when there's a man who only has beef with women, who doesn't, there's men and women around, we only ever see you fight with the women and never with the men, because me, that says either you're only comfortable getting angry at women, because you don't feel threatened or, or it means that you excuse everything guy, nothing a guy does can ever bother you, but women do bother you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is weird to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciate her just trying to start some shit because but Levi didn't do, which is why we're never gonna see Levi again. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's also going to be like, is Bailey's imaginary friend. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I like that she went for something.

[SPEAKER_00]: She took a big swing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, that's fair, you know, what you're saying because it's like you always cool, cool, common collected when he comes to the guys and then when he comes to the women all of a sudden, you remember how to chastise. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was just a way that she did it because the other example also was Amanda, which I don't know, that was weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are you telling my girlfriend that? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would have came in from next to that. [SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: So don't remember so you can refresh my memory like I don't did he yell on a man I don't I thought it was a conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think he yelled at her I think it was more along the lines of like why did you say that weird shit you said like why would you do that?

[SPEAKER_01]: He pulled her inside. [SPEAKER_01]: They had a conversation by the fire and it was like, oh, what are you like, Bailey's, I understand. [SPEAKER_01]: I can see how she took it, but you know, I just always get turned off when a white woman is called to accountability and then the step crying.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, okay, so where do we go from here because on the way? [SPEAKER_01]: only cry you're so mean and stuff but I do know that yes and that conversation he was very like rigid and very like strict so that I can see but the one with Amanda, unless I'm forgetting I thought it was, you know, their friends, they skinny did it, I whatever, I don't know and I thought it was just a simple conversation but maybe I forgot.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was, it's odd to me that he wasn't more mad at her because after that her confessional was, no, he tried to have sex with me and there's a whole group chat where he wanted to have sex with me and I'm just like, bring that shit up, Ben. [SPEAKER_00]: What was that about, man? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, memories of Luke back in the day, but that's not to say because, you know, when Bailey brings up the whole girlfriend thing, I think, was this here that said, like, these men, they just come in here lying about their status.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm not saying that Ben doesn't have his shitty ways, like the timeline with Sabrina absolutely falls. [SPEAKER_01]: They were together or whatever was going. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just, it was her creating a moment and just like, [SPEAKER_01]: annihilating. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the where she's just like a Natalie.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, you're like, yeah, I have a point, but let's yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But she was me again. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not looking at it as you were. [SPEAKER_01]: It's true. [SPEAKER_01]: If I have to secure my spot in the in the raised in the school or what is it? [SPEAKER_01]: Mother Hubbard.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's just like, you got to, you know, you got to step it out if you got to do something. [SPEAKER_01]: And this was the moment. [SPEAKER_01]: So I can appreciate that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sleeping at a guy's house in a bed with a guy. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can get brought back. [SPEAKER_00]: He's been looking so taken aback.

[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't even know what to do back. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, okay, sure. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm talking a lot of that. [SPEAKER_01]: She's having her mom and I was like, you have a picture up there. [SPEAKER_01]: And you were like in June and the producer's put a picture.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it broke. [SPEAKER_01]: Not June. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh gosh. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, you're fighting and you want to walk away. [SPEAKER_01]: You want to slam the door and Jordan's open. [SPEAKER_01]: And we just like weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: What does it have?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, slowly closes for you. [SPEAKER_00]: It's unfortunate. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we'll see, but I don't know I do find Bailey awkward. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like not like her, but I do think she's awkward I do think the whole thing she was obsessed with then Yeah, she was like, you know, I don't know what she says like he was a joke I don't know there was a little part of it that was like I'm not getting attention from this man And even joking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Miss ma'am. [SPEAKER_01]: You just kidding there's summer [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was flying to say there was no jealousy there. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was you were in your feelings that this man that you like does not look at you like that at all Yeah, you can't flirt so it's your fault. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean if you got better at this, maybe he would yeah [SPEAKER_01]: They bring out Levi and I'm just, no, Levi hasn't come out at this point because I was going to mention that they put Levi besides KJ and Levi has been talking to smack about how Derr is out here for cloud and I think they have to bring that up because Lindsay said that, I think Bailey has said that and that's another thing for me with Bailey.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, what is the thing against Derr? [SPEAKER_01]: Is it because Ben liked it and not like, what is this grape? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't like it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it at all and someone needs to give [SPEAKER_01]: you know. [SPEAKER_00]: I like her more than Sabrina.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's weird that they have beef with her and not Sabrina. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry

[SPEAKER_01]: BPD, borderline person on this order, yeah, I'm sorry, borderline personality disorder and, you know, he learned a lot about himself, Sierra and Mia were there for him, they came almost every day and those are his sisters for life and [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: This show is basically perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like we got mess. [SPEAKER_01]: We got a moment. [SPEAKER_01]: We've bailing that kind of mess. [SPEAKER_01]: We get them always on camera. [SPEAKER_01]: And we also get the real life stuff because you know me and talk about her mom. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have KJ talking about this and we have Carl talking about his sober journey.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just. [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I'll say one last thing on it. [SPEAKER_00]: If anybody thinks there is here for Clout. [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that she stayed with this man through self-harm hospitalization, he said he went to treatment for like three months or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like no, she's not here for Clout, y'all. [SPEAKER_00]: Like she, it'd be really, she's all in the show for a season already. [SPEAKER_00]: She got her Clout from being on the show for this summer. [SPEAKER_00]: So if she was only here for that, she would have easily been able to bounce and be like, I got what I need to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out. [SPEAKER_00]: She's still with this dude. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they get off her dick. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's doing the right thing by this man. [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like an influencer already. [SPEAKER_01]: She already had a phone. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she had a bear on the hand.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I came on here and I think what's so annoying is like, if they do break up, everyone's going to be like, I knew it, but no, people break up. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not being anything like it's just. [SPEAKER_00]: However, I don't like you. [SPEAKER_00]: I like her a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yes, so I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, I want KJ on the show. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if being on the show helps. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a, Like ghost and he's on, you know, he's getting treated. [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be easier for him now. [SPEAKER_00]: The only other person I know who has BPD on reality TV is Amber Portwood.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see how that went. [SPEAKER_00]: So like, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe maybe others I just don't know about but it's that team one guys team Yeah, it is team Coming to you live from Instagram all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so hopefully he gets to a point where he knows what's best for him and he does, you know, what's best for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think the other thing I can't remember what his diagnosis was, but I think Michaela, I just remembered him the other day from Southern Hospitality from the first season and he stepped away for his mental health because I was just like, wait, I thought I saw him at the white party from the last episode and I was like, oh, what happened to me?

[SPEAKER_01]: He was here. [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot all about him. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he, um, [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it's Michele, not Michael, but I think it's- No, it is, it's Michele, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Michele, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And he stepped away for his mental health. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like, you know, knowing what's best for you, either way.

[SPEAKER_01]: We love you, can't you? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, kind of just that saying. [SPEAKER_01]: Then you talk about the house. [SPEAKER_01]: I like that Mia gave Sierra her props. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's not easy, you know, you know, with the house, and everything that's happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: And college just asks us, like, are you like bread crumbing us? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: And what this is happening because [SPEAKER_01]: for those who don't know Amanda and her social media when she's doing her photo dump. [SPEAKER_01]: She puts like CRSA and call me back, call me back, and her just not calling her back, I guess?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fucked up. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is so weird. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Sarah says, yeah, you know what? [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point. [SPEAKER_01]: Because this is the best kind of revenge at this point Amanda is big match has not said a word.

[SPEAKER_01]: She is just sitting there, stoic and just staring in there. [SPEAKER_01]: She shut down and [SPEAKER_01]: West I think is one who claims that, you know, he kept it at friends, but then it got romantic because I think Andy asked how did it start and he was like, hey, he looked, we went out, I looked at her, I was like, am I crazy?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is there something? [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't say that shit, don't say that shit all you want, think it all you like, don't say that shit. [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't ask about the whole kissing, like if anything was like, what was he, he gave like a long, it's not a rant.

[SPEAKER_01]: He gave an explanation to himself about why he was being intentional about Sierra, he wasn't trying to get back to her, but then Mia and Sierra bring up like, oh, no, but you two have been like, we're magic, we have chemistry, we have that. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what was pissing Amanda off, but [SPEAKER_01]: That's just, yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, more authentic and he helped it and he tried not, and he's like, so how did you try? [SPEAKER_01]: How are you intentional? [SPEAKER_01]: I tried to keep the romantic out of it, but well, I mean, I slipped up, you know, after everyone we kissed. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, where's you now making silence?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is probably why he doesn't talk, because it's just not. [SPEAKER_00]: We're hurt a little bit, so he's with his words. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We're hurt a little bit. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just the fact that, you know, Mia points out like, you know, you had sleepovers.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to make it seem like he was one and see how I was like, it was two by the way. [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to sleepovers. [SPEAKER_01]: Is it like, did you have sex? [SPEAKER_00]: Am I missing or they had to have? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't, I, it's been a long time since I was single.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the last time. [SPEAKER_00]: that I slept over or had a girl sleep over that I had had a physical and romantic relationship with and we just like watched TV and then went to bed in my different beds or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a thing people do. [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't assume they were having sex on these sleepovers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they kept saying sleepovers. [SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like if they don't have sex, then you just say it like they feel like Sierra would be like, or we had sex. [SPEAKER_01]: And I did, did you tell you that? [SPEAKER_01]: Did you move that? [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that you just kept saying sleepovers, that's a part that confused me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like, okay, so what does that mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm also confused. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, which Andy would have asked specifically what were these sleepovers about what happened there? [SPEAKER_00]: Or Lindsey for that matter? [SPEAKER_00]: Because she's nosey as shit. [SPEAKER_00]: She could have asked.

[SPEAKER_01]: Lindsey was trying to, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: what's the called? [SPEAKER_01]: We need to jump rope. [SPEAKER_01]: The jump rope is just trying to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, where can I, where can I get in? [SPEAKER_01]: And then she did. [SPEAKER_01]: She gave the assist. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just like, you're just like a clutch chaser.

[SPEAKER_01]: You like to climb the ladder. [SPEAKER_01]: And once you realize it's not giving you what you need, they leave them. [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to do the same thing to Amanda. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're going to [SPEAKER_01]: And then Sierra's just like, you know what, I do actually think they deserve each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, a man there is that weak figure that he needs is not going to check him. [SPEAKER_01]: She's going to let him do whatever he wants and let him be the star. [SPEAKER_01]: And then again, I mean, there's already tearing up and Carlos like, uh, that was harsh. [SPEAKER_01]: And Sierra's like, that's your wife, not mine.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see your wife. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a man hit dog going holler. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she feels back. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that that she knows that about herself? [SPEAKER_00]: It's painful to hear the truth about you set out loud from somebody else. [SPEAKER_00]: She knows that's what's going on here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they hear it verbalized that that blew her whole psyche apart like she's collapsing internally at this moment. [SPEAKER_01]: I know, but she's gearing up to be like the victim. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh my god, I don't deserve that. [SPEAKER_01]: I just not like I killed somebody and everyone's just being rude to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to take it and blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_00]: This might be where she storms off. [SPEAKER_00]: When everyone's like, hey, Wes, we're good to know. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this might be happening. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this could be that. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot to mention that, you know, what's had the audacity when they kissed to say, like, it was just ear stuff?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay? [SPEAKER_01]: Right? [SPEAKER_01]: The fuck are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay? [SPEAKER_01]: The whole, whole cast is like, what is ear stuff? [SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean? [SPEAKER_01]: This man is not, oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: You suck. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was it. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I said I was going to do highlights. [SPEAKER_01]: And here we are. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be too slow. [UNKNOWN]: It's been a long time. [SPEAKER_01]: And just, you know, it was good. [SPEAKER_01]: I just really thought like it was going to be like, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, overhyped, but no, it gave every single part of the last thing we didn't talk about it. [SPEAKER_00]: But this was good. [SPEAKER_00]: Was when Lindsey made her carol soft bar hard bar joke and then Kyle stole it and then she's like, give me credit goddamn it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was my line first.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good line. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you made me sing Carl the new than to make him hard bar. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, all right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, I like it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's good line. [SPEAKER_01]: It was. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so it'll be part two in part three. [SPEAKER_01]: The next time we do plaque bill will coincide with part three, so then we'll talk about it at that point.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll take a break now and come back to talk about plaque bill. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: We are back to talk about, welcome to Pat Fiddles. [SPEAKER_01]: This is an eight episodes eight and nine. [SPEAKER_01]: I got to tell you guys, episode nine was probably the worst episode so far this season.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a doozy. [SPEAKER_01]: It should have been so boring. [SPEAKER_01]: Like nothing happened. [SPEAKER_01]: These people were grasping for straws and what to do and they're making weird choices. [SPEAKER_01]: Like we just, oh, we were on time and that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I wasn't expecting that to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not getting any full thing [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see that so I don't understand what's happening, but they need to get their shit together because or you know maybe or else it's all working but going back to episode eight I'm just glad to see that Lydia seemingly well has a seemingly normal best friend Mariah [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, it's nice and for perspective and she's the one who asked the question that, you know, let me try to find a way to ask, but it will be weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's not weird if you assist her ask, but it looks like Mariah and Lydia are not, I don't know, as close as they they don't seem that close to her now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know, Mariah just like they're out at a coffee shop and like oh, I know you wanted to wait until you were ready Which Honestly if they hadn't kissed it made sense, but she also she did not wait.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess Mariah was sharing with us that she didn't But then she asked her about Sex and intimacy as Lydia decides to bite into a banana and her confessional. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, uh bite the entire banana Inhale the entire banana [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, um, I think I said that wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: I think what Lydia was saying was like, when they decided to wait to kiss until then, like after they were wedding, I think Zach had mentioned like we didn't wait, they don't need to rush into anything or continue she can't have to go for them to have sex and then she's like, yeah, we did not wait.

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was like, if you want to take a few days or weeks, just like make out and enjoy making out, we can do that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm picturing this as that scene from Anchorman, where he's like fully erect, trying to have a conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: We're just like, hey, we don't have to do any figure.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, you have a massive erection. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are you talking about? [SPEAKER_01]: Teagan is recounting their relationship, and this is part of what makes the episode kind of boring is like we've heard time and time and time again about, you know, their relationship.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just sounds miserable, everything like she says about the relationship, but it's crazy because we watch them say, this is my forever person, this person is great, this is good. [SPEAKER_01]: And Teagan, like we said last time, she's so monotone. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I, I, I, I. [SPEAKER_01]: Always have I done it on my here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like maybe this is just extra income that she's like I can suck it up and I could do this, but It's just Ethan came over and then she did it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not trying it and then that's it We got we got a half word talk to West's shower provider and get her a little baggy of shower Stop you're gonna go to energy drink you in there [SPEAKER_01]: she does say that he left her physically and emotionally.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we go back to Montana and watching Maria on those rocks, my heart was in my throat. [SPEAKER_01]: I was terrified. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, what if you're intrusive thoughts are just like, listen, you stand in a balcony, high up and you're like, what if?

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you just lay up there, it looks so scary. [SPEAKER_00]: Intrusive thoughts are not. [SPEAKER_00]: A swift breeze could blow her down. [SPEAKER_00]: She weighs 38 pounds, like a wrong step and she's airborne. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but thankfully she seems she was fine. [SPEAKER_01]: And that seems she was fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was just, thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: He's very to watch. [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't hilarious seeing the black tape on her, on her hat to cover the bread because I'm like, how about we just take it off or get her a hat? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, just a tape on there to take you pictures, stop it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Backward, so we don't see it in your confession. [SPEAKER_00]: Do something. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: It was just interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: From nowhere, I just decided, like, you know, I would be okay moving over here. [SPEAKER_01]: Kaling is like, uh, wet, that I care for life, baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what did you say to me? [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I didn't notice in that episode that Isaac has restless feet. [SPEAKER_01]: So in the confessional, it's just bouncing. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a it rivals that a chef from southern charm. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a king of restless feet like just always nothing for ever in the previews.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have seen where Ken is talking to Kim about how wait and this is another moment where I'm like, I can not believe Right, sir Ken is talking to Kim about her wait. [SPEAKER_01]: This is [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, look, he was in the health angle as if he was a wilder, because as he's talking, he sounds out of breath.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, well, he sounds out of breath. [SPEAKER_00]: He looks like shave 90 day fiance. [SPEAKER_00]: You're in bad health yourself. [SPEAKER_00]: But the way that he talks about it is like Kim, you need to understand. [SPEAKER_00]: You are on death's door right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're gonna die really soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I don't think she's dying right now. [SPEAKER_00]: This is not a my 600 pound life situation. [SPEAKER_01]: it's unfortunate, but it was just, and it spent a lot of time just on there. [SPEAKER_01]: And then [SPEAKER_01]: her motivation to exercise I mean she might have slipped up on this is based on his attraction to her like well if he doesn't seem to be attracted then I'm not motivated to exercise and I'm like what is this and I think the funny part he appears to be a deadbie dad because his daughter came up with something this week and was like watching this when he's not even and then I think we can come in on him when Kim was [SPEAKER_01]: Delusionally talking about getting pregnant and having a kid and he was like that'll be fine And she's like so hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna take care because he said something like I'll take care of the kid Just like my other kids and he's like okay, meaning like you're not gonna do anything because you don't have to us You're not in contact with us Well, yeah, it was whole conversation was bad because even to the point that he was like [SPEAKER_00]: I, whether the amount of weight you lose is commensurate to how serious you are about a relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you can't tell somebody that. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't tell somebody if you don't lose weight, it means you're not serious about our relationship. [SPEAKER_00]: What's fucked up, man? [SPEAKER_01]: I just, it wouldn't have been to get out to me now because I think Kim said that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kim is an ultimate element. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you [SPEAKER_01]: This is all weird. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is what this show is grasping as straws at this point because we need more stupid. [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not supposed to believe that Ken is giving an ultimatum.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like right now. [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to help your needs to get out of it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go ahead and die at early death, but you need to get in shape. [SPEAKER_00]: I hope position to take. [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not going to do it, do it for your kids. [SPEAKER_01]: I like it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a kid about those kids anyway. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is all of them. [SPEAKER_00]: This is all of them. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I was thinking, can you in? [SPEAKER_01]: Can you? [SPEAKER_01]: They're not messing with us. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the ones who you're trying to find out because it's like, they don't kiss on camera.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what happens, but it's like, he makes these jokes because he made a joke about their drinking hot cocoa and there was whipped cream and he's like, oh, why'd you put that much? [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you would save it and use it tonight and use it later and I'm like, what? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_01]: She make it a cake. [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_01]: And then later on when they played a weird awkward game of horse and comedy and they're like, oh, I ride the cowboy and they're laughing. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I don't know with this, too. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do they share a room in Montana? [SPEAKER_00]: They did not share a Montana. [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't? [SPEAKER_00]: No, they were in different rooms in Montana. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm starting to not care anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: You're boring me. [SPEAKER_00]: You're pissing me off.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just fucking camera. [SPEAKER_00]: Never fucking again. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, at some point, um, Tim, it was making her way to Wisconsin to be with Ethan, because I guess he was alone Christmas. [SPEAKER_01]: He thought he was going to be there for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why he didn't go spend it with his family. [SPEAKER_01]: But good. [SPEAKER_01]: He's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: But there you go. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't come inside, but I think you have to go play with foil on top. [SPEAKER_00]: You take this to your car where you live, you eat it in the car. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think? [SPEAKER_01]: You know, please don't get a girl, you're with your family. [SPEAKER_01]: You're not dating to your team.

[SPEAKER_01]: It has no interest in you. [SPEAKER_01]: Being around the family and the sisters, you wanted to stay with till they were 18, and make sure they were okay. [SPEAKER_01]: You've spent time with them for Christmas. [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing makes sense. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: He's in a situation where, I don't know, I guess he's his mommy and his mommy's coming down bringing some things for his house.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Kim is talking about it like, oh, I don't know much about the relationship. [SPEAKER_01]: I know T again. [SPEAKER_01]: They're starting over. [SPEAKER_01]: She's, you know, taking her time. [SPEAKER_01]: Then she says something. [SPEAKER_01]: She says it's got to be hard that Ethan did whatever he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like [SPEAKER_01]: That's not her anything because again, if you're here for the first time, the rumor is that Ethan cheated on her with a friend of her. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So seems like Kim knows about that. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she doesn't know according to her. [SPEAKER_01]: So she drive two days to be with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess they don't like planes or something. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: All that cargo she had to bring. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't love a warm drive. [SPEAKER_00]: But in the Midwest, everything is far apart from each other. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't make a problem like a five hour drive.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I had to stop in the middle of the drive again the next day, I might not have as too far. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she don't for two days by herself. [SPEAKER_01]: And she gets there. [SPEAKER_01]: She's trying to make conversation with Ethan and watching her try to have a conversation with him was like pooling tea.

[SPEAKER_01]: That man. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't talk. [SPEAKER_01]: He'll know you walk away while she's talking. [SPEAKER_01]: She makes a face at the camera. [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I mean, [SPEAKER_01]: and I try, like, I don't know what to say. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so weird to understand, I'm still trying to get a grasp on the dynamic of Kim with her kids, where it's like, are they speaking?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are they not? [SPEAKER_01]: Are they close? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, at least with Ethan, I don't know, because close enough to tell her to bring down stuff, but he's not, he can't bite it in her. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, in terms of the whole thing we teach and she gave them advice, but he also said like I don't want to say anything because she's going to tell another family member and then everyone's going to know, but then the question is which family member is she going to tell.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good question. [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't really talk to any of them. [SPEAKER_00]: Can't be the case. [SPEAKER_00]: I hope it's not the kids. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be buried. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, she and Mariah don't get along, she and Lydia are, I have no idea who she would tell.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no body that makes it. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, honestly, it might be the, who's the younger kid that's in between, that's 16? [SPEAKER_01]: The one right after Lydia? [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: After I say. [SPEAKER_00]: Cast. [SPEAKER_00]: No, you can ask you the oldest one.

[SPEAKER_01]: We like her, but I forget her name at this point. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Grace is one of them grace. [SPEAKER_01]: One of them was just sitting on the canvas. [SPEAKER_01]: She thought her spoke up against Veronica, which was like, I don't know why you talking about my family.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just call those three kids. [SPEAKER_00]: You redo me and Louie. [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea which one is which. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't remember her name, but maybe her, but she shouldn't tell her, but that's about it. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not really a video, so I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I certainly can go and go hang out with Lydia and Zach to make them feel welcome.

[SPEAKER_01]: Isaac is like I just want to put everything behind us and just, you know, go hang. [SPEAKER_01]: And he made a comment because Lydia says like, oh, I went to Montana and then we just get to steal photo stills and then that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, wait, that is not where they are being filmed and put into the show for us to see the relationship between Mariah and Lydia and how it is now how she feels after the wedding.

[SPEAKER_01]: The answer. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes a comment like if they're upset that they were not invited, it's not me. [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't invited, so it wasn't me thing. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, okay, so Ethan is someone. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I lean more toward Ethan than Mariah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So they played his games and it was just... [SPEAKER_00]: It's a waste of our time. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a waste of our time.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of awkwardness, a lot of giggling because again, you know, the path and the people associated with them are childlike and they're laughing and someone asks you what the crazy thing you've ever done and it only has to be family friendly and it was climbing mountains or something like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Swimming in a lake full of gators. [SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to get at least. [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that came out of this is that at some point in time, Zach put Lydia through the mattress. [SPEAKER_00]: because they didn't broke the bad fucking on it. [SPEAKER_00]: So like we found out that happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he put her through. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think their bed was weak and it just happened to me. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they made it like a whole thing. [SPEAKER_01]: The support being just was not put it right and then he broke and apparently Zach cannot fix that and they had to call Isaac to fix their bed and I'm just everything about it was just, I don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: I choose to believe it was from acrobatic, performative love making. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's, I had can, I'm pleased to. [SPEAKER_01]: It could have been that, but also because the bed was not done right. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not because it was like a prowess thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think does hint that, listen, I don't have any ill-will to what's them, but there is work to do in this room for improvement. [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a downfall of this family. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone keeps talking in riddles and it's like, what is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, before it blows over, like, what are we, you know, talking about? [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: We find out in the preview. [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of think. [SPEAKER_01]: But as of this time, I'm just like, okay, what is the room for improvement? [SPEAKER_01]: You're coming to hang out.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is the thing? [SPEAKER_01]: Because... [SPEAKER_01]: yeah we don't know um taking comes over to see Ethan's house and again I'm over it you don't want to be with this man you don't like it but you're excited to see his house but then you're coming over and it's just can we make brownies this make brownies am I excited to see what are we doing well number one drink every time he passes of aggressively says interesting [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, the only thing that came out of this is we found out that he's been living there for weeks has not contacted her has not called has not texted has not asked her to hang out And she's like you physically being here doesn't matter You're not doing anything and it's the same way she felt before where it's like If we see each other, it's on me to plan it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's on me to get everything going like I don't want that relationship. [SPEAKER_00]: So he's he's fucking up even though he thinks he's doing the right thing right now [SPEAKER_01]: He said, like, he doesn't call her as she was just in the, and basically making no effort. [SPEAKER_01]: But on the flip side, I'm like, when she doesn't want it, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: She said they were friends. [SPEAKER_01]: And if you tell me, if anything is going to literally, be literal about it and be like, well, she told me she wants to space. [SPEAKER_01]: So I just, that's why I'm saying I don't know what they're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, you want to just be friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you want him to make an effort? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe she does because when he says, come over to my house, she does. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if it's like, she's on the call. [SPEAKER_01]: She and she has to do her job or she actually just wants [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that she did not show up in pyjama pants and she put on makeup and did her hair this time is like okay, but she's doing something she's sending some kind of a message because before she came over as though she had just a lot of bad so like something is different about this time but I don't think she likes him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she wants to spend time with him so I don't [SPEAKER_00]: It's all just very confusing and dumb is the best way to put it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's confusing and dumb. [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't play with a lip gloss. [SPEAKER_01]: Those are always particularly lined and put on. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know why I'm man that is handsy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean handsy in that way. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's good with his hands. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he builds stuff, he creates things handy. [SPEAKER_01]: They can go, oh, so I want to say handsy. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: A man that is handy not have a bed at the very least.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have a couch, we don't have a bed. [SPEAKER_01]: They're like all these like, look like Spider-Man blankets on the floor. [SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't be. [SPEAKER_00]: He's got like three sleeping bags, two of them piled and tucked each other for a mattress and one that he gets inside of.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, man, you can't, you can't invite a woman over to your house if this is how you live. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is not, this is gonna run her away. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um. [SPEAKER_01]: Kim and Tina are talking. [SPEAKER_01]: Ethan says, oh, because then I'm to talk.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the producer is like, talk about what? [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, I don't know girl talk. [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it is that they talk about. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, for what though, Kim is just wanting to find out, he has her just friends. [SPEAKER_01]: You guys are just friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, they're just friends. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know what else you want. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh, being friends is okay. [SPEAKER_01]: You build a foundation. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's pointless, but Kim's take away is that Ethan is unique and he will take a unique person to settle down and enjoy him and I'm like, well, you made him unique, so.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who's fault is that, Kim? [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we were getting away with it, but no we're not. [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, we see Plath Daddy. [SPEAKER_01]: This weirdo is hanging upside down and you can't put Zach saying that it's good to have blood come all the way to your face, asking Zach is his face red enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have an inversion table. [SPEAKER_00]: It's really good for your back. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think about what the blood is doing. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm on it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like I'm I'm strengthening out my spine. [SPEAKER_00]: It's nice to get you know some pops out, but it's not I don't know what the fuck he was talking about [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, we find out that Lydia's Aquince and Montana, like we said earlier, but he was talking about that that it was good, but as if this man is not weird enough, he's on a vibrating plate and he's like, oh man, this vibrating is causing my butt to itch, I'm like, this is what they're serving us, you know, you don't wash properly, which is why your butt itch is, don't blame the plate on that, it's not the plate's fault.

[SPEAKER_01]: um okay so they're setting up the storyline i think like we've seen in the previews for Joshua which is um they're sung that died where Kim accidentally uh sounds awful Wrackler uh yeah seven-teen months ago yeah so they're setting that up because Zach is talking to plaque daddy why am I calling that Barry?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you're doing [SPEAKER_01]: very insane like, you know, Lydia once came to call to check in on her more often, usually when she calls is because she wants something like it's not like an emotional [SPEAKER_01]: like relationship. [SPEAKER_01]: And there is like, yeah, she's not emotionally engaged.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, just like Ethan, I wonder where he gets that from. [SPEAKER_01]: And somehow it leads to what will be hard to be emotionally engaged, you know, when something like that happens. [SPEAKER_01]: Joshua happens to someone like it's hard for you to [SPEAKER_01]: be fully engaged, you never fully recover from that, so then I'm like, okay, it looks like they're setting this up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this weirdo there in Osana, and this weirdo is talking about double dating in Osana, in Osana, if you're a daughter, so you want your daughter staying in Osana with you with your date, like a cop. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the tiny sauna. [SPEAKER_00]: If you have a double date and they're the women are on laps, nothing worse than being in a sauna on somebody's lap.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine this is a terrible idea. [SPEAKER_01]: With your daughter. [SPEAKER_00]: It's your daughter. [SPEAKER_01]: We even going nuts. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she will get front his age. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a hate happening to them. [SPEAKER_01]: Guy talk her called Zack. [SPEAKER_01]: Stop it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's up? [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna take her guy to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, man. [SPEAKER_01]: He talks about daily and how he broke it off as a lady because they don't agree about Halloween. [SPEAKER_01]: He wants some of who understands Halloween the way he does. [UNKNOWN]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just have you don't see what he does. [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of weird dealbreakers with this man when he's not gonna wanna be with someone. [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanna remind you, Brian and everyone else, that we have not seen Michael. [SPEAKER_01]: I do not think he's part of his show anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it was not, he's living until it has to, right? [SPEAKER_00]: He's living like in the area still. [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, I'm not doing this again. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm guessing his girlfriend doesn't want to be on camera. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, safe, but we'll see. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a road trip because Lydia is going to visit Ethan and Wisconsin, but again, not worth it for us to see because why should he see that relationship?

[SPEAKER_01]: But she also wants to keep their mom company when they're coming back. [SPEAKER_01]: So they're driving back and it's awkward. [SPEAKER_01]: And came as just, I had five and a play. [SPEAKER_01]: And five and a just songs on my play. [SPEAKER_01]: So I love each of them. [SPEAKER_01]: I never get to listen to all of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, just press play. [SPEAKER_01]: Like whatever you want to see. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just, like, what are you looking for? [SPEAKER_01]: And then she says showing her picture. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're driving. [SPEAKER_01]: How did you pull up this picture and do this? [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's like, you can't find in the backyard.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then she's like, what is this? [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, you know what this is? [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bomb. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, how can someone be so unaware? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's lit, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, my God, it's not Mariah. [SPEAKER_01]: It is lit. [SPEAKER_00]: Lydia's not going to, this is a decorative vase.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is this? [SPEAKER_01]: She's not going to appreciate you. [SPEAKER_01]: She's not going to be, and Linguin' fact says, how do we get on this subject? [SPEAKER_01]: Because for real, why? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll tell you something else. [SPEAKER_00]: Not only are we showing this bomb, we are also talking about different ways you can smoke herb.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can put it in a bomb with some water. [SPEAKER_00]: You can hit that. [SPEAKER_00]: You can roll it up in some paper, like a cigarette. [SPEAKER_00]: They call that a doobie. [SPEAKER_00]: No one calls that a doobie anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how old are you. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just like, my first thought was, [SPEAKER_00]: I know the area that they are driving through.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going from Wisconsin to Georgia, you go through Illinois. [SPEAKER_00]: On the highway in Illinois, there's a billboard for a dispensary every 12 feet. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm wondering if Kim was like, I'ma test the waters here. [SPEAKER_00]: and see if maybe, you know, we have a little mother daughter bonding over some edibles or something in this car or something like that, because you know, Kim's not afraid to drive him here.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like I'm wondering if this was like a, I'm going to see if she's interested at all, and then we can pull over and just do a quick thing beyond that. [SPEAKER_00]: Who the fuck's bomb was this? [SPEAKER_00]: Like who has a bomb left in the barn? [SPEAKER_00]: I know. [SPEAKER_00]: It can't be even.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not relaxed enough. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Moriah, but she would have brought it with the right imagine. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe someone who worked for them or said, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: My point is just like, no, you're audience. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: This was not going to land.

[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, she's like, I smoke pot twice when I was in college and Lydia's like, when I'm glad you stopped. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus is happy you quit doing that mom. [SPEAKER_00]: I would you tell of all of your kids. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the last one to share this news with.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's not gonna like it. [SPEAKER_00]: She's gonna judge you for it now. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna be good. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Lydia is like, I miss Zack and uh, Kim is like, oh, she's like, he has a miss Zack. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's a good therapist. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've talked about this where I feel like Lydia is a tad bit codependent on Zack. [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, she's 22. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she's. [SPEAKER_01]: I should go. [SPEAKER_01]: It's older and she realizes before now. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think like everything is Zach and you know, Zach loves it that way, you know, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Lydia does bring up, you know, not talking like, you know, we're raised. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't talk a lot, but Zach is pretty good at talking and getting me to talk. [SPEAKER_01]: And how they did not bring a Joshua. [SPEAKER_01]: But Kim is like, but Lydia brought it up publicly online.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it felt like she was ripping the band aid open. [SPEAKER_01]: And she already lives with a lot of guilt when he comes to that. [SPEAKER_01]: She feels like Lydia blamed her. [SPEAKER_01]: And Lydia was like, it wasn't like I was trying to blame my mom. [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted him acknowledged.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what's a really tough situation? [SPEAKER_01]: I... [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no place or anyone else to tell someone who's lost their child at their own hands. [SPEAKER_01]: That's tough. [SPEAKER_01]: That is incredibly tough. [SPEAKER_01]: When she can there's a lot of things. [SPEAKER_01]: When she says she has a lot of guilt, I can believe that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how do you even end the journey? [SPEAKER_01]: The fact remains that they lost their life. [SPEAKER_01]: through an action of yours. [SPEAKER_01]: Intentionally, we're not. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And I give her a grace for that. [SPEAKER_01]: And if the way that she cooked really was like, I just don't want to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's tough because, again, for the other people, and I can't remember what episode I was talking about, where, you know, if you talk about, you know, you lose your parents or you lose your child, but then not a lot of people talk about me, you lose your sibling. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a dynamic, there's a completely shifted that how do you deal with that?

[SPEAKER_01]: And there were kids. [SPEAKER_01]: And they had to deal with the fact that we all didn't have any tools, but mommy doesn't want to talk about it, so we just don't talk about it. [SPEAKER_01]: And the damage that that has caused, [SPEAKER_01]: you know, with that. [SPEAKER_01]: So Kim doesn't acknowledge that and he goes to her and is like, you know, it's hard for her to know how much pain that she has caused her other children just by not, you know, talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's sad that Lydia is opening up to the internet and not her and. [SPEAKER_01]: she wants to fix it. [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the last part, I mean, that was some sincerity that we're getting from this show and it's just going to be very tough to navigate. [SPEAKER_01]: I think she can start by actually being arrested in her child's life and not calling just when she needs to fix something.

[SPEAKER_01]: They could make the relationship because when she does that, Lydia is also building a wall because it's like, we're not really bonding. [SPEAKER_01]: We were just here if you need something. [SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that was, that was the episode. [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything that stood out to you?

[SPEAKER_00]: That might be all of it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there was anything else that really jumped out or that's interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was kind of a Law couple episodes, but yeah, hopefully, you know, I usually say we're sitting something up for the last part of the season This didn't even look exactly anything up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll find it where we go, I guess [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many episodes there are, but I'm just going, yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: As it comes up, so we'll see. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, before we head on out, Brian, tell people where they can find you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, I am hosting Maths Virgin, my friend Kim.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are doing the Boston season of Maths right now. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've done three episodes, and we still haven't made it through all the weddings, because Maths used to move slow as shit. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to jump on board there, you can listen to me at Maths Virgin. [SPEAKER_00]: We have a Facebook group, the Maths Virgin fan club.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can follow us on Instagram and Threads at Maths Virgin. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: You can find me and also call MAFS on threads on blue sky and Instagram and X and you can send me message or questions if you have any of those. [SPEAKER_01]: Please leave me a five star rating and I will podcast and Spotify and stay subscribed so you don't miss out on any episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: We cover welcome to Plathville every two weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: So the next two episodes will be into weeks and see you then. [SPEAKER_01]: Bye guys.

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